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Kamala Harris has chosen Minnesota Governor Tim Walz as a running mate.

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What will he bring the ticket?

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And financial markets in Europe and Asia are beginning to rebound after taking a major

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tumble.

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How worried should we be?

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Google is so dominant, Merriam-Webster considers it a verb with a lowercase g, but a judge

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says they grew that status illegally.

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It's a very significant outcome for the Department of Justice, not just for U.S. policy, but

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for global efforts to control big tech.

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What's it mean for the tech giant going forward?

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And Tropical Storm Debbie is hammering the southeastern U.S. with deadly rain and wind.

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Vice President Kamala Harris has chosen Minnesota Governor Tim Walz as her running mate, a source

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familiar to the campaign tells NPR.

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The last-minute decision follows a whirlwind couple of weeks for Harris.

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Here to discuss the choice is NPR's senior political editor and correspondent, Domenico

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Montanaro.

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So, it was a battle between two governors, Walz from Minnesota and then Shapiro from

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Pennsylvania.

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What do you think Walz got the nod to Domenico?

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Well, when people talk about Walz, they look at his personality.

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He's a happy warrior.

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People seem to get along with him.

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They like him quite a lot.

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Certainly Capitol Hill progressives were pushing for him to be the person.

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This was said to be about vibes, and we know that Harris met with the finalists, and it

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seemed that sleeping on it, she got along with Walz and had a good feeling about it

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and picked him.

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Yeah, he's the one that coined the phrase weird, or the viral meme weird in describing

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Donald Trump and J.D. Vance.

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So, tell us about Tim Walz.

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Who is he?

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Well, he's a Minnesota governor.

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He was born and raised in rural Nebraska.

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He's in his second term as Minnesota governor.

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He's the head of the Democratic Governors Association, so there's some thought that

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he has some ability to raise some money, bring some cash to the ticket as well.

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He's a veteran of the Army National Guard.

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And we know he didn't really know Harris very well before these past couple of weeks, but

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impressed her.

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And he does have these connections on Capitol Hill, so he's also kind of a governing pick

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as well.

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And really, as you noted him coining this phrase weird, a lot of this is about messaging.

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He's very good at it, and he's really somebody who two weeks ago was not on the tips of people's

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lips for who could get this job, but clearly talked his way into it with that and with

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his personality.

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Now, you've been analyzing the electoral map and all the possible paths to the presidency

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for Kamala Harris, so what does Tim Walz do for her chances?

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Yeah, this is squarely a blue wall pick.

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Minnesota's not a swing state necessarily, but the hope for Democrats is that he can

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appeal to white, middle-of-the-road voters in places like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,

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which make up that blue wall, and if Harris is able to hold those states, then she would

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very likely win the presidency.

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These are the very voters who are key to really winning in the blue wall.

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Harris and Trump right now tied in these places.

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When I looked at the electoral map this week, Democrats hope that they can provide a contrast

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also with the Trump and J.D. Vance ticket, and it's ironic because Vance was picked to

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try to appeal to these very same voters, but he's had a rough go these first couple weeks,

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and the first rule of being a vice presidential running mate is do no harm, and his, right

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now his favorability rating is not very good.

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Our latest NPR PBS News Marist poll that's out this morning, 55% of independents have

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an unfavorable rating of Vance.

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For Tim Walz, he's far less known.

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71% in our poll said that they don't have an opinion of who he is or are unsure of him,

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and that means these next couple of weeks are going to be big before the Democratic

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Convention, crucial not just to finding him, but in who this new Harris-Walz ticket is.

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Yeah, and you mentioned this week coming up, I mean, it's a whirlwind week, right?

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Starting now.

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Absolutely.

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Big travel week coming up.

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They're going to be hitting all seven of the big states, the three blue wall states we

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mentioned, as well as the four Sunbelt states, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina.

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We're going to be watching to see their dynamic together and with voters, and if he can make

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that appeal outside of just progressives.

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That's NPR's senior political editor and correspondent, Domenico Montanaro.

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Thanks a lot.

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You're welcome.

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Nervous investors will be watching the stock market this morning after a sharp sell-off

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on Monday.

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Yes, the Dow Jones Industrial Average tumbled more than 1,000 points yesterday, while the

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S&P 500 index dropped by 3%.

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Japan's stock market also fell sharply on Monday, but recovered much of that ground

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overnight.

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The market volatility has raised questions about the staying power of the U.S. economy,

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which had been a pillar of global growth since the pandemic.

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NPR's Scott Horsley joins us now.

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Scott, I mentioned that investors are nervous.

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How worried should everyone else be?

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Well, most analysts I've talked to think the stock market is overreacting.

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The economy isn't growing as fast as it had been.

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It's not adding jobs at the pace it was a year or two ago.

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But we're not on the brink of recession, either, which is what you might think if you just

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looked at the stock ticker.

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The unemployment rate rose last month, but not because a lot of people got laid off,

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but rather because a lot of new people came into the job market.

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Now that said, it's possible the market downturn itself could do some damage to the economy.

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For example, economist Kathy Pasciancic of Nationwide says rich people who own a lot

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of stocks might check their portfolios and decide maybe we'll be a little more careful

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with our spending this year.

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It kind of rattles their confidence.

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They could pull back on spending, and that's one way you have that negative feedback.

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The other one is that businesses are concerned about the carnage in the financial markets,

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and therefore that also could curtail business investment.

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Consumer spending and business investment were both pretty strong in the spring.

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GDP grew in the second quarter at a pretty good clip.

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But that could change in the last half of the year if this market route continues.

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Now Japan's stock market also had a terrible day on Monday.

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The Nikkei average suffered its biggest drop since 1987.

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That's a long time ago, before I even graduated high school.

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Scott, so what's going on here?

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Most central banks around the world are looking at cutting interest rates, but Japan's central

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bank raised rates last week.

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That's putting upward pressure on the Japanese currency.

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As a result, some speculators, who had been borrowing at very low interest rates in Japan

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to invest elsewhere, were forced to unload stocks.

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But Schanzig says that was one of several global factors that contributed to yesterday's

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big sell-off.

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Now, with the Bank of Japan raising rates, it means it's no longer as profitable for

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investors to borrow in yen or in Japan.

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But also, I think there is concerns about geopolitical tensions and possible widening

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of war in the Middle East, and also uncertainty about the presidential election.

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Japan's stock market fell more than 12% yesterday, but it bounced back overnight, regaining most

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of that loss.

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The Nikkei average rose more than 10% today.

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So Scott, the Federal Reserve, because all eyes are now going to turn to the Fed, so

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what's the Federal Reserve going to do?

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What are they going to respond to all this?

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Well, the Fed is certainly keeping an eye on the market, not because it's overly worried

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about stock prices, but because it wants to make sure the financial system is functioning

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smoothly.

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The Fed did not cut interest rates when it met last week.

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Some now see that as a missed opportunity.

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And expectations are that the Fed will cut rates at its next meeting in September.

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Before that, though, Fed Chairman Jerome Powell is set to speak later this month at the annual

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economic conference in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.

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That is always an event with high altitude and high expectations.

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And this week's market turbulence will just put an even brighter spotlight on the talking

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heads in the Tetons.

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NPR's Scott Horsley.

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Thanks a lot, Scott.

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You're welcome.

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The Justice Department won a historic victory against Google in an antitrust lawsuit.

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A federal judge ruled that Google acted illegally to ensure the company dominated the search

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engine market.

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NPR's tech correspondent, Derek Kerr, is here to talk about how monumental this decision

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is and what it could mean for the future of Google.

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Derek, sounds like a big loss for Google.

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Tell us more about the judge's ruling.

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Yeah, it was a big blow.

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So this is the first major antitrust lawsuit against a tech company to go to trial in decades.

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If you remember, the last one was against Microsoft in the 1990s, and the government

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won that case.

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So for this Google case, the Justice Department used Microsoft as a template, and it worked.

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In his nearly 300-page ruling, Judge Amit Mehta straight out called Google a monopolist.

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And he said it acted illegally to make sure it stayed a monopoly.

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He noted in his ruling how Google was once a scrappy startup founded by two Stanford

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students in a rented garage, and now has become one of the world's most valuable companies.

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And he suggested that dominance wasn't by accident.

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When I called up former chair of the Federal Trade Commission, Bill Kovacic, he could not

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overstate how important this ruling was.

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It's a very significant outcome for the Department of Justice, not just for U.S. policy, but

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for global efforts to control big tech.

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So the ripple effects, A, could be very huge here.

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Yeah, and the judge, you mentioned it, called Google a monopolist.

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So what does that mean for the company going forward?

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Yeah, Google was quick to say it's appealing the ruling.

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The company's president of global affairs said in a statement that Google is the best

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search engine, and the judge recognized that.

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But the judge also said that Google had a major advantage over its rivals.

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That advantage is exclusive agreements with device makers like Apple and Samsung.

[11:12.34 - 11:17.12]

Google has paid those companies billions of dollars to be the default search engine on

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their phones and computers.

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During the trial, we learned that in one year alone, Google paid more than $26 billion for

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that privilege.

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So now, going forward, it's hard to know what's going to happen to Google.

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And that's because in his decision, the judge didn't address remedies for the company.

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Instead, there's going to be a whole separate other trial where he will decide those.

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I spoke to one of the top antitrust experts in the country, George Hay, about what the

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judge might mandate.

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Hay is a former chief economist for the Justice Department's Antitrust Division.

[11:49.92 - 11:51.40]

The remedy here is pretty obvious.

[11:51.72 - 11:54.96]

He's going to say those contracts with Apple and Samsung have to go away.

[11:55.88 - 11:59.84]

No contracts means Google likely won't be the default search engine.

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But Hay says we're a long way from that because of the whole appeals process.

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Okay, now beyond Google, though, Dara, I mean, what does Monday's ruling mean for other lawsuits

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the government has brought against big tech?

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Yeah, well, there are a lot of lawsuits.

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The Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission have sued Facebook parent company

[12:19.78 - 12:25.18]

and there's Amazon and that sued Apple and some other small tech companies, too.

[12:26.16 - 12:31.04]

And it's clear the Justice Department is emboldened by this ruling and celebrating their win against

[12:31.04 - 12:32.40]

Google in a statement.

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Attorney General Merrick Garland said, quote, no company, no matter how large or influential,

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is above the law.

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And the experts I spoke to agree.

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They say this ruling could pave the way for similar rulings on those other lawsuits.

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So this push to break up the power of big tech seems like something that's just going to continue.

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Speaker 3
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All right, that's NPR tech correspondent Dara Kerr.

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Thanks, Dara.

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Thank you.

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And a note here, Google is a financial sponsor of NPR, but we cover them like we would anyone else.

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In South Carolina, people are being urged to stay home and off the roads.

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That's because Tropical Storm Debbie is expected to dump potentially catastrophic amounts of

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rain, especially along the coast.

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South Carolina Public Radio's Victoria Hanson joins us now from where she lives just outside

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Charleston, about a mile from the beach.

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Victoria, what are you seeing this morning?

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Well, I'm seeing lots of rain this morning.

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In fact, it was so heavy at times overnight, it was kind of tough to sleep.

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Now, we did have a tornado touchdown just south of Charleston, which damaged homes.

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And we're under a flash flood warning for much of the morning.

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The problem is this storm is expected to creep along our coast.

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The National Weather Service in Charleston says anywhere from 10 to 20 inches of rain

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is likely, with the possibility of up to 30 inches in some places.

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So, to give you some perspective, we typically get 50 to 60 inches of rain a year, so we

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could see half that in just a matter of days.

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Not to mention, we are expecting a storm surge of two to four feet.

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That means even more water will push onshore, giving all this rain little place to go.

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Yeah, so when it creeps, I guess that means a lot of water is kind of being dumped.

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How are state and local leaders preparing?

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I mean, they know it's coming, so are they evacuating people?

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Speaker 4
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Yes, so far, no evacuations, but the city of Charleston did enact a curfew last night.

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Essentially, they closed the peninsula beginning at 11 p.m. until later this morning when they

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planned to reassess.

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Here's Mayor William Cogswell at a press conference last night.

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Speaker 2
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For your own safety and the safety of the emergency responders, please stay indoors.

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Do not go out.

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This is a lot of water coming our way, and we need to take it very, very seriously.

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And it's important to point out, flash flooding is what claims so many lives during these

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storms.

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Now, high water rescue vehicles and boats, they are ready in case people do, in fact,

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need help.

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And shelters have opened across the state for those who know their homes flood.

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Again, city and state leaders are urging people just to stay home.

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So given all that, are people staying home?

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Well, fortunately, many businesses are closed.

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And yes, people have been preparing, getting supplies, and sandbagging their homes.

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I caught up with Kathy Evans at a grocery store during a break in the rain yesterday.

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She's lived in Charleston for nearly 30 years now, and she does what many of us do.

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She prepares for the worst, and she hopes for the best.

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And she says absolutely she is staying home, even if it's for days until this storm passes.

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I don't want to be that person who brings out our very hardworking law enforcement or

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fire department to save me because I didn't listen.

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And then they put their lives at risk.

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Now, Evans says she does worry about all the new people who have moved to South Carolina

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recently and the addition of so many new homes.

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That means there's less open land to absorb all that water.

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Victoria, you're covering this, but you're also experiencing it.

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What do you worry about?

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You know, I worry about the flooding.

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We had what they call historic floods in 2015, which just dumped a substantial amount of

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rain on us, more than 20 inches.

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At that time, my backyard probably took in about three feet of water.

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I checked this morning.

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That's not the case.

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But the frogs are very lively is the only thing I can say.

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It was very, very loud outside my window last night.

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So, you know, again, I think a lot of us just don't know what to expect.

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It depends upon how long, you know, this storm kind of hovers over us.

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And then there's a possibility that it could go back out into the Atlantic and then make

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landfall again before heading to North Carolina.

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That's South Carolina Public Radio's Victoria Hanson speaking to us from just outside Charleston.

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Victoria, thank you.

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And thank you.

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And that's Up First for Tuesday, August 6th.

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I'm Amy Martinez.

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