a talk with daisy edgar-jones [video]

2024-07-18 01:01:04

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I was going through this horror movie phase, I don't know, maybe a year ago, and I watched the movie Fresh, and who was in the movie Fresh? Daisy Edgar Jones. You probably know her from normal people, a phenomenal, phenomenal TV show that blew up during Covid. But I discovered her from that movie, Fresh. And I remember watching that movie and thinking to myself, this girl is fucking awesome.

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Even though she's playing a character in the movie. Obviously. I was like, I feel like she's cool and I want to hang out with her. Like, I was like, I don't know anything about her. I'm watching her in a movie, but I was like, I just feel like she's a cool person. And so I'm very excited today to be talking to Daisy.

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She is a critically acclaimed British actress known for her versatile performances. She began her journey in the performing arts at a young age. I love theater kids. I like dating theater kids. I like being friends with theater kids. I'm just really attracted to theater kids. I can't tell you how many crushes I've had on Theater boys.

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I haven't always won them over, necessarily, but I've definitely always had a weird thing for theater kids. As I mentioned earlier, she became known for her breakout performance in the Emmy Award nominated series Normal People. And this summer, Daisy is starring in the Universal feature Twisters. And then later this year, she will appear on Swift Horses alongside Jacob Elordi, Will Poulter and Diego Calva. She is busy, okay?

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She's booked and busy, but she's given me a little piece of her day today to hang out and talk. And we're all going to get to know Daisy today and just to hang out with her. And I think it's going to be absolutely awesome. So I'm excited to present the talented, the beautiful, the amazing Daisy. EdGAr Jones You know, what I'm obsessed with about us is that, and you definitely don't know this. We have an unbelievable amount of things in common.

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Like, it's actually weird, like it's really bizarre. Like I had to make a list because we have so many just random, coincidental things in common. For example, we're both only children.

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Speaker 2
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Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1
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How did you find that?

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Speaker 2
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I'm really curious, Okay, I, I both love and hate it.

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Speaker 1
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Yeah, I understand.

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Speaker 2
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That's so interesting, that's so interesting, you're an only child. I kind of, like, I feel like that's why you're very good at making friends.

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Speaker 1
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We're forced to be good at it.

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Speaker 2
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You have to be because it's like, you have to be that person on the beach. On a like holiday with your family. Who's like, can I play? Because you don't have the like safety net of a sibling? Yes, and it's hard, but I do think it's a great lesson in life to, like, get good at putting yourself out there.

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Speaker 1
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Yes.

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But I was actually talking about this with my friend recently, like, I love being an only child because I'm very close with my family. I'm very like. I feel like I was forced to sort of be at the adults table from a young age and like, be able to sort of sit quietly and listen. But I also like, there's a lot about it I don't like.

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Like, do you like being an only child? I did feel lonely, I know what you mean, it can be really lonely, and I think the thing that I find like, loneliest is. I don't know if you feel this way, but I'm a very nostalgic person.

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Me as well, I love sitting in the sort of comfortable pain of like memory and remembering my childhood. But I think I have this sort of desperate want to impart what it was like to other people because only I experienced it and I don't have anyone else. To be like, dad was like, that wasn't he? or mom used to do this thing like no one, to be like, Oh.

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And also no one to sort of legitimize my experience as well and be like, Yeah, I remember that was like that, not the way you were told. It was like, You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1
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Absolutely, are you very like, emotionally attached to your parents? would you say? Because that's my experience. I'm like, almost borderline, probably toxic in the way that I'm like, attached to them in a way.

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Speaker 2
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Yeah, like, are you quite like, obsessed with your like? I'm just very anxious about them, I.

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Speaker 1
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Would say I'm like, anxiously attached to them.

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Speaker 2
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Actually, that's so funny, you say that like, I like, I was a very, I was very good, like, it's maybe one of my biggest regrets.

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I wish I'd been like, naughtier me, too.

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Speaker 1
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Never snuck out.

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Speaker 2
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Yep, no, I was like, unbelievably well behaved. I'm like, I think it's because I felt this incredible pressure that, like, if I fucked up, I was like it was all on me. Yes, you just feel more responsible because you are the only one.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1
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Parents, when there's only one child, they have the ability to keep close tabs on the kid. And so, you know, how would we have snuck out?

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Speaker 2
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Like, I don't think we could have.

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Speaker 1
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Whereas, like, when there's three other kids in the house, it's like, Okay, well, Johnny's over here, like, he just shit himself, so we have to, like, clean up Johnny's shit. And then, you know, Sally's over here. And like, she's, you know, I don't know, crying about something, and then, you know, you can sneak off.

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Speaker 2
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Emma is sneaking off, exactly.

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Speaker 1
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But we couldn't do that. But I think that, in some ways, that is kind of a miracle. Because, like the danger. In retrospect, now that I'm an adult, I regret not taking those risks. But I'm also like God, like, gnarly shit can happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so like, honestly, kind of good.

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Speaker 2
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Yeah.

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Speaker 1
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Do you feel like it made you more creative being an only child because you were bored a lot?

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Speaker 2
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I think I was quite weird.

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Speaker 1
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Please elaborate on that.

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Speaker 2
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Well, because, like, you know, a lot of my childhood was like playing on my own, like in the like with like my little, like, imaginary. Like fairy friends. I had fairy, oh my god, did you ever build fairy houses and stuff? Oh, big time, I was big time into it, I took it very seriously.

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Speaker 1
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So we're twins? Oh good, we're just exactly twins. This is insane.

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Speaker 2
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Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1
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It's that you have to. How else were you weird?

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Speaker 2
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Oh God, I mean, I think I was just I was just genuinely just sort of generally embarrassing. But I think that's carried on into my adulthood as well, like, I don't know if I've left that.

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Speaker 1
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Guess what else we have in common?

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Speaker 2
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What else?

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Speaker 1
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We're both Gemini's hey hey, was it your birthday?

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Speaker 2
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Yes, when?

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Speaker 1
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May 22nd May 24th Exactly Do you are you into astrology?

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Speaker 2
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I am, I'm like, I'm not very versed in it, but I'm like, I am getting there, I'm into it.

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Speaker 1
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I did honestly more research than I think I've ever done. Because I was like, we're both Gemini's like, let's see if this leads to us having things in common, okay, and we'll see. So, a Gemini trait that I read about is that you're good at language.

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Like, Gemini's are supposed to be good at language, right?

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Speaker 2
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As in learning languages.

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Speaker 1
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Just language in general, so like speaking, like just communicator speaking, and like accents and things like that. And you have done so many different accents in your career. And I'm curious, do you have a natural knack for that, for speaking, for language, for these things?

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That's really interesting, I didn't know that. I think I do like, I think I've and I have accents in my house, so I think I've always grown up with loads of different accents. But I'm also, I'm also. I think, like when I'm with other people, I'm like mirroring them a little bit.

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So, like, that accent thing starts to happen. But yeah, that's funny. I wonder if it's actually more to do with my star sign.

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Speaker 1
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How are you with communicating? Are you a good communicator? would you say?

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I don't know that, I I think, well, I'm struggling to communicate whether I'm a good communicator, so maybe.

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Speaker 1
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That's a sign, maybe that's a sign. So far, you're a great communicator.

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Speaker 2
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Thank you, I think that like, I actually, yeah. I think I'm quite good at articulating how I feel. I'm just like, but more of me struggles to like voice, how I feel honestly like I'm that part I'm not good at.

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Speaker 1
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People pleaser Maybe in some ways, I am prone to people pleasing as well. I've had to really, really work on that.

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Speaker 2
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It's an affliction it really genuinely is.

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It's challenging, but I think it gets, I guess it gets easier.

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Speaker 2
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I think, like, what I struggle with is like, I find my people pleasing. I so struggle to say how I feel sometimes. But then what happens is I just build up resentment, which is totally unfair, and then I'm just like, cut it all off.

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Speaker 1
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I'm the same, are you? Do you cut people off?

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Rarely, rarely I have a very like high stretch. But yeah, sometimes when it's just there's one little thing that will like, absolutely do it. And then I'm like, goodbye forever.

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Speaker 1
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Well, you just. But it's also. But it's not even that I feel like, if you're describing what I think you're describing, it is this long buildup. But then it'll be like some random thing that breaks the camel's back, like it'll be the smallest straw. But I get that final Gemini trait is being indecisive, there's actually a bazillion Gemini traits.

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Honestly, there's probably so many that it would apply to every single human on the planet, which is maybe why people hate astrology. But are you indecisive? would you say?

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Speaker 2
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Possibly.

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Speaker 1
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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So are you?

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Yes, I would say like 75, so like, I'm not. There are times when I'm just dead set on something for no reason. Like, I couldn't tell you why. But I would say for the most part, I am indecisive. Maybe because I'm a Gemini. But how do you choose what projects are exciting to you? Because, I mean, I feel like there are always, you know, there are so many things to audition for.

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And it's like, at a certain point, you have to narrow it down and figure out, okay, what, you know, what's worth my energy? How do you figure that out?

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I feel like I'm getting better at it. But like, I, I mean, I love, I love being decided for like, I love, like, going to a restaurant and being like, you tell me what I should do, like, give me a tasting menu any day, so with like. And I'm only now in a position in my career where I do have some semblance of choice and that's like such a privilege. But also like, Yeah, it's hard, because you know you. There's so many reasons why a project could be really good and could could be not. But I like, I'm getting much better at, sort of like, honing in on the kind of career I want and the type of actor I want to be. And and also, like, I think the thing, especially with filmmaking, is I, I love filmmakers.

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I love, I love being in a director's vision, I love feeling like I'm in somebody else's painting. And so that's becoming a lot more specific for me of like, well, I'm choosing to go for a filmmaker. And you know, character is everything, obviously, but you can't. You can't be sure that that character will be what you want it to be. Unless the filmmaker is like, there to make that. Because it's so their medium, so yeah, but I also have like a great team who who they are very patient with me going like, maybe I really want to do it, maybe actually, I don't know that, maybe I do, which I do all the time.

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That's important, like having a good team, who gets it and who also is like, this is actually a really good opportunity. You should do this, you should at least try it, or whatever would you ever like. What's your feeling about being on the other side of things?

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So, you know, writing, directing, because I think it depends. Like, you know, there's certain people that are like, I really just love, you know, this one sort of act, and it's like, I just like being in it. I, you know, there's a passion for being almost like a blob of paint for the painter. Like, there's something so beautiful about relinquishing control in that way, especially as an indecisive person. But do you also have a desire to say, write or direct, or are you like, No, I don't care?

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I actually would like in that. I'm a bit of a control freak. Like, I would absolutely love to direct, and I think also I. I do love every part of making a film. And I think that I would love to just sort of be behind the camera and and play with the camera and play with like music and play with another actor and see what would happen. So I definitely have dreams, but I feel like I have so many things that I haven't even like, scratched the surface of. In terms of acting, that I'm like, it would be a while away, but I watched your podcast with Charli XCX, which I love.

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Oh my God, thank you. I also like, you're like, all of your, just the brat, just. It's all amazing. But Charli was talking about, like, I was just thinking, she needs to direct, like, Yes, she really does. She's like, she was like, I watched like four movies at some. It's unbelievable. Oh my god, I need to, like, get my movie watching. It was like, wild. But would you do? You feel this kind of itch? Like, it's a funny thing? When you find yourself in a career, like, do you do you feel an itch to kind of keep changing what you do?

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Like, you know, like, I've gone back and forth about sort of like the next, say, 10 years, a lot in the last, say, five years. Like, you know, just thinking about what I want to do. And there's a lot of noise around you, right? People saying, like, Oh, you would be really good at this, telling you what you would be good at. And that's very nice. And like, very inspiring in a lot of ways, but at the same time, it's confusing because that's not your own original thought. And so I've been challenged by that, like, trying to sort of hone in on what I want to do. I've sort of started to figure out what I like and don't like when it comes to like my own. Like for me, I'm terrible at things that are fictional. Like, I've, like, toyed around with the idea of, you know, possibly getting into more things that are that are fictional. Like, in various realms, like, you know, whether that's writing something or whatever, and there might be a world where that makes sense. But I'm somebody who I'm just drawn to. Non-fiction, I love documentary, I love, you know, based on true story, like I love these things right for like to create anyways to consume. It's, you know, I love everything. But. And so it's confusing, and I bet you can probably relate to that as well. Sort of this. There's a lot of noise. I also think, too, there's a lot of pressure to do things at a young age, yeah.

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Right, like, Oh, you need, we need to do it now, we're young, we need to do it now. It's like, No, you like you guys. We can create things for the rest of our lives.

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Well, that's the thing that's so mad to me because, like I, through this industry and I suppose, and also through being an only child, just always calling back. But, like, have a lot of older friends me as well, and they're always like, you're obsessed with age, like I'm obsessed with going. And how old were they when they did that? Yes, and how old were you when you, like, met your partner, and how old were you when you, like, achieved this thing? Yeah, I think, like, I think that's something of like, being in your twenties, there's this sort of feeling of like, I don't know. You're so aware of age and where you thought you would be, and like milestones. Especially because you, you know, you've been doing this since you were sixteen, and this is when I know everything about you and you stop.

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Stop, I'm obsessed, it's like I'm a mad Stan.

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No, this is amazing.

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But like, when your career kind of launches at a young age, it's funny. It's like, it's that thing where it's an amazing thing. That sort of, yeah, that sort of honing in on what you really desire. And I think when you've sort of gone full blaze into something really young, it's a funny thing when then you're older. Going like, Oh, is this actually do? I really love, like, figuring it out? So, yeah, I'm so obsessed with age and how old people were when they did things. It's so funny.

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Speaker 1
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The one thing that, like, changed my perspective on it was my dad. Because he, to me, is the epitome of somebody who's like, I don't care how old I am, I don't care what. You know, the timeline is supposed to look like, it doesn't matter. And I am constantly looking at him, like, Okay, I have to remember this. Because there is this sort of pressure. I think internally in this industry to do everything now, but also societally as well. To be like, do everything now, like, find your partner that you're going to be with forever, if you're somebody who you know wants to do that. Or, you know, start thinking about kids, start thinking about where you're going to live, start doing. You know, you need to be on it, and it's you don't need to be on it, but there's the pressure to be on it and it's overwhelming.

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It's so overwhelming, we're living a lot longer. And actually, the guy, the director who directed Normal People. He did a talk recently with his best friend, who also did the music for it, and they were talking. I wasn't there, but my friend was telling me that they didn't like. He didn't make his first like feature film until he was, like, in his late 30s, or maybe even older. And like, now, he's Oscar nominated and like, you know, he's just. It's amazing. When you realize like, there is, you can take a deep breath, like, there is this feeling like I need to, and I get that. You have to work, you have to earn, you have to, you know, start to grow roots for the life you want to have. But there's also, like, I think that pressure of like it has to be now, and I have to have achieved it by 24. I think it's nice to be like, actually, that's not, not at all not the case.

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Speaker 1
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Speaking of that, another thing that we have in common is that we both didn't go to college. Hey, what was that decision like? Because I can relate to sort of this feeling of this might not be the right thing for, yeah.

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It was like, I remember sort of the first year, which was like my gap year, I suppose, and then being like, Oh, this is a gap. Life like this is actually just my, like, my life, like what I had been acting like from the age of. I had an agent from when I was 16, but I got my first job when I was 17. In a show which was like the British equivalent of Friends. So I played like one of the kids of the adult cast. And I'd like have one line, an episode, but I'd be like, you know, I thought it was sick and I was like, had made it.

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Speaker 1
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It is sick, it was sick, it totally is. I was thrilled.

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I was working like three or four months in the year and auditioning loads. And I kind of just was like, I applied for uni and I got in and I really thought about it. But it didn't make sense for me to, it felt like it didn't make sense to go to, then come out of uni three years later to continue trying to audition. And. But I did, like, really weigh it up because I loved learning and I, you know, I love school and I wanted that life experience, but I decided not to. But I don't regret it. Do you ever like?

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Speaker 1
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No, well, I actually did something even weirder, where I left high school as well, so I, like, didn't even finish high school. I technically got like a California diploma because I went and took a little test and they were like, here you go. It's like the bare minimum, but like, so legally, it's not like I dropped out, I guess. But it is one of those things where I think, when you, when you can, feel that there's an opportunity there to dedicate yourself to something in the moment. And it's sort of, and you get that feeling, that like, you must do it now, yeah.

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You can't fight that, but it's something that I struggle with discussing at times because it's not a one-size-fits-all thing. Like, there are so many people who love, you know, who loved going to college, who benefited from it so much. Who, like, you know, have been able to build these like, incredible careers off of it. And so, you know, that's why it's sort of a weird thing, because it's like, I can't, I can't give advice about it, I can't like. It's something that was so unique, it's so unique to the individual that, you know. But I was somebody that was so obsessed with doing well in school that it was like, Oh, my God, what am I doing? Like leaving?

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Speaker 2
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So what made you leave? What was the decision?

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Speaker 1
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I left because YouTube was able to be a job for me all of a sudden. And I'm like, 17 or no. I was 16 at the time and all of a sudden it was like, Oh, my God, like this. This could be my job for the next few years. I, I should probably just do this for now and then. If I want to go back to school, I always can, and that was hard for me to swallow. Because as we've talked about with age, it's like, yeah, but going back to college as like a 30-year-old is embarrassing. Like, that's what I thought as a 16-year-old. Now, I know that that's ridiculous. But at the time I was like, This is, you know, I have to either do this now or I'm never gonna do it. My parents kept reminding me, No, you can go back whenever. But were you somebody who you know you loved learning, would you say that your experience at school, like you know, high school, was? How was it like in general?

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Speaker 2
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I loved school, like, and I was really, I mean, I was head girl, like, head girl, do you have head girl here? do you?

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Speaker 1
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What does that mean?

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Speaker 2
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It's a big deal. It's no, it's no. Basically like you, you just sort of you do a little speech and then they, like the school, votes on whether you should, like, represent everybody. Oh, like, class president. Yeah, yeah, great, yes.

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So I was head girl and so it was a big deal. It was a lot of pressure, actually.

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Speaker 1
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A lot of pressure.

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Speaker 2
[00:20:57.50 - 00:21:09.02]

It was a lot of pressure. I mean, I have an old diary that I've been keeping since I was 14 and it is so funny. I was like, like the amount of pressure I felt, and I'm like, now I look back and I'm like, the stakes were so low.

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Speaker 1
[00:21:09.08 - 00:21:13.56]

Yeah, you had no idea the pressure that you were gonna experience later in your life. Oh my God, you did not know.

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Speaker 2
[00:21:13.56 - 00:21:44.56]

No, but for me, that was like, you know, a big deal, but I loved school and I really enjoyed learning. But but I think you're right, I think, you know that that college thing, sort of, it was really drummed into us of, like, we call it university. But like, you have to go, you kind of like, have to, that's the that's the one route. And obviously like not saying that, you know, like you said, it's. It's very different for each person, but I will say that like, I don't, I feel. There's so many other ways to to follow what you're interested in.

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Speaker 1
[00:21:45.32 - 00:22:15.30]

What's so cool about your story is that you've you've been acting for a long time. You know, like this has been a a steady sort of dream for you since, since it feels like forever. And so, you know, has this like, what's your relationship to sort of acting as maybe a hobby to a career? Like? What has that sort of process been like? And how has your relationship with acting sort of evolved as you've made it into a career?

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Speaker 2
[00:22:15.62 - 00:23:31.16]

Yeah, I, I still can't believe. I like, get to do it, like, genuinely I, I, I mean, it's like, make, make, believe for a living. And it is, you know, I mean, I think that this last five years in particular, have been bonkers. Like when I was 16, 17 doing Cold feet this show. I, you know, I, I was working with brilliant British actors who were older than me. And just like hearing that, like, amazing story. I. I love actors as well, like actors get a bad rap, but they, they shouldn't, they shouldn't. But yeah, I just loved all their stories and like, watch, like learning from watching them. And so, you know, and like, the jobs that have come my way have been amazing. But normal people is definitely like, if you could boil down my absolute dream project, it would be that like, I'm a huge romantic. It's a love story. It's like the best writer and book I've read, and an amazing filmmaker and brilliant cast. So I think that that's really sort of I've been so lucky and also in some ways spoilt by that. Because I, you know it, really, what kind of launched my career really was something that is sort of my absolute dream. So since then, I, it's just I feel like I. I feel so much older. Now, five years on, I feel so much older than I was.

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Speaker 1
[00:23:31.32 - 00:23:32.00]

It'll age you.

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Speaker 2
[00:23:32.16 - 00:23:47.16]

It really, yeah, I feel like, yeah, just sort of looking back on. Yeah, I feel like I've learned like a lot these last few years, and yeah, really become an adult. But I am also growing older, so it's probably just like, No.

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Speaker 1
[00:23:47.16 - 00:25:14.32]

No, but I understand what you mean, because in a way, like when, when you really get thrust into into such a jarring and unusual experience, such as becoming a public figure. In one way or another, you, you're faced with challenges that are like so extreme and unusual that, in a way, you know, you're almost forced to sort of mature. I think all of a sudden, at this rapid rate, to to manage the situation that you're being faced with. Because there are so many scary, you know, intimidating pieces of it, also incredible pieces of it. But you know whether it's the pressure of working on something that has this insane budget? And you know, there are other really experienced, you know, actors working on it as well, and there's an experienced director. And you're, you know, coming in and you're like, I need to live up to this, I need to step up to the plate. And then there's this pressure of the whole world's watching. So it's all of this, like, you know, all of this, I think, forces you to, in a lot of ways, philosophize about things in a way that you wouldn't have otherwise. Or, you know, sort of grow this more adult thick skin in a way, totally.

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Speaker 2
[00:25:14.32 - 00:25:32.34]

Like, do you remember? I'm so curious for you, that kind of moment of your life changing, in that thing of being known? Was that like an overnight thing, or do you remember? Do you remember? Like a point in your life where you were like, Ah, the tap's been turned on and I don't think I'll turn it off, it'll turn off again.

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Speaker 1
[00:25:34.48 - 00:26:18.74]

It's weird, like, yes, I feel like it was when I was at school and because I started my YouTube channel the summer. Before junior year and then by junior year in school, people knew about it. And like, kids that maybe wouldn't have talked to me before. Not necessarily because of any reason other than we just weren't crossing paths. But I was being sought out to discuss this thing now and it was so unusual. And at school, it was like, became this sort of like microscopic version of, you know what, it would sort of later become. But that was sort of when I was like, Well, this is weird, like people understand. But then after that it was like a blur, like, I don't even remember. Do you have a moment?

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Speaker 2
[00:26:19.46 - 00:28:16.00]

Well, it was during Covid, so I, it was weird, like, and I honestly, it was like, I mean, I don't know if it was because of that, that, like, I don't, I know. In some ways, a lot of my life has really changed. And like, you know. But I also feel like it was sort of like a simulation. The whole thing, like, even like the first time we met, I feel like was at was at the Met Gala. I think, and like, that whole, I mean, that whole night was just like a complete simulation for me. Like, I was, I'm not in my body. This, I mean, it went wrong for me in many ways, but like, it was also amazing. But yeah, I think that like, there was so much, sort of during that time. The show came out. And I kept getting sort of calls from people saying, like, it's everywhere, it's everywhere. I'm looking, especially in the UK. Like it was the biggest, I think, show that had ever been on the BBC iPlayer. And like, I was being told that my life was changing exponentially. But in my actual life, I was just having these sort of Zoom interviews, I was on the Graham Norton show on Zoom. So then you'd sort of turn your laptop off and be like, did that even happen? Like 100? It was such a weird thing, I think, partly like there was so often where I was on. Like having these conversations with like a journalist, for example. And then reading the article two days later. And being like, because I hadn't met a real person, I don't know, it was just a really strange time. But even like, going out with a mask on and having, like, prolonged eye contact with people and being like, that's a bit different. But is it that they've just not seen another human being in three days and they're like, Oh, there is one? So, yeah, it was really, I guess, like, I mean, a couple years ago because I went from Covid back to back job to do back to back jobs. And so it was an insular experience. So it was really like 2022. And it was actually coming out into the world in a normal way that I was like, Oh, okay, yeah, this feels different.

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Speaker 1
[00:28:16.26 - 00:28:44.68]

Was it really jarring for you, or do you think that, in a way, it was almost like more comforting to have it be this tangible thing now? Because there is something very unnerving about feeling disconnected from your reality because everything is virtual in a way. And, like you, your life, in all ways, is not changing. Like, you know what? was the sort of emotional reaction?

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Speaker 2
[00:28:45.52 - 00:29:43.02]

I feel like I'm quite like, I'm quite self-conscious, generally, like I'm naturally, mostly my like. Base level is slightly deeply mortified, which is weird because a lot of the jobs I've done are, like, really mortifying in many ways. Like some of the things I've had to do. So like I used to. I remember when I was 16, there was a walk from my English class to the toilet and it would be through the like main common area. And everyone would sort of look at you when you were walking, and I remember being really like, how do I walk? Like? I was so self-aware of it, and so then it was like that, but on steroids, where, like, you just get like, really like, is my mouth doing weird things when I eat? Because you know that you're being looked at a little bit more. And so I found it quite like, strange initially, but now, like now, I sort of again. I've been able to sort of compartmentalize the two things I think of, like life, and then that part of it that I know exists.

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Speaker 1
[00:29:43.48 - 00:30:00.28]

Maybe it's good in a way. I mean, obviously, it's not ideal to sort of have this career explosion during a pandemic. That's not ideal, right? But at the same time, I think there is something sort of nice about it because you can adjust.

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Speaker 2
[00:30:00.28 - 00:31:17.76]

To one thing at a time, totally. It was like having stabilizers on, I suppose. And also, I always wonder, like, would the show have resonated if it hadn't been like? There was something about that time that was like, it was the perfect escape at that time, yes, we were all like, horny and lonely, and it was like the perfect show for that. But yeah, I mean, the thing that I find the strangest is like about the kind of like Zoom interviews and doing it all on Zoom. And especially like social media growing and like, I find I'm not very good at, like social media and all of that stuff. But like, I think that it was the sort of ultimate like autonomy I had over so much. Like I look back now and I wish I could have said to myself like, that video will live on the internet forever. Like wear a nicer outfit, like choose a better light, it better. But I was so sort of like, yeah, just setting up my laptop. And I'd have these weird moments sometimes during like calls, where? Because I was so in control of it all. Like I wasn't being brought into a room to have interviews, I was like setting it up and lighting it where I'd have these weird like urges to sort of like, do something really like, I don't know, like flash and like, throw the laptop on. Because I was sort of like, I could, I just could ruin my complete career in like, one second.

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Speaker 1
[00:31:17.80 - 00:31:18.78]

We have the same brain.

2
Speaker 2
[00:31:19.12 - 00:31:20.50]

That's so. Do you feel that, too?

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Speaker 1
[00:31:20.70 - 00:31:25.36]

Because I'm well, that actually leads me to our next thing that we have in common, which is that we're both very anxious.

2
Speaker 2
[00:31:25.86 - 00:31:28.84]

Fuck, I love that, you know that, I know that. How did you find that?

1
Speaker 1
[00:31:28.84 - 00:31:36.86]

But also, is it true that you also are prone to a level of sort of hypochondria even at times? Yeah, yeah, because I'm the same way.

2
Speaker 2
[00:31:36.96 - 00:31:37.44]

No way.

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Speaker 1
[00:31:37.54 - 00:31:56.76]

But more recently, I never, ever had an issue with hypochondria at all, but recently I am a mess. This week. This week, I diagnosed myself with multiple things. I convinced myself that I had lupus because I had a rash on my neck that looked sort of like a hickey.

[00:31:57.00 - 00:32:05.56]

And I was like, What is that? and I googled it and Google told me it was lupus. That was horrible. I have allergies really bad, my right eye has been twitching.

[00:32:05.80 - 00:32:07.42]

Convinced myself I was going blind in the right eye.

2
Speaker 2
[00:32:07.42 - 00:32:11.92]

But isn't it crazy, like you literally stub your toe and it's like you're pregnant or you have, like, stage fours?

1
Speaker 1
[00:32:11.94 - 00:32:40.24]

Oh, I think I'm pregnant once a week, by the way, I have literally my mom forced me to have an entire like drawer in my bathroom filled with pregnancy tests. Because of the amount of times that I've called her being like, No, this time, it's real, I'm pregnant like, it's. I could not understand more. But also the anxiety of being a public figure for me has been, to be honest, my biggest challenge this far. Because of the reason that you just like your explanation of being like, I could just flash and fucking go to that club.

2
Speaker 2
[00:32:40.24 - 00:32:42.08]

Oh my God, it's like, terrifying.

1
Speaker 1
[00:32:42.42 - 00:32:43.12]

Intrusive thoughts.

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Speaker 2
[00:32:43.26 - 00:32:55.00]

Yeah, completely like from anxiety. Yes, when I'm posting, I like it takes me so long to like, even just doing a story. I'm like, I could just do, I could do anything, I could write anything.

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Even though I don't want to like what, the only thing stopping me is my brain going like, Ah, don't do that, like you'll have. It'll have lasting consequences.

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Speaker 1
[00:33:02.40 - 00:33:02.94]

We understand.

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Speaker 2
[00:33:02.94 - 00:33:14.80]

But I don't know what if that part of me it's. I think it's why? Like, I don't love heights because a big part of my brain is like, Ah, just jump, what if you just did? And then obviously my logic's like, you don't want to because you'll plummet, don't do it right.

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But then it's, I don't know. I'm always like, if that part of my brain just stopped and I just went like, Ah, I'm gonna just do it.

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Speaker 1
[00:33:21.22 - 00:33:56.44]

I know it's a weird thing. I could not understand more. And I feel like the thing that's the hardest, I think, is for us. In a way, is that our situations in life exacerbate anxiety. Like, it makes it harder to do the things that we need to do in a way. Like, for example, if we need to, like, promote something on social media or do something on social media. Now we're thinking about not only how everything's going to be perceived, but also like, what if we lose our head one time? and what if we fuck it up?

[00:33:56.68 - 00:34:10.44]

Do you feel like you're constantly in a way, maybe censoring yourself? Or do you find that? You've been able to manage this sort of fear of the pressure of being in the public eye in a way, like, how do you manage that?

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Speaker 2
[00:34:11.02 - 00:34:32.86]

I definitely, like, I definitely sense myself. I think I'm sort of very, very meticulous or sort of want to make sure that I say the right thing and do the right thing. But then, at the same time, I think I've realized more, like how quickly things are yesterday's news. And also like, we live in a time where like stuff doesn't stay for very long.

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Speaker 1
[00:34:33.22 - 00:34:33.78]

No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2
[00:34:33.86 - 00:34:41.38]

The like the Met gala that I met you on, like, I got, like memed for a bit for like, a really embarrassing interview I did.

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Speaker 1
[00:34:41.52 - 00:34:42.56]

I didn't even see that.

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Speaker 2
[00:34:42.96 - 00:34:58.80]

That's the thing, like, probably not that many people did, but obviously that was the only thing. All of my friends sent me post the Met Gala. They were like, LOL, like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Basically, I had an interview, I mean, that whole day was, I was like, completely just so, like having an out-of-body experience, of course.

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It was just like I just couldn't believe I was there, and also it was like, Oh my God, like, what am I going to do? And like my friend Paul had said, like, we'll meet, we'll meet at the we'll meet beforehand, and he, um, he was late. So I was just sort of at the front of the like, you know, the little pen area that you're in? And I literally was like, Hi guys, scan your barcodes to the left, like I was literally working there.

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So then this person was like, Do you want to do an interview like a Vogue interview? And I was like, sure, it'll pass the time. And it wasn't like even that bad. But like, I basically, like, just was really unbelievably awkward in this interview. And then, like, it cut. And I didn't leave, like I should have left, but I just sort of stood there, like, like a weirdo anyway.

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Speaker 1
[00:35:40.74 - 00:35:43.24]

By the way, that's not your job. Don't worry, they're supposed to be like, Okay, you're.

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Unknown Speaker
[00:35:43.24 - 00:35:43.38]

Good.

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Speaker 2
[00:35:43.42 - 00:35:45.08]

Thank you, they should have said goodbye.

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Speaker 1
[00:35:45.54 - 00:35:46.48]

They should have said goodbye.

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Speaker 2
[00:35:46.56 - 00:35:47.72]

I was being polite, I was waiting to be dismissed.

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Speaker 1
[00:35:47.74 - 00:35:53.90]

You should have said goodbye, no, I. I, as somebody who does the Vogue, they should have said goodbye, they should have said okay, goodbye.

2
Speaker 2
[00:35:54.06 - 00:35:56.14]

I think they actually did say goodbye, though, that's what's wrong.

1
Speaker 1
[00:35:57.32 - 00:36:01.86]

You just forgot. I think I was like, No, but it's scary. Was it the live one? yeah.

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Unknown Speaker
[00:36:02.04 - 00:36:02.68]

That's terrifying.

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Speaker 2
[00:36:02.92 - 00:36:05.80]

I thought they were cutting away or something, and I didn't want to just leave.

1
Speaker 1
[00:36:05.88 - 00:36:23.50]

No, it's very, it's very, it's well, when it's live, it's impossible to navigate. These things happen all the time. But I understand because I had a similar meme experience with this speech that I did when I won. Like some sort of digital award like the Streamy Awards, whatever, thank you so much 2018 or something.

[00:36:23.84 - 00:36:31.36]

But I did this speech and it was like, I, this was my first big event and I did this speech. It's overwhelming. I didn't know I was going to win, I had no idea.

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I thought that they told you beforehand, so I was like, Oh, I'm not winning. I'm just here to, like, you know, rub shoulders with like, you know, Casey Neistat or like, you know, these YouTubers that I love and like, that's what I'm stoked about. But I won and I had to go up and give a speech. I had nothing prepared and I fucking bombed it and said some cringey-ass shit, I don't even remember.

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I've literally blocked it out because I'm not kidding, I continue to this day to get shit about it.

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Speaker 2
[00:36:57.70 - 00:36:57.78]

No.

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Speaker 1
[00:36:58.34 - 00:37:01.72]

Listen, in the grand scheme, you can google it after this, it's horrible.

2
Speaker 2
[00:37:02.42 - 00:37:05.06]

Emma's Streamy speech It wouldn't be that bad, it was pretty bad.

1
Speaker 1
[00:37:05.14 - 00:37:08.30]

Like, I watch it and like, I can laugh now, but whoa?

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Speaker 2
[00:37:08.50 - 00:37:17.64]

Next time you win, which will be soon, you need to like, do it word for word again. You need to double down and be like, No. This is my acceptance speech every time.

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Speaker 1
[00:37:17.76 - 00:37:20.96]

Yeah, because guess what, y'all, this is me, and y'all fucking gave me this award.

2
Speaker 2
[00:37:21.00 - 00:37:22.38]

I won because you like me.

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Speaker 1
[00:37:22.40 - 00:37:28.60]

Accept me for me completely, or, you know, like, give the award to someone else. I mean, it's like, that's crazy, but here's the thing, though.

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If you're bringing your genuine personality to the table, you are more prone to these sort of embarrassing moments. Because you're not putting on this facade. If you like, choose, like, Okay, I'm going to go into the Met Gala, I'm going to go into the 2018 Streamy Awards with this sort of facade. Then guess what, you're safe, but no one then knows you, so it's sort of this. Like, you know, it's a tempting route to take. But like, I, you know, I personally can't exist in that way.

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Like, I don't know how to have that sort of facade.

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Speaker 2
[00:38:03.70 - 00:38:28.08]

Also, like, I think that people connect to people that they, like, know, are being authentic. And I definitely. There's been times where I've tried to be. But I like, that's just not like, that's just not who I am. But I also like, I love like when I see people being real. Yes, and also there's something this is really. I learned about this recently. There's something called the Pratfall effect. Have you heard of it? No?

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It's actually this makes this kind of like, it's very interesting. But it's basically a psychological term whereby if you meet, when you meet someone for the first time. If you can, like, sort of make a fool of yourself or a prat in yourself, you basically like, they automatically like you more, if that makes sense, whereby like, for example, one of the best things that ever happened to Jennifer Lawrence? Well, Lawrence. Otherwise, other than being just like mega talented, was also like tripping up at the Oscars. Because everyone was like, I love her, she's like a real person. Yes, like, we all trip up like, what a legend, and it kind of like, you know, I mean, winning the Oscars is probably the best thing that happened to her.

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Yeah, one of them, but yeah, I think that like, it's, I think people, just like realness, they like being able to go like, I see, I see you, you're a human, you know?

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Speaker 1
[00:39:19.66 - 00:39:59.34]

It's, it's, it's. I also think, too, for anxious people, in a way to sort of accept and be okay with with embarrassment or failure. To like to come to terms with the fact that that is inevitable, and, you know, in your case, potentially in the public eye. Even. To come to terms with it is to set yourself free and then re-fall in love with with what you're doing all over again. But it is challenging to get there. Would you say that removing the variable of like the public eye? Does acting cause or or relax anxiety, or maybe both?

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Speaker 2
[00:39:59.78 - 00:40:00.54]

A bit of both.

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Speaker 1
[00:40:00.68 - 00:40:00.78]

Yeah.

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Speaker 2
[00:40:00.96 - 00:41:00.10]

I think that like when you're in the free flow with another actor doing like a cracking scene and you feel completely lost in it. Like, that is the most sort of freeing feeling. Because you're just like, Oh, I'm just like living in the present, in this moment. And there is something massively magical about the like moment between action and cut, where you just have the floor and there's sort of like a true escape. But I also like, I, I'm such a perfectionist and I hold myself to a very high standard. So I think wanting to get it right, wanting to make sure that, like, I've done my best, is something that like. And and the lack of control sometimes, where you can't predict whether you're going to have two takes or five, or you're going to have like, something go wrong, or like a weather, weather come in. So you, you have to wrap up quickly and you didn't, you know, or you stumbled over a line or or a line. Dialogue changes just before, like, I think there's some parts of it that then I do, like, I find I, I really want to get it right.

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But I also like, kind of like that, because I think I'll. I'll always want to like, be be better than I was before and like, push myself better, like more so, and not be be complacent.

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Speaker 1
[00:41:12.14 - 00:41:20.96]

But but it's rational anxiety, right? Because you're actually having anxiety about something that actually warrants a level of anxiety. Yeah, do you know what I'm saying? yeah.

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Because, like, that's something that's been hard for me to distinguish. Being a very anxious person myself is like, what anxiety is rational and irrational?

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Speaker 2
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Yeah, that one's really, especially with hypochondria, like, because like there are times where it's hard, because that that is irrational, I suppose. But but you know, you can really, it can be psychosomatic, you really can start to feel it. Oh, yes, that's really funny, have you? How have you found? have you found ways to kind of do that to differentiate the?

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Speaker 1
[00:41:50.88 - 00:42:34.02]

I mean, I'm getting better now because I think that what I've been able to do is, you know, over the years, every time that I think something's gonna go wrong and then it doesn't. I remember that and I sort of store that in this place in my brain that is not hidden. I try to keep it up, you know, in the front of my brain so that I remember that next time. And that's been the thing that's helped me is like, time and time again, I've worried about these things and they've not come to pass. Like I've thought I'm going blind in my right eye. I've thought that I got food poisoning, you know, from this like thing that I ate that, like, wait it. I think it was past its expiration date. Like, you know, all these little things, I've been fine.

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Speaker 2
[00:42:34.78 - 00:43:09.02]

That's actually the I think that's such a good way of handling it like that I've. That's exactly how I do it, too, where my my health anxiety is not as bad as it used to be. But it definitely like, it comes and goes. And I think in part, like, I think it's sort of a control thing, maybe of being like, I need to do something. So it's a sort of like in a job, I think, where a lot of the time you don't have control over a lot of your life. I think maybe that's sometimes a way of like of having some, but you're so right. That's the kind of, I think, not letting myself.

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Google has been a really good thing, because then you're rationalizing something, that there's times where you, you know, it makes sense. But I think where I've gone, like, okay, I'm just going to leave it for a bit before I immediately diagnose a bunch of stuff. But also it's one of the most like natural human experiences. To be anxious is how we survive. And like, the issue is now, that, like the equivalent of a tiger, is like an email you'll get through or less. And so we're constantly being stimulated with like things that make us anxious.

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And so that's that's sort of natural and not to like. I feel like a lot of compassion for that part of myself because I'm, like, you know, of course, like, there's loads of things that, like, are quite anxiety inducing. But I think as I'm getting older, I'm getting much better at noticing it and figuring out ways to deal with it. And, like, a couple of things have really helped me, like, journaling is like, amazing.

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Speaker 1
[00:44:01.38 - 00:44:02.34]

It can be so good.

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Speaker 2
[00:44:02.36 - 00:44:15.90]

It's so good. Whenever I'm like, really, really anxious, I'm just like, Do you know what I'm going to like? Write a bunch of stuff down and suddenly when it's written out, it's the same. When you talk to someone about something, you go like, Ah, okay, now I'm zoomed out like, I can tackle that, yes.

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I know that like this, this, this intrusive door, this thing is actually like, you know nothing to fear, no? And then also like, breathing techniques is really good, oh.

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That's a game changer. Yeah, oh my God, like, because I think also there's been times in my life like in 2021. I played like back to back, very anxious characters, like I played somebody who's being like, hunted by a cannibal. Yep.

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Somebody who was like being hunted, like in the marsh, yeah, and then someone who was like, well, was sort of was murdered. So there was like, a lot of like, for my job, I had to do a lot of like type breathing, yeah.

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And I really realized there was times where I was doing it loads. And that, like, my body was like, Oh, what is happening? Because it didn't know the difference, even though my brain was like, that isn't real. And in the reverse, I think I realized that, like, you can then trick your body to be calm as well. And like, the sort of, like four seconds in and six seconds out, that has been really amazing.

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What does your routine look like on a day-to-day basis? That, you know, sort of supports a more calm vibe.

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A more calm vibe.

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A calm vibe.

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I feel like I'm actually getting into my calm vibe era. I wasn't for a while, but this like maybe this last month, I feel like, whoa, I'm feeling chill, I'm feeling really chilled.

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What do you think has led to this?

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I think I just felt sort of overwhelmed a lot and so I've kind of gotten into, like, a good routine of sort of. The thing I found actually to be really great is giving myself 20 minutes of every day to actually do something I really, really want to do. Because I like, I read a lot for work and I love reading, but a lot of the time when it's for work. I think that there's never a kind of feeling of like, Oh, I'm really. So, I'm now saying, like, you get 25 minutes to read, like whatever you really want to read.

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That's amazing.

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And then from there, like, you know, so I don't know like that's really helped, but also just sort of, I think deleting Instagram really helps me.

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Speaker 1
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Okay, so do you not have your you don't have Instagram?

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Speaker 2
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I do, and then I like, I re-download it and then I delete it often. Whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1
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My mental state is absolutely atrocious. When I'm going on Instagram a lot, it's horrible. Wait, so tell me your story of deleting Instagram?

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Well, I like, I kind of feel that too, like, I just, I wake up and I'm on it and I kind of put it away. And then I go on my phone to, like, answer an email and I'm on it. And I'm like, there's a time when I was realizing that, like, I'm not necessarily sort of like deciding. It's sort of becoming a habit now. Yeah, that is just something that I do.

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Losing hours to it, getting like comparing myself, feeling anxious. So I was like, I just I don't have the self-control you do. Like, if it's on my phone, I'm clicking on it, like, I of course can't not.

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Yeah, so I just deleted it and realized, like, it really does immediately, immediately change. I don't know my mood, and I think, yeah, it's just so loud sometimes and it's just like all-encompassing. And then you sort of turn it off and you go like, Oh, it's not. It doesn't really exist, actually, like, what's here in this room exists.

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And like, Yes, that's where I'd rather be most of the time.

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Speaker 1
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What are you reading right now? and what are you watching? like, what's ooh, what's happening?

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So I'm actually reading something called, I think it's called Conversations on Love or something. Mm-hmm. The title's escaped my brain. But Phoebe Deneveaux is an actor. She was like, you've got to read it, and I was like, all right.

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And it's so good.

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I'm I've interviewed people over the years about love, and she's like, I want to. Why do we learn about maths and science, but we don't know about, like, one of the fundamental like parts being a human? Absolutely, it's so good.

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It's all about, like, romantic love, but also platonic and familial. It's like, lovely, so I'm loving that.

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Speaker 1
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Okay, amazing.

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That's really good. What am I watching? I mean, I'm quite a sucker for, like, bad, but like, I like, quite like bad telly, like, really, yeah.

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Like, I might, if I'm going to watch telly, I'm like, I do want to escape. I like good shows.

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Like, I love like a reality TV show.

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Speaker 1
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I love that, you love that.

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Speaker 2
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Oh, massively, like, I love....

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Speaker 1
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What's your favorite?

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Speaker 2
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I don't think you have it here, but we have a show called Made in Chelsea, which is like,....

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Speaker 1
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I don't know that.

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It's basically like it just follows people like Chelsea is like a part of London, which is sort of where the like posh people live. And they all go to, like bougie restaurants and like, wear like bougie clothes. And they're like, Binky and Cheska are like arguing over something. It's like, it's like,....

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They're all like, really posh, but it's just it just follows them and they're always having like, relationship, drama and like,....

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Speaker 1
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So real housewives.

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Speaker 2
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Oh, completely, it's like,....

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Speaker 1
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Okay, I love that.

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Speaker 2
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The recipe's the same. Every episode, yeah, you're like, Oh, they're still having relationship dramas in a different way, but I will absolutely watch every episode. Yeah, and I've been watching it religiously since I was probably like 11..

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And I love, I love it, I love that, so that's my big thing.

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Speaker 1
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Did you grow up watching Like Vice documentaries?

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Speaker 2
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Yes, I have. yes, yes, I really remember I went to Amsterdam to try like weed for the first time.

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Yes, and I was, like, super convinced it was good for me because of a vice documentary about, like Californian nuns smoking, yes.

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Speaker 1
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No, that's. I grew up on those and I feel like that's what made me like, love the demented documentary. Yeah, like, I just grew to love it.

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And you know, it's, there's something, so there is something so fun about it. But you know, I had a horrible experience smoking weed, so I hope that yours was better.

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Speaker 2
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No.

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Speaker 1
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Did you ever freak out?

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Speaker 2
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Yeah, it was not good.

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Speaker 1
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Me as well.

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Speaker 2
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Yeah.

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I had a panic attack, one of my worst.

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Speaker 2
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Oh yeah, I ended up in an ambulance in Amsterdam.

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Speaker 1
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I almost called 911.

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Yeah.

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Speaker 2
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Yeah, mm-hmm. But also the person was like, no one's ever died of smoking weed like you genuinely deserve it.

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Speaker 1
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Well, did you think you were losing it?

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Speaker 2
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So I went in training with my friend, which is a big thing in. Like, well, I think there's a lot of American people on spring break there, so I think it's a big thing. But where you just get one massive train ticket and it takes you like to any city in Europe you want to go, and you do a list of like cities. And my friend Nancy and I went for like two weeks and we went all over.

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Speaker 1
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Amazing.

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It was so much fun. But we went to Amsterdam because we were like, we've got to try it. Of course, like, we've got to go, we've got to, we have to do it all.

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Mm-hmm. So like we went mental like for about four days, we were like doing all the brownies, going on walking tours. Like, you know, and on the final day, Nancy was like, it's our last day. Like, we've got to, like, you know, we've got to try it, we've got to do one.

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And I was like, Oh my God, and she was like, Well, okay, fine. But can I pick? Because we've smoked too much? And I don't really think I have the capacity, yes.

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So anyway, they handed this menu over at one of the cafes and it had like a list of stuff. And I remember there was one. I think it had some mental name called like Slag-a-thor on it, and it had like four different strains of weed. And I was like, Yeah, that's what, like, that's pure, like, that's what the guys in California smoke. Because I'd seen the Vice documentary.

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Yep, so I was like, this will be super chill.

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Speaker 1
[00:51:16.38 - 00:51:16.76]

Oh, no.

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Speaker 2
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Anyway, we shared it. And like, I was on the side of this canal. And you know, when you're like, on weed. And someone just like, does the stupidest thing? Like? I think Nancy went like, or something like that? And I was like, Anyway, yeah, we were like pissing ourselves, just like laughing for ages and ages, and ages and ages.

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I wet myself, I was like, I wet myself, I was laughing, laughing, laughing. And then I had that paranoid thought where I was like, Yeah, I'm never going to stop laughing.

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Speaker 1
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Like, ever, yes, that's when it, that's when it.

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And I was like, I was like the joker, I was like I was streaming. I was like, I was like, I don't like this anymore, like, please, please.

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Can this end? Yes. So I was like, like, we were just painfully laughing anyway. I think like I was obviously starting to have a panic attack about the fact I was laughing.

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So I felt my heart go like, and it was like, beating really fast, and I was like, my heart's beating, but like, anyway.

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Speaker 1
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No.

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I fully like, I don't know what happened, I think I passed out and I came to in an ambulance. And like, I had all these like ECGs strapped to me and Nancy was like, in the front, like high as a kite, just like eating raspberries. And I just remember that, like that song, you know, that song.

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I've been through the desert on a horse with no name. Yes, you know that one, yes, that was playing on the radio of the ambulance.

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And I was just like, What the hell has happened to me?

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Speaker 1
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Oh, no, anyway.

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Speaker 2
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And then this guy was like, Yeah, you're up, so you're fine. You've just had a bit of a panic attack because they were probably like, Oh God.

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They're probably used to it, too.

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They can just like, handle it. So anyway, from then on, I was like, this isn't for me.

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Speaker 1
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Yeah, have you not smoked since?

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Speaker 2
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No, well, no, because I had a gummy experience where pretty much the exact same thing happened and I was, like, the gummy.

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No, that's yeah.

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Speaker 1
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I could talk to you about drugs all day, but instead we have to talk about your new movie. Yeah, because I want to know, like, tell me everything about this project, considering that, you know.

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You've had this sort of meteoric rise, as you know, as one would say. And it's like, now you're working on this project, you know, starting from a completely different point. Do you know what I'm saying?

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You're going into this with so much under your belt in a way.

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Yeah, I feel like with every job, I feel like the first day of school, like a complete like, completely green. I've wondered that, like, especially with this, because it's like, I've never been on something that's like a big blockbuster. And like, I mean, it was the most fun film to make, genuinely.

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And I think it's the same to watch, like, I think it is such a blast, but also, like, you know, it's the best cast. I feel like I have, like this absolute knack for, like, working with the internet's boyfriend, like, I mean, we're with Glenn Powell, he's like, the best.

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He's amazing and like, you know, like, yeah, I've like my career, I've worked with so many like.

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Speaker 1
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So many handsome handsome internet boyfriends.

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Speaker 2
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It's amazing, but he's just like phenomenal and like, so talented. And yeah, but no, it was such a great experience. Like this is definitely the biggest like scale thing I've ever done, for sure.

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Speaker 1
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Like, do you feel like you were able to sort of relax into it a bit more?

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Because, you know, you have this sort of experience. I guess I'm trying to, like, tap into the fun level, like, what does the fun look like on a set to you now, right?

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Yeah, well, I feel like there was so much about it that I wanted to do. Like, I really wanted to work with Isaac, our director, and he, like, he's that filmmaker that I'm obsessed with. Like, I loved Benari, I loved his first film, and I thought, like him doing a disaster movie, or, like, you know, like him. Doing Twisters is such a cool, unexpected combination. Yes, and so meeting with Isaac and hearing his enthusiasm, like he grew up in Arkansas. So he, like, knows what it is to, like, see tornadoes and like, has seen them.

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And like, like, sheltered from them. And he also, like, was a big lover of Spielberg, and like, Spielberg produced the film. And he like, he was like, I just want to, like. In my career, I want to do everything, I want to not limit myself to what I could do, yes.

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And so I was like, that is so cool and so what I want to do, I want to be able to be like, yeah, I've done a massive fuck off, huge disaster movie and I've also done like a really insular, character driven thing. And like, you know, I want to have that range. And so his enthusiasm got me excited. But also just that I am fascinated by tornadoes and like that phenomenon.

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Speaker 1
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I know nothing about them.

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They're like, they're the wildest thing, like we still know so little about them. Yes, but we filmed in Oklahoma, so I got to actually like, like, Live, where they have them regularly, and we were there during tornado season. So whoa?

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Yeah, like they were a part of the process in many ways. Whoa for real. And I met like all these like, like gnarly storm chasers, who are these absolute adrenaline junkie like mad scientists? Yep.

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And they were really cool, and I actually like one of them, Sean, who is our main consultant. He messaged, like a bunch of the cast a couple of months ago, being they felt like a line from the movie. He was like, there's a crazy weather event and like, we all went out and went chasing for real. Because I'm like, I didn't actually see a tornado, but I like, I am determined to see one before I die.

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Of course, like I have to.

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Speaker 1
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Well, especially now. Oh, completely like on theme.

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I can't have seen five in a movie world and not have, like, actually seen one. Yes, but yeah, so I think that like part of it, like that kind of ability to learn about that phenomenon. And also like, you know, just like being something that had like, crazy stunts and crazy rigs and I mean.

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Speaker 1
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I can't imagine that's like, probably kind of scary in itself, like doing these like, you know, like.

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I mean, there was like it was like being in a full-blown roller coaster. Like some of the scenes were wild. Like there was one sequence, which is just like such a sick action sequence where it's all done on a one-er. With all these camera whips. And so we were doing it in pieces, and then they whipped the camera, so it looks like it's all happening for real. So you travel with the characters, like as a tornado is coming and they go down into this pool and then you come back out. And the whole world has been flattened.

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And so it's like, it looks like, it's like it's all in a one-er. It was like they were dropping horse trailers at us, like people being like, pulled up on wires, whoa. I was like, this is, this is mad, that this is a genre.

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Speaker 1
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Fucking badass.

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[00:58:04.54 - 00:58:05.62]

It was so fun.

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Speaker 1
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Badass, you okay, you know what you being a kid and not doing any edgy shit has all been. This is your edgy shit.

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Speaker 2
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This is my edgy shit, that's edgy shit.

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Speaker 1
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Oh my God, I'm being edgy. finally, you're edgy now.

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I'm like Edgy.

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Speaker 2
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Oh my God, that's so true, yeah.

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Speaker 1
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This is giving you, like all the edgy crush. Yeah, like, I'm not kidding, because, like, being a storm chaser is actually the edgiest shit you could ever do. It's the edgiest.

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Speaker 2
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I mean, you're getting to the edge.

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You're literally on the edge, whoa, it's quite literally near death, always, it feels like with that.

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Yeah, I mean, like, definitely. When we went storm chasing, like, there was a moment where I was like, Oh, we're not in the movie like this is. Actually, I'm a bit scared.

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I would be horrified.

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Yeah, but we were in safe hands. And like, the thing with like Sean and all those chasers is they're so disciplined. And they're so like, they go as far as they know is safe. They're not like, they're not sort of driving into the into the tornadoes. But yeah, I mean, like, I also like, have so many weather facts now, which I really enjoy. Like, I love learning about whatever subject I'm like in the movie of. So, apparently, the most tornadoes a year happens in the UK.

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Speaker 1
[00:59:17.58 - 00:59:17.86]

Really.

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Yeah, the UK gets the most tornadoes a year since, when they're really little, obviously, because I've, like, never seen a tornado.

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Yeah, I've never once heard of a tornado happening there.

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No, I think they have, like, extreme tornadoes. It's like the U.S. wins by far, but like.

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Speaker 1
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In general.

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In general, the more frequent like, it's the UK.

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Speaker 1
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Isn't that weird, whoa?

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Speaker 2
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I know.

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Speaker 1
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Well, now, like now, you can look out.

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Speaker 2
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I'm going to be like the only chaser in the UK finding this tiny little EM0.

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Speaker 1
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They're so small.

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They're so cute, it's just a little leaf flurry, and I'm like, that's my edge.

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Speaker 1
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You can probably make your own there, honestly, somehow.

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Speaker 2
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That's amazing.

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Speaker 1
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I'm so fucking stoked to see it, there's something nostalgic about it, there's something like something fucking badass about it.

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Speaker 2
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Yeah, it feels like one of those, especially the way it's filmed, like it was shot on actual film. So yeah, it has this like grainy 90s, like disaster movie nostalgia. That is so much fun. Yes, and I really also like this CGI. Like I thought the original holds up, like, I think the visual effects are really impressive. But the team that did the original were working on ours and they were like, yes, we get like another chance with this new technology.

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Yes, and so like the visual effects are like, it is wild, like they look so real. I do think like the experience of watching it will be like, as good as chasing, I hope.

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Speaker 1
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Oh my God, this has been amazing. I get to talk to you all day.

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Speaker 2
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I get to talk to you all day.

1
Speaker 1
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If you ever want to come back on and talk about, God knows what, just know that I'm here. Oh, thank you. this was awesome, so lovely. I'll talk to you soon.

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Thanks for having me.

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