Couldn’t Have Done It Without Me
2024-07-18 00:19:58
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Hi Etta, welcome to Conan, O'Brien needs a fan.
Hello, Etta.
Hi, I'm really excited to be here.
How are you Etta?
I'm doing well, I'm doing super well.
Where are you right now?
It's really hot.
Where are you?
I'm in Los Angeles.
Oh, yes, well, then I can confirm it really is hot, it is too hot. I like your space that you're in, that looks very cool and sort of inviting.
Is this a special nook in your house apartment? What's going on?
No, this is my bedroom.
Oh, very cool. I like the lights you have hanging and it looks like you've got some cool. I don't know. Doesn't that look like a place where you could meditate? Yeah, I like the organization, I love the lights, I like that door. Thank you, yeah.
Thank you, you got a shout out for J Dilla donuts going on your shirt. Yeah, I just wanted to repeat that, so that maybe you get some free donuts.
What's that? It's an album.
It's a hip hop producer.
That's a producer, yeah, oh, it's a dead hip hop producer. And I thought I was going to get you Etta, I thought I was getting you free donuts. And now I come across as the most out of touch old man ever.
Oh, I want to check out these J Dilla donuts. I wonder if they have coconut.
You had no, Eduardo, you stepped in and I'm not feeling well.
Can I get a meeting with Dr. Dre?
He also died in, like, the early 2000s, so he's not really like new.
OK, listen, etta, etta. What you're doing right now is piling on. It's very rude.
And we like it.
When other pack animals attack Conan, it's common for others twisting the knife. Yeah, you just jump in there. Tell us a little bit about yourself, Etta.
Well, I am a trans woman, I work in a detox and a sober living that caters to the LGBT community. And I'm from Oklahoma, but I moved to Tucson and then moved here.
Ok.
Yeah.
Did you get involved in all of this because you had your own struggles with addiction?
Yes, yes. So I have been trying to get sober for about six years, that's why I moved to Tucson. I went to a treatment center in Prescott, Arizona, like northern Arizona, and was planning on staying there for a three month program.
And I stayed there for two years because I left and was going to go back to Oklahoma. But my friend who I met in treatment was like, I could get you a place to stay in Tucson if you want. And I was like, OK, all right. So I went to Tucson and was there for two years.
How did the your? that was your? You said, six years, you seem really young, so how?
I am 26.
OK, so so you've been working on this since you were 20, trying to since I was 19 since.
You were 19.
I have a year and a half, almost a year and a half sober.
Congratulations, nice job, that is amazing, thank you. I think that is.
And do you mind sharing with us what was it, the substances that you were, or substance that you were struggling with?
So first I did, I mean, I started smoking weed when I was like 14.
I did that, I hated it. I absolutely hated it, did it every day for seven years and hated every second of it.
And then when I was like, maybe like when I was when I was around 19, I got to get up.
And smoke this weed, what a strange thing to say.
Did you have a job smoking weed?
Yeah, I worked at the weed factory, I was the weed inspector, yeah.
No, I was the weed tester.
Uh huh.
Cool.
Someone who wishes, I know I would take that.
When I was in high school, I realized I was homeschooled and it was really, really hard for me to fit in. I started school in middle school and I realized pretty soon that people weren't going to. People didn't like me for me because I was super weird. And I realized that if I did really outrageous things, people would want to be around me just because I was entertaining. So it started with, like, getting in trouble in school a lot.
And then doing drugs was, like, seemed like a logical way to do that. So I didn't actually do drugs because I liked them. At first, I just did it because I could be like, the weird druggy kid.
In a way, it almost feels like it insulates you kind of.
Yeah, yeah, it was like I just leaned into being weird, because I was like, I'm going to be weird either way. So it was like, if I'm doing it on purpose, then I have like, a, um, I can say it's intentional.
Yeah, and then what did you? I'm guessing you graduated from weed to something else?
Yep, so after that it was, um, like opioids like hydrocodone and oxycontin, pharmaceuticals and xanax. I had a thing with Xanax for about two months. I did really 10 milligrams a day for two months, which if you know anything about Xanax is a lot. Um, two milligrams is the maximum prescribed dose. So I pretty much lost two months of my life.
Um, just don't remember really much at all. And then, um, I went from that to oxycontin, and then from that to heroin, and then from heroin to fentanyl. I did fentanyl for about two years.
And you've been again, you said, you've been clean for a year and a half.
Yep.
Off fentanyl.
Yes.
That is incredibly. I mean, uh, just what little I know is that. That is a remarkable achievement and so I'm really impressed. I'm really impressed that you were able to do that. Because all I've heard is that it's these. Opioids are a thousand times stronger than heroin, and that's a drug that people struggled with, you know, to to get off of. So you should, you should really pat yourself on the back.
Um, I, yeah, I, I, I can't, cause I have a rotator, a torn rotator, cuff, so I just have to tell myself I'm great. Um, but, uh, that is absolutely, uh, what an amazing achievement. And you know, anything I know about this, uh, about addiction, is that this is something you've got to go at every day, right? This is it's not just well. I took care of that and now I don't have to think about it again.
Uh, this is something you, the commitment you have to make every day when you wake up.
It is, yeah.
I went like the really hard way and took six years. And um, when I first started doing heroin, I was like, this is fun, it's cool and edgy, being like my, being like a rock star. But then I'm just going to stop and you know, it'll be fine. And little did I know that's not really how, um addiction works.
Um, yeah, but honestly, I mean, I think, um, you know, there's no way to know. But I feel like I am a stronger, better person now for having overcome that than I would have been if I had never done it.
So I'm grateful for the, I mean, first of all, I'm glad you're here, I'm glad you're alive. Because there are plenty of people that don't do not survive that. And um, you seem like a remarkably cool, nice person, so I'm just thrilled that you made it through that. And I think it's for people listening. It's really important for them to know there are a lot of people out there struggling and we're struggling with addiction. And to be listening and think, Hey, wait a minute, Etta did this, and maybe I can do this.
And um, you know, I'm, I'm just I'm. I'm blown away by the what it must, the resilience and struggle that it must take to to get through this. It's very cool.
Thank you, yeah, I appreciate it. It was really hard today, you know? It's not like I go much longer periods of time where I don't think about it and I don't think about, like, using. But um, that's, uh, that's risky in its own way, because it, like you said, it is something that I have to, like, maintain every day.
And I'm kind of in a place like I've been talking to people recently about how I'm kind of in a place where I feel like I could get by for a couple months right now. Like, just on inertia and just like, stop doing everything that I do for my recovery. But it wouldn't last more than like a month or two. And with the way drugs are right now, like, I mean, the last, the last, uh, like three out of the last four times. I, um, relapsed. I was, um, narcan'd, cause I overdosed, and then one of the most recent ones I did not get narcan, and I survived by a miracle. And I've actually been, I've been narcan'd by homeless people on the street in Los Angeles on two non-consecutive occasions.
My life was saved by.
I want to tell people that this anyone who doesn't know, I'm sure most people do know, but um, it's. It's really incredible. There's this program now, and I know that my kids have been educated in this too through their schools. Like, they're trying to get everyone to have narcan on them. Because there are so many people that are succumbing to these opioids that they want to train you in how to use the narcan. If someone looks like they're OD'ing and the fact that you are just lying in the street in Los Angeles.
Yep, yep, they saved your life, yeah.
Saved my life.
Do you ever wonder? And this is really getting deep and we don't have to go there, but it's clear later on, and I'm sure this is a big part of recovery. Is trying to figure out when people use it to maybe not deal with something or hide from some kind of pain. And you talked about feeling like an outsider growing up. Do you think that's the kind of? Was that what this was about? do you think was trying to avoid, or is that just too easy? Is that, is that too easy to say?
That is often the case, that is very often the case. Um, I think, like with the opioid epidemic, there's been more people who just get prescribed them because of a sports injury. And then, but for the most part, like the people that I know it is, and because I. So. I work in a, like, I said, in a treatment center that caters to the LGBT community, and it's very, very bad in in the LGBT community.
Um, why is that? do you think?
The discrimination, for sure. Um, there's a lot of, uh, LGBT homeless people, and um, homelessness. Often, either drug addiction can lead to homelessness or vice versa. Um, so that's a big thing. And then also there's a lot of meth use in the LGBT community, which I was really surprised when I came here, because, like Oklahoma, I thought of meth as being kind of like the Hillbilly drug.
Um, but here, and in a lot of places, because sex is so, is often like a very heavy thing for LGBT people because of, like, discrimination. And meth is a very, very strong aphrodisiac. So I've talked to a lot of particularly gay men who say they were unable to feel comfortable having sex until they started doing meth. So that's caused a lot of pain in the LGBT community.
That's fascinating. I mean, I had no idea that's, I mean, it's, uh. It's sad to think of so many people who are so unhappy. You know, and you talk about, and you talk about when you were a kid, feeling like you were an outsider, you know, feeling like, Uh, you didn't. I mean, to be honest, uh, it's. It's very hard to get through, uh, early adolescence and adolescence without feeling like, actually, I think Sona, you probably felt, uh, I always think of Sona as someone who always probably felt pretty cool. I know I definitely felt, but I did not. I think it's probably no surprise I've. I've built my entire comedic career on letting people know that I was quite. I just didn't know how I fit into the whole, uh, puzzle for a long time.
And so, uh, that's, um, and like I say, everyone has that in different degrees, but that's that's really where I don't know I can. I can very much relate to people that are just trying to figure that out and feeling, you know, like an outsider.
Yeah, it's hard, and for me, like I like, I said, I was homeschooled, so starting school in sixth grade was really hard. In public school, I went to, like an art school, so it wasn't as bad as it could have been, but um, it was really hard.
And then adding onto that my gender and being a trans girl who didn't? I didn't really know that I was, and I didn't know why. I, like, didn't feel okay with myself until I was, like, much older. Um, so yeah, I mean, like, I said it, um. It started as just like a way to get people to think. I was like, crazy and like, cool. But it pretty quickly turned, especially when I started using like stronger substances, it pretty quickly turned into like, wow. I feel comfortable for the first time ever in my life.
Yeah.
And it's a it's a powerful thing.
Yep.
That's, yeah.
What do you? Uh, what's your day today? then? what are you going to? Or you say that you're working, uh, at a treatment? is it a? is it a residential treatment facility?
Yeah, it's a detox center and residential.
So so what's your day? What are you going to be doing today?
Well, today I am going to be playing a shit ton of video games, cause I'm off.
You know, I just think, you know this. I really admired you at a up until you said that. And then I was like, No, I'm kidding, you're doing exactly what my son, what my son would be doing.
My son, anytime there's downtime is like, Well, I'll see you in nine hours. I've got some games to play, so, uh so you'll be playing a lot of video games today.
Yeah, but tomorrow I will be working, and um, it's a, it's a. It's a great job, it's really intense. Um, I, uh, I do um rounds, that's like the biggest part of my job.
I have to know and write down exactly where all of the clients are at. Um, every 15 minutes for the first 24 hours, then every 30 minutes, every hour for residential clients, 30 minutes for detox. So I have to walk around and write it down. It's not that hard because, um, it's a really small facility, it's just a house, and um, there's only six clients max. So, um, it's not too bad, but it's very important that I do it because it's a state regulation.
And if I'm even a minute late, that could be like a ding against the center. So, um, it's a lot of responsibility. And then besides that, I just like, I tidy up. I make sure everybody gets up on time and go to groups. Uh, not go to groups, but make sure everybody goes to groups except me. And um, then I go home.
I hear you playing video games in the next room, get in there and patch this out.
What kind of video games are you guys picturing right now? I'm the guy that thought J. Dilla Donuts was an actual donuts place, so don't give me shit.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
Welcome to Corgar. You have found the Gorgle stone. Is that what you wanted to hear? I'm sorry is I were there. Are they playing pong in your mind?
I mean, like, do you think she's just sort of like sitting there playing Atari games? I don't know, I don't know. Etta, you're much cooler than I will ever be, so I should just stop talking.
You seem to know what's going on.
Um.
Etta I'm, uh, I know it's, it's weird thing to say, cause I don't know you, but I'm I'm proud of you. I really am. I think you've your journey when you describe, uh, I mean, coming from Oklahoma, and just just your. What you've managed to overcome and all the work you've done, finding your way is incredibly impressive. And you have, you have shown an incredible amount of resilience and strength and courage, and you should be very, very proud of yourself. It's very cool.
Thank you, I appreciate that I am, I mean, I I think, the community and um, the program that I work. Um, I owe that a lot of credit. But I also, you know, couldn't have done it without me. You know, I had to be, I had to do a lot of work, and um, I had to do, you know, I had to be willing, so thank you.
I am really proud of my what I where I've gotten.
Well, have any? uh, have an amazing day. yeah, have a really good day. Enjoy playing pong. Space invaders, asteroids, uh, uh, Ms. Pac-man, which is I think the latest game to come out.
Um, and I'm going to do my best to try and make it at least into the early two thousands in my education about video games. Uh, so cool, so cool to meet you Etta.
Thank you really, really, really excited to meet you too.
All right, you take care bye-bye.
Thank you, thanks, bye-bye.
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