Episode 10: Where Are They Now?

Back in 96, Atlanta was booming with excitement around hosting the Centennial Olympic Games. And then, a deranged zealot willing to kill for a cause lit a fuse that would change my life and so many others, forever, rippling out for generations.

Listen to Flashpoint on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fischer, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. In 2001,. police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness.

Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police.

and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fischer. Do you recognize my voice?

Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

In 2020, in a small California mountain town, five women disappeared. I found out what happened to all of them, except one, a woman known as Dia, whose estate is worth millions of dollars. I'm Lucy Sheriff. Over the past four years, I've spoken with Dia's family and friends, and I've discovered that everyone has a different version of events. Hear the story on Where's Dia.

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I first got the tip about the incident at the Hotel Constance back in the spring of 2016.

. Eventually, I learned about Carmen Fugliofito, the dean of the medical school at USC, and the young woman who OD'd there, Sarah Warren. Eight years later, many things have changed, but others have not.

I'm Paul Pringle. This is Fallen Angels, Episode 10.. In this final installment of our show, I'll revisit some of the people and places. we've talked about, a kind of epilogue.

George Tindall, the former gynecologist at USC's Student Health Clinic, was arrested by the LAPD in June of 2019.

. He was charged with more than 30 felonies. When I last interviewed survivors, Lucy Chee and Audrey Nassiger, in the summer of 2023, Tindall had still not gone to trial. He was living at home under house arrest. I periodically check in with Lucy and Audrey on what's happened since.

Well, George Tindall has died, and he died before the LADA even bothered to get us closer to trial, and that was a huge disappointment because none of us got justice. And it was quite a delay. The story ran in May of 2018, and he died five years later, and nothing had happened in the meantime. He was arrested and charged, but no trial. And he was free.

He was out on bail and living his life. It's pretty unheard of in the criminal law for a case to take five years. Even a murder case usually is tried before that. It's very obvious that the authorities slow walked this case. Lucy, how did you feel when you heard the news of Tindall's death?

I was getting ready to go to court. We were trying to set the first court date, and then I got a message that they were postponing the court date because Tindall had died, and that the next court date would be to dismiss the case and dismiss the trial. And I was so devastated. Did you speak to each other about this? when you heard the news?

Lucy texted me right away, and it wasn't 100% confirmed yet, but we started talking immediately about what had happened and how we were going to go to court and tell the court how we felt about this and let other survivors know, so we could get a group together and just let everybody know. The district attorney had in their hands homemade videotapes that Dr. Tindall made of himself performing sexual acts on women in the Philippines and telling them during the acts, this is what I do to my patients.

So that's just one of many things the police recovered from him. that are the smoking gun evidence. He knew what he was doing was wrong, so there's no way he wanted a trial. He escaped justice by dying. He got to live in his home the entire time and spent just a couple of days in jail.

In some ways, he beat this case. As far as for him, he beat it. There are no plans to prosecute anyone else, as far as you know, in the Tindall matter? Detectives didn't ask any questions about anyone else and their complicity or any of the people that paid him off, any of the authorities. And so there will be no further investigation.

as far as I can tell. Audrey and I spoke with one of the people that was investigating the case for the DA's office, and they indicated that they wanted to do the case differently and that their hands were tied. I have a profound sense of frustration with the criminal justice system, where I have now worked this month for 30 years, and it's just so frustrating to be on the victim's side of a horrific crime and to see how justice can be completely not achieved, not attained, and because the authorities didn't want justice. If they wanted this case to get resolved, they would have pushed it forward, and they didn't. And I think they got the result that they wanted.

He was old. And I was concerned about him dying from the minute they filed this case. And they drugged their heels. at every turn. I've been trying to look on the bright side of things.

I've made lifelong friendships because of this. There's some silver lining, but it is very disheartening. We did get a lot done. We got a lot of legislation passed. We built a lot of friendships.

We worked on some, I call them the naughty doctor bills, so that the institutions must report to their governing boards that once a doctor has been reprimanded, he or she must provide written materials to every patient walking in the door. We moved the ball down the field in that. There's more room that can be done, for sure, for accountability. And lifting the statute of limitations for survivors of university sexual assault, that was one of the biggest bills that we helped storm the Capitol in Sacramento and march around and tell our stories and got that bill passed through legislation and signed by the governor. And that was huge.

And actually, that similar bill that passed in New York is what allowed E.

J. Carroll to sue Donald Trump. I hope it changed the culture in the nation, too. I hope that people seeing E.J. Carroll get her measure of justice will help women everywhere and the next generation to realize that people believe women, people believe victims now, finally.

It started with a backpack at the 1996 Centennial Olympic Games. A backpack that contained a bomb. While the authorities focused on the wrong suspect, a serial bomber planned his next attacks. Two abortion clinics and a lesbian bar.

But this isn't his story. It's a human story. One that I've become entangled with. I saw, as soon as I turned the corner, basically someone bleeding out. The victims of these brutal attacks were left to pick up the pieces, forced to explore the gray areas between right and wrong, life and death.

Their once ordinary lives, and mine, changed forever. It kind of gave me a feeling of pending doom. And all the while, our country found itself facing down a long and ugly reckoning with a growing threat. Far right, homegrown, religious terrorism. Listen to Flashpoint on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I don't want snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog, Blue. All I could think of is him going to sniper me out of some tree.

But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation.

I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher.

One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house to hunt family annihilation today and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories. First-hand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind.

Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality, after your entire world is flipped upside down. From unbelievable romantic betrayals. The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family. When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath.

Financial betrayal. This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me.

Listen to Betrayal weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the summer of 2020, in the small mountain town of Idyllwild, California, five women disappeared in the span of just a few months. Eventually, I found out what happened to the women, all except one. A woman named Lydia Abrams, known as Dia. Her friends and family ran through endless theories.

Was she hurt hiking? Did she run away? Had she been kidnapped? I'm Lucy Sherriff. I've been reporting this story for four years, and I've uncovered a tangled web of manipulation, estranged families, and greed.

Everyone, it seems, has a different version of events. Hear the story on Where's Dia, my new podcast from Pushkin Industries and iHeart Podcasts. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

As for Carmen Pugliafito, to this day, he has never faced any criminal charges. Besides getting fired by USC, the only real consequence Pugliafito has faced is losing his medical license, and he's been busy trying to get it reinstated.

Maybe a year or two ago, I was contacted by a California medical board, and they have a criminal investigative division that reached out to me. That's Miriam Jones, Dora Yoder's sister. Dora is the young woman in Pugliafito's circle whose baby died. And it was a particular detective who asked me some questions. She said that Pugliafito was attempting to regain his medical license.

She wanted to see if there was any information I had to prevent him from getting his license that would help her case against him. And I told her to contact Dora's landlord and see if he is still getting his payments from Pugliafito. Pugliafito is still paying for all of my sister's bills because my sister still lives there, and I know that because I drive by her house sometimes and check to see if she's still there. The detective reached out to the landlord of my sister's apartment, and yes, he is getting his usual rent from Pugliafito every single month, and even told her that he sees him there on a regular basis, physically at her house. So the medical board denied him his license because part of the agreement for him to get it back is obviously he can't be on drugs, and he can't have contact with Dora because she's on drugs.

And so then he didn't get his license back. It was denied. The medical board of California rejected Pugliafito's petition to reinstate his license in January of 2023.. The ruling was based in part on the findings that Pugliafito had tested positive four times for use of meth or heroin in the past three years. The judge who presided over the medical board hearing didn't buy Pugliafito's claim that the test results were false positives or that they came from, quote, environmental exposure.

Miriam Jones continues to plead with the L.

A. County Sheriff's Department and the DA's office to do something to help her sister escape Pugliafito's influence.

As for the Warren family, for a while, it seemed they had broken Pugliafito's toxic hold on Sarah and the grip of her drug addiction. The family moved back to Texas and worked hard to rebuild their lives. I often spoke to Sarah. She remained frustrated that Pugliafito was never prosecuted, but she was also trying to move on. Because of a restrictive NDA that USC required them to sign, Paul and Miriam Warren believe they can't talk about anything related to the Pugliafito case.

But they can speak generally about their family and their children and what happened after the return to Texas. When she came, she was with us. And then she went and got an apartment. And then she came home. And yeah, for, oh gosh, I guess seven months.

And we were overjoyed to have her back. And she was working, I think, waiting tables. And she brought her two cats home. And Charles was enrolled at the, what's it called, Lone Star? Yeah, so it's kind of a community college, feeders.

So yeah, the two of them like, spent a lot of time together.

And we're out in the movie room. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. And they went out to eat a lot, and, you know, just, they were having a really good time.

Some bowling too. They bowled. So they liked that. And Charles had a girlfriend and Sarah actually liked her. Because she never liked any of his girlfriends, but she liked this one.

So that was good.

But in the end, the devastating power of addiction overwhelmed the Warren family.

On February 4th, 2023, at the age of 27,, Sarah Warren died at the family home outside Houston.

The cause of death was acute pancreatitis due to chronic alcoholism. Then, on May 26th, just four months after Sarah's death, Charles passed away. His cause of death was also due to chronic alcoholism. He was 24..

It was primarily alcohol. They probably smoked a little weed. But it was alcohol. And they just didn't have a good handle on it. And I know, again, you two did everything you could to try to help them get out from under that addiction.

Absolutely. Rehabs. Oh my gosh. It didn't stick. It just didn't stick.

Somehow, I think Charles gave up when Sarah wasn't around. Yeah, when she, yeah. I think so too. Just kind of gave up.

Sarah and Charles' brave decision to go on the record is what finally cost Poliofido his medical license and his association with USC. It's why he's no longer in a position to hurt people while collecting a million dollar salary. Devon Kahn, the whistleblower who first brought the LA Times the tip from the hotel Constance, shares what Sarah's loss means to him. A part of me feels that all of the work that I did and everything that Paul did to dig at the truth was wasted because ultimately she unfortunately passed. The solace that I held onto was that I saved that girl's life.

And to hear that she passed, unfortunately, it's just a shame. And just my knowledge of drug abuse and the devastation that it wreaks on people. If someone's badly addicted to drugs, it'll make them do things that, you know, they would never, ever normally do. And I knew that Sarah was in that situation because of the drugs.

So, yeah, it hit me on a special level.

Don Stokes, the Huntington Beach DJ who dated Sarah briefly, also went on the record with the LA Times about what he witnessed with Poliofido. Don likes to think of the Sarah he knew, the young woman with so much promise. Her smile could light up a room.

Her eyes dazzled like the tide pools in Laguna Beach on a sunny day.

And there was a certain spark about her that it couldn't be captivated, you know?

I miss her.

My sincerest apologies to Mary and her husband, but I pray for their souls.

Lots of great memories, you know, and that's where we choose to put our energies and not dwell on something that's, you know, horrific. that's happened to our family. It's hard. It's very hard, but we choose to look at the positives because we can't do anything about it, you know? And you can only cry so much over it.

We choose to look at the positive and remember them in a significant way when they were well.

Well, Sarah was very smart. She was always in the gifted classes and making straight A's. She was very effervescent and bubbly. She loved the animals. We sent her to Montessori School.

They put together a Christmas social, and Sarah walks out there and felt the solo song. And everybody's like looking over and says, Oh my God, you got Britney Spears on your hand.

He was very athletic, and he loved the skateboard. He would like skateboard over like 10 steps or something. It was crazy. He was just the kid that was always outside and always, always had friends and always doing something that was physical, generally. Oh, he had a sense of humor, too.

He was very funny, wouldn't you say? And the two of them had a fantastic relationship, really were just thick as thieves, the two of them.

It started with a backpack at the 1996 Centennial Olympic Games, a backpack that contained a bomb. While the authorities focused on the wrong suspect, a serial bomber planned his next attacks, two abortion clinics and a lesbian bar.

But this isn't his story. It's a human story, one that I've become entangled with. I saw, as soon as I turned the corner, basically someone bleeding out. The victims of these brutal attacks were left to pick up the pieces, forced to explore the gray areas between right and wrong, life and death. Their once ordinary lives, and mine, changed forever.

It kind of gave me a feeling of pending doom. And all the while, our country found itself facing down a long and ugly reckoning with a growing threat. Far right, homegrown, religious terrorism. Listen to Flashpoint on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona.

And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. In 2001,. police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids.

And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down.

They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is, you're going to sniper me out of some tree? But not me.

Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave.

Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.

Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house. The hunt. Family annihilation. Today.

And a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories. First-hand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind.

Stories about regaining a sense of safety. A handle on reality after your entire world is flipped upside down. From unbelievable romantic betrayals... The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family.

When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal. This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me.

Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the summer of 2020, in the small mountain town of Idlewild, California, five women disappeared in the span of just a few months. Eventually, I found out what happened to the women. All except one. A woman named Lydia Abrams, known as Dia.

Her friends and family ran through endless theories. Was she hurt, hiking? Did she run away? Had she been kidnapped? I'm Lucy Sheriff.

I've been reporting this story for four years, and I've uncovered a tangled web of manipulation, estranged families, and greed. Everyone, it seems, has a different version of events. Hear the story on Where's Dia, my new podcast from Pushkin Industries, an iHeart podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

After pressuring the Board of Trustees to force Max Nikias out, the USC faculty expected the university would make a real effort to end the long run of scandals. The corrupt culture that had allowed people like Poliofido and Tyndall to do what they did, while the administration looked the other way. They've been disappointed. This was a leadership problem. It was not a culture among students.

It was not a culture among faculty. It was a culture at the top. A culture of secrecy, centralization, cover-up. Dr. Ariella Gross, formerly a professor at USC, has since joined the faculty at UCLA.

I don't think it's a secret, right, how you could improve your processes to bring more sunshine in, but they did not want to do that. Let's make the way we choose deans and other administrators more like the way they do it at a public school. Let's get more transparency. Let's get more faculty governance. Let's get more accountability.

And those things went nowhere. The board immediately reneged on the promises to release the report. Dr. Gross is referring to the results of USC's internal investigations into the administration's handling of Poliofido and Tyndall. The trustees, led at the time by real estate tycoon Rick Caruso, had promised to make the findings public.

That promise has been broken. The lawyers, the people that signed off the $200,000 hush money payment, the names of the people that approved that were ever released. They clearly knew what was going on. Here's Audrey again. She's referring to the Tyndall severance money.

We've got problems with the chairman of the board. He said he released the report, never did. How can you improve if you don't show what really happened? The trustees' decision not to release the reports became an issue when Rick Caruso ran for mayor of Los Angeles in 2022.. Here he is at the KNX News mayoral debate, fielding questions from skeptical voters.

The reason we didn't release the report, we talked to experts, many of them, that said releasing any information is just going to cause more horrific pain to those that have been terribly, terribly wounded. So we chose not to do it. for that reason. I have a quick question. But the LA Times later learned that Caruso, under oath in a secret deposition for the Tyndall civil suit, gave a different reason for burying the findings.

It was not a concern for the victims. It was because USC's lawyers told them to.

It's hard to escape the reality that there's some very powerful and influential people on the board of directors at USC. And I'm sure, when this came to light, the full scope of the problem, that there were many discussions with people on the board and people high up in the administration. I think people were afraid of being held to account, going to jail, having their reputations besmirched. There's lots of reasons that the university wouldn't want that information out there. The message isn't, tell.

The message is, shut up. Cindy Gilbert, the nursing supervisor, certainly got the message. After she reported Tyndall to the Rape Crisis Center, the university rescinded the promotion she'd been promised. The university's HR department accused her of making an inappropriate remark to a coworker. None of this struck Cindy as a coincidence.

Fearing it would never end, she resigned in July of 2017.

Dr. Jane Jun, who helped lead the faculty effort to oust Nikias, also faced blowback after she appeared in a student documentary about Tyndall called Breach of Trust. I swore in the video. I think I said BS or hell or damn, or something like that. They investigated me for a year.

And they found that I had violated the faculty handbook for swearing. To which I said, are you fucking kidding me? I'm joking. And so I got investigated after that came out. It was obviously absurd.

But you know what? That's retaliation, right? It's probably going to happen again. But it's worth it. It's worth it.

Somebody has to say it. The whistleblowers at USC may feel that speaking out cost them. But at the LA Times, our investigative work was eventually honored and encouraged. In April of 2019, the reporting on Tyndall by Matt Hamilton, Harriet Ryan, and me won the Pulitzer Prize for investigative journalism. Everyone in the newsroom was gathered around us.

It was very surreal because ultimately, this is a story about sexual assault and sexual abuse. And it's very head-spinning to be celebrating the revelation of that and reporting around that. Reporter, Matt Hamilton. I recognized that it was bigger than us as well. It was a validation of what the newspaper had done, of what a team of people, editors, reporters, researchers, copy editors, photographers.

It's a validation of that collaboration. I was able to see our work differently and the cumulative effect of these incremental stories and the cumulative effect of just day in and day out reporting on the university and Dr. Tyndall for, by that point, years. I felt proud and really glad to be with Paul and Harriet there. I was thinking about all the doors we knocked on and particular people who could have turned us away, who maybe the smart thing was to turn us away, but had let us into their homes and had told us the truth.

And they did so at a risk to their jobs. And I guess I was just sort of amazed at them. Reporter, Harriet Ryan. The thing with the Tyndall case is that the victims were the patients, but often the patients didn't realize what had happened to them, how bad it was. And they didn't realize that it happened to hundreds or thousands of other people.

But the people that worked in the clinic, who had to witness it, they knew it every day, several times a day, and they were their own kind of victims. So I was thinking about those people and I just, it was very emotional. I believe that Pulitzer also belongs to our colleagues Sarah Parvini and Adam Nomarek, in recognition of their great work on the polio-fetal investigation, the story that led us to Tyndall. So many more pieces of thread were coming loose after that initial investigation. Reporter Sarah Parvini.

And eventually there's the investigation that Paul and Matt and Harriet got a Pulitzer for. Learned that investigations beget investigations.

In July 2022, Macmillan published my book, Bad City, Peril and Power in the City of Angels. It tells the untold stories behind the story of polio-fetal and Tyndall, as well as what happened at my own newspaper. Seven months before it was published, as I got close to finishing the manuscript, I gave all three former LA Times editors an opportunity to respond to my reporting for the book. They turned me down and instead hired lawyers and threatened lawsuits. I had no doubt that they hoped to stop publication of Bad City, or at minimum, censor the portions of the book that were critical of them.

I found it extraordinary that they would engage in what I saw as their own personal pursuit of journalistic prior restraint. Two words that define the mortal enemy of the First Amendment. Nothing those editors or their lawyers have claimed has refuted anything in Bad City. The same is true for the attacks the editors leveled on the book, me, and my colleagues after publication. Devon Maharaj, Mark Duvison, and Matt Doig continue to deny that they did anything wrong in their handling of the USC investigation.

And as for Carmen Pugliafito and Max Nikias, they never granted me an interview under any circumstances.

The LA Times newsroom has seen other big changes since we first started reporting on Pugliafito. In February 2018, the billionaire biotech entrepreneur, Dr. Patrick Soon-Shion, announced that he was buying the LA Times from Tronc. Patrick and his wife, Michelle, saved the paper from certain death as a first-rate news organization.

Patrick Soon-Shion kind of swoops in as this savior for the paper. That's Joe Pompeo, media correspondent for Vanity Fair. For all intents and purposes, it seems like what a lot of struggled news organizations wish for, which is a very rich individual who can kind of come in, reset the place, and take some losses because they have a lot of money to do that, but also has ambition to make this a real business. Harriet and reporter Adam Elmarek felt the same way. I feel like it's a little bit of a fairy tale, in some ways, like forcing out the bad management and then forming a union and then getting a billionaire to buy the paper, a billionaire who is like a benevolent figure who's invested lots and lots of money in us.

I feel really lucky to work at the LA Times. And stay at night. As far as the atmosphere of the newsroom, the kind of newspaper that we are, look, nobody's perfect. No ownership is a perfect situation. That's just life, right?

But at least now I have not once felt like we're doing something for the wrong reasons or we don't have the right mission in mind. Dr. Soon-Shion went on a hiring spree, adding about 150 journalists to the newsroom. But since then, the cost of supporting journalism has only gotten steeper. All across the media industry, we've seen significant layoffs and other cuts, including at the Times, where annual losses were in the tens of millions of dollars.

Here's Joe Pompeo again. This current season of layoffs and contraction in the industry, I think, definitely felt to some people like the worst it's been since this was happening back in 2008 with the crash and the recession, when things really started to nosedive in the media industry. And hundreds and hundreds of journalists put out of work, relatively few jobs available and probably more people than ever trying to apply for those jobs. It does feel like a moment where, if you ever were going to consider finding a more lucrative field to be in, this might be the thing that pushes you over the edge. Even with the layoffs, the Times remains by far the largest news operation this side of the Potomac, and the soon shown family says it remains committed to the paper, which has won five more Pulitzers since Tyndall.

So I find there is still much to be hopeful about, especially when it comes to investigative journalism. Often, those types of big swing investigations that end up resulting in a 5,000 word expose, that's not just something that is holding the powerful to account or exposing wrongdoing. It's also generally those types of stories which are generating the most interest among readers and therefore also tend to be the ones that make people want to subscribe to a place like the LA Times. So I don't think that investigative journalism is necessarily the first obvious thing to go, even though it is kind of one of the more expensive things to sustain in a newsroom. Harriet shares my view.

I'm feeling depressed about journalism, but the thing about investigative journalism is it's supposed to tell people something that they don't know and they actually can't find online. It can't be replaced by AI, that's the whole point of investigative journalism. So I feel like it's very powerful still, and maybe it would be like one of the last things standing in journalism would be investigative journalism.

In so many cases, investigative journalism does not happen without brave people like the Warrens, the folks who often risk everything just to get the truth out. Of course, the risk is even greater when they speak the truth on the record in clear public view, knowing there could be a terrible price to pay. Sarah and Charles Warren did that, and their courage set in motion a series of events that brought down powerful people who needed to be brought down. Of all the names you've heard in this story, I hope theirs are the ones you remember.

Again, I'm Paul Pringle. Thanks for listening to Fallen Angels, a story of California corruption. I'm still an investigative reporter for The Times and I hope you continue to support local journalism in LA and elsewhere.

Fallen Angels, a story of California corruption, is a production of iHeart Podcast in partnership with Best Case Studios. I'm Paul Pringle. This show is based on my book, Bad City, Peril and Power in the City of Angels. Fallen Angels was written by Isabel Evans, Adam Pincus, and Brent Katz. Isabel Evans is our producer.

Brent Katz is co-producer. Associate producers are Hannah Leibowitz, Lockard and Anpaho Locke. Executive producers are me, Paul Pringle, Joe Piccarello, and Adam Pincus for Best Case Studios. Original music is by James Newberry. This episode was edited by Max Michael Miller with assistance from Nisha Venkat.

Additional editing, sound design, and additional music by Dean White. Harriet Ryan, Matt Hamilton, Sarah Parvini, and Adam Elmarek are consulting producers. Our iHeart team is Allie Perry and Carl Kadle. Follow and rate Fallen Angels wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Back in 96, Atlanta was booming with excitement around hosting the Centennial Olympic Games. And then, a deranged zealot willing to kill for a cause lit a fuse that would change my life and so many others, forever. Rippling out for generations.

Listen to Flashpoint on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Hello, I'm Robert Fisher. In 2001,, Police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode.

Before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues.

I'm gonna call the police. and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher, Do you recognize my voice?

Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

In 2020, in a small California mountain town, five women disappeared. I found out what happened to all of them, except one. A woman known as Dia, whose estate is worth millions of dollars. I'm Lucy Sheriff. Over the past four years, I've spoken with Dia's family and friends, and I've discovered that everyone has a different version of events.

Hear the story on Where's Dia? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.