"Jeremy Renner"

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Are you really eating just almonds for breakfast?

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Hey, Cool Dad. Cool Dad, you got the long-sleeve shirt on underneath the short-sleeve shirt today.

Yeah, very 90s.

It's a very- it's a cold day for-.

So then, why don't you just wear a long- I don't have a long-sleeve golf shirt.

No, I don't have a long-sleeve golf shirt. So I have this and I have- and if I want to, I can take it off.

Why don't you wear your short-sleeve golf shirt and just put a sweater over the top of it? Instead of doing the Cool Dad thing.

I am. I've got a sweater and I'm going to have a shell because it's kind of rainy and it's very unusually cold for Los Angeles. That's really nice. And I'm teeing off at 1230..

Wait, Tracy bought you both golf shirts.

Did she? She did.

Yeah, they're here at the house.

Oh, great. Love her. Did she buy you anything?

She did, yes.

Driving gloves for the golf cart?

Yeah. Yeah.

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I'm playing with Paul, but guess who else?

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You're going to play five today? Yeah.

No, it's me and Paul, Dan, and Gareth.

Oh, sorry. I'm not great with math.

Evidently.

So I'm very excited. I'm doing a home game today. I'm recording from Los Angeles for the first time in a while. It feels nice. I've got a microphone on a stand now, you know, instead of a- It's just- I'm not comfortable with the New York setup.

What if you came home, you've been away for a couple weeks, and then you just looked around and you just started to notice, like, some of my stuff was there?

Yeah. Your underwear is in the sauna. Yeah. That would be awful.

That's disgusting.

And you just notice, like, Amanda's wearing, like, an oversized shirt to bed, and you're like, is that Will's shirt?

Well, you know what? We're about a minute from that.

I know.

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All right. Huge apologies to our guests. Yes. This has been much too long here for the Regis and Kathy Lee chatter. Here comes our guest.

Jer, Jer, Jer.

There he is. Look at him, go.

Hollywood's Jeremy Renner.

What's going on?

This guy's a major movie star. You guys better tighten it up. Look at that.

What's happening?

What's up, man?

I wish we were all together, actually.

I know, right?

I haven't seen some faces on the screen, but it's nice to hear you guys.

Jeremy, you know where we're all together? Right here.

In our hearts.

Right here in the heart.

I didn't see where you were pointing.

I just realized something. My breasts. I had to reboot my computer right before we started. All my questions are gone, but that's okay.

Oh, I can start. I can start.

No, yeah. You go ahead.

Yeah.

Jer, first of all.

Welcome.

Yeah, welcome. You look great. Look at the guns already. The guns, baby. I mean, crazy.

Wait, what?

Really? Yeah. I love all the positive comments. You're always so warm and thankful and grateful to your fans and everybody with all the support, with all the tragedy that you've had. And you're doing so great.

Well, yeah, you're busy. Mayor of Kingstown's out now, right? It started June 2nd, I think. Yes? It's coming out.

Coming out June 2nd. Yeah.

Well, when this airs, it'll be out. So unbelievable start to the season there, Jeremy. Yeah, way to go.

June 2nd. Oh, my goodness. Back on June 2nd, the show came out.

Yeah.

The first time I ever saw you, I just moved to Los Angeles. And I don't know if you're like, we can cut this if you don't want to talk about it. But I watched this reality show called The It Factor. The It Factor, yeah. And it was like one of the first reality shows ever.

Yeah, that was a really random thing. I actually ended up doing that show because I did Dahmer already. And we shot that movie in two weeks for like $100,000.. So you didn't know what was going to happen with this tiny little movie. So I did it to kind of promote that.

Yeah, and that we watched it. We were along for the ride with you. It was really cool. I don't know that anybody would do that today. Do you think that show would work?

I don't know. It would be hard to kind of catch that. Does anybody know when you're going to break or have any sort of break? Right.

Yeah, but I mean think about all those things over the years where they've tried to like get behind this or whatever. But to actually lock on to somebody, to an actor, and then have it pay off and actually become a big movie. Yeah, what are the odds? The odds are pretty rare.

And then, like months later, it was like Jeremy Renner. You were this huge star and have remained since. So it was really exciting.

You know, our buddy Sam Jones did a great documentary on Wilco called….

Trying to Break Your Heart.

Trying to Break Your Heart, yeah. And the cameras were with Wilco while they were making Yankee Hotel, Foxtrot or Foxtrot Hotel, whatever it is. And the label dropping them because it was too challenging to listen to. And then they went to a different label or made their own. I can't remember.

Yeah, you catch a little lightning in a bottle, you know.

Yeah, but I mean building off of that, Jeremy, I mean, buddy, watching your career just explode right out of the gate and it has not stopped yet.

Well, first of all, Hurt Locker was just phenomenal. Yeah. You know, and everything you've done since. But that was like the thing. I remember, just watching that and being like, who's this fucking dude is?

Who's this motherfucker? taking all of our jobs?

He's just crushing.

Were you always so discerning from an early age in your career to be able to pick what gave you the strength to say no to certain things and not freak out about your paycheck and your rent?

Yeah, yeah. I think that I don't know where exactly that comes from. I know for me, it was being very clear and focused on what I wanted and also what I didn't want. Early on, like I did a lot of comedy stuff. And my God, it wasn't trying to go down that road.

I thought you had Hollywood power.

But I'm living on $5 a month to eat. It's yum, yum donuts. You get 13 donut holes, 14 donut holes for 99 cents. I'm crushing those for two weeks. A donut hole a day, it's brutal, dude.

Sean's pants are getting crowded.

You know your limits, right? You know you're allowing yourself to go. It's like, all right, well, I don't have to say yes to something just for money. And so it gives me the power in the ball to say no to things.

I love that. And then Clint Barton comes along. You're like, how much?

It wasn't that much.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

So Hurt Locker happens. You get the Academy Award nomination. And is there then a waterfall of really great options for you that become somewhat problematic because you can't do them all? How do you go about picking through all the great stuff you're looking at then, after that?

I feel like the calendar filled up pretty quickly. I don't know.

What was next? Was the town next?

There's a town, yeah, was next.

Mission Impossible.

There's Mission Impossible.

And so they all got scheduled. So basically, your three, four years, five years, is booked.

Yeah, it was like four years, was jammed up. I was gone for four years.

Wow.

How did you deal with that, with being away from home, living out of a suitcase?

Well, it's actually interesting. I was kind of very excited to have the opportunities. Born was the last thing that kind of came my way. And I'd already signed on to Avengers. That's how many a decade of your life.

And, yeah, and, Jeremy, were you worried that when you make these decisions, did you ever go down there? Because I wonder if I would go like, yeah, today, I want to do it, but how am I going to feel five years from now if I'm locked in?

We don't know that. We don't know. You can consider it, right? That's all you can do is consider it. And it's like you're an idiot to say no to these things.

But at what cost?

Yeah, at what cost? That will be determined later. Yeah. And I knew I was going to miss a lot, but I knew that there was an end to it, right? Yeah, right.

You hadn't become a dad yet, right?

Yeah, I wasn't a dad yet. Yeah. So that's why I can have a really good time. Sure. I was a single guy.

He was January 8th.

And he's exactly a decade younger than me. That's so funny. So we just celebrated our birthdays together, like in a Ferrari in Abu Dhabi. Going to an F1..

That's great.

I mean, you know.

Oh, my God. Wow.

That's an episode of Will and Grace or something.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we actually shot it.

I don't know. It was a great thing. But you don't know what will come down the road. It's a wonderful blessing. And the perspective to take from that, I'd do the same thing all over again.

Yeah.

I don't have the energy to do it now. Right.

But the schedule of those huge, huge films with a lot of stunts and special effects, the budget on those allows for a much slower movement, pacing as far as knocking down pages each day. Was that a big transition for you coming from even, I would imagine, The Hurt Locker was something that was not as highly budgeted as these things. What is that like, that snail's pace? Because sometimes on those stunt films like Mission Impossible, the degree of difficulty is just astronomical. And the stunt complexity and stuff where you're only shooting, like, what the audience sees is maybe 10 seconds.

Or three weeks. Yeah, yeah. The whole Burj Khalifa.

How do you keep your focus and whatnot during that?

Well, initially I think the main difference is just craft services. Yeah. It's a bit different.

What was your favorite way in which to get in shape? Were you into the boxing? Were you into cardio? Were you into just cross-training? I'm sure it's been a bunch of things.

Yeah, yeah. I think it depends on what the role really requires. Most of them, you know, like, for instance, like the Bourne Legacy, that required the most physical. And so we had to train like all sorts of mixed martial arts and judo and all the different things, man.

Oh, my goodness.

Do you have those, like, training mishaps, where you end up getting clocked in the face by the guy or you clock somebody in the face?

I might have smashed a dude or two.

Now, when you go over to something like American Hustle or Arrival, is that it must be nice where you don't have to wait around for a bunch of stunt stuff and effect stuff and you're doing much more sort of –. well, it's a different kind of acting on those films, yeah? Did you love that transition?

Yeah, well, I mean, it's just sort of – the decision-making to do the job, you know, those are the easy ones. With great directors and great writing and great characters, you can go in with a lot more cerebral, much more emotional context. Right. Characters and a lot more people to work with. And the other ones, like from The Avengers and Bourne and all those Mission Possibles, it's much more about the stunts and the physical stuff, yeah, which is fun.

And ideally, you're sort of switching back and forth, right?

I think so. I mean, to keep it all interesting, right? I'm on the third season of Mirror of Kingstown, right? I've never done that before. Repeated the same character.

And the pace of that, though, is much faster, right? Oh, it's nuts, right? That's enjoyable, that there's momentum, yeah?

Yeah, yeah. It's something interesting about it. There's a controlled chaos in television. today, especially. We're shooting – we shoot like a film, like a 10-hour film, and a third of the time, you know, it's crazy.

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How were you able to struggle through the really outrageously poor direction from a guy like Ben Affleck? How did you get through the town?

Yeah, yeah, he's great, man. I remember meeting with Ben on that, and that's the first time I met him. I think my first meeting with him, sitting across, my first question to him, was like, how are you going to direct this thing and act it and star in it? Yeah. I mean, you're kind of an okay actor.

Yeah.

Don't know anything about it, right? And he's like, we're not going to do any dialect coaches. I'm like, okay, great. Well, what the fuck am I going to do then? I'm like, all right, he introduced me to a bunch of people that just got out of prison.

Oh, that's cool. That's cool.

Yeah, yeah. But if we didn't shoot in Boston, I would have been royally screwed.

Yeah.

Yeah. But thank God we were there because all of my access to what I needed was there. And then he just wanted to be so smart. And he just kind of let me do my thing. At first, he would start to mouth my lines as I was acting with him.

He's really, really smart. You know, it's funny. You watch those movies, specifically those Boston movies. And if you ask people from Boston one of the things that they hate, and you guys did such a good job in that movie. Such a good job.

They get pissed off.

And if these people had any idea. And I'm talking big, shiny names.

Tell us what one of the names sounds like. It sort of rhymes with.

Dude, let me say this, dude. You're not going to get me fucking classic, baby, trying to get me to say something about these fucking. No. You know what? I used to work.

My brother works for fucking Edison. Shut the fuck up, dude.

No, fuck you.

Wait, Jeremy, how did you become Jeremy Renner, the guy we know today? Going back to the first thing we talked about today, when I was like, oh, my God, I watched you. And you coming up and you had all this kind of chutzpah to just want to be great and not worry about anything else but the art of it. Where did that come from? Were you a kid that was inspired by.

I've got to say, Sean, you've got a lot of chutzpah. to use the word chutzpah with the extra. Where do you get a, I mean, you know.

Johnny Whitebread over here. Go ahead, Jeremy.

Fire department.

I didn't really discover acting until I was in college. Really? Yeah, yeah. And in theater. So I went in like with a criminology sort of idea.

Growing up.

I mean, all those things. So I'm like, fuck, I'll try that thing. And went into it.

This guy can do it.

Yeah, this fucker can do it. I can do that shit. Yeah, yeah. No, but that's just kind of what I watched with the kind of, I guess, you know, related to. And then anyway, fell in love with theater.

Wow. Which is one of the things.

So I was like 18, 19.

And yeah, just stuck with that.

Well, it's funny, because you are such a sort of actor's actor too. You know what I mean? Like you've got like.

Very natural.

Yeah, very natural. And you've got this thing. You're very serious. And you can tell that you take your craft really seriously. And that you're very.

Well, I mean, that just comes. I think that's the psychology sort of part of it. I think there's a self-awareness. And a confidence that comes from doing stage. You see a lot of.

Yeah. That's a good point. Was music something that was sort of pulling at you as well? Did you have to sort of make a decision with yourself? Whether you were going to kind of put all your weight behind one or the other?

No, no. I never considered music as a career. It was always a form of therapy, artistic.

Sort of a hobby? Well, it's so much a hobby.

I don't really believe in hobbies. I feel like you either do something or you don't. Right. I don't have fucking time for hobbies.

That's hysterical.

You know what I mean?

That's very good. I don't have time to just dip my toe in the water. I'm not taking a fucking bath here in life. Right? Just dipping my toe in it.

Yeah, Jason, you dumb fuck.

Yeah. You're right. You're right.

I didn't want to be a player of music. Right? I didn't want to be a guitar player or a drummer. Right. Which I am, those things.

Do you have time to still play music with Sons of the Pioneers?

No, no. I just do stuff in the studio.

Yeah.

You do stuff in the studio at this point. I did for the – from after the accident, I put together an EP of a collection of songs that were about the life, death, and recovery of this last sort of 16 months of my life. Yeah. Or a year of my life. And I put out the seven songs on the anniversary of this year.

Wow, that's really heavy, man.

I didn't know that. Jeremy, can you –.

I want to hear about that.

Yeah, me too. Can you talk a little bit about that? I mean, obviously we all heard the devastating news when the accident happened, and then, of course, that you sort of pulled through, and obviously pulled through with Colors now, but what a time in your life. Just walk us through that a little bit, if you could.

Yeah, and I'd like to know, just personally, to add to that, is like what do you – it's a common question, I'm sure, but what do you see differently now that you're on the other side of it?

You could have waited for him to answer the first part.

I guess the answer to that is like –.

Yeah, no, don't start at the end like Sean's asking you to. Let's go at the beginning. Let's help Tracy out in Wisconsin and tell her what you were doing and what happened, and action.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, look, it's probably one of the greatest things that's happened to me in my life.

Yeah.

And it's not just because it happened to me. It happened to – well, we're talking about it now because you guys are aware of it. And so there's a lot of people around this planet. It became a very personal experience that happened on my property, trying to save my nephew from being ran over by this snowplow and snowcat. But it's turned into not such a private experience.

Yeah. Something you did completely on your own. I mean, obviously the help of all the medical staff.

And people treat you – people treat you different. They treat me differently. now. They don't treat me like a fan of Hawkeye or whatever. Yeah.

Yeah.

To ride all these roller coasters. I got cleared. Okay, good. Go home and ride these things. But it was like I had to take the little – the cart around, the little golf cart thing you have to drive around, you know, because I couldn't walk very far.

Give.

Yeah. It was – But you gave – That's a wonderful shift that happened. Yeah.

I think that because you've given so many people so much pleasure through your art and through what you do, that that applause is. thank you for that. And we're so glad that the guy that we love is doing great. It's really cool.

But also it's that feeling just that getting that love, right, feels so good.

Yeah. It made me believe in goodness in people that I didn't fucking think existed.

Yeah.

I love that. In a big, big way, right, not just a group of people and not just a couple people in my hometown or my neighborhood. This is like, in a pretty global way, that this is happening.

I think people are – for the most part, people are good. Yeah, I know.

I believe that too. I just don't think they're in the right situations to have that come out.

You're right. But you had spent so much time being somewhat – I don't know if I'm using this word correctly, but somewhat objectified, which is kind of baked into the cake. It's kind of what we do. We all have public jobs, and there's certainly nothing to be resentful about with that. But at your level, I'm sure you were just saturated, with you being sort of approached and acknowledged as an object and that there's a bit of an ownership from the audience because of that.

Also, they became allies. We were equals, and they were my ally.

They became human.

It's everyone – every thought, or prayer, if you will, is something I actually needed. I needed everything to recover.

Right. On Instagram, when I saw you post that video of you running, it was like one day you were – the accident happened, and it seemed like a week later, but I'm sure it was six months or a year later. You're jogging uphill this steep driveway. I was like, oh, my God. I can't even do that, and I didn't get hit by a snowmobile.

Hang on, Sean. What if we put a stir-fry thing right at the top of it?

That's a good incentive. You'd get up that hill.

I could make it. Yeah, you would. Jeremy, you told me something at that dinner, and I hope you're comfortable relaying it on this. It was a story about – to sort of make sort of the stupid description of it – of basically seeing the light and how there is an absolute similarity, if not identical, type of experience that is repeated around the world from people that get this close to death. The way you related it to me was in a way that was so sort of encouraging about, possibly what that moment is, to the point where – I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounded like you no longer have as much a fear of death as you did before.

Yeah, for me, I think most people have – I have a different relationship with fear, first and foremost, because I worked on it every day, something I was afraid of for a decade. So I just don't have a lot of fear in my life. I certainly wasn't afraid of death, but you can think that and believe that. But it's a confirmation. now.

So you remember feeling that?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Feeling that? Really?

Yeah, yeah. And I take that feeling with me all the time now. Wow. You can't really put a visual to it, because there's no time, place, or space. It's all sort of a continuum.

Now you really did see the light that everybody talks about, yeah?

Yeah, to me it's a sort of fibrous, like a muscle fibrous, sort of connectivity to all – it's all energy, right? So I guess that's the feeling that it is. I can't even say it's a visual, because I don't feel like any of that's there.

Wow. Now, isn't it true that like – Will, you were telling me, or something about like you can – science has discovered a way to create that with certain drugs or circumstances where you can – that same – do you know what I'm talking about? Like that same light?

Will, were you trying to sell Sean something out of the back of your van at that moment?

No.

No, I was saying that if you go – you know where in – well, there's a guy, J-Rock. I told you about.

He's got that DMT hookup.

Yeah, and he's got that DMT, and if you –.

J-Rock.

J-Rock, he'd go for a weekend. He does a weekend if you take the 118 all the way –.

I knew a guy named Earthquake that would sell me something. J-Rock.

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Jeremy, in all seriousness,

Well, you have to understand too, this, right, your body, like the accident, right, could be the most excruciating pain that someone could go through, right? There's 38 broken bones. My eyeball's out of my head. I'm looking at my eye. I'm looking at my twisted legs.

Well, so the pain is overwhelming, but the brain then has, it, shuts that down, but it is also still working and has an opportunity to experience the other stuff that you're going through, which it sounds like this was the big thing that it chose to deal with, which was this opportunity to transition to whatever happens after the body stops working anymore. And you're sort of experiencing what that moment is. And do you remember having a decision to make? Were you in control of whether you were going to go forward or return back?

I mean, I was in control of my breath. And that's all I had to focus on, because if you can't breathe, then nothing else is going to matter. I can't, you know, so I had to focus on exhaling so I can then inhale and pop lung and all this stuff I didn't know.

And the thing's still on top of you. right, then, right?

No, it rolled off. It rolled completely over me. And then it,

It's amazing. I love that.

You're connected all the time to all you want to be connected to.

To everyone on this planet.

Yeah, yeah. It is all one thing. It's no fucking joke. It's all energy.

Jeremy, did you have, I mean, this shift in perspective is remarkable, I'm sure, and I can see the weight of it, and I can't appreciate it the way that you can, obviously, but has this, I imagine, and you kind of touched on it, but talk a little bit about what that shift in perspective has done for you in practical terms on a day-to-day level.

Yeah, I think the clarity.

Yeah, I imagine you don't sweat the small stuff anymore.

No, yeah. It wasn't really a guy that did, but again, it's one of those sort of confirmation kind of things.

Right.

The things that were working for me before, I really just doubled down on, and whether it's spending time with those. It's like you, Jason, how much you love your family and want to spend time with your family. Whatever it is, you just do the things that you love to do, and like. I was really terrible at doing stuff for myself and asking for help. Now I'm really good at asking for help because, Jesus Christ, I needed all the help I can get.

That's so great.

Life is just wonderful because, again, it's so clean and simple. I love that.

Sean feels the same way. Sean, you get a lot of help from the Frito-Lay company, right? They do a lot of work with you.

Well, they know what I need.

They make the bags a little bit easier to open.

The McConnell Ice Cream Company also is one of your guys.

Haagen-Dazs, Haagen-Dazs.

Haagen-Dazs, sure.

But, Jerry, you know what? The whole thing, such an inspiration to never give up, to keep going, to take the worst things in life that come after you and you come out on top. All of it. I'm saying, I saw that video. I was like, God, he can come through that?

Well, you will one day. Jeremy, talk a little bit, if you will, about, because you kind of mentioned it about this creative, this sort of, we're all connected, this sort of collective consciousness that is a lot more real and visceral than we think, rather than just an idea. and your relationship with maybe God, even or higher power, whatever, that is, where do you land on all that stuff? And you guys, too. I don't know.

Yeah, well, my dad is a theologist, and so I mean, I studied all religions growing up. Oh, wow.

That's cool. I love that.

I've been in tents with snakes and I've been in, you know, all of them. Wow. Studied them all and found them all interesting. And organized religions never end up being my bag, but I think because of it. Yeah.

Amen.

So I've got no problems with religion in general. Yeah. So I land on, look, at some point during my recovery, I know I had to give up my body to like the EMTs and the people when I was on the ice for 45 minutes, right?

Yeah.

Just struggling for my next breath and that's where I passed. And they had to, you know, jam a needle in my chest and do all that stuff, inflate my lung. I gave myself up to them to just have to work on whatever they had to do to get me to survive. But I think there's all, because, also those, I knew the guy that was working on me and he called one of my best friends, who's a firefighter. He says, you're going to want to get to the hospital because I just took off on a MedEvac flight to the hospital.

from others.

It's the will of those doctors to like, look at this motherfucker. We're going to work extra hard or die, whatever. Like, my will, right? My will is fucking,

yeah,

it's strong. Let me just say that. And I think there's others that energy goes into. others that were helping, all those EMTs and the firefighters that were there saving my ass, and Sheriff Department, all those guys that were there to save my ass, right?

All connected.

Yeah, it's all connected, man. So, as hard as I was working, I think that bleeds into others and they worked harder. and I think every, you know, flower that came in, every nurse that, you know, changed a bit, whatever the heck, it is, man, that's all like love and all working towards surviving. and let that be divine, the collective divinity of humans, right? Which I think is fucking brilliant and good, the energy of human.

Yes, I agree.

And I think that's what the divine intervention is, ultimately. I don't think it's some God or some guy coming down on a carpet or whatever. You know, it's none of these kind of things. I just think it's an energetic thing, and I can define it as love, you know, that's maybe what divine intervention is for me that helps me survive. I think that fucking continues, right?

Yeah, you make me think about what an incredible opportunity everybody has to plug into that network of connectivity.

100%, yes.

It is available to all of us and it is labeled different things at different times. Sometimes it's love, sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's collaboration, whatever you want to call it, but we're all here and we all kind of come from the same thing. and that whole sort of one plus one makes three equation is again, it's available to us all. and sometimes I have days where I've got the courage to plug into it and leave myself open to the input from other people. and some days I don't, you know?

But, Jay, but there's also the, there's an idea to, first of all, I love plugging into a slot, but I would say, I would say, that's just OCD, but I would say this. I would say, you know, those days when it also, for me, anyway, my experience is it's really important to whatever energy I'm putting out there, whatever I'm putting in the world, I'm going to get back. And what you were saying, like finding the open slot or whatever, if you're, if I'm driving on the highway or if I'm driving around Los Angeles and I'm going, look at this asshole and fuck this guy and whatever, every asshole is going to show up in my experience. But if I, if I surrender and there's a lot of surrender in what you're talking about, throughout everything you've said, there's a lot of surrender and giving up. And if I surrender and go, I'm not, I'm not in that much of a rush.

Sometimes I'll just show up to your house and give you the finger like when you answer the door.

Yeah, one time, one time Sean woke me up in the middle of the night shaking me. I opened my eyes and he was just giving me the finger and he said, fuck you.

Yeah, that's helpful.

I love that visual.

But you know what I mean? I think that there's a lot to that and I'm feeling like the energy, again, not to sound too fricking hokey, people are going to be like, hey, but you know, you can feel it. You've got this kind of vibe that you're putting out there, which is sort of a loving, positive vibe. Yeah. So it's no surprise that that's what showed up in your experience.

And now, does that translate into how you approach, sorry to get back to this stuff, but how you approach work now? Or is it still the same?

Well, I think it's, I think it's, you know, I was very terrified to get, because I'm, to do like fucking fiction. Yeah. I'm still trying to live in reality and trying to live, right? So it was, it was a hard line for me to cross.

Because shit got real and then your job is to be fake.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, wow, man. It was a, it was a big stretch. It was very, very challenging for me mentally to get, to get over that hump to like, and I still struggle with sometimes like, I don't, I don't take it super seriously. And I'm in a character that I can do very well and I know the show very well.

Like the spiritual space.

Yeah, I just don't have the energy for it. I don't have the fuel. I have so much fuel to put into. like, this reality, this body, this, all this stuff. I can't just go play, make, make, believe.

Well, you, listen to me, you need to write books, because I'd read pages and pages.

I am writing one right now. Oh, you are? Yeah. Fucking great. I'm writing one right now and it's going to spend the whole summer doing it.

Amazing.

But you know, having experiences like this, you know, I speak to a lot of different people, but always something new comes out and I always learn something new in the process and the questions.

Yeah, and it seems like you really light up when you talk about this, which, again, like you said, is part of the gift of that happening.

Yeah, it's a wonderful gift.

As you said, it was the best thing that's ever happened to you. Yeah,

yeah, it's wonderful gifts and it'll be, you know, something passed on I'll have with you guys forever, right? Our exchanges will always have a basis of this. Yes. A wink to knowing, to the knowingness of something. Right.

Yeah, and you've had that experience firsthand and you have very, very generously shared that with not only us but the people listening, and if they're like me, they will hold on to it forever, because, you know, our mortality is something that we can kind of compartmentalize for a while. but if you're on the second half, like us guys are, it starts to become a little bit more a part of your thinking day to day, and you've given me a lot more comfort for what the inevitable is, and I really, really appreciate that.

Yeah, man.

Yeah, and Jeremy, I really mean it. It sounds cheesy to say it, but thanks for the lessons today, and I mean that. I'm like, wow, I mean, all the stuff that you're talking about, I'm now going to be, like you said, I'm not going to be thinking about it for the rest of my life, because there's, people say the same things in different ways, but they don't land all the time and a lot of the stuff you said today really landed.

Well, thanks, brother. That means it's just a shared experience. then, right? This is not a lesson. It's just, these are just shared experiences and,

yeah. I love the, I love this, sort of the shift in perspective.

It's fucking awesome. And before you go, please do another, do a sequel to Arrival, please.

It's called Departure.

Yeah, man. I love you. guys, man. Appreciate the time.

Love you too, Jeremy.

You too, brother. Well done, man. Fucking killer.

Thanks, pal. Hope I see you soon, pal.

Yes, sir.

Thanks, Jeremy. Have a good day.

See you, man. Thank you, dude.

All right, my man.

Bye, buddy. See you, guys.

Enlightening.

Yeah. I hope that story, I mean the whole interview, was really enjoyable, but man, I just can't tell you how I have held on to that, what he told me at dinner, and I'm so appreciative that he shared it with all of us today, because if you're like me, it's kind of, it's just sort of a nice thing to have in your pocket that it might not...

If you see that train coming.

Well, I mean, it's going to happen to all of us. Everything that's born lives to, or what is it? Everything that lives was born to die. Something like that. I think it's a Pink Floyd line, but we're all going.

Yeah.

Um, shit.

Yeah, shit.

I got some fucking bed. Uh-oh.

I'm ready.

Okay. Um, I know how both you guys die.

What?

Oh, what? How do you know?

Is it painful?

Um, it's interesting. It is a little painful.

How do you know this?

Have you ever seen.

Sure. Sure, yeah.

So you guys are.

Shitwrecked?

Fucking Sean eats you, dude.

What?

Does he season me at all?

You guys get shipwrecked, and it's just the two of you.

But if I eat, Jason, Will, how do I die?

Well, you die.