A Dream of Peace

2023-11-23 00:37:31

Explore our national parks — their history, their people, and their stories.

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The battlefield at Gettysburg is primarily known for two things.

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First, over three days, July 1st through July 3rd, 1863, the bloodiest battle of the Civil

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War took place here.

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Second, it was the site of the Gettysburg Address, the famous speech that President

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Abraham Lincoln delivered four and a half months after the battle on November 19th.

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Six other presidents, though, Rutherford B. Hayes, Theodore Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge,

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Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Dwight D. Eisenhower, and one vice president

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who would later become president, Lyndon B. Johnson, have also delivered speeches at the

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battlefield.

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FDR spoke there at least twice.

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His first address was on Memorial Day, May 30, 1934.

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The second was an address for the dedication of the Eternal Light Peace Memorial on July

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3, 1938, which also commemorated the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg.

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One Union and one Confederate veteran unveiled the 47-and-a-half-foot-tall memorial.

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In Roosevelt's nine-minute speech, he shared,

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"...all of them we honor, not asking under which flag they fought then, thankful that

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they stand together under one flag now."

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More than 250,000 people attended the 1938 dedication, including more than 1,800 Civil

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War veterans, all of them at least in their 90s.

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Fast forward to near the end of the Cold War, 50 years later, the 125th anniversary, which

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took place over three days, July 1 through July 3, 1988.

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I was seven years old.

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Part of this three-day event included a 50th anniversary rededication of the Eternal Light

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Peace Memorial.

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However, for this one, there would be no presidential speech.

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Rather, a famous scientist, Dr. Carl Sagan, would rededicate the memorial, albeit with

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a smaller crowd, 30,000 this time.

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Still might as well be a Taylor Swift concert.

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The speech, co-written with his wife, Andrean, juxtaposed the weapons of the Battle of Gettysburg

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with the weapons of subsequent wars, highlighting the increased potential for destruction with

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each war.

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Sagan used the platform he was given to call for nuclear disarmament, highlighting the

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need to recognize our humanity as brothers and to work towards peace.

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I'm Jason Epperson, and today on the America's National Parks Podcast, I'd like to play for

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you that speech from the records of the National Archives.

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Sadly, the audio is missing one paragraph of the speech toward the end, most likely

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due to the tape ending and the lapsed time to get a new tape recording.

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Otherwise, the entirety of the speech was captured.

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Thank you, Senator Randolph.

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Our principal speaker is a noted author, scientist, and teacher whose awards and honors are almost

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beyond either counting or recitation.

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They span both academic and popular areas, reflecting intellectual brilliance as well

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as deep concern for the future of our race.

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Born November 9, 1934, in New York City, he journeyed west for post-high school education,

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winning honors at the University of Chicago.

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Those early academic achievements presaged a brilliant career that has followed.

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Dr. Carl Sagan is currently the David Duncan Professor of Astronomy and Space Sciences

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and Director of the Laboratory for Planetary Studies at Cornell University.

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Dr. Sagan has established his reputation not only in astronomy, but also in biology, physics,

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the study of extraterrestrial life, and the advocacy of peace.

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His scientific research has enhanced understanding of the greenhouse effect on Venus, dust storms

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on Mars, the organic haze on Titan, and the origin of life itself in the search for life

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off the planet Earth.

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He has played a leading role in the Mariner, Viking, and Voyager expeditions to the planet,

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and for this has received a NASA Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement, among

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many other awards.

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Dr. Sagan was responsible for the Pioneer 10 and 11 plaques and the Voyager 1 and 2

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interstellar records, messages about the human race sent to possible future or other civilizations

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in space.

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He is perhaps best known for his Emmy and Peabody Award-winning public television series,

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Cosmos.

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His book by the same title is the best-selling science book ever published in the English

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language.

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In recent years, Dr. Sagan has devoted much of his time to writing and lecturing about

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the long-term effects of nuclear warfare.

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His vision as a scientist of the death and devastation that would be brought about by

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the effects of radiation has made him a leading spokesman for nuclear disarmament.

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He is currently President of the Planetary Society, which is a 100,000-member organization

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and the largest space interest group in the world.

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He is also serving as Distinguished Visiting Scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory

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at the California Institute of Technology.

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Please welcome with me Dr. Carl Sagan.

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Thank you, Judge Spicer.

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I am very moved and honored to be invited to join you in the celebration of this doleful

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and instructive event.

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There were 51,000 human beings who were casualties here, ancestors of some of us, but brothers

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of us all.

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This was the first full-fledged example of an industrialized war, machine-made arms,

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railroad transport of men and material.

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This was the first hint of an age yet to come, our age, of what technology bent to the purposes

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of war might be capable of.

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In May 1863, a reconnaissance balloon of the Army of the Potomac detected movement of Confederate

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troops across the Rappahannock River, the beginning of the campaign that led to the

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Battle of Gettysburg.

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That balloon was the precursor of the reconnaissance satellite.

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In all, there were a few hundred artillery pieces used in the three-day Battle of Gettysburg.

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What could they do?

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What was war like at that time?

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Here is a brief comment by Frank Haskell of Wisconsin, who fought in the Union armies

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here in a private letter to his brother.

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We could not often see the shell before it burst, he said.

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But sometimes, as we faced towards the enemy and looked above our heads, the approach would

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be heralded by a prolonged hiss, which always seemed to me to be a line of something tangible,

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terminating in a black globe, distinct to the eye as the sound had been to the ear.

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The shell would seem to stop and hang suspended in the air an instant, and then vanish in

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fire and smoke and noise.

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Not ten yards away from us, a shell burst among some bushes, where sat three or four

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orderlies holding horses.

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Two of the men and one horse were killed.

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A typical event from the Battle of Gettysburg, something like this was repeated tens of thousands

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of times.

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Those ballistic projectiles shot out of the cannons that you can see at the Gettysburg

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Memorial had a range of one or a few miles.

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The mass of explosive was about twenty pounds at most.

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That is roughly one hundredth of a ton of TNT, enough to kill a few people.

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The largest chemical explosives used in World War II were the blockbusters, so-called, because

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they could destroy a city block.

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They had in them about ten tons of TNT, a thousand times more than the most powerful

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armament at the Battle of Gettysburg.

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That was sufficient to kill a few dozen people.

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At the very end of World War II, the United States used the first atomic bombs to annihilate

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two Japanese cities.

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In those days, those weapons had the equivalent power of ten thousand tons of TNT, enough

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to kill a few hundred thousand people, one bomb.

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And then a few years later, the United States and the Soviet Union developed the first thermonuclear

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weapons, the first hydrogen bombs.

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They had an explosive yield equivalent to ten million tons of TNT, enough to kill a

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few million people, one bomb.

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Each of these steps is a factor of a thousand.

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From Gettysburg to the blockbuster, a thousand times more power.

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From the blockbuster to the atomic bomb, a thousand times more yet.

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From the atomic bomb to the hydrogen bomb, a thousand times more.

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All in all, a billion times more explosive force from Gettysburg to today.

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The souls that perished here would find such carnage, the carnage we are capable of today.

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Unspeakable.

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Today, the United States and the Soviet Union have booby-trapped our planet with sixty thousand

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nuclear weapons, most of them hydrogen bombs.

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Sixty thousand nuclear weapons.

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The direct and long-term consequences of the use of even a third or a half of those nuclear

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weapons would be, without question, to annihilate those two nations, to probably destroy the

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global civilization, and perhaps to destroy the human species.

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This is too much destructive force, it is too much power, it is foolish to have such

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technology on this fragile planet.

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Those 51,000 casualties here, they represented one-third of the Confederate Army, one-quarter

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of the Union Army.

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But all those deaths, with one exception, were all soldiers.

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The only exception was one civilian who thought to bake some bread in her own house and was

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shot through two doors.

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Her name was Jenny Wade.

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But in a global thermonuclear war, almost all the casualties, almost all the deaths

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will be civilians, men, women, and children, including the citizens of nations that had

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no part in the quarrel which led to the war, nations far away from the northern mid-latitude

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target zone.

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Everyone is now at risk.

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In Washington, there is a memorial to the Americans who died in the most recent large

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American war, the Vietnam War.

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Some 58,000 Americans died, not a very different number from the number of casualties here

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at Gettysburg.

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I ignore, as we often do, the million Southeast Asians who were killed in that war.

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But think of that dark, somber, beautiful, moving, touching memorial in Washington.

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Think of how long it is.

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It's not much longer than from the end of the row here to the end of the row there.

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58,000 names.

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Imagine now that we are so foolish as to permit a nuclear war to occur.

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And imagine that somehow a similar memorial wall could be built.

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How long would it be?

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It would be about a thousand miles long.

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It would extend from here to, I don't know, St. Louis.

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But of course, there would be no one to build it and no one to read it.

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It is time for us to learn from the sacrifice of those who fell here.

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And it is time to act.

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In 1945, at the close of World War II, the United States and the Soviet Union were effectively

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invulnerable.

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Consider the United States, bounded east and west by vast, impassable oceans, north and

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south by weak and friendly neighbors, the most powerful armed forces, the most powerful

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economy on the planet.

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We had nothing to fear.

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So we built nuclear weapons and their delivery systems.

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We engaged in an arms race with the Soviets.

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And at the end of that time, everyone in the United States is exquisitely vulnerable to

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a decision on our lives and deaths made in Moscow 20 minutes ago.

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And likewise, in perfect symmetry, the Soviet Union, which had the largest standing army

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in the world in 1945, no significant military threats it had to worry about, it also engaged

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in this nuclear arms race with the United States.

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And today, everyone in the Soviet Union is exquisitely vulnerable to a decision made

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in Washington.

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The lives and deaths of every Soviet citizen is in the hands of leaders in a foreign country.

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I say we have done something immensely foolish.

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We have spent 43 years in making ourselves vulnerable to instant annihilation.

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All done in the name of patriotism and safety.

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Now all that cost something.

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The Cold War didn't come for free.

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How much did the Cold War cost?

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The American cost we can easily tabulate.

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The Soviet cost is more difficult to tabulate, but almost certainly is roughly the same number.

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By the time the present administration leaves office next January, the United States will

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have spent, in 1987 dollars, how much money on the Cold War?

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The answer is 10 trillion dollars.

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That's the one with the big T. Trillion.

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Of this sum, more than a third has been spent by the Reagan administration, which has added

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more to the national debt than all previous administrations back to the presidency of

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George Washington combined.

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How much is 10 trillion dollars?

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What could you buy for 10 trillion dollars?

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The answer is everything.

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You could buy everything in the United States except the land for 10 trillion dollars.

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Everything.

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All the houses, airplanes, factories, skyscrapers, highways, railroads, stores, homes, food,

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clothing, medicine, furniture, toys, games, babies diapers.

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Everything but the land in the United States could be bought for what we have spent on

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the Cold War.

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A business that spent its capital so recklessly and with so little effect would have been

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bankrupt long ago.

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Executives who could not recognize so clear a failure of corporate policy would long before

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now have been dismissed by the stockholders.

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What else could the United States have done with that money?

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Not all of it, because prudent defense is of course necessary.

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But some fraction of it, a third or a quarter, something like that.

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We could have made major progress towards eliminating hunger, homelessness, infectious

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disease, illiteracy, ignorance, poverty, not just in the United States but worldwide.

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We could have helped make the planet agriculturally self-sufficient and removed many of the causes

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of violence and war.

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And this could have been done with enormous benefit to the American economy.

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Think what prodigies of human inventiveness in art, architecture, medicine, science and

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technology could have been supported for decades with the tiniest fraction of that money.

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I say we have done something immensely foolish.

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We have been locked in a deadly embrace with the Soviet Union, always propelled each side

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by the malefactions of the other, always looking in the short term to the next congressional

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election, to the next presidential election, to narrow local politics and never seeing

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the big picture.

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A man associated with this community, Dwight Eisenhower, said the following about this

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very situation.

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He said, the problem in defense spending is to figure out how far you should go without

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destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without.

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It would be very good to pay some attention to what President Eisenhower said.

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What is clearly needed is a comprehensive test ban treaty to stop all future nuclear

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weapons tests because they are the technological driver that propels on both sides the nuclear

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arms race.

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We need to abandon the utter and ruinously expensive foolishness of Star Wars which detracts

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not adds to the national security of the United States.

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And we need to make safe, massive, bilateral, thoroughly inspected reductions in the strategic

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and tactical nuclear arsenals of the United States, the Soviet Union, and all other nations.

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That's obviously what we should be doing.

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Because nuclear weapons are comparatively cheap, the big ticket item is conventional

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weapons.

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There is an extraordinary opportunity that faces us right now.

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A miracle has happened in the Soviet Union.

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There is somebody not just reasonable, but smart with a long-term vision with concern

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for precisely the same problems in his nation that we should be concerned with in ours.

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And therefore, there is a clear commonality of purpose.

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Mr. Gorbachev has proposed massive conventional force reductions in Europe.

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He's willing to do it asymmetrically in which the Soviets reduce their forces more than

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the Americans do.

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And I say that is in the interest of peace and it is in the interest of a sane and hearty

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American economy, we ought to meet him halfway.

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The world spends today $1 trillion a year on armaments, most of it conventional arms.

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Much of that money is spent only because the nations are unable to reconcile one to another.

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That money is taken out of the mouths of poor people.

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It is taken out of effective economies.

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It is a scandalous waste and we ought not to countenance it.

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It is time to learn from those who fell here.

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And it is time to act.

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In part, this Civil War was about liberty, about extending the benefits of the American

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Revolution to all Americans, to every American, to make true to everyone the promise of liberty

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and justice for all.

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I'm concerned about a lack of historical pattern recognition.

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Today, the fighters for freedom do not necessarily wear three-cornered hats and play the fife

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and drum.

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They come in other costumes.

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The creed of liberty means nothing if it is only our liberty being so proudly proclaimed.

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People elsewhere are crying, no taxation without representation.

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And in South Africa, for example, or the West Bank, or Central America, in increasing numbers

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they are crying, give me liberty or give me death.

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Why are we unable to hear them?

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We have powerful, nonviolent means of persuasion available to us, we Americans.

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Why are we not using these means?

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It is time to learn from those who fell here.

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It is time to learn and to act.

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This war was mainly about union, union in the face of differences.

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You know, a million years ago, there were no nations on the planet.

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There were no tribes.

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The humans who were here were divided into small family groups of a few dozen people

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who wandered.

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That was the horizon of our identification.

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Since then, the horizons have expanded from such a wandering hunter-gatherer group to

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a tribe, to a horde, to a small city-state, to a nation, and today to immense nation-states.

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The average person on the earth today owes his or her primary allegiance to a group of

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something like 100 million people.

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It seems very clear that if we do not destroy ourselves first, the unit of primary identification

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of human beings will before long be the entire planet and the entire human species.

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And to my mind, that is the key question, whether that fundamental unit of identification

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happens before we destroy ourselves.

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The identification horizons have been broadened in this place 125 years ago at great cost,

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at cost to the North and the South, at cost to blacks and whites.

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But we recognize that that expansion of identification horizons was just.

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Today, there is an urgent practical necessity to work together in arms control, in the world

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economy, in the global environment.

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It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together.

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It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another.

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We must all help one another.

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On occasions like this, it's customary to quote homilies, phrases by great men and women

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we've all heard before and we tend not to hear.

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Let me mention one, a phrase that was said here just a little less than 125 years ago

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by President Lincoln, with malice toward none, with charity for all.

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We tend not to hear.

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With malice toward none, with charity for all.

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That's what is expected of us.

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Not just because our ethics commend it, our religious teaching preaches it, but because

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it is necessary for human survival.

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Here's another one.

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A house divided against itself cannot stand.

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Let me vary it a little.

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A species divided against itself cannot stand.

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A planet divided against itself cannot stand.

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Can we hear?

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To be inscribed on this monument is a lovely phrase.

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On this eternal light peace memorial, which is about to be rekindled and rededicated,

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the phrase is, a world united in the search for peace.

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A world united in the search for peace.

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We need more than anniversary sentimentalism and holiday piety.

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We must confront the conventional wisdom where necessary.

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We must act where necessary.

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The real triumph of Gettysburg was not, I think, in 1863, but 50 years later, when the

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veterans came to the front.

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It is time now for us to emulate them.

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NATO and the Warsaw Pact, Israelis and Palestinians, whites and blacks, Americans and Iranians,

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the developed and the underdeveloped worlds.

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The challenge for us is to do it not after the carnage and the mass murder, but instead

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of the carnage and the mass murder.

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It is time to learn from those who fell here.

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It is time to act.

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Thank you very much.

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By the late 1980s, the Harpers Ferry Center, which is where much of the National Park Service's

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interpretive material and programs originate from, was creating materials in a number of

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different media, including audio recordings for listening stations, slideshows and videos,

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and films for broadcasts, loans, and exhibitions in visitor centers.

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Initially, it appeared that the records relating to the 125th anniversary of the Battle of

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Gettysburg were limited to 12 ¼-inch sound recordings.

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However, as the processing proceeded, it was discovered that there were, indeed, moving

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image film rolls that accompanied the ¼-inch sound, which were incorrectly identified on

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the shipping list.

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Original recordings could be used in multiple productions, which may be the reason these

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records were incorrectly identified, and it can take some research to bring them together.

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Preserved in the holdings at the National Archives are 12 ¼-inch audio reel-to-reel

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tapes and 11 16mm silent-color film reels.

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Two of the 12 audio tapes contain most of Sagan's 1988 speech, as well as recordings

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of the activities of the three-day event, while three of the 11 film reels contain just

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parts of Sagan's speech.

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The fact that we have these records in multiple formats highlights one of the challenges facing

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a special media archivist.

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One of the difficulties in trying to synchronize motion picture film and separate audio on

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¼-inch magnetic tape is that the recording equipment runs at different rates.

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Motion picture film is captured at 24 frames per second, while ¼-inch audio is generally

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captured at 7.5 inches per second.

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36 feet of 16mm film is the equivalent to one minute of running time, and 37.5 feet

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of ¼-inch audio is the equivalent to one minute of running time, so they don't quite

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match up.

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Over the course of time, the audio begins to drift so that the audio occurs ahead of

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the image.

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In order to rectify this, they can try to remove snippets of dead air to try to make

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the image and the audio synchronize, but if the event is a continuous speech with little

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or no breaks and pauses, they are unable to faithfully sync the two together.

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Which is why we do have some film of what you just heard, but it's best listened to

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in a podcast.

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Gettysburg, as the site of one of the most crucial battles of the American Civil War,

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stands as a reminder of the costs of division and conflict.

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It can be seen as a symbol of the tragedy that ensues when a nation is divided against

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itself, and it serves as a historical lesson on the importance of unity and the dangers

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of unresolved conflicts.

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The sacrifice of thousands at Gettysburg can be seen as a testament to the high price of

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war, but this place also symbolizes hope.

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Hope that out of such devastating conflict, a stronger, more united nation could emerge.

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It can inspire us to work towards a world where such sacrifices are no longer necessary.

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Gettysburg, if anything to me, will always be a place that inspires us to pursue peace.

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This episode of the America's National Parks podcast was hosted by me, Jason Epperson,

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and written with tons of help from the National Archives.

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