2024-07-04 01:43:48
Hi, I’m Dax Shepard, and I love talking to people. I am endlessly fascinated by the messiness of being human, and I find people who are vulnerable and honest about their struggles and shortcomings to be incredibly sexy. I invite you to join me as I explore other people’s stories. We will celebrate, above all, the challenges and setbacks that ultimately lead to growth and betterment. What qualifies me for such an endeavor? More than a decade of sobriety, a degree in Anthropology and four years of improv training. I will attempt to discover human “truths” without any laboratory work, clinical trials or data collection. I will be, in the great tradition of 16th-century scientists, an Armchair Expert.
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Hello.
Hi, what are you reading over there?
The same intro?
Yeah.
Oh.
Today we have our friends on, the Avett Brothers.
They're back.
This is round two, Avett Brothers.
Yes.
But we get some good singing in this one.
It's so fun.
They're so, so special.
They are.
They combine to make something impossible.
Yeah, they do.
Yeah, sitting in the middle of it was transcendent.
Fuck.
That's what I want to say.
Oh, the word transcendent?
Yeah, as we say it again.
Okay.
And it's like a whole thing.
Okay.
The Avett Brothers are a Grammy nominated folk rock band.
Their albums include Closer Than Together,
True Sadness, Magpie and Dandelion,
The Carpenter, I and Love and You.
And they have a new album out now
called, self-titled, The Avett Brothers.
Yeah, they did a little loop-de-loop.
They did.
And they went self-titled now.
Yeah, most people start self-titled.
They're one, two, three, four, five.
This is their sixth album.
That's a cool move.
It is, I like it.
You're going to love Avett Brothers.
What a special performance we get from both of them.
Please enjoy.
♪ He's an objects man ♪
♪ He's an objects man ♪
♪ He's an objects man ♪
Olin here.
It's a concert.
Hi boys.
How are you?
Good, how are you?
You got some instruments for this concert.
Do you have a snare drum from downstairs?
I bet if you played it down there,
we'd be able to hear it.
Take them in, Monica.
I know.
It's once in a lifetime.
Have you guys been offered coffee and all this stuff?
Yeah, I got a coffee.
I feel like I know I shouldn't.
Scott, how has that gone?
For him not drinking coffee?
The notion that he's not drinking coffee,
I found it to be a betrayal.
An off-putting?
Yeah, who wants to hang with a guy
who's not drinking coffee?
Well, he doesn't have coffee with you.
I'll tell you that much.
And if he ain't having coffee with you,
what is he doing?
What is he doing?
And he's judging you drinking coffee.
No.
He sure is, he's feeling high and mighty.
I'm silently judging.
How's the air up there, Seth?
On that moral high ground?
What about tea?
Are you a tea guy?
It's stifling.
No, I like tea.
I like decaf.
He likes coffee, actually.
Yeah, I love coffee.
When I smell it, I'm like, ooh.
All the more offensive.
How dare you?
Oh, that's true.
It's just that I have so much self-control.
I know!
He's like proclaiming to the world, I'm a stoic.
You should have a shirt that says I'm a stoic,
because it's so much worse that you love it, isn't it?
Yeah.
That's someone who quits something every 10 days.
For sure, but I would argue the thing I quit
was driving the car into the ditch.
Seth was just getting more energetic and likable.
No, not more likable.
We talked about this last week.
I didn't have a plan.
This only happened out of solidarity,
because Jennifer was doing this cleanse, no meat, no caffeine.
I was like, I'll just do it with you just for fun.
But I had such a headache for about seven or eight days.
I moved through it, and then I was like,
well, that's it, I'm not going back.
That's a great motivation.
You don't like the headphones.
Do I have to have them?
Not at all.
You can do it over the phone.
That's a great motivation,
but similar solutions don't ever stop.
I understand not wanting to have the headaches ever again,
but just resume and don't stop.
Yeah, because it's always readily available.
It's not like you can't get a hold of coffee.
We all have our little battles
with having to depend on things.
I just didn't like, I was like,
I don't want to depend on that.
I know, I get that way too.
I didn't mean to pick a fight with you
as soon as you got in, but I took it really hard,
as you can see, I was thinking about it two weeks later.
This just feels like good motivation
just to come back to it, because I've been missing out.
Well, what would be great is if I could get you to do it now,
because as we discussed,
Michael Pollan wrote about caffeine in one of the books,
and he said that after two months off of it,
he takes his first sip and he's like,
it's like doing cocaine.
See, that's the thing.
I do have it about once every few months,
and it's awesome.
Ooh.
Yeah, rocket fuel.
Maybe that's the way to do it.
How are you doing, Scott?
I'm good.
You're good?
Real good.
Where's your energy level at?
It's solid, for sure.
We've both been up since about 2.30 this morning.
Yeah, but I'm peaking right now,
so this is midday for you.
This is good.
You're fucked for Kimmel.
Yeah, Kimmel's gonna get me the leftovers.
Sorry about that, Jimmy.
Kimmel's down river.
Why were you guys up since 2.30?
We're on North Carolina time.
Okay, but you didn't fly here this morning.
We flew here yesterday.
Yesterday.
Yeah, and I mean, I wake up around 5.30.
And you boys over at that Hilton Universal?
No.
No.
No.
Should be.
I love the Hilton Universal.
It's a lot closer to here than where we are.
Yeah, Seth was explaining to me
that you guys have to stay there
because of the tour bus parking, basically.
We have in the past, and we fell in love with it.
Yes.
Like it turned into this little thing.
I have those too.
But you've told us the story
about your relationship with it
and your perspective of the area
because you have a much more dynamic relationship
with the area and some people that you encountered there.
For people that didn't hear that episode,
I think he's referring to the time
that five gentlemen almost jumped me
in the lobby of the AMC 26
over there at Universal CityWalk.
But I love that.
I have certain, you guys must.
We were just talking about it.
There's a hotel in Austin
and it's where I stayed on my very second movie ever.
Four Seasons, we can shout it out.
Yeah, and it's the first time I ever stayed
at a Four Seasons and it's on the river
and I was doing a movie with Mike Judge.
And I walk into the lobby of that hotel
and it's, I bet, as close as I'll feel
to church that people feel.
Oh, this is so special.
Where do you most look forward to going
where it kind of delivers every time
other than the Hilton Universal?
Well, we do have a couple of those spots
that we can't say on Mike
because they are away from places
and they're really random.
Okay.
And they're usually rural.
We have found a couple of really sweet spots
in rural areas for days off that you wouldn't expect.
And they're not necessarily fancy.
They're just really good for bus parking
and for space and for being able to walk
to a place that has good juice.
Just a nice usable spot.
Here's the rule.
So somebody said, well, what's the prerequisite
to know where you're gonna go?
I say, if you can leave the bus door unlocked.
Okay.
That's hard to find.
And are you finding that's possible
at the Hilton Universal City Walk?
No, it's not possible.
No, you do not.
You do not leave the doors unlocked.
In fact, it's very rare that you leave
the doors unlocked anywhere.
You leave the motor running there.
I'll tell you that much.
Yeah.
Not the generator motor, the engine.
The one that you can put into park and drive.
I guess you gotta make a pasty exit.
Are these places so sacred that even off-air
you're not gonna let me in on them?
Cause you know, I too contend with bus parking.
We'll tell you off-air.
Give me the cheat sheet.
Yeah, we'll give you the cheat sheet.
We'll send you a map.
Are you guys allergic to fancy?
Do you feel embarrassed if you're at a fancy place?
No, I like fancy.
No.
Okay.
We're not allergic to it.
Yeah, if you broke up Scott's sections of his life,
he had a period, like if he were an artist
and he had a sunflower period,
Scott had a whole period that was G-Wagon.
Boy, I was obsessed with a G-Wagon.
Oh yeah.
I saw you live a few times.
I mentioned it on stage.
Couldn't keep it off your tongue.
I mentioned it during a song.
Yes, you did.
I can't believe at some point they didn't just give you one.
I mean, my man, you were out there promoting the product.
Not anymore.
And then you didn't get the product.
I still may eventually.
This is a really good approach to life.
You have something you can get.
It's got a little stoicism.
You resist the urge.
Because the fantasy's generally better than the acquisition.
Yeah, it must be.
But I tried to talk you into,
and I want to tell the story of this really lifetime fantasy
you guys granted me two summers ago.
I'll hit you with that first.
I had been begging you guys to just let me ride on the bus
and act like I'm in a rock band for a minute.
Keep asking, keep asking.
Apparently logistics was always the issue.
That's what they say.
Locations couldn't be provided because of privacy.
But by God, Aaron Winkley and I were driving around in my bus
and we're like, where are we going to go?
We have two weeks to fuck around.
And I thought, let's see where the Avett brothers
are playing.
That's awesome.
We were in North Dakota when I Googled this.
And I was like, by God,
they're in Indianapolis in three days.
So we hightailed it down to Indianapolis
and we got to park our bus with y'all's buses.
Fuck me, that was great.
It was nice.
Thank you for that.
You know, I've talked with Jennifer.
We've talked about this a few times.
I've always laughed about you and your bus
because there's a reason that bands lease them.
You know, it's like a house.
There's always something breaking.
They're not cheap to buy.
They're not cheap to run.
And there's a million working parts
and they're always breaking.
The brand new ones are breaking.
And we always talk about how impractical it is.
Our most recent conversation about it,
she was like, but why did he buy it
instead of like borrowing it when he wanted it?
And I'm like, babe, Dax wants to drive the bus.
That's the difference.
Like we lease a bus, we lease a driver.
He helps us.
You know, we've been with him for many years.
Sometimes you wake up and the guy's washing the inside
of the windshield while driving the vehicle.
Fully up the seat.
That has happened.
That's why I want to drive the bus.
It's not just the bus.
It's not just that type of travel.
Dax, he needs to be behind the wheel of the giant engine.
I got to spend 60% of the vacation
fixing the fucking contraption.
That's right.
Because when you say it breaks like a house,
that doesn't even begin to explain it.
And the guy who I bought it from, David Garza in Dallas,
he said, Dax, this is like owning a home
that's in a hurricane with 100 mile an hour winds
at all times.
The thought I just had was like two hands
like on the side of the house that you live in,
just shaking it.
That's what is happening to it.
So of course the hot water heater is going to break sooner.
The seals are going to come undone.
That's just how it is.
Everything's going to break inside it.
It's a perfect thing to own if you love problem solving.
You got a busy mind.
You want to get out there and figure out
why you got no power and nothing's working.
And it provides the same thing that is provided
for people that love RV and camping.
I don't think you get to have your cozy little home
anywhere else.
And the most embarrassing thing, I can bring all my weights.
How else am I going to travel
with a few hundred pounds of weights?
You're not going to be able to do it, Dax.
That's the bottom line.
So really it was imperative that you buy them.
That's true.
I had no choice.
I would love to see the little mazes in your mind
that work out how to justify certain purchases.
Like, well, I got to take the weights with me.
Sorry, Kristen.
So I guess I got to buy this bus.
Hey, Kristen, I got to buy this bus.
Got to have Lincoln's dirt bike everywhere we go.
What would she do if she didn't have her dirt bike
that she barely likes to ride?
I can't just drop this thing off at UPS
and have him chip it over there.
Okay, so Scott, on that lovely little,
what was fun about it is we were parked with you guys
and then we would wake up in the bus
and we'd come out and basically just live like the bandit.
We'd meet you all for the meals before the show.
A lot of chit chat.
It was so fun.
We were catching mice in the thing.
I don't know if you remember that part of it.
Like a house, you can get mice in the bus.
Did those come with your bus?
They are an add on, yeah.
Upgrade.
I was trying to talk you into a Raptor R.
Yeah, that's right.
And I thought I had tickled your fancy a bit.
You have.
But did you get that?
So I didn't.
Scott made a purchase recently
that you'd be interested in though,
that he immediately regretted.
How do I say this?
Some people make one really big purchase every now and again
and then some people make a lot of piddly purchases
and break themselves doing that.
So I would back off of something like a Raptor R
or a G-Wagon, which I think are just blessings
to this world.
They're not just fancy, just like a fancy hotel room.
I think this is a gift and it's not just luxury.
It's earthly, it's beauty.
I think the Hawaiians would call it mana, it's power.
Well, that too.
So what I did end up doing was buying a 1986 Ford Crown Vic.
Yes.
With 22,000 original miles.
It's like a brand new car.
It's incredible.
That's a great purchase.
I don't know.
It is.
I'm having some title issues with it
because it came from Pennsylvania.
No problem.
We're working it out,
but we're still trying to clear the paperwork.
I'm not sure.
I think I bought it because when we were watching
Men in Black, me and the boys,
we saw the black one that he's driving
and I was like, I heard it, you know.
It was like, oh man, Luke, that's an incredible car.
They didn't make them like they are
and they don't fly like that.
They're not like Men in Black.
No.
But so we purchased this car.
Do you know I was horny for the exact same car?
Really?
Oh my God.
That's one of my favorite movie cars of all time
because it's so God damn plain and stupid and boxy.
They have block.
And then the way they made it sound in the movie.
And with 22,000 miles, it is pristine.
It's like sitting in a brand new car.
It's really weird because nobody saved those cars.
They bought them for their family and they wore them out.
For us in our generation, we see that as like,
oh, I remember my buddy's mom had this car
and we rode into school or whatever, but no.
It's as close as I can get to time traveling.
It is.
So I bought the exact same thing, but the GM model
because Lincoln has a Lincoln to inherit.
And I was like, Delta needs a Delta to inherit.
And the Oldsmobile made the Delta 88.
And it is as stupid and boxy and boring as that Crown Vic.
And so I bought an 85 Delta 88
that's currently getting an LS3 and a six speed.
So that's the trick.
We got to link up when we come down to Nashville,
you and I got to do like a stupid hot rod car cruise.
So I need to do that to that car.
We have enough resources around Charlotte.
You could dumpster dive and find a NASCAR motor
where you guys live.
That's actually true.
We're like throwing away crazy parts.
It's ridiculous.
But I had started earlier.
What is the venue that never fails
to rekindle the romance and the nostalgia?
There are several.
The New Hampshire venue.
What is it called now?
El Pollo Loco Family Theater.
It's changed.
The Bank of New Hampshire.
You guys play at the bank when you go to New Hampshire?
Wells Fargo.
Financial Center Theater.
It's high interest.
APR loans to low credit score arena.
Tampa Theater.
It's like an old fairground, but there's several.
That one comes to mind just because
of the nostalgia of being there.
Is Red Rock up there?
It is.
We have such a relationship.
I mean, it's been 30, what, six times we've played?
So we have a history with it in terms of always delivering.
Yeah, it's like that.
It's been so celebrated.
It's more exciting for us to think about other places,
but Red Rocks is an obvious answer.
It's a place that could never be built now.
You could never get permission to build that.
Because what, they just blasted out.
Yeah, like in whatever, 1900, carved it out
of like one of the most beautiful.
Put seats in it.
Yeah, we're gonna make this a theater.
Thank God they got that happening before you couldn't,
in a way, but there is quite a spiritual element
to seeing a show there or performing there.
We've developed a personal relationship with it
at this point.
You know, it's one thing to pass through it
on the way as you hit stardom,
but we've developed this long lasting
personal relationship with it.
Is it the same date every year?
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