Brittany Snow: Stop Falling in Love with Potential [VIDEO]

What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

Brittany Snow, welcome to Call Her Daddy. I'm so excited to be here. I am so happy we are doing this. I DMed Brittany like how long ago? A year ago, I think.

ready to be very public about anything, really. I get it. And so, I remember opening up the DM and being like, oh my god, Alex. And then being like, no. I'm just not going to do that.

because I have been.

That I've been in this business for three decades and I have absolutely no chill, no cool, no tact, no.

Not for you. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, no. It's going to be great.

everyone, because I think people instantly feel like, oh, this girl is an idiot. So I feel so much better about myself. Most people that I meet that are fancy and stuff like that, I think they feel better that someone is bumbling and is somehow invited to the party.

I think it makes you more likable, because I feel like everyone in Hollywood has a couple sticks up their butthole and you're just kind of like, oh no, I'm just going to be like myself. And even if you think I'm wild and insane, it's okay. I'm right here.

Wild, I'll take. Yeah. Brittany Snow, she's like, whew, crazy. Party girl, no. But yeah, I think after a while, there was no going around it.

I am going to say, I think I didn't know you were like this fun and bubbly. Like, I know, not to say I didn't think you were going to, I'm like, oh, you're going to be a weirdo. I genuinely thought like, you are like a very like prestigious actress. You're, you know, you are like, you've been in fucking everything. The pacifier with Vin Diesel.

Thanks. I need this pump up before I start every interview.

You're amazing, queen. Slay bitch. Let's go.

I think the first word they would, they would probably say, is sensitive, um, empathetic and probably passionate. There's no way that anybody can guess what I'm like, what I'm thinking, you know, I'm, it's always on my, my heart is on my sleeve, shoulder, whatever. It's out there. And I think that people either love that or hate that about me, because I, I'll always say what's on my mind a little bit, because I'm just too sensitive not to.

I love that. I appreciate that. What role do you think you play in your friend group?

I'm a little bit of the camp counselor, in a way where I'm like everyone together, we're going out to dinner and we're going to like it and we're all going to wear these cute outfits. And, um, everyone's like, you know, stop, we have jobs and husbands, and, um, and you don't. And, um, and I, I think, and also I am definitely the one that, um, probably I need the most connection, I guess. I'm constantly in connection with my best friends. I want to, I want to hang out all the time.

alone, I'm actually very, very secure in it, which is nice. That's growth. And that is the best feeling when you can get to that point. So I'm really happy for you. But I love being around my friends and doing activities.

some of my best friends. in some way. We also became such a family, because when you're doing a movie with so much rehearsal time, and then you also have to shoot after that, you're there, wherever our location was for about four to five months. And, um, we became really, really close and all of us are very, uh, somewhat similar to our characters in, in different ways. I won't give away how, because that's blowing some of them up.

anything that Rebel does is funny. When I interviewed her and she was doing an impression of Adam, um, Divine, I was like, I think I actually, for the first time, just physically peed my pants in the middle of an interview, her doing the impression of him. And then I interviewed Adam and he tried to imitate Rebel. And that was a fucking disaster. Sorry, Adam.

And I think that that was the cool thing about all of our dynamics on the movie is that we did constantly, um, we got along so well, but we constantly made fun of each other, which was sort of a camaraderie that we needed, because, going into those movies, we had no idea that they were going to become what they became. So we had a lot of fun, poking fun at the fact that, like, are we really making this type of movie? And are people going to like?

it? I bet it didn't even sometimes feel like work. Cause you're like, we're just like half the time. I'm sure there's some people improvising and it's just like fun. So John Tucker must die.

Can you describe like the premise of it? Sure. So John Tucker must die, um, which is hilarious, because he doesn't die. We don't kill him. So anyone who wants to know if it's a horror or something, or a thriller in any way, um, it's just about this guy who is the high school man.

because, honestly, it's like something I would have done in high school. Like this is literally me. I think that's probably why I connected with it. I'm like, I would be like the mastermind. that's like, listen to me.

to get back at a guy that you've broken up with? Well, to be, to be completely fair, and this is, this sounds so lame, because I had just done. John Tucker must die. Um, and while I was shooting that movie, my boyfriend at the time, who was the first love of mine. Um, and I, and I still have such fond memories for him, but at the time we were on like a break Ross, Rachel vibe.

owe us an explanation.

really help or work or anything. And then I remember saying bye to her and being like,

that was weird. Right? Like, why did we do that? Like, what was the plan? Like, what did you want him to say?

there were things that I definitely did, even up to the, probably the point where I was, I think 27 is when I, I got my shit together a little bit, but until then I look back and I am traumatized.

Yeah. That's actually a really good age. I would say, I feel like at 27, I really started to like refine my craft, you know, just tweak it a little bit so that if someone told the story of me, it wasn't giving, she's crazy. It was giving, you know, she's passionate, but it's not level of crazy that I used to be. Unhinged comes before 27..

Okay, let's do it, baby. Here we go. Well, I think, you know, my naming of the movie, of it being Parachute is that I really do think we're all trying to lessen the fall, as cheesy as that sounds, lessen the fall of just being with ourselves and feeling our feelings. I think, now more than ever, we go on Instagram or we go on TikTok or whatever, and we scroll to numb the pain of just being with our own feelings. Or we're trying to hit a dopamine sort of like hit in a way to make us sort of ride the wave to the next moment.

You're so right. How many things we do to distract ourselves from being able to sit in silence and be okay with like, what's going on? Why are you sad? What happened in your childhood? Why are you like that?

It was very based on connection to achievement, which is a weird thing to say, I guess, but I got a milkshake if I did well on an audition, and I wouldn't get a milkshake if I didn't do well. And I think a lot of parents do this unknowingly in terms of you do well in your soccer game, we go out for, you know, cheeseburgers or if you lost, like, we need to go practice more. And so I think my reward center got all mixed up. Then couple that with the.

Yeah. Cause, like, I'm curious, did you have anyone in the industry ever make comments about your body, or was this like very personal internal thing you were struggling with?

There was a movie that I, um, I had just gotten help. Um, I'm very young at this point, but I had just gotten help. and, um, I gained a bunch of weight during that time. Um, and it was, it was half because I was healthy and half because I didn't know how to balance. And I think a huge part of my recovery is in balance, but I got on set the first day.

what they're going to see. But do you remember like sitting in that room when you had just gone through recovery, you're like feeling better about yourself. And then you sit down and they say that to you. Like, what did you feel when they immediately said that to you?

Do you remember? Yes. This is how fucked up it was. I thought they're right.

It's also just so sad as women, like you can do so much work, but it's like, we're fighting against a system that is conditioned us since the beginning days to like, believe, like there is this one body standard, that is, you will get treated differently. You will get different jobs. If you look this way, like if you're thin, you get X, Y, Z. And so like as much work as you can do on yourself and, like you said, feel healthy. The minute someone looks at you and makes a comment, especially to a woman, about her body, it is so fucking hard for us to not immediately internalize it and be like, I got to get skinnier.

it's in the workplace. It's in every sort of, it's on social media. to, to be honest, the most is that this is the norm and that we need to adhere to the norm, but what it, the norm is ever changing and so different person to person. So I don't know. When you look back, I'm curious,

do you remember a specific moment where you realized that your relationship to food was?

different than your friends around you?

magazine. Why are we reading this? Like, Brittany, where is Rod Pitt?

We want the fold out of Leo to go up on the wall. And you're like, no, look at this woman. Yeah, yeah. Got it. And I think that was the first time I was like, oh, why am I so into this?

like you did something that ended up how you felt about the magazine that you first saw. It ended, you ended up doing this same exact thing to affect another woman, which I think is so beautiful. And it's so sad, because I do believe there is good in social media and us doing this. Like, yeah, I can't imagine so many people are going to listen to this. And so many women are like, Oh, my God, I needed this episode.

like, I need to get help? I, well, it's in parachute. It's what, it's what parachute's about the movie. And although it became many people's stories in this way, there was a moment that I, I mean, people are going to see the movie, so I guess I should get comfortable talking about it, but I thought that it would be better. This is a lot for Call Her Daddy.

that it does get better. I hope I can like ease your mind for a minute right now. Like, first of all, this is not too dramatic or heavy for Call Her Daddy. This is like the exact place we should have this conversation because of how many women listen to this podcast and how many women look up to you and you have a voice and you do have a platform and you're so talented and to put your experiences into a movie that so many people are going to be able to watch and connect to, like full stop. This is not dramatic.

I think so. And I think that's what, I guess people keep asking me, why did I do the movie? Why did I make the movie? And I think because I didn't have a movie like that when I was going through it. And I didn't even think what I was doing was necessarily, uh, I thought I was very alone in it.

biggest misconception people have about eating disorders and body dysmorphia and body image.

issues? That it's self-indulgent or vain or about food. It's not about food. It's not about how you look. I mean, topically maybe, but I think underneath it's, it's really about an obsession of trying to disassociate and not be with yourself, with, with actually like in your body.

it is about just not eating. That's what is frustrating. It's like when people you're so right, think it's vain, whatever it is, it's all a control mechanism. Like you're saying, because you have a lack of control in your life and inside of you, where you're trying to associate. So it's the one thing that you're like, I can handle this here.

like gossiping or just being about drama, or just being the person that's in everyone's business. I mean, you're sort of doing these emotionally unavailable things because you can't just sit with yourself. So it's better to go over here, go over here. And I think that a lot of people get that misconstrued because they think, oh, eating disorders are one thing. Alcoholism is one thing.

like. obviously, recovery is not just this, like clear path. Like where are you at in your journey?

I mean, a better than I ever have been, which I think is such a marking of how I was able to do this movie and write about myself and have this conversation. I think I have a lot of perspective and I'm a lot more able to sit with myself. And I have this really cool new voice in my head that I'm like, hey, girl, where you been? That started, I think, probably 10 years ago that I pretty much always see the different perspective and things, which is huge. Something terrible will happen and another voice in my head will come in and be like, well, let's think about this from another perspective.

relationship with your body impact how you approached sex in your life? That is a great

question and so layered, because I think in my earlier years, it was difficult to be in my body, and I bless my ex-boyfriends when I was in my early twenties, before recovery. Truly bless them, because it was really hard for me to understand sex in the way that was healthy, because I had to actually be in my body and I was letting people see me and that was really hard for me. And then more and more, and especially now, I have so much recovery and autonomy and confidence in my body now that I've never had before. I mean, I was naked and ex, so if that says anything. Right.

But that's like a huge step I feel like, probably for you, right?

That's why I took it. to be honest. I was scared, shitless, but I think it was such a goal for me and I hate to use the word goal, since I've dragged that through the mud this whole podcast. But what I wanted to do was be able to have that sort of confidence of playing a character that was brazen in her body and bold, and it not get into my head. And yeah, it was really about balance.

What kind of guys, growing up and during this time of your life, were you going after?

Have you seen a side-by-side of all my exes? Because I have.

I have too. Why don't you explain it to people that haven't?

Well, you can go on Google and I definitely have a type.

Okay.

And I think that I was going after people that sort of.

So trying to like, almost fill the gaps of where you were like, I'm not feeling great about this, but they bring this to my life. They feel that for me. Exactly. But when we get into therapy, as we know, Brittany, it's like, no, you've got to be whole on your own, because then you'll pick a complete different partner. Completely different.

Exactly.

Okay. Fascinating. I know. a huge theme also in this movie is codependent relationships. Have you ever been in one?

Well, it's about, the movie is about what really happened. I got into a codependent relationship with a guy who is still a friend of mine. And I think it was, I think all relationships, especially before therapy, are sort of these

Can you talk about that, like your childhood? What do you mean you weren't taken care of?

I think I love my parents and my, and I won't even talk ill about them at all.

Right. Like, Whoa. I don't like have to do this. And then, if I don't do this, I like get punished or I don't get attention or I don't. Wow.

But then I started to, it's, it started becoming very evident that, um, that it became codependent in a way of, of being addicted to that savior saved cycle. Um, and I think that was the relationship that got me into recovery.

Yeah. Cause I, while you're saying that I'm thinking about it, like it's so hard to spot, but then, when you're in a codependent relationship, like all of a sudden you do. eventually, I feel like most people get to that point where, like, you feel like you've been saved. the person's there and there's still this void. And you're still like, wait, why, like, why am I not fulfilled?

Yeah. And no person can, they're all just going to bring out these things in you that, that you need to go and look at for yourself.

Well, I do have to ask you. Okay. First of all, here we go. Let's go. Well, first of all, are you single?

Yes. I am. I am.

Wait, that was kind of like,

I am.

You are? Yeah. But are you like talking to people? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Because if you were like single, single, you'd be like, absolutely. I saw a little like, yeah. So you're, you're, you're dating.

Yeah. I've been, I've been, let's use air quotes here. Yes. Single, weirdly. I'm not saying weirdly, like it's so weird for me to be single.

Okay. So last year.

Yeah.

You went through a very public divorce with your ex, your ex husband went on a reality show and there was a situation with another woman that just played out and you had no idea what was happening until it aired for the world. What did you feel when you saw this play out for the world to see?

I will preface this with, they've taken up and I, and I'm collectively calling them all they, cause. I don't know any of them. Except my ex husband, they took up a lot of energy and emotion and time and real estate in my head. And I don't want to give them any more time and energy, because then they would win and they would get what they wanted, which was getting my time and energy and attention.

At some point when you're moving on from something, it's like, you don't want to give things air. I think, as a woman watching it, I got triggered because, like, I have had a not exact same similar situation, but like I've seen things online of someone I was dating in the past and I was like, sorry, what? And it warps your perception of like, how can you trust people? Like it's such a, um.

Can you trust yourself? Which I think was, I think the saddest part about the whole thing was I was, I didn't, I didn't see any of, I was, what? Like, um, and to trust yourself after that and be like, I have a, I have a good sense of character. Um, there was some, um,

That's what I feel like, which is the worst is when you get a little space from it. We kind of always know, but like there's so many reasons we don't want to know, because it looks all good and most of it feels good, but there's like a tiny thing in your head that's like, you know, like, no, get out of here. Like everything is fucking good. Like we are thriving over here, but it's not. And I guess, like, I just now, like thinking you're fabulous and getting to know you, I can't help.

of a private person. Specifically with my relationships, a hundred percent. Yeah. So.

how do you, how did you, just like, handle, like, fuck him and that all that for a minute. Like, how do you handle internally people fucking coming at you and wanting to know something so personal that, like this person, betrayed you, like they took it so public and you didn't have a say in it. Like, how did you recover from that? Like, and how are you recovering from it?

I think that was the hardest part was the not being able to not be, not because anyone silenced me, just that I was not going to play that game. Um, I don't have the anger that I think that I, I think people wanted me to have in terms of like, I wasn't, it was so like, what, I just didn't even want to go there. You know? I get what you mean. You're like,

I know people want you to put out this big statement. Like I saw it and you're like,

what the fuck? Yeah. I, I, of course, I saw it. Yeah. Do you know?

closing out that chapter of your life that you feel like was like very misconstrued on the internet? Like that you could clarify right now? Um, I think I would say.

that it, yes, what happened happened. And I think what people, you know, what it's alluded to in the press is some is true, but what I do think, you know, which the press can't do, thankfully, is the intricacies of. there was love there. There was, there was a marriage there. There was, there was so much love.

Well, any of them? No.

like what was going on. I think as someone who's so, um, hands-on with my career,

that's like so relatable for women when it happens. And it's like, you feel like you've been hit by a truck because your reality has been completely distorted, because you're like, everything I believed is changed and you have to basically pick the pieces up by yourself. And it's a really, really fucked up situation. If anyone is listening, has felt it, you know what I mean of like, you want to say, fuck you to the person, but you're also like, wait, five seconds ago, you were my person. How does it change on a dime?

happened to you? It doesn't happen right away, because I think that the shock and the nervous system, that, and the breakdown of the familial sort of system of safety, is destroyed because this person is your home and your home is burnt. So I think what happened for me, which is, you know, and I won't speak about this specifically because I think this goes with a lot of my past relationships or things that I tell my friends, which is to actually start realizing and seeing them as real people and not this idealized version of what you thought or what you built, but who they are really, and the intricacies of taking the shine off a little bit and really getting into the brass tacks of like, did this really work? Because if it did, it wouldn't have happened. And that's really hard to hear, because I think a lot of us want to be like, it's them and blah, blah, blah, but like it is.

they must not be happy. It's so true. And like, you're so right, Brittany. It's like, I know. it's so hard to hear, especially if there's someone like today.

And that has been such a gift for me. People keep telling me like, what did you feel afterwards? And I'm like, grateful in a weird way, because it was a neon fucking sign. It was like bigger than that.

You're like, and double, triple.

So I didn't ever have to worry. if I'm, you know?

Yeah. Like, you'll never doubt. You'll never doubt. Like that wasn't meant to be. And that's what I think.

ending of. But like, then move the fuck on. I, I really, really shout out and give such thanks to my friends who just laid there with me and they didn't try to fix it. And they didn't try to, because there's nothing to fix. There's nothing to change.

it makes resilience possible. I do want to know, though, with divorce, because I do think women, there's such a stigma of like, oh God, you got to start over. And like, oh, how are you going to do that? And men have it so much easier, and it's such fucking bullshit. Like what have you learned about yourself through this divorce?

Oof. So much. And honestly, I'm not this type of girl. So I will preface that with, with that blanketed statement, but I'm so proud of myself and I'm, I'm never proud of myself, but I think that it was really, really crazy for a minute, but I think, like anything, I just, there was this one time that I texted a girl from Pitch Perfect, one of the, one of the Bellas. And I said, what do you do in this situation?

So true. That's like, again, it's the hardest thing. And it's like what we go back to when we were talking about, you know, struggling with an eating disorder, where you're like, oh my God, if only like, I could just get out of my head, but it's like, but it does get better. If you do get help, it's, it is the same thing with everything in life. Like there is, you're right.

Yes. And ooh, do I love dealing with that in therapy?

What is something that you have, like you, put up with in the past, that now that you've like become centered with yourself and you could look back at past relationships, you're like,

I will never put up with this anymore. I had an ex tell me that I couldn't wear sweatpants.

Sorry, what? He would fucking hate me. Holy shit. Who is this man? I will not tell you,

yeah. Oh, yeah. That they signified giving up, which I love the description as well.

I'm just getting started, bitch. Giving up? Giving up. Relaxed, cozy, comfortable, thriving. Thriving.

I was like, I can look hot in sweatpants. You can look so fucking sexy in sweatpants. Let me be the person to tell you. So. I think that guy in general, although young, young, like a young soul.

Right, right, right. And you wear sweatpants every time you see him.

Oh yeah. My friends got me a ring that is engraved sweatpants.

No. Yes.

Well, it's just- When we broke up, because they were like, girl, wear your fucking sweatpants. Yeah.

Well, it's also just so sadly indicative of like male-female relationships, where it's like, why do men feel fucking comfortable saying that shit to women when it's like, you would never say, oh, don't wear. Well, I would say, don't wear your fucking khakis, bitch. But it's like, why? You know what I mean? It's such a demeaning statement that you're like,

why? I think he had an idea of what sexy bedtime-ness was and it didn't incorporate sweatpants. I don't know. But I think that's marketing and also shitty things given to men as of this is what a woman is supposed to do. And I think that bleeds into a lot of relationships too, is that I think men think that there's this generalization of what women should be like.

day and she's paying for this fucking dinner and this fucking house, bitch. So bow down. Okay. No, I appreciate that, because I get we're talking about sweatpants.

It's indicative of other things.

The theme is.

relationships? I think I fall in love with... And then this is before, not anymore. But I really fell in love with people who had potential. I saw it in them.

that before. And I bet it's very relatable for women listening. When you have a guy in front of you and you have all these ideas of what they can be, we need to start being more accountable with ourselves of like, well, what is he showing you? And it's like, well, no, no, no. But no, no.

Well, I actually ended up having to really start listing it out in my head. I'm like, he yelled at a waiter one. Britney. I know. And I was like, that wasn't the like, bye.

Peace. And you can pick up the bill. Okay. Goodbye. Good day, sir.

Yeah. And then I snapped out of it and I was like, whoa, whoa, where am I?

But we can avoid those things and we can pretend it didn't happen. I have done that before. And this is so fucking embarrassing, but I've done something similar where they do that. And then I pretend I didn't see it. I'm like, oh my God, where's my hair tie?

Camila Cabello, and you guys were talking about the like slow burn as opposed to like the fire cracker thing. And that is something that I really, really have, has been hugely helpful for me lately is just slow and steady, baby. Just like really slow and steady. And I do think that it works, because you're gathering information. You're just like gathering slowly.

I think it's also so healthy to think about it in that way, because slow burn doesn't mean we're like fucking flatline on the first date. It's not like. I'm like, oh my God, you are so boring. I'm going to fall asleep. But like, let's go for a second, just in case.

It's chemical. It's chemical and it's something in your, I forgot what podcast it was, but it was saying that, like, if it's chemically and it's like fizzy and it's like nervous and your nervous system is going, then it's triggering the child in you that found something in the child in them. And you guys are like doing that nervous energy thing. And that's not real. That's not safe.

Put me in coach. And it's like, oh my God, no. What you want is a mature relationship where you can look at the person and be like, I actually see we have similar interests. We have a very values.

better. Okay. And of course I did the thing where I was like, I'm so sorry.

doesn't need the noon. Yeah. And then you went on another date with him. Oh my God. So many.

to him again? Yeah. Or no, you're like, no, I have a date tonight. No, no, no, nope. Not, no.

approach to dating right now? And like, are you, and I know this is like too premature, but, like, are you open to getting married again in the future? Or are you just not even thinking about that right now?

thinking about that right now? That's a good question, because I vacillate a little bit because I think it's a huge, you're getting married soon. So you, so I can't, you know,

destroy this too much. I'm like, no, okay. Fuck off, Matt. We're done. No, you're already married,

right? No. Oh, I thought you got the license and everything. Oh, what? Oh, oh, you're right.

I am legally married. Oh my God. I'm like, am I married? Wait, did I get that wrong?

You're right. Oh, I love that. I'm telling you about you.

I love that you're, Matt. It seemed like, Alex, I am married. Well, no, to be fair, I was waiting for the 90 day thing. I think. by now I think I am legally married, but my wedding is coming up.

here's the thing. Marriage is fucking awesome. Okay. And I loved being married. I really thrive in relationship.

that's absolutely the right way to look at it. Like, of course, like you, would love one day, like maybe, but I think a lot of times we can get dating's exhausting and it can get infuriating. But I do think everyone who has been in love at one point and you don't, and we don't even need to take away from past loves. It's like that feeling is amazing when you are with someone you love. And then, even if they become a piece of shit later, like you can just remember those good moments when you're dating, it's like you are dating to find the even better version of that feeling.

I think that some of my favorite women right now are like still dating after heartbreak. I mean, that's huge. It's so strong to be able to put yourself out there like that again, and to believe that you are worthy after something bad happens in that way. That's fucking badass. So I, and you have to believe in yourself in order to know that you can withstand your own.

mind in the battle of that. I agree. And I think, because women are so judged based off of our age and our looks and all the things, and society tells us like, you're dead by 30.. Like, oh my God, like feeling my best as I'm entering this new era, like fuck you. I think we can also just start to say, fuck it.

they're out there and you're going to figure it out. There was some great advice that someone gave me where they're like, if you're looking for them, they're looking for you. And it was so simple, but I thought, oh yeah, like, if you're out there and I feel like I'm pretty cool, then someone's out there. that's pretty cool too. That's like, where is she?

Where is she? And one day you're going to walk in and they're going to be so nice to the waiter. You're going to be like, oh my God, this is totally the right guy for me. What is your best quality that you bring to a relationship?

The more surface one, I guess, is. I'm pretty fun. I'm a good time. Whether or not you like me or not.

good conversation. You're going to have men clip this when you go on dates and then be like, I want this. What is this? You're like, oh, let me take you for a ride. Not sexually, but maybe.

A good time means so many different things nowadays.

It does. It does.

But I had to explain that. But I think emotionally I am extremely,

listen when I'm in a partnership. What is your take on? if you don't fight in a relationship, it automatically means you're in a healthy relationship?

I completely disagree. I know this from experience.

Yeah. I feel like it comes down to communication. I feel like there are so many relationships that people can look back and be like, we never fought, aka, we never really talked. We talked.

You probably never had sex, because intimacy, conflict is intimacy, and so is really talking to them, and so is sex. I think it's intertwined. It's a good point. Or it's like the most.

disconnected sex and you're like literally thinking of someone else and you're like, and then he's like, do you like that? You're like, oh yeah, yeah, sorry. You're like literally out of body thinking about someone else. If you really break it down, that's why it is beautiful. when you get out of relationships and have a little bit of time to reflect.

I'm glad. that's why I've waited a year to talk to you, to bring it back. I love it. I love it. Because I do have so much more perspective on, I think if I would have come here a year ago, I would have been so angry and I would have not been able to see also my part in things of like, who was I there?

So true. Let's close out one more time with your movie, Parachute. I'm so inspired by you and what you are doing with the themes in this movie. Can you just give a little final pitch to the of like, I feel like men and women, but specifically for the ladies listening, why should they see this movie and what do you think it will do for women when they watch?

I hope it's a combination of being incredibly romantic and a beautiful love story, but something that I feel is connected to everybody and something that maybe sheds light on a feeling you didn't know how to put into words. That would be my pie in the sky. hope, is that you maybe feel like this, but you didn't know how to formulate that until you saw it. And I think my biggest compliment that I've gotten from people seeing the movie, specifically men who don't have to have these issues as most, as many women, um, they say to me, wow, I, you know, my sister has this, my mom had this, my, whatever, or, you know, guys too, but I didn't understand it. And now I have a little bit more context of how painful it is, and it's changed my perspective on it.

So that's what I would hope. Again, I, I think what's fun about having conversations like this is like the struggles that you've had through your life and everything of like you sitting here earlier being like, there was a point where, like, I didn't know if I could keep going, going through something that's also so relatable and heartbreaking and divorce and, like all these, like very humanistic struggles that we all can relate to. I think it's encouraging to see you sitting here right now being like, I'm figuring it out. Cause that there is, you know, there's someone that literally one of those things is happening to them right now. And this interview could be something that they're like, all right, I'm going to keep pushing.

Thank you so much for having me. This was awesome.

No, seriously. Thank you.