Another Person Fired for criticizing Israel?! My Interview With Briahna Joy Gray | Candace Ep 5

I know this anti-semitism bill is making its way through Congress and yeah, I don't know if we're gonna be able to have free speech anymore. So let me get it all out while there's still time. Well, what we have coming up for you is Brianna Joy Gray. She's the former press secretary to Bernie Sanders and she probably has something to say about that question. So she was recently fired from the Hill.

She claims it's because she criticized Israel. is Brianna, just anti-semitic? I'm going to let you decide, because I believe that you can decide when you hear people in their own words. That's what's coming up today on Candace.

It's, it's Something's cracking. It's catalyzing. The conversation is moving because we are seeing people that are having their entire livelihoods destroyed for critiquing a foreign nation. You know, this is an absurdity. think about this.

in 2020, United States government announced that it was considering banning the Chinese social media platform Tick-tock. that was upon a request from then-president Donald Trump. He viewed tick-tock as a national security threat. so he signed an executive order that same year banning tick-tock in just 45 days if it was not sold. and Guess what happened?

that executive order got blocked. the app survived until The app got on the wrong side of Israel. you guys remember this after October 7th, things on tick-tock weren't trending in the pro-israel way. In fact, it was very much trending in the pro-palestinian way and the ADL's, John Greenblatt, said yeah, No, this is a problem and we have to deal with it. Let me jog your memory.

Here's what he said.

if you've got something to say about Israel, yeah, you're. you're gonna be in big trouble. forget your First Amendment. if you even accuse Someone who is Jewish of having more allegiance to Israel than they do hood to America, You are going to be in trouble. forget, forget the First Amendment.

you guys. if you have any inclination as a Christian that you have a right to Believe in the story of Jesus Christ. That is our doctrine. He's our Lord. He's our Savior.

well, you better be very careful if you're going to talk about how the Jews played any sort of role in his persecution. Yeah, because that's what's in the anti-semitism bill. being a Christian will pretty much be banned if it gets passed. So, yeah, Things are pretty strange, and it makes sense when you consider the fact that Thomas Massey my favorite congressman in the entire world, Because he seems to be the only one that will stand up to AIPAC Recently went on Tucker Carlson and he had this to say take a listen.

what they are, you know Firmly embedded in AIPAC, and every member has something like this Every. I don't know how it works on the Democrat side, but that's how it works on the Republican side, and when they and when they come to DC, you go have lunch with them and they've got your cell number and You have conversations with them. So I've had, like that's absolutely crazy. I've had four members of Congress say I'll talk to my AIPAC person, and It's really what we call them my AIPAC guy. I'll talk to my AIPAC guy and see if I can get him to you know, dial those ads back.

but of course, Thomas Massey is playing in some waiting into some dangerous water, so to speak, because we know that there was once a president who wanted to make AIPAC register as Foreign and he ended up shot, Coincidentally ended up shot. So, Thomas Massey, better be careful. and it's not just what's happening down in DC, It's also what's happening in media. We are seeing people get plucked, plucked. plucked, not because they're anti-semitic, But because they're not pro-israel enough, you know, they're not happy.

I guess when, when a innocent Palestinian kid dies, that's what it seems like. if you, if you, if you are not Completely doing the work of AIPAC and if you are not willing to support every action that Bibi Netanyahu does, then the media Will perpetuate you as an anti-semite who should lose everything. and that is wrong. And there's somebody who claims that she recently just went through that. as I told you at the top, Her name is Brianna Joy Gray, and she was fired.

according to the headlines, It was because of her shocking response to the sister of a Hamas hostage. I'm gonna let you hear what Brianna said to the sister of the Hamas hostage and tell me if you're completely Shocked by it. Take a listen to Brianna while she was at the hill interviewing this young woman.

Of course, is something that makes me roll my eyes as well. We want to believe our hard facts and we want to be able to discern what is actually happening. But I'm not going to contextualize anything that, Brian. I'm gonna allow her to speak on behalf of herself. We'll have that coming up for you guys in just a second.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, we just showed you the clip in monologue of Brianna Joy Gray. You heard what she had to say, obviously speaking to a victim's sister. I thought she sounded compassionate. I didn't see the interview before I read the headlines. the headline that I saw Reads this from the Daily Mail Brianna Joy Gray is fired after her shocking response to sister of Hamas hostage.

So I was like wow, what did what did Brianna say? what she must have just been off the rails. crazy. It's not what I got very, very excited, Brianna, to have you join us here today. I know you're in the midst of a firestorm.

How are you doing?

this is not normal. and yet there are so many people who know, like I know and like you know, That if you are in media, you got to be careful talking about Israel. Why is that?

unless you view a certain race to be just above and Above, critique really is what it is if you view a certain race to be above critique. and I found that when I was being lied upon by a Man named rabbi Barclay I mean he he lied so badly about me that they, PJ media, wound up taking the article down after I interviewed him, because I was genuinely curious. like how could you you say you're a rabbi, you're supposed to be, you know supposed to be, a leader in your community and you're publishing lies about things that I never said? and When he, when he spoke to me, he was very honest and I realized, okay. He's actually just a racial supremacist.

He's telling me that he believes that you know, if Jewish blood is shed, it does in fact matter more. When it is Jewish history, it matters more, and I appreciated his honesty and I could see why we were gonna be on the wrong side of this issue, because I don't believe in racial supremacy, whether it's Coming from BLM leaders talking about you know, their list of demands for white people. I don't believe in what racial supremacy if it's white people, and I certainly am not going to accept it if it's Jewish people. I just that's not something that anyone should accept. Well, it'll come as no surprise to you, Candace, that I I feel.

It would have been justified to kill 500 a thousand Palestinians if it meant Getting three hostages back, and I certainly understand prioritizing hostage exchange, And this is what I told to the sister of the hostage that I spoke to on Rising last week. certainly, if you want to prioritize hostage exchange, I agree with that, and we should be talking about the protests that are being put on by the families of hostage, Families of hostages in Israel, against Netanyahu, Because they rightly perceive him as being the primary obstacle to prioritizing hostage exchange, over what he has said is his priority, Which is eliminating Hamas. all that being said, there are ways to get the hostages back. It is evident, and could have gotten back months and months ago if that were in fact the priority, But instead the cost, the value of Palestinian life, is perceived as so cheap as compared to Israeli lives, But we've seen and said that they would rather do these.

Military organizations, with the help. the US government, using a u.s. Built pier that cost $300,000, was told it was a humanitarian pier using an Action that was in fact a war crime, using a humanitarian vehicle to Trojan horse military officers into a refugee camp and then kill almost 300 Palestinians in the effort to get three hostages back and also killing a Losing an Israeli soldier at the same time. Does that really seem worth it? I think the average person says no, and I the only reason you come to a yes, as if you really very cheaply value lives.

was happening after 9-11 and growing up in the 9-11. and I look back on that time because I realized that there was this sort of Media insistence. We didn't have social media. We didn't have other perspectives being given to us. There really was no sense of an independent media.

But I look back on that and I realized I was almost brainwashed to believe that Muslim life had no worth and thinking about how Scared I was every time I saw a Muslim, and you know, wherever I was, whether I was an airport anywhere. And I actually believe that the media in America was successful in dehumanizing Muslims. I'm not a little girl anymore. Okay, I'm an adult. I am a woman.

I'm a Mother, but, which is the most important thing, and I just remember, after October 7th. I was, I was Very due to give birth, looking on Twitter and seeing these children. these children happen to have the same complexion as my daughter, because I have a mixed child being blown up and Then having people tell me that I shouldn't care about that. and I said to myself, okay, I totally understand people wanting to have their hostages returned. I can totally understand people wanting to make sure that their family is safe.

But what I cannot understand is how you think you are a good person when you devalue the life of a child. You're a monster. I don't care who you are. I don't care for an American commentator. I don't care if you're a rich billionaire.

I don't care for the average person on the street when you applaud one hostage being returned and yet, you know Thousands of people who are similarly innocent were killed in the process and you go Oh, well, too bad. You become a monster. and I know that there are So many people who agree with me in media who are scared to say that because they are fearful of having their jobs. They are fearful of losing their jobs, rather So, can you speak to exactly how you found out you were being terminated and on what grounds you were terminated?

Obviously, my co-host, Robbie, was there to push back. I don't know if they found his pushback to be Inadequate, but they kept wanting to have specific kinds of guests on the show, which I, of course, was open to. I have never turned down a guest for ideological reasons. I cannot say the same for guests that were aligned with my ideological perspective in my clothes, I have to say, but I I noticed that when they were trying to find Guests that presented a pro-israel point of view, Unlike the kind of guests that I seek to bring on, who have some kind of issue area expertise, Let's say because they're a journalist, or let's say because they're a professor, or let's say because they're a politician, an elected official. they would bring on people who seem to just be internet actors, who would come on and, instead of Taking questions from Robbie and I and a professional kind of interview style of format, would very quickly try to Personalize the issue and want to have an argument with me about whatever tweet that they last seen of mine.

But they didn't like, which obviously puts me in a really tough position as a host Who wants to be gracious and sort of moderate and not get into a back-and-forth with a guest? But the guests started increasingly coming on with this kind of ideology, So there were indicators like that. I got a message from on high that we were not allowed to interview Norm Finkelstein. I know you sat down with him for a really terrific interview, But I watched and I thought was really well done, and the argument was that he was a Holocaust denier. Norm Finkelstein, as you're aware, is someone whose Parents both survived the Holocaust and knows the horrors of the Holocaust much more intimately and personally than most people Alive today.

and the final straw was when we got an indication that this most recent guest the sister of a hostage Wanted to come on. it was pitched to me specifically that she wanted to come on to talk to me, Not to be interviewed by both myself and my co-host, But that she wanted to talk to me and to me that was a clue that it was going to be another one of these interviews where a guest who has a really legitimate point of view, obviously as someone who has been living in the Limbo of not knowing whether or not someone she loves more than almost anyone else in the world, is safe. That is the perspective we absolutely should have on the show. but I was worried that exactly what happened would happen and that she would turn this into a referendum on my own personal political views and try to play sort of both the position of a Human being who's going through something really tough, for whom we should all have compassion, But also someone who is advancing a political ideology and advancing very specific Untruth on a new show that it's my job as a reporter and journalist to push back on and fact-check in real time.

It's so absurd. They don't want him on the show, right? They don't want him the show because, of course, once he speaks, you realize it's completely ridiculous to make that sort of an accusation. But we're seeing that happen on so many networks have purport to be about free speech, And I am somebody who has moved so much in my political ideology from. you know Where I was on the left and then realizing that I felt I know that we disagree here, that I had it completely wrong, Which should show people that I am willing to move, right?

If you actually present an idea to me and I find your idea to be valid, I am happy to jump on your side and yet you see, on this one issue, the loudest Most platform to pro-israel, voices don't want to debate. They don't want to debate. I've reached out. I've tried to have people on for a debate. They don't want to debate.

and the only people that don't want to debate their ideas, while they're sitting and they're talking down to you and they're telling you that they're right and you're wrong and you're an Antisemite, are the people that are lying. That's my view. You're a liar. Okay, because I'm Candace, I don't have all of the degrees that the rest of these people have, who think that they're so smart and they're so brilliant. Wouldn't you just think that you would slam me in a debate?

I'm so dumb and you're so smart and you're so wise, and you just need to teach us things. if The Israel argument is valid, sit down and debate it with somebody who is against the Israel argument. That's it, and let people watch it and let people observe it, and let people move their opinion one way or the other. But I do want to ask you, Brianna, because we don't have much time here. A lot of stuff is also happening in Congress.

I don't know if you caught Thomas Massey. He's my favorite congressman ever. I make Thomas Massey Stan. He sat down with Tucker Carlson and he said essentially every Republican in Congress except for him has an AIPAC Handler and AIPAC handler. We have seen the strength of ADA AIPAC.

We have seen the strength of the ADL, We we talked about in in monologue, which you didn't get to see, how Trump couldn't get this thing done. He wanted to ban tick-tock, you know, because he had concerns about China. suddenly John Greenblatt Swoops in and it's gone. It's the a tick-tock has got to go, or at least it passes in the house, and immediately you start to realize who's actually controlling.

I'm talking about real progressives, you know, to the left of Bernie, Frankly, I frequently found themselves the exact same situation as Thomas Massey, Because it is again the one and true, only red line on a bipartisan basis that nobody on either side of the aisle is allowed to cross. so you've seen these Mounting AIPAC challenges from candidates like I need a Turner and Ohio's 11th district. Summer Lee was able to survive her challenge. You're seeing a Jamal Bowman in New York getting challenged along these lines and you're seeing a lot of it. I know you have an interest in kind of the craven weaponization of identity politics and the exploitation of Race to lend cover to what are, frankly in this case, Kind of a foreign policy agenda and but are often sort of corporate policy agendas.

There's often overlap between the two. as we're talking about Israel, We can't not talk about defense contracting and Boeing, and why there is so much incentive to continue this war along with so many others, but what you see is that particularly people like Ritchie Torres Congress members who are black and brown are often weaponized to advance the interests of Israel. in this case, Hakeem Jeffries, also from New York, Frequently famously says Israel is the sixth borough. mayor Adams, Unsurprisingly, is a big advocate for Israel, And I think they try to disguise the extent to which there is a conflict of interest there between the average working-class American and the interests that are being pushed by a foreign lobby by dressing it up in the veneer of a trusted black representative. on the other hand and I think We talked about this a little bit for a sort of recording those black representatives and leaders, political leaders that don't fall in line, are subject to Particular scrutiny and particularly particularly forceful pushback, And I think that's part of what you experience.

as part of what I experienced, the stop Antisemitism account recently decided to post a picture of a random black high school student who had said that they want to free Palestine, really targeting in particular black people, because I think they're capitalizing on this stereotype, that because there is, I think, a long-standing tradition of black people kind of Empathizing with the situation of Palestinians, because, frankly, it is Familiar that we have historically also been tarred with the label anti-semite and it's a method to affect effectively shut down Conversations about this issue. That's exactly right.

There's literally no record of this. I've worked for Jewish companies my entire life. How did I just become a raging anti-semite? Simply because I have questions about what is happening to these innocent Palestinian children and why we are treating them like their lives. don't matter again.

My position is that what we're seeing operating in the media are racial supremacists. And I think that they're Taking the wrong side here. I feel it. you can. you can sense it in the air.

People are starting to ask questions. people are seeing what is happening. to people there seems to be an awakening on this issue, And let me tell you, if this wakening speeds up and I think it is it's catalyzing. People are gonna look back, and I remember these voices Sat there and and supported racial supremacy because they didn't want to lose their jobs. that supported racial supremacy, supported the death of innocent children who are out there saying outrageous things, applauding the death of Children as long as they get back one person, as opposed to saying no, this conflict needs to come to an end because too many Children are dying.

I have no regrets in what I've said. I have no regrets in the way that I've been treated in the media, because, at the end of the day, My relationship doesn't matter with the boss, It matters with God, and they are all going to have to account to God one day. and you can see these psychopaths in media, You know, that are trying to sell you something different and tell you that there's something wrong with you or you're perverted Because you feel bad for a dead child that you are seeing on your screen. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be those people when you, when you have to meet the ultimate boss one day and and really account for What you've created and you know throughout your life. Yes.

I would love to just speak to that.

It is. we are, I think, so rightly appalled by the horrors of the Holocaust, and we have been so That has been emphasized and taught to us so strongly in our education as we grow up, rightly so That I think the idea of even thinking about Jewish supremacy is sometimes difficult to wrap your brain around, because we're so focused on the opposite right anti-semitism and the relatively recent historical Tragedy that Ended up killing two-thirds of the world's Jewish population and a horrible Holocaust, right? I you know, And I want to just really address that dissonance, because what I'm talking about and I think what you were talking about when we're talking about supremacy is an Ideology that I think is required to support Zionism, But which is not fundamental to Judaism as a whole. correct, and there has been is not Zionism, right? There's been this effort to conflate the two, because it's we are all.

We all abhor the notion of being anti-semitic, right? I think there is a sensitivity to that. that is that Zionists are aware of, and so they know that it's easier to you know, Marginalize someone for being anti-semitic than anti-zionist, because what is Zionism? Zionism is a particular political belief that thinks that there should be a Jewish state established in a part of the world That is overwhelmingly Arab, And when you do that, it requires you to establish a democratic majority to not allow Palestinians to, for instance, have the right of return that a you know, a Jewish person who was born in New York or Philadelphia or Iowa is Able to have the right, even if they've never stepped foot in that region, to move there, whereas a Palestinian who has keys to the house that they owned before they were expelled in the Nakba in 1948 is not allowed to visit the country. where Palestinians who work in Israel be a work permit are Forced to wait for hours at checkpoints or who need to get better hospital care if it is available to them, and the occupied Territories have to wait even if their health is imperiled, because there's different role roads and different rules for for Palestinians.

for Arabs in In Israel, this is an apartheid state. It's a two-tiered state that specifically gives different rights, superior rights, to people who are Jewish as opposed to people who are Muslim and Arab. and I say Arab and Muslim separately, because there are Christian Arabs in Gaza who have their churches being bombed, who are themselves being killed. Justin Amash, Libertarian former congressmember, had multiple family members killed by Us-backed airstrikes earlier in this conflict, and you almost heard nothing about it. No condemnations from Congress for a former sitting u.s Congress member Palestinian American Congress members own young family members being massacred by his Israeli bombs with American political cover.

that's what we're talking about here, and all of all of the problems of the region can be traced back to the insistence that Palestinians and and and and Jewish Israelis Cannot have the same rights within the state of Israel, because if that happened, there would be demographic Parity, the same number of Palestinians as Israelis, and that would, we're told, Necessarily imperil the safety of Jewish Israelis. now Let me ask you this, Candace Does it make sense to you to simultaneously making an art, be making an argument that? Israel is a democratic country that we should be loving and supporting because, look, 20% of the population is Arab and we all live peacefully, and isn't that wonderful? But also to be making the argument that we can't have any more Palestinians because they're inherently violent. They're inherently Regressive.

they will ruin our society if they come in to the country.

What I have an issue with is that you speak down to people as if you are a superior and you won't debate your ideas. Right, I have an issue with the fact that you are. you're speaking about, you know The Arab population, who, by the way, are Semitic. you're talking. you're talking about anti-semitism and what these are Semitic people.

You're speaking about them in this way. That makes me uncomfortable. You know, my grandfather grew up in a segregated South. I'm not comfortable with the way you're speaking about them, And when you try to shut down my conversation and you speak to me in that same way, You are acting like a racial supremacist and we have to have the courage to call that out. And of course, it's not all Jewish people.

Some people genuinely just are like. I want the hostages to be returned. You know, I am concerned, you know, I followed some Jewish influencers who have been so Understanding, you know, there are people that you listen to them and you're like. this makes sense. They're not being pushy, They're not being supremacist.

They are obviously concerned. They grew up in Israel, you know, their family grew up in Israel. um, as Jews, you know, because this was after 19, 1945, or you know, within the last 30 years, and They are not Disgusting in the way that they are talking about this issue. But it feels like a lot of people in the media are, and that's what makes me uncomfortable. They are, they are very disgusting and matter-of-fact, and oh, well, We've got bigger bombs.

and who cares how many Muslims you kill? I care because I'm a Christian and I'm not comfortable with the amount of death that is happening to children. How dare I call myself a pro-life conservative and then stay mum on this issue? how dare I call myself a Christian, a child of God, and then Be mum on this issue because I care about money? And so that's kind of where I want people to really consider.

listening to this podcast. Are you comfortable with the amount of death of innocent children and to check yourself? Have you been brainwashed to believe that it doesn't matter if an Arab child is killed? Are you, are you comfortable and let me also push you on this to my listeners If you say it's okay When a state does this, then you better hope you remain friends with that state, because if they ever turn their arms against you and you've already set the Groundwork for believing that it does not matter when innocent children are murdered, when they are waking up to bombs being dropped on them, Then you're going to have to stand by those words. Okay?

I mean the whole thing is terrible. But we're also having new reporting just over the last few days about a torture camp that exists in Israel, where and I'm sorry this is so graphic, but Palestinian men have been having a Metal electric rods inserted into the rectums as a kind of torture. We've had ample reports of rapes that are Substantiated and I got to say I'm sorry. there have been ample Reports discrediting the New York Times reporting about the quote-unquote mass rapes that happened on October 7th, Including most recently in the Times of London, Really destroying all of the sources that were used in that initial reporting, reporting that was so controversial even within the New York Times, But its own podcast daily podcast department declined to do a podcast in a story because it was so riddled with obvious inconsistencies and reporting errors. So the that was headline news, that was front-page news.

when Joe Biden lied about there being 40 beheaded babies, That was front-page news. and the retraction is just a blip his people coming forward and saying oh, he didn't actually see that, It didn't actually happen. That's just a blip. And meanwhile, the Times finally reported on this torture camp where they're sodomizing Palestinian prisoners. it's at the bottom of a lengthy Article that did not get the above the full treatment that the original reporting did.

and so again, You're seeing the asymmetry in the value of life. one other point that the intercept and some other organizations have been tracking the use of language when describing Palestinian deaths versus Israeli deaths, and words like barbaric, savage, horrible kind of more emotive words are used 60 times as frequently when discussing Hamas killing Israelis versus Israelis, killing Palestinian civilians. and so we are all being taught by the media how to interpret this crisis in incredibly subtle ways and also in very overt ways. and that's, I think, a reason why it's so important for you to be Independent, to be able to speak out boldly, without worry that you are going to be censorship by a parent organization, the way they attempted to Center you and the way I have been censored, and I personally am very grateful for the existence of independent media platforms.

So, Brianna, I am wishing you the most luck. Can you allow us to know where we can follow you? And how they can support you? let my listeners know how they can support you.

com slash bad faith podcast. I have a weekly podcast that comes out free every Thursday. You can catch it on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast, And if you subscribe at patreon I, you can get an additional Monday episode for $5 a month. This Monday today, as we're recording. I just released a really A Thorough deep dive into the months-long effort to oust me at the hill and actually frankly get into some issues around Transgender issues and politics as well in that episode, and I want to extend the invitation Candace to you also.

I know that we disagree about a lot of things, but I have been impressed by your willingness to have open debate and Conversation and be receptive to different points of view. I've seen it in the context of Israel and I would love to continue this conversation on a number of other issues if you ever.

Let's debate it. Somebody's right. Somebody's wrong and let the public trust the public to decide. don't propagandize them. Allow them to listen to both of the debates and to decide what they agree with.

Brianna, thank you so much for joining us and I wish you all the luck in the world. Thank you, Candace. I appreciate it. Alright, guys, I hope you enjoyed that conversation. I'm obviously going to get into so much trouble for it, but it's okay.

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