Chris Robinson

2024-05-27 01:02:38

After 25 years at the Late Night desk, Conan realized that the only people at his holiday party are the men and women who work for him. Over the years and despite thousands of interviews, Conan has never made a real and lasting friendship with any of his celebrity guests. So, he started a podcast to do just that. Deeper, unboundedly playful, and free from FCC regulations, Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend is a weekly opportunity for Conan to hang out with the people he enjoys most and perhaps find some real friendship along the way.

1Speaker 1
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Hi, my name is Chris Robinson.

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And I feel confused about being Conan O'Brien's friend.

2Speaker 2
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I don't see why you'd be confused. I think we have a natural affection.

1Speaker 1
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We do, but I get mixed messages from you. I'm a sagittarian, I'm very sensitive and, you know what, I need more attention.

2Speaker 2
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You need more attention from me.

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Fall is here, hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brand new shoes, walk in blues, climb the fence, books and pens. I can tell that we are going to be friends.

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I can tell that we are going to be friends. Hey there, welcome to Conan. O'Brien needs a friend, joined, as always, by my chums, I suppose, contractual chums. Sonim obsession.

1Speaker 1
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That's a good way to put it. We have contracts.

2Speaker 2
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And we're chums, yours is written on a lettuce leaf.

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Listen, I was trying to do the introduction and you kept badgering me about my face, which you say is.

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It looks extra red. Like you got a little sunburned, I did, or I'm having some sort of stroke. It could be that, but I think it's because I got a lot of sun. And I'll tell you why.

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I was in New York City for a couple of days on business. I'm a man that's got affairs to manage, and I was walking around Manhattan a lot. You love to walk? I do like to walk.

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The tropical paradise of Manhattan. Well, at this time of year, this time of year, late spring, early summer, yeah, and so nothing provides shade there.

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Well, okay, this is a fun thing that you're doing. You know, I'm Fred Astaire trying to dance, and you keep throwing concrete cinder blocks at my feet anyway, yes.

1Speaker 1
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I was there and it rained the entire time. We were there, Oh.

?Unknown Speaker
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What is going on and you know what?

2Speaker 2
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Adam doesn't look at all like he got any sun, Adam to clarify. The first day that we were there, it was sunny and I was walking around a lot on that day. And it doesn't take me very long to get red now that I buy. So I did, yes, so I did.

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I mean, So, yeah, okay, Perry Mason, he did get you. I'm consulting the almanac, he did.

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It was closed. I think I was there for four days. But I got a lot of sun the first day walking around and then the rest of the time it was raining. I did have a very unique, just a very New York experience. My agent was walking with me. Rick Rosen.

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We were walking hand in hand as agent and client. Do you were skipping? Yeah, I was skipping, la la la, la la.

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He was taking 10 of my joy, but anyway, walking down the street. And this was on a sunny day. And this guy was probably in his thirties and he had that New York look of, you know, everyone there was honking their horns. Yeah, they honk a lot, they're big honkers, they honk a lot. Because the traffic was bad and people were uptight.

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Big honkers, yeah. And I'm walking along with my agent and this guy is walking by and he looks kind of intense. And he sees me. And he says, I really fucking like your show, it's fucking good, but he said it.

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And my agent said, What's he so mad about? And he's a fan of the podcast. But he said it like, I'm going to fucking kill you. Yeah, but if you just look at the transcript, what he said was quite nice. He said, I really fucking like you.

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I like that fucking show. And then he kept walking and off to, I think, stab someone in the eye. But I was wondering, do you find people often like your material against their will? Yes, I think, oh, that makes sense.

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That is one way to look at it is every. It was going against his better judgment and he was angry, but I also felt like that's probably how he proposed to his wife. Yeah, I want to marry you, I'm going to marry the shit out of you.

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I'm going to put a fucking ring on your finger. We're going to be together for 50 years and be happy. Create eternal bond, be buried side by side. Fucker.

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Like, but that's how that kind of felt, like who he was. I get a little angrier in New York because you have to be on your a-game. You know, you're walking and then you're behind someone who's slow, and you're like, this fucking person who's slow and you walk around.

1Speaker 1
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Everybody's sunburned, yeah.

2Speaker 2
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Okay, I'm telling you, this is what happens. If I'm someplace for four days and one day is sunny, I will come back, you know, looking like a tomato. I just will, and I should have put on some sunscreen.

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I usually am pretty good about it, you are, you are what you are good about putting on sunscreen. Yeah, but I didn't do it when I was in New York because I thought the same thing.

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You guys are thinking, I'm not going to put on sunscreen and walk around New York City and again, it didn't even seem that sunny out. I shouldn't live on planet Earth, yeah.

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I don't think I belong on earth, all right. So what happens now? When you get a little burnt, like, do you have to like, go see your dermatologist?

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No, okay, all right. I don't know how it works with you, I don't think I'm with me.

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Yeah, I have to go into a hyperbaric chamber and I have to be attended to by mormons for nine weeks.

1Speaker 1
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What?

2Speaker 2
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They put creams and stuff on your face. Yeah, they cover me with creams, really. It's a Howard Hughes reference. He was attended by Mormons.

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You got to know your references. Why were Mormons anyway? Howard Hughes was very controlling, and he wanted white male Mormons to take care of him. I think he thought, I mean, look, the man was kind of kooky. Yes, a little kooky.

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I don't know how you sidetracked me, but I did what I thought was a clever reference and you could pick it up or not. But then-.

1Speaker 1
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I just asked.

2Speaker 2
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No, I know, and I'm telling you, I just asked, You know what?

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I didn't get the reference, I just asked. And you know what, if you were working for Howard Hughes, he'd be right now clawing at you with his 10 inch fingernails. To be fair, I kind of am working for Howard Hughes.

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Oh, please, I have more money than him. Wait, what happened? That's me, that's my mom.

?Unknown Speaker
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That's my alarm. Oh no, the water fell. Oh my God.

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Oh my God, let me explain.

2Speaker 2
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Dogs and cats live together. Let me explain to the listener what just happened. Why did your alarm go off? Because I had to put money, that's a microphone, I had to put money in my meter.

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Okay, and people are probably going to be like, what?

1Speaker 1
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You have to pay to go to work.

2Speaker 2
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And you know what, you give us all free parking spaces, but it's too far. What is that? These are very sensitive electronics underneath this table. Now Eduardo freaks out because Eduardo built this studio.

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And Eduardo, why don't you explain what could be happening to the electronic system? Wait, can we finish the story? because you didn't explain what happened? Just now? We'll get there in a second. Will you let the coach run the team?

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Are you the coach? Yeah, I'm a very masculine coach. This is Friday night lights, this will be brief. Thankfully, the water spilled over two microphone ports that we don't use that often, but essentially, I've got a port I don't use too often.

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But if we try to connect microphones to them, the likelihood is they're not going to work. Oh, is that true? Yeah, now do we have to take the whole table apart? I'll probably have to take the table apart at a future date and replace those two.

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Wait, why did you build something that could? is it made of sugar? Why did you build something that was so fragile? Well, electronics and water are usually not a good combination unless you know what you're doing. Now. I'm just saying, Eduardo, I'm not Jesus Christ.

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Did you even mention, coach, that you spilled water all over the table? Well, I think you're the one to blame. Because your alarm went off, I went to get your phone to turn it off. My microphone knocked over a glass of water.

1Speaker 1
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All I know is I'm not to blame.

2Speaker 2
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I retract the formula Electronics, Water and Conan.

1Speaker 1
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Not a good combination.

2Speaker 2
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I have a question, but shouldn't we? If we're not using ports? shouldn't they be covered? Aren't there port covers that we could be using? You're not going to blame Eduardo for this. No, Eduardo, don't you think that might be smart?

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Or can we put covers on the glasses? No, it wouldn't work because people frequently sip from the glasses. But if a microphone port is not in use, it should be covered, it should be covered. Should it not? Now tell me if you think I have a decent idea here, Adam.

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Be fair, okay, you're so far away from a microphone, he said. It was raining in New York. I think we should cover the microphone ports.

1Speaker 1
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Port covers is a brilliant idea.

2Speaker 2
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Maybe I'm thinking of it as a business idea. Eduardo, I forgive you for not thinking of it. Okay, wait, that only covers part of the problem. I have a point.

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What if your water just spilled all the way to Sona's mic, potentially, and Gorley's original mic? I would get to the water long before that happened. I have a comment to make. When you heard my phone go off, did you try to reach for my phone? Because you thought the phone was ringing and you wanted to answer it? No, I thought it was ringing with a soft g.

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Oh gosh, I've never put up a wrap sign more fervently than this.

1Speaker 1
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Maybe you need to grow up and not reach for my phone, or you're going to tip over your water, maybe it's behavioral.

2Speaker 2
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I agree, of course Eduardo's on your side because he was the one that failed to build the challenger properly. Sona, you're saying bad boundaries is what tipped over that water. I'm saying, if you were a little bit more mature in handling my phone going off than this entire situation during a podcast.

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I think that's an egregious mistake. Give me a parking spot, give you a parking spot, you see how much space is back there, I know.

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Now Jeff likes to come and cark in kind of a funky way. Of course, Adam has to be here, right? Yeah, but Jeff sends his car over. Even when he doesn't come in, he has someone drive his car over and wedge it into the parking space.

1Speaker 1
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Some of us have families.

2Speaker 2
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Andy comes with a big van that runs on castor oil. There's no room back there. I know in your defense, I don't know why I'm defending you after just criticizing you.

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You do give me a free parking space, it's just like a block away, I don't want to walk there.

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Of course, no, you can't, you can't be out in the sun. I think what we learned here is the following There was enough sun for me to get burned in New York.

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So Adam, you lose. The microphone ports should be covered. You should have thought of that. Eduardo Sona You have a free parking space that's only a block away.

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You could have gotten there and you should turn off your alarm when you come in. Conan wins again. Hey, my guest today is a musician and co-founder of the Black Crows, whose 10th studio album, Happiness Bastards, is out now.

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Chris Robinson, welcome.

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You are going to get so much attention from me, I adore you, you know that I am a massive fan of your work. We can get into all that.

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But boy, you talk about, oh man. I've always wanted to meet Chris Robinson. And then from the first time I met you, when you would come on the Late Night show, you were so goddamn hilarious. And then I'm talking, I ran into you recently. And let's just say we hung out for a little bit, let's just say.

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Let's just say, see what I mean about these mixed messages.

1Speaker 1
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Let's just say there was a hang.

2Speaker 2
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There was a hang with the Robinson brothers. Maybe we did and maybe we didn't, and some tequila was involved, some high-end tequila. We had a really good time and you were making me laugh so hard, and at one point you said something to me.

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I think you mentioned your wife and I said, Oh, your wife, and you said, Yes, yes, my third wife. And then you said, I'm not afraid to love Conan.

1Speaker 1
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And I started laughing so hard.

2Speaker 2
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And you were that level of funny the whole time, I was just so delighted. Yeah, because you're a very talented musician, front man for one of the great bands of all time. And I also think you are a comedian. I think you are a really funny fucking comedian.

1Speaker 1
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My initial foray into the business, we all know, is show.

2Speaker 2
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Thank you.

1Speaker 1
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And when I was a teenager, I knew I wasn't probably going to be the manager at Barnes Nobles or whatever.

2Speaker 2
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Because you didn't try, you need to really dedicate yourself.

1Speaker 1
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My dyslexic reality has made it very difficult for me in the day job world. So I had an acting class and I was horrible. I was a horrible actor. But the guy who ran it had a local cable show, it was like a sketch comedy show.

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And I would be like, Oh, I can do the rabbi who sells, you know, barbecue or whatever. Yeah, exactly. He thought I wasn't a good actor, but he thought I was funny and he was like, Oh, write some sketches, and then I started doing that.

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And then the very first thing I ever did was stand-up comedy. At this club I opened for. What's the guy's name? Washington Older?

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George Washington Not that guy.

2Speaker 2
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No, he never did.

1Speaker 1
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There's other people than George Washington, I mean, he's a very big one.

2Speaker 2
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You went right to the oldest and the most famous Washington.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, which is cool that we could just narrow it down so quickly.

2Speaker 2
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Yes, what has made it big?

1Speaker 1
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No, but he's big, he's a Black comic, he's older, he wears a kangol backwards. George Wallace.

2Speaker 2
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Yes, George Wallace, you confused him with another famous statesman, George Wallace.

1Speaker 1
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Make America George Wallace again, again, they're doing it in Alabama. You opened for George Wallace. Hold on a minute.

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But yes, George Wallace, I opened for him, that's crazy, and it was horrible.

2Speaker 2
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I didn't know any of this.

1Speaker 1
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He was funny and I do wonder sometimes, though, if I had, you know what I mean? Because, like anything else you practice, the dark arts, comedy is a whole, entire dimensional thing.

2Speaker 2
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But trust me, Chris, you chose wisely, because every comedian, myself included, we dabble. I walk around, I play my guitar in front of the mirror, still at my advanced age.

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I dream about, you know, getting to live that life. And I don't even mean in a big way. I mean, if I was just touring and just barely getting by in an old van.

1Speaker 1
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I'd do the same thing.

2Speaker 2
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I feel like I would do that.

1Speaker 1
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I'm at the chuckle bucket in Oklahoma. I put on 50 pounds. It's like Jake Lamotta talking at the end of his career.

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And I dream, too.

2Speaker 2
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You can dream, you can dream, you guys should switch, you take on the Black Crows and you take on this podcast.

1Speaker 1
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I know, but he's been very successful, but his music dream goes to like....

2Speaker 2
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Mine would.

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I'm telling you I would take....

1Speaker 1
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You're like Johnny Thunders in New Orleans the last day before it's all over. Was it a crime? We don't know.

2Speaker 2
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I would take down the black crows instantly, you would let me borrow the black crows for one day, and it would be, Nope. It's over and you can never use that name again. I remember very clearly and I've talked to you about this, but your band was very important to me at a very important time.

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So around 1990 is when I'm.

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Around the time I'm leaving SNL, I'm going to go work on the Simpsons. And I am driving around a lot alone. And I am listening to shake your money maker until the thing just....

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I think I had a.

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It was back when you would slide a CD into the Ford Taurus you were driving around, and that's a true story.

1Speaker 1
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God forbid, a cassette gets in there.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah, God forbid, yeah. I think my problem was I was shoving a cassette.

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Into the Ford Taurus. This is so great. And then flash forward a little time. And I'm about to leave the Simpsons and I know that something big is going to happen in my life. I can just sense it. I'm about to take on this late night show.

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And the Southern Harmony and Musical Companion comes out, and for my money, as much as I know, Shake your money maker was the atomic bomb blast. I think the Southern Harmony and Musical Companion is a perfect, perfect album.

1Speaker 1
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Album It's our best one.

2Speaker 2
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It's absolutely fantastic. And I listened to it and I listened to it. And I listened to it. And I listened to Remedy. And then into thorn in my pride. And I would drive around at night like a serial killer, without the killing part, which kind of ruined it.

1Speaker 1
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But just the obsession and the focus and the staring.

2Speaker 2
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And choosing my victims, but not doing anything.

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You have a van that's ready, but you just never use it. I have all these tools, but I don't use those either.

1Speaker 1
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Let the madness overtake you, but not completely sweep you away, of course.

2Speaker 2
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Walk to the edge. You know what I was, I was the slacker serial killer, I never quite could get my ass up and do the actual crime.

1Speaker 1
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Or you're like the serial killer with obsessive-compulsive disorder who's like?

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There must be a chat room for that.

2Speaker 2
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But anyway, that was huge for me. And then over the years, on the Late Night Show, you guys would come on and one of my favorite memories. And I have a still photo of it somewhere. You were touring with the great Jimmy Page, you and your brother, the Black Crows with Jimmy Page.

1Speaker 1
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We call him Jim, I'm just kidding, I call him Jim, you call him Mr. Page.

2Speaker 2
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You call him Sir, Page.

1Speaker 1
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Sir Page.

2Speaker 2
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But you guys did something with him, which was mind-blowing. And then you came over and you sat down. And you had said, just before the show, you said, Hey Conan, I want you to bring out the masturbating bear while I'm sitting there. That's the only reason.

1Speaker 1
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I thought he would be here today.

2Speaker 2
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That's the only reason you're here.

1Speaker 1
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Now it's like we have a lactating raccoon.

2Speaker 2
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It's a male raccoon.

1Speaker 1
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We're out of oat milk, but bring that raccoon in here. the raccoon's nipples are hanging on the table. Leave me alone enough. What's wrong with you?

2Speaker 2
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Get some fucking oat milk.

1Speaker 1
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Like everybody else in Los Angeles.

2Speaker 2
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So I said, yes. So the great thing is that, of course, you and Rich, you know what's going on. You've watched the show before, you were chatting with Jimmy Page, the creator of Led Zeppelin, when all of a sudden we had the bear come out and start masturbating.

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And Jimmy has this look of like, I've seen it all, I'm sorry. And he didn't know what it was. But a bear came out in a diaper and started masturbating in front of him. On national television. And he was just like, Oh, this happened in 72 in Seattle, my boy.

1Speaker 1
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He's like, I live in Aleister Crowley's home.

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You know what I mean, this is nothing.

2Speaker 2
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You think a masturbating bear will phase me?

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I don't buy a masturbating bear.

1Speaker 1
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And he's like, that bear's not really masturbating, he's just simply touching the bulge in his diaper very quickly.

2Speaker 2
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My boy, let me show you how it's done. Let me bring out my whips.

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Yeah, it was, so there was a picture, I gotta find it, but I got it framed. I love it so much. And it's you and your brother and Jimmy between you and the bear batting at the bulge in his diaper.

1Speaker 1
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The bear also, like, because of like, you know, I was so excited, you know what I mean, make America great again, bring that motherfucker back.

2Speaker 2
00:20:13.74 – 00:20:26.28

You know what I mean? We did an episode once towards the end where we revealed the identity of the bear and he's masturbating. And then we removed it. And it was Jim Carrey, and Jim Carrey was in the suit I was around too.

1Speaker 1
00:20:26.36 – 00:20:29.04

I'm no Jim Carrey, but I could have jumped in there.

2Speaker 2
00:20:29.22 – 00:20:49.48

You could still do it, we still got that costume, we can hose it off. But you know, you've said that all those years of touring, the drugs interested you. Not as much. Like the sex like you'd read about it in these other heavy metal groups that were into group sex. And you had this great quote.

00:20:54.48 – 00:20:58.40

And I was like, he's right, maybe that's why I've never done it.

1Speaker 1
00:20:58.50 – 00:20:59.22

Let me tell you something.

00:21:00.86 – 00:21:07.34

I don't know why I'm the way I am, but it's like, I didn't do group sex and I don't do all. You can eat sushi, you know what I mean?

00:21:09.24 – 00:21:18.02

When you see all you can eat. I don't know if that's something that I want access to as much as I can, until I vomit or whatever. It's just weird.

00:21:24.32 – 00:21:37.38

I'm not that kind of person I liked a relationship doesn't mean I was very good at them. Until very recently. The jury is still out. But what if you meet a girl and she doesn't have any big star records?

00:21:37.52 – 00:21:38.08

You know what I mean you're like?

00:21:39.98 – 00:21:45.10

Your shoes don't go with this outfit, you know what I mean?

2Speaker 2
00:21:45.74 – 00:21:47.66

Wow, your bar is so high.

00:21:49.72 – 00:21:52.72

All they need to know, as far as I'm concerned.

00:21:56.24 – 00:21:57.80

Is you were a game show host?

1Speaker 1
00:21:57.90 – 00:21:58.54

Good enough?

2Speaker 2
00:22:00.16 – 00:22:03.88

You want a movie or something? Yeah, whatever, let's go.

1Speaker 1
00:22:03.98 – 00:22:05.94

I saw you on an episode of Canon.

2Speaker 2
00:22:07.56 – 00:22:13.14

And to catch a predator? Yeah, whatever, sure, and I did get caught, so what?

00:22:25.32 – 00:22:38.02

The trajectory that you guys went through, I think in the space of, I don't know if it's like a year. Maybe you go from playing to. I think you've said, maybe 18 people in a room.

1Speaker 1
00:22:38.02 – 00:22:39.64

Sometimes I wish it was 18.

2Speaker 2
00:22:39.80 – 00:22:49.06

18 people in a room, let's say, and a year later, after shake your money maker, you're playing to hundreds of thousands of people in Moscow.

1Speaker 1
00:22:49.08 – 00:22:49.82

All around the world.

2Speaker 2
00:22:51.36 – 00:22:52.42

And you're how old?

1Speaker 1
00:22:55.32 – 00:22:56.80

Just turning 20.

00:22:57.20 – 00:22:57.60

21..

2Speaker 2
00:22:58.18 – 00:23:10.58

I've always said again, I don't have a lot of experience with drugs, but I defy anyone to find a more powerful drug than adulation. From a big crowd. I think that goes right into your heart. Very powerful cocaine.

1Speaker 1
00:23:11.02 – 00:23:21.22

You know, it's funny. Izzy Stradlin, from Guns n Roses, invited Rich and I to his house in early 1990. We were out here and we were like, that's guns n roses, they're still guns n roses.

00:23:25.32 – 00:23:35.46

And we were like, Cool, and he was like, Oh man, thanks for coming over, I just wanted to meet you guys. I don't know if you're prepared for what's going to happen, and we were like, you're going to pay for lunch.

00:23:35.64 – 00:23:38.76

I didn't know we're prepared for that. I have $8..

00:23:40.84 – 00:23:45.68

You just sold 800 million records. But no, we're not getting lunch, never mind, never mind.

00:23:47.30 – 00:23:50.68

But what fame he goes, you just hang on.

00:23:55.32 – 00:24:10.10

Think about those things. It's the same thing I was teasing before about reading a book or whatever. At the end of 1991, we're in Europe and David Bowie is in a band called Tin Machine. I remember that guitar player who's now in the cure.

00:24:10.34 – 00:24:21.26

Fantastic guitar player, great guy. I haven't seen him in a little while. We were all in Dublin together and it was funny. I look back on this day, it was funny.

00:24:21.26 – 00:24:27.68

You want to have breakfast with me and David Bowie? I was like, Yeah, of course I do. He's paying, right, I'm just kidding.

2Speaker 2
00:24:28.20 – 00:24:29.34

You're obsessed with that.

1Speaker 1
00:24:29.60 – 00:24:31.14

I'm just saying at the time.

2Speaker 2
00:24:31.48 – 00:24:33.14

That water's on us, by the way.

1Speaker 1
00:24:34.16 – 00:24:46.96

But at the time, I was probably very nervous. But again, I had made one record, my life is changing, but I've made one record. It's fucking David Bowie, he's a rock chameleon.

00:24:47.54 – 00:24:48.88

But he's David Bowie.

00:24:51.38 – 00:25:06.46

He's already this archetype of a certain thing that we associate culturally with rock and roll. What am I going to be like? Well, there was that time I was in the studio last week, I hadn't traveled, I haven't done anything.

00:25:07.24 – 00:25:19.00

He was very aloof, but I realized, what did I have to offer that conversation? Even if I'm smart? Whatever? It wasn't adding up.

00:25:21.26 – 00:25:34.40

Edge has a birthday party at his mansion. We're invited to that. So Bono was there, he was dressed as Shea Rivera, which he was. It was Shea Rivera night.

2Speaker 2
00:25:34.40 – 00:25:35.10

In Ireland.

1Speaker 1
00:25:37.22 – 00:25:39.88

He was completely.

00:25:39.88 – 00:25:43.72

So I thought he was, it wasn't Paul Pott, I'll tell you that.

2Speaker 2
00:25:46.22 – 00:25:47.62

That was Friday.

1Speaker 1
00:25:48.04 – 00:25:58.56

Yeah, that was a private party, it's pretty good to have a costume party, but it has to be in private. Where everyone comes with the worst person in the world. I'm like, there's two Jim Joneses here.

00:26:00.16 – 00:26:00.56

Guys.

2Speaker 2
00:26:03.48 – 00:26:05.56

We got a call ahead.

1Speaker 1
00:26:05.72 – 00:26:07.34

I thought you were coming as Herman Hesse.

2Speaker 2
00:26:08.84 – 00:26:10.22

The wrong size boots?

1Speaker 1
00:26:10.78 – 00:26:11.84

God damn it.

00:26:14.00 – 00:26:17.02

I'm not saying Shea is a bad person, not at all, he's a revolutionary.

00:26:21.26 – 00:26:29.40

He goes, You poor bastard, you'll never sell that many records again. You know that? I was like, Jesus Bono, I don't know what's going to happen.

00:26:29.52 – 00:26:32.72

Oh, I do, I'm bono, look at me, I'm in my fatigues.

00:26:34.84 – 00:26:41.80

But he said that in a way, though, I get it, because other bands, bands that we love.

00:26:43.70 – 00:27:02.74

Every story is different. To get to where you end up. I always envied the You Have One record. It's pretty good you could terrace up this thing and start to learn your way around an industry and a business that can be horrible.

00:27:03.26 – 00:27:14.82

Some of the worst people in the world. Again. It's the same thing when you sign your first record contract and the lawyer goes, This is the worst thing you'll ever see. I'll sign that.

00:27:20.08 – 00:27:30.34

Even if it is successful, my children will know. No, I'll sign that, you know what I mean, you do it, because at the time there's nothing else.

2Speaker 2
00:27:30.40 – 00:27:44.22

You just played in front of 18 people and someone's saying, we will make this record and we will put it out. Just sign this and you will sign it. Lorne Michaels said To me, one of the truest things I know it's true now.

1Speaker 1
00:27:44.76 – 00:27:45.18

And he said.

2Speaker 2
00:27:54.28 – 00:28:00.44

Many people would say I was signing away a lot of things, but I was brand new.

1Speaker 1
00:28:00.80 – 00:28:02.90

You don't have a lot of leverage, I had no leverage.

2Speaker 2
00:28:03.38 – 00:28:14.72

What he said to me was, he said, Look, he was absolutely right. Many of the smartest things I've heard about show business have been from Lorne Michaels, he said. Conan, they take advantage of you for five years.

00:28:19.52 – 00:28:26.58

But if you put in the time and you can hang in there, then you get to say. If you want more of what I'm doing, I would like to set the terms now.

1Speaker 1
00:28:26.72 – 00:28:34.34

Isn't it weird? Before the Kardashians came on TV, five years seemed like a long time. Now it's like 83 seasons of that bullshit, you know what I mean, yeah.

00:28:39.10 – 00:28:46.50

I've never even seen five seconds of it. I thought it would be funny. I don't know if it's funny, if you're just being nice.

2Speaker 2
00:28:49.52 – 00:28:50.90

It is very funny.

00:28:52.70 – 00:29:15.24

I'm always stunned now. It used to be an epic run. If a TV show was on for six years, it was like, Wow, you guys did six years and you're going to go into syndication. Now. I'm constantly seeing that a show that I swear to God, sounds like it just went on the air three years ago. Not even the Bachelor or the Bachelorette, but Bachelorette's on stilts.

00:29:15.66 – 00:29:19.80

They'll say, we're celebrating our 40th season.

1Speaker 1
00:29:20.12 – 00:29:23.94

And you're like, What happened? The show came out in 1971??

00:29:26.28 – 00:29:28.12

Can I tell you a funny story, though?

2Speaker 2
00:29:28.12 – 00:29:28.80

Nope, no time.

1Speaker 1
00:29:28.90 – 00:29:36.78

See you guys later bye shut the door the day we had made shake your money maker, it's in the can, it's finished.

00:29:36.90 – 00:29:50.12

The artwork is done, they're going to give us the release date. We had a show in a place called Rome, Georgia. There's a boarding school there that my dad and Rich actually went to. They had a little bar up there and we'd play there.

00:29:50.12 – 00:29:55.92

Occasionally, we'd drive the van up, it's like 90 miles. We were called Mr. Crow's Garden.

00:29:56.70 – 00:30:11.30

It just didn't fit our little jangly, psychedelic 60s kind of name, didn't fit what we were doing, George, and everyone said, you need a new name. We liked the crows. That's why we keep the E in it because of the book, Mr.

00:30:11.46 – 00:30:11.66

Crow.

00:30:16.10 – 00:30:28.30

And we say, in the van, that's it. Today, we had a couple of names. We're the Black Crows from here. No matter what happens, we were all in on this. Yes, we make that decision.

00:30:28.44 – 00:30:38.84

We go to the gig, we set up our gear, we do soundcheck. There's a band that's opening for us, that's like a dad and a daughter and a cousin, and some family band.

00:30:39.00 – 00:30:41.20

I don't know if they were Christians, I don't know what they were doing.

00:30:46.10 – 00:30:56.80

When we come back, those guys finish their set, we look like we're doing a gig. It's a real fucking gig. We're the fucking Black Crows. We made an album.

00:30:57.54 – 00:31:11.44

We walk out on stage, we fucking open with jealous again. The only people in the club are the dad, the daughter and the cousin. Hold on, they're sitting there and they're eating subway sandwiches while we're playing.

00:31:18.10 – 00:31:24.48

Four people, the opening band. We're like, jealous again, blah, blah, blah.

2Speaker 2
00:31:26.74 – 00:31:27.42

Oh.

00:31:29.06 – 00:31:32.36

Wow, I'm like, yes.

1Speaker 1
00:31:32.72 – 00:31:35.94

You know what I mean, here we come, world beaters.

2Speaker 2
00:31:36.08 – 00:31:54.54

Fantastic. It's funny because the dynamic your brother could not be less like you. It's so fantastic how different you guys are. I've got to know him a little bit. You've described yourself as a dyslexic, extrovert and rich as an OCD introvert.

00:31:55.12 – 00:31:56.86

I thought when I read that description.

1Speaker 1
00:31:56.86 – 00:31:59.68

I said that in a therapy session and it got out.

2Speaker 2
00:32:01.14 – 00:32:04.78

I was the therapist, I was a bad idea.

1Speaker 1
00:32:05.44 – 00:32:08.16

I just came in for the meds and now all of this.

2Speaker 2
00:32:09.60 – 00:32:19.56

But it's fascinating that it works so well. And then at other times, you guys would have to say, that's it. Can't do this anymore for a long period of time.

1Speaker 1
00:32:21.48 – 00:32:38.34

For every band, every business, every partnership, everything has its ebb and flow, and good and bad. I love the people that kept their shit private. We were just not going to be that way. To us, our connection with music and everything is an emotional connection, it's a feeling.

00:32:38.84 – 00:32:49.74

We didn't learn music rich, and I don't know any music. If you put it in front of us, I don't know what key I'm singing. It is something that we've developed.

00:32:50.98 – 00:33:14.52

Yes, of course, we know a little bit of music 35 years later, but it's really just a visceral connection to what it is. In the same way, that's how we write. Rich will play me the little. It could be the littlest thing, it could be a rhythmic thing, a seventh note, it could be whatever it is dictates. That's where I start, that's where I come in.

00:33:14.68 – 00:33:15.04

This song.

00:33:17.50 – 00:33:24.36

Whatever the theme is going to be comes from something she talks to. Angels is a great example. We were still living at mom and dad's house.

00:33:27.38 – 00:33:51.52

When we started mucking around with Open E, that song is funny because it was very easy to write a scene or a story about. I knew someone that looked a certain way, who I at the time had heard was into heroin or hard drugs, but I don't know. They never had a child or lost a child.

00:33:57.38 – 00:34:13.36

I can tell that story without just whatever that little thing is rich plays me. I've written many songs by myself, written songs with other people, and it's different. That's what he and I do. Between our OCD and dyslexia, we make one functioning songwriter.

00:34:14.38 – 00:34:16.18

We're one, Billy Joel.

00:34:26.60 – 00:34:27.40

I'm picturing.

00:34:27.40 – 00:34:29.30

Billy Joel, who doesn't shower?

2Speaker 2
00:34:31.00 – 00:34:40.64

I'm picturing when little kids, when one gets on the other's shoulder and they put on a big trench coat. And try to go to the movie theater as an adult. And the hand comes out of the crotch to pay for it. Instead, they play piano.

1Speaker 1
00:34:43.50 – 00:34:50.60

By the way, what's the Billy Joel song where he goes? What's the one where he breaks into a vampire voice? You know what I'm talking about?

2Speaker 2
00:34:50.72 – 00:34:54.00

I don't know that one Long Island vampire.

1Speaker 1
00:34:54.08 – 00:34:57.26

No, it's one of his big hits, Yeah, The Long Island Vampire.

2Speaker 2
00:34:57.66 – 00:34:58.72

Big shot.

1Speaker 1
00:34:59.72 – 00:35:00.56

Big shot.

00:35:02.98 – 00:35:06.12

Yes, that's so fucking crazy. I was like, What is he?

2Speaker 2
00:35:06.22 – 00:35:10.54

That's so crazy. I started to scan my brain and I just said, Billy Joel vampire.

00:35:15.76 – 00:35:20.22

Count Chocula Yeah, count Chocula, Well, you're not coming to my castle.

1Speaker 1
00:35:21.32 – 00:35:27.36

That's so fucking hilarious. Someone talk to the bass player because I'm in the key of e flat, what?

2Speaker 2
00:35:31.12 – 00:35:34.46

After every concert, his band mysteriously disappears.

1Speaker 1
00:35:34.72 – 00:35:38.20

Will you get him on your just to ask him what the fuck was that?

2Speaker 2
00:35:38.48 – 00:35:43.74

I would ask him about the other song where he's like, JFK Blown away, the one where he's just listing.

00:35:46.82 – 00:35:55.36

And then him being on Billy Joel was on Saturday Night Live and he was performing that song. We didn't start the fire, but then it's the whole list of like.

1Speaker 1
00:35:55.66 – 00:35:59.20

Very true indoors Day. Red China Johnny Ray South Pacific, Walter Winfield, Joe Dimaggio.

2Speaker 2
00:35:59.30 – 00:36:02.50

Okay, well, you're fired, get out.

1Speaker 1
00:36:03.00 – 00:36:04.84

I have erectile dysfunction after that.

2Speaker 2
00:36:05.70 – 00:36:14.24

I have a huge boner. But anyway, I remembered watching being back near the craft food service table where the double doors are.

00:36:16.76 – 00:36:22.82

And he's standing there and he's singing that song, listing things, and Jim Downey's standing there and he turned to me and he went, He's just listing things.

00:36:25.06 – 00:36:31.68

This is when it was like the number one song in the country. But Jim Downey knew he's just listing things.

1Speaker 1
00:36:31.98 – 00:36:34.56

Just reading the credits while they go down.

00:36:36.14 – 00:36:38.88

It's like, Oh, bring me my Encyclopedia Britannica.

00:36:40.42 – 00:36:42.56

Which ones do you want? All of them, all of them.

00:36:46.96 – 00:36:50.22

Sorry, I didn't know why he does the breaks into the vampire sound.

2Speaker 2
00:36:50.40 – 00:36:51.72

Well, you know.

1Speaker 1
00:36:52.02 – 00:36:52.94

It was the 70s.

2Speaker 2
00:36:52.98 – 00:37:11.66

He was feeling it. You think you're a big shot, you know? What's fascinating to me is that people get all jumbled up about time later on and it doesn't matter. But you have to understand that in 1990, nobody was dressing like you.

00:37:12.00 – 00:37:14.16

There was a Seattle punk thing that was starting to happen.

00:37:16.76 – 00:37:24.12

And then you guys and you're, I think you've called it Mick Jagger, circa 1970.

1Speaker 1
00:37:24.68 – 00:37:44.36

Yeah, we really loved, like the 72 stones, that was like the way Keith kind of looked the stooges. But it's funny because I always remember it was hard to find clothes like that and everyone had looked like guns and roses.

00:37:44.84 – 00:38:06.82

We went to England for the first time and they had a place called Kensington Market. Fabulous, amazing place. Like crazy stalls and homemade wild clothes and all sorts of stuff, punk things, goth things, whatever it could be. And I bought a pair of maroon kind of bell bottoms.

00:38:07.32 – 00:38:11.86

And we came back to the states and we were on tour with Aerosmith, funny enough.

00:38:13.72 – 00:38:26.88

But we played a gig in Rochester, New York, there's a baseball stadium there, and it was Black Crows. Warrant, Metallica, Aerosmith. We're on first and I remember this.

00:38:27.30 – 00:38:40.76

And I come out of the thing and I'm like wearing my bell bottom. The way we look and people are like snickering at me and I'm like, Y'all, motherfuckers, laugh all you want. I look cool, I feel cool.

00:38:41.66 – 00:38:49.94

And we went up and did the gig. And a lot of Metallica fans are carving pentagrams and bleeding in their hands. Fuck you.

?Unknown Speaker
00:38:50.62 – 00:38:51.82

I hate you.

2Speaker 2
00:38:52.32 – 00:38:53.20

Oh, I get that a lot.

1Speaker 1
00:38:53.94 – 00:39:00.80

We were the worst thing they've ever seen, but we're still kind of street. We're from Atlanta and I get up there.

00:39:06.50 – 00:39:08.48

And I'm like, bring it up here, big boy.

00:39:10.20 – 00:39:16.22

They're fucking throwing tennis shoes and golf balls and shit at us. I'm like, who's bringing golf balls?

00:39:18.64 – 00:39:38.76

Bang, bang. And so we did it and we brought a pocket full of fucking golf balls to this gig. Security, so we do the gig. And some people, I can imagine we're still here. But we were like, this, you know, fuck y'all, we're going to do our fucking thing and you can't stop us.

00:39:38.82 – 00:39:54.08

That's part of this weird rock and roll thing. So we go backstage and we played 30 minutes or whatever. Warrant is going on next and they come out of the trailer. In these little matching outfits, they look like the Osmond family. You know what I mean?

00:39:54.32 – 00:39:55.88

Crazy horse hands.

00:40:01.78 – 00:40:24.22

One's got a blue shirt, one's got a white shirt, blue pants, white legs, you know, little outfits, and these guys are wearing these little. At the time, I guess they had never saw the Osmond family. So the stadium, I don't know. There's 50,000 people in there and you just hear, warrant sucks, warrant sucks, and that whole place is ringing this out.

00:40:24.60 – 00:40:25.46

It's loud.

00:40:31.78 – 00:40:42.00

And they're on their sweatpants and got on the bus and they left, and I was like, I mean, I get it. They didn't even know we were the Black Crows enough to say we sucked, we would have gone out anyway.

2Speaker 2
00:40:43.10 – 00:40:44.68

Insert name here sucks.

1Speaker 1
00:40:47.96 – 00:40:49.66

These people wanted Metallica.

00:40:51.46 – 00:41:08.64

And Aerosmith, which is totally cool, of course. But I was like, if you really believe in Metallica weather, the storm, get up there, give it to them. You don't know, you can't just fold.

00:41:08.78 – 00:41:16.12

I'm not picking on them, I'm sure they're rad dudes. I don't hang out with them at the all-you-can-eat sushi place.

2Speaker 2
00:41:18.56 – 00:41:20.68

But they're coming, they're here in 20 minutes.

00:41:23.76 – 00:41:29.68

But I'm just no, you have to say this is what we're doing, you can't ask.

00:41:31.78 – 00:41:46.54

The essence of not just rock and roll, but comedy is this is what we're doing and there's no going back. And you just have to say this is what it is. And if you're asking permission, it's not going to work.

1Speaker 1
00:41:46.66 – 00:41:53.56

Ever, it would never, ever work, and I think I don't know, I think there might be an argument that today.

00:42:01.78 – 00:42:05.64

The reality of art and being an outside person in the world.

00:42:07.54 – 00:42:21.98

It's not about conforming, we're not doing that. You know what? I mean, it's just not going to fit. If you think this is mental illness, wait till you see trying to force something that doesn't work in that way.

00:42:23.40 – 00:42:24.08

And I think that.

00:42:26.54 – 00:42:55.72

That's part of what you want to say, part of the way we wanted to sound, the way we wanted to look. Was defiant towards other things that were going on. And I think in the corporate landscape of today, and just the way the culture works, outside of what is the to me, it's status really rules everything, but to obtain a certain amount of status, you have to comply. And you know what I mean?

00:42:55.94 – 00:43:00.38

So our whole philosophic slant was defiance.

00:43:01.94 – 00:43:06.72

You're defiant in the face of the business that says you're from Atlanta and you're not in L.

00:43:06.72 – 00:43:06.96

A.

2Speaker 2
00:43:08.98 – 00:43:10.52

You're not wearing the right clothes.

1Speaker 1
00:43:10.70 – 00:43:11.60

You're not playing the game.

00:43:13.30 – 00:43:21.98

We had lots of managers listen to Shake your moneymaker and said, that singer is horrible because this is at the age of.

00:43:23.56 – 00:43:45.74

Everyone's very high voice and metal and rock, things like that, and I didn't sing that way. And it was like, we don't know what this is, which is kind of funny today that we have a record out now, that it's different. Because, of course, we have three decades plus of people knowing what it is. But that it has the reaction that it has had.

2Speaker 2
00:43:46.24 – 00:43:50.48

I've been blasting it in my car, I upgraded from a Ford Taurus.

00:43:52.14 – 00:43:55.00

To the new Ford Taurus just coming out.

00:43:57.80 – 00:44:01.12

That's the kind of cloud I have, it's made of gold.

00:44:03.86 – 00:44:11.84

Happiness Bastards and I've been blasting this and it's great, it's fantastic, and you guys haven't missed a beat, you really haven't.

00:44:11.98 – 00:44:18.60

It doesn't feel like it at all. I think it's been 15 years since the last time you guys worked together.

1Speaker 1
00:44:18.86 – 00:44:26.22

Yeah, since we made it, we're in the studio doing stuff new, you know, original song, original things that we've....

2Speaker 2
00:44:26.22 – 00:44:29.52

Did you do this with George? No, no.

1Speaker 1
00:44:29.68 – 00:44:32.26

We did it with this guy, Jay Joyce, in Nashville.

00:44:34.00 – 00:44:36.66

He's a little submarine.

2Speaker 2
00:44:38.70 – 00:44:41.68

Does he? Yeah, yeah, dive, dive.

1Speaker 1
00:44:41.96 – 00:44:42.88

He has two submarines.

2Speaker 2
00:44:42.96 – 00:44:47.52

Oh, wow, okay, nice, I mean, because also I mean the guitar sound.

1Speaker 1
00:44:51.66 – 00:44:58.86

And you know, we went through the things that we've gone through and people always say, Well, how did you do?

00:44:58.86 – 00:45:14.60

You know, the cynicism in the world is, Oh, you're going to do this. It's a money crap. And it's funny because rich is like people who don't know about the music business is. No matter where we are, we're still the Black Crows and we're worth tickets.

00:45:21.66 – 00:45:34.06

And we put on a good show, so every year we didn't do the Black Crows. Someone calls up and goes, You know, I'll tell you what? If you guys get it together, we'll put you out there. Here's what money's going to be. I just think of a guy....

2Speaker 2
00:45:34.06 – 00:45:35.46

You guys know Chad Clampett?

1Speaker 1
00:45:36.86 – 00:45:37.26

Yeah.

00:45:38.88 – 00:45:41.28

It's just a guy in cowboy boots and a gold chain.

2Speaker 2
00:45:41.64 – 00:45:43.56

You gotta get out there, there's a lot of money.

1Speaker 1
00:45:51.66 – 00:46:04.66

You worry about the agent, you worry about the union representative. I don't even know what you're talking about. You just want to play the show. But there was always an offer for us to do it. But I think the time we....

00:46:04.66 – 00:46:18.06

I just had had enough of the black crows and knowing full well that I'm a part of the problem. I'm not the solution. I am a part of the problem. We all were at the time, but I did have.

00:46:21.66 – 00:46:34.32

It was great for Rich and I, you know what I mean, because what does every band say in a documentary? I was watching my Bloody Valentine or some Shoegaze documentary. And they were like, if we had just taken six months off, it wouldn't have blown up. And you don't do it.

00:46:34.62 – 00:46:42.14

You just don't do it. I don't know what. That is youth ambition, that thing, Izzy Stradlin said when it takes off.

2Speaker 2
00:46:51.66 – 00:46:52.62

Is that true?

1Speaker 1
00:46:53.26 – 00:46:53.62

Yeah, well.

00:46:55.42 – 00:47:00.70

They get older and they're like, I have cousins.

00:47:04.42 – 00:47:05.74

Yeah, you do.

2Speaker 2
00:47:06.49 – 00:47:07.94

How come we don't know them?

1Speaker 1
00:47:08.50 – 00:47:23.84

I don't know them either. That becomes something else. The whole family, my wife Camille as well, eventually was like, What is it? Let's talk about it. What's with the anger?

00:47:23.96 – 00:47:40.10

What's with the resentment? And it just turned out to be a perfect time. And again, we're not that clever. It just felt right and we could deal with each other and subsequently it's been fantastic.

00:47:41.18 – 00:47:47.82

And that us versus them sort of mentality is real, and I think it's important in terms of like.

00:47:51.10 – 00:48:08.10

We felt that way about art, we felt that way about rock and roll, we feel that way about a lot of things because we're passionate. And we believe that there's something else, that's not just status, that's not just success. The way it looks like, there's something magic in making music.

00:48:08.52 – 00:48:36.10

There's something magic about listening to it, about being inspired by it, about going to see live music. You know what? I mean? Our house is just full of records, and when I'm not making music, I'm driving everyone crazy because we just listen to music. And it's probably because of the way my mind works. Music starts to make the unreal real, it gives it a certain construct.

00:48:37.78 – 00:48:39.04

Your daily life.

2Speaker 2
00:48:39.24 – 00:48:53.54

You know what I mean? I don't know what it is. I mean, everyone's experienced this, but I try to stay in shape as much as I can, especially as I get older. I really don't want to go for a run, I really don't want to get on my bike.

00:48:53.70 – 00:49:01.60

I just don't want to do it, but if I put the earbuds in. And a good example is listen to Black Crowes.

00:49:03.80 – 00:49:15.82

Cranked into my ears, I can suddenly do things that I couldn't do before, and I don't know what that is, but I'm suddenly. And everyone's experienced this. This isn't a new thing.

00:49:17.58 – 00:49:20.78

And I start to have ideas and I start to feel like I've got this.

00:49:20.78 – 00:49:29.54

I come up with all these ideas for fun, cool things I'd like to try and do. And as soon as my heart rate starts to slow down afterwards, I go....

1Speaker 1
00:49:30.22 – 00:49:33.94

I'm not doing any of that, I'm a man with no dreams.

2Speaker 2
00:49:34.90 – 00:49:44.06

The dream's over because I stopped listening to the Black Crowes. But I do have that. There is a magic there and I think....

00:49:47.58 – 00:49:53.74

I think what's changed is there is an obsession, not just in music, but in.

00:49:53.74 – 00:50:11.06

There's an obsession across the board comedy, music, film, with the business side of it as a status thing. And I don't think artists used to talk about that. But now it's kind of seen as a cool thing if you're seen as like a corporate brand.

00:50:11.28 – 00:50:12.94

And I don't think that used to be the case.

1Speaker 1
00:50:17.58 – 00:50:35.42

So it's not just like Joseph Campbell talking or whatever, but the hero as a part of who we are and who we identify with is very important. And again, I understand I'm 57 years old, I'm not a person of this century, I'm a mid-century product of the last century.

00:50:35.68 – 00:50:44.84

But it's like whether it was Gregory Corso, William Burroughs, Keith Richards, Alex Chilton, Robert Altman.

00:50:47.58 – 00:50:55.66

They were all video games. You know what I mean? I'm like, whoa, oh my god. His mom lets him wear a diaper so he doesn't have to go to the bathroom, you know what I mean?

00:50:56.12 – 00:50:58.34

He's a very committed champion.

2Speaker 2
00:51:01.02 – 00:51:01.90

But I do.

00:51:01.90 – 00:51:07.32

I do, do you see what I'm sort of getting at? which is a lot of times that's what I mean.

1Speaker 1
00:51:07.34 – 00:51:10.68

But our heroes would be the people in comedy, it could be that, too.

2Speaker 2
00:51:10.76 – 00:51:16.58

People who went against.

00:51:18.58 – 00:51:31.58

I don't know how many ads they did. And now it has become the narrative for everyone, and I think that's so much to navigate. Just focus on what's the thing you're making, try and make something....

1Speaker 1
00:51:32.10 – 00:51:44.76

I mean, when our first record was such a big thing, I mean, are you kidding? It's not going through my head. Like John Coltrane never sold six million records, you know what I mean, that first thing of like.

00:51:48.58 – 00:52:11.26

We do the opposite. It didn't, yes, my ego or whatever as a singer, sagittarian young person, but it humbled me in the face or in the presence of the tradition that I'm working in. You know what I mean? I think also being the kind of band we were because of our influences, I'm meeting my heroes.

00:52:11.50 – 00:52:14.70

I'm not hanging out so much with my peers.

00:52:18.58 – 00:52:43.12

But every time it was like, Oh, Joe Cocker knows my name and wants to give me a hug. Or Ian Hunter from The Hoople, the first rock star who came to one of our shows in New York, the great Ronnie Lane, was in his wheelchair when his partner brought him down. He wanted to meet us in, not even a dressing room in the ice. We were opening for this band in our first time in Austin in March of 1990, and there's a knock on the door.

00:52:48.70 – 00:53:02.78

And the waiters are filling up the ice buckets while he's in there and we're putting our clothes on after the show. And he was just like, Oh, I just want to meet you guys. You've said so many nice things about my music and I will remember it forever.

00:53:05.10 – 00:53:12.14

Rob Tyner from the MC5 First time we play in Livonia, outside of Detroit, there he is in the dressing room.

2Speaker 2
00:53:12.36 – 00:53:15.18

I've always said the people that blow my mind.

00:53:18.58 – 00:53:28.76

The people that I saw on television be funny when I was 8 years old, it's like seeing a Greek God in real life.

1Speaker 1
00:53:28.86 – 00:53:39.30

I had a weekend with Don Rickles one time and it was like heaven. He was like, please say something bad about me. Now I can take it, I can take it.

2Speaker 2
00:53:39.64 – 00:53:48.28

I was that way the day I met Don Knotts, and I just couldn't believe I'm meeting Bernie Fife, by the way, one of the funniest people.

1Speaker 1
00:53:48.28 – 00:53:51.08

Of that character is one of the funniest people of all time.

2Speaker 2
00:53:51.18 – 00:54:06.32

To this day, I can't accept that. No, I saw him in Brookline, Massachusetts, sitting on the floor and I'm sitting in a high chair watching him on. You know, I was in a high chair very late. This is like 10 years ago.

1Speaker 1
00:54:06.32 – 00:54:07.12

He heard him say it.

2Speaker 2
00:54:09.10 – 00:54:12.66

I had rickets, you don't hear rickets much anymore.

1Speaker 1
00:54:12.98 – 00:54:15.22

Don Rickets Not as funny, not as funny.

2Speaker 2
00:54:16.78 – 00:54:33.52

Listen, I've kept you a while and I did it selfishly because I love your music and I also think you are one of the. You're such an authentically funny person and really honest and I love talking to you. I really do.

1Speaker 1
00:54:33.68 – 00:54:34.54

Thanks for having me.

2Speaker 2
00:54:34.60 – 00:54:50.52

Anytime you want to lower yourself, we'll hang and finish that tequila, let's do it. But thank you so much for being here and I want to tell people check out Happiness Bastards because I've been loving this, it's fantastic.

1Speaker 1
00:54:51.68 – 00:54:54.78

It's good, it's nice, we're going on this tour.

00:54:56.32 – 00:54:58.80

And we're just thrilled we're having a great time.

2Speaker 2
00:54:58.80 – 00:55:00.96

Are you going to give the group sex a try this time?

1Speaker 1
00:55:01.08 – 00:55:03.16

Oh my God, I might throw my knee out.

2Speaker 2
00:55:06.24 – 00:55:12.96

That's the first thing to go with me when I have group sex, it's the first thing that goes, the old trick knee.

1Speaker 1
00:55:13.22 – 00:55:18.58

I'm like, Listen, I don't know about reverse cowgirl, but how about reverse cuckhole?

2Speaker 2
00:55:22.34 – 00:55:23.28

And curtain.

00:55:33.48 – 00:56:00.02

Conan here got a little segment to do, and I don't know anything about this segment because Matt Gorley has some scheme up his sleeve. What's up a long time ago? I don't know if you remember this, I think you did. A riff about inspirational posters that you might see in a grade school class or something, but with some unexpected phrases on them. Well, a wonderful, wonderful listener named Timothy Sanders, who has some of the nicest penmanship I've ever seen.

00:56:00.02 – 00:56:04.44

Beautiful looks like a cyrillic typewriter. He's taken it upon himself.

00:56:07.64 – 00:56:18.34

To say it, starting with these lovely turtles, you're the one that you knew you had to be. Are these ones that we said on the air that I was making up bullshit? Those are great.

00:56:18.70 – 00:56:23.38

Watch yourself get married with a glass of water, that's fantastic.

1Speaker 1
00:56:23.90 – 00:56:25.42

Whatever you think you were.

2Speaker 2
00:56:25.62 – 00:56:26.76

That is what it was.

00:56:28.28 – 00:56:40.16

That's a Volkswagen thing, I believe. Popular car in the 70s. A story of spontaneous podcast banter tomorrow is yesterday's idea that you ate a team Coco paperback.

00:56:42.46 – 00:56:48.50

You can't judge yourself from within. Well, that's actually a good one, and I love that cat just hanging in there.

1Speaker 1
00:56:48.76 – 00:56:49.42

Is it good?

2Speaker 2
00:56:49.54 – 00:56:58.40

Does it make sense? Sure it does, okay, I don't know if it does. Sunshine is the regret you used to know during daylight. Are these ones? we said.

00:56:58.90 – 00:56:59.78

I'm not sure they were.

00:57:01.36 – 00:57:05.80

Some of them are I farted?

00:57:07.44 – 00:57:08.62

William Thackeray Yes.

00:57:12.50 – 00:57:25.12

Back that shit up, of course. Jane Austen, That's my favorite one, I remember that one. Now it's coming back to me and for the listeners. If you want to see these, you can go to our YouTube channel and check them out, or go to at Team Coco on socials and take a look.

00:57:25.26 – 00:57:26.00

Yeah, these are fun.

00:57:35.18 – 00:57:42.64

And a picture of sexy Lincoln? Those are great? yeah, aren't those amazing? He is sexy in that picture? Yeah, I'd hit that for sure.

00:57:42.88 – 00:57:43.42

Look at that.

1Speaker 1
00:57:43.70 – 00:57:44.26

You'd hit that.

2Speaker 2
00:57:44.36 – 00:57:51.68

No, I don't think you would. He's very depressed, look at his face. He's got great bone structure, nice high cheekbones.

00:57:51.86 – 00:57:54.70

6'4 Just like your friend Conan, don't compare yourselves.

1Speaker 1
00:57:54.74 – 00:57:55.58

Was there some question?

2Speaker 2
00:58:05.16 – 00:58:11.66

About sharing beds back then, Just because you shared a bed, I mean, I regularly share a bed with a good friend of mine. Who's that Eric Greif?

00:58:13.84 – 00:58:19.86

Anyway, that's our business. It's good friends, and when we're on the circuit together riding, sometimes you come to an inn. What circuit?

1Speaker 1
00:58:20.26 – 00:58:21.22

The Vaudeville Circuit.

2Speaker 2
00:58:21.90 – 00:58:26.06

I'm just making shit up. Did you guys sleep in bunk beds?

00:58:35.16 – 00:58:41.92

Growing up, this is as a freshman in college, I was like, Yay, I'm a pie. I can't believe you guys didn't have bunk beds.

00:58:41.92 – 00:58:54.22

Growing up in your house, my brothers and I slept three in a room for a while. Yeah, that's why I'm surprised it was before Justin was born, so it was. Neil and Luke were in twin beds, and I was in a cot at the foot of their bed for a bunch of years.

00:58:55.00 – 00:58:59.52

And my cot was up against the wall and my mother used to put us. This is way back in the day.

00:59:05.16 – 00:59:26.08

It must have been mid-1960s or whatever. They give you these little brown shoes that you wore. My mother would make me take a nap every day at three in the afternoon and I didn't want to take a nap. So I put my back on the bed and with my shoes on, I would kick at the wall with my heels. Why were you napping with your shoes on? Because I wouldn't take them off because I'm not going to kick the wall with my bare feet.

00:59:26.56 – 00:59:30.40

And my mom would just let me kick it out and I swear to God.

00:59:35.16 – 00:59:53.14

I'm not going to kick this house in Brookline, Massachusetts, because my parents still live there. And I want to take off the paint. And you will see little conan feet that are crushed into the plaster. Because I was so enraged that I was being told I had to take a nap at three. Now, I would love it if someone told me to go take a nap at three.

00:59:55.88 – 01:00:02.70

Cots are small. Did your feet dangle off the edge? I was a little boy when someone's a little boy.

01:00:05.16 – 01:00:06.22

But you also.

01:00:06.22 – 01:00:13.68

You're thinking, it's like a sketch. Here comes baby Conan. Hi everybody, I'm wearing a diaper and goo goo ga ga.

01:00:14.30 – 01:00:16.54

Duck your head six foot four Conan baby.

1Speaker 1
01:00:17.34 – 01:00:19.46

No, I was a little boy.

2Speaker 2
01:00:19.46 – 01:00:21.18

And then I grew over the years.

1Speaker 1
01:00:21.22 – 01:00:22.20

Yeah, then when you grew.

2Speaker 2
01:00:22.20 – 01:00:30.12

Because you lived at home until you went to college, so where did you sleep well? Eventually, I got moved up to the attic, they moved me to the attic.

01:00:35.16 – 01:00:45.52

It was a weird place for me. I was at the end of a long haul in the attic. Who should we send to the attic? All I wanted was a desk up there and a bunch of rubber stamps because I wanted to stamp papers. Oh my god.

01:00:45.62 – 01:00:58.52

I was obsessed with having a little office and I was always like, I've got to go tend to my affairs. Bing, bing, bing, bing. Signed papers and I had some stamps that meant nothing like remit. You should have put rubber stamps on the soles of your shoes.

01:01:05.16 – 01:01:07.24

Tuesday addams. Anyway, I grew up in....

1Speaker 1
01:01:07.24 – 01:01:07.66

Wednesday.

2Speaker 2
01:01:08.88 – 01:01:09.62

Oh, you know what?

?Unknown Speaker
01:01:10.92 – 01:01:11.76

I'm sorry.

2Speaker 2
01:01:12.62 – 01:01:15.80

Oh, you mean, from the show, the Anders family?

01:01:19.50 – 01:01:21.76

No, on leap year, she's Tuesday, addams.

1Speaker 1
01:01:21.78 – 01:01:22.68

Oh my god.

2Speaker 2
01:01:22.98 – 01:01:31.08

All right, I'll give you that I got myself out of another scrape. All right, that's our time for now. Remember, I was a weird child?

1Speaker 1
01:01:33.56 – 01:01:49.10

Conan O'Brien needs a friend with Conan O'Brien. Sonam Ovsessian and Matt Gourley Produced by Me Matt Gourley executive produced by Adam Sachs. Nick Liao and Jeff Ross at Team Coco and Colin Anderson and Cody Fisher at Earwolf. Theme song by the White Stripes.

01:01:49.50 – 01:01:52.30

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01:01:55.36 – 01:02:15.12

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01:02:15.54 – 01:02:24.26

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?Unknown Speaker
01:02:36.50 – 01:02:37.90

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