PK Subban, Jerry O'Connell, Wolves And Pacers Win Road Game 7's + Xander Gets His First Major After Scottie Scheffler Got Arrested

He got us so fired up for some more of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Great interview with him. And then we had to say goodbye to Mr. Bing Bong. Jerry O'Connell's alter ego, joined us for about 15 minutes to say goodbye to the Knicks season and Mr.

Bing Bong We're going to talk Game 7s, we had two of them on Sunday, we're going to talk PGA Championship. It was a great weekend of sports.

We got who's back?

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If your first bet doesn't hit only on DraftKings, the crown is yours. Today is Monday, May 20th and the Minnesota Timberwolves shocked the world and take down the defending champion Nuggets with an incredible Game 7 performance. Holy shit pft. Oh, I should have said. Also, congratulations to Hank. Boston Celtics are NBA champs.

Yeah, because the nuggets are out.

Congrats Hank. You're not worried about the Pacers at all, right? No, yeah, I didn't think so, and you're not worried about the Mavericks, not worried about the Wolves.

No, I'll be watching the Mavs-Wolves with some intensity, so watching these games I've started to come around. Maybe just because I'm hanging out with Hank too much. But I see his point when he says, You guys just hate me for existing, and it's true, we do hate you for existing, but your entire existence is.

I can only control myself. You just exist and throw looks. Yeah, again, it's like I have to look, like I have to look places, you have to look.

And then if you know, you get mad at me for not talking, then when I talk.

Defensively, the Wolves were just swarming them.

Nazi GGS buddy.

And then, in this game specifically, being like a no-show in game seven, can't believe we got our hopes up. Boom, you look up. And they win the game somewhat convincingly, because they were up 10 with like three minutes left and it went over in the Nuggets building. They win three games in Denver. I mean, what a, what a, what a performance.

They're, they're for real, pretty good, they're for real. Hank, I am not, I'm not.

A-rod, a-rod, first, first man, when I.

Yeah, because you have the young star and it felt like this series slipped away and it didn't. And now you're on to the Western Conference finals for the first time. I believe since like 2004, when they had Kevin Garnett and their last time, that they were in the their only other time in the Western Conference finals. It's awesome, you know? Shout out Minnesota Sports fans.

It's been a long time to have a team that you're like that. It's again. It's the opposite of Minnesota Sports, where every other team they've had. It's always been like, Ah, they'll end up losing. This team is just a bunch of dogs. You're like, No, maybe they won't.

I was just looking forward to these games because you didn't know who was gonna win.

Well, so who you got facing is, uh, the Indiana Pacers. Uh, I want to start this, cause I want to start it by saying, talking about the Pacers. Because that ESPN broadcast was something else I've. I didn't even know that they were, like, if you're, if you tuned into that game, you would not have known who the Knicks were playing today. Because they, even at the end of the game, like Doris Burke, sounded like she was going to cry. Having to be like, the Pacers are about to win this game. Mike Breen I get cause.

He's the Knicks, uh, regular play-by-play guy, and he's a Knicks fan. But the beginning of the game started with Tyrese Halberton, uh, Jalen Brunson walking through the tunnel, and then Stephen A. Smith also walking through the tunnel. Like he was a player. It before tip off.

They did, they kicked it to Stephen A. Smith, who gave a Knicks pump up speech. Uh, with Spike Lee, you, you would never have guessed the Indiana Pacers were playing in.

What an outstanding feat of strength.

The question was about the Pacers, so the Pacers deserve the credit here. They went into the Mecca in a game seven and dropped 130, just did not miss 67 from the field. They like this team, yeah.

Their defense is great, but their offensive, like when it clicks, they have so many dudes who can score. And like T.J. McConnell again, every time it comes off the bench, like, holy shit. Tyrese Halberton was awesome. It was just they took it right to the Knicks, completely, took the crowd out of the game and their teams down. Oh, two in a series have, I think, one of the series 7 of the time and T home teams in a game seven wins 75 of the time. The Pacers just bucked both those.

And so the Pacers deserve all the credit, they deserve the shine that ESPN just did not give them whatsoever. I think, Rick Carlisle.

Yeah, that's true. Get that straight with a cat, yeah, cat sitting in like a box of old, like Twix, yeah.

Yeah, usually there's a Ritz container, like a box of.

But.

And yeah, I I know that you shouldn't be worried about the Pacers hank, but the Pacers do have an offense. That, like, when they get hot and they run, they play a weird style of basketball that could sneak up on you. Not worried they could, they could maybe sneak in a game, okay, yeah.

I mean, I, I agree with you, the songs are in the series, but I'm just saying I'm giving some shine to the Pacers.

As he saw in the media, everyone was picking against you guys, nobody was really respecting the Pacers. So yeah, talk all this shit once it's over. But a guy like that, when he loses, that's he doesn't have that same. I don't know, do you know what I'm trying to say about? Like, people who anoint themselves as a villain versus people who?

And then there's some moments where it's like, What is he doing out there, just running in circles? But you got to give Tyrese Howell-Burton credit. Uh, it's his first playoffs and he's made it to a conference finals.

Joel Embiid has never done that. That's pretty good, it's very good people.

CAT Oh yeah, well, it's not his first playoffs, but yeah, but he's made it. he has made a conference finals before. Joel Embiid So who?

So so, the Knicks went out so sad. Well, they, they died as they lived with another heartbreaking injury. Yeah, Jalen Brunson, uh, broke his hand. I heard that Tom Thibodeau actually sat on it at halftime.

We've got to figure out a way to blame him. Yeah, this one as well. Uh, here's the thing. Two things can be true at the same time.

The Knicks had incredibly bad injury luck in these playoffs, and, uh, you can be excited if you're a Knicks fan about the future cause. Jalen Brunson is a up and coming superstar, I said it, up and coming, not there yet, but a superstar in the making.

Uh, Knicks fans also should understand that they have to get laughed at because all they do is talk shit. And they had the We Want Boston chance and the Bing Bongs and the after every game, the interviews, uh, and then you just lost game.

I mean, maybe, I'm maybe.

Or do you think Knicks fans are in their feels about people talking shit back to them? Because I saw a lot of that being like, Oh, we're so injured, we're so injured. You guys talk a lot of shit for not being in a conference final since 2000..

Yeah, no, you were all hurt. Yeah, it's. It's a valid excuse, but it's still definitely an excuse, right?

And it's also you talk a lot.

It doesn't really matter, uh, I would have liked to. I would have liked to shut the Knicks fans up and just sweep them real quick, but they would have just, you know, played the injury card anyway. So yeah, this, this will get the in-season tournament revenge game. Yeah, yeah.

But Knicks?

The Pacers and Knicks have more of a rivalry than the Celtics and the.

They went to the Eastern Conference finals 2014.

They went to the Eastern Conference finals, 2024, Eastern Conference finals, so let's put in a reminder for 2034. Make sure that's in there. It sounds good.

They have been other times.

Tyrese Halberd and Tyrese Halberd and Jason Tatum. Luca or Anthony Edwards, one of those four, is going to win their first ring. That's pretty cool, very cool, like that's a passing of the torch of the N.BA.

I'm not saying those.

What how he's played longer? Nothing but success, nothing but success. I mean, they've more playoff games.

I mean, Luca played overseas and then played here. I mean, it's close, it's close, it's a. It's a. It's a one a one beat situation. Luca's very good, but.

So if you, if. The Boston Celtics got a call from the Dallas map Mark Cuban, who still somehow owns them, uh, tomorrow, and said, Hey, we want to trade Jason Tatum for Luca straight up. Do the Celtics hang up that phone call? I don't know what they would do, I, I, I'm not sure, okay.

I would pick up that call, I would pick, I would take that call, I would answer, I would entertain the call. Yeah.

You would answer it, Okay. We should talk about the Mavs. That was an awesome, awesome game six.

Uh, the shot making at the end of the game was just like just such high level back and forth. And also the Thunder, I feel like the Thunder blue. I don't know like four or five different 15 point leads during that game. They just kept on getting these huge leads and the Mavs kept coming back, and the Mavs, uh. Kyrie Irving Fun Fact is 14. And oh, in closeout games, which is a weird way to say it, because he's lost elimination games, but not game sevens. No, he has lost.

No, no, it's, it's, uh oh, within those three wins. Yes, yeah, closeout games.

Okay, it's not lost, um.

Kyrie did step all over. Lucky The Leprechaun Yeah, it's going to be a big time lucky revenge series. If you're lucky enough to make it through the Pacers hank, I would be. I would be worried about whoever came.

Yeah, it'll be a fair, it'll be a fair, fair fight. This game was awesome, though. Uh, Derek Lively was incredible, and Derek Lively. Fun fact goes back to last year when the Mavs, Uh, got fined $750,000 for tanking the final two games.

Now teams tank all the time. They got fined specifically because they were like, Hey, we're tanking, and they said it out loud, but they tanked for a specific reason. Because if they had, Uh, stayed at the 11th spot in the standings, they would have had an eight and a half percent chance of keeping their pick. Cause they would have it was a trade that they would have had to lose their pick.

They tanked they ended up having a 79.8 chance of keeping their pick. They get the 10th pick, they trade the 10th pick with the Thunder at 12 and they take Derek Lively. So they traded, uh, Derek. The Thunder technically took Derek Lively at 12..

They get Derek Lively, Derek Lively was the difference in that game. He had 15 rebounds, his rebounding is everywhere and.

I, I don't. I think it's disrespectful to call him a role player.

I just, I just wanted to remind people because I remember specifically last year. People were very upset at the Mavericks because I think they started tanking when they technically were still alive for the plan. Yeah, they didn't want that. I'm a big proponent for a team to do that. Because the plan is a joke as someone who gets hurt by the plan. Every single year, they created the plan to give the illusion of playoffs to all these teams. The Mavericks made the right decision.

They got a good big young guy who can help Luca in his prime. When a title this year instead of trying to make and probably failing to get in the play in. And then, if they're in the plan, probably failing to get in the playoffs, and even if.

And they beat the Bowl seven, if there was no play, they would have been the seven, so they.

He could not believe that they.

He's not a traditional big. I actually think you want to hear this one. I think the Thunder should draft Zach Eaddy interesting twin towers into a careful grant. A little, little, little, this little that.

Yeah, you know, you got the the nimbly three-point shooting skinny, uh center, and then you got a little bit more of a traditional center. And Zach Eaddy.

So you're off to Kevin Durant to the Thunder Train? No, I'm still on that him and him, and, uh, and Chet's in next to each other. It looked very, very funny. I'm still.

And if you have the best player in a series, you have a puncher's chance every single time, every single time. They're not out of it. No, I just I think it's gonna be a good series. I think the Mavs, Mavs played really good defense against Thunder, they have some really good role players.

If you get them to a close out game, Kyrie Irving literally does not lose those. Which, again, I feel like, you know, I feel like touting the closeout game. Stat is weird. When you've when you, like, got injured and your team lost when you lost in five to the to the Warriors, cause they technically didn't have a.

Um, but yeah, the closeout game stat is it sounds awesome, but then you're like, wait, but you've lost series before. I don't think he's been to.

So yeah, it's been a long time, probably, but he's 14 and 0 in closeout games. You want to let everyone know that. Yeah, 14, that's the important stat.

14 and 0 in closeout games doesn't count. the losing in five to the Warriors. that doesn't count because you never have a chance at a closeout game. Yep.

You just get them to a closeout game and he'll win that shit. Uh, so you guys all have the wolves in how many? I got wolves in seven? Oh okay, so that I can.

Well, game seven, second half, Nuggets. Yeah, yeah, Lakers smoke by the way, uh.

Okay, that's good, I love that answer, I like that shit. Um, I got Mavs in seven.

MaVS in seven I'm starting to believe in the Mavs. I don't know, it's just, and and that game six as good as the end of the game was. If you're an N.B.A. hater, the first half you would have had a lot of material. Because Luca has never been more annoying to the refs than he was on Saturday night. I don't know if.

He had that call before the ref did. He was turning his head on slo-mo. It was lightning fast reflexes to call a foul for a ref. Also, I can't believe we didn't open up the show with us. Bad job on our part.

This is very important. Speaking of, uh, of the Knicks this day 35 years ago. Jordan scores 40 at Chicago Stadium in Game six of Eastern Conference Semis to beat the Knicks. In my check collection is the phone bill he paid that day. Oh, darren Ravel, that's huge.

That's awesome, that's huge, it's literally a bill, yeah, he paid his phone.

Weirdest of the weirds, all right, so Hank, uh, give us a Celtics Pacers series prediction as well. Celtics in five, five, okay?

So that would easily cash my under four and a half losses that I said before, Yeah, I can see maybe going six, but definitely not seven, okay?

And Chris stops going to be back. Yeah, well, which said, it's it's imminent, right? his return is imminent, yeah.

That's huge.

Yeah, that would be fun, cause you'd get to go to Dallas. I didn't think about that. Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah, more on that later. When we have Mr. Bing Bong on Jerry O'Connell, Uh, we should probably talk about the PJ Championship.

Tweet alert Jeff Darlington reports that Scotty Sheffler has been arrested outside of Valhalla. And I don't know about you guys, but when you saw it, what was your first reaction? The same as mine, which is.

Yep, I was like, Scotty Sheffler ran over someone, Holy fucking shit. did you really? you thought? Scotty? Scotty Sheffler just pulled a Tony Stewart? Yeah.

I was like, this is crazy. I saw the mug shot and I was, yeah, I was like half asleep, and I was like, Scotty Sheffler. Arrested Person died from car.

There was a, uh, yeah.

Well, Tiger Woods happened, Yeah, I would Tiger Woods, so there was a lot of wild. I mean, you could do Tiger Woods part one, Tiger Woods part two.

I wouldn't say it was the craziest, but I think it's, you know, you just did. you just did your RG three. No, no, no. But wait but wait, it's like it's the craziest sports story ever. Everyone was like, Dude Aaron Hernandez.

And it's Scotty Sheffler.

I remember Tiger Woods. It's been so long that we've known the.

Who's never done anything wrong? He was born to play golf.

It was shocking, I just remember so vividly.

I don't know how this normally works for regular Americans. But if you get arrested for felony assault on a police officer, do they usually let you out in?

Yeah, we'd, we'd we'd find a way massacred those, it's it they are, they're the most destroyed pants in America right now. And but if you read that, that police report, and just take it at at the text value of it, he might've shit his pants. Oh, it didn't say like the pants were torn.

It didn't say the pants got run over. it said. The pants are damaged beyond repair. This officer might have shit his pants and destroyed his own pants, and then now Scotty Sheffield is getting arrested because he made a police officer poop in his pants, that would be.

Like, if you told me John Daly did this, I'd be like, Okay, yeah, fair enough, Phil. yeah, Phil.

I'd be like, yep, some something happened, um, but the perks?

Great mugshot from him. The fact that Scotty then shot a 66. Yeah, yeah, that was.

What do you mean? Oh, the dog thing? I've, yeah, I've been arrested three times.

The sustained at dogs.

So he's, he's riding off the high of all the adrenaline of breaking the law.

It was an all time internet moment, it was crazy. Goes out and shoots a 66..

I know this is nuts to say, but I'm just going to say it. I still think that the fact that his caddy skipped Saturday is a bigger story. That's so crazy to me. He sucked on Saturday. He's a system.

Golfer Ted Scott is the re is the system, he's the reason why Scottie is so good and that.

Yeah, why didn't you? Why didn't you just have your caddy? FaceTime his son call over another rules official please, cause I don't know what to tell you, what to do that.

Like, I don't want to say it cost him the tournament, but Saturday was bad for him and he shot great again on Sunday. When Ted Scott came back, what did Scottie end up shooting with Ted Scott on his bag? It was probably insane when he was like, six under today, yeah.

I mean, I. That was a very unfortunate graduation timing, you know, it's really it should have. He should have just paid for the graduation to be on Monday.

So now we can continue with our running theory of Xander Shoffley will never win a major, can't win. The big one is we'll all forget about this one.

That makes me feel better.

And Xander Shoffley, He, I know we'll keep going with the uh, he can't win the big one. But he was the only player in the top five world rankings without a major championship. He had made 25 major cuts in his career. In those 25 major cuts he made, he had 13 top 10, seven top fives and four second or third place finishes. He was like the guy ready to do it, like the H.e. he had been so close so many times in playing such good golf.

So, I mean, and short kings, very short kings, five, 10, that that bunker, that's totally normal.

So he's like.

Maybe you guys have, you know, every golfer has the yardage book that they put in their back pocket, that giant book. And so his name is Bryson DeChambeau. He has two middle names, one of them starts with an A, so he just has the word bad sticking out.

I think it's b-l-a-d, but he's just walking around with bad sticking out of his ass.

Yeah, he said that after, So it's like, So for my major championship dude, my Bryson, uh, the the fact that I like him now. I've wrestled with this because I had the same feeling. PFT where I was like, I think I even tweeted, I was like, Am I rooting for Bryson right now?

I think I am. Brooks. Squashing the beef definitely helped us get there. I do think he also has gone a little bit of the J.J. Watts story arc. Where if you're so beyond corny and like, do everything for the camera. If you can just dial it back a little and be a somewhat normal person, we'll immediately just be like, you rock. We just got to drive in them to produce all this content and put it out there. So, uh, someone asked him about that, Hank.

Uh, someone said, you had some really big moments on the course. this week. We're celebrating. How have you kind of embraced being a true showman on the course and celebrating those big moments? He said. Yeah, it's actually funny.

YouTube has helped me understand that a little bit more. When the moment comes, knowing what to do, what to say, how to act is really important. You know, when I was younger, I didn't understand what it was. Yeah, I would have a great celebration and whatnot, but I didn't know what it meant and what I was doing it necessarily for.

Now I'm doing it a lot more for the fans and for the people around and trying to be a bit of an entertainer that plays good golf.

He has come.

And made the guy give the ball to the little kid. Yeah, ravel.

I'm not ready to say that that I like him just because it's a weird feeling. It's like my body's confused watching him. It's like, Wait, I always thought that I've not liked watching this kind of stuff, and now it's on, I'm like, Wait, it's my body telling me.

I kind of like it a little bit, yeah, and so it's a very confusing time, but it was. I'm closer to liking Bryson than I've ever been.

And you get a little older, you're like, Oh, this is kind of nice, different flavor. Yeah, yeah.

I'm not, I'm not opposed to it. yeah, I don't want, I don't.

Damn, is he the only guy who went to live and became cooler?

Brooks, Brooks, Brooks was already cool, but he's so cool. But like he he didn't have, there's nothing. he. he does make some cool, he's already the coolest. I'm saying, Bryson went to live, like everyone goes, has gone to live.

And it feels like they've taken a ding in terms of public perception. Bryson somehow has beaten that. Yeah, John Rahm is a shell of himself. Did he not make the cut?

Yeah, yeah, people were probably coming up to him, so he's gotten more, yeah.

His, his image has improved, yeah.

That was, yeah, I kind of wish that had never happened. Nah, that hole in one, that hole in one was cool. Yeah, yeah.

The Colon one was cool, all right.

It's tough.

Wow, that's crazy. Wait, what course is that? Riviera? 40 over par, 40 over all the scores combined? Yeah.

Higher field respect, the best ever by the field in a PGA championship before this year, was 40 over.

The 72nd position was was under par, Braden Shattuck went minus one and he finished 72nd by himself. That's nuts, it's embarrassing, it's easy.

And they're arresting the best players, yeah, so they're arresting the best only defense they have. So it's an important question, um?

Yeah.

The guy isn't like, Yeah, he competed at St. Andrews, he was close there. It feels like every major we watch, Rory is, you know, teeing off early on Sunday.

He makes a couple of good shots. They try to show us like, well, look out for Rory. Yeah, what do you mean? look out for Rory?

He was 10 strokes off the lead.

I don't need, I want to see the live shots. don't let me miss a live shot because you're trying to tell me that could. Uh, you know, get six consecutive hole in ones and then still be three strokes off the lead.

But when they showed those clips, it really hammered home. He doesn't look like the same golfer that he was back then. No, look out for Rory, look out for Rory, Rory lurking.

UH, sees the gray one the uh, preakness. Kind of a disappointment because we wanted to see a Triple Crown and maybe an asterix with Mystic. Dan. Yeah, and, uh, it was. It would have been good for the sport, yeah.

It was Randy Moss nailed his pick on Friday. Shout out Randy.

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Hank Who's back a week? who's back of the week?

Late Sunday night, Uh, who was it? Kyle Soprano, Kyle Bush Rowdy and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. They're calling them a Recce Stenhouse Jr.

Oh yeah, I'm assuming it's because one of the guys drove the other one off the road. Well, here's the crazy part about this fight. If you haven't seen the video of the fight, it's awesome. I think everyone in the world hates Kyle Bush.

And every time I don't, but I'm saying, like all the other NASCAR drivers do, every time Kyle Bush gets in a fight, it takes me a second. I'm like, Is this Joey Lugano? Yeah? and then I'm like, No, wait, no, it's not, it's Kyle Bush.

Uh, but Ricky Stenhouse crashed and I think the second lap, so he waited around for 198 laps to fight Kyle Bush after the race. Respect. So, so, if you're waiting that long, you have to throw.

I'm just going to throw hands. And it looked like he got two shots and didn't knock him down. You got to knock him down with those. Yeah, I would like to see. And Kyle didn't fight back.

So I don't know if he knew that a punch was coming or not, but he does have a punchable face. Well, some of the other guys.

These other guys just hopping in, just grabbing them, awesome.

His name, sure, he's, he's like fourth generation NASCAR, his name's probably actually just Ricky, yeah.

Also Ricky, Bobby, Yeah, Ricky, but Stenhouse and a junior.

Yeah, yeah.

There's there's a place to put in videos and your resume stuff like that. We'll probably do interviews the next couple of weeks and then start after, uh, basketball ends. Okay, what are we looking for? I don't know.

That's what I'm excited to find out. Shorter fat? No, Oh, you can't say that they can be, they can be any size.

Short.

Also, Yeah, you're right old, they could be old or middle aged. Submit some content that you've done.

Submit some content Yeah, that's what we. There is a video submission. So it's like, if you're just going to email us with like, please hire me, I would love you will be like you won't even get a second.

We're not going to look twice. Yeah, if you also anyone have made videos, do make videos or have built a following on your own. Like it could even be a couple thousand people. That that does get you, uh, a little bit more of a look, cause it means that you're actually creating content. You can't just be like, Hey, I'm my friends, think I'm funny.

I should be on the show, yeah, and also it's not going to be necessarily on the show, right? Like, it's not like, hey, we're hiring someone to just sit on the show. And, uh, hopefully you'll be our best friend, but you might not be.

You just can't be, you can't be like, really, really good looking. That's why we could say that like, I would really, really good looking. Like, come on dude, go get another job, yeah.

Don't, don't work with us, we're fucking.

No, no, we can't hire.

Not a good guy. Shocker, Diddy. recap Shocker, Yeah.

I thought you were going to.

Interns.

Anything else? nothing else about the interns? No, we'll post the links, apply and then.

Don't shake your fucking head, not a dime back.

Now I've actually boxed myself out. We can't.

My Who's back of the week is Shorts Short season. My other who's back of the week is Sex Story. You almost got me on that. Well, shorts are back.

Yeah, they are. The weather's so nice, so nice. Wearing shorts all the time, I was waiting for big cat to just go. What about fats?

Shorts and fats, both back. My other who's back of the week is Sex stories from the Olympics. That's how, you know, the Olympics are about to happen. Oh, shit, I forgot.

The Olympics are about to happen. Yeah, this is how I found out, actually. The New York Post put out an article about the beds that they built at the Olympics this year. They hired the same people from Tokyo in 2020 when they built the sex-proof beds because of Covid. And they're like, we can't have athletes, fucking.

So they built these collapsible beds that are like stacked on cardboard boxes. Essentially, they can support one person's weight as long as they're not too fat. This is, you're right.

And even if they tried to, then it would collapse. So I'm sure they'll figure out their way around it. They'll probably just fuck everywhere else in the room. Yeah, I mean, it is probably the most athletic people in the world.

I don't think they need a bed to have sex. People that need a bed to have sex are people like like, or normal people like us. Yeah, like, if you don't have a bed, like you're going to wake up in the morning, your back's going to be thrown out, right?

But these people can, they can do it anywhere. Yeah, I mean, it's the horniest.

Good.

I don't know if you guys were able to tune in, but it was awesome. Tyson Fury lost, Uh, you sick beat him in 12 rounds. It was an awesome fight because Tyson Fury did his classic Tyson Fury. Where he was out basically cold on his feet. And the ninth right. And then still fought the rest of the fight, uh, and was close to winning it, but the right, the right fighter one. But it was just, uh, Tyson Fury's just fun to watch fight because he just throws and you never know when he could be knocked out.

I did watch the highlights of the fight, including the walkouts, which you sec one that hands down. And in the ninth round. I saw somebody posted a video that was, uh, filmed in their own living room of their television. So that one didn't get posted. Uh, that one didn't get taken down online. So I was able to watch it and it was impressive.

Because Tyson Fury, he gets knocked, it's a knockdown, but he never actually hit the ground. He gave him a standing eight, they gave him a standing eight count, and then he came back and survived that. Somehow, if you can get knocked out on your feet and then continue to fight for another, uh, two rounds, you should almost get.

He's like the one fighter when you watch. I chose my words carefully. I was like, Tyson Fury's in deep water because I knew he's the type of guy that if you're like, Tyson Fury's done, he'll come back and he'll just knock someone else out him. And Nate Diaz, Yeah.

They just, they get, they just need to get knocked around a little bit. But it was a great fight. I think it was Tyson Fury's first loss.

H.e.

So people feel bad for him, that's why they voted for him. I was like, I don't think so, I think he, I think he.

Uh, all right.

Oh, you weren't going to talk about Shoda? Um, I said multiple ways. I'm going chronological, chronological order, okay, Paul Skeens.

I think he struck out the first seven batters he did. He's awesome. Uh, and then your guy, Shoda, Shoda on Saturday, yeah.

One nothing, walk off, Yeah, some people saying controversial.

They can't hit for shit, but yeah, Paul Skeens.

Having a sick, uh.

What are the rules on hitting the ball out of the catcher's hand? Um, I would say that was probably illegal, but I don't care, cause it helped me. I would say, Okay, that's fair. Well, it was a transfer.

So he, he tagged him and then he transferred it and then Bellinger kind of knocked it out on the. It wasn't like an a-rod knocking out where he had to go out of the way. His hands were up to slide, so it it looked natural, yeah.

I think that's why they didn't overturn it, cause the UMP was screened off from that. But I can be honest and say that yes, he hit the ball out of his hand. Yeah, my.

So I think that's the right call and the Cubs needed to win. My my son, by the way, today. I took him to Wrigley for five innings and he was like, Dad, there's a ticket, lady. And I was like, This is a proud, proud moment. You should tell him that's Chuck E.

Cheese, I was just like, No, he's the he. he's not Chuck E. Cheese. that's my daughter, he's, he knows the 50 50 raffle.

Again, we lost. He's a fucking mush, but still for him to be like, Hey, there's the ticket lady. Yeah, that's a pretty, actually, I think, he said. There's the ticket girl. And it was. If you've ever been to Wrigley, everyone who works at Wrigley is 85 years old. I can't believe we didn't put that together sooner.

My.

Too big time troll, trolls, trolls a lot, she trolls me a lot, okay?

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P.

K.

First of all, thank you for joining us. We have a ton of questions, but I think we have to start with the game. That you will be in the broadcast studio for tonight as we air this on Monday. Game Seven Canucks-Oilers. So I guess the first question is, who do you have winning? And then, if the Oilers don't win, are we, as fans, allowed to say that McDavid can't win the big one?

Well, first of all, I picked Edmonton to.

Now I have to feel that his best. Hockey is going to continue to get better as the playoffs go on and we're going to see more and more of it over the years. So I just think that their team this year, coming down the stretch, I thought they were playing such great hockey.

I had the confidence to say, you know what? I think Edmonton can win this in six now that it's in seven games and I've seen the Vancouver Canucks now go, you know, lose their number one goaltender, lose their number two goaltender. Have Susie missed the game? Have guys in and out of the lineup, guys banged up. Elias Pettersson, You know, kind of just woke up in game five, right? Came alive, came into the series really and is now having an impact. I really think this is gonna be a tough game.

Seven for Edmonton to win. I believe that I know that they had it all going on in game six, but I think Vancouver at home, uh, you know. Coached by Rick Tocant. You know these guys, you know, they're going to have to fight for every inch. You know, McDavid and Dry Side aren't getting any free passes, and Vancouver is definitely going to. You know, they're going to clean up the fact that they took too many penalties in game six. So I expect them to be more disciplined. But I'm going to ride with Connor McDavid when it's all said and done.

I'm going to say that I think Connor figures it out, finds a way to get his team over the hump and into a conference final. Now, if they do lose, I think it's outrageous to think that Connor McDavid can't win a Stanley Cup or isn't good enough to win one. I think people are insane for thinking that I won't. Even I will entertain it on your podcast because I know who you guys are. You guys have, you guys have my respect in this game and you guys obviously have earned a lot of people's respect. But for most people that talk about Connor McDavid, I don't even have the discussion with them about it. Because I said, this guy's the best player that maybe we've ever seen, play the game skill-wise, stuff that he can do out there.

So, uh, it's a team sport, hockey's the ultimate team sport, you've got to have the horses to win. And I still don't think that their team on paper is good enough to win the Stanley Cup this year. But it's not always about what's on paper, right? It's getting bodies healthy and.

We believe all those things, but it. We wouldn't be doing our job if we didn't latch on to a very easy can't win the big one narrative. I mean, that's like, the best thing to do in sports is be like, can't win the big one. Just put it in NBA terms.

Well, hold on.

Connor McDavid, Like, we're talking about putting the all time greats together, and who is the most talented? Like Connor McDavid is coming out of that group. Like, there's no one even close. That can do the things at top speed that he does night in and night out, like guys, he if he wants to put up three, four points a night, he can.

That may not always result in his team winning a hockey game. That's what's, that's why the Stanley Cup is the hardest trophy to win, right? is it's not just about an individual taking over a game. I would go, I would say this. If the Edmonton Oilers lose in game seven and Connor McDavid doesn't show up on the score sheet. Or doesn't show to have been the best player, one of the best players on the ice, then, a hundred percent, there's got to be questions asked about why, whether he and I didn't think in game six, he shot the puck enough.

Yeah, he had three assists, but I've seen him be way more aggressive than that. So is he injured, is he bagged up, is he a hundred percent? I don't know. But we have to see his best game come game seven of the season.

He has to, and you know, I give him credit, though. He's been extremely patient, he's been a leader, he's really grown into that role.

He hasn't tried to force the envelope, he hasn't tried to do too much. It really looks like he's settling to how he has to play to win in the playoffs. And I think that that's what we have to the people that know hockey and watch the game, we see those things. So, yeah, you can't, you can't say that, this guy.

Has Chris Paul's been to a finals? right? he's. he did go to the finals, yeah, has Connor McDavid.

So I mean, we can say all these things again, we don't want to. This hurts me. I like Connor McDavid a lot, I love watching him play hockey. But we wouldn't be doing our job if we didn't say this. And we kind of got you in the argument right there.

Cause you started saying, like, if he doesn't show up in game seven, we got you we, we drug you down to the deck.

When Sidney Crosby If you watch Sidney Crosby's career. His game changed like three different times, man, he reinvented himself and added things to his game. That's why I still believe he's the best all around player in the game today. But as far as skill and skillset goes, that's Connor McDavid, and he's still learning how to do that. So it's difficult to become a winner in this league.

It's not just based on you. I think Edmonton has enough pieces, but does he have the team, the full team, to win a championship? I don't think you can put that pressure on him. Listen, he's going to put the pressure on the team he wants to win.

So he's going to say, Yeah, Stanley Cup or bus? But when you look at the National Hockey League and teams to win the cup, Edmonton's team on paper isn't where the Dallas stars were. Even the Vegas, Golden Knights, Rangers or Florida doesn't mean they can't win, you know, that's why you have the best player in the world and you have Leon Dry Cycle.

Is you always have a chance when you?

He plays, uh, this year, he played 21 minutes, 22 seconds per game. that was his average. Nicola Nicola Jokic plays 40 minutes per game. Oh wow, that's a lot.

Why doesn't Connor McDavid just play more? Oh, Patrick Mahomes, I think took.

It was a door out. Tries to chase him around the ice, he can't.

So wow, yeah.

Football's in the conversation, different sport, right? A whole lot more players, less players. In hockey. Not only that, you can't play the whole, you can't play the whole game in hockey. Do you know how hard it is to play hockey? 45 second shifts, all out, going 30 miles an hour, blocking shots.

Like, it's a different game, so I don't think you can compare Patrick Mahomes to Connor McDavid.

In terms of their impact, yes, and their skillset, yes, but as far as like how much they're on the ice, it's like apples to oranges.

Okay, we're done. yeah, we're done, yeah.

Welcome to part of my take. That was our pre-interview. You guys got me warmed up now, I like it.

And I just had an idea for a rule. Want to get your take on it? What if you just said? In the playoffs, each team gets one fight per game and it doesn't get penalized. Because people, they don't want to fight in the playoffs, because they don't want to take a stupid penalty. They want to put themselves in a position where they might get bounced in their seasons over because they fought somebody, why don't we just do one fight per game?

And it's totally legal, you can do that, go back and send your guys back to the bench. Afterwards, your enforcers skate off the ice.

They can come back whenever, but just one per game, as like.

You need guys that can play, so if you if you end up going to draft and 22 guys that can play first rounders. I can play a different positions that they happen to know how to fight great. You're going to have a really skilled and tough team, it don't mean you're going to win anything.

So, you know, what I'm saying is, we saw Matthew Kuchuk and David Pasternak fight in the playoffs. What's better than that, seeing two stars go at it, right? Like, you want to talk about it? I would have loved to see Colby and LeBron duke it out in basketball at some point in time, but that was never going to happen. Because in basketball, they don't let them fight.

Right, so what I'm saying is hockey has that special element to it, that if the star players get when they get emotionally engaged. And this is what we love about the Stanley Cup playoffs is that in other sports, I feel like you can play and not be fully engaged in hockey. You can't take a shift off.

Like, you can't like you could take if you lose your focus for one second. That can cost you your season, or it can cost you, listen, it can cost you your personal playoff run. You can get hurt, seriously hurt. We've seen guys get hurt, so Stanley Cup playoffs is no joke. And, uh, when it comes to fighting, I love to see it in the game at the right time.

And now every team usually has maybe one guy that can go, a heavyweight guy. I don't mind seeing them go once in a while, but don't put a limit on it, let the guys go.

Okay, so it.

Well, what's impressed me? the?

Uh, I'd probably be more inclined to be a little bit more judgmental and critical of management, coaches and GMs and stuff like that. But when I see a GM that has been consistently making his team better every year, and it's been a while, Jim Nil's been at it, right. Like to see Dallas. I've seen that team go through some some shift over some trades. You talk about Radulov and different guys that used to play, that guys who have come through there and they've just managed to draft so well. Bring in free agents, slot them in at the right place. So I think that this is a team that has been so well built from top to bottom and Jim Nil deserves a lot of credit. We know how great of a coach he is.

So now he's taken those pieces and he's getting the most out of them every night. But more importantly, it's structure, it's discipline, and it's giving everybody a role. Everybody is important on that Dallas Stars team. When you watch them play, everybody's embraced the same way, and it starts with leadership.

Jamie Ben has been at it for a long time and he wants to win. And you can see he's the right leader, you can see him physically. Whether he has to step up and score a big goal, he's doing it. But it's their temperament for me. And listen, you have Joe Pavelski, you got Ryan Suter on the back end, you got Jay Ottinger Annette, who's in the top five goalies. It's just for me, the main ingredient for them, outside of their veterans, their experience, it's the young players. I mean, Stank Coven, Wyatt Johnston, like Steel, like these guys have come in and made a huge difference.

Without those guys, they're not in the position that they're in right now. Those guys are bringing a tremendous amount of energy and juice to that team. That allows them to sustain that structure and that playing style, game in and game out. You watch Dallas, they're rarely out of a game, when do you ever see them completely out of the game? They're in the mix because they have a great balance of young and veteran players and it's the right mix, right leadership. And it starts with the management at the top.

Dallas has. They're in a perfect spot right now. I mean, they got to be really, really excited about the opportunity they have. Yeah, yeah, they have to rest up a little bit.

That's what people want to celebrate is history. And hockey's got a people to just sit down and get to know the game and understand the game. Then once we get them, that little bit of intrigueness, we have it. We don't lose our fans, our fans stay, hockey fans stay.

They're loyal fans. I think that coming over to ESPN has definitely helped using that platform. And we're trying to do the best that we can to grow the game. But make no doubt about it, it starts with the players and the product, and starts with guys like Connor McDavid, the Jack Fuses of the world, all these guys, the Lafreniers, even Annette, the goaltender. We have so much great talent in the game today. From young guys that are in the mid part of their career to the veterans like Crosby and Ovechkin. It's just a great mix and it's really entertaining.

I was one of those players that I'd give it to the ref. I was always polite, I never swore at them, but I was always engaged emotionally. I was very opinionated about certain calls. But the one thing that I've realized now is that one night I'll be sitting there watching and there'll be a call. And I'll sound off and I'll be like, man, that's goaltender interference, you know, I'll do it.

I noticed there's a trend, it's like, every night I'm doing it, we forget that there's humans out there making these calls. It's not automatic, by the way, it's so easy when you're watching the game to pick it out.

Most of the time now, when I'm watching it, I'm like, man, it's a tough job being a referee in the National Hockey League. In any sport, I'm watching the NBA, NFL. We're really, really tough on the officials. I think that because we have so many cameras now, we have social media, we can replay, we can break down, slow things down. It just gets more and more.

I try to pick my spots, I think if something's egregiously obvious, I call it out, but most of the time it balances itself out. Some games you're going to get your power plays, some games you're not, those games that you're not getting it. You got to work a little bit harder, but the reality is that we all know as players. I'll give you an example.

Vancouver and Edmonton the other night, I know we're talking both gender interference, but Vancouver, Edmonton. I'm watching the game and I see the door up right. Go into the corner and let go of the stick to kind of let the player through. So he doesn't have to impede. As he moves his arm up, he grazes them in the head.

Guy snaps his head back, gets a penalty. Dakota Joshua Same thing. High stick in front of the net, right? Accidental kind of comes up. Boom.

But here's what I'm saying. It's like, okay, those are soft calls, I don't want to see those calls. But you got to know this in the playoffs, you got to have your stick down on the ice.

You bring your stick up around anybody's head or shoulders. You're at risk to get called. And in a game six or seven, I wouldn't even be taking that risk. Don't make it a judgment call for the refs and I think that sometimes the players got to be smarter about how they play.

And it's not always about going into the corner or, like a bat out of hell, trying to get the puck. Sometimes. You got to be smart and be efficient, read the clock, understand the timing of the game and don't put yourself in that position. Because the rest got to make calls too. So, but goaltender interference? Here's what I say I watched Connor McDavid last night.

He cuts back and he kind of goes in behind the defense. But to try to screen. If you're a player going to the net, you cannot slide in behind the defense. It's one of the dumbest things to do as a four. Because all the defense is going to do is back up, because he's entitled to that ice, he's going to back up. You're going to hit the goaltender and anything that happens after that. Now it's a 50 50..

Yeah, now you don't know like now. So you got to stay above the blue paint. If you're a player and stay out of the crease, do not get in the crease.

Once you're in the crease, whether you're pushed in, it doesn't matter. It's a judgment call for the rep and then I'm not going to argue with the rep whether he thinks it's goaltender interference or not. You go to the net, you got to go to the net hard, but you got to be responsible for your body. And guys are so smart.

They're so good at selling calls, and, you know, selling when somebody hits. It's just a difficult time to be a referee, so, you know, it's it's a gray line. But I always say, you can't touch the goaltenders. We have some of the best goaltenders in the league, they got to.