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He's a former Navy seal, talks about escaping communism, coming to America, signing up to become a Navy Seal to fight for our country, his country, our country, your country. This is one of the most inspirational stories you'll ever hear. He has a new book out called The Pledge to America. It's amazing, one of the publishers on this book, I was blown away by it.
Check this out. So, folks, I'm always on the prowl for guests for this show, and for content and interesting clips and interesting people. You know, when you're producing 20-plus hours of content a week. Like we are. You got to fill the airways with not just stuff, I mean, any idiot can talk, you have to fill it with interesting stuff and interesting people. And about two years ago, I guess I came across this gentleman. The man's name is Drago Dezarian.
And I watched the clip, it was actually sent to me by someone and I was absolutely blown away. And ever since then, he's been a pretty good friend to me. He's been on the show a couple of times, but he's got a new book out. It's called The Pledge to America. And it is probably the most powerful biography you're going to read this year, maybe the most powerful biography you're going to read.
I publish a book, I'm proud to do it, it's an amazing book. I want to welcome to the show Drago DeZarian.
Drago, Thanks so much for coming on, we appreciate it.
Thank you Dan. it is, as always, an honor to be on your show. thank you for inviting me.
No, the honor, my friend is mine. Drago, your life story, You're a humble guy, but your life story is powerful. When I read it, I just wanted to be a part of it, because I think your life story is going to change a lot of lives. You grew up in Communist Poland, you know all about tyranny and political prisoners.
You find yourselves in the Navy Seals fighting for the United States. Walk us through this journey, how you get here and why. You decide, relatively late in life that you want to serve the greatest country on planet Earth in the Navy Seals of all things.
Well, as you mentioned, I was born and grew up in a socialist state run by communists like my father. This is something that people do not understand often. That none of these countries behind Iron Curtain, including Soviet Union, were communist, pure communist countries. They were socialist states run by very oppressive regimes and communists. Like I mentioned, like my father, and there's something that we can—that there's only so much people can put out. And eventually, in Poland, people started revolting.
After decades of oppression, political murders, political prisoners, finally people started revolting. And they built in 1980s, after the visit of John Paul II. They built a Solidarity Trade Union movement that was first independent, first in any communist socialist state, behind the first state independent from Communist Party. I was involved in it.
I was helping building it. My mother was heavily involved in this trade union, which eventually became a social movement opposing the socialist tyranny. My father, on the other side, was on the opposite side. He was one of the leading Communists and one of the—probably the member of Communist Party in Poland at the time.
I really understood from the very beginning how bad, how dangerous the social injustice are. I witnessed it in my family, I witnessed my family members being tortured by the police and the secret police in Poland. So I made my mind very early in my life that this is not the system, the political system that I would ever support. And eventually, when communists started losing a grip on society, they resolved to martial law in 1980s.
And this is when I and many other my fellow compatriots there say enough is enough. So we started printing underground bulletin like a newspaper, which was published behind the censorship, the official socialist censorship, and behind the fake news media. So I was arrested shortly after it, and my entire group was arrested. I went to prison, I was sentenced to three years of prison time.
And after I was released on amnesty for political prisoners, eventually, later.
My life was in danger, I had to leave Poland. And since I was always fascinated with America, with American freedom, with people. I asked the U.S embassy in Warsaw for help if I could come to America, and it was approved.
I was given a very quick visa and within three months I escaped Communist Poland, came to America. So I said, my life. I came in 1984, I had a great life.
And I eventually, in 1990s, when the first Persian war broke out, I became a U.
S citizen in 1991. And I felt, and I still feel like this, it was my moral obligation to support my country. For me, the best way to do it was to join military and fight on behalf of America, with a war on behalf of America.
Now, Drago, how old are you at this point? When you decide so you leave? You were a political prisoner in communist Poland. It's amazing you make it to the United States, you love this country so much, you decide you want to serve.
How old are you at this point? And then how does the Navy seals one of the most elite fighting forces in the entire world, if not the most elite? How does that get into your head?
Well, I didn't from the beginning. I didn't know anything about Navy seals, I just I didn't even knew the difference between Navy and Army and Marines. I just wanted to serve. America was at war.
That was my country, the country that gave me freedom and everything that I had.
So I decided to join military. And it happens that I met Navy Seals. I was skydiving instructor at the time, so when Navy Seals came to Memphis, Tennessee to do some parachute jumping and demonstration jumps, of course, they came to our drop zone. I met with them and this is when I talked to them. They actually convinced me to take my paperwork from Army Recruiting Office and move it to the Navy.
And that's what I did. And yes, by that time I was going 32, so I was already too old. But the recruiter told me, Well, no, you are too old. But I can guarantee you, if you sign these papers, you join the Regular Navy, they will make a seal out of you. You know, for me, it was not the most important thing.
I just wanted to serve. America was at war, I wanted to go to war and fight on behalf of America, so it was not the most important thing. But it happened that when I went into the Navy, I graduated as a number one recruit from the boot camp of all the graduation recruits at the time. Then I graduated one of the first in my class in my Navy Trade school, the Parachute Breaking School.
So my track record was good enough that my command actually helped me to get my orders to Navy seal training. And the U.S Navy allowed that exception. Me being the cutoff age was 28 years old, I was almost 40 years past the limit, so I was given the exception and the permission to join the training.
And I graduated from SeAl training in 1993.
We're talking to Drago Dzerian. that last name is spelled D-z-i-e-r-a-n Drago Dzerian. The book is The Pledge to America, his journey from communist Poland and political prisoner to the United States and the elite Navy seals Drago, you didn't just serve in the Navy.
You've actually been in combat. I know we talk about a lot of this in the book, the stories in the book. It's an amazing, transformative biography. It'll change your life, folks, if you read it. But the combat time, I mean, this really meant you were not going over there just because you thought this was a show you were putting on.
You were willing to shed blood for this country, and you were over there in combat zones. Talk about that a little bit.
Well, yes, I was in the middle of deployment to South America at the time when the call to join the Seal platoon fighting war in Baghdad. So, in the middle of my deployment, I was sent to Iraq and I stayed there for over a year. But it helped me also develop as a warrior and helped me develop as a very effective soldier, a sailor fighting on the behalf of America. I spent almost a year in theater on my deployment, on this deployment, and eventually I had to come back. But I think a month later, I was asked to come back again to Iraq.
Actually, I volunteered for it, so I went back. It's supposed to be two weeks trip, which turned into almost five months. And eventually my command called me back, said Gregor. You need to come back, we are about to deploy and you need to join your SeAl platoon before deployment. So I came back, and soon after that I was back again in Iraq, fighting war.
So it was a great honor to be there, to be part of the Seal platoon.
You are such an inspirational guy, Drago. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. You're just like, You're really such. I met you about two years ago and I. You're such a humble guy. You don't even take compliments that well, but you should.
Your story is, you consider it this honor to come here and fight for this country. You're man. Me and my producer are both just shaking our heads. I've heard your story before and it's weird. Every time I hear it, it hits me like, it's the first time. You're such an inspirational guy and and people need to hear your story.
The book is called The Pledge to America by our guest here, Drago Dezerian Drago. I got about two and a half minutes left here. But I cannot let you go without getting your opinion on this, the current political climate right now and the weaponization of government. You were literally a political prisoner in a formerly communist country. What are your thoughts about everything going on right now with the misuse of our government to make people like Trump and others political prisoners?
I think this is the day of infamy. And it's something I was never, I would never expect to ever see it again when I left socialist, oppressive, totalitarian state. And I am very concerned and this is very dangerous. People do not understand the process, what is going on here, because they never leave, they never experienced socialism, they never deal with Communist regime.
So here, what is happening right now is, I think, big eye opener. Hopefully people can educate themselves and stop toying with this dangerous ideology. That more than in people around the globe, and that there are millions of graves, graves around the globe from this ideology. So I hope we can turn our country around, but this is a very dangerous process that was started. And the persecution of former president, the political prisoners held by Democrats in Washington, D.C. is. I don't know what to say about it. You know, my book? Intention of my book was to write a book that will be a prism to how Americans they can look. They see the greatness of America, the exceptional country, through the prism of socialism, through the lens of communism.
But it seems like that the lens is becoming a mirror.
Oh my gosh Drago, I hope everyone heeds the warning you just gave, ladies and gentlemen, my guest, Drago DeZarian. The book is called The Pledge to America One Man's Journey from Political prisoner to U.S Navy Seal. I'm telling you, it is the most powerful biography I've read in a really long time. It'll change your life.
Reading the story, Drago, you're an American hero and a patriot. You're welcome back on this show anytime. Thanks so much for your words and for putting the book together. We really appreciate it.
Thank you, it was so much to be on your show. thank you for inviting us, sir.
You got it, folks. I met this guy two years ago, I'm telling you, he is the absolute real deal. You may love this country a lot, but no one loves it more. You may love it as much as this guy, but you can't love it more.
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So the L.
A Dodgers baseball team insisted on going ahead with honoring an anti-Christian group on Pride Night. We played an important PSA for them and then I just went off, Enjoy this.
This is I can't believe, I cannot believe it. I just saw this a few minutes ago. The L..A. Dodgers The L...A. Dodgers, a working man's baseball team, came from Brooklyn, moved to L..A. Are still going forward with honoring these drag Queen nuns, these sisters of perpetual stupidity, or something whose only purpose is to mock Christianity, apparently.
That's why they use the drag Queen nuns. Keep in mind, they could say drag queens, but drag queen nuns.
They're still going forward, honoring this group tonight. Now we do this occasionally. Some of you know where this is going.
Jim, you can't laugh, you already know.
We consider ourselves a public good. It's talk radio on open airwaves. So we feel an obligation to put out, you know, like Ted Talk kind of things, you know, which like semi-public service announcement kind of thing.
So there was a very, very detailed analysis of a cartesian graph that would be very helpful to morons. Like the people running the L..A. Dodgers, deciding to honor a group that openly mocks Christianity. In a working man's sport, in a working man's team, the L..A. Dodgers. So we play this once in a while.
It's by, I believe his name is Roger Scare. He's a very sophisticated man, that's a very sophisticated man and he was trying to gauge. In cartesian graphing. The level and quantity of effing around you have to do to find out commensurately, the level of finding out pursuant to the effing around.
Now there's slopes involved Y equals MX, plus B. the Y and X graph, the Y intercept, the slope of the line. Regression, line analysis, correlational, Pearson, product, moment, correlation stuff that went into this. There's a lot of math in this, so you're going to have to deal with it, but it's only like 40 seconds or so. And if the L..A. Dodgers just would have paid attention to the now famous F around find out graphing system, they wouldn't be in this situation.
They're in right now, so for all of the country, we're in a lot of markets. Including the great K.A.B.C in L.A. to anyone in the L...A. dodgers who may be listening in L..A.
Right now, if you just would have followed the slope here of the f around find out graph and done the Y equals MX plus B math, you wouldn't be finding out what you're finding out if you would. Jim, I want to find out at a level of seven, OK, so I find that level on my graph. And I come horizontally to my gradient line, where it intersects with my gradient line. I'm going to come straight down to where it intersects with my f around line. That there is going to tell me how much I have to f around to find out what I need to find out.
See, as you can see, the more you f around, the more you're going to find out. And also if you stay down here and you never f around, you'll never find out. So I hope this lesson is helpful.
Thank you.
Jim, Mike and I have heard that seriously close to probably 500 times between times. We played it messing with each other at the show and it's still funny if they just, the Dodgers just would have paid attention if they would have. F around at a level one, they've only be finding out at a level one. Instead, they decided, strangely, to start f around at a level 10, they're now finding out at a level 10..
And it's like they were totally unaware of Roger Scare's graph, which has gone viral thousands of times. Like, Jocko, play this or something. This has been all over, it's not new.
I mean, I can only. I play that every day, but I don't want to wear it out, so I try to keep it like once every two, three weeks. But if you just play that, you can bleep out the words for your kids. But if you just play that for your kids and then play the Kenny Rogers The Gambler song, that's really all the life. Advice they need don't f around, then you won't find out.
And you got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and when to run. They get that 90 percent of the battle with life is good, it's over.
Bud light I mean, Bud light's probably think about it in BEV, right? that owns Bob, they own, I think it's in BEV, right. They own a billion dollar liquid Courage Enterprise. They've probably got HR people from Harvard and Wharton who are like, quarter million dollar a year. Newly minted MBAs I did an MBA at Penn State. I had a good time.
But I'm, I'm serious. Like they should have walked in the boardroom and bud light was like, I think we should do a campaign. Even though we're a working class man's beer, with a guy pretending to be a woman, this will go over well. And everybody in the boardroom was like, Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Sounds good to me, let's roll with it now. You could have had me at 18 because I had a lot of common sense before I was, even in college. I could have walked in with the Roger Scare video and said, Folks, I'm interrupting this emergency board meeting with an emergency of my own. To save in BEV, let me play for you this short video by Roger Scare.
Come in with an iPad hit play. If you have around at a level nine, you'll find out, at a level, if you don't have around, you won't find out. And I love Roger, then he's like, Thank you.
I hope this was helpful. And then everybody in the Dodger boardroom be like, I mean, the Bud light board would be like. Are we effing around here? And then someone else who maybe get some courage, goes, You know what? I think this guy's right, we may be effing around.
I mean, we're kind of a middle class, like dirt under the fingernails. Carpenters, HVAC people who build the country. Your steam fitters, your tin knockers, your truckers, you know, your sheetrock installers, your roofers, you know, like the people who built the place, your plumbers, your electricians. I did like the bud light, right? You think they're going to take well? To a dude in a bathtub pretending to be a woman drinking a beer? And the guy's like, I think we're effing around. I thought it was effing around at a one.
But now I'm thinking I did some calculus.
And I'm not sure I want to find out in a one slope line at a level seven, seven, six, two, I don't know. And then another guy says, You know what? I was convinced before this was the right move.
But after an analysis of the Rogers Scare Eff around and Find out chart, I actually think we're effing around in a nine. And through my equations in this whole quadratic thing, with two missing variables, which I pushed in to this cartesian graph and made it work. In a Matt Damon Goodwill hunting moment, I'm figuring this, I'm figuring this. You guys like apples. How do you like these apples? I think we're actually effing around in a nine, which could have us find out in a nine.
And when I put it into the multivariable, missing quadratic equation. I think this is going to convert to about 10 billion in lost market cap and our shareholders are going to be like, holy shit, 10 million dollars, 10 billion dollars. Let me see your math, let me see this guy's math, Tony, Tony, bring your math over, hold on.
Checking to carry the one, get the calculator. Anybody got a calculator? I'm doing this math. EFF around nine slope, one drop, the regression line comes down.
Nine Find out, find out, punch into the quadratic equation for lost shareholder value. That turns out inside out. remember the quadratic equation. What is it in out, outside, inside, whatever the hell that is?
OK, that turns out to be holy 10 billion in lost value, man, that that that blows, don't? We're a public company, right?
10 billion. How many people work at InbeV?
Probably like, thousands, Oh my gosh folks, I'm just sure, no, no, they're not. Jim doesn't think the shareholders are going to be happy.
See, the difference is the shareholders actually watched the EFF around and find out video. So they knew. The minute this guy was popping the bud light in the bathtub, pretending to be a woman, the shareholders were like, Here, Jim, here, they were on the phone, so so they're like Gordon Gekko and freaking Wall Street.
So so code word Blue Lagoon. So sell now, sell everything. Poor Charlie Sheen don't know what to do, sold his dad out.
Sell, sell, I thought you said, green is good. yes, that's why I'm telling you to sell, sell now.
Sell now, I'll bet. The insiders at Bud, who got wind of this, were like, Yeah, they walked out of the board meeting after telling everyone this was a good idea. They got on the phone with their brokers. Sell everything right now, dude, you got a million in stock options.
It could go up, sell immediately, sell immediately. They're getting involved with a guy in a bathtub pretending to be a woman. Sell now.
Sell it all, dude, but you work there. It could be like insider trading. I'll go to jail, sell everything.
Everything you lost, $10 billion. And it's like the L.A. Dodgers after seeing this target go down, Kohl's go down and Bud Light go down. A couple of Dipwads are sitting around in the L.A. Dodgers. With what?
Jim brought up the best point. It's not like the Dodgers don't know, they probably sell bud light at the stadium.
Hey Tony, how we doing with those bud sales, sir? We haven't sold a can in seven weeks.
What?
How many home games? A lot not one can.
No, not one.
Is it getting to be skunk beer? We're at the skunk beer line now.
It's not like they didn't know, it's not like they didn't know, and they're sitting around the boardroom.
All their bud lights turned into skunk beer. They haven't sold a freaking can at a home game in seven months, a bud light or whatever. And they're sitting around, like, Hey, there's this group out there. They do this mocking Jesus thing on a cross, where they dress up like guys in high heels and shake their wieners at each other's faces, doing fake crucifixions. Let's get them.
Let's do that, let's stop, that's a great idea, let's do that and let's not just have them at the game.
Let's have a ceremony at the beginning. The sisters of perpetual stupidity. Let's bring them out. This is a great idea. let's bring them out, let's bring them out.
It's like, no one in this company, no. It's like they all had their nuts rubber banded and fell off. And like, they couldn't figure out. Like, dude, what kind of a dipwad does this after the bud light incident?
Listen, man, I'm really sorry, but if you're caught on TV at an l.
A Dodgers game. From this point on. You're part of the problem, really. you're part of the problem, man, you are the issue. I'm not telling you, boycott everything all the time.
I know you can, I know it's hard, I get it, but if you're at that stadium drinking a bud light. I was at a Morgan Wallen concert, a dude came up to me.
I think I told you the story. He wanted to take a picture which I was cool with. I said, Bro, not with a bud light in your hand, I'm not taking that picture. Everybody started laughing.
I was not kidding. He's like, you're serious? I'm like, I'm dead serious. I'm not putting on my Instagram any pictures with people with freaking bud light.
Folks, it's not as if they didn't know.
This is just here's a hint with the L..A. dodgers. Let me give you a hint on how to run your business. What do you know about baseball?
Jack squad and Jack left town. I can't name one freaking player on the Dodgers, but I played baseball and here's here we go. Here's my business advice if I go to a baseball game. I don't want to see the sisters of perpetual stupidity shag and fly balls, or any balls, any balls.
I don't care about balls, human balls, balls, balls. I don't care. I just want to see Bunts, singles, home runs and pitching. Just play the freaking game, put the balls on the field and put them back in your drawers.
Which is, it's not hard, bro. Just play the freaking game and let the sisters of perpetual stupidity do their thing elsewhere and save your business up. Next is another American patriot.
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You're not going to hear it anywhere else, so check this out.
This is a great guy, this is going to be a real treat for you, a really great guy. Unlike some of these clowns up on Capitol Hill in this questioning today, a guy with a whole bunch of dignity.
So much so he walked away from, you know, a terrific, secure career in the F.BI to expose wrongdoing. He wrote a book about it. His name is Steve Friend, and he is a good friend to the show. The book is called True Blue. It's out now.
You can pick it up now. I read the book, I endorse the book, the book is incredible.
It's one of those stories that you read it and it's hard to put down, so you probably want to check it out. True Blue by Steve Friend Welcoming Steve back to the show Steve, it's great to be with you, especially today.
How are you doing? how's the book doing you guys rocking with it or what?
I think the verdict's still out, but I'm very optimistic. I've been told by the publisher it's doing pretty well.
You're such an honest guy you are. I love you guys. This guy and Kyle Seraphin are the most honest guys you'll ever meet. Man. Verdict's still out.
It's an awesome book, everyone go see. This is how you can tell a guy who's not Adam Schiff, who isn't full of crap if I asked Adam Schiff that question. Steve, it's the most amazing, freaking thing ever. The book sold 22 million copies, million copies, it's the everyone bought.
It's incredible. You're a great guy. you're a humble guy. Love to have you on the show again, folks. The book is true blue.
I need you here today, though, to kind of do some FBI translation stuff for us, Steve. So John Durham, the special prosecutors up on Capitol Hill, talking today about the dreadful Crossfire hurricane case, the case into Donald Trump. That was based on nothing. Now you were an F.B.I. agent. Here's what I find astonishing. Is an 1811 myself, but in a different agency, we didn't have this preliminary, full investigation thing.
You guys have right, we didn't have that. You either started an investigation or you didn't. How is it that? Durham acknowledged that there was not a single thread of evidence against Trump to start this thing?
And it not only moved from hearsay to a preliminary, to a full investigation to a mueller probe without any supervisor or anyone going. Hey, listen, do we actually have anything?
Isn't that weird?
Well, that can only happen with the willful participation of a politically motivated leadership class, and I hesitate to say leadership, more of a management class within the FBI. That greenlit this all the way up the chain of command and was content to proceed. And open up the toolbox and get all the goodies inside. In the hopes that they would be able to find something, anything that they could to derail the Trump presidency from happening.
You use the key word there, that this witch hunt into Trump, which has now been fully exposed. Today up on Capitol Hill with the Durham hearing. This was willful. This wasn't an accident, that this wasn't a few mistakes that, you know you got. You were with the F.BI. They investigate bank robbery. it wasn't that a bank was robbed.
And Steve Friend is a former FBI agent, went out and arrested the wrong guy. It happens, it's rare, but it happens. The point, Steve, is that no bank was robbed at all and somebody got arrested for it.
This had to be willful.
Exactly, and I think it's an indication and of what we've been seeing from the FBI and DOJ for the last several years. Especially especially since President Trump ascended to do the spotlight as far as being a political actor here. And that is the willingness, on behalf of the FBI, to seek process crimes to punish its political enemies. So he takes the situation where Mike Michael Flynn was interviewed at the direction of James Comey, he sent agents over to interview Mike Flynn. Not for a legitimate purpose, but with hope that they could contrive a way to articulate that he lacked it. Immediately open a obstruction or lack of a thousand one case against him.
And that is just not in keeping with the traditions of law enforcement, where there's an actual incident or an offense, or a crime committed, and then an investigation ensues. Instead, here, they're picking the man and trying to find a crime.
And we're talking to Steve Friend, author of a really incredible book. I fully endorsed it on the back. If you want to pick it up, it's called True Blue out now. Steve's a great guy, folks.
We got to really support these guys who support us and the Constitution. Steve walked away from the FBI. He didn't have to do it, he could have shut his mouth and just played along and he didn't.
And either did Kyle or Garrett O'Boyle, or Marcus Allen, or others. Steve, One question I get a lot I'll pose to you. I was going to go somewhere else, but while I've got you, I get this a lot from listeners.
And, fair enough, it's a good question. They say, Yeah, we've got Steve, we've got Kyle, you've got these heroes speaking.
You've got the FBI because you're a humble guy, but we do so. Just take it right. But why aren't there more?
Why aren't there more? I mean, it's clear right now, between the targeting parents as domestic terrorists, the targeting Christians and churches like all this stuff going on with the FBI, there should be hundreds of you. What's going on?
I would, I agree with you, I'm questioning that myself. I think it's a mixture of fear because they see what happened to somebody like Gerardo Boyle, who was clearly trapped by the FBI and had to put his family through the wringer. In such a significant, substantial way, I think that people delude themselves with the the argument that they just have to follow orders. And you just have to look to history and realize that it doesn't smile too kindly on those that subscribe to that belief.
And then, finally, I think financially, so many people are beholden to the paycheck from the FBI. And they convince themselves in their recesses of the brain that they have to do this because they have to feed their family. And I've come around to the idea that I would rather raise hungry children than morally bankrupt children. And I'm hopeful that more individuals will come forward, having seen the example that guys like Garrett and Kyle have said.
Yeah, and you? yeah. And then Kyle said something to me, Kyle is surfing, is another FBI agent, another American hero.
Kyle said to me when I initially met him, something interesting and I tend to agree with his assessment, and he was not in any way condoning it. Folks, I just want to be clear.
He said to me, Steve, he says, Listen, Dan, you know, you were an agent, too. You know how it is, a guy tells you how to do a security plan, and you know, this is how we did it in the past, and you do it.
You don't ask a lot of questions, there's a lot of stress, you just do it, he said. You know, I'll bet you, 90 percent of these guys aren't even political at all in the bureau. And some supervisor told him, Hey, just go do this, get a warrant on this guy, whatever.
And they just did it. He was not in any way excusing it. And now that they know, they should know better. But but your thoughts on that is? Some of them were just, you know, hey, this is what we did because people told us to do it.
I think that there's a history of doing that, and I think that for a long time, that that past muster. But unfortunately, now the FBI has exposed itself and the mask has fallen away. Especially from people in the highest ranks, that they're political actors, that there needs to be a healthy skepticism. Certainly, anybody who's an FBI agent is trained to use critical thought. And that's what I did in my situation, where I was looking at what we were doing and realized that the FBI was departing from its rules.
And there should always be, at its core, a system idealist inside anybody who's an investigator or a police officer, and being a system idealist is following the law, following the policy, following the constitution. And if your case is not buttoned up, it doesn't matter. If you're sending people to the gulags in Washington, D.C. where you're guaranteed to get the W, you have to do it the right way. And that's why I'm hoping that you're keeping with the oath that you took.
And I'm hoping that again, individuals will use their critical thoughts here and not necessarily give the benefit of the doubt to these cases. Because it's certainly bearing itself out, as the facts emerge, that there's. There's a serious lack of justice for so many people, especially on the right side of the aisle.
Yeah, we're talking to Steve, friend, FBI whistleblower Steve, a couple of questions one at a time. Is the FBI, as you see it constituted today? is it? is it savable? I mean, can we save the FBI as an entity by, say, housecleaning and management? Or is it time for something more drastic? Taking the money, taking the the human resources and placing them in different agencies as we break up the mission?
I mean, what do you see being a former insider as being a viable solution? Because we need a functioning entity that can criminally investigate terrorism and crime.
Yeah, I think that the brand is so tarnished at this point that there's going to be substantial portions of this population that are not going to trust. Any case the F.B.I. brings to court and it needs to be rethought, reimagined. And I think that the best way to do that is to look to our past, and that is in the constitution. We originally elected senators from the state assemblies, and that was to small our Republican eyes and give the state's authority over the federal government.
And I think you can do the same thing with law enforcement. Remove the 1811 from the F.BI, take out its ability to enforce these, these, these investigations that it's done. And deputize local agencies, deputize local detectives and police officers. And give those agencies the ability to submit their personnel and give them a final say. So, if the FBI says, Hey, we're investigating Dan Bongino for domestic terrorism, then the local sheriff has the ability to say, that's great. FBI get bent. But we're not going to allow that arrest to happen because we have the arrest powers here.
Gosh, that's a that's a fascinating idea, you know, Steve? I've thought about this often, about how to reform federal law enforcement. I've had a number of ideas, I've written about in a number of books myself. About breaking it up into three co-equal and equally powerful entities an intelligence entity, a criminal entity, and an IC. An intelligence community. Excuse me, an investigative community that works just like the I.G does now, because the I.G.'s weak.
I mean, what is it for us? By us? You know? He's a joke. And the Secret Service had its own people looking at it. I mean, you're not really going to, you're going to think about it.
You've grown up with an agent, a guy's getting investigated for doing an oil change, whatever on on a company dollar. And it was his personal car. You're really going to interview this guy if he's your buddy. I mean, they all have problems like this, but that's a fascinating solution. We're talking to Steve, Friend.
He's the author of a new book called True Blue Fantastic. It's his story of the issues in the FBI and why he left Steve. Just your thoughts lastly, on now that we've got these. Durham testimony. And it's clear that the FBI engaged and was an active participant in probably the biggest political scandal in American history, the targeting of Donald Trump.
You know, the cover up I find to have been worse than the crime, I bet, like you, you can't possibly imagine doctoring a document to go after a guy like Carter. Page, who was working on behalf of the United States government, the CIA. And contacting Russians, and then doctoring a document to say he was a Russian source. I mean that I find of this case to be the most unbelievable thing that this actually happened within the bureau.
Yeah, I'm just enormously disappointed that that could have ever happened at any law enforcement agency, let alone the self-annointed Premier Law Enforcement Agency. For the entire country. I take great pride in myself on being a professional and what I did and subscribe to what my dad taught me. And that was when you score a touchdown, you don't spike the football because you act like you had been there before. And you do things the right way, and you don't pick a target and then find any way to do it. And that is the stuff of the StaSi and the KGB. And back to the earlier question as far as breaking things up. That's the problem now within these agencies, especially within the FBI, where it's now combined intelligence with law enforcement.
And as a result, we're seeing a completely weaponized and politicized agency that is willing to bend, if not outright, break the law in order to go after its opponents. And it's it's tremendously disappointing and there has to be accountability. It can't just be more training for the rank and file. I need to see scalps.
I need to see the Holman rule enforced, I need to see our salary zeroed out, people terminated from the top.
Some reform, if not, we can just break this agency down to a thousand pieces and scatter to the wind.
Yeah, Steve, you're right, I mean, you can. Do. You really need a rule to tell someone not to lie to a judge about a guy being a source for the CIA? Do you need a rule for that? You know, I got to run.
So did you wear an oath to protect the Constitution in front of God? Apparently, that's just an iPhone user agreement to so many of these guys. Now they just click Yes.
To get, they just said, agree.
Something to me again when I first met him. Kyle Serafin, another former FBI agent whistleblower. He said You know, they take us to the Holocaust Museum just to remind us of the just following orders tragedies throughout human history. And he said, You know, that mattered to me. That really changed me when I went there. And that's what I think motivates guys like you and guys like Kyle.
You're not going to follow orders if they, if they collide and clash with the raising. Your right hand constitutional oath you took to protect this great country, you're not going to do it.
Fantastic guy Steve friend, he's a friend to me, a friend to the show. He gave up a lot to expose this F.B.I. malfeasance. His story is told in the book True Blue. Pick It Up Today.
Steve, thanks for your time. you're always welcome back here, my.
Friend, thank you very much Dan, thank you for helping me all along the way you've.
Got it, you got it, folks. I told you there are good guys out there, I wish there were more, but he's one of. There's a. There's a crew of them now Garrett O'Boyle, Marcus Allen, Steve Friend, Kyle Serafin.
These are good, decent human beings. I've had enough of this bull, you get the rest. That was Steve friend up.
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On it, you're gonna hear the whole argument just materialize on air. This was great.
All right, let's go to the phones, let's take Wendy, Wendy, you're on.
The Dan Bongino show What do you got for us, Mr. Bongino? Please stop talking so terribly about Democrats and liberals. Half the things you say, they're not even familiar to me.
I'm not for abortion, I'm for choice, I'm not, I don't know. You put a lot of words in the mouths of liberals and Democrats, but all right, well, let's.
Time out, let's go into, let's start. Well, hold on, Wendy, let's let's address this. You're not for abortion, you're choice, the choice to do what.
The choice for.
People to make their own decisions about their health care. No, no, no, we're not.
Talking about health care, the choice to do what people have, the choice. People can go into an emergency room right now, make the choice to get health care, and the emergency room has to provide health care. So let's stop the euphemisms.
You're.
Pro-choice the choice to do what?
To have an abortion if you choose to do so, okay.
What is an abortion?
The stopping of a pregnancy? No, no, no, it's not the stopping of a pregnancy. There are a lot of pregnancies that are stopped due to miscarriages and other things. It's the killing of an infant's life, it's the termination of their life.
So wait, wait, wait, hold on. You said I'm mischaracterizing you, so you just admitted that you are for abortion because you're not for health care.
Choices You're for abortion, correct? I am pro-choice. personally, I am not pro choice, but I'm pro-choice. I've heard Donald Trump say that Democrats....
But you're for.
The choice to kill babies.
Correct, you think that's, you think that that's a good thing for society. To be able to whack little kids inside the womb, well, why is that? what's good about that? why should we be whacking little kids in the?
Womb.
Personally, I do not think that's a good thing, I just think that people have...
So if it's not a good thing, then why shouldn't we make it harder to do? I'm.
Just asking questions, I guess we should make it as difficult as maybe owning a.
Gun. This is what's called a non-sequitur. wait, wait, time out. When people lose an argument, they do the non-sequitur. Jon Stewart does this all the time.
That's a different issue we can debate another time. I'm asking you a question you just admitted in front of my eight million listeners that abortion is not a good thing. Abortion is a bad thing.
So we make other bad things hard to do. Why shouldn't we enact laws making abortion really hard? Why?
But that's what you.
Guys don't understand my choices are different than other people's choices. The rules that you guys want to put, okay, so are mine. I choose not to.
Support people who murder babies. Okay, so why do you? I don't want to stop people from?
Going to church, I don't want to stop people from. That has nothing to do with.
Abortion again, you're engaging in what's called non-sequiturs. It's a typical tactic of the leftist, who starts to lose track of the debate and gets nervous. I'm asking you a question, why would you not make what you just acknowledged as a bad thing more difficult?
I'm not saying it shouldn't be difficult, that's the thing. Okay, we agree, Wendy. thank you. It should be more difficult to whack babies in the womb.
Gosh, it's the first time I've ever gotten to agree that pro-life stances are the way to go moving forward. Thank you, Wendy, for confirming in front of the nation that pro-choice is pro-abortion. Thanks for listening to Sunday podcast. We always appreciate it. If you ever want to listen to the radio show live, go to Bongino..com.
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