#2009 - Duncan Trussell

I feel good to be in a lab coat. It feels like my opinion means more. Dude, it does. I mean, I love this is.

Yeah, probably like, like, is this the right spray for me? Isn't it amazing? Amazing. Like,

Was that a problem back then?

It's not like costumes, like doctor costumes. Right. You go to a doctor. Doctor,

That.

Yeah. He's a regular guy. Like a tank top. A dude in a tank top. A dude who's dressed like Joe Dirt.

Also the hammer. They bang the hammer.

Well,

What's the root of cult and occult? Like, what is the connection to those two words?

The.

fascinating thing about cults is that when they get to a certain size, we stop calling them cults. Yeah. Like, they're really successful. The idea is that there's no such thing as a successful cult, and that's really just not true. Okay.

The words cult and occult are popular terms that should not be confused with one another. So what are the differences between them? The term cult typically is used by the secular media to describe religious or semi-religious groups whose members are controlled in almost every single respect by a single individual. Some good examples are hard Christians and Scientologists, but that's not like a single individual. I don't think that's a good definition.

You know what I'm saying? By a single individual. That's not, I think that is a group. That's the classic. Yeah, but they're saying Scientology.

Scientology clearly has an organization. I mean, there's one guy. that's the head of Scientology, but they have like a whole, they're very, it's a very complex organization. Very complex. Oh, well, I mean, I think the idea.

The bigger it gets in the deputies, have deputies, or whatever you want to call it. And then, and that's how you get a big functional cult. Right. Right. You know, and I think probably, I mean, it would be safe to say that a successful cult passes that barrier between what the fuck you guys believe, that shit to what the fuck you don't believe, that shit.

Like your cult doctrine, becomes the like language of truth. Yeah. And then you've succeeded. Like, then your cult, that's like the, you're one in a hundred million, maybe most cultures fail, I imagine. Yeah.

But that seems.

Like you, and I, you know,

Then that's when it works. Right. But it should only be, it should be situational, right? It shouldn't be like, you know, everything. Right.

That's where it turns into a cult. Well, that's like,

It's a distortion. But it's a thing that happens to you when you're really good at one thing where you think you're just exceptional, period. Right. And you think you know more about me. Maybe, you know, like there's scientists that are really terrible about health.

They're probably brilliant when it comes to certain aspects of whatever it is. they study, string theory. Yeah, sure. But their, their, their knowledge of health, their knowledge of how to work, their own, like. I've talked to scientists, like, I don't think vitamins are important.

Like, what the fuck are you saying? Dunning-Kruger effect. Dunning-Kruger effect. Thank you. The smart, sorry, it says the smarter you feel, the dumber you are.

The dumb people think they are smart and the smart people think they're dumb. If you're like most people, you're likely to be very good at something. And you openly admit you're less competent at something else. However, we've all met someone in our work and life who always overestimates their knowledge or ability of a certain topic or skill. Where some people are obviously incompetent in a particular subject, you like confidently insist they know everything.

That's when you start to wonder how on earth could this person be that well stupid? In fact, this is not uncommon. Even William Shakespeare mentioned it 400 plus years ago, the fool thinks himself to be wise, while a wise man knows himself to be a fool. Today, this phenomenon is known as cognitive bias of illusionary superiority. So, um, but it, but it does have something to do with you being good at something and being really stupid at other things because you think you're smart.

What a great insult to.

They didn't focus on proper grammar or how to structure a good sentence. They focused on a particular act, whether it's swimming or whether it's chess, or whether they focused on whether it's playing guitar, playing pool. I've met brilliant people playing pool. I think I've told you about my friend Johnny, who could do complex math in his head. Yeah.

I mean, not complex, but math in his head. So what you would do, you would, you would, one guy would have a calculator and we would do this at the pool, and then we would go 300 divided by 5 minus 4 plus 16 times 2, and he would bang. Yeah. He would just rattle it out. We would go, what the fuck, man?

Yeah. What it, what the fuck? And he was.

They must be. This episode is.

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They must be. They have to be. They must be. And this guy, Johnny, he, had a lot of mental health problems, like serious mental health problems and drug problems. But he was one of the most brilliant people I've ever met.

And socially brilliant. You know, he's a pool hustler. Yeah. But he's very socially brilliant. Like he knew when people were full of shit.

Yeah. He knew when people's egos were flaring up. He knew like, and he loved comedy. It was like his favorite thing. And so I met him at the pool hall and took him to see comedy.

And I took him to one of my shows and he fucking loved it. He's like, oh, I love when they call people out on their bullshit. It was like, he was like a social scientist. Yeah. But also could play all these different musical instruments.

Homeless. Homeless. I met a kid who was 16 years old and he was a chess wizard who, like, wanted to hang out with the bad boys. It was really interesting, because he was like this super nerd, that all of a sudden he was hanging out with these guys who were smoking and gambling. And he was 16 and it's like really rough pool hall.

And he would sit down with this guy who just got out of jail. And this guy just got out of jail and, in jail, learned how to play chess in his head. So they don't have a board. So because they don't have a board, they have to call out the numbers in their head. So I'm watching this recently released prisoner and a 16 year old super nerd play chess in their head.

And they're calling it out. And I'm sitting there like, I'm watching them do magic. What? Yeah. So like C to four, seven.

Yep. Yep. Yep. And they're keeping track of the whole table in their head. They just see it in their head.

And there was no arguments, by the way.

It's crazy. Yeah. Graphene, color, synthesia.

Right. They knew exactly. They both knew exactly where.

It's like, they're just seeing it. And so, and they're keeping track.

Do you add that? It's called blindfolded chess. Okay. It's a skill. I'm watching, I'm looking at, oh, it's gotta be a skill.

There's videos of people teaching you how to do it. Oh, wow. Um, but I'm trying to, this is just like people talking about it. I'm actually trying to find a, like a game, I guess it's not showing two people, though. It's not, it's kind of hard to watch.

Is there one that says, uh, how to, uh, two people playing blindfolded chess. I figured something would pop up by playing chess. Is that it? No.

Yeah. Head to head to head, mental combat. That's just a different kind of chess. See, that's what I thought. What is it called?

again? This is something else. How do they, what do they call blindfolded chess? How about just type in two people playing blindfolded chess?

Chess. There it is. Blindfolded chess. It's just one guy.

There's a guy playing 48 games blindfolded. Jesus Christ. Wow. What? While he's riding an exercise bike.

Oh my God. That's so insane. At the same time. Oh my God. That is so insane.

Can you imagine getting beaten at chess? I feel so bad. He says he developed a technique of a.

Yeah. It's all there. He explained the chess.com. I walk into my kitchen and see that stack of bananas. The abstract images are an analog for specific moves.

So presumably he now knows a lot of.

I wonder if they do say that chess is like one of the very best games, for just your cognitive function. Makes sense. It's super complex. I mean, think of. it's basically like running with your brain.

It's pretty, I only got into it because I had a cool video game where the chess pieces could fight. And so that made me like get interested in the most surface level. I mean, I was horrible, but the opening moves and how each opening move, there's, statistically, I think, the right opening, second move to do against the opening move. And then all these combos and shit that you have to memorize. And then you have to think so many moves ahead.

So, based on all the possible things they might do, producing all these parallel chess timelines, and you're trying to pick the one that's like the one you went in. Chess falls

And my brain does not produce the same level of pleasure leaving the gym, but what is it like? 30% of that? And I think sometimes, if you are particularly weak, you'll just settle for that. You're like, you know what, that's fine. I'll enjoy that.

And then it just goes on and on. You need to have undisciplined people on your show sometimes, because I'm always struggling with it. You know what I mean? And you're like disciplined.

It's an aspiration. And so I'll get going to the gym. I'll start working out. I'll feel better than I've ever felt in my life. You know what got me to the gym, by the way?

The last podcast, you described how you feel not working out. And I'm like, that's the last two years of my life.

And then, you know, so I'm like, fuck, I got to do this. And, like, you know, walking out, it's simultaneously wonderful and kind of sad. Because you walk out and you're like, I feel so good. Like, yeah, this is all I just had to do this. Yeah.

It wasn't painful. It's fun. Yeah. And now I feel great. And you're like, fuck, man, two years.

Two years, I went off of it. That's scary. When you're, you know what I mean? When you, when you're oscillating between those two modes, you know, and you don't want to get stuck in the devil's mode. But you, you know, it's a possibility.

You know, you somehow glued yourself to that. This one, like you, you don't.

I don't want my body to fail. Like I don't. I've seen people my age. Yeah, that don't exercise and their shoulders don't work and their knees are fucked. And they're always tired.

And yeah, like, that's not a good way to go through life. If you want to enjoy life, you want to have as much energy as possible. And the best way to have as much energy as possible is to be really fit, be really fit and healthy and eat good foods and take a lot of vitamins, take supplements, take, you know, eat healthy food, try to stay the fuck away from processed garbage. Don't drink too much. Right?

Don't, don't do anything bad for your health, because your, your, your energy, depends upon this physical form. Yeah, it's literally made out of what you put in. Yeah, it's literally made out of that, both with effort and with food, right? And with sleep, yeah, the effort that you take to sleep, right. And then also the effort you take to have a stress free environment, you know, the effort that you take to put out is as little bullshit as you can.

And to like, be nice to people as often as you can. And just sort of keep harmonious, fun people around you. Yes, you you feel better. Yeah. You know, like when, if I'm going through something like some friends of mine are squabbling and I have to like, get in between them and have conversations.

I fucking hate it. Yeah, I hate it. worse. I hate when people's feelings are hurt. I hate when people are mad at other people.

I fucking hate it. And I think a lot of times that can be avoided. But if you could, if you're not avoiding it, you're just jumping in it all the time. Yeah. Your stress levels are so high.

Your comfort levels are so low. You're always going to be feeling like shit. And there's people that get caught up in a cycle of that. They're always calling people out and getting called out and insult and trying to find the deepest burn.

And keep that shit out of your life. to keep that shit out of your life. But you know, don't, don't not call things out when something's atrocious. Right. But, but just the less bullshit you have in your life, whether it's bullshit that you have to deal with, cause you didn't exercise where your body's breaking down.

It's like car maintenance. Like if you just don't ever change your oil, you could go a long time. I dated, I dated this girl once when I was 22, and she told me she had never changed the oil in her car. I go, how long have you had this car? She started the car.

It was like literal black smoke was coming out of the back. Holy shit. She had a Firebird. And I was like, you've never changed your oil. She never changed her oil, but your car was still driving.

That's a lot of human's bodies. It's the same thing. It's just, it's very similar. You're not doing the maintenance.

In the, in the inharmonious reality than the harmonious one. I think that, that probably, I mean, I it's cynical to say, but probably what, like 70% of people, to some degree, are stuck in the gravity? well, of whatever those things, it's a gravity. well, that's that, because that's the thing, man, you know, climbing out of that fucking hole is the hardest part, but that hole has its own gravity, and the gravity is around addiction to just the stuff you're describing. You're addicted to drama.

You're addicted to eating shitty food. You're addicted to like staying up late and doom scrolling or whatever. It's, it's a gravity. And so then you got to crawl out of it to get into that other place. And you get in that other place.

And generally the first thing you think is, God, this is incredible. But then, the more you stay in that place, you kind of forget how bad it felt in the other place. And that's where the pattern can, like, you get sucked back into the gravity. well, you don't like stay steady in the discipline. Yeah.

I think that's a lot of people.

Yeah. You can do that. I've done it. You can do it. People can do it.

You gotta,

Into thinking that there is an aggression behind it. And, you know, I don't know if you can get rid of all aggression and confrontation. Like, I don't know if it's possible to fully drop it. I imagine, but, you know, listening to other people too, like I try, I have to do that. If you're like you, you, you were being short, you know, or you were whatever, you gotta listen.

Even though I don't think I was, your volume might be different or something. We were having.

Yeah. But you can't make those kinds of jokes sometimes with regular people, like regular people, where you were insult. Like you could say, like the most heinous joke to Tony Hinchcliffe and he would fall on the ground laughing, holding his side. You can say terrible things about him and connecting him to Joffrey from Game of Thrones. And he'll, he'll be on the ground laughing.

Right. But if you do that to just a regular guy that you work with, it's very likely he's going to be severely upset. Oh, very butthurt. And we are so used to talking.

And you can't, you can't do that. No, you can't. I just put, I just put a tear, eye drops in my eyes. So my face was wet as though from tears. Walked out in the living room and told our midwife that Obama had died.

Like, and thank God she has, she laughed. Sense of humor. But then suddenly I was like, what the fuck am I doing? My wife is looking at me like, what are you doing? It's a midwife.

You're coming out here with fake tears saying Obama died. Obama died. That's fucked up. Everyone, like, went, Oh, what? Because you know, it would be so upsetting.

But like, and then I realized, like, what am I doing?

What am I doing? You're doing what you would do.

You should do it. You should definitely meet them. Remember that last night? Me too. You were trying to convince me.

I can't even say it because I.

with comedians. We will shift from reality to just like making up a story with each other instantly. It's such a fascinating mode of communication. And it's definitely not normal.

Sorry about that, man.

Yeah, you're about to have a baby. While we're doing this, Duncan is about to have one more.

No, no, I know. I get it. Please continue. Do you remember what you're saying? Nope.

Yeah. I love it, dude. To me,

once you start applying this to everybody and you realize a lot of times we're using a mode of communication based on our experience with our particular job or business or whatever, and trying to get other people, or even the way you were raised, this is you learn this mode of communication potentially from lunatics. Like you can't choose where you're born. That's very true. And then those people enter into conversations thinking that everyone else understands what it's like to come out of that kind of universe, man. And then you're like, you're an asshole.

No, you're an asshole. And it's like, no, neither of you are assholes. You're just applying. You're trying to get people into your reality tunnel instead of at least finding the middle point between yours and theirs. It's the worst.

Slowly enter into the preposterous. I got you. I got you. Yeah, that. Oh yeah.

So if you're doing that with like normal people, it would take a long time for them to figure out what the fuck you're doing. And then, when they do, they're like, why?

Why did you do that?

Then they would never trust you again. He's a sociopath.

The best. Some of my favorite comedy. We were crying last night. We were crying. Yeah.

Every night. And it's cool.

It's that two shows,

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This is a possibility. This is happening.

Everything that exists that human beings have created, just think about the fucking immense amount of objects that we've created. All of them came from ideas. All of them. We think of this as my idea. I had this idea, but we both know that ideas are very strange.

They come to you in the weirdest of ways. It's the reason why people believe in the muse. It's the reason why Pressfield's book, The War of Art, is so good. Yeah. Because when he documents this sort of journey that he goes on every day, when he writes, where he summons the muse.

Yeah. He does it like it's in his mind. No, it's a real thing. And then starts to write and treats it like a ritual. You're going to be there all the time.

What is happening there? What are you summoning when you get these ideas? Whether it's summoning something that's a creative work, like literature, or whether it's the invention that changes society forever. Right. Like all of them, came from ideas.

He doesn't even ascribe it to his own mind. It was like a vision.

I'm sorry, you guys, if I'm wrong about this, but I read it and was blown away. I think it was on his Wikipedia, but I could be wrong. Apparently, he was thinking about Faust when he had the vision. Now, I hope I'm not wrong about that, you guys. Jamie, would you mind?

I'm sorry, dude. I could be wrong. I'm sorry, y'all, if I am. But yeah, Faust is about an alchemist who makes the... yeah.

There it is.

Isn't that wild?

So then you go back and you think, well, what inspired Goethe? And then you realize it's like this crazy wave of... like it ripples through time. Like somebody gets inspired, writes it down. It's beautiful.

I don't know how long passed between when he wrote that and Tesla had his vision, but certainly, obviously Goethe probably had no idea that when he spent the time writing that thing and trusted to write it down, he was going to warp the entire planet. His poem was going to ripple out and warp the entire planet just from a poem. That's wild, man. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that nuts?

Especially, I mean, it's so meta.

1808..

Cut to. now, there's self-driving cars.

Should we have that? Yeah. And we spent a fucking year and a half doing this. It was a long process before it actually got built.

Yeah. Then you got to start growing it. And then the phases of growing it can be really torturous and long. Somewhere in there, you're like, this sucks. This is really the dumbest thing of all time.

And then you keep working on it. And maybe you realize that's true. Or you fix it. It's like a puzzle. But that is why so many people, I think, are letting inspiration come all over their face, but not letting it inside.

Anytime I'm putting stuff in there, that's taking away from all my other stuff. And one thing that people need to understand is that one of the things your brain will do to protect yourself from, whether it's the pressure of success or succeeding or accomplishing things, your brain will, when you're presented with the stress of trying to accomplish something, it will put extra emphasis on all these stupid things in your life to distract you. It almost protects you from the stress of having to do the work. You see people sabotage their lives, sabotage their careers. You see it happen to artists, musicians, fighters, comedians.

It's a normal thing that we do. just as human beings. You get freaked out by what you know you should do, so you spend more time paying attention to the things that you shouldn't do.

general sense of like, oh, I'm a piece of shit because you're not doing it. And then, when you finally get around to doing it, you realize the thing you didn't want to do is so fun most of the time.

Then your brain will orient, I think, in a more healthy way. I hope mine does eventually.

I make it easy, so I do it. And I just, I have to do it. If I don't do it, I don't feel good. I don't think good. I don't act good.

Right. It's better. for me. It's medicine. And so I take my medicine and then I'm, and then I'm happy, Joe.

Hello. Yeah. I'm everybody's friend. I want to give everybody hugs. Right.

I want to be nice. I want to see everybody succeed and grow. And I'm not in my own head. Right. I'm free.

Right. So I have to be free. And for me, I feel like the human body, especially when you've put a lot of demand on that body over a long period of time, like I have, it has requirements. Yeah. It's like a dog.

You know, when you have a dog, one of the things that I do with my dog is I exercise that dude. I throw the ball for him. I play with him. We jump in the water and swim together. Dogs need exercise.

Right. They need it. It's like, and when he gets it, he's like chill and relaxed. And when he doesn't, he's like a little antsy. You know, you could tell like he's a little down.

Right. He wants to exercise. He's a dog. Wee. Yeah.

It's fun. He likes chasing that fucking ball. Let's go. Right. He gets so excited.

I always feel like I'm boring him. I'm like the ball again. He's like, fuck. yeah, the ball again. Let's go.

Yeah. It's never not fun for him. Yeah. And so that's his medicine. And when he gets his medicine, he's a happier dog.

Right. And that's my medicine. Yeah. It's just a thing you have to do to maintain your body at the best form. Yeah.

And if you maintain your body at the best form, you have the most energy. You have the most energy for thinking. You have the most energy for activities. You have the most energy for anything physical that comes up. You know, I'd like being strong.

I think it's important. I think, if I could give, if it was an option in pill form, like, could you, would you take this pill? There's no side effects other than your health will improve and you'll be much stronger. Would you take it? Everybody's going to take it.

Sure. Everybody would take it. Of course. Well, that, that exists. It's just not a pill.

You just have to exercise for long periods of time and be very consistent.

Do you remember my bit about the talking dog?

Oh, fuck, man.

Everyone's just going to slowly eat plastic until your dick shrinks and we're all going to become aliens.

And you'll just watch it around you as people like come super hard because everyone's Neuralink got hacked. That's going to happen. Or whatever, whatever.

Bang, bang.

Yeah.

Nobody sees. All the shit that people do behind closed doors. There's all this shit that isn't that person they put out front. And you know, the bigger the tension between those two things is, the worse your life is going to be. But the, yeah, man, it's just weird to think about that.

Like no matter what, no matter how professional a person presents us, no matter how like they've got it together, they seem to have it together. You don't know.

Like, there's no video of a president coming. There, isn't that I'm aware of. We will never know.

That painting?

We got one. And that is so crazy to think about. Like a president who is being extorted, the president of the United States being extorted.

And like what that would feel like to be the president and know that you are no longer actually the president, that you are now the, like. you are just a puppet of some other fucking thing. Dude, I hope that's not, I would, I think you're right, but God damn, that's sinister. I wish it was just bad taste. Just shitty fucking art on your walls.

Oh, it's wild. It's wild. I gotta pee.

Where were we?

You control the country. So there's a clearly a pressure there. There's obviously people who would love to do that and probably try, would try and have probably succeeded a few times, meaning that our understanding of democracy, as, like the president, represents the people. It's like totally wrong that in fact it's potentially someone being controlled by people you'll never meet or maybe never even knew existed.

Yeah. This is why all of our American politicians are like-.

Like, wow. How'd you make that much money? You just got back into business.

But also a lot of people will say, don't even talk, you're not even supposed to say that. And even though it's true, even though it's in plain sight, trackable, traceable, precedent for it in the past, not even that astounding, you are supposed to rest in this strange dream world where human beings experiencing some of the most power you can have in the world, don't go a little or totally or completely insane, or don't get hijacked, or don't get like we're supposed to pretend that doesn't happen. Right. When you look at the president, look like. Does Biden seem like he'd be hard to trick?

They accidentally said, yeah, six point two more than they were supposed to. Well, then they just sent some more.

So can you send back the sixty two billion dollars? Six point two. Six point two billion dollars actually sent to you. Can you just send it back? Because you think if it's a clerical error, right, then they're going to be like, oh, shit.

You know, I didn't notice the six point two billion dollars going into my account. That's how rich I am. I'll send. But there's so much money because like at some point, you know, it's just, I don't even know what it is. Just billions.

Lots of billions. Yeah, it's pretty weird.

Why does that sound like they're playing a game? You know what I'm saying? That's like sounds like a game.

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It's confusing, and it's also it. it has this air of authority to it. Like the judge wearing the robe.

So I don't know if that's 10 or if it's what they just doubled.

And it goes out there. Everyone sees it. Everyone's busy, dude. Yeah. And no one has time to really like start thinking about.

No. Three point, two billion dollars. Six point, six point, two billion dollars that we've all put into that pot. Like every single person living in America has put some dollars in that pot. And some of those dollars, you know, bridges are fucking collapsing.

You know, it's. it is should be mildly frustrating to people, mildly frustrating to realize six point, two billion dollars of like fireman checks, teacher checks, nurse checks, the frontline workers. That's that that that money is like, doesn't that matter enough to for them to like be more careful about it? And also when they fuck up like that, where's the apology? You just blew six billion dollars of tax money.

And it was a mistake. You're not keeping like. imagine if your accountant made the same mistake. Just basic accountant. Would you?

Keep that accountant as your accountant, and if you did, you're a fucking idiot. You got to fire that account and get an accountant who doesn't like misplace so much money, right? Yeah. And especially if the accountant didn't apologize, which is like, oh, right. Well, as you see, we have a different pot where some of your money to pot thing allocated.

It's allocated. It's allocated in the pots. Do you know how complex our pot system is? You should see it. I've got a thousand pots back there, varying sizes.

They did change according to astrological shifts. Don't even worry about it. It's just a pot. I kind of got to go. Come on.

Like, it's so frustrating. It's so frustrating.

We have securities in place. It's numbered. We've got to come on. Right. So if you have a money printer in America, are you fucking kidding me?

If you're the main printer of money in America, like you're the one who, like presses, enter on the computer to print out two trillion dollars.

Wow. You're like that's like living next to the sun. You're just.

Like no one can duplicate. that. Like you have to make it so complex that it can't be counterfeit.

And so there's like evolutionary pressure to like keep things going faster.

Same with counterfeit, right? It's got to be like. so they're like, OK, we solve the problem, we put a like triple hologram underneath, that is, it would require 700 micro sheets of paper to duplicate. Somebody is looking at that and being like, how much money would it cost to duplicate that? And they're like, oh, probably a million dollars.

And they're like, great. We'll pay for it with the money we print.

We'll take the loan, print the money and pay for it. And then they're like, fuck, they figured our duplication technique and then our hologram technique, and then they're like, fuck, we got to put something else in there. And then it's just a never ending.

That's really scary, man. I mean, it's like I don't even do anything interesting with my money, like, except like the tip on the road. Like, you know, I use my card and I know that's the argument. is that's traceable. I realize that.

But it's scary because there's an option. You want to just like blow some cash on something you can't. You could, just like no one will know, it's the whatever it is. Right. Not that I would ever use cash for anything other than legal purposes.

It's just like that. You know what I mean?

It's too similar to exactly what it says. You won't be able to trade. You won't be able to do anything unless you have the mark, unless you bear the mark.

We're in now.

Yeah. The mark of the beast. It's like. you can't do anything. You can't sell.

You can't. if you don't take the mark, you're fucked. I mean, that's. that's that. Like if you remove the ability to trade currency in a private way.

Yeah. You now can. you are now controlled. You are now monitored. That's like or.

It also causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark. That is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom. Let the one who has understanding, calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man and his number is 666..

You know what's so wild about that stuff, reading that, is, it's really clear that they spoke differently. Yeah. And also really clear that you're getting a translation from another language. This is the best version of the English translation they could give us.

What was their consciousness? Like, dude, that's some heavy shit. Like, and it's so specific. And when you get to the original, uh, at least I haven't done it for the book of revelations, but the book of John, it's, it becomes even more intense and more like, wait, what, like in the beginning was the word logos, logos. So in the, so you realize, suddenly, like within it is this psychedelic cosmology that in the beginning there was like truth, there was just truth, reality.

And then that truth, like manifested, extruded itself into time-space for a second to, uh, like, talk about like heaven, or to talk about like the real reality outside the simulator, whatever you want to call it. And, and, and, and, uh, this is the best. And it gets translated a lot of different ways. It was something like it was a light and the darkness and the darkness did not understand it. So it's like the truth appears in the darkness.

The darkness is like, I don't, we don't even know what this is. I can't see it. I don't, I don't understand it. And then, and then that was the, like. Jesus is a representation of that, the manifestation of that possibility of like, pure truth appearing in a world of darkness.

And Whoa, dude, that's fucking cool. Regardless of historical truth or whatever, that's just a beautiful and deep, heavy way of talking about, um, parallel universes, or, or, or, or, or, or the possibility of, uh, things happening on a planet where people have gotten completely lost, where suddenly, in the midst of that, something appears that isn't lost. That is like a pure representation of a higher consciousness, or something. Sometimes it likes to talk. It's like when you, uh, it's like sending, like you're putting yourself in one of your Sims in Sim City.

You just go down there and you're like, okay, like, here's what's going on. And then pop back out and then they kill him. That's the best part. It's like the, the, and so the book of John, I just looked this up cause I'm, I'm writing about it. But the book of John is Matthew, Mark, Luke, synoptic gospels.

They have the same stories in the, mostly. John not synoptic and has all this weird shit in it. And not that any of the other stuff isn't weird, but particularly weird stuff in it. And so those three gospels they have within them something that I've always struggled with understanding the logic, which is to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus. Sacrifice the God, child, drink his blood, sins, cleansed.

Whereas book of John, it has less of a focus on that. and or the redemption through the crucifixion and more saying. the crucifixion itself was the ultimate, because it was the like collision between light and darkness, where light, instead of getting aggro, fighting back, just like prayed for the people killing it and died. And like, dude, you're not going to sleep at night. If you're crucifying somebody who's praying for you, who's like looking at you and loves you, not in a fake, bullshit, spiritual way, but loves you and knows, you know, has known you forever and loves you and truly forgives you.

Dude, that fucks the whole game up. It ruins darkness. It's the ultimate atom bomb in the face of power. Yeah. Go ahead and kill me.

Dude, it's really cool. So, uh, well, you know, regardless, that the book of revelations and all of that stuff, I think it, it clearly emanates from an expanded consciousness, if nothing else. Like, do you think there really was a Jesus? Well, I think, you know, I read that controversial book by Reza Aslan about Jesus. Pretty good.

It's called, Oh, geez, Jamie. I'm sorry. I don't know the name of it. I, it's so dumb, man. I can remember what books say, but I can't remember their titles.

But yeah, he says, apparently there are references to zealot and it's controversial. I know some people don't like it, but I enjoyed it. But it says like, apparently there are references to a Jesus, but never described as, um, Messiah, but as a magician who was going around healing people and stuff. So there is some reference to the, the being, but you know, I, like, I, I get so bored with the attempt to find the historic Jesus because I think it really misses the point altogether. Like, I, I think like you get so caught up in, like, trying to like find the grail or whatever, that you lose track of, regardless of the truth of this being walking the earth.

Does it change the substance of, like the parables and their referencing of some realm, a transcendent realm, a possibility outside the suffering of the mundane world, outside of like sucking emperor dicks, so you can get a little bit of power. Actually, there's something in any person's life. Like you can just like wake up and see it. Kingdom of heaven. Gnosis.

So to me, I don't care if just a lot of smart people who are trying to convey an ancient cosmology created like a character to embody that. Cause. I don't think that was to me, that's not the point. I know. for a lot of Christians it is, and I don't mean to offend y'all.

It's just, you know, I, I'm sure any Christian out there, if you're not like wrestling with the Bible anyway, you know, you should wrestle with it. It's meant to train you and get in your head and like grab you and confuse you. And then it's, it's an amazing work. It really is like the New Testament. I mean, I mean all of it.

And when you drink wine, I'm going to be in that wine. Oh my God. That's so sweet. It's so beautiful. And it's like such an invitation for everybody.

Like anyone, you can all eat. I'm in your bread. I'm in like, I'm in what the life force itself, to the point where you can connect with me just through basic, like dietary stuff. I love that. It's beautiful.

Like it's such a great way of fucking up the middleman, the priest class, the hierarchical bullshit. It's like, no, I'm here. I'm completely with you right now. Just you, you gotta reach out. And so these, whoever, whatever, whoever wrote that, I think that's what they were saying is like, were you're kind of in a weird part of the multiverse where it's easy to forget.

There's a lot more going on than what you think is going on there. And it's easy to fall prey to all the tricks of that place, because it's a tricky place that wants you to worship it. And, and, and you don't have to do that. Like that's beautiful. I, so yeah, I don't care who it, I don't care who, whoever wrote it, or the people who wrote it, or the, you know, the hell, whatever the true story is, it's going to be a mystery forever.

But yeah,

That's the oldest version of the biblical stories.

Ancient Hebrew. Oh yeah. I guess you're right. Yeah. Also uncovered was a 6,000 year old skeleton of a partially mummified child and a 10,500 year old basket, which Israeli authorities said could be the oldest in the world.

A CT scan revealed the child's age was between six and 12, with the skin, tendons and even hair partially preserved.

2021.. I don't remember hearing about this. I don't remember hearing about that.

His anger pours out like fire and rocks are shattered because of it. Fuck. I mean, that's nature. Wow.

The Dead, the Desi Scrolls, have a lot of really weird stuff in them.

This is like what the way ancient people used to think of when it rained. They literally think God was coming. And then when those mushrooms would just appear out of the grass, which, you know, mushrooms grow really quickly, you know that. So when people would wake up in the morning and see these mushrooms after the rain and they would eat them and trip their fucking balls off.

Just one hack that makes you live longer. But yeah, man, I think, if you explore the psychedelic universe as a, as an existent place, that is, has its own consciousness, its own mind and is interested in spreading itself into like little bubbles of like, I don't know, parts of the universe that have forgotten about it.

It tries to break through, not just the Jesus, but with any like of what we call a Messiah or prophet or whatever, just some, it's like a leak in the dam, separating us from eternity and paradise. And these leaks appear in the form of people saying these things that run counter to power structures. And almost immediately the leak is sealed or crucified, or whatever. And then the, whatever they were saying, it's co-opted and suddenly a hierarchy appears within the thing. So now you've got a priest class in Christianity.

There's a, there's a entire hierarchical systems of Christianity. And that's fascinating to me because, like the, the thing that my understanding of it is like, you don't really need a priest class. Like you don't need any. you and me, like you, and truth. You get to, you get to hang out together without anybody telling you, actually, that's not the real truth.

Your mind is broken.

The translations. Yeah. And they dress like the Pope. They dress like the Pope.

Now, you gotta watch out. Cause. if that's happening, you could be in a cult. Like if someone's telling that to you, if they're like, we don't even ask that question. Yeah.

That's, you better watch the fuck out. Cause that, once people start doing that, man, yeah. You know, they shut down. Then now they're shutting down. the truth or the joy that comes from turning on the light and the darkness.

You know, like the joy of when someone comes to you confused, truly confused, and you give them, like real data that can change their lives. You know what I mean? Now you're ruining that possibility. Not to mention you're telling people not to trust their rational mind. Like the essence of who they are could be off a little bit.

Watch out, man. People in costumes.

You know, look if cops had to just wear guns and like a badge around their neck with regular clothes.

this is like, once you have gone to university for a certain amount of time, gotten deeply into debt to the banks, you are given a credential, or like a license, right? To practice whatever. the particular thing is that you went to school for. But you, you like, essentially have like given the banks all this fucking money to get a magic star on your certificate where people know, okay, this person is the real deal. And, uh, that that is really like fascinating, man.

That, that, you know, when I go to a doctor, I want to see some fucking certificates on the wall, but I have never in my life going to a doctor,

like, remembered the certificates and gone home and like, did he really go to that university? Never, never.

leasing office space, setting up fake things on the wall.