Garland Testifies, Federal Reserve Preview, UAW Strike Consumer Impact

2023-09-20 00:12:33

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My mic's on now. I'm being silenced. Literally.

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The country's top law enforcement official faces a grilling from Republicans in Congress.

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What will Mayor Garland tell them about the Justice Department investigations into the

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president's son and Donald Trump? I'm Amy Martinez, that's Laila Fadl,

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and this is Up First from NPR News.

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The Federal Reserve meets today. There's a higher bar for raising rates,

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but also a higher bar for cutting rates as well.

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What will the central bank do to interest rates? And the big three automakers reach

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a stalemate with the workers' union, which is now threatening to expand its strike.

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U-S-W! U-S-W! U-S-W! U-S-W!

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So how and when will this action impact car prices?

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Stay with us, we've got the news you need to start your day.

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This morning, House Republicans are preparing tough questions for Attorney General Merrick Garland.

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They want to press him on how the Justice Department handled the investigation into

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Hunter Biden, the president's son, as well as the indictments of former president Donald Trump.

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NPR's Jacqueline Diaz will be watching this hearing before the House Judiciary Committee

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for us, and she's with us now. Good morning, Jacqueline.

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Good morning.

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So Merrick Garland is testifying at a pretty unprecedented time with these indictments.

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What are you expecting?

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So it's pretty standard for the head of the DOJ to come before Congress as part of the

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oversight powers, but Attorney General Garland is going to be in the hot seat.

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Garland has made several efforts to portray his office as independent of the president,

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and that it makes decisions on cases with no interference from Biden or anyone else.

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Still, Republicans have long criticized Garland and the DOJ,

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claiming there's been unequal treatment since Trump, their de facto party leader,

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has been indicted twice on 44 federal charges, and Hunter Biden was recently

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indicted on three gun charges. Now, these are very different cases,

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but they are behind the ramped up attacks on Garland and his agency from Republicans.

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Meanwhile, Democrats say Republicans aren't really looking for facts or truth,

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just a political advantage. And that's the context in which Garland testifies today.

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So what do you expect the Republican-led House committee to focus on?

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Well, the Republicans have made it clear they want to focus on Hunter Biden.

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They've spent months in the House investigating Hunter Biden in an attempt to link wrongdoing

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to his father, President Biden. But so far, there's been no concrete evidence.

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In an interview with the Washington Examiner this week, Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan made

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it clear that a major focus for the committee this morning will be on Hunter Biden and special

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counsels Jack Smith and David Weiss. Smith, of course, is the head prosecutor in the federal

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Trump criminal cases. Weiss is the special counsel in charge of investigating the president's son.

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Hunter Biden has been under federal investigation in Delaware for years now.

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David Weiss, who Trump appointed, has investigated him since 2019. And in August,

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Weiss was made special counsel by Garland. And earlier this month, Biden was indicted

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on felony gun charges. But in the middle of all of this, two IRS agents came forward and accused

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the DOJ of giving Biden's son preferential treatment and slow-walking the investigation

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into him. Jordan has said that Weiss himself will be brought in front of the committee to answer

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some of these questions sometime later this fall. And you said special counsel Jack Smith,

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the man who indicted Trump, will be a topic of interest as well?

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Many Republican lawmakers have long defended former President Trump.

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They've portrayed him as a victim of politics following his indictments this summer for

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attempting to subvert democracy in one case and knowingly withholding classified documents in

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another. And the GOP, along with Trump himself, continue to claim that Jack Smith is using these

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criminal indictments against Trump as a way to attack the former president and to interfere in

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the 2024 election. And really quickly, what do we expect Garland to say?

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Garland is expected to defend the Justice Department. He's not going to directly comment

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on those cases regarding Trump or Hunter Biden. The agency makes a habit of not commenting on

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open investigations. But he will defend the work of his agency amid all of this public scrutiny

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and warn against attacks against public servants like Weiss and Smith.

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And Paris Jaclyn Diaz, thanks.

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Thank you.

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Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell says the central bank is trying to strike a delicate

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balance, raising interest rates high enough to bring down inflation, but not so high as to

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torpedo the economy.

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Yeah, markets are betting that balancing act will prompt Powell and his colleagues to hold

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interest rates steady when they meet today. But investors will be on the lookout for any

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signals about where interest rates are going to be.

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And Pierre Scott Horsley joins us now to discuss this. Hi, Scott.

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Good morning, Leila.

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Good morning. So rates have already gone up a lot in the last year and a half and inflation

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is down. Do Fed officials feel like their work is done?

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Not yet. Inflation has come down a lot since last summer when it topped out at just over 9%,

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but it's still north of 2%, which is the Fed's target. So the question Powell and his colleagues

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are wrestling with is, are interest rates high enough now that inflation will continue to come

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down on its own? Or do they need to push rates even higher and possibly raise the risk of

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recession? For the moment, the Fed is expected to take a breather and leave rates where they are.

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But Michael Pearce, who's with Oxford Economics, thinks they'll pair that with a message that

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rates could go higher in November or December.

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It's a no-brainer for the Fed to remain sounding hawkish this meeting. I mean, they want to keep

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the optionality of additional hikes if they need to.

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Of course, higher interest rates make it more expensive to borrow money for a house or a car

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or just to carry a balance on your credit card. Higher mortgage rates have been a drag on the

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housing market this year. But so far, the overall economy has been handling higher borrowing costs

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pretty well.

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August inflation a little higher than expected. How does that affect the Fed's decision making?

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Yeah, the last cost of living report showed annual inflation in August was 3.7%.

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That's up from 3.2% in July.

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Most of the increase was the result of rising gas prices. And we've seen those oil production

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cuts by Russia and Saudi Arabia push the price of crude oil up to more than $90 a barrel.

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Steven Rusciuto, who's the chief U.S. economist at Mizuho Security,

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says that's probably not going to sway the Fed on its own.

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But if higher transportation costs start to push up other prices, that could be a different story.

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I think they'll look past a political situation that's moving energy prices,

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but pass-through would worry.

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Last month, for example, we did see airfares go up as a result of rising jet fuel prices.

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Most of the other inflation forces the Fed's been watching, though, things like rent and

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service prices are generally moving in the right direction, even if they are taking longer to come

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down than most people would like.

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So does that mean we're going to be living with higher interest rates for a while?

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Possibly.

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Back in June, a lot of Fed policymakers thought they'd be able to start cutting interest rates

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next year. On average, they were predicting that rates would drop maybe by a full percentage point

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in 2024. We will get an updated round of Fed forecast today, and Michael Pearce thinks that

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may show policymakers in more of a holding pattern.

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It feels like there's a higher bar for raising rates, but also a higher bar for cutting rates

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as well. It just feels like the committee's setting themselves up for a prolonged pause

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and just waiting to see where the next few months of data will take us.

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Powell said last month that the Fed is navigating by stars under cloudy skies,

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and you can now add some additional fog to that picture. We've got the UAW strike,

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the looming threat of a government shutdown, the resumption of student loan payments.

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So there's a lot of uncertainty, and you can expect the Fed to proceed with caution.

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NPR's Scott Horsley. Thanks, Scott.

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You're welcome.

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Autoworkers and the big three Detroit automakers seem to be

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stuck at an impasse six days into a historic strike.

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4GM and Chrysler parent company Stellantis are negotiating with the United Autoworkers Union,

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but there's no indication of an imminent deal. And now the UAW is threatening to expand its strike

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unless there's progress in the talk. So what does this mean if you're thinking about buying a new car?

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NPR's Camilla Dominoski joins us now to talk about this. Hi, good morning.

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Good morning, Layla.

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So you talk to car shoppers all the time. Is this something people are worried about?

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It's on people's minds, for sure. Last week, I was reporting on these strikes,

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but I also swung by the Detroit Auto Show and spoke with some people who were there,

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you know, thinking about buying a new car soon. That includes Chris Deneau,

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and he summed up his view on the strikes like this.

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Is it solvable? Absolutely. When will it be solved? I don't know. Am I too worried? Not really.

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On the other hand, there was also Sameer Joshi.

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It's going to drive down the supply of cars. So again, the dealerships are going to,

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you know, gouge people for more money. They'll sell them over MSRP.

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Again.

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Again, yeah.

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Over MSRP. He means sell them over sticker price, like they were doing not too long ago.

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Both those men, for the record, are pretty much right.

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Okay, but how are they both right? One's worried, one isn't.

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Yeah, well, let's start with the case for not worrying. And to be clear, I'm talking about

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as a car shopper here, right? The strike has other economic impacts that we're not talking

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about right now. It's just a numbers game, right? Inventories, that's the vehicles that

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have been built and are ready to be sold. They're at their highest level in two years.

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And the number of plants that are on strike right now, it's just not huge.

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The unionized automakers decades ago, they were like 90% of the car market, right?

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Today, it's a different picture. They're less than 40%.

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And most of their plants are still running. The union strike strategy here has been to start

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small, pick a few plants to strike, and then threaten to expand from there.

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So right now, in terms of vehicles that are directly affected by the strike,

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you're looking at the Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator, GMC Canyon, the Chevy Colorado,

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and you've got the Ford Bronco and Ranger. And that's it, right? Now, it does depend on the

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vehicle, whether that's going to have an impact on supply in the near term. Right now, there are a

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lot of Jeep Wranglers on lots. There are not a lot of Broncos out there. I feel like there's probably

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a cowboy joke in there, if I can make it work. But in general, this is not about to cause a

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shortage of cars across America. Okay. So that's the case for not worrying.

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What's the case for worrying? So it's about looking ahead, right? The union has threatened

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to put more plants on strike this Friday. More plants could shut down because of ripple effects.

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And if it lasts a really long time, we might see sales go away. Not a lot of discounts this holiday

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season. This could affect used cars too, maybe. It will be slow if that happens. But car prices

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are already so high, some people are worried. NPR's Camilla Dominoski, who will be back with

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her cowboy joke, maybe. Thanks so much. Thanks, Layla.

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And that's Up First for Wednesday, September 20th. I'm Layla Falden.

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