Zelenskyy Sacks Defense Minister, Putin Meets Erdogan, Americans Celebrate Labor Day

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is shaking up the top ranks of his government.

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He says it's time for a new approach and a new leader of Ukraine's defense ministry.

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What's this mean for the ongoing counteroffensive against Russia?

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I'm Daniel Estrin, that's Laila Fadil, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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Russian leader Vladimir Putin will meet with his Turkish counterpart today.

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Could the meeting revive a vital deal that allows Ukraine to export its grain to the

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world?

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And workers in the U.S. are celebrating this Labor Day with a day off, and Americans say

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unions are stronger today than they were five years ago.

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It's been a long time since this country has seen workers united like this.

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A long time.

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So stay with us.

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We'll give you the news you need to start your day.

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Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has sacked the country's defense minister.

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The move comes after corruption scandals involving military contractors.

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It also comes near the end of a grinding and costly summer counteroffensive that so far

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has failed to bring major victories against Russia.

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NPR's Brian Mann is following developments in Kyiv and joins us now.

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Hi, Brian.

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Hey, good morning.

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Good morning.

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So this is being called the biggest shakeup in Kyiv since the Russia invasion.

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Why this shakeup now?

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You know, lately in making this announcement, Zelensky wasn't specific about the timing,

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but he said change is needed.

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He says there the current defense minister, Alexei Reznikov, served during the first 550

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days of this war.

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Then Zelensky says, I believe the ministry needs new approaches and other forms of interaction

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with the military and society at large.

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So clearly acknowledging some of that public dissatisfaction.

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So new approaches.

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Let's talk about these corruption scandals.

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What were they?

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There've been two big scandals here.

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Journalists and government investigators found numerous cases where military contractors

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were inflating the prices of food procured for the military, often charging two to three

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times the market price for basics like eggs and cabbages.

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And there's been evidence some defense ministry officials were involved in that scheme.

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The government's also investigating a large number of cases where men allegedly paid bribes

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to avoid military service.

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Zelensky didn't blame Reznikov for those scandals, but he did make this announcement right after

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talking about the need for Ukraine to keep cleaning up corruption and implementing better

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policies to root out crooked officials.

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And who will replace Reznikov?

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Well, this is interesting.

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Zelensky tapped a guy named Rustem Umarov.

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He's a member of parliament.

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He's also a Muslim Ukrainian, an ethnic Tatar with deep roots in Crimea.

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That's one of the regions occupied by Russia since 2014.

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Umarov's been involved in international negotiations surrounding the treatment of Tatars and Ukrainians

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living in occupied territories for years.

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Some of those talks apparently involved back-channel negotiations with Russians.

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He also took part in failed peace talks that happened right after Russia's full-scale invasion

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of Ukraine last year.

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I should say this appointment needs approval by Ukraine's parliament, but that's expected

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to be a formality.

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Very interesting.

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It may really signal a new approach here.

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As we mentioned, this change also comes near the end of the summer's big counteroffensive.

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Ukraine hoped to score big gains pushing Russia back out of occupied lands in the East and

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South.

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But as we've mentioned, progress has been slow.

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Did that play into this decision?

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Yeah, you know, everything here does ultimately come back to what's happening on the battlefield.

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Zelensky's been doing a lot of cheerleading lately, telling Ukrainians their army is gaining

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ground, promising that these sacrifices will pay off.

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But there's anxiety over the pace of the war and the huge loss of Ukrainian lives.

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I spoke late yesterday with Oleksandr Shtupun, a spokesman for the Unified Military Command,

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where most of the heavy fighting is happening.

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He said Ukraine is gaining ground, but slowly and at a steep price.

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This isn't going to be an easy walk for our soldiers, Shtupun said.

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The enemy's defensive structures are quite dense and a large amount of ammunition is

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needed to destroy them.

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So this is what Yumarov's going to face when he takes over, a situation where progress

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is really slow.

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And we are close now to the autumn rains that are going to turn this battlefield to mud,

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which means the chances for breakthroughs going forward will be even harder.

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NPR's Brian Mann with us from Kyiv.

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Thanks, Brian.

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Thank you.

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Global grain supplies are at stake in a meeting today between the leaders of Russia and Turkey.

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Yeah, Ukraine is among the world's top producers, but it faces Russia's invasion and a de facto

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sea blockade.

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For about a year, grain and fertilizer shipments were allowed to continue in a deal mediated

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by Turkey and the United Nations.

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In July, Russia canceled the deal, and now they're back at the table.

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NPR's Peter Kenyon joins us from Istanbul to discuss this.

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Hi, Peter.

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Hello.

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So why does Turkey play such an important role in this?

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Well, there's a few reasons.

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Geographically, Turkey has long seen itself as a regional power, one that follows its

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own path.

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For instance, Turkey never joined the international sanctions against Russia after it invaded

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Ukraine.

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Turkey continues with relatively good ties to Moscow.

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Its continued trade and other contacts, the Russian tourists are back in droves here.

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In addition, Turkey's president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has long sought to portray Turkey

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as a regional mediator.

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He took some credit for the agreement reached last year, the one Moscow pulled out of in

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July.

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So as things stand, Turkey remains a loyal, if sometimes difficult, NATO ally, supporting

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a UN plan to ease this crisis, while at the same time maintaining ties with Russia.

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I think the big question is, what's possible here?

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What does it seem like Russia wants, and what can Turkey and the West offer?

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Yes, Moscow has been quite clear about what it sees as the problematic implementation

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of this grain deal.

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Russia had high expectations that the deal would provide a big boost to its own agricultural

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and other exports, which had been curtailed by sanctions.

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But Russian officials have complained that even under the deal, sanctions against Russia

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engaging in certain financial transactions, other restrictions, like shipping, insurance,

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things like that, they've continued.

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Some people point out that Russian exports are, in fact, quite a bit higher than they

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were when the deal kicked in, but that doesn't seem to be good enough for Russia.

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Now we know this grain is vital for global food supplies.

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So what happens if it and other commodities don't get moving again?

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Well, this grain deal has been a big benefit, not just to Ukrainian grain farmers, but also

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to countries in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia.

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The United Nations has called it a major success in reducing the spike in prices we saw at

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the beginning of the war.

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So should this deal somehow collapse, should Russia resume a tougher blockade of Ukrainian

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cargo ships in the Black Sea, experts say the prospect of food shortages in those regions

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would increase significantly.

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And then beyond that, some wonder, if this grain deal breaks down, what else could that

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trigger?

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A push for more sanctions against Moscow?

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Could Russia double down on its drive to occupy Ukraine, or part of it?

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In that light, some analysts say a credible move to increase Russian exports beyond where

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they stand now could be seen as a sensible course of action.

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Others, of course, warn against appeasing Moscow.

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So we'll have to see how that plays out.

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So a lot at stake today, and a lot at stake for people who need these food supplies.

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That's NPR's Peter Kenyon in Istanbul.

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Thank you so much for your reporting.

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Thanks Leila.

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On this Labor Day, organized labor is on the move.

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Walking picket lines in Hollywood, signing up new members, and in some cases celebrating

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wins at the bargaining table.

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Polls show public support for unions is close to its highest level in more than half a century.

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Organized labor still faces big obstacles, though, and for people who do not belong to

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a union, their bargaining power depends in large part on the overall health of the job

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market.

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We're going to spend a few minutes this morning talking about the state of labor with NPR's

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Andrea Hsu.

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Good morning, Andrea.

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Good morning, Leila.

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So during the pandemic, a lot of workers became newly interested in forming a union, and we've

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seen high-profile efforts to organize workers at Starbucks cafes, Amazon warehouses.

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So what's been the result?

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Well, there has been a lot of organizing activity, but with mixed results.

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Workers petitioned for more than 2,500 union elections last year, the highest level in

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seven years, and it has slowed down a little bit this year.

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But last year, less than half of the union elections ended up in wins for the unions,

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and even fewer resulted in collective bargaining agreements, a union contract.

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And you know, Leila, unionizing efforts at Starbucks first got underway two years ago.

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Since then, more than 300 stores have unionized, but not one of them has a contract, and I

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think that is one reason.

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We have seen some slowdown in new organizing at Starbucks because baristas just aren't

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seeing that there's been much gain for all their efforts.

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And meanwhile, they have seen the lengths that the company has gone to to dissuade people

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from unionizing.

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We've seen baristas fired, stores have been closed, and while this is illegal, the penalties

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are so minimal, they don't seem to be a deterrent.

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So a big risk and not much of a reward, it sounds like, so far.

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A lot of roadblocks for those trying to form new unions.

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Yeah.

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What explains this continued enthusiasm?

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Well, public perception of unions has shifted a lot in the last few years.

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Not only are unions popular again, but a new Gallup poll found 34% of respondents believe

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unions are getting more powerful.

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And that's a huge jump from just five years ago, when only 19% thought unions were gaining

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strength.

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And you can kind of see what's behind this shift.

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This summer alone, pilots won big raises.

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UPS drivers got what the Teamsters calls the most lucrative contract in UPS history.

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And of course, the Biden administration is happy about this.

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Workers are gaining not only historic raises, but also big quality of life improvements.

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Here's Acting Labor Secretary Julie Hsu.

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I think that is continuing to inspire, you know, what people have called like a hot labor

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summer, right?

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You know, workers standing up.

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And the more we see that, I think the more we will see the benefits of real worker power.

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We should point out, though, that now is the perfect time for unions to be putting up big

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demands as these companies have been enjoying record profits.

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Unions have been feeling good about their wins, but how long their leverage lasts is

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unclear.

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The vast majority of workers in this country actually don't belong to a union.

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So what kind of leverage do non-union workers have?

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Yeah, nine out of 10 workers in this country don't belong to unions.

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But the thing that workers all over the country have going for them right now is the strong

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job market.

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Unemployment did rise a little bit last month, but it's still very low.

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Employers are still adding jobs, 187,000 jobs in August.

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And competition for workers has pushed up wages, especially for low-wage workers.

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And all of that's good.

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But, Layla, it's proving to be not really any match for the power of collective bargaining.

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The Treasury Department issued a report last week that found, on average, unionized workers

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earn 10 to 15 percent more than workers who aren't part of a union.

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And they have better benefits.

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And, of course, as industries are undergoing so much change, workers who are unionized

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are more likely to have a say in how those changes are made.

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So whether it's the transition to electric vehicles or the adoption of AI, you know,

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these are all things being discussed in union negotiations going on right now.

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And by the way, that same Gallup poll I mentioned found broad support for the union workers

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in these negotiations.

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And PR's Andrea Hsu.

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Thanks, Andrea.

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You're welcome.

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Torrential rains put a serious damper on the Burning Man festival this year.

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Tens of thousands of revelers are stranded in the Nevada desert after heavy rainfall

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turned the annual week-long arts and countercultural event into a mud fest.

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Authorities are also confirming one death, which is under investigation.

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It's Daniel Vandenberg's second Burning Man, and he says unexpected weather is just part

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of the experience.

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I was here for the crazy heat, and now I'm here for the crazy rain, wind and mud.

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Vandenberg, who's from Los Angeles, compared the wet soil in the Nevada desert to mixing

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concrete.

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It starts to get wet, and it just gets sticky.

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It's a really unique experience.

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It sticks to your shoes.

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It sticks to your feet.

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It's very difficult to get off.

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You can't ride a bike on it.

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You can't really drive on it.

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Just whatever it touches, it sticks on.

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The festival grounds were hit by over half an inch of rain on Friday night.

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Organizers closed access into and out of the temporary site for the remainder of the event,

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which officially ends today.

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Twenty-nine-year-old Mimi Doe from Los Angeles was pitching in by frying up some bacon.

2Speaker 2
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Seeing everybody kind of like doing something, I was like, well, I'm not going to be in my

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tent all day and just like, you know, mope around.

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So I decided to just like, yeah, make some food.

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It really encouraged me to like, you know what, like, let's be a part of this and help

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everyone out.

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And even though her first Burning Man didn't exactly turn out as she hoped, Doe is certain

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that she will be back.

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It's the third Burning Man for Denver resident Gordon Graham.

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He agrees the festival's sense of community sets it apart.

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I was not alerted of the rain.

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That was not in the brochure.

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But helping out your neighbors and being here for everybody, that was in the brochure.

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We know that.

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And I think everyone's really able to do that and excited to do that.

1Speaker 1
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Fifty-two-year-old Zaki Rubinstein said being stuck in the desert will make her grateful

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for the little things.

2Speaker 2
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Well, I'm really, really going to appreciate bathrooms and mine in particular.

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You know, when you live without them, you realize, oh, modern plumbing.

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That is a marvel.

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Yeah, this is why I don't camp.

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With more rain and thunderstorms drenching the festival area yesterday, organizers have

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asked attendees to conserve water and food and shelter in place for now.

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But there is one sliver of good news.

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A social media account associated with the Burning Man project's website says the traditional

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climax of the festival, the burning of a giant man-like structure, will happen tonight.

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And that's Up First for Monday, September 4th, Labor Day.

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