Julia Fox: Kanye West, Dominatrix, & Uncut Gems (FBF) [VIDEO]

2024-03-22 01:00:01

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1Speaker 1
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What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper. We call her Daddy.

2Speaker 2
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Julia Fox, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

1Speaker 1
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Thank you for having me.

2Speaker 2
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How was your weekend?

1Speaker 1
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My weekend was pretty,

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well, it's like when I'm not traveling, I have just like more work to do at home. So it's like never, it's just like always constantly work, work, work.

2Speaker 2
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So when you're in New York, you're kind of like almost on work mode and then you're trying to travel.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, and mommy mode, like full time.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah, congratulations. Thank you. So incredible. Thank you. So.

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you were just working. Although I think I did see on a little site that you were at Paul's baby.

1Speaker 1
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like my sister's birthday.

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So, shout out, Richie. And we went to Emilio's and then we went to Paul's baby, which is funny. Like I haven't been there in like literally 10 years, or something. I used to go all the time. It's like my neighborhood club.

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And it was funny. Like I walked in and like the DJ started playing, like Kanye West. And like all these, like really excited white boys were like rapping all the lyrics, like really passionately. And it was like a real experience. It was cool.

2Speaker 2
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Probably a different experience than the last time you were there. And then now you're there and everyone's like singing a song in your face. Yeah. And you're like, okay, everybody calm down. I know.

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White boys relax.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, it was amazing though.

2Speaker 2
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What is a normal day for you? Like? I want to know like you woke up today. Like what did you do? Like what is your daily routine?

1Speaker 1
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I mean, I immediately like just tend to my son. So it's like brush teeth, breakfast, bath, play. Then after a couple hours, I'll put him down for a nap. And that's when, like my day begins. So then it's like, okay, then I'll shower and like brush my teeth and answer my emails and like just pretty much get to work.

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Love it. But other than that, it's like my son is always like my number one. Like, and everything's always kind of just built around his schedule. That's kind of when I can focus on myself.

2Speaker 2
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Your birthday is on Wednesday. Yeah. Happy early birthday. Thank you. What are your birthday plans?

1Speaker 1
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I think we're going to go to Lucien. Yeah. Because I've grown up. I grew up with Zach, who's Lucien's son. R-I-P Lucien.

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And yeah, I had my son's birthday there. It's just like easy.

2Speaker 2
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Is it going to be a big party?

1Speaker 1
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I think so.

2Speaker 2
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Have you picked out your outfit?

1Speaker 1
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No. We're not there yet.

2Speaker 2
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I don't know.

1Speaker 1
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Maybe my stylist have something, have been working on something, but I don't know. I haven't seen it yet.

2Speaker 2
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Well, you've been like iconic recently in the fashion game. Who are you loving as a designer right now?

1Speaker 1
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Besides Kanye.

2Speaker 2
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I mean, you can say Kanye. I respect it.

1Speaker 1
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I mean, I love Daniel at Schiaparelli a lot. Glenn Martin's at Diesel and JPG, which I also love.

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I love Wang as well. Vivienne Westwood.

2Speaker 2
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So you're not planning your outfits too far in advance? No. Julia, it's Monday. You have no birthday outfit?

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, no. But everything's kind of like that with me.

2Speaker 2
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Okay.

1Speaker 1
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So you're kind of just like a fly-by-the-earpants gal. Yes. You just go with it. Everything's last minute, and we're just kind of winging it and pulling it together. Even that eyeliner moment, we just decided, let's try it and see if it looks – you know what I mean?

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It wasn't planned out. Everything's just –.

2Speaker 2
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How did you feel about that? That everyone was like, whoa, what the fuck is happening?

1Speaker 1
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People hated it. I loved it. I just wanted it more bigger, smudgier. I don't know. I just feel like I'm so over seeing the perfect contouring and the perfect lashes.

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It's like I want to be real. I want to just be more real, and I don't want to be perfect. I don't need everyone to like me. I'm not here for that.

2Speaker 2
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I feel like it was such a bold choice, and, even though people were shitting on it, everyone was talking about it.

1Speaker 1
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Chanel did their eye makeup similarly in that way, and then I saw it in other places as well. It's like, that's fucking cool.

2Speaker 2
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Was everyone around you hyping you up, and then it was just the internet shitting on you? Everyone was like, oh my God, it looks so good in person.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah. In person, everyone was gagging and loved it. Then, on the internet, obviously people hated it, but it's like that's when you know you did something good, when everyone shits on it.

2Speaker 2
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No, dude. I didn't want to – Because it's different. Yes. I've done that semi before, but not as exaggerated. I got so much shit on my picture, and I was kind of like, fuck off.

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I was trying something different.

1Speaker 1
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Let me live. I know.

2Speaker 2
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People are so fucking rude on the internet.

1Speaker 1
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Okay. I didn't know how bad it was.

2Speaker 2
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Until recently. Yeah. Now, do you read the comments?

1Speaker 1
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Sometimes. Very rare. I don't Google anything. I don't read the headlines. I never see anything, but occasionally, obviously, I do see it.

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It's impossible not to. I just laugh. It doesn't really affect me. I don't care.

2Speaker 2
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Are there any ones that do affect you?

1Speaker 1
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If someone says something about my kid, I'll block them. Love. Yeah. That fucking lot. Yeah.

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Other than that, not really. I don't care.

2Speaker 2
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I love New York. I used to live here. I moved to LA, so I miss it, and I'm so happy when I'm back. What neighborhood makes you feel most at home?

1Speaker 1
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I would have to say the East Village, just because I probably spent the most years cumulatively there, and I went to high school there, and just downtown in general, but I also have a lot of PTSD from the East Village as well. You know what I mean?

2Speaker 2
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Because it's the most-.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah. Every block, I'm like, oh, that happened there. Oh, you got in a fight here. Whatever. Everything's a reminder of high school.

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It's the worst time ever.

2Speaker 2
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My first apartment was in Lower East Side, and I feel the same way. I'll see a street and be like, don't look. That's the street I vomited on. Fuck. But it's also kind of like- Okay, so East Village is your place.

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Definitely. I saw this TikTok, and I was dying for it, so someone was like, okay, we're going to play marry, fuck, kill, but with New York neighborhoods. And I can go first, because I was like, okay, this is actually funny. I feel like I would kill Murray Hill.

1Speaker 1
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Oh, definitely.

2Speaker 2
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Okay, okay. Yeah. Okay, then I would fuck West Village, maybe, and then marry Tribeca.

1Speaker 1
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Okay, yeah, that's pretty accurate. I would either marry Upper East Side or Tribeca.

2Speaker 2
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Love.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah.

2Speaker 2
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Who would you kill?

1Speaker 1
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I mean, Murray Hill was pretty spot on, because you know you lived here. Yeah, so you get it. Like, yeah, it's like, I know there's like a theater there, like a movie theater. Like, what's going on? And then that's it.

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Like, I'm not really sure. Yeah, like, honestly, probably that, or like,

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yeah, that's probably Murray Hill.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah, Murray Hill dies every night.

1Speaker 1
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Because every other neighborhood has something redeemable. That's like, it's Manhattan, it's New York, you know, like-.

2Speaker 2
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Totally. And then Murray Hill, you're like-.

1Speaker 1
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Like, literally the movie theater. I don't know.

2Speaker 2
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I agree. How do you think growing up in New York City affected how quickly you matured?

1Speaker 1
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Well, I think it definitely affected how quickly I matured, because at a very young age, I was exposed to a lot of adult situations. Just leaving the house, you know what I mean? You just are going to see it. So I think, like, the exposure, and then also not really being monitored properly, and then kind of just being curious, and also kind of fearless, and just wanting to see the world, and wanting to go have experiences, and go live my life.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah, because, so your parents were divorced, and you were-.

1Speaker 1
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No, they're actually still married.

2Speaker 2
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But your dad lived in New York?

1Speaker 1
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But they don't, they've never lived in the same country. So it's like a weird, like, I don't know, my mom's Italian, she's like, doesn't really like America, like, she likes Italy, and like, wants to stay there. And my dad, like, just didn't, I don't know, it, just didn't really work out.

2Speaker 2
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So you weren't, you didn't have, like, how would you describe, did you have any supervision, growing up, really, in New York?

1Speaker 1
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No.

2Speaker 2
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Just a flat. no, you're like, absolutely not.

1Speaker 1
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And so, he tried, like, my dad, like, there were times, like, when it would be, like, really getting out of control, where he would try, like, I remember one time, but like, but that's the thing, it's like, when you grow up with, like, just your dad, it's like, such a different home environment. Like, I remember one time, he literally slept in the chair, like, one of those recliner chairs in front of the front door, so that I wouldn't leave. And I just climbed out my window. I lived on the second floor, and we had a fire escape. So I just climbed out the fire escape.

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And then, at, like, 10 a.

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m.

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, I, like, came knocking. It wasn't 10 a.m., because he was still sleeping in the chair as I'm knocking. It was probably, like, 7 a.m. or something. And I'm knocking, and he, like, woke up, and he was actually more impressed and, like, laughing, like, thought, it was funny that I still found what, you know.

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He was like, how did you do it? How did you do it? And I was just like, I have my ways. Like, don't ask. Like, you know.

2Speaker 2
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So, like, grounding you would never work. No.

1Speaker 1
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No. Like, the most, maybe they would do is, like, take my phone away. Got it. But then it's like, I don't care. Right.

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I'll just go out. Yeah, then you won't be able to reach me even more. So, like, you know.

2Speaker 2
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How old were you when you first went clubbing?

1Speaker 1
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Like, proper clubbing, maybe, like, 14 or something like that.

2Speaker 2
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So good. How did you get an I.D.?

1Speaker 1
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Oh, my God. We literally, my friend, Alex, she, like, printed them, like, herself, like, laminated. Like, it was so, like, they were so bad. Like, that was actually my first fake I.D. But then, obviously, we ended up figuring it out.

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But, and we would just use that. And, like, they were so clearly fake. But I think it's, like, you see, like, slutty. Like, picture the girl, like, the two girls in the movie 13.. Like, you get, like, that vibe.

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And it's, like, you're going to let them in.

2Speaker 2
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The hot underage. No bouncer gives a fuck.

1Speaker 1
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No, like, I had braces. And they were letting me in, girl.

2Speaker 2
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Like, go ahead, sweetie. You definitely look 27.. Yeah. Fuck you. Yeah.

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When did you first experiment with drugs?

1Speaker 1
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Um.

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Probably in, like, middle school. Like, sixth or seventh grade.

2Speaker 2
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Was it just because you found them through, like, friends?

1Speaker 1
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Um. I think the first drug that I ever tried was weed. And it was actually my friend's mom who had it. And it was, like, very casual in their household to just smoke weed together and pass it around. And then that's kind of where I started smoking weed.

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Like, a lot. Like, every day. That was, like, seventh grade.

2Speaker 2
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Do you still smoke weed?

1Speaker 1
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Yeah. Love it.

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Love it.

2Speaker 2
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Did you ever get in trouble with, like, the law growing up?

1Speaker 1
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Definitely. Oh, tell us. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So much.

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I was actually on probation for, like, three years. And that, really, like, saved my life in a way. Because for the first time, it was, like, I'm grounded. Do you know what I mean? And I remember my first drug test on probation came back, positive for marijuana.

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And it was, like, this big thing about, like, am I going to go to prison for a year? Like, what is my probation officer going to do? And then she, just, like, gave me some drug, really intense drug program that I needed to do. And that was it. But it was, like, you know, a lot of situations like that where, like, it was, like, by miracle, that, like, it didn't end up worse for me.

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But I really honestly credit, like, Ms. Cortez, my probation officer. Because, you know, like, she really made sure that I, you know. And she even said she was, like, I know your type. She was, like, I know you're manipulative and I know you're a liar.

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Yeah. And I was so sweet and cute and blah, blah. And she could see right through me. Yeah. And that was really, like, difficult.

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I mean, that was, it was, like, oh, fuck. Okay. I'm really going to have to do this now. Because now it's like your dad. Yeah.

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It's not someone I can bullshit.

2Speaker 2
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When you say you were, like, manipulating and lying, like, was it mostly to adults?

1Speaker 1
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Yeah. Any authority figure. Right. Not to my friends or anything. Just, like, any type of authoritative situation.

2Speaker 2
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What were you on probation for?

1Speaker 1
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That time, that was, like, credit card stuff. And it was grand larceny and a bunch of other type. It was a bunch of, just a bunch of really big things. And we were, like, indicted. And me and my best friend, who is actually one of my stylists now.

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And we, she was my co-defendant. And we, like, had to go to, like, I think it was, like, the Supreme Court. I honestly can't even remember. Because I would literally show up, like, high on ecstasy from the night before. And sometimes miss court, too.

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And not show up at all. Like, it was, like, that was the type of shit I was on. Like, I really didn't care what happened to me. And I didn't care about my future.

2Speaker 2
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When was the first time you got in trouble with the law?

1Speaker 1
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Like, the first time, probably, like, in middle school. Like, running away from home. Getting picked up. Like, stuff like that. Like, nothing, really, like, serious.

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Like, maybe, like, we're at a party. They're kicking us out. Like, little things like that. The first time I was arrested, arrested. I think I was, like, stealing from, like, it might have been, like, Bloomingdale's.

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Like, I know I got arrested stealing at Bloomingdale's. But it might have been somewhere else. But I'm pretty sure it was Bloomingdale's. This time.

2Speaker 2
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So then, when you were indicted, that was, like, kind of the catastrophe?

1Speaker 1
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Well, it was amazing, though, because then, years later, I ended up doing a campaign for Bloomingdale's. And as I come in, they're, like, come and check in through the side entrance. And they wanted my ID. And I was, like, oh, my God. They're going to search in the system that I'm banned here.

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Because the actual campaign was in the store. And it was so funny. But it was, like, really full circle, you know?

2Speaker 2
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You're, like, now I'm giving back. Yeah.

1Speaker 1
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I'm paying my dues. Okay, fuck off. Wow.

2Speaker 2
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So you ended up getting in. You were fine.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, no, I was fine. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
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So when did you start supporting yourself financially and why?

1Speaker 1
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Like, as a teenager. Like, pretty young. I remember, like, always wanting to work. Like, I remember being, like, 16 and getting the right paperwork so that I could, like, work at a store. Or, like, I always wanted to work.

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But, you know, I wasn't enough money to, like, support myself, like, independent. Like, I wanted to be independent.

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And then I was kind of forced into a situation that I can't really go too deep in. But I, like, was forced to be independent. And it was, like, fuck, like, well, you know, I can't work at the pastry shop forever. You know what I mean? Like, that's not going to cut it.

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Like, I'm going to need more money. So I just went on Craigslist and I went on the adult section. And everything was, like, sex. You know, like, you know, that type of vibe. Like, be my slutty secretary.

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Like, that type. And I was, like, like, I don't know if I can do that. Like, you know, I was still, like, a kid. I wasn't comfortable, like, to have sex with a stranger. Like, I wasn't even comfortable to have sex with someone that I knew.

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So I saw an ad and it was, like, no sex, no nudity, and can make up to a thousand-something dollars a day or something. Like, it would have a huge number to me. I was, like, that was the most money I've ever heard in my life. So, obviously, I just, I went. And I met up with this, like, really, like, kind of insane-looking white guy with this, like, long black trench coat.

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And he had me, like, write, like, a sadistic, like, BDSM fantasy. And just, like, off the top, like, write it. And I did. And he loved it. And he hired me on the spot.

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And then, obviously, I roped him in my, like, BFF to come with me. Because I was, like, I can't do this alone.

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And that was the end of that. And I was just naturally very good at it. Yeah. And then, working there, I feel like it was really good for my self-esteem. I think I went in there, like, really not unsure of myself.

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Like, not really confident in who I was. And I definitely left, like, knowing my worth.

2Speaker 2
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When you say you were dominatrix, I think so many people are, like, actually don't even know what that means. Can you describe, for someone that may not understand that? Like, what is a dominatrix?

1Speaker 1
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Yeah. So, it's, like, you know, similar to a stripper. There's an establishment. And it's called a dungeon. And there's a few in Manhattan and in other parts of New York as well.

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And it's legal. And the specific dungeon that I worked at was, like, you would go downstairs. It's a basement. And there would be, like, all these different rooms. And there was a medical room.

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There was, for, like, you know, nurse type of doctor fantasy. There was, like, a torture room.

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Like, another type of chamber. Like, all these. Like, a cross-dressing room. A teaching room. Like, a school room.

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Like, just for any type of fantasy. And then, like, it's really like role-playing. It's like acting. It's role-playing. And then, that's kind of how I would describe it.

00:18:05.42 – 00:18:18.26

Like, when people were, like, where did you get your start in acting? I said, well, it's really, like, at the dungeon. Because I would have to improv, like, multiple times a day on very short notice. Like, someone comes in. They look at all the books of all the girls.

00:18:18.34 – 00:18:27.52

They might want to meet you in person. And then, that's it. You have five minutes to get ready. And they just kind of tell you really quickly what they're into. And that's it.

00:18:27.56 – 00:18:34.08

Then you figure it out. And you have to wing it. So, you know, like, doing that, that's, like, really good training. if you do that all the time. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:18:34.40 – 00:18:36.36

You've got to be, like, on your shit. Like, you've got to have some confidence.

1Speaker 1
00:18:36.36 – 00:18:37.96

You have to be on your shit. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:18:38.20 – 00:18:40.30

And to clarify for everyone, you're not having sex with these people.

1Speaker 1
00:18:40.44 – 00:18:42.18

No. Okay. No, no, no. Never.

2Speaker 2
00:18:42.26 – 00:18:43.62

Because I feel like that's a misconception.

1Speaker 1
00:18:43.88 – 00:18:51.76

People, just, like, think that. Yeah. Well, I mean, listen. It's not unheard of. Like, there would be rumors of some girls that we would hear of.

00:18:52.94 – 00:19:18.54

But that's, like, I feel like in the dominatrix world, like, I mean, you know, you need to remain in control. And I feel like the moment that you have sex with what they're called slaves in the BDSM community. Like, the moment you have sex with them, you're kind of putting them on your level in a way. And, like, they need to know that they will never be worthy to have that. Like, the pussy, they'll never be good enough for the pussy.

00:19:19.20 – 00:19:28.04

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And, like, they could kiss my feet. I could smother them, maybe sit on their face, like, with my panties. But they'll never, ever be good enough for my vagina.

00:19:28.58 – 00:19:30.54

And, like, that's very important, you know.

2Speaker 2
00:19:30.70 – 00:19:31.58

Right. To keep the boundary.

1Speaker 1
00:19:31.88 – 00:19:32.20

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:19:32.92 – 00:19:40.36

So, what types of fantasies did you, like, were you, like, okay? Like, you liked. And were some of them that you were like, I don't fuck with that. Like, I don't like it as much.

1Speaker 1
00:19:40.38 – 00:19:42.04

I honestly liked all of them.

2Speaker 2
00:19:42.26 – 00:19:42.84

What was your favorite?

1Speaker 1
00:19:44.12 – 00:19:44.44

Um.

00:19:46.72 – 00:20:01.20

What was my favorite? God, there were so many. But it was actually amazing because through doing this just for money. Yeah. I ended up kind of learning about my own sexuality, which I never really had a chance to explore.

00:20:01.32 – 00:20:20.18

Because my sexuality was always kind of being used against me. Or, like, do you know what I mean? Or, just, I was, my sexuality was something to be guarded and protected, not something to be, like, explored. Right. So, in this very controlled environment, I was also able to explore my own.

00:20:20.34 – 00:20:28.64

Because there'd be times in a session where I'd be like, oh, damn. Like, this is actually, like, horny as fuck. Right. Like, this is hot, you know. So, it does happen, you know.

2Speaker 2
00:20:28.78 – 00:20:30.22

Which one do you think you're the best at?

1Speaker 1
00:20:30.98 – 00:20:34.16

I mean, just, like, body worshiping. Like, stuff.

2Speaker 2
00:20:34.32 – 00:20:34.62

What is that like?

1Speaker 1
00:20:34.64 – 00:20:41.80

Stuff like that. Just, like, kiss my boots, kiss my legs. Like, that type of stuff. Like, peace and denial.

2Speaker 2
00:20:41.80 – 00:20:45.16

And you, just, like, you, just talk dirty to them the whole time.

1Speaker 1
00:20:45.16 – 00:20:52.10

Yeah, it's definitely a lot of verbal communication. It's very mental, this type of line of work, you know.

2Speaker 2
00:20:52.40 – 00:21:03.54

That is really interesting. to think about, exploring your sexuality in such, like, a open way. In, like, where it's so accepted, probably, there, obviously. Like, everyone, is, like, being very vulnerable.

1Speaker 1
00:21:03.56 – 00:21:11.46

And everyone's a freak. Yeah. And we know it. So, it's like, I won't judge you, you won't judge me. And, you know, it's okay.

2Speaker 2
00:21:11.74 – 00:21:13.28

Can anyone go there?

1Speaker 1
00:21:13.42 – 00:21:19.74

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, anyone can just show up and go. And I honestly recommend that you do. It's really not that expensive.

00:21:19.92 – 00:21:23.06

It's, like, I think, like, $250 an hour or something.

00:21:24.90 – 00:21:26.32

And remember to tip.

2Speaker 2
00:21:26.70 – 00:21:27.02

Yeah.

1Speaker 1
00:21:27.62 – 00:21:29.44

Because they take most of that.

2Speaker 2
00:21:29.78 – 00:21:35.12

25 or 30 percent, bitches. What was your wardrobe like? Was it fire? Like, what were you on?

1Speaker 1
00:21:35.12 – 00:21:46.02

Yes. Oh, my God. That's why it's, like, now everyone sees me, like, wearing latex and, like, PVC and all that shit. But it's, like, dude, I've literally, like, I grew up in this shit. Like, I came out the womb in the fucking latex.

00:21:46.02 – 00:21:54.48

Like, actually. Yeah, no, the fucking, the fits were insane. Like, patent leather boots. Like, hot thigh, hot. You know what I mean?

00:21:54.54 – 00:22:04.74

And all, and most of them were gifts from clients. Oh, shit. Yeah, like, we would really finesse, like, the $400 latex. You know, like, the fucking, the really good shit.

2Speaker 2
00:22:04.74 – 00:22:09.48

What is your advice to anyone interested in working at the Dominatrix?

1Speaker 1
00:22:11.46 – 00:22:43.10

I really feel like the, from the time that I spent there, which was a few years on and off, I would say, like, the most successful doms that I saw, they genuinely also were interested in what they were doing. Got it. Like, for me, like, I, I remember even being little and my dad used to, like, make me have playdates with, like, the kids in my class who were, like, like, maybe not as popular or something. Like, he would just do that. And it was fine.

00:22:43.14 – 00:23:07.76

Like, I didn't care. But, like, I would, like, hang out with these, like, little boys and, like, boss them around and, like, make them, like, crawl around on their knees. And, like, I would, like, get on their back and, like, ride them. Like, and I was, like, and as I was working in the dungeon and, and men would ask me to do things, I'd be, like, oh, my God. Like, this is totally, like, like, I'm sure the kids that I did that to, they probably, like, fantasize, like, have these similar fantasies.

00:23:07.90 – 00:23:20.44

Like, some guy was, like, he wanted to be dressed like a girl and, like, pretend that we were, like, brother and sister. And I was, like, damn, I used to dress my brother up like a girl. Like, fuck. Like, you. don't think he's now into the shit too, or something, you know?

00:23:20.44 – 00:23:24.80

It's, like, you, kind of, like, connect the dots and, and figure out how.

2Speaker 2
00:23:24.80 – 00:23:35.82

No, that makes sense. It's, like, there's a niche space of, like, people that really succeed are the ones that actually, like, take it to heart and you're, like, I am enjoying this and I want to do this. You need to believe in it. Authentic.

1Speaker 1
00:23:35.88 – 00:23:46.36

You really need to, like, believe in what, in what you're doing, because otherwise it's gonna, like, you're just, it's a lot. Yeah. It's a lot of, on, on someone's mental health.

2Speaker 2
00:23:46.36 – 00:23:50.22

What are some of the risks of working as a doll matrix?

1Speaker 1
00:23:53.44 – 00:23:56.06

That you might never get out of it.

2Speaker 2
00:23:56.50 – 00:23:58.82

Yeah. Yeah. Did you feel that?

1Speaker 1
00:24:01.26 – 00:24:23.82

There were moments where I was, like, oh, my God, you know, I would see the older girls, but specifically, like, one older girl, like, she had actually gone to the same high school as me and we had the same advisor 10 years prior. Right. Right. And I was, like, damn, I wonder if I'm gonna be here, like, you know, in 10 years. But, like, she's still fabulous and amazing.

00:24:24.04 – 00:24:27.68

It's not a bad thing. Oh, totally. But, like, you know, I obviously wanted more.

2Speaker 2
00:24:28.04 – 00:24:36.14

Yeah. Did you, were clients ever, like, creepy? Like, did it ever, were you ever, like, scared? Mm-hmm. Like, that they would, like, what, how was it scary?

1Speaker 1
00:24:36.74 – 00:24:37.88

I mean, sorry.

2Speaker 2
00:24:38.06 – 00:24:38.52

No, you're good.

1Speaker 1
00:24:39.30 – 00:24:54.76

There, there definitely were moments where I was, like, oh, my God, this person's really creepy and scary. And I would just, like, run out and just tell the manager. And then she, and then she'd fucking handle it. And she was, like, oh, a scary, like, 300-pound Ukrainian woman who, like, you, don't want to fuck with. She's, like, get the fuck out.

00:24:54.88 – 00:24:57.74

Yeah. She was, like, gonna handle it. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:24:57.96 – 00:25:01.38

Did you get any ideas of how to perform from porn?

1Speaker 1
00:25:04.16 – 00:25:14.50

Mm, no. I actually never even watched fetish porn prior to this. Like, it was once I got into it, that then I started Googling. Got it. And I was, like, okay.

00:25:14.90 – 00:25:22.44

So, like, let me see how they do it, you know? Totally. But I was really just kind of going off, like, instinct. Yeah. Like, I could just figure it.

00:25:22.48 – 00:25:24.96

You could just figure it out. It's not rocket science. Totally. You know, like.

2Speaker 2
00:25:25.14 – 00:25:29.00

What kind of porn are you now into? And, like, what turns you on about it?

1Speaker 1
00:25:29.56 – 00:25:36.42

I'm into, like, weirdly, like, partner, like, swapping, and then, like, watching or something.

2Speaker 2
00:25:36.54 – 00:25:37.24

So, like, foursomes?

1Speaker 1
00:25:37.86 – 00:25:41.18

Yeah. Like, more, like, that vibe right now.

2Speaker 2
00:25:41.24 – 00:25:42.84

Like, cuckolding shit a little bit?

1Speaker 1
00:25:42.84 – 00:25:46.08

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm. I could totally. Like, I've never done it.

00:25:46.16 – 00:26:02.18

It's, like, so out. Yeah. Like, in my other relationships, I feel like, like, I don't know. I've always been so jealous and so possessive in all my relationships. And I really, like, I don't want to be like that in the future, you know?

00:26:02.68 – 00:26:03.52

But it is hot.

2Speaker 2
00:26:03.68 – 00:26:06.06

Like, I feel it. Yeah, it's hot. Like, when you see your partner.

1Speaker 1
00:26:06.42 – 00:26:06.70

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:26:06.76 – 00:26:09.86

That jealousy, in a way, if it's controlled, does turn you on.

1Speaker 1
00:26:10.00 – 00:26:17.88

Yeah. Especially if you know, like, your partner really, like, if they love you. Yes. And then, like, they're doing it, to turn you on. Yes.

00:26:17.88 – 00:26:18.80

Then that's hot.

2Speaker 2
00:26:18.96 – 00:26:29.56

It's so hot. Yeah. And it creates, like, this, different type of energy. I've been the same. I've never done it with my partner, but I've always said, like, I feel like it would be hot to watch him with another girl.

00:26:29.78 – 00:26:33.00

Yeah. But I'm like, fuck. If it actually happened, would I lose, like, what?

1Speaker 1
00:26:33.14 – 00:26:39.64

Like, I know how would I feel in the moment. But I honestly think, like, in the moment, we'd probably be able to handle it really well.

2Speaker 2
00:26:39.92 – 00:26:49.18

That's what I've always said on my show. Like, I think it's just establishing some type of boundary prior. Yeah. Because if you go into it blind, and then, like, he's doing something, you're like, wait, don't do that. Like, what the fuck?

00:26:49.18 – 00:26:52.26

Right. Why are you guys cuddling after? Yeah. Why are you guys just fucking fucked? Like, what's going on?

00:27:09.36 – 00:27:13.02

You eventually were invested in a nightclub.

1Speaker 1
00:27:13.36 – 00:27:13.64

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:27:13.86 – 00:27:19.24

How did being in kind of that nightlife elevate your experience in New York when you were younger?

1Speaker 1
00:27:19.94 – 00:27:39.86

Well, the nightclub came about because I was dating someone whose passion was to open a nightclub. Okay. So he asked me for money, and I was like, okay, let's look at what happened. Then he ended up attacking me. And after we broke up, because obviously I'm like, well, we're broken up, but I'm still going to come here because I still put money in this place.

00:27:40.04 – 00:28:02.40

And you didn't even put any money in this place. So I'm still going to come with all my friends and drink for free. And I was doing that one night, and he got really jealous, and he attacked me, and it became a really, really big deal. And it was kind of before the Me Too movement. And I was like, hey, this happened to me in a room full of people.

00:28:02.62 – 00:28:32.08

People literally saw it happen, and there was still question about whether, if I initiated it, because I had had this reputation of being kind of like a loose cannon, I guess. But I'm not a loose cannon. I just speak up for myself, and I speak up when I see something's fucked up or unfair. And so it was really the first time that I was like, wow. Because I would always hear stories of women that come forward, and then nobody believes them.

00:28:32.34 – 00:28:45.66

And I was like, yeah, but that would never happen to me. Everyone would believe me. And no. It was very much divided, who was on whose side. And in that moment, I felt so betrayed by my own city.

00:28:46.48 – 00:28:52.54

It was a full collective betrayal. So I just left. And it was the best thing I could have ever done.

2Speaker 2
00:28:52.94 – 00:29:02.64

You want to speak up. And then, when you're not believed, you question everything of what. if this happened again? Now, I probably wouldn't speak up next time. And that breeds such an unhealthy culture.

1Speaker 1
00:29:02.78 – 00:29:21.46

Well, that actually happened. Something else happened, involving a very prominent person. And I didn't say anything. Because I was like, now it's just going to look like I'm this unhinged, well, I'll just keep it to myself. But I did suffer emotional damage from that.

00:29:21.52 – 00:29:23.70

I was unwell for a few months.

2Speaker 2
00:29:24.06 – 00:29:26.08

Do you ever think you would speak about it or no?

1Speaker 1
00:29:26.84 – 00:29:39.48

No, because it's like, if that person was still out and able to hurt people, then yes. But he's not. So it's fine. It's like, what is that? I don't need more.

00:29:39.82 – 00:29:40.50

Totally. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:29:40.90 – 00:29:46.76

Drama. How did also being immersed in the club scene affect your alcohol and drug intake?

1Speaker 1
00:29:49.20 – 00:30:06.44

Not so much. Because my drug use was always very alone. Or with one or two other people. Do you know what I mean? It was always very private and more, I don't know.

00:30:06.44 – 00:30:15.06

When I was out partying, it was still fun. You know what I mean? I think you would say cute. Yeah, it was cute. It was dark.

00:30:15.78 – 00:30:22.10

Yeah, it wasn't dark. My drug use was not fun in that way.

2Speaker 2
00:30:22.28 – 00:30:32.94

So you talked about, were you referencing when you were like, and then I just got out of there? Is that when you went to Louisiana? Yeah. So for people that don't know the story, you pack up, you leave New York City, you go to Louisiana.

1Speaker 1
00:30:32.94 – 00:30:47.38

Yeah, and I had a fashion line too with my best friend. And I fully was like, I can't even do this anymore. Actually, I signed it over to her name. And pretty much just left. Packed up my shit and left.

00:30:47.68 – 00:31:01.34

And went to the South. And then I was there with a few of my friends. And my friend Richie sent me a camera for Christmas. And then I ended up taking some photos. And then an art show was born.

00:31:01.66 – 00:31:20.06

And then more shows and books. And that art journey kind of happened. And I definitely feel more glad that I kind of segued more into art. Because I feel like I really had to express myself. And I wasn't doing it in a really authentic way through fashion.

00:31:20.06 – 00:31:22.72

Because I felt like I was kind of pretending to be someone. I wasn't.

2Speaker 2
00:31:23.66 – 00:31:36.00

Did you feel, going from such the juxtaposition of New York City to Louisiana, and being a city girl and then going to the South, were you lonely? Did you have any romantic relationships?

1Speaker 1
00:31:37.14 – 00:31:52.92

No, I wasn't lonely because I went there with my really good friend Harmony. And then I already knew two people down there, Jack and John, who were in this band, Salem. That's really dope. And so I knew people there. And Jack's actually the reason why I even ever went down there.

00:31:53.02 – 00:32:03.26

And I was such a city girl. I really only knew LA, New York, Miami, and then Europe. And you know what I mean? I was so ignorant. And I had never been anywhere.

00:32:03.54 – 00:32:18.20

I'd never really seen anything. So the first time going to Louisiana, I was like, Oh my God, real life, real people. People that go out at night, not to be photographed, but just to hang out with their friends. What a concept. Wow.

00:32:18.42 – 00:32:33.56

You know what I mean? Right. And I was really, really drawn to that. And in that process, I remember I got rid of all my nice clothes. And I just really got rid of all that stuff that I allowed to find me for so many years.

00:32:34.50 – 00:32:50.10

Just always on the hunt for money. Always money, money, money. Because I didn't grow up with money, so I was always in financial insecurity. And I kind of, in that moment, let go of all of that.

2Speaker 2
00:32:50.14 – 00:32:57.54

Part of the art you created in Louisiana was taking photos of people using heroin. What inspired you to take those photos?

1Speaker 1
00:32:58.50 – 00:33:18.08

You know, at the time, it didn't really feel like a big deal. Because heroin had been such a major part of my life that I just kind of didn't. Now, when I see the photo, I am more affected by it. I'm like, ooh, you know, graph it. I don't want to look at it.

00:33:18.12 – 00:33:27.30

I look away. But at the time, I was so numb to anything about drugs or guns or anything like that. It didn't seem like a big deal.

2Speaker 2
00:33:28.30 – 00:33:30.32

Were you using heroin at the time?

1Speaker 1
00:33:30.60 – 00:33:31.66

On and off, yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:33:32.12 – 00:33:33.54

When was the first time you tried heroin?

1Speaker 1
00:33:34.32 – 00:33:40.56

I think I was in high school. Yeah, I was in high school because it was before I graduated.

2Speaker 2
00:33:41.68 – 00:33:43.24

How did that affect you?

1Speaker 1
00:33:44.54 – 00:33:50.80

I remember this guy, Mario. Sorry, Mario. Shout out, Mario. Shout out, Mario. But I know he's definitely not.

00:33:50.92 – 00:34:02.44

That was so long ago. I'm sure he's not doing this anymore, I hope. But I met him at a party. I didn't have a phone. And he gave me two little wax baggies.

00:34:05.14 – 00:34:18.62

And then I forgot how he ended up getting in touch with me. or I got in touch with him. But it was very much like he knew that I would get in touch with him type of thing. He gave it to me because he knew that I'd be calling. And it was pretty much like that.

00:34:18.82 – 00:34:36.02

And at the time, none of my other friends were doing it. So I was doing it in secret. And I would just put it on a blunt that I was just going to smoke to the face or something and not share. I remember they'd ask me and I would just be like, no. Yeah, because they didn't know and I was being such a bitch.

00:34:38.14 – 00:34:51.32

And then I remember I was like, okay, I'm over it. I'm done now. And then I got sick. And I was like, damn, I have a cold. I didn't even know the withdrawals and the things.

00:34:51.52 – 00:35:13.90

I didn't understand that I was really playing with fire. So it's like a miracle that I haven't done in very, very long. And I highly don't recommend it, especially now with the fentanyl and everything in it. It's like my best friend died at that 2019 from a fentanyl overdose. And that was like I had been sober prior.

00:35:14.50 – 00:35:27.06

But then that was like really the solid. If I even have a thought, it's like very quickly wiped out. I just think of her and it's like over. I just know in my heart I'm just never going to do that again.

2Speaker 2
00:35:27.62 – 00:35:31.96

I'm so sorry. What was rock bottom moment for you?

1Speaker 1
00:35:32.30 – 00:35:45.82

There's so many rock bottom. It's like you think one was the rock bottom, but then it's like it gets worse. I would probably have to say like overdosing was probably a rock bottom.

2Speaker 2
00:35:48.18 – 00:35:51.04

Who found you when you overdosed?

1Speaker 1
00:35:51.12 – 00:35:58.12

Well, there's been a few. But the last one, the really bad one, it was on my birthday.

00:35:59.84 – 00:36:23.84

And it was really sad because my sister was there and she was sober. And the whole party was ruined because I literally fell over in front of the whole party. Yeah, it was really bad. And that was like a very awakening moment. And I really credit her for saving my life, because she, at 19 years old, had the foresight to be like, you know what, I'm going to go get sober and join AA and really do it.

00:36:23.98 – 00:36:38.22

And she's still sober to this day. And if it wasn't for her being sober and then showing me, she would drag me to meetings. And I would just be on my phone, not paying attention. And then one day it took. Wow.

2Speaker 2
00:36:39.08 – 00:36:45.92

That's amazing to have people in your life that are there for you. And it's like we're going to keep trying until it sticks.

1Speaker 1
00:36:45.92 – 00:36:53.06

Yeah, that's why she's with me today on this journey. And that's them forever, you know.

2Speaker 2
00:36:53.20 – 00:36:55.88

Oh, my God. How much? Are you younger, older?

1Speaker 1
00:36:56.10 – 00:37:02.24

We're actually like a couple months apart. Yeah. Oh, she's not like my biological sister. Oh, you're just saying your sister is your only friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:37:02.24 – 00:37:03.00

I'm like, I'm your only child.

1Speaker 1
00:37:03.16 – 00:37:04.58

She's my friend, but she's my sister.

2Speaker 2
00:37:04.92 – 00:37:05.72

Basically like blood. Yeah, yeah.

1Speaker 1
00:37:05.84 – 00:37:05.86

Got it.

2Speaker 2
00:37:07.14 – 00:37:12.10

When and how did you meet the father of your child, and how did your relationship evolve?

1Speaker 1
00:37:12.10 – 00:37:30.60

I met him at the Carlisle through Zach Bahage, who owned the Lucienne. But I think we had actually met when we were teenagers. I'm older than him, though. He was like 14 and I was maybe like 17.. And I remember thinking like, oh, he's hot, but he's really young.

00:37:30.74 – 00:37:40.24

Yeah. Like, I literally remember that happening. And then, yeah, we met again, and it was like love. at first sight. He had a girlfriend.

00:37:40.94 – 00:37:49.20

I like tried to hit on him and he said, no, I have a girlfriend. And I liked that. He turned me down and I liked that he was loyal. But then they broke up. a few months later.

00:37:49.28 – 00:38:00.02

He called me. Obviously, the rest is history. He actually came to the wrap party of Uncut Gems. So this wasn't even, the movie wasn't even out, yet. Comes to the wrap party, and we were literally together every day after that.

00:38:00.06 – 00:38:09.20

And then we got married like a month later in Vegas. Yeah, with like the Elvis Presley impersonator and all of that. And it was really, really fun until it wasn't. Right.

2Speaker 2
00:38:09.20 – 00:38:11.62

Like it was incredible and then it wasn't.

1Speaker 1
00:38:11.82 – 00:38:13.10

Yeah, and then it was a nightmare.

2Speaker 2
00:38:13.36 – 00:38:16.60

How did your relationship change once you had your son?

1Speaker 1
00:38:17.60 – 00:38:31.86

It had changed prior to that. Yeah, there were issues prior. I think. suddenly, like all the attention from Uncut Gems happened. And then suddenly guys are in my DMs and I'm traveling a lot.

00:38:31.92 – 00:38:43.86

And now I'm busier than I used to be and not as available. And also like, just not as patient. Like I'm tired now. I don't want to, you know, like, just be like easy to be around. Do you know what I mean?

00:38:43.94 – 00:38:53.52

Like, please. And it just wasn't really working out that way. But he really like, obviously he's not perfect. I'm not perfect. Like.

00:38:53.52 – 00:38:56.54

obviously we were drawn to each other for a reason.

00:38:58.70 – 00:39:18.02

But he's actually like one of the most, like genuine people I know. Like, really like. what you see is what you get. But like, not, like he's, I can't really describe it. But it's definitely, it's something that, a quality that Kanye has as well.

00:39:18.16 – 00:39:28.24

Just being so genuine, like, almost childlike in a way. Just like, so honest, so blunt. And I'm really drawn to that. Like. I like people that are just transparent.

00:39:28.72 – 00:39:28.78

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:39:29.82 – 00:39:38.46

Within the last few days of 2021, you posted an Instagram story. You're like, I already know what you're going to say. That read, have you seen the Deadbeat Dad?

1Speaker 1
00:39:38.66 – 00:39:39.34

You're like, don't read it.

2Speaker 2
00:39:39.76 – 00:39:40.88

Do you care if I read it?

1Speaker 1
00:39:40.96 – 00:39:49.72

Just anyone that didn't hear it. No, it's fine. Yeah. I definitely called him a Deadbeat Dad. Well, because he had blocked my number for like a month at that point.

00:39:49.84 – 00:39:56.28

And I was just like fuming. And I didn't know that he had been paying my rent.

2Speaker 2
00:39:57.24 – 00:39:58.46

How did you not know that?

1Speaker 1
00:39:59.26 – 00:40:07.20

Girl, I just wasn't paying it. I was like, I'll let it pile up and then I'll just write. Because it's like, well, I can't just do it electronically. It's so much easier. It's like, well, I have to mail a check.

00:40:07.34 – 00:40:13.22

Yes. They want me to mail a check, girl. Why the fuck do they still do that in New York? I haven't seen my checkbook since 2008.. I don't even have one.

00:40:13.22 – 00:40:16.22

I don't even know where it is. Yeah, exactly. Like. that's why they're not getting their fucking rent.

2Speaker 2
00:40:16.22 – 00:40:17.00

I feel you on that. Anyway.

1Speaker 1
00:40:17.42 – 00:40:20.64

So I was just like, but also the landlord's, my friend. Okay. So it's fine.

2Speaker 2
00:40:20.70 – 00:40:23.46

So like I'm just not getting evicted. Not sure why, but like living for this.

1Speaker 1
00:40:23.46 – 00:40:35.32

Yeah, exactly. Like on my list of priorities, it was like number six. Like I have so many other like things that are like so much more dire to think about. So I was just like, it's fine. So I didn't even know that.

00:40:35.66 – 00:41:01.30

So in my head, I was like, oh, he's like not helping physically, but he's also not even helping financially. And, and that's what set me up. Because if, if he wasn't helping physically, but then he was sending money, I would have at least been like, okay, he does want to be in his son's life, but he just needs to take a break. And I'm, I'm angry about it, but I understand, because the breakup was really hard. And we obviously had still a lot of feelings for each other.

00:41:01.86 – 00:41:12.00

Um, so I understand him needing that, but obviously I wish I knew that information, because I definitely don't think I would have reacted in that way.

2Speaker 2
00:41:12.12 – 00:41:13.56

And then did he tell you?

1Speaker 1
00:41:14.02 – 00:41:24.44

No. My landlord did. Yeah. And you're like, no, he actually didn't even text me or call me or like say, take it down or anything. I know.

00:41:25.44 – 00:41:36.58

He's a very like, noble man. Um, he was like, I'm just not even going to engage, which, which kind of made me even more mad. I know. Cause, honestly, if he had just texted and been like, take it down, I would've been like, okay.

2Speaker 2
00:41:39.50 – 00:41:42.82

Okay. Well, so the fallout, you did, you did say you were like, regretted it.

1Speaker 1
00:41:43.34 – 00:41:51.98

I do regret it. I mean, listen, I didn't lie. Right. You know what I mean? Like, but, but obviously I did take things out of context to intentionally make someone look bad.

00:41:52.00 – 00:42:04.48

Yeah, totally. I did. Totally. You know, if we want to paint the full picture, it's like, no. He actually is really great and has these other amazing quality and like, but it's like, you know, I shouldn't, I just shouldn't have said anything to begin with.

2Speaker 2
00:42:04.54 – 00:42:05.64

Are you on good terms now?

1Speaker 1
00:42:05.76 – 00:42:18.80

Yes. Very, very. And he's been super supportive and I've been having to travel a lot, so he's been helping, which is great. Cause they get to like make up a lot of time that they haven't spent together in the last two months. So yeah, so it's actually worked out perfectly.

2Speaker 2
00:42:34.98 – 00:42:49.66

You added actress to your resume three years ago when you starred in Uncut Gems with Adam Sandler, and you played a role that was based on yourself. The name was even Julia. Were the filmmakers your friends? Like? why did they build this character for you?

1Speaker 1
00:42:49.66 – 00:43:14.98

Yeah, the filmmakers were friends of mine and they'd been working on this project for many years, like, I think, like 10 years or something before it came out. So for like 10 years or something, they'd been telling me, like this movie, this character, like, and they asked me for, like, what would you do if you were in a fight with your boyfriend? Like, how would you get him to like, you know what I mean? Like, just asking me that type of shit. And then I was like, all right, like.

00:43:14.98 – 00:43:36.38

I see what's happening here. Like, I'll, you know, and then I, obviously like, got on the phone and we developed her, and her name was actually originally Sadie, but Adam Sandler's daughter's name is Sadie. So they, and they were trying to find a name, but like nothing else fit. It was like, it was just supposed to be Julia. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:43:36.72 – 00:43:41.04

What aspect of your personality do you think was best portrayed in the character?

1Speaker 1
00:43:41.04 – 00:43:47.74

I think the like humor and the like, just like no fucks, given type of attitude. Definitely. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:43:48.66 – 00:43:53.02

Okay. Are the rumors true? Will you be playing Madonna in her biopic?

1Speaker 1
00:43:53.44 – 00:44:05.92

No, I wish. I'm like, Julia, can you sing? I wish. No, I can. I can definitely like get down with some karaoke and like, I have some range, but I definitely not Madonna's range.

00:44:05.92 – 00:44:20.96

No, I actually auditioned to play Debbie Mazar, her BFF, who I'm obsessed with. And people have been comparing me to her my entire life. Yeah. So, I mean, but you know, she's going to audition a million girls, like, you know, high chance. I probably won't even get it.

00:44:21.00 – 00:44:26.36

Like. it's just the industry's like that. It's totally, you know, it's nothing personal. Whoever. Yeah.

00:44:26.48 – 00:44:29.46

But I gave it my best shot. So we'll see. I love it. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:44:30.12 – 00:44:35.52

Okay. Rumor has it. you're dating someone new. How do you guys put a label on it?

1Speaker 1
00:44:36.40 – 00:44:39.22

I mean, I call him my boyfriend and he calls me his girlfriend.

2Speaker 2
00:44:40.58 – 00:44:46.24

But there was never, ever like an official conversation. No. Don't you love. when that just happens all of a sudden, one day you're like, I think you're my boyfriend.

1Speaker 1
00:44:46.42 – 00:44:56.46

Yeah. Yeah. It just, it just happened. And, and, um, and it felt very, just like, very organic and like, not even like crazy or anything. Just very natural.

2Speaker 2
00:44:56.90 – 00:44:58.78

Do you remember the first thing he said to you?

1Speaker 1
00:44:59.24 – 00:45:00.38

Ever in life? Yeah.

00:45:02.04 – 00:45:05.90

Sup? Sup? It's yay. I think it was like something like that. Yeah.

00:45:05.96 – 00:45:07.88

He like got my number through a mutual friend.

2Speaker 2
00:45:08.12 – 00:45:09.60

What was your first impression of him?

1Speaker 1
00:45:11.76 – 00:45:26.00

Super magnetic, like very attractive. Like, like not, I don't even mean it like he's attractive physically, but I mean also, just like, like the vibe is very like attractive. Right. You know what I mean? Like you, you, at least for me, like.

00:45:26.00 – 00:45:32.38

I felt like I wanted to gravitate toward, you know what I mean? Like. it was very like, when that happens, like, like spark.

2Speaker 2
00:45:32.82 – 00:45:34.68

You're like, that person has something.

1Speaker 1
00:45:35.40 – 00:45:42.80

Yeah. They just glow. They radiate an energy, and he definitely has a very, very special, unique, like one of a kind energy.

2Speaker 2
00:45:43.62 – 00:45:51.50

After your first meeting in Miami, you have this like whirlwind 24 hour, like moment. And then like, how did you guys leave it before you went to New York?

1Speaker 1
00:45:52.54 – 00:45:59.96

Oh my gosh. I was only supposed to go there for the night and then I was supposed to fly back the next day. We ended up staying like three or four extra days.

00:46:03.96 – 00:46:22.44

And it was like, we were on the Kanye workout plan. Like we got to work, we were like, okay, you know, we're, we're going to do this. Like, if I'm going to be seen with you, like I need to, you know, step it up a little bit just because I'm late. Like I'm a little lazy. That's just the thing.

00:46:22.50 – 00:46:39.04

It's a fact, you know? Yeah. So I definitely do need to be like nudged a little bit and like pushed out of my comfort zone. And I love that, because I don't think anyone has been able to succeed in that. Cause I'm, I'm stubborn and I'm going to, you know, I'm going to wear the things that I'm comfortable in.

00:46:39.04 – 00:46:50.06

And it's like, you know, and I have my insecurities and no one else sees, and like, you know what I mean? When he doesn't see them. So he, just like, you, know what I mean? So it's cool to see myself through his eyes.

2Speaker 2
00:46:50.06 – 00:47:00.94

For anyone who lives under a rock or didn't read interview magazine, you detailed this like lavish second date in New York city. Can you indulge us and just kind of like walk us through the night?

1Speaker 1
00:47:01.24 – 00:47:24.72

Yeah. Um, we went to, we went to see slave play and Jeremy O'Harris play, and that was amazing. Then we went to Carbone and then, after Carbone, we went back to the pantry where his suite was. And I just thought we were going to go and like just hang out, like play Uno or something. He really likes, Uno.

00:47:25.22 – 00:47:48.58

I just thought we were going to do that. And I walk in and like all the furniture in the hotel room has been like pushed into the bedroom and like there's all these racks, like lining all the walls. And it was like, like a fucking dream. And it's also just like the thought behind it. And like he had also just landed at like earlier in the evening.

00:47:48.76 – 00:48:02.24

So it's like, how did even, you know what I mean? But he makes it happen. That's, that's, and then he did something for me in LA as well. He like, turned this big warehouse space into like, like a really cool, like restaurant kind of vibe. Yeah.

00:48:02.28 – 00:48:13.82

For me and my friends. And like, that was really nice. And Naomi Campbell was there. and yeah, so like just really iconic moments that he does for me.

2Speaker 2
00:48:14.16 – 00:48:17.20

Have you ever felt in these moments like a little overwhelmed?

1Speaker 1
00:48:17.64 – 00:48:18.00

No.

2Speaker 2
00:48:18.60 – 00:48:19.52

Why do you think?

1Speaker 1
00:48:21.00 – 00:48:33.16

I don't know. I'm just like grown and like, also I, I grew up in New York City. I grew up around celebrities. I'm, you know what I mean? I know how to like, and also I really feel like I've like, earned my, my place to be there.

00:48:33.32 – 00:48:41.18

Do you know what I mean? Like, obviously I'm not on their level and I'm not saying I am, but I feel like I've like put in the work and like I can, I can hang. Yes. I can hang. Definitely.

00:48:42.18 – 00:48:47.56

I mean, I look at her now. Like she's at dinner with Madonna. It's like, well, actually, I set up that dinner and I invited Kanye.

2Speaker 2
00:48:47.84 – 00:48:50.04

You know what I mean? Oh, my God. That's kind of baller. Yeah.

1Speaker 1
00:48:50.10 – 00:49:01.04

So it's like, obviously people, it looks a certain way, but they, people don't know the conversations happening behind the scenes and like, no, I've been around and you know what I mean? I've. Absolutely. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:49:01.20 – 00:49:11.24

On your podcast, you talk about how people were kind of like calling it love bombing, almost of how extravagant things have gotten. Why do you not consider it love bombing?

1Speaker 1
00:49:12.90 – 00:49:39.04

Um, because he doesn't have like, um, like a shady ulterior motive, which I think is like super crucial in the love bombing element. because you know, in a typical narcissistic like relationship in that way, it's like you get love bombed and then you get isolated and then you get like, you know what I mean? And it's like, no, actually like. my friends are now with me 24, seven, like if they're hired and it's like, do you know what I mean? Like?

00:49:39.04 – 00:49:50.00

he's not trying to like. have me to keep me from like a lock me, wait, no, he wants me to be the best version of myself. Like. that is always the conversation, always. Like.

00:49:50.00 – 00:49:54.32

how am I going to be? live up to my full potential, which I think is like amazing.

2Speaker 2
00:49:55.26 – 00:49:58.86

So would you, cause everyone's like, would you consider yourself Ye's muse?

1Speaker 1
00:50:02.56 – 00:50:04.54

Um, yeah, a little, maybe.

2Speaker 2
00:50:05.08 – 00:50:11.74

What does it even mean? If no one that's ever been, cause? I remember you were like, I, this is not the first time that I've, what, what is a muse?

1Speaker 1
00:50:11.98 – 00:50:24.94

I mean, I was Josh Safdie's muse when he wrote on Kajal, do you know what I mean? Like things like that, like? I think people make it seem a little more dramatic than it is. Like I'm not, you know what I mean? It's not like Van, Gogh, like type of, like, he.

00:50:24.94 – 00:50:30.40

just, he wants to dress me right now. I think that's kind of what it is.

2Speaker 2
00:50:30.56 – 00:50:34.36

Is there anything that you know, like you're inspiring him with?

1Speaker 1
00:50:34.36 – 00:50:52.54

Like you say, like, yeah, I think it's, it's very mutual. Um, like, I am definitely an ideas person. I always have, like crazy, like out there ideas. And so does he, and I love telling him my ideas. and, and like, we know we, we get excited over each other's, like weird thing, you know, it's, it's definitely mutual for sure.

2Speaker 2
00:50:52.72 – 00:50:54.62

What do you guys disagree on?

1Speaker 1
00:50:56.24 – 00:51:10.56

He thought one of the makeup looks, he'd actually went and tried to draw like a sunglass line. And I think that was like the only time where I literally was like, no, this is where I put my foot down. Oh my God.

2Speaker 2
00:51:10.66 – 00:51:12.90

I would be like, absolutely fucking not.

1Speaker 1
00:51:13.14 – 00:51:28.38

No, but then I actually online, I like randomly, saw an image of that makeup, and it didn't, it didn't look that bad, actually. Like a full sunglass. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I need to like, when he's doing something, just let him execute the vision.

00:51:28.38 – 00:51:33.16

Cause. it might actually be cool, because a lot of times I've been like, oh my God, what is he doing? And then it's fucking awesome.

2Speaker 2
00:51:33.50 – 00:51:35.24

And you're like, fuck, I would have never thought of this.

1Speaker 1
00:51:35.28 – 00:51:42.40

And that like never happens for me. So it's really cool to meet someone that like does something that I really would have never thought of doing. You know?

2Speaker 2
00:51:43.22 – 00:51:45.86

What do you say to people who claim that this is not a real relationship?

1Speaker 1
00:51:47.44 – 00:51:51.30

I mean, time will tell. You'll see for yourself. We'll just see. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:51:52.02 – 00:51:55.30

The tabloids and social media are always comparing women.

1Speaker 1
00:51:55.62 – 00:51:55.94

I know.

2Speaker 2
00:51:55.96 – 00:51:59.94

And you keep getting compared to his ex. Why do you think they're doing that?

1Speaker 1
00:52:02.74 – 00:52:14.66

Well, we've worn some of like the similar look. Which I knew at the time of wearing them, I knew that Kim had worn it previously, but I thought it was cool that she had worn it. Right. She's iconic. Yeah.

00:52:14.88 – 00:52:40.42

Like it wasn't even a thing, but it is unfortunate because, you know, women are always just being pitted against each other. And obviously, like, you know, there's 10 years of history that they have prior. And like, I'm not going to, you know, I don't want to ever like step out, step out of line, and like speak on something that, like I have no place speaking on.

2Speaker 2
00:52:40.64 – 00:52:44.96

Like when someone was like, oh, they're both wearing Balenciaga, I'm like, wait, we can't all wear that now?

1Speaker 1
00:52:44.96 – 00:53:00.62

If anything, I feel like the conversation should be like, wow, it's amazing to see how heavily influenced Kim was by Kanye. Yeah. That's a great point. If anything, I feel like that's kind of what that shows, but obviously people want to run with the more like nastier, like narrative, and.

2Speaker 2
00:53:00.88 – 00:53:01.38

It's so immature.

1Speaker 1
00:53:01.60 – 00:53:18.82

And make people feel bad. And it's like, actually, I had a fashion line and the Kardashians actually sold it at their store dash and wore it on magazines and in the show. So it's like, there's ties. I have my history of fashion as well. I didn't just like pop out of nowhere.

00:53:19.04 – 00:53:26.02

You know what I mean? Totally. Celebrities wore all my, Nicki Minaj wore my clothes, like everyone, you know? So like, yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:53:26.18 – 00:53:29.64

How do you describe the style that you're showcasing to the world right now?

1Speaker 1
00:53:30.50 – 00:53:42.46

It's I'm giving, like dominatrix, like couture, which I love, which I love. And it feels like, you know, familiar and like, say, like I've been there before, like I've been there. So.

2Speaker 2
00:53:42.62 – 00:53:47.68

They look like they've been wearing the same outfits for like four months or whatever. And they keep saying you guys, like, what do you say to that?

1Speaker 1
00:53:48.18 – 00:53:56.86

I mean, I think about re-wearing the thing, like I'd rather wear the same outfit a bunch of times than like wear the wrong outfit once. So yes.

2Speaker 2
00:53:56.90 – 00:54:02.68

Also, everyone look inward. How many times do you re-wear an outfit? Yeah. Like just because you're getting popped.

1Speaker 1
00:54:02.80 – 00:54:05.62

It's not like you're like, yeah, we're still real people. Like, yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:54:05.64 – 00:54:06.50

You're like, these are my pants.

1Speaker 1
00:54:06.50 – 00:54:11.50

I actually just sent out my laundry today for the first time in like a month. So congratulations to me.

2Speaker 2
00:54:11.82 – 00:54:14.02

Do you think Kanye's boots are sexy?

1Speaker 1
00:54:14.38 – 00:54:15.70

I love the boots.

2Speaker 2
00:54:15.90 – 00:54:16.88

Have you ever tried them on?

1Speaker 1
00:54:16.88 – 00:54:21.08

No, I haven't. They're so iconic. I know. I should try them on. actually.

00:54:21.56 – 00:54:27.36

No, they are. I love it. They look like an action figure or like a video game character or something, which I love, that vibe.

2Speaker 2
00:54:28.82 – 00:54:39.52

I know you mentioned like getting jealous and with how much the media is like, he wants her back. Like he was fighting for her. Like, how did, have you had jealousy moments where you're like, oh, this is icky?

1Speaker 1
00:54:39.84 – 00:54:58.06

No, not really. Um, I mean, I'm sure, I'm, listen, I'm, I'm sure there's still some sort of residual feelings, and it's like, it's normal, it's human, you know, but I also like, know that he's with me now. So, and that's all that matters.

2Speaker 2
00:54:58.36 – 00:55:00.58

Have you guys talked about your future together?

1Speaker 1
00:55:03.38 – 00:55:17.16

Like, yes, it's a, there's a lot of like us and we conversations, which is really nice. Um, but no, like I said, everything is very on a whim. last minute, like pack up. We're going here now. We're going, you know what I mean?

00:55:17.64 – 00:55:23.00

So I, we're not, I, I'm like, can't even get past like next week, let alone like just having.

2Speaker 2
00:55:23.00 – 00:55:23.36

fun.

1Speaker 1
00:55:23.44 – 00:55:23.88

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:55:24.04 – 00:55:27.30

Totally. Has he given you any career advice?

1Speaker 1
00:55:28.10 – 00:55:31.28

Definitely. Yeah. That's like all he does.

2Speaker 2
00:55:31.52 – 00:55:39.78

Right. Like, do you feel like you're now in a great way, kind of like taking a different trajectory, or you're just like amplifying what you wanted to do?

1Speaker 1
00:55:39.86 – 00:55:55.34

I'm going to amplify what I already wanted to do. I definitely still want to act and I definitely still want to produce and write and direct and do my own projects. And like, that's really where I see myself falling eventually. Um, but right now I just really want to act.

2Speaker 2
00:55:55.86 – 00:55:56.04

Yeah.

1Speaker 1
00:55:56.32 – 00:55:56.68

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:55:56.84 – 00:56:02.12

With all the media attention around you, what is something you've had to change this year about your life?

1Speaker 1
00:56:05.28 – 00:56:09.10

Nothing really. Yeah. That's amazing. I don't think so. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:56:09.26 – 00:56:13.12

Does it give you anxiety when you're photographed? No. No.

1Speaker 1
00:56:13.44 – 00:56:13.84

Uh-uh.

2Speaker 2
00:56:14.02 – 00:56:14.90

You're just like, fuck yeah.

1Speaker 1
00:56:14.96 – 00:56:19.38

No, I like, I like, I was even, I even like, took the, I take the subway still. Like.

2Speaker 2
00:56:19.46 – 00:56:21.28

What's a misconception about you?

1Speaker 1
00:56:22.52 – 00:56:43.42

That I'm a gold digger. Yeah. Because it's like, yes, I have dated rich men, but like they pursued me first. Okay. And secondly, I've also like, dated and like been fully madly in love with straight bums where fully they were living off of me.

00:56:43.82 – 00:57:02.30

Like, you know what I mean? And I was the sugar mama type of situation. So, you know, it's, it's just, it's really about the person, you know, it's not, I don't, at the end of the day, like no amount of money is going to make me like actually have feelings for someone or actually want to spend time with someone. If I'm spending time with you, it's because I've like, genuinely, really like you.

2Speaker 2
00:57:02.50 – 00:57:14.84

Totally. You're one of the first people I feel like recently. that's like actually getting some like positive media attention from like random comments being like, good for her. Like, let her live her life. Which is exciting.

00:57:14.84 – 00:57:22.96

I feel like in media to see, like a little positive turn. Yeah. Fucking, shitting on every woman when they start dating a man. Yeah. And it's like so negative.

1Speaker 1
00:57:23.16 – 00:57:30.84

I think it's refreshing because it's like, it's, I feel like such an interesting choice for him. Yeah. Um, and an unexpected choice.

2Speaker 2
00:57:30.98 – 00:57:31.22

Why?

1Speaker 1
00:57:31.52 – 00:57:51.04

I don't know. Like. I feel like I would have never expected him to, yeah. Although I had actually been asked to do some Yeezy campaigns and shows like a couple of times throughout the years, and it just never really worked out. Like I wanted to do it, but it was like scheduling conflicts and I just, or I wasn't in town.

00:57:51.30 – 00:58:09.24

So like there, you know, and there would have been other opportunities for us to have met, but I really feel like, you know, timing is everything and it just had to happen now, because if he had met me prior, I would have been with my husband and I'm like super loyal. So there would have been. not even, I wouldn't have even looked in his direction, honestly.

2Speaker 2
00:58:09.86 – 00:58:16.94

What is next for you? Like? have your goals shifted? Like, what do you want people to think of Julia Fox in like five years, 10 years?

1Speaker 1
00:58:17.20 – 00:58:40.46

I really want my work to speak for itself. Um, you'll definitely still be seeing me in my fashion looks. I'm definitely committed to that. Um, but I definitely, a lot of movies, a lot of writing, um, I'm working on a book project right now. I'm developing a series and I'm writing a movie, which I already like, kind of technically sold.

00:58:40.56 – 00:58:51.92

I'm still, whatever. It's complicated, but so it's kind of, it's like I'm already, I'm still doing my things that I already had planned, pre-planned, pre-Kanye, pre-Ye. Um, so no.

2Speaker 2
00:58:52.00 – 00:59:11.00

And I just thank you for sitting down with me, because it's so nice to hear you like, in long form, speak. Like people, see things on social media and pictures, but when you get to sit down with someone, like you're so warm and nice and genuine and normal, as crazy as your life is right now. And I think people will hear that in this episode.

1Speaker 1
00:59:11.18 – 00:59:23.52

And that's like. really, what I want to convey is like, I'm just like a normal girl and like I don't, um, and I, yeah. I'm just a regular fucking, regular degular bitch, regular bitch.

2Speaker 2
00:59:23.96 – 00:59:24.52

Julia Fox.

1Speaker 1
00:59:24.64 – 00:59:38.86

Thank you. Oh, and also, um, I did. Yes. Plug. Um, and if you guys want to hear more, like weekly tea and stuff, like you can, and we interview a lot of really amazing guests as well on our podcast, also on Spotify, called forbidden fruits.

00:59:39.02 – 00:59:41.90

Um, so check it out if you guys want to hear me again.

2Speaker 2
00:59:42.40 – 00:59:43.36

Love you, bitch.

1Speaker 1
00:59:43.60 – 00:59:44.34

Thank you.

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