"Sarah Paulson"

2024-05-13 00:56:14

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3Speaker 3
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Well, what do I say? I don't know what I say. What do I do? All right, so I'm gonna finish my peanut butter. It's probably really annoying to hear me to peanut butter sandwich.

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What might be a little better is.

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This is my apple juice. Guys, if this episode of smartless is as delicious as my lunch is right now. You guys are fucking set. Welcome to smartless.

?Unknown Speaker
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I.

1Speaker 1
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Have a 130 Pickup and a 2 o'clock crew call and 2 30 shoot time.

3Speaker 3
00:57.80 – 01:06.62

So Jason's describing his first day of work, which is tomorrow at a fish market at 2 in the morning It's a shoot and in a real fish market. That's.

1Speaker 1
01:06.62 – 01:10.60

Smelly and stinky, and yeah, the hours of operation is 2 to 6 a.

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m. So that's when we have to be there. and You Know, there was a time in my life when I enjoyed those hours of the day, Sure, but I I don't anymore. So my first day is gonna be. I'm gonna try to be warm.

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I'm gonna try to be.

3Speaker 3
01:29.12 – 01:34.38

Welcome, you're up, That's 2 in the morning's rough. Yeah, I don't know.

1Speaker 1
01:34.38 – 01:45.40

I guess I'm gonna go to sleep at 6 or something. try to sleep for a little bit, or should I just stay up? She just go get a big fat bag of white and stay up all night. Just start counting days again.

3Speaker 3
01:47.22 – 02:11.34

Okay, I told I said to Jay he was thinking of Opening the first day. gifts or whatever, you know, start gifts and a man. last night I was with Will Jason and I said to Amanda I said the cookie thing, There's like a new place in New York that makes pie cookies. You believe Sean knows about that and they know They also make croissants stuffed with cookie dough. It's amazing, Christ.

1Speaker 1
02:12.24 – 02:24.12

Yeah, and I'm stuffed with cookie dough, that's right. Yeah, and and what do you think I said to the that pitch as As as start gifts was? do you think it was a no or do you think was a yes?

4Speaker 4
02:25.38 – 02:30.94

Well, I'm just trying to imagine your tone. I bet it wasn't. I wasn't considered friendly. No.

1Speaker 1
02:31.66 – 02:35.90

It wasn't, it was, it was very judgy. Yeah, it shut me down immediately.

4Speaker 4
02:37.48 – 02:49.78

We, Yeah, Sean and I were talking on the weekend. We saw each other last night. Yeah, that's what Sean just said. Yeah, and we were with your wife, and I spent a lot of time with your wife last night.

02:51.96 – 03:02.10

We started talking about. I've been, I've been freaked out this weekend and, Sean, I mentioned this to you. We started talking about cuz you read. I sent you the article JB. I sent the article about kids with smartphones.

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Yes. Yes, and it's been freaking me out. and that guy, Jonathan Haid, wrote that book. anxious generation. this is crazy and it's kind of.

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I spent the weekend like talking to my kids about it and You know what this smartphone has done to this young generation. and like the super increased rates of depression, anxiety, anxiety, even, sadly, suicide, of course, is, and it's like it's really bummed me out and I've just been like.

1Speaker 1
03:30.22 – 03:31.80

Well, what the boys say about it?

4Speaker 4
03:32.36 – 03:55.88

Well, I you know what? I did. I talked to him a little bit about it and I said, you know, what you got to remember is that these, some of these, these companies are trying to. there are people out there who knew that this stuff would be addictive to you guys and They, and they fed it to you and like big tobacco. But you know, in a way, in a way in a similar way, and I was like, how does that make you feel?

03:55.94 – 04:10.88

Like, do you feel angry? and they were like, yeah, I feel kind of pissed off because I feel duped. Look, we're all guilty of it. We were talking last night, Like how many times you're talking to somebody and you've got your phone and you go, hang on. Sorry, what, like your, your attention is divided, right?

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And So I do it as an adult and imagine what that does. if you're a teen, it's even harder. and this is a moment where you're establishing your neural pathways and I Said to Sean I go, the richest man. My 13 year old has the same phone is the richest man in the world. Mm-hmm, crazy.

04:32.10 – 04:44.14

Yeah, they're all the same phones. I don't let. I'm nervous about my kids, like Going out or walking around the corner or whatever. and yet. Oh, I'll let them get on their phone and go to the far deep Reaches of the Internet.

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I don't know. I got a chain. Anyway, it's been kind of dominating my thinking. something to do, something to figure out.

1Speaker 1
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Something to figure out. How are they? Are they able to manage boredom, like, do they have coping skills for like riding in an elevator and not doing anything? Except staring at the wall or sitting at a red light and watching traffic go by, you know, like that's something we had no choice but to get comfortable with, and and it it has. I'm glad I have that skill.

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I I would be. I would be very anxious without the skill of managing boredom.

4Speaker 4
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Think of, and that boredom led to.

3Speaker 3
05:17.68 – 05:23.18

Creative thinking thought. Yeah, exactly. Do you want to hear my thoughts when I'm sitting in a red light? Can I guess?

1Speaker 1
05:23.50 – 05:25.16

Yeah, you can get a fart joke in here somewhere.

4Speaker 4
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The thoughts are glazed or cake.

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Sprinkled or no sprinkle. hot fudge, hot fudge caramel. Yeah, get both.

3Speaker 3
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So I don't want a phone taking all that away from me. hot caramel. Fuck it both. hot fudge caramel. Fuck it, All right, anyway, look it, I'm not, we're not good.

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this is we're not gonna solve it today, But yeah, but it's it's food for thought. This is someone who's as delicious as glazed or cake. She is, Wow, Extraordinary. She is a hoot and a half, a real firecracker. She has a starburst tattoo on her right foot.

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What, yes, as an actress, her body of work is ridiculously vast, and yet she's still younger than any of us, Known in Hollywood for her transformative character, work and strength. on screen, You might be surprised to learn that her fear of flying Goes as far as needing to meet every pilot before takeoff.

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When not in the cockpit, you could probably find her working on a Ryan Murphy project or 12 of them. It's the lovely and delightful and our good friend Sarah Paulson. Sarah, get your ass out here.

1Speaker 1
06:29.24 – 06:34.38

I covered the camera with toilet toilet paper. Are you dead? It would have been better if it was clean.

2Speaker 2
06:34.38 – 06:43.16

But use toilet paper, it's not clean. So are you in the bathroom? I'm upstairs. I'm upstairs. Yeah, near a bathroom.

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You live. you live in your apartment in New York. Yeah, I don't live in New York.

1Speaker 1
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I'm just here while I'm doing the play, but this is your. this is your apartment. We're visiting you in your apartment while you're doing the play. I'm actually staying at a.

2Speaker 2
06:55.08 – 07:00.28

Friend's apartment. renting that apartment. Gotcha. Oh, and and and the play.

1Speaker 1
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We should mention is that the Tabasco Theatre, by the way, it's at the spicy Tabasco Theatre. That's really the Belasco. That's where Sean won his Tony And Sarah's well, on her way to hers, Tony. Yes,

3Speaker 3
07:16.90 – 07:30.94

Yes, it's the golden touch of that theater, Sarah, I'm telling you, in her incredible play called appropriate Everybody if you're no appropriate. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. So talk about that, because we were like it's spelled the same and I was like, Oh, I didn't know, it's true.

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So are we supposed to think that it's both appropriate and appropriate?

2Speaker 2
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Well, I think at the beginning of the play there's that sign right, that sort of drop in front of the curtain that Describes all of the various ways. and the noun in the verb. Yeah, the noun in the verb. Yeah. What is well doing, hi.

4Speaker 4
07:49.20 – 07:58.32

Working on a smartphone. he's well, we don't really know. you know, I got some notification to verify that. it's me on my Google. I don't know, but I was listening and what I was thinking was, I mean just exactly.

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at least I'd listen at least More than you did. at least I'd listen more than you did when you were going to see her play appropriate. Thanks. Well, yeah, well guys, you both know, I missed the scene. the play now, Sarah, I'm, I don't really know.

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you, like these guys, do so. hush. Let us talk. Yeah, okay. Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

2Speaker 2
08:18.12 – 08:24.04

Weirdly, I I wanted to talk to will. I mean, I know you both, great Sean, and I'll take a tight fight more interested in.

1Speaker 1
08:26.18 – 08:31.88

But why is it appropriate, appropriate instead of appropriate? I think appropriate could work, just beautiful.

2Speaker 2
08:31.88 – 08:42.60

I think it could, and I think it's why he offers both options at the beginning of the play, because all of it is Applicable, but I think I did ask him directly. it is appropriate.

1Speaker 1
08:43.48 – 08:45.38

All right, I think I think he's wrong.

3Speaker 3
08:46.74 – 08:56.06

I'm gonna tell him wait, so I want to do so. we went backstage. First of all, go see the play. It's amazing. You're phenomenal in it, especially that last monologue was incredible.

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You're standing on the stairs and it's like you're scarlet, whatever, and you're just like. it's incredible. It's incredible. Thanks, Sean. It's really really great.

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Very kind of you, Sean, by the way, I love. I love that thing, too. People are like, you know. I was talking about it afterwards to friends and that thing about it's too long to go into what the whole plays about, because it's about a lot of things. but Your character with your two brothers, go back to your, the home, where you're really.

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your father died And you're sorting out business, and you find all of these questionable things in his past, like Pictures of things and other stuff that bring up a bunch of questions about your family and your upbringing at the end of the play. I thought it was so profound when you were like and built it. Please fill in the blanks, but you talk. you're talking to your two brothers and you're like, I'm the oldest of this family. I got to hold you and watch you and see all of the things that create your memories, But nobody's ever held me or was there for nobody's left in the family?

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who's done that for me? for me, Yeah, right. It's really powerful. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
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Meaning no, I mean Jason has a lot of skills, But this one particular assessment is not one of them. I tell you what do yourself a favor.

4Speaker 4
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Don't ask either of them to define it, because it'll be embarrassing for everybody.

3Speaker 3
10:13.80 – 10:18.06

So, moving forward, I want to talk about flying and your fear of flying like why this is.

1Speaker 1
10:18.06 – 10:22.48

Sorry, before we move beyond the play will. are you gonna find some time to come? see the play? Yeah, I am.

4Speaker 4
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Well, I'm gonna see the play I had.

2Speaker 2
10:27.14 – 10:33.24

You know, I hate knowing when people are out there. just give her a ballpark, I'd say it, but she hates knowing.

4Speaker 4
10:33.24 – 10:39.84

Yeah, I wanted to cuz I was gonna say I was about to tell you and then she's like I got till June 23rd, buddy.

2Speaker 2
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But I don't want to know. I don't want to know, you know, I don't like to know it. I'm the same. I don't like to know when people are coming. I don't care if it's your dry cleaner.

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I don't care if it's your dentist. I end up thinking too much about about whether or not there. It's my codependent, my kind of Hyper vigilant way of listening. I'm just yeah, I'm just wondering, like even any of my cast mates. I don't want to know if your fourth grade teacher was there.

3Speaker 3
11:01.14 – 11:03.46

You're gonna say I don't. I don't want to know if you're in the play tonight.

4Speaker 4
11:06.04 – 11:11.64

This is how I ended up with three kids. Yeah, people didn't want to know when I was coming. Hey, listen.

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Here's what I'm gonna do. I want to show you and I have so much respect for you as an artist. I'm like these. I do too. I'm like these guys.

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Jason's quiet, by the way, I'm not good. I'm not gonna tell you. I'm not gonna tell you when I'm gonna come to see this show. I'm not gonna come and see the show and I'm not gonna tell you afterwards. So you won't even know I was.

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Okay, cuz I respect that.

2Speaker 2
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Back to you. That was.

1Speaker 1
11:45.04 – 12:02.98

sir, how is that at the end? where you know? for for Tracy in Wisconsin it is. it is a practice, a habit, a an obligation for Anyone in the audience who knows a cast member, or even if you don't know them, You just happen to be famous. Jason's up with us.

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You are obligated to go backstage and introduce yourself to the cast and and visit for a bit, and if you Don't, apparently that's tantamount to giving it a bad review. And so, how do you like that? dance there at the end, where you're done with the play? you're exhausted and now you gotta socialize.

2Speaker 2
12:21.68 – 12:38.86

It's not my favorite. Yeah, although I will tell you, we've had a couple of Fancy famouses come and not come backstage, and we all collectively discuss that. we think it means that they didn't like it. Yeah, sure, but then we sort of think well, but think about it this way. So you're so famous.

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you think somehow that the cast, who you, whom you do not know, Wants you to come backstage and announce yourself to bequeath them. with that. You're great. It's arrogant, It's weird. So it's that you, there's no way to win.

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Yeah, you can't. but we have had discussions about. No, there was like some fancy person who came, who had worked with someone in the play, who didn't come back, and I was like Well, no, that is a communication that they just don't like you. Yeah, right, So, can I ask you if I maybe not the whole play, just you?

4Speaker 4
13:04.04 – 13:31.52

Yeah, if, if, if, before June 23rd, I find myself at the Tabasco Theatre. Yeah, and, and I've seen the play and I have and I've enjoyed it, and I'm the first one to my feet and my hands hurt from all the clapping Mm-hmm, and and I'm just and I'm hooting and hollering. and then there's the moment If you guys find out that I'm there and I don't come backstage, Are you, does you, do you and your cast want me there? and there's a thumbs up? I just want to make it really make a point of this.

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Do you guys, do you and your cast Apple device? Do you guys want me there or yeah?

2Speaker 2
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I think we would. we would discuss that. We thought Will Arnett didn't like the play. really. That's what we.

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that's what we would discuss.

4Speaker 4
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Yeah, what if he didn't? this is all I want.

1Speaker 1
13:46.44 – 14:01.72

But what if he doesn't like the play and he comes backstage and he and he lets you know He thinks he's got helpful notes for you. He says yeah. Yeah. No, I enjoyed it. However, like, has anyone come back there and popped off about how you can make it fucking better?

2Speaker 2
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That has not happened, although I would. I would kind of welcome it. actually, just Just simply so I could discuss it with other people about the average. I did do. I've got one.

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I will tell you, I did do a play once My last time I was on stage. I did a play called Talley's Folly at the roundabout and thank you for the applause And the actress, and I'm gonna say this, and I'm not gonna ask you to cut this out because I don't fucking care To the play. What's her name? Hi Trish. Hi, Trish, Trish Hawkins came to this play.

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Am I gonna get sued? I don't care, cuz I think this is outrageous. She came to the play, if it's true, and I proceeded. my mother brought her to the play. They were in some kind of like writing group together.

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My mother thought it'd be great to bring Trish Hawkins to the play. I mean, this is a whole other conversation about my mom. Hi, mom, but she came to the play, proceeded to say she looked at me and sort of up and down, and then she went hmm, your Dress is yellow. Mine was pink, and I thought, oh.

1Speaker 1
14:59.30 – 15:03.68

Did the character before you cut to two days later?

2Speaker 2
15:03.68 – 15:19.78

I got an email that was six pages long of notes and and a Communication to me about what she had done when she had done the play. Oh, she's correct. what she recommended I do. It was outrageous. Oh my, it was really outrageous.

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Trish Hawkins. I have not forgotten it and I hope to see you never.

1Speaker 1
15:22.78 – 15:28.84

You still have the letter. I have it. I do have. did you talk to your mother and say please delete her numbers?

2Speaker 2
15:29.20 – 15:33.86

I didn't. I sort of just you know, put it back in the file of things. My mother has done.

4Speaker 4
15:34.50 – 15:39.88

You need to save that, Sarah. Sarah, can I just say that I need to say something? neither. Yeah, if you don't mind.

2Speaker 2
15:39.88 – 15:40.62

Yeah, Okay.

4Speaker 4
15:40.62 – 15:51.58

I don't know you as well as these guys, and I have a I have a real feeling that you and I are gonna be Better friends than they could ever imagine. I love you for saying that so fucking much. Oh, yeah.

1Speaker 1
15:51.58 – 15:53.54

No, you two would be inseparable.

4Speaker 4
15:54.24 – 15:58.38

Sarah, I have all the time when people and when they fucking deserve it now.

2Speaker 2
15:58.38 – 16:16.88

This is the deal you Cannot come to. you want to if you're my dearest friend and we go have a cocktail or a. you know A little breadbasket, Jason, or some air that we might eat, Jason, but you know You might eat some air. Air is so tasty.

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How good it can be. But if you are a person that I love and admire and you and I say to you, tell me what you thought Really and give me some right, especially like early days previews or something. All right. Thank God. Okay.

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So here's okay.

3Speaker 3
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So here it is. So at the top of the show.

4Speaker 4
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But I would say this for Trish. I will say this for Trish, Sarah it's we have.

3Speaker 3
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here, by the way.

2Speaker 2
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My mom will probably trot her out. you try to bring her to the next play. by the way, all serum.

4Speaker 4
16:51.46 – 16:54.36

I also have a mom who says a lot of inappropriate stuff.

2Speaker 2
16:54.36 – 17:16.98

We all do, my mom also. my mom's gonna get so upset about this, but, like Cate Blanchett came to the play the same night that my mother came, same afternoon that my mother came and Margo Martindale came also, and all these people I love and I have long relationships with, and I've worked with Kate three times. I worked with Margo more than once and I, of course, was really happy to see them. and I was. I'm not saying I wasn't happy to see my mom, But it was like maybe the.

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the range was a little like yeah. Oh my god, Kate. Oh my god, Margo. And it was like hey mom. Hey mom.

1Speaker 1
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She didn't like that and I don't think she loved it.

2Speaker 2
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And I think her her her way. her retribution is to just give me like a little less than I hope for, Because because I got to keep in your place. It's just got to keep me a little. yeah, Yeah, and she was like, I mean, I know we're supposed to go out. I don't know why I'm making my mom sound like this, like Grand Dom of like Fifth Avenue or something.

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That's, she's really like the Grand Dom of what Woodstock. She's like a tambourine playing. Hey mom, I mean, I'm really sorry. I'm just disparaging you for my own comedy Interest, But it's reality. It's my reality.

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I'm allowed to talk about my reality, right? Yeah, why Hawkins my mom?

1Speaker 1
18:00.24 – 18:05.62

They belong, and poor Trish or Trish Trish. I love smartless. She's Every week.

4Speaker 4
18:08.02 – 18:17.82

About 25 million listeners per month. Trish is about to get the bombardment She never knew she deserves, by the way, the one she deserves. She brought it on. She's a yes.

2Speaker 2
18:17.82 – 18:24.84

Sona non grata, that email on Instagram faster than you can say. Trish Hawkins. We're gonna put it in the chat. Oh.

1Speaker 1
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And we will be right back.

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All right back to the show.

3Speaker 3
18:34.30 – 18:37.52

Sarah Paulson, I want to talk about the fear of flying. You're my hero.

1Speaker 1
18:37.52 – 18:42.54

Can I just say you're my hero and you haven't even gotten into your shared fear of flying? Oh.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah, yeah, we're best friends. your birthday hate to be, not to be to Amanda Anka about it, but when's your birthday?

4Speaker 4
18:49.54 – 18:55.56

God, we're even better for May 4th. May 4th. Yeah. Okay, 4th of May. All right.

1Speaker 1
18:55.56 – 18:57.08

What sign is that?

2Speaker 2
18:57.84 – 19:00.78

Taurus of the Taurus, and what's your rising? Do we know what you're rising?

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Gemini. oh Yeah, what's your, what's, what's your moon? I'm a Sagittarius with a Virgo rising in an Aquarius moon. So, huh, you know, do with that. when you believe in all that stuff, I don't, I mean I don't know enough about it.

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I do kind of think it's a thing. But anyway, the fear of flying is Very real. Yeah for me. Yeah, There's a lot of weeping that happens if there's a tiny pocket of like. really you'll go right into, right into the crying, The grabbing, the stranger next to me.

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I know you guys haven't been on a commercial airplane in a very long time.

4Speaker 4
19:34.00 – 19:38.58

But if you, that's not true, I was on a Falcon last week.

1Speaker 1
19:39.86 – 19:43.72

Is that not? he doesn't. he doesn't like the Falcons.

2Speaker 2
19:46.38 – 19:49.02

Planes are even scarier to me. I don't enjoy it.

1Speaker 1
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more room for us.

4Speaker 4
19:51.22 – 20:12.10

Sir, I want to talk, so you. yeah, here's my thing about pilots and I love hearing that you like to meet the pilot before. What I do is I like to say the pilots what, how we looking right for a journey? Because what I don't enjoy is if you get on a flight and you have a bunch of turbulence and the pilot doesn't say he Doesn't come over the correct. if it's the lack of communication.

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I can't just just go. Hey, just run in the middle turbulence, It's not a big deal. We're all good, We're blah, blah, blah, blah, but you know.

3Speaker 3
20:19.80 – 20:25.60

But that's a but. sir, do you have this too? Cuz? I have a little bit of this to the second year. that, and the right before the pilot speaks.

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you're like, oh Jesus, What is this gonna be? makes me sweat? Like, yeah, they should come on beforehand, right?

2Speaker 2
20:31.50 – 20:44.90

We've got. we got some bumps coming up. give you a lay of the land, Which is why I like to talk to them, because I say the same thing how we looking. they often pull up the iPad with The root and they show me where the pockets of potential weather. They show me this is there on Delta United.

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I like it. I like Delta. Delta, Delta sponsors.

4Speaker 4
20:49.39 – 21:02.40

Well, you know what it is, you know why, cuz. you know what it is this communicate? This is a relationship and in the relationships really work with communication. So you need to have this communication. Hey, You can't grow up, Sean, for a second, then take five.

21:02.46 – 21:04.12

Okay, cuz, Sarah, talking about relationship.

1Speaker 1
21:04.12 – 21:12.60

You back on a tight side, Sarah, why don't you? why don't you fucking? when's the last time you had a bunch of passengers? stop by the cockpit and ask for.

3Speaker 3
21:12.60 – 21:15.58

No, what, Jason? when you walk on the cockpit, you open. it's right there.

1Speaker 1
21:15.58 – 21:20.54

Yeah, but if everybody stopped and asked to look at the iPad for the routing, look at the iPad.

2Speaker 2
21:20.54 – 21:32.68

I'm asking how we're doing, and they often pull out the iPad as a way of saying here what, here's what we're doing. I asked them how the plane looks. who did the checkout like? who went around and checked out the plane? I want to know how long they've been flying.

1Speaker 1
21:32.68 – 21:38.20

Yeah, I want a little hint as to what. what chair the Marshall sitting in just for fun. Sometimes I've done that.

3Speaker 3
21:38.20 – 21:42.78

What if it's Sarah? What if you're like how long I've been flying in some 20 year old? He's like I'm just flown for one week.

2Speaker 2
21:44.20 – 21:48.52

Well, I want you to know that it's literally every, every single pilot joke that is made to me every time I asked him.

1Speaker 1
21:48.52 – 21:50.18

Look host. today's the first day. I'm like.

2Speaker 2
21:50.78 – 21:51.96

Not funny at all.

21:53.62 – 22:00.72

Yeah, and sometimes there are, you know, the young coat. the copilot has fewer years and fewer hours, how about this?

1Speaker 1
22:00.72 – 22:16.10

how about? I don't like to meet the pilots, because if I meet the pilots, it becomes too human to me and I don't like To imagine the fact that a human being is even possible. It's not this. you can't fly a plane Like I like to see. you trust a robot more than a human.

22:17.16 – 22:22.70

Human, intelligent people up there that wouldn't even spend a minute with me, like they're doing adult work up there.

4Speaker 4
22:22.70 – 22:32.86

He sits down. He sits in a seat and he plugged, and he plugs a type-c Plug into the side of his head and that goes into the side of the plane and then he just power down.

1Speaker 1
22:39.20 – 22:49.44

In five hours. so, Sarah, are you also? Type of gal likes to chat with the uber driver. Nope. Don't want to talk to the uber driver.

22:49.44 – 22:52.86

You have that already clicked on your profile there. No, no.

2Speaker 2
22:52.86 – 23:03.78

I don't. I did see that, but I thought that was rude. to click on it to make a point. I click on it to Make it like a rule for them. Yeah, I'd rather just let my my, my behavior and my demeanor communicate.

3Speaker 3
23:03.78 – 23:08.20

So if you, if you got in the uber and the guy started asking a question, you would just stop him and say check my profile.

1Speaker 1
23:08.72 – 23:19.84

Right. Well, yeah, no exactly. I mean. think about the kind of vibe you got to kick out to him. That's true, to get him to be quiet is more rude than him being pre-warned that this person's not up for a conversation.

2Speaker 2
23:19.84 – 23:26.66

I think I feel really Uncomfortable in general in an in a car where someone's driving, I have to chat senselessly.

3Speaker 3
23:26.66 – 23:30.22

Just what if there was a box for smart list and you just checked it. I'd rather not chat today.

23:31.92 – 23:32.32

So.

4Speaker 4
23:33.24 – 23:37.48

If they tried talking me. I was there was good. Why will you do? and I just go? sorry man.

23:37.50 – 23:38.84

My leprosy is flaring up.

3Speaker 3
23:41.98 – 23:55.06

So I love this stuff because you, you're not only afraid of flying, but clowns, sharks, bees, and then you have What do you write for phobia? try before I have that type of phobia, I can't trip it.

2Speaker 2
23:55.06 – 24:01.76

I don't actually know how it's pronounced like. Jason doesn't know about appropriate. appropriate, but it's it's trip a phobia. try for phobia, I don't know.

24:04.66 – 24:21.84

It's probably. no, it's not fear of trip to fan, it's fear of holes, it's fear of like holes. so like, it's Like a group of holes. So like, if you like, a group of grouping, a whole grouping I've heard this before, like a natural sponge, makes me like actually I have to or a coral reef not interested.

3Speaker 3
24:21.84 – 24:23.92

What about it? What about an English muffin?

4Speaker 4
24:24.86 – 24:28.38

No, it's not. I mean those are nooks and crannies. Those aren't holes.

2Speaker 2
24:30.32 – 24:38.76

Those are nooks and crannies, Sean. Swiss cheese wrecks your night. No, because they're not close enough together. It's about when they're packed tight, right? So a loofah.

24:38.88 – 24:57.10

No, thank you, I don't like a loofah at all. So, so what's the reaction? and what it makes me? it makes my skin crawl and I have to like. I have to run away, and Ryan Murphy decided that this was so funny that he decided to make a Season of American Horror Story about a character that I played, who was who had this disorder.

24:57.10 – 25:03.04

So then I was constantly, all day long, having to look at these things and run from them, clowns as well, and things, you know.

4Speaker 4
25:03.04 – 25:04.44

That sounds like bullying. That's a.

1Speaker 1
25:05.72 – 25:10.00

Decade, you passed your fears or did it make it worse? It just it just.

2Speaker 2
25:10.66 – 25:21.40

It kept it at a steady, at a steady, Steady place. I kept it on high, but the bee thing, you know, I've never been not to bring up my mother again, But my mom, you know, that's what this is about. She locked me outside.

25:23.58 – 25:45.26

One day my mother determined That the bees would be should be something I should get comfortable with, because you know, obviously they do a lot for our planet. They're wonderful. They're great. I Had never done when I was, yeah, exactly dirty hippie. And so I, I had not been stung at that point and I still, at the ripe old age of 49, have not been stung, Baby, because I will drop a baby.

25:45.36 – 25:53.48

I'm not kidding. I will. I will drop a baby, a tiny baby, and Be, I'm not kidding. I cannot be afraid of it. I'm really.

25:53.48 – 25:55.42

you are not. Are you really? Oh, yeah.

1Speaker 1
25:55.42 – 26:01.10

I really don't like. it's my kryptonite. I'm allergic. Have you been stung, though? I've been stung twice.

26:01.18 – 26:01.72

I think.

2Speaker 2
26:01.72 – 26:08.44

No, I might be making it into something that is, or I'm actually definitely allergic, and it's my, you know.

1Speaker 1
26:08.44 – 26:28.28

No, mine's gotten less as I as I've gotten older, but I, the thing for me is that I you, can't feel them when they land on you, and so the shock of the sting is just gonna come out of nowhere, as opposed to, You know, if I'm like if I'm in a fight with a bee, and he gets better of me.

3Speaker 3
26:28.96 – 26:33.62

I'm not gonna be. you know, I'm gonna get what if you had one super tiny boxing gloves on and they did?

1Speaker 1
26:34.82 – 26:37.96

That's a great idea showing stupid fucking dick.

4Speaker 4
26:39.66 – 26:55.56

You guys want to hear my my ultimate king, my ultimate fantasy, and I'm gonna tell anyway, oh, here we go. It's I'm getting stung by a bee. I'm sitting on a big sponge Going through turbulence with clowns. I'm going to turbulence. Yeah, with a clown pipe, with a clown pilot.

27:00.34 – 27:00.94

Pretty good.

1Speaker 1
27:04.68 – 27:10.18

All right, Sean, sorry, fucking questions, 40 minutes into this thing. You have an answer.

4Speaker 4
27:12.72 – 27:14.72

For you, you've got nothing.

3Speaker 3
27:17.22 – 27:29.30

But I like this stuff more interesting because everybody knows who you are, everybody knows your work. so and I want to talk about that. but I want to talk about your tattoos first, because You have a lot of them and I want to know. I did not know the freak on our hands.

2Speaker 2
27:29.30 – 27:30.72

I like a lot of

4Speaker 4
27:36.18 – 27:41.26

I'm just saying yesterday. I was just saying nothing says don't hire me like a neck tattoo.

27:45.46 – 27:45.86

Yeah,

1Speaker 1
27:46.58 – 27:50.74

Well, it doesn't have them on the neck. I have one on the back of my neck, oh, yeah.

4Speaker 4
27:51.40 – 28:03.10

It's the face forward. It's the face tattoos and the neck tattoos. It's like and I'm sure they're people like you're looking like the comments like well, you neck tattoo saved my life, I don't care, but.

3Speaker 3
28:06.88 – 28:16.40

On your right forearm, he says I love this. This is Stephen Sondheim. I know that Jason's gonna make fun of this. Okay, but I love it. Does it say I'm just a storyteller.

28:16.46 – 28:16.86

No,

1Speaker 1
28:18.34 – 28:19.10

You're safe.

3Speaker 3
28:19.94 – 28:24.72

It's. you want to say what it is you you want to. you want to say it you. I want to say it because I Love it. It's from.

28:24.72 – 28:29.16

it's from Sunday in the park with George, right? Five, six, seven, eight, anything you do.

28:33.76 – 28:37.16

Anything you do, let it come from you, then it will be new.

2Speaker 2
28:38.90 – 28:45.32

Yeah, see, Jason hates it. I love it. It's now this guy. Can I punch it up a little bit? Is it too late?

28:45.60 – 28:48.88

Well, it's temporary. He might have an opinion. No, it's temporary. It's it's.

1Speaker 1
28:49.44 – 28:49.88

I.

2Speaker 2
28:51.26 – 29:03.86

Could add to it, but there was actually a line that I took out of it because I thought it was too Pompous, what's that? What was it? Which was give them more to see, as if I could do something like that.

4Speaker 4
29:03.86 – 29:05.84

So how would, so, how would the quote have been go?

2Speaker 2
29:05.90 – 29:15.56

It would have been anything you do. let it come from you. Then it will be new. give them more to see. this is a musical about George Seurat, the painter Mandy Patinkin played.

29:15.56 – 29:27.34

Bernadette Peters did, and it's basically Her singing to him. It's a song from a song like inspiring him move on, you know, get it, get out of your sort of really. That's a bit is a beautiful. get out of your rut, your artistic rut.

4Speaker 4
29:27.34 – 29:35.58

And it's nice. if you want to, kind of, if you want to sort of, take it away, take away a little bit, so it doesn't. So it doesn't seem too pompous. You could just put comma JK.

3Speaker 3
29:42.00 – 29:46.94

All right, let's get into Sarah Paulson and how you started, and I want to know like.

1Speaker 1
29:47.10 – 29:50.06

I'm so sorry about your decision today with us. Yeah.

3Speaker 3
29:51.44 – 29:57.46

Florida. right? We're in Florida, Tampa, Florida. You were born. How old were you when you moved to me, born in Tampa, Florida?

2Speaker 2
29:58.32 – 30:02.40

We moved to Maine when I was in the. how old are you in the second grade seven?

1Speaker 1
30:03.46 – 30:03.82

Yeah,

2Speaker 2
30:04.58 – 30:14.46

There in second grade, but we moved to New York. first It was New York when I was five, and then Maine, and then back to New York and then Maine, and then I went back To Florida, then back to New York, where I'm Lord a lot of places.

3Speaker 3
30:14.46 – 30:24.50

My mom was a young, young mom. You're. this is fascinating. Your mom worked at Sardi's on Broadway, which is right next to the First job. when she's crazy, I mean.

30:24.50 – 30:27.92

was she an actress as well. No, a writer. Oh.

4Speaker 4
30:27.92 – 30:29.86

Wow, and she was a young mom.

2Speaker 2
30:30.42 – 30:37.84

21. she had me at 21 and my sister at 23. so, you know, We can kind of forgive the Trish Hawkins situation because, like she, doesn't know what to do.

1Speaker 1
30:38.54 – 30:41.16

And and and daddy, if you don't mind me asking.

2Speaker 2
30:42.42 – 30:53.84

No in the picture still in Florida. Really, you know, were they ever? were they ever married? They were married. They were married very briefly, Uh-huh, divorced by the time I was two and my sister was ten months old.

30:53.84 – 30:55.70

still could have been your fault, though. Sorry.

1Speaker 1
30:55.70 – 30:59.46

Yeah, definitely, if you were colicky or something like that.

2Speaker 2
30:59.46 – 31:04.72

Yeah, he was like God. this colicky baby always wanted to sing these Annie's. Uh-huh.

3Speaker 3
31:05.48 – 31:09.02

Wait, so, sir, so tell me about that story, about your mom.

31:15.28 – 31:21.60

About your mom seeing a psychic at some point and telling what and saying I knew you were gonna say that No, your mom when you were kid.

2Speaker 2
31:21.60 – 31:44.70

my mom went to a psychic when she was, when I guess I was, I was young, and She said something like, you know, your daughter's going to live a really Non-traditional life. Yeah, and she's not gonna do things sort of by the book. and did she tell you? that's what the psychic said? She told me that, but after I was older and fell in love with a woman, and then she was like well, I have the psychic tell me that this was gonna happen.

31:44.70 – 31:49.30

Right, right. That was sort of living a non-traditional life, which you know, not the acting part.

3Speaker 3
31:49.30 – 31:55.58

You know the acting part exactly, and so, but you, but you knew at such a young age because you went to the fame school.

1Speaker 1
31:55.58 – 32:00.62

Fame wait, didn't, Aniston didn't, and I said went there. Yeah. Yeah. Were you guys in the same class? No?

2Speaker 2
32:00.62 – 32:03.98

No, she graduated a little bit before I did. Oh.

1Speaker 1
32:05.02 – 32:06.96

We will cut that out we.

4Speaker 4
32:06.96 – 32:11.44

Cut it. We're gonna fucking loop it and we're gonna send it to Jen.

2Speaker 2
32:13.08 – 32:18.94

It's just. these are just the facts. this is not, you know, it's not a. I mean nobody looks better than Jennifer Aniston. That's a fact.

3Speaker 3
32:20.06 – 32:26.70

No, so wait, Sarah, so so, you're so your mom, but your sister's a casting director.

2Speaker 2
32:26.70 – 32:33.46

You're an actress, brothers and sisters. I have another sister. My dad remarried. I have a half-sister named Rachel. We don't know what she does.

32:33.88 – 32:38.46

Okay, but why teaches acting classes that she I mean, I'm literally? is this true?

1Speaker 1
32:38.86 – 32:41.36

We can cut the whole episode. Okay, sir.

2Speaker 2
32:42.14 – 32:53.46

I mean Everybody. so come on, everyone gets it to LA and then my sister. So here's the truth, and everybody has this in a family. I think to some degree. I mean, I don't know what your stories are.

32:53.48 – 33:28.96

And frankly, I don't care, but I Normal, but I'm just saying I I wanted to be an actress from the time I feel like when I was in utero, like it feels like I came out of the womb wanting to do this. Yeah, my siblings, I think, had more I Think less of a clear idea about what that particular passion was and are probably better at a lot of things, Whereas I have one thing that I can do, you know, where's my sister's? Graded math and all this other shit that I can't do, right? But I mean, I don't think it's that Strange, is it? or maybe it is like are all of your siblings like none?

33:28.96 – 33:33.98

not, why five? there I have three other brothers, and as if they all know what they wanted to be, whatever it was.

3Speaker 3
33:33.98 – 33:40.28

I have had a yeah, my sister did a little bit. She knew she wanted to be a cop. She was, are you kidding?

2Speaker 2
33:40.34 – 33:41.48

Your sister's a cop. Yeah,

4Speaker 4
33:42.14 – 33:50.96

Yeah, well, she was not anymore. She'll kick your ass. She was she, by the way, Sean's sister. yesterday I got it. I want to say this to Tracy Tracy lives in Wisconsin, Tracy.

33:51.12 – 33:53.34

Listen up you, a beautiful red.

1Speaker 1
33:53.34 – 33:54.36

beautiful red.

4Speaker 4
33:55.26 – 34:06.24

Wisconsin go badgers golf shirt. Yeah, it was very generous and very and with a beautiful note, Mm-hmm, that was so nice and and and I was a very nice person.

1Speaker 1
34:07.44 – 34:12.58

Why she deserves what you're saying behind the scenes always.

4Speaker 4
34:15.90 – 34:20.20

He is a wonderful person. anyway, I want to give her another shot, Sean.

3Speaker 3
34:21.22 – 34:26.56

So, and by the way, Sarah, do you play golf? if you play golf? Also, I have my sister send you a shirt. I don't. I don't.

34:26.56 – 34:30.22

okay, great, moving on, still want the shirt. Is that? yeah, no, for that's okay. I still I sleep in it.

2Speaker 2
34:30.22 – 34:32.22

okay, great, and.

4Speaker 4
34:32.78 – 34:34.52

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34:37.66 – 34:39.98

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3Speaker 3
34:40.88 – 34:47.30

So wait, I want to know about About Holland. you're the love of your life. Well, it's.

4Speaker 4
34:49.67 – 34:54.44

Belgium, just south of Denmark, are considered part of the Benelux countries.

34:56.76 – 34:57.16

I.

3Speaker 3
34:57.16 – 35:03.30

Want to know the fun story, because I know a little bit of it, But you were at a dinner party and you hope she wouldn't be sat next to you or something.

2Speaker 2
35:03.30 – 35:36.46

And then, yeah, you know she, I went to this dinner party that a friend of mine Hosted, where it was really kind of for Buck Henry who was there, and it was a well, Yeah, it's a wild night and I was at this dinner's long, long table. There was one empty seat and Holland Taylor comes, sort of, you know, Bustling in and her hair, just like throwing her hair back and just, oh god, sorry, I'm late, which you know. late people, when they're really that late, It does end up making it sort of all about them when they arrive, you know. So she was really doing a like kind of grand.

35:38.82 – 36:11.52

We all and I looked up and I thought that is really a very beautiful person and I found her to be intimidating. She's really smart and has a kind of formidable presence, And it's incredibly talented. and I just I was, I was young at the time, guys. I was 30, 5, Wow, and she sat down next to me and I thought oh god. and then, you know, We just chatted a little while and then really never saw each other again, Except for on the back lot where I was doing studio 60 at Warner Brothers, and she was shooting two-and-a-half men.

36:12.24 – 36:19.60

And she rolled her window down and said hey, blondie. Do you need a ride? She said to me. I'll do that, right, and I was like, oh Uh.

36:21.60 – 36:37.40

I'm okay. I can walk to stage 19 myself, and we never saw each other again, And then we ended up doing a little a little PSA for Martha Plimpton's Abortion. It's not going well, guys.

4Speaker 4
36:38.70 – 36:50.74

By the way, by the way, I know this is the story about how you and Holland got together. Yeah, for me, It's the details of it, or the fucking me, they're really the meat of it And the Martha Plimpton.

36:52.76 – 36:57.24

This is like the fucking Olympia me. this is incredible, yeah.

2Speaker 2
36:57.24 – 37:15.20

She has an organization called a is for which is an abortion reproductive rights organization, and she asked us to do this PSA. so we, Holland and I happened to arrive on the same day. Holland was getting ready to come to New York to do her production of Anne, Which she wrote that was gonna be done at Lincoln Center about governor and Richards.

1Speaker 1
37:15.20 – 37:18.36

There's a one of the prequel to Annie. Is it not? Yeah?

2Speaker 2
37:19.30 – 37:22.08

probably Annie like when. Annie like finally.

1Speaker 1
37:23.20 – 37:24.16

She grows up.

3Speaker 3
37:25.64 – 37:28.94

Yeah, there's a really hard-knock life before. Yeah, exactly hard-knock life.

2Speaker 2
37:29.50 – 37:50.80

Yeah, and and and we saw each other there and then we followed each other on Twitter and I literally DM ter when I was shooting In New Orleans. Yeah, I slid into Holland Taylor's DMS Wow, Look at that. and then I sent a picture of her to a friend of mine and I was like, can I date a 70 year old woman, right? Mm-hmm. And my friend was like Absolutely, not, and I'm just kidding.

37:50.90 – 37:57.72

She was like, yes, you can. she was like fuck. No, are you insane? And I was like, I think I'm gonna do it. I think I'm gonna fucking do it.

1Speaker 1
37:57.72 – 38:03.32

Why not? and so you guys have now been together for almost 10 years, not over, so awesome. That's amazing.

2Speaker 2
38:03.32 – 38:07.38

That's so cool. 19 years. No, nine years. I'm 66.

4Speaker 4
38:07.38 – 38:08.10

Okay,

3Speaker 3
38:09.44 – 38:12.52

She's a hundred and ten. She's a hundred and ten. I.

1Speaker 1
38:12.52 – 38:24.82

Love being around you guys, too. You can just tell how like comfy you guys are. Yeah, each other there is one plus one, making three. Yeah, just, you're both individuals, but you got the overlap.

2Speaker 2
38:24.82 – 38:27.68

I mean, yeah, we don't live together. That's the sort of secret, you know.

4Speaker 4
38:28.36 – 38:31.50

Sean's married to a man. I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

38:31.50 – 38:31.70

Yeah.

1Speaker 1
38:32.20 – 38:33.86

They don't sleep together either.

2Speaker 2
38:33.86 – 38:39.78

You, the Holland and I. we spend plenty of time together, but we don't live in the same house.

4Speaker 4
38:39.78 – 38:50.46

No, talk to me a little bit about that. I'm not. tell me about that. a little bit and again, okay, This is, I'm divulging too much, but I said to Alessandra recently who also you'd like her touch. She has a lot of great tattoos.

38:50.72 – 38:53.14

Yeah, and Yeah,

38:55.80 – 39:11.12

I said to her recently, we started talking about the idea of Separate beds Yeah, which is, and somebody wrote this, not in the same room. Somebody wrote this thing. She sent it to. she sent me this article because I kind of joked about it. Yeah, because sleep is so important.

39:11.12 – 39:17.94

We're big sleepers. We're 915 in betters. And so yeah, yeah, and that's why I, that's why I am 65.

39:19.68 – 39:43.36

So, and I'm taking the words out of your, I feel like I'm cutting you off. no, you're right. no, she didn't say okay, Okay, but Sleeping hookers, No, but but we start talking about this idea and in so then we made a joke and we're not gonna do it. But this joke about like living separately, living in another house. There is a certain Wisdom to it on on some levels, right?

2Speaker 2
39:43.76 – 39:49.18

I, I mean we've even together for a long time now, and I think part of it has to do with we're together when we.

3Speaker 3
39:49.18 – 40:00.20

Want to be, and we're not when we don't. and yeah, but couldn't you? but instead of just challenging it, I'm ready. instead of living in separate Dwellings, what about just living together?

2Speaker 2
40:00.30 – 40:09.60

But then sleeping in separate rooms or no? because my favorite thing to do, we fall asleep holding hands, Holland and I. we sleep. I'm holding hands like we're. we're very, I don't?

40:09.60 – 40:13.22

I like to sleep near her. I don't want to be around her the rest.

40:18.08 – 40:48.32

I'm like you can go, But No, I mean it. I think we both, you know, Holland Before me had not been in a ton of long-term relationships. Whereas Holland is my sort of third You know more more than five-year relationship. So so I tend to do that and have more experience doing that. Holland has it, and so her life and to get to be her age and sort of not Having really cohabitated with someone for a long time.

40:48.34 – 40:54.12

I think it was a lot Just sort of all of a sudden have me and all my meanness in her right space.

1Speaker 1
40:54.12 – 41:01.34

But if you live separate days, you've got something to talk about, right Canada. Are you from if you live separate days?

41:02.86 – 41:17.78

I think that you know Like well, I spent a bunch of time away, as you guys do as well when you're working, and it's it's kind of. it's nice To be able to fill your partner in on that which they have not experienced with you. It gives you something to fucking talk about. you were gonna go somewhere else with that.

4Speaker 4
41:17.78 – 41:22.74

Honestly, it's my. one of my favorite things is to come home after a long time and fill my partner in.

2Speaker 2
41:22.74 – 41:33.86

Cuz, I was gonna make the same joke and I just want you to know that that was the joke I was gonna make, and I appreciate you will, and I appreciate that. I'm not the only one with the mind the size of a tiny pea. know what I.

1Speaker 1
41:35.60 – 41:41.52

Know, Sean, I will recommend to you something that Amanda and I do is that we do share the same.

41:43.54 – 41:53.62

The same bed, but we have two different duvets. Therefore, when she rolls over, or I roll over where there's not a duvet drag, that wakes up the other person.

3Speaker 3
41:54.28 – 42:02.34

But, but my, but Jay, my thing is snoring because do you start? or, Scotty? He could bring down a building right and and I you know.

1Speaker 1
42:02.34 – 42:12.34

Do what Amanda does. you just slide your hand underneath the shoulder just a little bit, create a little bit of a wedge and they Roll over. you get that guy on his stomach and he's not gonna snore. What about earplugs?

4Speaker 4
42:12.80 – 42:15.14

Nobody gets a guy on his stomach like JB.

42:16.98 – 42:24.12

Hey, hey, you know what. you know what. the snoring is a real thing. and does Scotty have a?

3Speaker 3
42:24.70 – 42:35.86

CPAP machine. does he know he's gonna get it like the newest, the greatest ladies, He's gonna try it, but he also has what I what we call the pot of life on his arm because of diabetes. Yeah, so what that means? he can't roll over. Well, then he's like light.

42:36.02 – 42:37.32

It's on his shoulder. So then he's like.

4Speaker 4
42:37.32 – 42:39.54

Hey, do they not have lemon laws in California?

1Speaker 1
42:41.66 – 42:43.52

You still got the receipt on that guy, right.

42:50.42 – 42:53.02

That's funny. anything else on the list, John.

3Speaker 3
42:53.84 – 42:54.28

Well,

42:55.92 – 43:00.96

can I? can I move on to the career or no, hey wait, Sarah's not done alienating more people in her personal life.

1Speaker 1
43:02.88 – 43:08.04

You've got. you've got a minute 20 seconds left to ask a fucking question. I got wait.

2Speaker 2
43:08.04 – 43:14.56

No, we're just getting started. Sarah. This is. I'm here all day, right? Like I, I've got a ration of food here.

4Speaker 4
43:15.28 – 43:20.40

We've got a double book. if you're not, if we're, if this interview is over, I'm facetiming you, because this is good.

3Speaker 3
43:21.66 – 43:35.76

Wait, I want to know. like you, I was gonna go through all your stage stuff. What, like you, did the glass menagerie opposite Jessica Lange? you were honest in a show with Jessica Lange That's so amazing and didn't write. Ryan Murphy see that, and that's how he cast you in American Horror Story.

43:35.76 – 43:38.60

Or did he see you some in something else? Yeah, what's going on with you and Ryan?

1Speaker 1
43:38.68 – 43:44.54

What kind of, what kind of stuff do you have on him? And will we ever see I got, I got, I got nothing on Ryan.

2Speaker 2
43:44.54 – 43:49.94

Ryan's an open book man. you everything I got on Ryan, you know about Ryan, you know, you know, I've never met him.

3Speaker 3
43:49.94 – 43:53.26

I'd like to. you've never met him. No, I don't think I have either. I met him.

1Speaker 1
43:53.26 – 43:56.86

Maybe you're keeping them all to yourself. Why don't you share him with us for Christ?

2Speaker 2
43:57.08 – 44:21.26

I share him, but I love him. He's, you know, it's been very, very good to me. Oh, like the first person in my working life. I felt who really Saw me, you know, like he continued to say I'm not. I don't know why I always use sports analogies, analogies, when I don't watch any sports, but he Continually threw me the ball, just always, and thought I could do things I didn't even know I could do.

44:21.26 – 44:29.70

and so for me, He's just an absolute hero in my life, both as a friend and a person. you, and so you really felt, seen, I really felt, Seen, well, you know.

3Speaker 3
44:29.70 – 44:33.86

But then, like Nicole Wallace, and game change.

44:35.42 – 44:39.20

Fucking phenomenal, absolutely incredible in that way, Nicole Wallace.

2Speaker 2
44:39.20 – 44:45.76

I played Nicole Wallace before. Nicole Wallace, like, was the MSNBC. Yeah, she's my hero. Yeah, I got a.

3Speaker 3
44:46.80 – 44:47.68

player she's.

2Speaker 2
44:48.56 – 44:57.24

Unbelievable performance, incredible. What is it more played? It was when Julianne Moore played. played Sarah Palin. This was that HBO thing where Ed Harris played McCain and Julianne Moore played.

1Speaker 1
44:57.24 – 45:02.48

You literally played Nicole Wallace. I did. no way. Did you ever meet her? Oh, yeah.

45:02.82 – 45:08.12

Oh, yeah. No way, I'm such a big fan of hers. I watch her every single day.

2Speaker 2
45:08.12 – 45:13.26

It was a very, very traumatic thing that happened. I mean you should watch them. You should watch Sean's right. You should watch. it's amazing.

45:13.42 – 45:15.04

What's it called game change?

1Speaker 1
45:15.70 – 45:16.10

Okay,

2Speaker 2
45:16.72 – 45:27.12

She was really traumatized by the whole thing, the Sarah Palin thing. It was really yeah, But yeah, yeah. so much so that she didn't vote for her own candidate. She didn't vote for John, She couldn't vote because of it, Wow.

3Speaker 3
45:27.12 – 45:33.88

It was really wild. and then, when you played, when you played Marcia Clark phenomenal and the OJ Simpsons thing, you know.

1Speaker 1
45:33.88 – 45:41.56

Actually, I've got a couple of notes on that one. You got a couple notes. Yeah, are you guys locked on that? because if so, I won't. I won't give you the notes.

45:41.56 – 45:48.84

Okay, you should probably not, because it's no, you were. yeah, I don't. I don't think I can safely say you've never sucked ever.

2Speaker 2
45:48.84 – 45:53.56

Yeah, never been bad. Yeah, I got a couple of things in my closet that I think you'd be like.

1Speaker 1
45:55.32 – 45:58.66

Three-quarter inch tape, right? Not even in the day.

4Speaker 4
45:59.42 – 46:07.48

Yeah, fucking guys. I just kind of just get a little bit of credit. You got to go. No, I didn't jump in when I was teed up with, sucked in in the closet and I.

46:12.32 – 46:18.98

Sat here like a good fucking joke, you know, but you're a friend. Yeah, I didn't say anything.

3Speaker 3
46:18.98 – 46:29.42

I'm sorry. I said I read that after the OJ thing, Marsh Clark, you couldn't watch yourself anymore. Is that true? And why yeah, what? Yeah, I can't watch myself.

2Speaker 2
46:29.42 – 46:37.28

No, I well, I actually decided to. I Think. for me, the Marsha Clark thing was the first time I had done anything where I felt.

46:38.90 – 46:55.88

So much connectivity to Marsha, the person, and so much. It just was the first time there. there felt like a real creepy actress II, kind of Melding of like, almost like a visitation where you've been sort of embodied by a person. You don't know. I mean, how it happened.

46:55.88 – 47:00.76

I'm waiting for your joke wheel about being embodied by you. don't got one. He's writing it. Let's be patient.

47:03.02 – 47:30.32

That's okay, it's just an opportunity missed. it's not a big deal, but um, but it was the most Connected I ever felt to anything I'd ever done professionally. and I thought if I watch this and also it was in Conjunction with the most celebrated I had ever been about my work. And so I think I thought, if I watch this and everybody thinks it's great and I hate it, I'm gonna sort of ruin my experience that I'm having. that has never happened to me before of feeling really.

3Speaker 3
47:30.32 – 47:32.04

Like. I understand. you know what I mean?

2Speaker 2
47:32.12 – 47:46.50

Like. I just thought I'm gonna go in there with my hypercritical way and tear this apart, and that would be a shame, because this is the first time I I Feel like anyone's giving a shit about my work or what I'm doing, And so I thought I should try to enjoy it, and then I just kept it. Yeah, you should check it out.

3Speaker 3
47:46.50 – 47:48.42

It's pretty fantastic, all of it.

4Speaker 4
47:48.42 – 47:53.56

But and you should also remember that nobody's gonna be more critical about your work than Trisha.

2Speaker 2
47:54.22 – 47:58.72

Trish Hawkins, I'm surprised I haven't gotten an email from her, like already everything that's ever come out.

1Speaker 1
47:59.08 – 48:02.40

So is that still your policy is to not not watch your work?

2Speaker 2
48:02.86 – 48:10.62

Yes, except for when I have been EPing things, I do watch it, but I try to watch it in a kind of right away, where you know, cuz I'm giving no.

1Speaker 1
48:10.62 – 48:14.74

Well, you're depriving yourself of incredible performances, but that's just me.

3Speaker 3
48:14.74 – 48:26.32

But but, and this, I have one last thing. and then I'm gonna like we're all gonna let you go. So Nicole Wallace, Marcia Clark and then Linda Tripp. crazy transformation, incredible, didn't look. you completely disappeared as Linda Tripp.

48:26.32 – 48:38.90

That wasn't. and so are you. I'm watching your career from outside going. Oh, she's so phenomenal at At playing as a character actress. Is that your go-to comfort zone?

48:39.14 – 48:42.32

I feel like the vanity component of this.

2Speaker 2
48:43.22 – 49:13.04

Industries, particularly for women, but for men, for all of us like. I feel so hyper focused on this shit the face and the body in the hair and the weight, and the thing in the wrinkles, and all this shit that Definitely feel a kind of freedom. when I can hide behind These other things, whether it's Marcia's wig or Linda's, the prosthetics to play Linda and I can, I can hide. It's a, it's a way of hiding that I that I think ultimately died. She did die.

49:13.14 – 49:16.18

She died right before we started. She no way. Yeah, Wow.

3Speaker 3
49:16.18 – 49:25.34

Wait, sir, before we go. before we go, I just want to know, because you're a creature of the theater like I am super fast, funny, Tragic theater story. anything happened either in this play.

2Speaker 2
49:26.00 – 49:40.82

Theater story. I mean, I don't know if there's a more tragic story than getting notes from an actress who played a play 30 years ago, but Funny that like something going on there. Well, two things happened recently, which is, you know, in the play which you guys saw. will you? we can discuss this later At the be.

49:40.82 – 50:04.44

in the first act of the play I am having an argument with the black sheep of the family played by Michael Esper, who great the great Great, my brother who I think he's incredible and he's a great chorus doll. And I leave the room in a big huff and I'm very upset and I've just blown up and screamed at everybody and I leave The stage to slam the door and his line is what happened to her and someone from the balcony went you.

50:10.96 – 50:19.82

That was kind of cool the other day. Which is, I've never experienced that and I don't know if you ever have either, Sean. But we had an actress get sick in act one and then the understudy went on for act two.

3Speaker 3
50:19.82 – 50:21.96

I've. that's never happened, but I've never happened.

2Speaker 2
50:21.96 – 50:27.14

It was like days of our lives or something We're like. someone was decapitated in season 4 and in season 10 they came out with it.

3Speaker 3
50:27.14 – 50:29.30

You have to make an announcement, or you just did it. Yeah,

2Speaker 2
50:30.02 – 50:44.14

Yeah, they make an announcement and everyone just clapped. and there's something very special about the theater. We're like people are willing to believe Anything you do up there, as long as you kind of commit to that right world and you and you like a pilot, good pilot. Let them know what the fuck is going on.

4Speaker 4
50:45.76 – 50:51.30

For you guys, but I gotta say that is incredible. It's a relationship between you and the audience is a.

2Speaker 2
50:51.82 – 50:58.18

Relationship, it's a relationship. You got to communicate. It's the key to everything. Listen, lady can. early congratulations on your Tony Award.

3Speaker 3
50:59.76 – 51:06.12

Exactly incredible performance. We love you. And thank you for even going up. Well, I just met you, but you're my favorite.

4Speaker 4
51:06.12 – 51:13.62

I feel that's all the time. We have. what a Absolute. what a delight, Sarah. I've never been so delighted.

51:13.86 – 51:14.52

Oh my god.

2Speaker 2
51:14.52 – 51:25.70

Thank you, and I really do want you to cut also at the Tabasco Theatre. Sean, you live on there, I think. have I told you this like that's first of all, your poster is down in the room. Have you, did you talk about this on the show at all, about the elephant? that the room?

51:26.50 – 51:30.16

The elephant room under the Tabasco Theatre, there. This is did you talk about this in my boy?

3Speaker 3
51:31.10 – 51:44.08

You say it, but there is there. I mean, it's really cool. There's an. they call it the elephant room, because Houdini, right and used to have this massive room underneath the stage that could hold an elephant. so because he was going to do a big trick where he was gonna disappear and.

2Speaker 2
51:44.08 – 51:55.24

Raises the elephant from that thing. So they call it. Yeah, and so that's down there and there's a big poster of Sean down. Yeah, well, I'm just saying like there are a lot of posters that are not down there. There's, there's two posters down there and yours is one of them.

51:55.24 – 52:03.52

and also, every night, when I walk backstage To get to my entrance, There is a cork board on the right hand side that the prop guys have up and it just says Oscar Levant on it.

3Speaker 3
52:04.58 – 52:12.84

I sort of think about you every day when I'm. I love that honey. That's very sweet. Thank you, And I'm so glad you're there and I'm so glad we saw it and I can't wait to root you on.

2Speaker 2
52:12.84 – 52:16.64

You're really great. Appreciate it. You wrote me a lovely text. I didn't hear from you, Jason, but

1Speaker 1
52:17.54 – 52:20.08

I'm confident. I will BAM. No, I'm there.

2Speaker 2
52:20.08 – 52:25.10

I'm confident I will hear from you will when you come backstage or when you don't, and then yeah.

4Speaker 4
52:26.98 – 52:35.08

I just had another terrible one. I saw your face. I want it. Get it out and it's fucking and it's fucking killing me. They said that Houdini was gonna do that.

52:35.24 – 52:38.30

He was gonna do the trick with the elephant. It was too long, So they asked him to.

52:42.50 – 52:44.56

You, guys, fuck you.

2Speaker 2
52:50.42 – 52:54.48

Strangely, I have to go. I mean I just have to go. I know you gotta rest your voice. I got it.

3Speaker 3
52:54.48 – 52:56.30

We love you. We love Sarah. Love you.

2Speaker 2
52:56.30 – 52:58.62

Thank you guys. Bye, honey. Bye.

3Speaker 3
52:58.62 – 53:01.30

Goodbye, that was great.

1Speaker 1
53:02.14 – 53:08.58

That'll start your week. Happy Monday. Everybody. You have a great Sarah Paulson, and give you a nice little jolt of she's a.

3Speaker 3
53:08.58 – 53:21.22

She is the best. She's something else. She's really funny And, by the way, and and everything she's done, like you said, Jay, She doesn't. I know we said a lot about a lot of people, but never, never terrible, never terrible.

4Speaker 4
53:21.22 – 53:24.72

No, one of those people who's never, who's always good. No matter what she does. Yeah.

1Speaker 1
53:24.72 – 53:39.84

Yeah, she's also just like it. just to be around is is, as you can see it. It just makes your day, makes your night, and you put her and Amanda Peete together, a couple of best friends, there. Yeah, you know you, just you're. you're flying for a week.

53:40.00 – 53:40.40

Yeah.

3Speaker 3
53:40.40 – 54:00.48

Yeah, it's like you watch them. It's like a ticket to a free show. They just like go, go, go, and it's fun, really gauging and charming, and yeah, it's great. well, I, I, you know, I, I, I Already to her, but I'm really excited about her and the award shows coming up for her in New York. I think she's gonna kill it and I'm so glad she was here.

54:01.52 – 54:02.48

Oh, Are you waiting?

1Speaker 1
54:05.86 – 54:09.08

You got a head full of steam going towards the by.

3Speaker 3
54:12.00 – 54:16.10

Yeah, I know. yeah, it's a fucking. was there an elephant one?

54:23.58 – 54:27.54

Within the Tony's Google Trish.

1Speaker 1
54:31.36 – 54:46.22

Whiskey, nothing about the elephant, right? How about you, like the movies versus theater? Ryan Murphy, well, she's on New York and she's in New York. She's also in Los Angeles office. So maybe she's buying coastal He's bike.

54:46.42 – 54:56.10

Oh, yeah, We've done my house, don't quite a bit. We've run Biden. We don't abide it. Yeah, we did. we did Take a.

54:56.10 – 55:02.26

you know, I know one. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. Hey, Sean. Hey, so what's up?

3Speaker 3
55:03.20 – 55:11.42

Hey, Sean. Hey, you know the theater, the Tabasco theater that she's in. It's actually the Belasco. Yeah, the Belasco. Sorry, the Belasco theater.

55:11.52 – 55:19.66

She's actually in, isn't? isn't one of those big theaters like we know? Yeah, you can see everything in close. You don't need to sit in the back with one of those opera. You know things.

55:19.66 – 55:23.52

those, you know, what do they use the to see real far in a theater? You can pull up.

4Speaker 4
55:39.34 – 55:54.08

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