Bongino x Tucker Carlson: The Unfiltered Interview (PART 1)

2023-12-18 00:46:54

He’s a former Secret Service Agent, former NYPD officer, and New York Times best-selling author. Join Dan Bongino each weekday as he tackles the hottest political issues, debunking both liberal and Republican establishment rhetoric.

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Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show that's not immune to the facts with

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Welcome to part one of my interview with Tucker Carlson.

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It's the first time me and him have been together in a long form interview.

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Part one, my interview with the great Tucker Carlson.

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Welcome to the Dan Bongino Show, probably my most anticipated interview ever.

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I ask people all the time, like, who do you want me to interview?

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And this name is always, pretty much always number one.

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Finally made it.

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I love this guy, our good friend, Tucker Carlson.

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Tucker, thanks so much for spending some time with us.

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Really honored you're here.

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Thanks a lot.

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Well, I'm honored to be here.

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Are you kidding?

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Thank you.

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You're a good man.

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We used to share a floor together up at our former employer at Fox.

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Your team had most of it.

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They stuck us in like a corner somewhere, but we've known each other for a long time.

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You were always so nice to me and my family.

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You took a picture with my dad at the Patriot Awards.

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My dad has it prominently displayed above me, by the way, in his garage in his house,

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which is kind of telling.

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Can I say one thing?

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It wasn't just that we shared the same floor.

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We shared the same views, and management shared the same view of us.

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So we actually had a lot in common.

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I was on the air doing this live, my podcast live at 11 o'clock, and I'm doing this show

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live, and I see this break, and I remember Harris Faulkner had said something like, in

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news break, Tucker Carlson.

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I was like, wait, what?

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Because I had just left the week earlier, and I'm sitting here.

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I mean, legit.

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For me, it was like, you know those moments like when you were a kid, you remember sadly

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all these tragic moments, but you know exactly what was going on?

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For me in the media, I didn't see that coming.

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A lot of people tie you and me together because we left, but I had no idea.

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From what I heard from you just publicly, you didn't either.

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I mean, I didn't really plan on digging too deep into it, but what happened exactly there?

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I don't know.

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I mean, it was one of the ... I was surprised, too.

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It was our ... It actually, weirdly, was I had just finished writing my script in my

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living room with my dogs, drinking coffee, banging this thing out.

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I filed the script.

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I look at my calendar.

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What do I have to do today?

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It said, sixth anniversary of the show at eight o'clock.

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I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.

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Then boom, I get a call from the head of the channel called me, and I thought, oh, probably

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wishing me congratulations.

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It was, of course, canceling the show.

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I was completely surprised, but I wasn't shocked on a deeper level because, of course, I knew

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I was out of step.

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It wasn't my company.

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By the way, I wasn't mad about it.

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I was just confused, but I wasn't mad then or now at all.

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Yeah, I think we feel the same.

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Yeah, exactly.

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First of all, it wasn't my company.

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I served at their pleasure, the family that owns it, for the entire 14 years I was there.

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Our deal always was, I'm not going to take orders.

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I'm what to say.

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It's your network.

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If you don't like it, take me off the air.

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One day, they did.

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That was really an explicit agreement that I had.

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I don't know how I could complain, really.

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They did a lot for me.

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I am very happy to be doing something else, and I'm very happy not to be in that business

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anymore.

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So grateful every day.

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I can't say I feel misused or something.

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I wasn't.

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Yeah, and I think you've displayed an inordinate amount of class here.

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A lot of guys would have left and burned a place down.

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Listen, like you, I feel the same way.

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There's a lot of friends I still have there, a lot of good people there.

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It just wasn't a good fit.

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At that time, it didn't work.

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I know you.

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I read about it.

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I was going to get to this at the end, but I knew when I talked to you, I'd throw the

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script out the window.

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I read a long-form interview.

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You and Megan, I could talk to you forever.

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I read a long-form interview you did.

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I think it was a New Yorker, but I'm not sure.

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Forgive me.

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But you had said something at the end, and I really laughed when I read it because I

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kind of stole it and embraced it myself.

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You said, once in a while, you got to throw just a shit grenade in the tent.

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If there's a lot of just garbage stuff going on, you can't be afraid to run away from the

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hot stuff.

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The hard reality, like you just said, is when it's not your company, that may not be their

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bag of donuts, but that doesn't mean you're going to keep doing it there.

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Now, you got to do what you're doing now at TuckerCarlsonNetwork.com.

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Look at what just in your life, you left under whatever.

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I'm not exactly sure why they let you go, though.

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I think we both know.

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Then look what happened to your life.

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It's just so much better.

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That is the biggest change.

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I got into this in my 20s.

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I'm now 54.

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That's a whole lifetime I've been in this business at every one of the networks.

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For most of the time, the rule was, if you're not working here ... Guys like me, I had no

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other skills.

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I was not in law enforcement.

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I wasn't in anything.

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I've been a journalist since I was 22.

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I couldn't really do anything else.

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It's not like I'm going to go become a landscape architect or something.

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I'm a talk show host.

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That's all I am.

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You couldn't leave because there was nowhere else to work.

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All of a sudden, it's like not only is there another place to work, it's way better on

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every level.

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It's happier.

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You can make a real living.

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You get a bigger audience.

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It's just amazing.

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I'm not sure the old model, and I'm not gloating over it.

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I don't like the destruction of anything.

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I'm for building, not destroying.

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Just as a matter of fact, I don't see how that old model continues because it has no

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credibility.

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No one really wants to watch that.

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I don't think it's going to be around in a few years.

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It's a huge problem, Tucker.

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It's a huge problem, especially in this inflationary era where people are cutting costs.

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There are a lot of folks out there saying, I'm going to my monthly budget, and I don't

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get it.

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When I could get there on X, I can get here, not X Twitter, but X variable wise, I can

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get for free.

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You've got this diaspora of people, to quote a group of people that hate us, but it's true.

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People who've left, who are producing content that's mostly free, you can go get elsewhere.

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That leads to my first question.

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I was going to talk about this whole new media environment, you, Megan, everyone from Bill

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O'Reilly to Glenn Beck.

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You've got mixtures of SVOD, X Twitter, Rumble, YouTube, all this different blend of stuff.

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The upside to it is you control your own stuff, which is you've controlled it anyway.

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At Fox, anyone who knows their work there knows it, but now you can really just do it

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with no fear of being taken down.

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I see the issue, and I want to get your thoughts on this to give a full scope pros and cons.

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The only downside is the older generation, we have what I call the two-button problem.

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People are used to going to their remote, hitting power, and Fox or OAN or Newsmax is

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on.

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All you hit is power.

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You don't have to do anything else.

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That's it.

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The younger generation, it's not an issue.

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They'll go through.

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They know exactly how to log in to Amazon Prime and Rumble and YouTube and live stream,

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but the older generation, I'll go out, and I'm not going to lie to you, it still gets

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under my skin when people say to me, oh, what happened, man?

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I haven't seen you in like forever since you left Fox, and I'm like, I don't know.

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I live stream 100,000 people a day.

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But I get it.

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I told it.

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The two-button problem is kind of a thing that's going to go away, but it's still there

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now.

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Yeah.

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No, we talk about this all the time.

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I've been on television since the mid-1990s.

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I was on the set when the Monica Lewinsky thing broke.

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That's how old I am, so yes, I get it.

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We're going on TVs, actually, pretty soon, and it's not that difficult at all.

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You can get a stick.

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You can sell it or give it away.

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Put it in your TV, and bam, it comes up.

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We actually were waiting to launch until we did that, but I just thought, I can't wait

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any longer.

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It's been seven months, so we launched.

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But no, in a few months, we're doing that, and I have no idea what kind of audience we'll

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pick up from that.

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I don't have a TV.

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I haven't had a TV in many, many years, so I'm not a TV watcher.

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My wife hates it, so we just don't have it.

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I think a lot of people, a lot of smart people, everyone has a TV, or a lot of people have

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TVs, so why would you miss out on that?

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I don't think the technology is that difficult at all.

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No, it's not.

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We just have too many things going on and haven't finished that, but we will.

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You got the grandkids solution, Tucker.

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The grandkid comes in and shows you in two steps, right?

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Hey, Ma, you plug the stick in, Grandma, you do this, right?

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I don't have any grandkids yet.

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I wish I had grandkids.

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I'm not that much farther behind.

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I'm going to be 50 next year, brother.

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I'm no spring chicken anymore.

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Don't let these generally good looks and young skin actually fool you.

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I'm an old man.

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I'm dying.

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Of course, I kid, folks.

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I'm not actually that arrogant.

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That's why I'm on the radio more than anything.

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I got a face for that.

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But this new media environment you and I are in, which is on demand.

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People just want their stuff on demand.

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They wanted VOD.

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They want to find Tucker Carlson.

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You're going to have TuckerCarlsonNetwork.com, which is where people can go and get that

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content and subscribe.

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We're going to throw that up on the chyron of the show, and it's also going to be in

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the email, folks.

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You can link right to it.

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Go right there.

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But Tucker, there's a long – there we go.

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Look at Guy.

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He's all over it.

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Look at this guy, producer Guy.

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Yeah, this is nice, TuckerCarlson.com.

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Sorry, TuckerCarlson.com.

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Gallup.

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I want to throw this Gallup poll up on the screen, Tucker.

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The reason new media, you and I and others who've left the kind of old ecosystem are

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doing our thing I think works is because the old media sucks.

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It just sucks.

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Nobody trusts them after Spygate, the Russia hoax, the impeachment disaster, them covering

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for the Soviet Union with the New York Times debacle over the decades.

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So I pulled up this Gallup poll.

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Here's people's confidence in the media.

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It's at an all-time low, but it matches 2016 right before Trump got in there.

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Tucker, people aren't dumb.

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You can see the chart right here.

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You can only lie to people so long before they're like, ah, you're kind of full of

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shit and I don't want to waste my time with you anymore.

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I think that's right.

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And it's not just, I mean, I've always thought, because my dad was in the media, I've always

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thought there was distortion in the media, but it's only been in the last several years

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that you can feel the malice in it.

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I mean, life expectancy in the United States literally declined.

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Like people are dying younger, particularly rural people, old America, and they like think

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that's fine.

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And so there's a sense in which like they kind of want to kill you.

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I mean, they hate you and they want to hurt you.

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And that's scary.

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So it's not just that they're dishonest.

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It's that they're cruel and that they seek your destruction.

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You watch these people from January 6th go to prison who didn't do anything wrong and

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it destroys their lives.

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And the media cheerleader, they murder Ashley Babbitt.

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You know, Michael Byrd murdered this girl, and that's totally fine with the media.

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So if they're happy, you know, Ashley Babbitt's a military veteran.

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She was unarmed.

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She didn't do anything wrong.

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She was standing at a doorway inside the people's house.

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Is that a death penalty offense?

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No, it's not.

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And yet they cheered that on.

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So if they're happy to see Ashley Babbitt get murdered, how would they feel about my

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murder? Well, they would celebrate it, of course.

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So these aren't just liars.

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These are your blood enemies.

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I mean, that's real.

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That's how I feel about it.

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Doesn't the temerity of it kind of like burrow under like a tick?

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I mean, I just wrote down a few things.

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The Russia hoax was the single dumbest line of bullshit.

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Anyone who knew Donald Trump, you know him, Tucker.

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He's a germaphobe.

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Like he's he doesn't even hide it.

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If you shake his hand, he has no problem whatsoever asking someone for the for the for

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the what we used to call the alcohol, the scale gel stuff, because he's a germaphobe

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like you're out.

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It's like you're out like he don't even he admits it.

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So you're like, listen to this story.

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Like, so he was getting peed on by some hookers in Russia.

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Like, do you even know this guy?

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Like it was the dumbest bullshit story ever.

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And it's not. And supposedly this I know I know I don't want to get going because I'll

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go for it because there's so much more.

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But like, how did you fall for this?

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And the answer is they didn't.

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They had to know it was bullshit.

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And like you just said, they just freaking hate you.

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They think you're a piece of shit.

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They hate your guts.

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And they just this was a pure hierarchical power play.

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Like, we're going to just tell you bullshit and you're going to believe it.

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When Rush Limbaugh died, they celebrated, they literally celebrated.

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Now, I'm thinking, like, maybe you don't like Rush Limbaugh.

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I knew Rush Limbaugh and liked him a lot.

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But, you know, I share his politics.

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Maybe a lot of people die I don't like.

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To celebrate a man's death on the day he dies suggests a level of cruelty and sort of

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inhuman disregard for another person.

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If you don't respect death, you don't respect life.

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And these people don't.

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And again, I think they they have genocidal instincts.

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I mean, they'd like the old America to go away.

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And they say that all the time.

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That's the anti-white stuff is about.

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What do you think that is?

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Like, where did that come from?

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I mean, that's the that's the desire to kill you.

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And I don't think I'm overstating it at all.

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Yeah, no, I don't think you're overstating it at all either.

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I mean, they'll tell you to this day that the Russia hoax was real, but the spying

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operation on Donald Trump wasn't.

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And then like I wrote three books on like extensively and noted with left wing

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sources. I mean, I only use left wing sources.

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So when I when they come to me, that's why they never reviewed the books, because

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they'd be like, oh, this book is bullshit.

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I mean, it's fascinating.

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I use your sources and they'd be like, he's never spied on.

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I'd be like, oh, here's a CNN article, 2017 by Pamela Brown.

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And was it Eric Branner that says that the British Intel passed information to the

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Americans about Donald Trump?

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How do you explain that? It's still up on your website.

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And I know all of a sudden they shut the hell up.

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These people are insane.

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I mean, the 51 Intel officials who said a computer, Hunter Biden, Tucker, the dude

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dropped it off.

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The guy recognized them.

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He signs his name with his address, with a computer, with a Biden family sticker on

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it, with emails, texts and photos of a naked Hunter Biden and dipshits in the media.

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And the 51 Intel people like, yeah, sounds to me like a Russian thing.

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And these freaking liberal assholes are like, sounds legit.

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Yeah, I mean, you got to be scratching your head is like, what am I in, like

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bizarro Superman land?

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No, no, you're just what what we're all in the middle of is a process of

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rethinking our assumptions about the country, you know, what's real, who's on

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my side, you know, where's this going?

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What's the point of this?

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Like, why would you wreck your own country, which they've done?

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Obviously, tens of millions of people from Africa and Latin America, you know,

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nothing about when we don't we don't need the labor, of course.

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Like, what is that?

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And of course, what you're watching is like the intentional detonation of the

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United States. But why would anyone want to do that?

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I mean, these are very deep questions.

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I think about them all the time.

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I don't think that they have political answers.

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I think it's deeper than that.

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But whatever. No, it's hard to digest.

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I guess that's the only point I'm making.

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It's hard to digest.

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Like, there's there's too much.

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It's too horrible.

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It's not we're not disagreeing about tax rates here.

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We're talking about like the deaths of whole populations.

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Like, it's really heavy and hard to deal with.

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Tucker Carlson dot com is the website.

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I strongly encourage you to support this man and his work.

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Get in there. Get in there early.

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Tucker, I want to jump to this hierarchy argument versus hypocrisy, something I

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make on my podcast all the time.

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I've heard on your show often.

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But just quickly, you had said something there that kind of struck me.

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It's another argument I bring up a lot, even on the Fox show when I was doing it.

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This this is intentional.

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I mean, when you look at what you said, the an open, destructive border,

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fentanyl trafficking, little kids getting sex trafficked.

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This isn't a conspiracy theory.

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I mean, these things are happening.

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When you look at the debasing of our currency, when you look at the destruction

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of American pride, a very simple idea.

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I mean, if you had a treehouse club, you'd want to be proud to be a part of it.

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Right. Or no one would.

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These are just really simple ideas.

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The left isn't doing this by accident.

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This destruction agenda is an effort to bring out bring about their liberal

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dystopia. So I think the point that you often make is like really important, that

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it's not about hypocrisy.

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It's about hierarchy.

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Really, if you take three steps back, what you're watching is the end of Western

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ideas supplanted by Eastern ideas.

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So the core Western idea is universalism.

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We have principles and they apply to everybody.

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Doesn't matter what you look like, you know what your religion is.

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Everybody is treated exactly the same because we're all created by God.

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This is the basic Christian idea.

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And we all have certain inalienable rights that govern the relationship

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of the state to the citizen.

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So that's the Western understanding.

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The Eastern understanding, which is what we're living under now, is that, no,

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there's a permanent God given hierarchy.

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Some groups are better, inherently better than others, and they deserve better

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treatment. And therefore they live by different standards.

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It's like this is it's not just that these people are like getting away with

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shit because they can.

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They have a different worldview.

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They believe that certain groups, certain ethnicities, races.

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I mean, that's how they talk.

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I mean, it sort of blows.

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I always because I'm so dumb, it takes me like years to figure this stuff out.

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But I'm like, wait, you just built a Martin Luther King memorial that says we're

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all the same underneath, right?

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Right. But you're now telling us that some races are better than others.

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Like, what is this?

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But what it is, is the end of the basic Western understanding of the Christian

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understanding of the world.

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And people piss on Christianity all the time, of course.

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But you don't need to be a Christian to see the benefit of living in a Christian

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country, in a Christian country, universal principles reign.

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And the core assumption is we're all morally equal, not in our actions.

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Some people are good in the way they act.

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Some are bad. But our moral value is the same.

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And the people who run the country don't share that view.

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No, no, they don't.

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I was looking at this article the other day in USA Today, you know, about Hunter

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Biden, who is just ignoring this congressional subpoena.

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And it was funny.

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I opened up my show the day after it happened.

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And I said, you know, you're never going to believe it, folks.

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I found a Democrat with principles.

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I'm going to run some audio here of Nancy Pelosi objecting strongly to this

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ignoring of a lawfully issued congressional subpoena.

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And the audience obviously being a little confused.

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I played the audio. It's real.

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And of course, it's not about Hunter.

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It's about Steve Bannon.

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You know, Steve Bannon, when he ignored it, Nancy Pelosi wanted him locked up.

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He got to go to jail.

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Even Joe Biden himself, he got to enforce the law.

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But now that his kid does it, it's a ground ball, black and white situation.

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You believe in objective truth in the law.

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You don't. And the left's like, we really don't.

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I always have this. Someone gave me this at a book signing.

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This is like middle finger thing.

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They're like this. I go, fuck yourself.

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Like, we don't really care about your values.

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Like it. And it's like what you just said.

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The core essential component of collectivism is this idea that objective

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truth means nothing because it's obviously the opposite of their subjective

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ability to treat people differently.

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If I say Tucker and Dan have the same big R God given rights, I can't treat them by

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natural law differently.

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But when I wipe that shit out and I say, no, no, no, it's all subjective.

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Tucker's rich. He's you know, his dad was smart.

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He had a leg up and he's white, of course.

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So if that guy I'm going to take from him and give to Dan, you have to wipe all of

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it out. And it becomes a system of rankings of grievances.

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And sadly, as you just said, with this bullshit intersectionality stuff, that's

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where we are now.

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And guys like you and me are at the bottom.

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Well, sure, because if you don't believe in Western values, a euphemism for

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