#2048 - Reggie Watts
2023-10-12 02:46:40
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I'll take one.
Yeah? Yeah.
I only drink a half one.
Oh, you drink the whole one? I drink the whole one, but I'm going to try a half this time, just to see. Because, you know, it's weird. I have friends that are like, they will not. They're just like, I don't know what it is.
Well, they can't take it, because, well, some people do get nauseous. But I haven't, I've never had that experience. It's really weird. Like, all throughout my life, like, I've taken all kinds of things that people are like, oh, I throw up, or like Robitussin, or something. I drink a whole thing of Robitussin.
I throw up. I'm like, I don't know why, but I just, I don't have that reaction. So I feel either lucky or I'm dumb.
Do you ever get seasick?
No.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Do you throw up when you get sick? Do you ever throw up?
I try to avoid it at all times, but I don't get sick that often. I get sick maybe once every four years.
Do you ever drink too much and then you throw up? You just down the whole thing, didn't you?
No, I did like three quarters. No, I did half.
I don't know why this is two portions.
I, I, I.
That's silly. Because how do you, you can't even see through the glass. I know. Like, how do you know where the half is?
I always have my flashlight. I'm just like, oh, let me check. Yeah, that seems kind of silly. I just, yeah, I'm trying half. Because I got to do that, because I'm just like so like, just do it.
Just fucking, do it. And every time I do it, I'm like, oh man, it feels really good. But like, I keep, I feel like I miss my opportunity to try half. So this is my opportunity.
Kratom is a weird one. Yeah. Because it's kind of an opiate, right?
It uses the, as far as I understand, it uses the opioid receptor, but it's not technically an opiate.
There was a, a friend of mine was telling me that he takes Kratom before he works out. I go, how many do you take? Really? He goes, I take 10..
I go, really? 10 what?
10 pills.
Oh, of just pure Kratom.
Yeah. And I don't know what the milligrams is. I go 10, I was taking two. So I tried 10 and I go, dude, you're getting high as fuck. I was, I was so high on 10..
I was like, oh my God, this is a drug. But it's a weird drug where it doesn't affect your motor skills.
No.
Like I was, I was high, but, uh, my coordination, I was like, nothing feels off. Yeah. You know, like when you're drunk, it's like, I can do this, but everything's in slow motion. No, you can't. No, you can't.
But Kratom was like high in some weird way, but it was definitely intoxicated.
It's, it's an, it's an interesting one, especially when, you know, feel free, you've got Kava and Kratom, which does that, like, here's a mellowing anti-anxiety vibe. And then here's like a euphoric energy thing in the center of it. And so it gives you that, like, that's why people feel so groovy on it, because it's got those two. However, I do understand if people get sick on it, like they, they, I think some people just, it's too much for their brain or they just need to do like a third of a bottle or something.
We can't even keep them at the club because Duncan just chugs them. Really? Oh my God, he's an animal.
The trustee?
Oh, he doesn't, he doesn't play with those Kratoms.
I can, only, I can, only do, I, I, I reserve one, uh, but one, four times a week. Like at night. I use it at night, because so, if you have a social engagement, if I have a lot of people to deal with, I take one of those, I'm just like, Oh, really? Oh, where did you grow up? You grew up in France.
That's interesting. Um, that pen, what does it mean to you? You know what I mean? Like. I'm so hyper engaged.
It's crazy.
Isn't that interesting that there's actual things that can make you a better conversationalist. There's things that you can take where you'll be, you know, you'll be better talking to people. You'll say different things than you would without those things.
I know. I know. I don't know. I think it has something to do with the, I think, like certain things that remove the editing aspect and you're just more fluid. Like I remember a friend of mine, she had like this, I don't know if you know people like this, but they, they analyze everything that they're thinking.
Like it's like a compulsion. So, like my friend, she's amazing musician, but every time she would speak, she'd be like, well, I'd like to, I'm not sure if I should, but I, you know, I, I would like to, but a lot of this like looped kind of thing and self and I, but like the analysis loop is so, so small that I'm like, you know, I wish I could help. But then one night, I can, she was nervous about taking ketamine and I, and I gave her just a little bit of ketamine and finally she was like, okay, I'll try it. I'll try it. And she's like, I don't know, should I, I think maybe it's too much.
And then, and I was like, trust me, just, just do this amount. I'm really good at dosing. And she took it and I progressively saw her go from, I don't know what's going on. Yeah. So, um, yeah.
And you know, I was just kind of wondering, my career is interesting, but I have a lot of fear based around it. She was just calm, relaxed and completely fluid. And I let her go for a while. And then I said, did you notice that you haven't stopped yourself once? Like, in the last 10 minutes, she was like, oh my God, you're right.
And I was like, yeah. Like, if you notice that when you're on it, it's possible you could carry that over into your functioning everyday life. But it was, it was a cool, it was cool to see that transformation.
Yeah. I wonder if that's possible without the ketamine.
I think of course it is. But the ketamine just puts you immediately in a spot where you're, you're no longer emotionally connected to your observational self. You're just in an observational state. So it's, it's, for me, I noticed that I'm very clear, even though I think of myself as a pretty good communicator. Sometimes when I'm on ketamine, the thoughts are just flowing in a way that I'm actually watching them.
It's the same feeling when I'm improvising and it's going really well. Like I'm with a bunch of cats and we're like jamming or whatever. There'll be this weird thing where I'm suddenly, I'm like, I'm just, it's almost like I'm standing next to myself, going like, Hey, that's pretty good. Oh wait. And then I'm playing again.
And it kind of puts me in that kind of a state and I don't know, there's something about it. I'm really interested in ketamine, like doing more research with it too. Like fMRI is like, you know, real-time fMRI and mapping regions of the brain when you're improvising and things like that. There's been a little bit of that, but I want to do it myself, just to see.
Wasn't it originally devised as an animal tranquilizer?
Yeah. It was an anesthetic, as far as I know.
I think cats or something.
Yeah. It was like, well, horses, like large, uh, large mammals that can do a lot of damage. I think it was used for them to just come as an anti-anxiety and then it's an anesthetic. So I know a friend of mine, he was a friend of a friend. He was skateboarding, shoulder, went out of place, went to a hospital that shot him with ketamine and then put his shoulder back in.
I think they use that in medic kits overseas.
Oh, that's probably right.
I think they do. If they have to do like, uh, in the field surgery, something happens on the.
battlefield. Well, I know in Vietnam, all the, the burn victims from, like napalm and stuff like that. Um, they use a mixture of opiates and ketamine because the dissociative takes you out of your body. So you're not related to the pain in your body. Then the opiates obviously suppress pain at the same time.
Crazy, right?
Pharmacology. I know. Reggie Watts and Joe Rogan. Hey. Everyone's like, we're not giving advice.
There's all these doctors going like, that's not true. It was actually, I'm like, okay.
Everything you're saying is dangerous. I'm trying.
I'm trying.
Everything you're saying is misinformation.
It's all misinformation. I mean, it's like, it's like sometimes it's just what you understand at the time. Oh, there it is. Yeah.
There it goes. Ketamine was found of many of the same anesthetic and analgesic properties as PCP. I think it's very close to PCP, like molecularly, but consistently produced fewer adverse side effects. Following this initial research, ketamine was characterized as a dissociative anesthetic.
Yep. Yep. Yeah. And when I was growing up, we would drink Robitussin, which had dextromethorphan in it, which is also dissociative. And so it's, it's a kind of a weirder version of it.
But, um, I, when I first took ketamine, I was like, why does this feel familiar? It's Robitussin. Oh, dextromethorphan. Interesting. Although dextromethorphan feels like a, like, a, like a, like an Instagram filter over the dissociative experience.
Whereas ketamine feels clean, a little bit cleaner.
Oh, interesting. Yeah. I remember when NyQuil had codeine in it. And one time I was sick, this is back in the old days.
Yep.
And I took NyQuil and I was just, I remember, lying in bed feeling so wonderful. And I was sick. I was like, this is amazing. I don't think I'd ever taken it before. And I don't think this formula is the same.
I think I'm talking like the nineties.
Yeah. Now I remember being in a convertible in the eighties and a friend of mine sitting, like, you know, on the deck where the, you know, the, the top is down or whatever. He's sitting on the deck and he just had a bottle of codeine. And he was just like, take sips of it. And I was like, I wanted to try it, but I was like, I don't know.
I just didn't, but it was funny.
Was the car in motion?
It was in motion. We were cruising.
That's not a smart move.
No, I know it's not, but it's the eighties.
That's a codeine move too.
I know it's totally codeine.
The eighties.
It's like eighties, everything. I remember, I remember in the eighties being in a scout, like going all, taking all the back roads, roads from great falls to lake five in glacier park on the way there, with, like a half rack of beer and, just like, you know, drinking beers and cruising down the road, and with like three, three friends and a bunch of bikes in the back. I mean, I don't know the shit that we did back then, was, you just can't do it anymore.
You definitely can't if people are filming you with their phones.
No, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. That was the missing link.
That's a big part of the world. now. So many things are being filmed. There's good and bad of it, right? The good thing is like citizen journalism.
Sure. Yeah. You know, like we know more about the horrors of war, like the wars that are happening right now. Do you remember like during it was, I think it was desert storm or it was the neck. It was after whatever, 2020, 2001,, after the nine 11 attacks, they weren't allowed to show bodies of troops coming home.
They weren't allowed to show coffins. Remember, photographers were not allowed or something like that.
Yeah.
Which is insane. And then now here we are 22 years later, and you just get graphic cell phone footage from Ukraine. Now you're getting it from Palestine and Gaza. It's just horrific graphic footage from phones.
I mean, even back in the days, like, remember, when ISIS was on the rampage, you would still, you could still see videos online on YouTube, like before. they took them down, like people were exposed. Beheading videos. Yeah. Like, I saw one of those and I was like, I should have never seen.
that. Should have never seen. that. I can't, I can't get out of my head.
No, I've seen quite a few of them.
Unfortunately. It's just like, you know, I mean, it's like, I mean, on one hand it's like the barbarism is, is, is a good thing to see where you're like that. I never want to put myself in this situation or I want to do everything I can to try to make our society not do that kind of shit. But at the same time it's, it can desensitize and some people can kind of fetishize on it as well. So it's, I don't know.
It's a, it's a twofer. Yeah,
it is. That is a thing. People, they do fantasize about, things that they see and they want it. I mean, you've heard that about serial killers. They study serial killer documentaries and shit before they actually go out and do it.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. But you know, humanity,
we're so weird.
I know we're weird.
We're so weird.
I know.
You know, this idea of eradicating all war. I mean, I remember when I was a little boy, uh, I was living in San Francisco during the height of the Vietnam war and the Vietnam war ended. And I remember as a boy thinking, Oh, this is great. Now there's not gonna be any more wars. They figured it out.
The war is bad. Hmm.
Yep. They didn't, they didn't, they didn't because wars will end. That's the one thing about war. A war will end. But does, uh, another one, what's the next war that starts?
They're always sparking up. They're always sparking up somewhere.
I, I have this weird theory. Uh, well, it's not, it's a weird theory, but like, and it's a gross generalization, but I think, like, pretty much every conflict is a result of, uh, capitalism. Hmm. In the sense that raw capitalism, like in its nascent form, is like, it's just a system of trade and so forth. But the way it's been wired, because it doesn't have human wellbeing involved in the equation, it's just about, can we make this graph go up?
Like we need more of these numbers and it's just chasing infinite wealth, right? It's like wealth amassing, but, but so it has a value system, but human wellbeing is not in it. So eventually, over time, it's like, of course people are going to game it and very few people can game it, and they're going to acquire all this stuff. And they're just going to be like desensitized to the rest of the inequities and so forth. And then you're going to cause all this animosity.
And then there's going to be a lot of people going like, well, I need to get my stuff back. And then you've get all these opportunists that are using the disgruntledism and like using that to arm. It's like, that's my over, gross oversimplification. I'm sure I'll be corrected millions of times over, but whenever I see any of these conflicts, or even a conflict in my own neighborhood or my neighbors arguing over, it's about a property line or it's about, um, you didn't do this or you didn't do that. It's this weird thought process that goes into, I don't have enough.
or I have all the stuff and I want to keep the stuff, or I want more stuff. And then someone else kind of responding to that in some way. I'm not phrasing it as eloquently as I usually do on ketamine, but, um, but that's kind of my, whenever I see all of these things, I'm just like, I have a feeling that it's probably maybe that I, I don't know.
The problem is, the alternative is even more horrific.
What's the alternative? Socialism. Socialism.
Yeah. I don't know enough. The only way that's enforced is by dictators. And then the dictators wind up doing what every human being in power does, which is control all the resources, control all the wealth, live in extravagant houses while everybody starves. Every single communist dictatorship is all run the same way.
It's the only way to run them, because the only way to enforce socialism is through violence. The only way to take people's resources and evenly distribute it is to go in with guns.
But what about like countries like Sweden and things like that? They have social, well, we have social, we have social systems.
We should have social systems.
social, social systems. But you're talking about like full on socialism. Yeah. I mean, I'm not, you know, that's why, here's something that's interesting. I really think within our lifetimes, if it hasn't happened already, governments are going to start using AI to do a low level legislation.
And now I'm just like, I'm summarizing in a very optimistic way.
We've been talking about this a lot. Oh,
okay. Okay, good. So I got a friend of mine, Dr. Alan D. Thompson.
If you don't know about him, just check him out. He's a, he's an AI expert, researcher. He's an explainer. He has a thing called the memo that comes out, I think, like every two weeks, something like that, but it gives you this really holistic state of the union of AI. And he's hyper optimistic and calls it human evolution, which I believe in that as well.
If it's used. Well, uh, you get rid of the emotional factor and you just have something that's looking to solve problems. Yeah. You know? And so I think, like it can at least give you five solutions that are not emotionally based, that are just addressed, that are supposed to kind of maximize the, uh, positive, probable outcome.
And I think we may see a human AI, uh, synergistic government, low, at least low level government, implement implementation, probably some country that's like, can do that and not feel like they're bad on the farm on it.
And if they, if it goes well, then other people will implement that. Yeah. I think so. We were, we were talking about a AI president that you need a president that is immune to bias, corruption, influence, and someone who just looks at things rationally and in an intelligent way that spans all the disciplines, right? Like, how could any president really be an expert in foreign policy, the environment, economics, social justice, infrastructure, uh, immigration.
It's not possible. How could one person really know the correct solutions to all those issues? Even if you're briefed, look, I can't imagine. I, all I do is run a podcast and do comedy and occasionally commentate on fights, and all those three things take up so much of my fucking time. My whole day today has been having conversations with people about replacement opponents, because there's a UFC coming on in two weeks.
So I've been having all these conversations with experts and people that I know and commentators of who can fit this spot and who's ready and who's in shape and who's turned the fight down. And how could anybody, that's not, that's so minor. That's my, my, my role is so small. I got so little to do, and yet it's, it takes up so much of my time. How could anyone manage all of those things?
They can't, but AI could. Yeah. And AI doesn't have a son that gets money from Burisma.
I know. I know. It's like the thing about that. I know. Well, it's like, I mean, if you look at like, there's, it's really hard.
I had, I had a term on if it exists, but I call it corporate corporacrats. And most people in government essentially are corporate crowds, in, in the sense that the things that when I see people like vetoing things or not getting on board with certain things and you're like, well, that seems like that would be helpful, but you're choosing not to do that. It's like the influence of corporations on even well-intentioned, you know, people that go into government, they're like, I want to make a difference. I want to change. It just gets in there.
It's so baked. It's baked in there. And so I don't know how you're going to, you're going to overcome that. The only thing I can think of is like, because my thing is like, I'm not really political, in the sense that I don't have a party. I'm pretty independent.
I'm just like, I want to choose people that are, that are humble enough. They have enough humility to work with anybody that's, that wants to solve a problem, that they're, that they're wanting to solve and to solve and to create solutions for the most amount of people possible. That's kind of, that's all I'm looking for, because there is no excuse for any of us, being all the inequity we see in all of the, and all of this stuff is totally solvable. If we were much more efficient with how,
how well, how resources are utilized, how they're distributed and so forth. And what I mean by that is like, some of my friends are like, well, if you do like universal basic income, which, which I think is something I'm kind of interested in. I think that that is interesting. If you can account for where that comes from in a way that doesn't upset people, they have a lot of power and a lot of money feel like that's threatening my, whatever it is that I remember.
Bernie Sanders, his idea.
Oh, no. What was that?
His idea that I thought was really fascinating. When I talked to him, he said, he's going to take a small fraction, less than one cent for every speculation by on the stock market. Whoa. And that would account for insane amount of money. And you could essentially, through that money, just through that money, provide free healthcare, free education, just, just through that.
If we could, there's two things that we could do that could stop people from living a shit life. One of them is keep them from being saddled down by student debt, student debt. Student loan debt, is fucking insane, because you're taking these vulnerable young people, 17 years old, right out of high school, about to go to college. And they sign on for these fucking deals where they they're going to owe an insane amount of money over the next five, six years. And they could never get out of that debt.
That is crazy. It's crazy what we do to people. So then you force them into jobs that perhaps they don't want to do. And maybe there's things that they would have thought of pursuing that they can't pursue, because they have a nut that they have to pay every month, because they have student loan debts. And it's a big nut.
If you're in medical school, it's enormous. It's an enormous nut.
It's, it's so insane because the way I look at it is like anytime someone's in survival mode, they're in a crisis state. They're not, they're less likely to be in a solution based mind state. They're, they're generally in a crisis state. Right. So if you're in survival mode, you're spending all of this brain, trust, energy that could be contributing to amazing solutions for all kinds of things.
And you're just wasting it. And that's why, when I, when I drive through LA and I see how many people are on the street and like, I'm like, there's probably a genius in there. There's probably someone who could invent a new water filtration system, or there's probably whatever it is. We're, it's a waste of human potential, potential. And I'm like, if you don't invest in your population, if you don't believe in your population and you don't invest in them.
And I, just like the, some of the arguments are like, well, you know, you're just giving away stuff and people are just going to freeload. It's like, there's going to be, there might be some of that, but most of the time people want to get involved in something and they want to make the people at least close around them. They want to make their lives a little bit better.
That's if you're not a drug addict. Well, the problem with the homeless community is the vast majority are mentally ill and or drug addicts. So what you really, what you really need, first of all, we definitely need to look at the country like it's our community, and we don't do that.
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent. It should be one giant community. There should, there's no, there's no excuse for radically impoverished, gang ridden, crime ridden neighborhoods. There's no excuse for that. We should be engineering that out.
We should figure out a way to run. If you want to make a better country, you want to make America great again, make less losers. What's the best way to make less losers, give people opportunities from the jump. You know how much potential we're missing out so much, so much potential. we're missing out because people who might have brilliant minds might be incredibly creative, but they're born in horrible, hostile environments and they get caught up in it.
And it's, it could happen to you. It could happen to me. It could happen to anybody. We're all, totally, anybody who's listening to this. that hasn't committed, you know, murder or rob people.
a lot of it is luck. It's your decisions, for sure. And you choose, it's how you're raised, but you don't get to choose that either. You don't get to choose who your family is. You don't get to choose your neighborhood.
You don't get to choose how they, what trauma they faced in their life. You don't get to choose what happened to your mother while she was, when you were in her womb, that, that contributes to the way you think and behave. Because when a woman is involved in like heavy violence and trauma, and when they're around that all the time in the babies, in the womb, that baby comes out triggered, like ready to go. It's a fact. Michael Irvin was explaining this to me.
Like epigenetics and experiential development.
And gestation.
So if we could do, I've said this many times, but I'll say it again. Think about these, no bid contracts. They gave Halliburton to go in and fix Iraq after we blew the shit out of it. Why can't they give no bid contracts to these motherfuckers to go fix up cities? Why, why isn't it profitable?
Imagine if it was profitable to do that. If we can spend a hundred fucking billion dollars in Ukraine, whether you agree with that or not, we had that money somehow or another, we were able to do that. We have a crisis in America, massive crisis. The loss of life in America is comparable to all kinds of wars. If you just look at the amount of people that die in the south side of Chicago every weekend, it was higher at many points than what was going on with the conflict in Afghanistan.
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy to me when I, when I see this, like the United States, I mean, the United States, I grew up in the eighties. There was like, yeah, we were kind of blinded by a lot of like, you know, kind of glamorizing and just like everything's groovy. You know, like the, all the movies and TV shows and stuff like that. But at least when I grew up, I didn't have that stress of the micromanaging, of constant reminders that the inequities are insane and that the middle class is just getting squeezed.
And everybody I know, and I'm talking about like, I tried to get it. I tried to buy a house in LA for three years. I bid on four houses. One, one of them, uh, the, the, uh, listing agent was like, we want you to have this house. They spoke French.
I spoke French. to them. I was like, okay, this is great. I'm buttering them up. The people who own the house were French.
The listing agent was Swiss, but spoke French. And I was like, oh yeah. And they were like, yeah, we want you to have a house. I want you to have a house. I was like, this is great.
House went for $1.7 million. And of course, that was like an underbid, you know, however, they do that, that bullshit, psychological, uh, whatever, low, low price. So I was like, okay, great. I'm going to give you a healthy offer. I gave him a healthy offer, you know, talk to my real estate agent and everything.
I sent it to him and I was like, okay, this sounds like this is going to go through. And then they're like, ah, sorry. They went with this, this other person. Oh, really? What did they offer?
They offered 1.2 million. Oh, on top of the, uh, adjusted asking price with no waving, all the inspections, contingents. And it was cash. that happens. That happened to me three times.
And it was, it felt like. it felt like the city, or life was like, oh, you want a house? I'll give you a little bit of hope. And then I'm just going to, then there's going to be a team that just goes out and says, we're going to outbid you and we're going to just wave all the, there's no way you're going to compete with it. And I thought about that and I have friends that are like trying to find apartments right now.
And even in great falls, Montana, where, in where I'm from, and it, I think, some property value went up. I don't know. A huge percentage.
Californians moving in.
Well, we, Yellowstone, man, Yellowstone,
Yellowstone.
I heard about that. No, well, no, not even that. It was just like the, like everyone thought. I thought like, oh yeah, a TV production promoting that area, like whatever that, that should bring in money. Right.
It did. But now every Montana, cause Montana is already, it's like, I have the same, I feel the same way. I'm like, just visit. Don't, don't move here, but just come and visit. You know, that's been, that's always been my vibe growing up.
All my friends have the same vibe. They're just like, just, just come here and, you know, check it out. And then, you know, we'll see you a little bit later and you're always welcome back. And that's always been the vibe. And now it's like almost militant.
now. Like people are really like, do not come in here. Don't, don't,
please,
please don't. I know you can't, I know you can't,
but,
but I'm just saying that it got harsher because of this show and how it changed the economy in Bozeman. I mean, they call Bozeman, Boz Angeles. and, and now no one can, no one can buy a house there. I have, I have a couple of friends who are like, we couldn't buy in Bozeman. We, we had to, we had to move somewhere else.
And like, prices are going up everywhere.
Where do they get that 30 below winter for five weeks in a row?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
What in the fuck did I sign up for?
I think a lot of people don't understand what they're getting into. That shit is on the border of Canada,
son. That's up there.
I mean, that's a real winter. I feel safe about great falls. Great falls isn't necessarily a destination. I mean, there's not, not to, I mean, there are great things. There's like,
maybe you should stop talking about it.
Lewis and Clark. Oh, I know. Yeah. Don't, don't come here, man. Great falls, man.
There's nothing there. It's like forest fires. There's like deer that are really aggressive, aggressive, aggressive deer. But you know what I mean? I just like the, the times are kind of, I'm like, if an AI could just do a theoretical, it doesn't have to be implemented, but theoretically, like ingested all of the government, all the legislation, that all the laws that exist and you say, give it a simple thing.
Like how can we balance all of the spending and how can we contribute to things that will solve problems, to make our lives feel more like, Hey, you can go out in the street and go, how are you doing, man? I'm not, not too bad. They're like, okay, great. If that was the criteria, I would be interesting to see what it came up with. Yeah.
But you're never going to stop supplying demand. You're never going to stop a place that's awesome from getting people to find out that it's awesome and wanting to live there. And then you never stop people from raising the price of their, their real estate because the demand is there and then they sell it and then it raises property value.
No, I mean, of course, I understand that. all progress. Okay. I understand that. However,
you live in Los. Angeles.
I live in, I live in Los. Angeles.
Literally the product of that.
I know, I know the Los Angeles, I know, I know. Believe me, I feel it.
Perfect weather. Everybody moved there. You ever see Los Angeles? Remember when Jerry's famous deli was open back in the day, you'd be able to see these photographs of the valley from like the 1800s. They had these old black and white photos where it was all dirt roads, orchards.
There was nobody there.
Yes. I know.
That was a hundred years ago,
man. I know.
200 years ago. Now it's fucking psychotic. Now it's bumper to bumper traffic and spray paint and cement everywhere.
I know, I know. I have a friend from Wyoming. I think I talked about her on the show. and, uh, uh, she, uh, Kirsten Joy Weiss, like that. Yeah.
I talked about her, sharpshooter. We have the most amazing conversations, because she's like, she's not, I wouldn't say she's conservative, but she's a constitutionalist and, and, and has her, has her beliefs. And she's Christian. You know, she will even talk to me on the phone. She's like, listen, I'm a white Christian, uh, woman, uh, you know, living in Wyoming and Cody, Wyoming.
And I love guns. And, and I was like, and we have the most amazing conversations. Great. And we usually unify on science fiction, but, uh, but she's terrified, or she said, you know, it's like, sorry, Kristen, but, but at one point she was like, I'm apprehensive about going to California because what I see is like destruction, you know, gangs and violence and all this stuff. And I'm like, I don't know, man, I don't, I don't, I, and I know that it happens.
I've had friends, cars broken into, you know, those types of things. But in general, like I, I don't experience that. And then that also comes down to me just going like, why don't you just, why don't you just come to LA and I'll show you. No one, nowhere is going to be perfect. wherever you're going to live.
There's going to be some kind of a limitation. You're either like, you're either not going to have the, uh, the culture that you're looking for. You're not going to have access to the foods that you want, but you're going to get this, but you're going to get this, but you might not get this. And I think for me, it's like, I want to live in places, but not have any fear based off of the projection from fear based, uh, projections. And so I don't know.
Right.
But there's a reality of the elevation of violence in Los Angeles. That's legitimate. And also the diminishing of police.
Oh yeah.
That's all real.
Yeah. Yeah, it is. Although I will say, this is weird, but I will say that, um, there's a certain amount of that.
This is weird to say, but sometimes when things get hostile or, let's say, more chaotic, I, I kind of go, Oh, here's an opportunity. I think it's an opportunity in the sense that, uh, it makes people reformat their association to things like police. There's less, there's more violence. And like, now we have less police. It's like, was the answer less police?
It's like, I don't think the answer was less police. I think it was about better trained police. I think that's, I think they, they went too far. And it's like when you have these opportunities in life where you're like this moment, where people are like, maybe we should question the way we do things. But then the response is to overshoot and overcompensate.
And now you've got like this, you know, so I don't know.
I hope it's also a problem that people have an opinion based on an ideology that they subscribe to. Yes. And say, if you have a leftist ideology and you subscribe to that, then you have some very specific, I bet I know where you stand on climate change. I bet I know where you stand on many issues. Yeah.
And the problem with that is if your tribe all agrees to something, you signal to your tribe by also agreeing to, and it's much easier than having a real, objective conversation about the realities of that thing and not being attached to these ideas, but just saying, well, what are the realities of these things? Yes.
Yes. I always call it the 10% rule. Like I may believe in something and, and think about it and go, yeah, that makes sense for me. But I always leave 10% margin of me being completely wrong or me misunderstanding the whole situation, because I can't hold onto something so fervently, because I have, like, I have all kinds of friends. I have conservative friends.
I have anarchist friends. I have agnostic friends, whatever. I have religious friends. I have leftist friends. But the thing that I, that brings us together is that we can have conversations about issues.
And if I bring up something like, you know, something that is a counter to what they believe, they're at least listening and they're like, that's interesting. Well, yeah. If we incorporate a little bit of what you're talking about into what we're doing and we kind of deescalate on here, we can arrive at something that's a little bit more rational and works for more people.
What's stunning, how emotionally attached people are oftentimes to subjects that they're not even informed on. Oh, yes. When you really have a conversation with them about the actual data, they fall apart because they're ideologically driven. Their camp, whether they're a right-wing conservative or a left-wing progressive, their camp believes a certain thing. And so they're locked in on this certain thing as being correct.
And then, emotionally, they respond to a differing opinion. And that is just rough, man. Those are rough conversations. I don't enjoy them. I really enjoy having conversations with people that I disagree with, that are polite and kind and objective and fair.
Those are great conversations because they're stimulating. I get to see how you think about things and why you think about these things. And those conversations are so important. And for whatever reason, nowadays people don't want to have them anymore. They want to like, I think it's a social media artifact.
A hundred percent. It's social media and that you can interact and you can say something. The thing is like, if something affects you emotionally, you can immediately state how you're feeling. Yeah. And the context is so limited on that statement.
I've gotten into, I go on, I go on Twitter. I'm not going to call it X, but I go on Twitter. And, um, uh, and I have these discussions with some people that are like, oh, there is no way, whatever I say. And I'm always practicing different hacks. I'm like, okay, well, maybe I'll just go in with, uh, you're obviously in, you're, there's some insecurity that you're feeling and you're feeling frustration.
And so you're kind of like, you know, you're kind of expounding these things, because it kind of gives you an energy in the moment that makes you feel as though you're doing something, you're doing something. And, and often their replies is generally more of the same, but slightly different information. And I'm like, okay, I see, you're not, you're not in the mode where you want to have a conversation. We're not having a face-to-face conversation.
You're trying to win. You're playing a game.
And I'm not, I'm not into winning. It's like, I want, I just want to, I want to come to an understanding, because there's nothing better. I mean, one of my favorite highs in the world, and I love drugs, but my favorite high in the world is when I had a conversation, uh, for this is just an example. I was in Montana, backsteps of my friend Wally's house. His next door neighbor was an armorer in the Iraq war, um, was responsible for, I don't know.
I think it was a battalion's worth of, uh, weapons. And it was only he and another guy that were monitoring these things. So he has all these stories and his viewpoint on all kinds of things that are, he's definitely more conservative lady. I had this conversation about the perspective from people who are, you know, it was a police issue. And I was saying like, well, police need to be better trained.
It's like, it's not necessarily about getting rid of them, but I believe that they need better training. in other countries. Police go to school for two and a half years before they even get out. So there's a different difference in quality. And we kind of went back and forth and I saw his eyes narrowing and it was just kind of like steaming up a little bit.
But then, the more we talked about it and the more I said, like, I understand where you're coming from. I get where you're coming from. And I'm not saying, um, I'm not saying the opposite of what you're talking about. What I'm looking for is a solution of perspective. and I saw him cool off.
It was crazy. It cooled off. And we left like, he's, you know, he's still going to believe what he's believing, but it did not escalate. And it was feeling kind of a little dangerous. And then it was fine.
And I'm like, the more that we can have these conversations, people aren't what they are for their entire lives. Yeah, that's true. They aren't even what they are necessarily in any given moment, because when we get information that we can tap into and feel and get it from somebody instead of these tiny little bite size nuggets that are like decontextualized, then it's brilliant. And I get off on that. That's the, my biggest high in the world.
It's like my, my friend's going like, uh, this about this. And I'm like, okay, okay. I hear you, but what about this? And they're just like, but check this out. And they're like, oh, well, you know, I, I don't know what it is.
I,
that's a wonderful thing about some drugs.
Yes.
Because some drugs, like for me, it's marijuana. Marijuana makes me so much more considerate of other people's perspectives and feelings. Cause I'm much more sensitive when, when I'm on it. So when I'm talking to someone, I'm so much less likely to engage in like a real disagreement, you know, it'll be much more passive. Much more like, okay, I see what you're saying.
Okay. So that, so you feel that, that like reaffirm, and then have you considered, and this is a thing. And I also, I say this all the time, cause it's a very important thing to say. I've tried very hard to not be connected to my, my ideas that these are just ideas that I, as a individual, as a, as a separate being, a conscious being, I'm engaging with these ideas, but I don't claim them as my own, to the point where I'm married to them. And I, and I fight for them.
And these are my fucking, these are my ideas and I stand by them. There's only a few, like, you know, yeah, there's a few. Yeah. Right. But most things I'm like, I want to know why you think, the way you think.
And that, that's one of the beautiful things about having a podcast is I have so many conversations with so many people that have completely different perspectives,
man.
I will get to get this chance to explore them.
Totally. And it's, it's funny. It's like, I have this concept where I talk about, um, I don't, I kind of believe that we all play characters of ourselves. Like we kind of have a character version of ourselves, but then there's the actor, right? Or, if you want to use in car terms, there's a, there's a pilot or there's a driver and then there's a machine.
And, and how I like to think of it is, I like to address the, the actor or the piece of consciousness. This is inside of the character. That's like playing the character. And generally, generally that works really well. because if I'm making an effort to speak to that part, and then to kind of like, try to see myself from their perspective, people sense that they sense that you're making an effort and they appreciate it because you're recognizing the, the sovereign being that they are not necessarily all the stuff around them.
I've talked to, like people that are like super into conspiracy theories and they're really down into this crazy zone where it's like, if you're talking about encryption, it's asymmetrical, there's no way you're, you're hacking that, but you just skip to the quantum level and just talk to the, the consciousness. And I know it sounds kind of esoteric, but it's like it, it works. It's because I want to respect, I want to give everyone the respect of them and acknowledge that they are a being on the planet. They're human being. And they exist,
but it's also you as a human, you're a really nice guy. And every conversation I've had with you has been kind of consistent like that. You're just a nice person. You're, you generally want, genuinely want to get along with people and you genuinely want, like a real discourse, real conversation. Some people aren't into that game.
I know.
And when you encounter those people, like if someone says, no, I don't want to fucking play tennis. And you're like, but we're playing ping pong, man. No, no, no, fucking tennis. You got to go. Okay.
I want to play ping pong. Have a nice day. I'm not going to play tennis.
What if we play pennis?
What is the one pickleball?
Pickleball.
Pickleball is really fun.
Oh, my God. I, Oh God. Yeah. I hear that too, but I won't. just cause of the name.
I can't, but, but no, it's true. It's like, I, just, I just, I don't know. I think that we're here and we might as well have a good time. Yeah.
So like, yeah, be as nice as you can.
like kindness. That's all I'm looking for. Kindness is like, if I feel like someone's being kind, it's great. I've run into tons of assholes that I've seen like treat people like shit, but most of the time I can get in there. If I can get in there and they'll go like, Oh, that's cool.
I respect you, man. I'm like, okay, great. Cause, I respect you too, but also don't do that shit. Like, like. you could do stuff different.
Yeah. And, and, and they'll come back at you and you'll get an energy that you actually want. Right.
Well, that's the thing too. Like, some people will say like, I met that guy and he was an asshole. Okay. Well, how were you? Because when I met him, he's really nice.
Like, how did you engage with this person? Yeah. You know, some people it's like who you are is oftentimes a product of who you're talking to. too. Like who you are in that moment is oftentimes how they're talking to you.
How this person receives you and how they're talking to you.
Oh, a hundred percent, man. It's like, I, there's nothing I love more than like someone like, and I'm just like, Hey, what's going on? Oh, you, are you okay? Like, but you know, and they're like, why do you care? You know, it's like, well, because I don't know, I dig you.
If someone's coming at me, I, there's definitely times where I will push back on somebody if they're being a dick to me, but I love figuring out a way to be again, like asymmetrical or just, just illogical to them, irrational to them. Because, like, if someone's like, I'm going to do something, that I'm expecting a certain reaction from that. generally I get when I do it. And then I, if they're like, here's some scrambled eggs. And then I give them back a hat with, like, you know, a lizard crawling around it.
And I'm like, here's the, and they're like, what, what is this? And then, when they're in that confused state, it's that's the opportunity where you can just be like, man, this is silly. What are you doing? Like, we don't, you don't have to be this way. It's there's like, life is awesome.
I mean, and I know it's hard to see for some people that are really, really affected by their environment and they're affected by the way they've been treated. They've affected by all kinds of things, but guaranteed, like you play, if a, if an acapella, an amazing acapella singer started singing generally for someone will be like, oh shit, that's amazing. And that's those types of things. Those are the moments where you realize like, oh, we're all in this. We're all in this together.
There's. you're not getting rid of people by like, like. you're not going to become happier because you're going to control the situation. Absolutely. Like, that's not really how it works.
There's more power in being collaborative and you can stay. And it doesn't mean you have to give up everything. I think people, they're too binary. They're like, if I, if I give up here now, I've lost everything. It's like, it's not true.
It's like, you become stronger when you become better collaborating. Yeah.
And you create alliances.
Yeah. And that's cool. And you can have rivalry. I mean, rivalries, I think, are fun if they're not violent. It's like, I think, that,
uh,
rivalries are like, you know, I ate that douchebag or whatever. I love, like, I always practice, um, like fake negative, like, like fake negative stuff, where we're just like, yeah, that, that guy is just such a, such a dick or whatever. And just like, yeah. And everyone's like, yeah, it's such a dick. I mean, look at the way you just helped that guy or whatever.
And I love, I love it because it's like, well, you can kind of exercise a little bit of the real thing, but it's not real, you know? Right. So it lets off steam. Yeah. Um, and I mean, you know about this.
Comedians do it all the time to each other.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All the time.
Razzing,
whatever. It's so much fun to do that with comedians. And it's such a bummer when you try that on regular people.
Oh, no, they do not get it. You're like, right. And they're like,
okay. Yeah. It's like, especially through text messages, like some of my comedian friends, it's, I love the ridiculous text messages. Well, text message to the most horrific shit, the most ridiculous shit back and forth to each other. Just so cutting to each other and just laughing.
Everyone's laughing. And it's fun. I know. It's fun. You're sparring.
I know you're sparring. And that's what the thing, I mean, it's like,
it's in love. It's a fun. Yeah. Like, the reason why they can say those things to you is because you know, they love you and you love them. A hundred percent.
And it's funny.
And it's, it's funny. And it's, it's the best. I mean, I don't know. That's my thing. Also, I, you know, I'm an artist.
So for me, when I see art, it's like, we're all intersected by art. Art is the one, is a great unifier, because it just goes straight to the, the initial core of what being a human being is about, which is a curious, creative, problem solving adventurer. Like. that's generally what human beings are. They're like, what's over there.
How does that work? Yeah. Ooh, I bet you I could make this. Hey, what are you working on? Can I help you?
Whatever. Can you help me? Whatever. I think it's that, but then again, when people are in survival mode, all the bad shit happens. And then you get people taking advantage of people in those bad situations.
And then they're harnessing, they're extending their disappointment with life and themselves onto those people. And then they start motivating, and just guys, guys, guys, well,
I think human beings have a certain amount of conflict and problem solving that, that they have to address on a daily basis in order to be balanced.
Certainly.
And I think the more you can do that with yourself, the better off you are with other people. by controlled adversity. Doing things that are difficult is the most important for me. If I don't work out a couple of days in a row, I'm a different person. And I know that seems like, well, you got a problem.
Yeah, I do have a problem. Most of it's genetic. I'm pretty sure. But my problem, it has a very simple solution that I've been practicing for decades and I understand it and I know how to mitigate that problem. And when I do, I am a much better person.
And so I do that. But when I don't do that for a few days, I feel like a lot of people feel all the time, and just a touch of it, just a touch of it. I don't have decades of it compiled with alcoholism and fucking, drug abuse and, and, and problems and stress and lack of sleep and poor diet and all these other contributing factors that make you a fucking maniac. and environment, you know? So just, I just have a touch of it.
after a couple of days. I'm like, Ooh, I'm feel fucking irritable. You know, like this is not, this is not a good way. This is the opposite of ketamine, right? This is not a good way to interface with people.
If I'm tense and worked up and I run into someone and they're taking too long to talk, you know, they're just blobbing and blah. I'm like, okay, get to the fucking point.
Yeah. Come on,
man. Right. But I'll say it that way. Come on, man. Get to the point.
And then that person's like, Hey, you're fucking rude. That guy's rude. Oh, you give me a fucking ear beating. Like, Oh, my God, he's hostile. Like, I'm sorry.
I'm tense. But if I was high and worked out, I'd be like, I see where you're coming from. I'd maybe joke around a little bit. Like, uh, does this story have an end?
Yeah. Right.
Like with a smile. Right. Just make fun of the situation. Like. I see what you're saying, but run out of time here.
I gotta get out of here.
I do the thing where I could like rapidly, uh, basically describe what they're like, getting to the point at which someone's describing like, like, very rapidly and then like, going like, is that what you mean? And then they'll be like, Oh, yeah. And okay. Okay. Now let's move to the next one.
They want to keep going and expand on it. So it's their own.
That's, that's true.
But there's also a problem that some people just suck at talking.
Of course.
Some people are just not very good at it and they're practicing on you. Like they're practicing. That's true. Yeah. That's very frustrating.
People talking at you,
man, I'm telling you, man, it's like, I, I, it's interesting when I have friends that are like high visible, high visibility friends, or, you know, people that are in the spotlight, and I see how they interact with people, you know, and they might not even be friends. So maybe I'm at a gathering or something like the Emmys party or something like that. And I love like watching all the social interactions and seeing how they, how they do it. Like the other night I met, uh, um, I was at Sarah Silverman's rooftop party and it was like all these amazing people were up there. It was really cool to see everybody.
We hadn't seen each other in a long time. All the people I grew up with doing comedy in 2003 and a little, little tiny club in New York, wherever it's like, look at us. now. You know, it's like, this is cool. We did, we did good or good-ish.
And, uh, anyways, Owen Wilson was up there and I, I noticed a strategy that he used, which I thought was kind of interesting, which was, um, he was leaving and he had kind of met me before, but I don't think he recognized who I was. I didn't think he knew who I was, but he had like this way of like, I'm accepting positive energy. I'm reflecting it immediately. But I also have the momentum of I'm getting the fuck out of here.
Yes.
And, and, and I loved seeing that. I was like, I've done that. I know what it is. And, um, and you know, I don't know. It's like you deal with a lot of people.
You kind of have to, either you're just like, I don't, I'm terrible with people. I'm, I'm, I'm not going to these things, or I'm out or I, at this point, any, the way anybody behaves towards me, I'm not really shocked. I've seen almost everything. I've seen shortness. I've seen people that other people think are rude, but they might be on the spectrum and they don't know how to, they just jump into something as though you've been talking for like hours.
Yeah. Assume that, you know what they're talking about. in those cases. Like, I've developed a lot of patience for that. So, like I try.
And when I'm with my friends, I'm like, I'm like, they're like, whoa, you were really patient with that person. I was like, it's the only way I can do it. It's, it's because I have to give people a little bit of time. I don't want them to take advantage of me, but I got to give them at least a little bit of time to hear what they're talking about. Because, fuck man, the worst thing, my worst nightmare, is like the more successful I get, the more detached I become from the general human populace.
I can't, I can't do it. Most of the places I hang out with, I had a friend who gave me a compliment once. They were like, you're like, you're like a famous person that doesn't live their life like a famous person. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to fucking do that shit. I'm going to the DIY spaces.
I'm helping someone with their flat tire, you know, whatever. It's like. nothing changed. I just have more, some, some more resources. so I can like do some different things, or I have access to a great podcast like this, you know, or get to hang out with like really cool people.
But in general, I just like being a person and hopefully, you know, by me being patient, people observing that they're like, Oh, maybe, maybe I can incorporate a little bit.
The problem is you do open up the door for grifters. Like. there's a lot of people that have got my phone number. I should have got my phone number. Oh, really?
I get text messages. Like, Oh, get things from me and trying to get me to do things for the,
of course, of course,
get people to do this and that. And can you connect me with this person?
You know, you block them,
whatever, you don't block them.
You don't block them.
you, just let you change my phone number. Oh, really? I have a new one. I have to give it to you.
Oh, okay, good. Good to know. I, here's an issue. I have not changed my number since 1998. when I first got singular, I signed up on singular, but I will say this.
I think some of my friends who have to change their numbers, I mean, you're dealing with stuff like the crowds that you do, you're dealing with like fighting, you're, you're, you're interviewing a lot of people that have all kinds of crazy different perspectives. So the interest is high. And so people want to have access to that. For me, it's like, I'm a, I'm a silly guy.
It's a cool guy.
I'm just a silly guy doing things.
You can't give them anything.
Yeah. It's like, I don't really, what are they going to, they're going to ask me like, Hey, can you do my, my show?
Right. Well, that's it. It gets to the point where, like, like, if you're a hot woman and a guy's being nice to you, you don't, you don't think, Oh, this guy's just being nice to me. Like this guy wants to have sex with me. Right.
So that's always on the table. And so when someone's being nice to me, I have to always go, are you trying to get something? Are you just nice? Yes. And, and then it's always like, Hey, I have this business that I'd really like to talk to you about.
Like fuck. Uh, there it goes. I know. I know. I mean, it's that way for me, but it's mostly about like a show.
Like it's always like, can you do my show? Right. Or can you do a voice on my animation thing?
Some of that's cool. No, that's fun.
It's super cool. But like, I'm prepared for it, but it's less stakes than what you're kind of talking about. So I can like,
at a certain level, it gets super weird. Like I have friends that are really like post Malone. He's really famous. He changes his number all the time. Really has to, just has to fucking, I,
I, I get it. I get it. I mean,
everybody's trying to do something with that guy. It's just like, everyone's pulling at you. Everybody wants something, and they look at you as not just a human being, but as a potential for them to step higher.
Dollar signs.
Yeah. Yeah. Dollar success. And also social success. Yeah.
It can be seen, you know, with that person. If you, you, you travel with that person, you do things with that person, it elevates your social status.
Oh, a hundred percent.
And if you're homies with post Malone and you walk into a club, like you're the fucking man. Yeah. Totally.
You were with post Malone.
Yeah.
I'm always like, when I'm with friends, like on that level, I, I'm a little bit, I'm so sensitive to that dynamic that I, I kind of like, go, yeah, I make myself so small. Good. And, and it's like, there's a point of it where now my, my psychologist is like, you got, or my psychiatrist or psychologist, she's, uh, she's like, it's okay to be a little bit, you can own some of your achievements, but you don't have to be an, cause. I'm like, well, if I do that, then I'll be an asshole. It's like, no, that's not, that's not true.
You can still be who you are.
Some of your achievements are real. It's like, like if someone wants to talk to you about music and they're saying a bunch of nonsense, you're like,
Hey,
I'm actually a musician.
I do love it. I'm just like, cool. Right. No, I go, you know what? And then I kind of, but what I do is I like, I add information to kind of fill out their picture, and then they, then they'll sometimes be like, oh, oh, yeah, that.
And I'm like, well, at least I'll, I'll teach you something without saying like, let me teach you something.
The only place I have no room for that is things that are just rock solid and concrete, like where there's,
there's no debate about. the earth is around those kinds.
of things. And, uh, in, in martial arts too. So I've, I get in martial arts conversations with people that have some ridiculous ideas and I have to say, stop, stop, stop. This is,
of course,
you're dealing with a very complex thing. And you have very limited knowledge, and you're, you're talking to an actual expert. I don't like that. I don't like these conversations. I don't want, if you come into it with humility, but if you come into it, tell me that you, you have this fucking thing that you figured out, that no one else has figured out.
I'm like,
yeah, it's less, it's delusional vibes. And that sucks. Have you ever been asked to, to help with fight, choreography and things like for films and things like,
no, no, I've asked, been asked to do them. Yeah.
But I don't want that.
I don't like acting. Oh, okay. I don't enjoy it.
But even like coaching, like a scene to make it look more realistic.
No, no, There's guys that do that are excellent. I'm not needed. You know, it's like, you know, someone who's not a comic, teaching people comedy. It's a very specific skill to make it look good on camera. That's true.
It's different than actual.
Yeah. It's angles. And like, there's certain things, like contact, like there's certain things, you actually have to make contact with a person in order for it to be realistic. So you have to be really good at that. True.
And you have to be good at pulling shots.
Oh yeah. God, that's, I couldn't imagine.
Yeah. You have to hit people and not hurt them. And that's a real issue. with like that. There was always stories about certain action stars that would do fight scenes and hurt the stunt people on purpose.
And the stunt guys would be fucking furious.
Oh, my God.
Cause this guy would actually hit them on purpose, and you knew he was doing it, and it did make the scenes look realistic, but that was not what they had prepared. Right. You know, it's all about expectations. Cause. this is like, someone's getting free shots on you.
Yeah. Oh, by the way, I wrote a book.
Oh,
what's your book about?
Sorry to jump into that. I was like, I should slip that in a little bit. It is about fight choreography. And that's why I was, well, it took a long time, but I was steering us in that direction. Um, no, it's just called great falls, Montana.
And so it's an autobiography about me growing up.
nice. Um, and how long did it take to write that? Was that a pandemic project?
This pandemic project. Yeah.
Nice.
Year and a half, year and almost two years. Oh, there it is. There she is.
Look at that. Out of control. Froze son.
Oh, no. Oh, no.
Fast times, poke, post-punk weirdos, a tale of coming home again. Reggie Watts. Nice. Did you do an audio for it?
I did. Yeah. I kind of didn't want to, so, so, so lazy.
come on.
But I know, I know. I wanted Fred Armisen to do it. No, I know. I know.
I know. You have a very distinct voice. That's true. If someone's reading your life story with a different voice, that would suck.
I thought it would just be like weird, but yes, you're right. You're right.
It'll be weird, but it wouldn't be good. weird. People are like disappointed. Disappointed.
Good, weird. It's like, no, but guys, isn't it funny? They're like, no, I want to hear you.
I had Pee, Wee, Herman do my voice.
It's like, what? Oh, it's like, no, it's like, we just want to hear you. Yeah. No, but it's just like, I don't know. I mean, I wanted to do, I wasn't interested in ever making a book, but then I was like, an autobiography, that sounds a little bit easier, because then I'm just telling stories.
Yeah. And it's about my high school times, which, as you know, like the eighties, were a crazy time, and we did crazy stuff. And I don't know, it's just been, it was, it was fun, fun to like, just show like, this is how I am today. This is where I, this is why.
I love a good autobiography.
Yeah. I mean, I hope it's good.
A good, interesting, honest one. It's fascinating to listen to how people grew up and what they think and how they develop their thought process.
Yeah. Cause it's like, I don't know. for me, it's, I mean, if you think about like all the components, it's like, well, okay, I've got white French mother from France, you know, African American father from Cleveland, Ohio. And you know, they meet in Europe. They, you know, we move around Europe, and then I grew up in Great Falls, Montana as this biracial, weirdo, kind of strange kid, you know, compared to the rest of the populace.
And then just navigating that, but then also getting the fortune of it being in the eighties. It's, uh, I don't know. It's like, I think, like a lot of people, some people have read it, some friends have read it and they're like, um, like Anson Mount is reading, reading it right now. And like Anson seems like, he's the, he's the captain of the enterprise. He's got,
which enterprise?
Uh, the new, the new one. Uh, he's, uh, it's, uh, uh, sorry, strange new worlds, Star Trek, strange new worlds. Oh,
you're a Trekkie.
I, I'm a science fiction lover. I do love Star Trek, cause I watched it with my dad. I love it. I love it, but I love all, I love it all. But yes, I, I, I, just, the new ones really got me, because it does capture the spirit of the old cause.
it's, it's just before the original series,
which I think. before. Yeah,
before. So it's Captain Pike. So that's Anson right there.
And this is on what? How do you consume this? Paramount plus?
I think it's Paramount plus. That's good. It, to me, I was like worried about it, cause Voyager's like, great hair. It's, Anson's awesome. Look at his hair.
Anson's like, he, he plays the part in this really great way. Like, he's like the guy that you would want to tell all your problems to, you know, on the show. And he's a great actor and he's always been really cool with me, but he's done a lot of stuff, but this was the, this is the one. Finally, this is a role that like,
do they have the internet on the new star track shows?
Uh, you, Oh, is there, is there an internet? What do you mean?
Yeah. Do they have internet? Can they Google things?
I think they, of course they have the ship's computer, right? It's like artificial intelligence. I don't know. They never, actually never hear about that. Well, maybe you do hear about that, but on this show, no, it's just like,
you know,
I think it's, I think it's also, I think it's old now, cause they're just like communicating.
Isn't it funny that they never even thought of a phone that would work from space? They used, they thought of it as a walkie talkie, Kirk out.
I know.
Like you had to talk and then you had to wait for the other person to talk. I know. Like a walkie talkie.
It's like, hello, over, hello, over. But I mean, it's like when it came up in the sixties or whatever, but the new one, actually there's a joke about it, because a guy from the future comes into them and he's, he's from the Federation. So he's got the thing that you just hit the badge and they're like, we've analyzed it and apparently it's a communicator. And then Anson's character is just like, yeah, but flipping open the thing, that's, that's the funnest part. That's the best part.
I was like,
imagine talking on a walkie talkie to your friend when she's not on ketamine. Oh my God. With the rambling.
Oh, my God. Well, you'd have to,
over, never comes.
There's just over with never. Are you kidding? You'd miss like, I don't know how much you'd miss. You'd miss a lot.
And if you had to tell her something like really important,
what would you say to it? Cause you'd be like, today was like, okay, I feel, I don't, maybe what's happened. I'm not sure if there's a monster in your neighborhood.
It's like, no, there's a thing you've got to get out of there. And they're just like, yeah, but all of reality is made of particles. So those particles are the essence of perception. I mean, God, I couldn't know, but I've done some functional things on K before, which were pretty functional things. Well, things that you're supposed to be functional for.
Like what? I think the first time I did a lozenge, it was a 200 milligram lozenge. And cause I have a prescription for it. Um,
what is the prescription for it? What does the doctor say when they write that prescription? He likes to get high. It's like,
it's like he really is into, he's a psychonaut. I don't know. No, I mean, it was, it's kind of like, it's for therapeutic reasons, but you can like, it's a friend of a friend. So I was like, well, let me experience this. Cause I want to know what this, what is this like?
But I took the, I took it and I did a live stream and it was during the pandemic and I didn't know how high I was going to get, but I just set up the equipment. I had to problem solve a bunch of stuff and I totally did it successfully. No one knew that I was high. And that's, that's my secret. I will say it's the one strength I have on psychedelics.
I can always do an impression of a non high me, unless, like my eyes are crazy, but generally people are like, I didn't know you were high. It's like, I'm probably peaking on acid and they're like, that's impossible. I'm like, no, it's like, it's something I actually like to practice, cause it's, it's fun.
Practice normalcy.
Yeah. Like I'll do like oftentimes with my friends, are like, we're like all really high on K or something like that. Guys, I'm going to do an impression. This is my favorite thing. I'm going to do an impression of a normal person.
And so I'll like get up and go like, Oh man, I forgot to do this thing. Oh shit. Um, Hey, when you get a chance, can you call so and so or whatever? And then like, go over and like wash my hands and, like, you know, just do normal person stuff. Yeah.
And there's something about like trying to find your center in the middle of a storm that I feel is kind of like, it's like strapping on weights on your ankle or wearing a weighted vest in training. It's like, it's a way of like kind of challenging yourself to the point at which you hopefully make a goal by like achieving some something. Yeah. But I don't know if that's a little too weird.
Well, it's also, you're comfortable with that state, you know, for someone who's never experienced that state before, it becomes overwhelming. And then you kind of like give into the anxiety, the moment in your, and that's the thing about bad trips, right? A lot of it is people fighting it, struggling with the trip and not wanting to accept it, not wanting to let go and give in. Totally. It's a big factor.
Totally. I mean, I get it. And that's why, generally, it's hard for me to find people that are just down, you know, like, if I'm like, whenever I see ketamine, it feels like it's, I'm saying, like the heaviest thing in the world, because either people are like, it's horse tranquilizers. Um, it's K-hole, which is thought of as negative. Um, or they're thinking of like party vibes, like where you're just like doing bumps and you're like, Oh, I'm dancing.
Here's a bump and bump. It's like generally when I do K, if I can, if I can do K, like I want to, I want to be in there. I want to like get in there. And so when people come around or like, that's all I know about it, I'm like, you know what? Come over to my house.
I don't even, people have come up, I should be a coach or something. People come over to my house all the time. They're like, I don't know, man. Uh, I don't know. I'm like, trust me, I'm really good at dosing.
That's always my line. But it's true. People will be like, Oh, it was just like you said, that was great. I was like, I guarantee you'll ask me for another bump. And then I'll be like, no, there's no.
And then, like, Oh, can I have another bump? I was like, I told you it's a great, it's all about set and setting. And I like to have fun. So, but anyways,
I, someone went into a K hole at my club the other night. No. Yeah. Some lady was,
no. In the audience.
Did she have to be taken out? he's doing ketamine. Yeah. They had to get her assistance. Oh,
the good thing is it's over in 20 minutes.
There's a lot of that out here. A lot of people are doing the nasal spray.
That's what I heard. The nasal spray thing. Yeah. I, I, uh, recreationally. And I heard it was like kind of, uh, uh, your engineer was saying that it was like, uh, kind of a, um, uh, tech bro thing, which I'm like, well,
I would call Jamie a producer more than an engineer.
Okay. I apologize.
I was deeply an engineer, but I produce now.
Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha.
Um, yeah, it's a tricky one. Okay. Cause the, just the connotations, the negative connotations.
Yeah. And also where people do it, it's like, don't do it at a comedy club. I was like, like,
why would you don't do that much, or do? Yeah. The thing about those nasal sprays is no one can stop you from just fucking keep hammering that thing.
It's too, it's too convenient.
Next thing you know, your, your hand has a metallic claw and you're in another dimension. Oh my God,
man, the safety, there's nothing that feels more unsafe than when you're like really high on K and you're in an extremely public place. It is, it's quite the challenge. Usually I just tell people, I just tell them just so they know they're like, Hey man, I'm like, I'm really high right now on K and usually people are like, oh, okay. All right.
Yeah. I've never done it like that. I've only tried it a little bit.
Yeah.
I tried the therapeutic dose.
Oh, okay.
That was kind of interesting. Yeah. But too many people I know are too into it. I'm like, that just seems fraud with peril.
Yeah. There's definitely addiction problems. I tend to not have issues with that. I'm addicted to food, but I'm not like, if I go on a tour and I don't have access to anything that I normally have access because I don't drink. I just basically, do, you know, these feel frees and like a weed is definitely my constant, you know, especially edibles and then K.
that's kind of it at this point in my life. But if I go on tour and I don't have access to any of that, I don't really notice. Right. It could be weeks and I'm like,
that's fortunate. Yeah. I feel very fortunate.
Probably. Yeah. Well, I'm not using it to hide. No, you're using it to experience.
Yeah. I want to, I want to explore. Yeah. And there's nothing I've had. Like the, I've had crazy shit happen where I was at a cool party and, uh, this person had converted a room to make it look like the rainforest, like a Brazilian rainforest.
And it had, like Dolby, 5.1 storm sounds and associated lighting. The lighting would change and stuff like that. And so in this dope room and there's like people on all kinds of things, but I was like really high. I took a, I had a couple bumps and then I had a 200 milligram lozenge and I was with a friend of mine, Mason, and, uh, we just sat cross-legged and I put my hands like this and I just, I became a statue. I just froze.
When you're saying bumps, are you saying you're sniffing it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sniffing it. Yeah. So, yeah. So, like, just like, you know, a couple, you know, three bumps or whatever, you know, whatever Coke, the Coke variant, if you know Coke, what a bump is, it's about the same, for, I mean, but I had one of those and we had the lozenge kicked in and we went deep into a K-hole.
Interesting thing was, there was a guy, he's probably like 20 feet away. This people talking all over the place, storm systems, all this stuff. I hear this little voice, like through the storm and like in the distance, going like, Hey, if anybody's out there, um, I'm just, I'm having a crazy trip right now. And I responded, I'm pretty sure this is real. I responded in the quietest voice.
I was like, no, I can totally hear you. What's, what's going on. We started having a conversation back and forth, and Mason can attest to it because he heard me talking. He's like, who are you talking to? I was like, I was talking to that guy over there, and it was a real conversation.
I was like, how is this possible? How can I be having this super quiet conversation? It's almost like quantum tunneling or something like that with this person. And that's happened more than once and where it's almost, I don't want to say telepathy, that's, it's not, it's not telepathy, but I think that it is possible. I mean, they're, they are producing sound, but maybe the brain is able to completely like noise canceling, just take out all of the, the noise and focus on that voice.
I've had weird telepathic stuff on it. That's why I'm interested in like doing more research in different states and seeing what results.
You know, when they first discovered harming, they, um, they try to call it telepathy. Really? Yeah. What is that? Well, harming is a MOA inhibitor.
That's a part of a ayahuasca and many other. There was one that we talked about yesterday that Brian Murray rescue brought up. That was, um, it was a harming. What was it with Jamie? It was a Lotus flower, right?
That's what it was, right? That the ancient Egyptians used. Um, it's an MAO inhibitor. So it, um, it stops monoamine oxidase, uh, in the gut. And that's what makes a dimethyltryptamine orally active.
Oh, right.
And so harming. when they, when, so when they first experienced these altered states, they were trying to isolate the compounds that were responsible for it. And one of them, they decided, was causing these telepathic experiences. And so they tried to call it telepathy. But because of scientific nomenclature that had already been, it had already been discovered as harming.
So they'd already been labeled as harming. So they kept it as harming. But for a while they were calling it telepathy. Because the people that were experiencing, that were having these communications without words and they were experiencing things in unison together. They were experiencing these visions that they felt like they were communicating with each other through this vision, without, without talking.
I mean, I, I completely believe it. I mean, I've, I've just, I've had too many incredible experiences on those types of, especially dissociatives. Um, I mean, this is a different substance that we're talking about, but I've had experiences where you're, I don't know what it is. Like, I've done crazy stuff where I don't have the greatest knees and, and so I'm always, you know, try, I'm careful of it. I'm on ketamine and suddenly I'm like on the ground doing that duck walk or whatever.
No problem.
You don't,
um, just not hot. No. Um, I like hot knees. Good.
Not sexy.
They're not sexy. No.
Maybe get them tattooed. Yeah, that's true.
I'll just get the, I'll get a huge band around each one. No,
it's just like each one of them or something.
I have a low cartilage on the back of each kneecap.
So from,
so there's rub. It's just, I think it's just genetic. Like a, just a genetic thing. that happened. I also, I'm knock need.
So I was, I was born with like, not the greatest, but like knees, and then not feed is,
how does that work?
So knock knee, you know, it's like you're kind of,
uh, knees go in. Yeah.
It's like a,
you know, there's a physical therapist that can correct that with exercise.
Yeah. Well, the, the shape of the, I mean the, really the best thing for it, if I was a kid and maybe now too,
is riding horses or like riding horses. Yeah.
Well, you remember, like, you know, how they always say like cow, cowboys are bowlegged because they're always in the stirrups and they're pushing around. Yeah. And so it makes their legs go out. So when I was a kid, they were like, if you ride horses, you can correct your knock needness.
Could you correct your knock needness with like a machine, like one of those, uh, abductor, adductor machines?
I tried that for a while. I don't think it's strong. It's like you're, no matter how strong your muscles get, like that's such a structural thing to actually change.
You should talk to somebody that's an expert in that. I would. There's some people that have said that, like pigeon toed people, that you can unlearn that.
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