Gaza Blackout, Pakistan strikes back at Iran, and the status of U.S. aid to Ukraine

2024-01-18 00:14:11

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A communications blackout hurts the distribution of aid in Gaza.

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To coordinate the delivery of assistance, it's extremely difficult not to have a phone

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line.

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Phone lines and the Internet have been out for nearly a week as the Israeli military

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campaign against Hamas takes more lives.

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Amir Martinez with Leila Fadl, and this is a burst from NPR News.

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Pakistan carried out airstrikes in Iran two days after Iran did the same in Pakistan.

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Both sides say they're targeting separatist militants, so what's this tit-for-tat all

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about?

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And here in Washington, Republicans are holding up more aid to Ukraine until Democrats agree

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to changes in U.S. border policy.

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We understand that there's concern about the safety, security, sovereignty of Ukraine,

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but the American people have those same concerns about our own domestic sovereignty and our

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safety and our security.

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Is the president willing to make concessions?

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The fighting in the Gaza Strip is getting closer and closer to the largest hospital

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in southern Gaza.

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One of only about a third of hospitals still functioning there.

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Thousands of civilians are sheltering at Nasir Medical Center in Han Yunis, but after airstrikes

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in combat nearby, many of them are evacuating, so 85% of the population is displaced.

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And in Israel, tensions between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and members of his war

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cabinet are raising questions about the durability of his governing coalition.

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NPR's Becky Sullivan joins us now from Tel Aviv to talk about all this.

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Good morning, Becky.

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Good morning, Leila.

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Okay, so let's start with Gaza, where I know it's hard to get information right now because

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communications have been down for days, but what do you know about what's happening at

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the hospital?

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Yeah, that's right.

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So what we do know there is that a few days ago, witnesses say an airstrike hit just about

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150 yards from the entrance to the hospital that killed eight people, according to Doctors

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Without Borders.

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And we've seen videos come out on social media, this limited connectivity that people have

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showing civilians evacuating as you can hear gunfire and explosions behind them.

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We heard from Leo Kahn, he's the head of mission for Palestine with Doctors Without Borders.

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He was at the hospital on Tuesday.

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Yesterday, he came out and put out a little video clip that said, you know, the situation

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there is catastrophic.

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The fighting is very close to us.

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We hear a lot of bombing around, a lot of shooting around.

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In Israel, you know, they say that Hamas uses hospitals for cover for its operations.

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The military said Tuesday that a Hamas fighter launched some kind of munition from the hospital

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grounds at Nassar Hospital.

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That's not something NPR can independently verify.

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Another thing to note is that there is a hostage who was released back in November, telling

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media that she and about 30 others were kept for weeks in this hospital at Nassar Hospital

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in Hanounis.

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Now, Israeli officials have been talking more openly about a war in the north where the

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Israeli military and Lebanese Hezbollah are trading fire.

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Is a new front in this war starting to look like a real possibility?

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You know, there's a lot of talk about that.

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As you say, the militant group Hezbollah is based there, and it's important to note that

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they are much better armed than Hamas.

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And so what we have seen, Leila, is that rockets and other attacks over the border have really

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ramped up over the past two weeks.

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There has been an American envoy up there this month trying to reach a diplomatic agreement

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to try to calm things down.

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Reuters is reporting last night that Hezbollah has rejected that so far.

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And what we're hearing is that both sides are doing a lot of talk, saying that they're

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ready for war.

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As an example, last night, the Israeli military chief of staff, Herzi Halevi, he says,

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I don't know when the war in the north is, but, quote, I can tell you that the likelihood

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of it happening in the coming months is much higher than it was in the past.

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Israel has withdrawn troops from northern Gaza.

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We know, and this morning, a former Israeli national security adviser said that one reason

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for that is to train them and to redeploy them along the northern border in preparation

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for this possible war.

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So we don't know, but the odds seem maybe increasingly likely.

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Hard to say.

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Now, the man leading this war, the Israel-Hamas war, is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

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How are Israelis feeling about how this is all going?

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Yeah.

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I mean, there has been a lot of anger here, especially over the hostages.

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That has sparked up again just over the last day.

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There is debate over what caused the death of two hostages whose bodies were recovered

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from Gaza in December.

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Hamas says they were killed in an Israeli airstrike.

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Yesterday, the Israeli military denied that.

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But importantly, they couldn't rule out that maybe the two hostages were killed as the

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result of an Israeli military action indirectly.

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All this is to say there's this growing skepticism over Israel's argument that military pressure

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is needed to bring about a new hostage release.

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And so there is, you know, some unity that was there at the start of the war, especially

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in Netanyahu's war cabinet, that is kind of starting to fray.

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NPR's Becky Sullivan in Tel Aviv, thank you for your reporting, Becky.

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Thank you.

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Amid the Israel-Hamas war that's gone on more than 100 days, another conflict is emerging.

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Pakistan undertook a series of highly coordinated and specifically targeted precision military

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strikes against terrorist hideouts in Tehran.

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That's Pakistan's foreign ministry spokeswoman announcing this morning that her country's

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military has struck Iran.

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Iranian media report nine people were killed and it comes after Iran this week struck sites

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in Pakistan and Iraq.

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On the line to help us understand what's going on is NPR's Dia Hadid.

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She covers South Asia, including Pakistan, from her base in Mumbai.

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Hi, Dia.

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Hi, Layla.

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OK, so set the scene for us first here.

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What happened exactly?

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Well, Pakistan says it carried out airstrikes inside Iran that targeted hideouts of militants,

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which it accuses of conducting cross-border attacks.

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And that came after Iran conducted its own surprise attacks inside Pakistan.

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Local media reports that in one of those strikes, a mud hut was hit, killing a child and a baby.

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Now, this is all taking place in an area called Balochistan.

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It's vast and it straddles Pakistan and Iran.

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It's rugged, porous and impoverished.

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And it's long been a space where militants, separatists and smugglers have thrived.

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And they've used it as a radar to attack both countries.

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So even in the past, Iran has conducted small ground incursions into Pakistani Balochistan

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in pursuit of militants.

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OK, so you're describing cross-border incursions that have happened before.

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So what's different about what's happening right now?

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This kind of escalation is rare, according to analysts I've spoken to, like Musharraf

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Zaidi.

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He's a columnist and a director of a think tank in Islamabad.

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And he spoke to me from a flight, so you can hear some whooshing noise.

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The scale of what Iran did was unprecedented and certainly Pakistan's response and the

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nature of it, the speed of it and the size of it are also, to my memory, unprecedented.

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And amid these tensions, Pakistan expelled the Iranian ambassador.

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The prime minister and the Pakistani foreign minister have both cut overseas trips and

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they're coming home.

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So it's unprecedented.

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It sounds like it's escalating, at least diplomatically.

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And it comes at a time of uncertainty.

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The war between Israel and Hamas has now gone on for more than 100 days, as I mentioned.

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Are these hostilities related at all?

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Is that conflict turning into something bigger?

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Well, it may be connected in the sense that Iran appears to be concerned.

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It's accused of playing a role in the current war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza through

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proxy groups that are accused of attacking Israeli and American interests in the region.

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And amid that conflict, there was an attack claimed by the Islamic State in Iran that

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killed over 90 people earlier this month.

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So Iran might feel that it needs to reassert its dominance and authority in the region.

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So what's next?

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Is there a sense that these tensions between Pakistan and Iran could escalate further?

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Well, there does seem to be some probing for a way out.

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China, which is an ally of both countries, is offering to help defuse tensions.

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Will it work, though?

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The mood in Pakistan is of surprise and anger.

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And the AP reports Iran's military will also begin today a planned air defense drill from

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a seaport near Pakistan.

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And that might also add to tensions.

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That's NPR's Diya Hadid.

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Thank you, Diya.

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Thank you, Leila.

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Russia invaded Ukraine almost two years ago.

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President Biden used to say Ukraine had U.S. support as long as it takes.

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But lately, he hasn't been able to make that promise.

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That's because Republicans in the House of Representatives have not said yes to a request

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for more aid.

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Here's House Speaker Mike Johnson at the White House last night.

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We understand that there's concern about the safety, security, sovereignty of Ukraine.

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But the American people have those same concerns about our own domestic sovereignty and our

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safety and our security.

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Johnson says he wants big changes in U.S. border policy first before agreeing to any

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more money for Ukraine.

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NPR national political correspondent Mara Liason was at the White House yesterday, and

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she joins us now.

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Good morning, Mara.

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Good morning.

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OK, so the president summoned congressional leaders to the White House to talk about Ukraine.

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How did the conversation go?

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According to White House and Senate officials, it went pretty good.

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According to House Republicans, maybe not so much.

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Now, you heard Speaker Mike Johnson talking just there.

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He didn't say no to Ukraine aid.

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He is still willing, in theory, to provide more aid.

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But he's continuing to tie this to border policy.

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He insists on big changes and that the border policy changes should take priority.

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President Biden says he's willing to make concessions on the border in order to get

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Ukraine aid, also because he's under pressure from blue state Democratic governors and mayors

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who are grappling with increased numbers of migrants.

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So it's not just Republicans in border states.

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And in the Senate, there is a bipartisan group trying to work out a deal on the border that

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would be tied to Ukraine aid.

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And so far, they say they are making progress.

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OK, so the president is willing to make concessions.

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There's a bipartisan group working on it.

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Is that enough to get a deal?

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In the Senate?

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Yes.

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But the House is a question mark.

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Yesterday, the speaker of the House listed off a series of policy measures that he thinks

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are essential.

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They're basically elements of former President Donald Trump's border policy.

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They were in a bill passed by the House.

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But this bill has no chance of clearing the Senate because no Democrats would vote for

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it.

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And of course, it needs 60 votes.

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The question is, would enough Republicans in the House accept anything less than that?

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Many hard right Republicans see bipartisan bills, bills that you pass with Democratic

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votes, as failures.

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That's one of the reasons Kevin McCarthy lost his job as speaker.

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So there's also a school of thought that says some Republicans would rather have the border

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as an issue to use against President Biden going into the 2024 election than actually

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get a bill.

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In the Senate, there are Republicans like Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia who

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say, look, this is the best chance of getting any Democratic support for big changes in

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the border.

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Even if Republicans won the White House in November, we couldn't pass anything like this

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because Democrats would never vote for it.

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What are Democratic leaders saying?

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They talk to reporters outside the White House also.

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They say this would only happen if the two issues are handled together and in a bipartisan

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way.

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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer says he's optimistic.

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He put the chances of a deal as a little bit greater than half.

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He and Biden have been saying that the stakes here are really high.

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This is urgent.

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If Russia wins, takes over Ukraine, it will hurt the national security of the United States.

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It'll hurt NATO and the world.

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NPR's Mara Lyson.

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Thank you, Mara.

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You're welcome.

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