Republican Crime and Safety Platform, Democrats' Plans To Keep Biden Off Ballot

2024-07-17 00:14:45

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Former President Donald Trump's one-time Republican rivals are standing behind him and promising

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to make America safe once again.

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Crime is down nationwide, so why are Republicans saying the opposite and blaming migrants?

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I'm Sasha Pfeiffer, that's A. Martinez, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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Republicans are linking migrants to a broad range of crimes and also fentanyl use and

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overdoses.

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They want to tear down those foundations and remold us into some sort of borderless, lawless,

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Marxist, socialist utopia.

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How do Republicans plan to tackle the social problems behind those claims?

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And President Joe Biden has resisted calls to drop his re-election bid.

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And I am all in!

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How are some of his fellow Democrats trying to keep him off the ballot?

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The theme of the Republican National Convention last night was, quote, make America safe once

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again.

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And that theme echoes a common refrain of former President Donald Trump over the years.

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He often claims that we live in a society plagued by widespread violent crime and contrary

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to evidence that immigrants perpetrate those crimes.

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That was no different last night when members of his party spoke.

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Under Joe Biden, the rule of law has disintegrated.

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Crime is rampant.

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Our communities are under siege.

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And the Democrats have handed over control of my state, Arizona's border, to the drug

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cartels.

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Every day Americans are dying, murdered, assaulted, raped by illegal immigrants that the Democrats

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have released.

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That was Missouri Senator Eric Schmidt, Arizona Senate candidate Carrie Lake, and Texas Senator

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Ted Cruz.

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The speakers often talked about immigration, violent crime, and the fentanyl crisis as

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if they were one and the same.

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Here to help us sort all of this out is NPR's Sergio Martinez Beltran, who covers immigration,

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and NPR's Meg Anderson, who covers criminal justice.

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All right, Sergio, let's start with you.

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A lot of the speeches talked about migrants pouring into the country.

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Do a little fact check for us, if you could.

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Yeah, so it is true that under President Biden, the southern border saw a record high in terms

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of people crossing into the U.S. without authorization.

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But that number has really gone down since January.

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In June, there was a 24% decrease in arrests at the border in comparison to May.

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So no, there has not been a quote-unquote open border or invasion at the southern border.

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Okay, now Republicans also accused Democrats of wanting to allow unauthorized migrants

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to vote.

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What about that one?

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Right, so it is illegal to vote in the U.S. if you're not a citizen, but several Republicans

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last night repeatedly falsely said that Democrats want to allow unauthorized migrants to vote.

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And you know, this is in line with the longstanding Republican rhetoric that elections in this

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country are rampant with voter fraud, although there's no evidence for that.

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Okay, now we heard also a lot of linking of migrants to crime.

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What do we know about that link?

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So last night we heard from the family of Rachel Morin.

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She was murdered on a trail in Maryland last year.

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And a man from El Salvador, who is in a country without authorization, has been charged with

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her murder and rape.

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You know, this is very tragic.

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This is horrible.

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But it is not emblematic of any particular trend, even though Republicans did try to

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frame it that way.

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Multiple studies have found that migrants are less likely to commit a crime than people

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born in the U.S.

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For example, Stanford University found that immigrants are 30% less likely to be imprisoned

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than white Americans.

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All right, now Republicans also linked fentanyl specifically to immigration and border policies.

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Right.

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Last night, several speakers talked about how an increase of fentanyl in the U.S. is

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directly related to President Biden's border policies.

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We heard that multiple times throughout the night, including from Ann Fundner, the mother

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of a teenager who died by fentanyl poisoning in 2022 in California.

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I hold Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Gavin Newsom and every Democrat who supports open

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borders responsible for the death of my son.

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You know, there's no doubt that the number of overdoses has gone up.

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But what we know from Department of Homeland Security data is that most fentanyl smuggled

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through the U.S.-Mexico border happens through ports of entry by U.S. citizens.

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All right.

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Let's turn now to Meg Anderson, covers criminal justice for NPR.

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What about what was said more broadly about crime, Meg?

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What stood out to you?

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Yeah.

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So in addition to everything Sergio just touched on, several speakers pressed for harsher consequences

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for crimes in general.

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They also criticized calls from the left to defund the police.

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Here's Randy Sutton.

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He's a former police lieutenant who spoke last night.

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Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, well, they stand with the criminals.

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The last few years have been devastating for our police.

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The war on cops is very real and it's getting Americans killed.

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But researchers who study crime say whether or not crimes will rise or fall doesn't depend

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so much on how much is spent on police, but rather how police are using their resources.

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And actually, the big elephant in the room about crime and policing that speakers did

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not mention is that right now, crime is actually falling.

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Yeah.

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And that's something that you wouldn't necessarily know from listening to that clip from Sutton.

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Yeah, it's true.

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But the most recent data from the FBI indicates that violent crime, including murder, rape,

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robbery, aggravated assault, is way down after a surge in 2020.

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Those numbers are preliminary.

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They only cover about three quarters of the country.

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But other analysts have found similar results.

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Of course, these are national numbers.

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Some cities have seen increases.

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Others have seen decreases.

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Dallas was offered as an example last night.

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That city has seen declining crime for the last few years.

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And the city's mayor, Eric Johnson, a former Democrat who switched parties last year while

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in office, was quick to take credit for that.

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But I spoke to Ernesto Lopez.

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He's a researcher at the Council on Criminal Justice about this.

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He cautioned against trying to pin rising or falling crime rates on any one political

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party.

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You can have a blue city in a red county in a blue state.

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So it's really unclear how you would even start to untangle all those different layers.

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And when you look at the country more broadly, the decline in crime happened in cities and

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towns big and small, red and blue.

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It happened in the Midwest, the South, the Northeast, all over.

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Yeah, but research shows concern about crime has grown since 2021 among both Democrats

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and Republicans, though more among Republicans.

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So why is that the case if crime is down?

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Yeah, that's actually been true for years.

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Surveys show that people in the U.S. just tend to think crime is up nationwide, even

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when it's not.

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And, you know, of course, there is a difference between perceptions of crime and safety and

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actual crime rates.

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That's according to Insha Rahman at the Vera Institute of Justice, which that's a criminal

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justice research organization.

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And so if somebody walks outside and they see what looks like more disorder to them,

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say more open air drug use or homelessness, they conflate that with crime being up because

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it taps into a sense of disorder.

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So one woman last night from Pittsburgh talked about, you know, filthy tents and drug dealers

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on her street. Those are real social problems, but they aren't necessarily indicators that

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crime is up.

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But, you know, because those problems certainly exist, Rahman says that politicians can tap

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into that to magnify people's fears.

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All right. That's NPR's Meg Anderson and NPR's Sergio Martinez Beltran.

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Thanks to you both.

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You're welcome.

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You're welcome.

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President Biden has tried to make it clear he has no plans to drop out of the race for

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a second term.

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I know how to do this job.

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And I know the good Lord hasn't brought us this far to leave us now.

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But some members of his own party are still scrambling to try to find a way to push him

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off the ballot.

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They're afraid he's going to lose and drag the whole party down with him.

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And there's an important deadline just around the corner that's worrying Democratic

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lawmakers. NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith joins us now from Wisconsin

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with more. So, Tam, after the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump

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talk of trying to get Biden to drop out of the race has seemed to, you know, just fade a

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little bit. But you have some reporting that it has not gone away.

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That is correct.

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My colleague Deirdre Walsh and I obtained copies of a draft letter that has been

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circulating among House Democrats.

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It's a letter to Democratic National Committee members, the people who govern the

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party. And it's about the roll call vote that would officially make President Biden the

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party's nominee.

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This year, the party has decided to hold it early ahead of the convention in Chicago in

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August. And normally this kind of obscure party technicality wouldn't get noticed.

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But these are not normal times.

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No, they are not. So why is the Democratic Party planning to hold this vote before the

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convention? It goes back to May, long before the president's devastating debate

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performance last month.

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And the deadline to get Biden's name on the ballot in the state of Ohio was causing

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concern. If they waited until the convention, there was a chance that Ohio would have

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kept his name off the ballot.

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So the DNC decided to hold this early virtual roll call vote to get around the

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problem. So what's the concern then for Democratic lawmakers?

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Well, there's a twist.

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Ohio's GOP controlled legislature eventually passed a fix for that law.

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So these Democratic lawmakers say there's no longer a need for an early virtual roll

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call vote. They say the party can and should wait for the convention like usual.

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And they accused the DNC of sticking with the plan for political reasons, because the

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vote would likely mean that Biden is the official nominee well before delegates show up

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in Chicago next month.

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That would make it much harder for any sort of last minute challenger or floor fight.

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All right. So what does the DNC and the campaign say about that?

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The chairman of the Democratic National Committee insisted this is not being

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accelerated for political reasons.

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And when pressed on it, Biden deputy campaign manager Quentin Foulkes said the

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campaign just doesn't trust Ohio Republicans on this ballot situation.

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They solved it with a legislative fix.

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We move forward. We instituted this before they had a fix and we're going to continue on

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that path because we're not going to leave it up to them to change the rules again.

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A senior Democratic consultant who works with House members told Deirdre that this

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insistence by the DNC and Biden campaign rubs people the wrong way.

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And with regards to this letter, it hasn't been sent yet and it isn't clear who will sign

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it. But the lawmakers circulating it said if the party sticks with this early vote, it's

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going to hurt morale in the party.

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So when is this roll call vote supposed to happen?

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We don't know yet.

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There are two DNC committees that are meeting on Friday and Sunday to set the rules and

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the date. As it stands right now, this effort to boot Biden still faces serious

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obstacles, like finding a candidate willing to put their neck out and say they want to

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replace Biden and also Biden himself, who's repeatedly said he is staying in the race

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and thus far this pressure campaign isn't working to get him out.

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NPR's Tamara Keith.

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Thanks a lot, Tam.

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You're welcome.

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And that's Up First for Wednesday, July 17th.

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