Flightless Bird: Hot Dogs

2023-12-19 00:43:40

Hi, I’m Dax Shepard, and I love talking to people. I am endlessly fascinated by the messiness of being human, and I find people who are vulnerable and honest about their struggles and shortcomings to be incredibly sexy. I invite you to join me as I explore other people’s stories. We will celebrate, above all, the challenges and setbacks that ultimately lead to growth and betterment. What qualifies me for such an endeavor? More than a decade of sobriety, a degree in Anthropology and four years of improv training. I will attempt to discover human “truths” without any laboratory work, clinical trials or data collection. I will be, in the great tradition of 16th-century scientists, an Armchair Expert.

1Speaker 1
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Hi, it's David here. This is just a quick note before we start the episode. I wanted

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to let you know that Flightless Bird is taking a little break after this episode, returning

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in February next year. February the 6th to be exact. I wanted to say a big thanks for

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listening this year. I get a lot of feedback through email and DMs, and while I can't get

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back to all of you, it's always really great to hear your point of view on the episodes

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that have just gone out, and your ideas for future episodes. I love hearing from you,

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and I really can't wait to get stuck in again next year. You're about to listen to episode

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71 of Flightless Bird, so maybe while we're on a break you can go back and revisit some

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of the old ones. I think episode 1 about religion is really fun. So is episode 11 about circumcision.

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Episode 20, we did porn, and that goes places. Or there's maths, or toilets, or Waffle House,

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or Waco. I also wanted to give a big thanks to everyone who works on this show. Rob, our producer,

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editors Billy and Jake, and Jake and Matt who score every episode. It's a really tiny team,

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and I sort of can't believe we get this thing out every week, so thanks to them. And of course,

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a big thanks to Monica, who I get to hang out with every week, and Dax, who gives us the space to do

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our own thing. I really love discovering America with my little team, and most importantly with you,

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who listens to this show. Thanks, and have a happy holiday. I'm David Farrier, and New Zealand are

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accidentally marooned in America, and I want to figure out what makes this country tick. Now,

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the obvious answer to this question is, of course, food. Food makes America tick,

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because without food, there'd be no Americans. But it's the food that America chooses to consume

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that's fascinating to me, and consume it to a level that boggles the mind. With 62 hot dogs

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and buns in 10 minutes, for his 16th win, I give you the number one ranked eater in the world,

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Joey Chestnut!

1Speaker 1
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That clip was from ESPN, who covered an American man named Joey Chestnut winning his 16th Nathan's

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Hot Dog Eating Contest. 62 hot dogs downed in 10 minutes. It's extreme, but then the average

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American doesn't feel that far behind, because Americans eat 20 billion hot dogs each year.

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Average that out, and the average American eats 70 hot dogs each year. So, grab that wiener and

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bun and prepare to cover it in mustard, ketchup, onions, relish and cheese and all sorts of stuff,

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because this is the Hot Dogs Episode.

2Speaker 2
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Flightless, flightless, flightless bird, touchdown in America. I'm a flightless bird, touchdown in America.

1Speaker 1
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How's it going, Monica?

3Speaker 3
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Well, I'm grateful we're doing this episode, because I do think hot dogs are extremely

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American.

1Speaker 1
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They're so American.

3Speaker 3
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Did you have them in New Zealand?

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, we have hot dogs. If you order a hot dog in New Zealand, you'll get a wiener on a stick,

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which here is a corn dog. So that gets confusing. But yeah, we definitely have them, but they're

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not as much in our culture as they are here. I guess the equivalent to the American hot dog would

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be the mince pie, which I bought you on a while ago. That felt kind of like unhealthy, delicious

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thing that we eat.

3Speaker 3
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I do love a hot dog. My mom loves hot dogs.

1Speaker 1
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Oh, yeah.

3Speaker 3
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So I associate hot dogs a lot with my mother.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, you'd grow up and have hot dogs on weekends and stuff.

3Speaker 3
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Yeah, but also we had the Processed, the brand that I won't say so we don't get in trouble,

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but has a fun rhyme song to it.

1Speaker 1
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I can't stop reading about hot dogs. And so that was that brand. There's the Wienermobile,

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which is a fleet of motor vehicles shaped like a hot dog on a bun.

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And they've been around since 1936.

3Speaker 3
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Wow. Yeah, they're a big-

1Speaker 1
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They're like the thing.

3Speaker 3
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They're the thing. And we would have those hot dogs constantly. My mom would just, I guess,

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like boil them or microwave them. We would just eat them all the time. The classic,

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you cut up hot dogs and eat with ketchup. I had that meal so often growing up.

1Speaker 1
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Do you still today, having eaten so many hot dogs in your life already, do you still enjoy them?

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Are you ever drawn to the hot dog? Or are you like, I'm done with that now?

3Speaker 3
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I am drawn, but if I'm at a cookout, I normally am choosing the burger over the hot dog.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, right. Yeah.

3Speaker 3
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But if I am at a sporting event, like a baseball game specifically, gotta have the hot dog.

1Speaker 1
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I think I had one with you, Rob, right? We had a hot dog at a

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game a while ago, and they're pretty nasty. They're a very basic, soggy dog, aren't they?

3Speaker 3
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I wouldn't say soggy.

1Speaker 1
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I felt like the hot dog, the sausage bit was like,

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I felt like it had just definitely come out of the water. I felt wet.

3Speaker 3
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At the baseball game?

1Speaker 1
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At the game. I felt wet. I just remember eating this dog and thinking it feels damp.

2Speaker 2
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I feel like hot dogs are very specific at baseball games. I'm like, maybe you'll get a stale bun.

3Speaker 3
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I don't feel at all like the hot dog at a baseball game is wet.

1Speaker 1
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I had one wet, bad dog.

3Speaker 3
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Schnauzer.

2Speaker 2
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It was raining that day, so maybe.

1Speaker 1
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Maybe it was. Yeah, maybe it just got rained on.

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It just got rained on. This is slightly on a tangent and probably wildly out of date by

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the time we release this, but I came across a funny thing during the rounds where Uber Eats

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is generating AI-generated food, and the food images, like instead of getting stock images

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of a pizza, they're getting AI to do it. And because it's AI, it's kind of messing up.

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And so these foods are popping up as ads on Uber Eats, and they're all a bit warped

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and a bit wrong. So there'll be like a pizza, but it looks like it's off.

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Oh, weird.

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It looks like a dessert. So the AI is kind of messing it up.

3Speaker 3
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Weird.

1Speaker 1
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Anyway, that's some new food news.

3Speaker 3
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Well, I'm really excited to hear about your adventures. So you and Rob went out eating

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hot dogs. I'm a little, okay, like what the fuck?

1Speaker 1
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It was a boys trip. Sometimes boys just need to be boys. We were out there talking about baes.

3Speaker 3
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Excuse me.

2Speaker 2
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You had to eat those wieners.

1Speaker 1
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You had to eat wieners. We had to man stuff, you know?

3Speaker 3
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2023, and you are not to do that. Like really. So that's not a good excuse.

1Speaker 1
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It was disgusting. So yeah, this is our journey into the world of the hot dog.

2Speaker 2
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Ladies and gentlemen, introducing the chocolate starfish and the hot dog flavored water.

1Speaker 1
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Look, I'm sorry to do that to you, but early on in researching hot dogs, I was reminded of

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90s new metal band Limp Bizkit and their seminal album, Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored

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Water. The reference to the hot dog flavored water was apparently a nod to Crystal Geyser

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bottled water, which the band joked tasted like meaty hot dogs. Ding, ding,

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ding to the bottled water episode of Flightless Bird.

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For this episode, it seemed like a good idea to just go experience some hot dogs,

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as in a bun, the wiener, sauce, the mustard, all the stuff.

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Now in New Zealand, if you order a hot dog, you're likely to get a fried sausage on a stick,

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which in America, I think you call a corn dog. Ding, ding, ding to the Disney episode.

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So on a warm, sluggish LA day, Rob picked me up and he grimaced with a slight level

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of disgust, but also intrigue, as I suggested we go to Pink's.

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Pink's is a Hollywood landmark. Started by Paul and Betty Pink in 1939,

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today it serves about 2,000 hot dogs a day. It's not a place for hardcore foodies,

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but Rob was in a kind mood and said yes. And so 15 minutes later, we pulled up outside Pink's,

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which as the name suggests, is very pink. What are your initial thoughts on Pink's?

2Speaker 2
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Describe this place in Los Angeles. All I really know about it is it's

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famous for their hot dogs. There's always a big line.

1Speaker 1
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The line today is mild, and we look at our options. There are a lot of dogs here.

2Speaker 2
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Classic stretch chili dog, the Brando dog, bacon chili cheese dog, Polish pastrami dog.

1Speaker 1
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This feels like it's all about the filling almost. It's almost what goes in is important,

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because these are huge. Yeah, I'm a little overwhelmed

2Speaker 2
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Good, they've got a Chicago Polish sausage. Hello, they got a Lord of the Rings. That's

1Speaker 1
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right up my alley. Is that what you're gonna get?

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I think I might have to. It looks like it's covered in onion rings.

2Speaker 2
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My stomach hurts a little bit already from looking at these photos though.

1Speaker 1
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I get the Lord of the Rings dog, and Rob gets the bacon chili cheese dog. No tomatoes.

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Can I get no tomatoes on that? On the side, we get some onion rings

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and some bacon nachos with cheese, and some cream sodas. Good Lord, heart attack coming up.

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We walk to our tables out the back, passing an assortment of signed celeb photos on the wall.

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American celebs who have attended Pink's.

2Speaker 2
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Mario Lopez, got Jimmy Kimmel.

1Speaker 1
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Bill Hader. Jamie Lee Curtis.

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It's always nice to know you're dining where one day, years ago, possibly decades ago,

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a famous person also dined.

2Speaker 2
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They were in this room we're standing in right now, David.

1Speaker 1
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I noticed Pink's is also selling merchandise,

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another very American thing that fast food chains seem to do here.

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And speaking of American, are hot dogs American?

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Well, the wieners you find in the hot dog originally came from Germany,

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but America took to them with gusto, and the hot dog became a go-to for America's working class.

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It's rumoured the bun element was added in 1901 in New York,

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when a vendor ran out of paper to hold the sausages in.

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According to Wikipedia, which should not be the source of all knowledge,

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but it's also very, very handy,

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hot dogs are now a traditional element of American food culture,

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having obtained significant cultural and patriotic status

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from their association with public events and sports since the 1920s.

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And today, as I look around Pink's,

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it's sort of nice seeing everyone enjoying the same thing, hot dogs.

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There are couples here, and tourists, and parents with their kids, and me and Rob.

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I go and talk to Anthony, who's just sitting alone, but looks utterly satisfied.

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Just them and their dog.

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What do you like about Pink's? What do you like about this place?

2Speaker 2
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Oh, I've been coming to Pink's since about 1969, since I was young.

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But if anyone asks, I'm only 32.

1Speaker 1
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Who brought you here? What was your first experience like at Pink's?

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Do you remember?

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I think I came with one of my girlfriends back then.

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I was pretty young, and we came here, and I brought her out to eat.

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And I've been coming here ever since.

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What makes their hot dogs good?

2Speaker 2
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They make their hot dogs special for them.

1Speaker 1
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You know, you go to the market,

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you get those skinny little hot dogs that don't taste very good.

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These are really good.

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What is it about the hot dog that makes it such an American meal?

2Speaker 2
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Gee, I don't know.

1Speaker 1
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You know, every time you go to a baseball game,

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they don't serve hamburgers, they serve hot dogs, you know?

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I guess it's the American favorite.

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I wander over to another table.

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There's a couple in their mid-thirties,

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Paige and Spencer.

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And they brought their dad, Greg, out for a hot dog.

2Speaker 2
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Well, I've actually never been here,

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and it's been about 10 years since I've lived in LA.

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So I figured, I gotta do it, you know?

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I gotta try it out.

1Speaker 1
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So this is your first trip here?

2Speaker 2
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This is my first trip, yeah.

1Speaker 1
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Look, you've got a beautiful hot dog in front of you.

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Can you sort of describe what you've ordered

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and what's sitting in front of you there?

2Speaker 2
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So I got the Brando,

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which is a nine-inch stretch hot dog

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with mustard, chili, onions, and cheddar cheese.

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And I'll let you know how it is right now.

1Speaker 1
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He's biting into it.

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It's a big hot dog.

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It's layered in chili, cheese.

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It's intense.

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You got it in there.

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How are you feeling?

2Speaker 2
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I feel complete now.

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I feel like I...

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Those sirens are for you.

2Speaker 2
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I know, these sirens are for me.

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Victory sirens.

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It is a very American kind of pastime.

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I honestly couldn't tell you where it was actually invented.

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It's also super easy and a lot you can do with it,

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as there's like so many different types here.

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So it's kind of fun.

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What would you say?

1Speaker 1
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I think it's simple,

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and it's something we could call ours, you know?

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The pizza, we can't say that.

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I don't know, the hamburgers from Hamburg.

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Although we call it ours.

2Speaker 2
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But yeah, I think we just...

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We love it.

1Speaker 1
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Just quickly, you've got a much healthier dog.

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You've sort of almost got some vegetables on here.

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What's going on?

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Well, I was going to get exactly what my girlfriend got,

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and then I figured I'd get something else,

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which is the Chicago dog,

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which they say drag it through the garden.

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It's got all sorts of like the tomato,

2Speaker 2
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and usually it's pickled.

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This is a little different.

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But yeah, I said that way we could share.

1Speaker 1
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And then she said, oh, I'm not sharing.

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I don't share my hot dog.

2Speaker 2
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We've been together for six years.

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I didn't know that.

5Speaker 5
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This is my dad.

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He's visiting.

1Speaker 1
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What do you think of your hot dog here?

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It looks like there's been a few bites you've taken.

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What do you think?

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Delicious.

2Speaker 2
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Best one I've had today.

1Speaker 1
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I see our hot dogs have just been delivered to our table.

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So rush back to see Rob.

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I'm hungry.

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And these hot dogs are stacked.

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It's more condiments than hot dog.

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There's almost so much on these that they almost,

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you know, it's going to just be a disgusting mess to eat.

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But there's no way to get your mouth around this, right?

2Speaker 2
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No, it's like full appetizer on a hot dog.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, I've just got onion rings and sauce stacked all over mine.

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You've got a lot of bacon, a lot of chili,

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a lot of real nasty cheese.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah, unmelted crap cheese.

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I mean, the cheese is kind of overpowering everything

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that's all I'm tasting.

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It's a hot dog.

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It's good.

1Speaker 1
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Oh, and the sides.

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My God, the sides.

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I mean, can you describe what is sitting here?

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You got this as like a side, essentially.

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What the fuck is this?

2Speaker 2
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French fries with four pounds of cheese.

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It looks like melted on top, like nacho cheese

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and a ton of bacon crumbled all over it.

1Speaker 1
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Americans do love cheese.

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Like cheese has come into a few of these episodes now.

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It's a popular thing here.

2Speaker 2
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I mean, cheese is great.

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You should do an episode about cheese in Wisconsin

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next time you're in the Midwest.

1Speaker 1
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Upcoming episode alert.

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Cheeseheads.

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Eventually, me and Rob are done.

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We're at capacity.

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We're wrecked.

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We're full.

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Full of bread and sausage and cheese and onions and bacon

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and God knows what else.

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Just like many things in America, everything's delicious.

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But I am worried that it is slowly taking days

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and weeks and months off my life.

15:03.74 – 15:04.62

You get that feeling, right?

2Speaker 2
15:04.98 – 15:06.86

Yeah, I feel like we're dying a week earlier

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after this meal, for sure.

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At least.

1Speaker 1
15:09.90 – 15:10.76

And you know what?

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Today, it feels like a price worth paying.

15:15.78 – 15:17.46

It was really delicious.

15:17.46 – 15:18.92

Would you go back to Pink's, Rob?

15:19.46 – 15:20.58

Or just once in your life?

3Speaker 3
15:22.42 – 15:23.14

I want to go.

15:23.18 – 15:24.90

I've never been and it's been on my list.

15:25.06 – 15:26.60

It's a LA institution.

1Speaker 1
15:26.74 – 15:27.60

I'll go back there with you.

15:28.00 – 15:28.50

Rob's out.

15:28.54 – 15:28.92

He's done.

15:29.22 – 15:29.48

He's two.

2Speaker 2
15:29.74 – 15:30.54

I think once was enough.

1Speaker 1
15:31.72 – 15:33.00

It's the foodie and I'm talking.

15:33.94 – 15:34.66

A couple of things.

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Yeah.

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I came across a video on YouTube called How It's Made Hot Dogs.

3Speaker 3
15:40.40 – 15:41.04

Oh, yeah.

1Speaker 1
15:41.40 – 15:45.28

And I suggest you Google that at home and watch it.

15:45.50 – 15:46.98

I'm just going to play it for you, Monica.

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Just a little bit of it.

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The mechanics of hot dog making.

4Speaker 4
15:52.20 – 15:53.62

To create a homogenous mixture,

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the ingredients are combined in a large mixing tank.

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This mixture is then loaded into a sausage stuff,

15:59.44 – 16:01.32

which creates a continuous stream.

3Speaker 3
16:01.62 – 16:03.58

I mean, this is how all sausage is made, by the way.

1Speaker 1
16:03.76 – 16:07.56

Yeah, you forget sometimes about it's sort of a slurry.

16:07.70 – 16:08.14

It is.

16:08.16 – 16:08.34

Almost.

16:08.56 – 16:09.38

It's nasty.

16:09.80 – 16:10.24

It's nasty.

16:10.26 – 16:12.78

The wiener, the sausage, it's really nasty stuff.

3Speaker 3
16:12.88 – 16:15.00

I know, but it tastes so good.

1Speaker 1
16:15.36 – 16:16.30

Well, you know what, Monica?

3Speaker 3
16:17.52 – 16:18.46

What, David?

1Speaker 1
16:20.46 – 16:23.46

I've been recording a Costco episode for a while.

16:24.32 – 16:29.62

And just before I got here, I met up with your friend, Andy.

16:29.74 – 16:30.06

Andy Rosen.

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Our friend Andy now, who is a big Costco enthusiast.

16:33.14 – 16:33.84

Yes, he is.

16:33.86 – 16:37.48

He took me for my first Costco experience, which will be an upcoming episode.

3Speaker 3
16:37.72 – 16:38.90

I can't wait for that.

1Speaker 1
16:39.24 – 16:45.08

But of course, Costco, I learned, has the cafeteria and the $1.50 hot dog.

3Speaker 3
16:45.14 – 16:46.42

People are obsessed with it.

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They're obsessed.

1Speaker 1
16:47.80 – 16:48.30

I had it.

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And?

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Well, I bought some in for you.

?Unknown Speaker
16:51.64 – 16:52.50

You did?

1Speaker 1
16:52.76 – 16:55.26

Yeah, so I'm just going to abandon my mic.

3Speaker 3
16:55.26 – 16:56.14

That's really nice.

16:56.50 – 16:57.52

Thank you.

1Speaker 1
16:58.36 – 17:02.40

I thought it's crazy to do a hot dog episode without letting you have a hot dog.

3Speaker 3
17:02.78 – 17:04.68

I really am grateful.

17:05.00 – 17:07.82

And we had just had Jersey Mike's, but I am still excited.

17:08.34 – 17:09.10

Oh, wow.

17:09.38 – 17:10.48

Do we have condiments?

17:11.76 – 17:13.72

Oh, look at you.

17:14.14 – 17:15.84

Okay, this is controversial.

17:16.42 – 17:18.24

What do you put on your hot dog?

17:18.34 – 17:19.26

Do we get into this?

1Speaker 1
17:19.66 – 17:19.72

This is the question.

17:20.28 – 17:21.36

No, we can get into it now.

3Speaker 3
17:21.40 – 17:21.70

Okay.

17:21.78 – 17:22.20

I want to know.

1Speaker 1
17:22.56 – 17:26.58

So I will say that Costco dog has been sitting in the car for about three hours now.

3Speaker 3
17:26.60 – 17:28.04

Oh, this is so good.

1Speaker 1
17:29.02 – 17:32.00

But look, I just wanted you to have a hot dog in your hand.

17:32.66 – 17:33.24

I appreciate it.

17:33.46 – 17:34.26

I'm going to take a bite of it.

17:34.26 – 17:37.20

I'm going to take a photo of you while you've got that dog there.

3Speaker 3
17:37.20 – 17:41.18

Okay, this will be a controversial photo because I'm choosing.

1Speaker 1
17:41.66 – 17:42.52

You've got the ketchup.

3Speaker 3
17:42.64 – 17:43.04

Ketchup.

1Speaker 1
17:43.46 – 17:44.78

You've got the Heinz.

17:45.42 – 17:48.80

I'm a mustard Heinz combo.

3Speaker 3
17:49.52 – 17:51.88

Wait, you mean you like both?

1Speaker 1
17:52.10 – 17:52.76

I like both.

17:52.86 – 17:56.10

I'll put the mustard and the tomato sauce on.

3Speaker 3
17:56.44 – 17:57.60

I might do both.

17:58.64 – 18:01.58

But I used to, as a kid, I would only do ketchup.

18:01.70 – 18:02.74

I was like, ew, mustard.

18:03.28 – 18:08.06

The older you get though, you realize it's childish to like mustard.

18:08.78 – 18:09.90

I mean, I'm sorry, ketchup.

1Speaker 1
18:10.08 – 18:10.66

I just like ketchup.

3Speaker 3
18:11.84 – 18:14.66

Alison Roman would be mad at me for putting.

18:14.74 – 18:16.26

She will be mad at me for putting.

1Speaker 1
18:16.96 – 18:19.88

I feel like this is like a hot dog can be a happy place.

18:20.02 – 18:23.32

You can be a child and you can just live your best life.

18:23.46 – 18:26.40

You know, that's probably been in my fridge for a while.

?Unknown Speaker
18:27.34 – 18:28.36

Is it old?

1Speaker 1
18:28.54 – 18:29.42

No, it's not old.

18:29.56 – 18:30.94

It's not bad since used by.

18:31.24 – 18:31.90

It's fine.

18:33.02 – 18:33.96

Yeah, it'll be all right.

18:35.04 – 18:36.04

Yeah, it's good.

3Speaker 3
18:36.58 – 18:38.06

It is past.

18:38.30 – 18:38.90

No, is it?

1Speaker 1
18:38.94 – 18:40.00

But only barely.

18:40.00 – 18:40.84

By how much?

3Speaker 3
18:41.20 – 18:43.58

This is past by a month.

1Speaker 1
18:43.90 – 18:44.36

Oh, it's all right.

18:44.46 – 18:44.80

It's fine.

18:44.98 – 18:46.18

Yeah, it'll be all right.

18:46.36 – 18:47.18

I think it's fine.

3Speaker 3
18:47.32 – 18:48.12

It's all, it's all.

1Speaker 1
18:48.12 – 18:49.10

It's refrigerated.

18:49.16 – 18:49.40

Yeah.

18:49.50 – 18:50.82

It'll have a lot of chemicals in there.

3Speaker 3
18:51.02 – 18:51.38

Exactly.

18:51.80 – 18:51.98

Yeah.

18:52.10 – 18:52.86

All right, here we go.

1Speaker 1
18:52.88 – 18:55.08

I'm just going to have a little bite of the hot dog.

18:56.32 – 18:57.08

How is it?

18:57.46 – 18:58.16

It's really good.

18:58.20 – 18:58.74

It's good, right?

18:59.46 – 19:00.62

Yeah, dog's really good.

19:01.28 – 19:03.50

So it's $1.50 at Costco for one of these things.

3Speaker 3
19:03.60 – 19:05.22

I feel like it's an all beef hot dog.

1Speaker 1
19:05.58 – 19:06.12

It's all beef.

19:06.54 – 19:06.78

Yeah.

19:07.12 – 19:07.88

Which is good.

19:07.96 – 19:08.50

I think so.

19:10.00 – 19:14.46

I just Googled the whole Costco $1.50 phenomenon.

19:14.92 – 19:19.64

When longtime Costco president W. Craig Jelinek once complained to Costco co-founder

19:20.16 – 19:24.48

and former CEO Jim that their monolithic warehouse business was losing money on their

19:24.48 – 19:30.46

famously cheap $1.50 hot dog and soda package, Senegal enlistened, nodded, and then did his

19:30.46 – 19:33.42

best to make his take on the situation perfectly clear.

19:33.88 – 19:37.50

If you raise the price of the fucking hot dog, I will kill you.

19:37.52 – 19:38.40

Oh my.

19:38.68 – 19:38.90

Senegal said.

19:38.90 – 19:40.44

So figure it out.

3Speaker 3
19:40.86 – 19:41.22

Wow.

1Speaker 1
19:41.56 – 19:44.56

And that's sort of taken on, I mean, this like does the round every couple of years

19:44.56 – 19:47.34

the story, but it's such like a great bit of Costco myth making.

3Speaker 3
19:47.60 – 19:49.48

Doesn't Costco also have pizza?

1Speaker 1
19:50.04 – 19:50.66

They do.

19:50.86 – 19:52.38

This Costco episode is going to be fun.

19:52.50 – 19:53.30

It was so delicious.

19:53.64 – 19:55.22

I ate so much.

19:55.22 – 19:56.32

I was eating ice cream.

19:56.44 – 19:57.24

I was eating pizza.

3Speaker 3
19:57.66 – 19:58.92

Did Andy get a hot dog too?

1Speaker 1
19:59.04 – 19:59.92

He got a hot dog as well.

20:00.06 – 20:00.92

Oh my God.

3Speaker 3
20:01.14 – 20:02.28

We had a really good time.

1Speaker 1
20:02.82 – 20:07.70

But yeah, the Costco hot dog is allegedly one of the best hot dogs in the United States.

20:07.70 – 20:09.46

And I have to agree after having one.

3Speaker 3
20:09.64 – 20:10.66

It's very good.

1Speaker 1
20:10.90 – 20:11.44

They're really good.

3Speaker 3
20:11.68 – 20:12.20

I'm impressed.

1Speaker 1
20:12.46 – 20:17.88

Another thing after I wrote this documentary, I found this book about hot dogs, which I love.

20:17.90 – 20:19.28

It's called Raw Dog.

20:19.58 – 20:20.62

Oh my God.

20:20.76 – 20:22.56

Which is a great title by Jamie Loftus.

20:22.76 – 20:26.26

It's such a fascinating deep dive into the hot dog.

20:26.38 – 20:27.40

It put me to shame.

20:27.68 – 20:29.06

I can't compete with this stuff.

3Speaker 3
20:29.26 – 20:31.70

David, do you wear condoms when.

2Speaker 2
20:33.32 – 20:34.68

We're talking about Raw Dog?

1Speaker 1
20:35.58 – 20:37.86

David, do you Raw Dog is what you wanted to say?

20:38.08 – 20:38.96

I wear condoms.

20:39.12 – 20:39.56

Absolutely.

20:39.78 – 20:40.82

I'm a big condom user.

20:41.20 – 20:43.48

Whenever I haven't used condoms, it always leads to trouble.

20:43.82 – 20:44.62

That's my motto.

20:44.98 – 20:45.86

Always leads to trouble.

20:46.26 – 20:47.10

Just use them.

3Speaker 3
20:47.86 – 20:48.84

I think that's right, right?

1Speaker 1
20:49.16 – 20:53.12

I mean, look, it depends what your situation is, obviously, whether you use them or not.

20:53.20 – 20:57.68

But I think unless you're in like a long-term partnership, in my experience, stop using

20:57.68 – 20:59.06

condoms, something's going to happen.

3Speaker 3
20:59.30 – 20:59.64

Yeah.

20:59.64 – 21:04.96

And do you show up to the date with your, you bring it in your new wallet?

21:06.40 – 21:08.10

In your condom wallet.

1Speaker 1
21:08.76 – 21:11.88

I haven't used any of those condoms you gave me.

2Speaker 2
21:11.88 – 21:13.14

Are they still in that wallet?

1Speaker 1
21:13.32 – 21:13.90

Yeah, it might still be in the wallet.

3Speaker 3
21:13.90 – 21:14.82

It's good to keep in there.

1Speaker 1
21:15.02 – 21:16.18

I've been too busy Raw Dogging.

3Speaker 3
21:17.24 – 21:19.06

But really, do you bring.

1Speaker 1
21:19.64 – 21:20.74

No, that's a really good question.

21:20.98 – 21:26.44

I definitely have occasionally bought condoms if I think sex might be on the table, on the

21:27.58 – 21:33.02

But also I've definitely been in situations where I haven't had condoms and that they've

21:33.02 – 21:33.82

had condoms.

21:33.96 – 21:34.70

So it's been fine.

21:34.80 – 21:37.72

I'm trying to think if there's ever been an incident where it's like, oh my gosh, we've

21:37.72 – 21:38.92

got to go and find some condoms.

3Speaker 3
21:39.22 – 21:39.58

Right.

1Speaker 1
21:39.60 – 21:42.86

Because that's a bit of a mood killer when suddenly you're on a shopping trip.

21:42.94 – 21:46.78

And when you turn up at like a gas station and you're just buying condoms, I find it's

21:46.78 – 21:47.24

embarrassing.

21:47.36 – 21:48.26

Everyone knows what.

3Speaker 3
21:48.44 – 21:48.86

You're doing.

1Speaker 1
21:48.96 – 21:49.46

You're up to.

3Speaker 3
21:49.54 – 21:56.42

But I kind of feel like this is old school of me, but I wish men would come with the condoms.

21:56.42 – 21:57.66

It should be.

1Speaker 1
21:57.76 – 21:59.40

I think it's sort of the responsibility.

21:59.42 – 22:02.72

Like, I feel like if you have a penis, have the penis cover.

2Speaker 2
22:03.10 – 22:06.58

Well, it happened to me that you were expected to have the condom.

3Speaker 3
22:06.58 – 22:07.10

I get.

22:07.30 – 22:11.22

I mean, we didn't end up using one and I don't like that.

1Speaker 1
22:11.46 – 22:11.70

Yeah.

22:12.24 – 22:16.58

And I think no, I think my general philosophy is if you have a penis and you're going to

22:16.58 – 22:21.10

use it, you should have a little penis cover ready to go on there.

22:21.20 – 22:23.64

I think it's just completely reasonable.

22:23.64 – 22:24.50

A hundred percent.

22:24.58 – 22:28.06

But isn't raw dogging such a horrible, like a horrific term to use?

3Speaker 3
22:28.34 – 22:29.26

Yes, it is.

1Speaker 1
22:29.50 – 22:30.86

That's why this book got my attention.

22:30.98 – 22:31.90

It's called Raw Dog.

22:31.98 – 22:32.68

The Naked Truth About Hot Dogs.

3Speaker 3
22:32.68 – 22:35.00

It really does look like a penis.

1Speaker 1
22:35.28 – 22:35.48

A dick.

22:35.74 – 22:35.82

Yeah.

22:35.94 – 22:37.40

I mean, penises are horrible things.

22:37.52 – 22:38.80

They're such awful.

22:39.02 – 22:41.20

They look either hilarious or disgusting.

22:41.42 – 22:45.76

It's not often you look at a penis and go, wow, God did a really great thing with that.

22:46.22 – 22:46.54

You know?

3Speaker 3
22:47.08 – 22:48.60

It's a fun appendage.

1Speaker 1
22:48.70 – 22:49.34

Yeah, it's fun.

22:49.50 – 22:50.28

I love having one.

22:50.78 – 22:55.64

Um, so I just want to quickly read you a little excerpt from Raw Dog, because there's this

22:55.64 – 22:59.08

great bit about the history, because obviously it came from Germany, but there was a great

22:59.08 – 23:02.30

line in here going even further back, just sort of about sausages.

23:02.76 – 23:07.52

She writes, the ancestral sausage goes back 20,000 years to the Paleolithic era.

23:07.94 – 23:12.94

The primordial dog pops up again in the Middle East during the first millennium BC, appearing

23:12.94 – 23:14.16

in Assyrian texts.

23:14.16 – 23:20.38

And then again, when Homer's The Odyssey turned blood sausages into a metaphor for you tell

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