Camila Cabello: Break Up Sex >>> [VIDEO]

What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

Camila Cabello, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Yes! Yes!

I'm so excited.

I am so happy you're here to anyone in the daddy gang that is listening to this and not watching.

The daddy gang.

The daddy gang. Do you want to say hi?

Oh, my god. yes. Hello, daddy gang. I love the community aspect of it.

Would you consider your sister daddy gang?

Oh, 100%. My sister is daddy gang, for sure.

I love. how can I say your mom walked in here and she's like don't worry, I'm not going to be listening.

I know, because I could just intuit, like I could read your energy, that you were like oh, her mom is here.

I'm like. what do I have in here? that's sexual? I'm like just close your ears and pretend this isn't happening. To anyone.

You know, I felt like I just I needed a big physical change. Because I feel like I don't know my dark hair has been with me for all of my life. I feel like it was just like a big part of how the public saw me, the world saw me, how I saw myself. And I feel like it's just been a year of like. the theme has very much been like play and transformation and changing and being brave.

I was going to ask because I was talking to someone like would I ever change my hair color? I'm like, oh my god, I don't know if I would, but I would do wigs before you, just go for it.

I definitely think you need to do wigs because it's such a big change. But I do feel like everybody should do it. I mean not everybody should do it, but it's like a fun like I don't know. it brings out a different part of your personality. It's like I don't know.

Cheers. Cheers. We're drinking wine.

I need a little bit of wine because we were talking about. I don't really do stuff like this. So I definitely was like a little nervous. But I'm also. I'm really excited, for, like my fans.

Cheers. Cheers.

Cheers.

I'm going to look over and Camila is going to be chugging the entire thing. Wait, slow down.

No. It's 1 p.m.

Yes. For context, it's 1 in the afternoon and the sun is out and we're drinking wine.

But honestly, I haven't. I haven't drank in a second. I've been working so much. I really I'm like. I feel like I kind of just you have had a really busy schedule too.

I was doing meetings with foils in my head like what are we doing?

We deserve this.

That's what I get excited about for these type of interviews that you haven't done something like this in a while.

No. And years. I feel like.

And I think it's important, though, to sometimes like step back. Like why do you think you haven't done something in a while?

I think it was just I needed to kind of protect myself from. I actually wouldn't even say protect myself. I think I just. I needed to just be a human being. I needed to be a person.

Let's talk about you growing up for a second. Okay. Girl, you're like fuck. Cheers.

Cheers again. My God. To exploring childhood.

We're going to go through all the eras.

Yeah. The origin myth.

Okay. Born in Cuba.

Yeah.

You moved to Miami when you're like seven. Yeah.

It's so funny because I always say six or seven. My mom is like you have to like pick an age. Right.

Like which was it?

Yeah. I don't know. I moved when I was six or seven and when I was six or seven, it's like I wouldn't say that.

So six or seven. Yeah. Camila moves to Miami. Can you tell me, like, how did your parents explain to you that you were moving?

My mom told me we were going to Disney World. Oh. As immigrant parents do, they lie to protect us. I love my mom so much. She's not watching, so I don't have to worry about hurting her feelings on that one.

Why did you guys move?

I think it was just the situation in Cuba was getting more and more difficult, like lack of, there was just like such a ceiling, like, as far as, like, you know, my mom was an architect and even if you had a good job, there was just like such, there was like not a lot of resources, like even like food, medicine, education. Like, I don't think a lot of people know, like the situation there is like, really, it's pretty, it's pretty tough, especially right now. Like there's like, there's not a lot of food. I have family members that have come, even like a month ago, that are still coming and you know, they see like the food that we have like in, you know, in the pantry, and they're like, we're just like not used to this. And, and I think that's like, what's amazing too about Miami and the community there is like, I think, because everybody has those common, like start from nothing, thing, like it really is like, hey, like if you don't have a job, like I've got this uncle, I got this cousin, like you, come work for me.

Helping each other.

Helping each other. And also, just like helping each other, improvise. And we're constantly like trying to like bring our family over.

I think even when you were saying that, like six or seven age, I think at that time-.

The new age, six or seven. Yeah, new age. One word.

Six or seven.

I came when I was six or seven.

When you were six or seven, I'm thinking about you moving to having to go to a new school, moving to a new country, probably not completely speaking English.

Oh, no, not at all. At all. How did you- I mean, no speaking.

How did you make friends? Like what was school like?

I really made friends. It's crazy to think about. Like. in hindsight, I made my best friends through music, always. I was always, like, you know, my first friend that I made, her name was Giselle, and we lived in like an apartment complex.

I was going to say you manifested the shit.

Yeah, I know. I really manifested the shit out of like my fucking life. Then you were Cinderella. Yeah, I know. And I was in a girl group.

So you knew from a young age that you like loved performing?

I loved, I wouldn't even say performing, because I was really, really shy. It was like almost, it was like really reserved for my friends. And I remember. my friends even say now, they're like, remember when we used to be like, sing, sing. Because I don't know if that was a thing for when it was your age, but I feel like anybody who was like, had like, a good voice in school, it was like, it was kind of like, sing.

And at the time it was like, it was in such like good faith that people were trying to, but meanwhile, the person that is going to have to sing feels like, fuck all of you. I don't want to sing. So if I was to ask any of the kids that went to your school that weren't your friends, like, okay, Camila, at 15 years old, is going to become a huge pop star, famous. What do you think they would have said?

There were people that were like, I didn't even know that, like she sang. Stop. Because I was just, I was, I went through different phases. Like, I think there was with some people that I was really funny and class clowny and whatever. And then for most people, I was really, I was like really shy.

Okay. Let's talk about X Factor. So I'm reading online and I'm like, wait, is this true? I'm like, you said that you went on X Factor first to just meet One Direction.

This is, this is true. I mean.

Tell me the plan. Like, what was the plan going in there?

I mean, honestly, I was a huge, I don't know if, I'm curious, if you were too, but I was like, you know, like I was like such a big pop culture fan, like since I was young. And my friends and I really bonded over that. Like, we didn't love fucking One Direction. We loved One Direction.

We loved One Direction.

Yeah, we loved One Direction.

We wanted to fuck One Direction.

I mean, at that age, we just wanted, I wanted to just kiss them. Like, just anything.

Yeah.

Like, I don't have anybody that knows anybody. I'm like in Miami, like nobody fucking, the most that we had was, I don't know if you remember, like, when that like person would come on the radio and be like, auditions for Nickelodeon. Yes. Like, do you want to be the next? Selena Gomez, Justin Bieber?

Just so you know, I was one of those girls too. Be like, yes!

Did you audition?

No, I couldn't sing.

All of my friends and I auditioned and they were like, you are amazing. You're only going to have to pay $15,000 to go to this acting school. And my mom was like, yeah. Yeah, scam. But that was like, in hindsight, it was always the center of my life was music and singing and writing and whatever.

Then, like Zayn, really popped off and like I met him in person. Great guy. Like I, was like, oh, okay.

No, and Niall is so lovely too. He's like amazing. Harry.

Harry.

I just, I was like, I really, really. He was an inspiring muse for me at 15..

When you talk about a guy when you're younger that you were obsessed with, like it does, It's a sickness. It brings you back. Like I kind of had that with Justin Bieber, where you're like,

Oh, I was also obsessed with Justin Bieber.

Justin, and I'm like, I want to be the one less lonely girl. Like shut up, Alex.

It's crazy how delusional you are at that age. You believe. No, you believe that you're meant to fall in love, that they don't know that you are the girl for them. Like, they don't know it, but once they do, there will be no stopping that train. It's crazy how delusional you are at that age.

Did you ever do this? Like? I remember I'd be at concerts, and I'm like, if he just locks eyes with me.

Oh no, me too. Me too. I'd be like, I would, I would, I remember, like going to the concert being like, I have to look incredible because for some reason I thought me at 15 years old with like my, like, insanely terrible, like side bang and, like, you know, like that he would lock eyes and then he would know for some reason. It's crazy. I still have some of that delusion left in me now.

I think it's good delusion, though, right?

It's fun. It keeps you, it keeps, it keeps things spicy.

It does. On your toes, you know? Oh yeah.

A hundred percent.

Just like wanting things you can't have.

No, delusion is a necessary ingredient, I think. So, like my, my happiness, but I definitely had way more at 15.. I definitely was like once, once he sees me, he's, he's, he's dumping. Kendall Jenner. He will know.

He won't even know what hit him. When our eyes lock, it's like game over, baby wifey. Okay.

And then I look pictures of myself at that age and I'm like, oh my God, like. I look like such a baby. Like it was never going to happen.

Never going to happen. But you joined Fifth Harmony and obviously you don't join One Direction, although you probably wanted to be like the one girl.

But I joined the, what felt to me like at that time, like I was like, oh my God, this.

is happening to me now. God, no, that's actually so crazy. Like you were becoming like the female version of the new One Direction. Yeah.

I mean like when I remember, when we were at X Factor and they started like calling our names up, I was like, I know this fucking story. I've seen it.

Obviously there was a lot of drama when you walked away from the group. Yeah. And now that, like time has passed and you look back at everything, like how do you feel about how everything went down?

I feel like I'm like, can really focus on and remember the really joyful times. And, you know, I grew a lot in that group. And I, I remember waking up on tour and going to my hotel room at like 7am and going to my garage band and like writing songs. Cause I didn't want to, like, you know, do it while everybody was there. And I, just like, I had such a passion for that, turned into writing.

I think also like that's so okay. And I think there's two parts of it. One, people can look back and be heartbroken that something breaks up. So understandable. Similar to One Direction.

Of course it is. It's like, oh my God. Yeah, it is.

But it's kind of necessary to grow.

It's like any breakup. Like, yeah, it sucks.

Yes. Which we're going to get into. Okay.

Oh, my God. Yes, it is.

Like crazy. You're a celebrity at such a young age. You're touring, you're busy. Did you have time to date? How did you meet guys?

When I was 15 to 19,. it was like guys that, you know, like not a lot, like a few. A few. And it was very like we saw each other. maybe once or twice a year.

Okay.

Yeah. Because before that it was just like the group was like all encompassing. That was your relationship. That was my relationship. Yeah.

I feel like everyone remembers their first love. I remember mine. I feel like you can kind of never be the same after it, because it teaches you so much and it is, you experience so many firsts with this person. What comes to your mind when you think of like your first love?

My first love was, I feel like I've had a few, maybe a couple great loves. Okay. How about you?

I think I've had a couple as well. I think it's interesting because now that I'm engaged, I look back on it and-.

You're like that wasn't-.

Well, yeah, it's interesting. It's like it's different, and I talk about this with Matt all the time, and I'm so happy that we have a healthy enough relationship to talk about exes and not be like insecure about it, which I used to. I would have been insecure in past relationships to talk about exes, but when I think about being in love, I definitely can pinpoint, like the first person I was in love with that I met when I was like 16, and it was just this, like all encompassing-.

Oh, God. Yeah, me too. Just like wrecks you. Me too. And 17 was probably my first like really in love.

That's a good point. It's like I feel like when I look back, I agree with you, all of my loves are different. Yeah. But it's also just so fucking weird because you are so different. And I think of like what I was giving.

Oh, my God.

It was like fighting and writing letters. And it was like that notebook type of love where it's like so fucking hard and devastating. You're just like, fuck my life. But when you leave those type of relationships, I feel like it leaves the biggest lasting memory for a while, because it was so hard and you fought so much and it was so loving but then difficult that, like you can kind of romanticize it. once you leave.

No, totally. Totally. I mean, I think, like there is a part of me that still, it depends what mood I'm in. Sometimes I really want peace and happiness, and other times I still miss and love that chaotic, sickening feeling and I don't know what that is. I have to explore it further in therapy.

But it's relatable.

You know that quote. that's like find someone that's good for your nervous system. Yes. A lot of the times, the people that do make you feel fucking sick with love are not good for your nervous system, but it feels so good and terrible at the same time.

Because when it's good, it's so fucking good.

Because when it's good, it's like you could cut my leg off. today. I will be smiling all teeth.

But when it's bad, and I think this is what's so interesting, when it is bad and I think back to those type of relationships, there's something like that makes you feel even more romantic about it, because it's like we're fighting, we're working.

Yes, totally.

It is kind of convoluted, and there are some relationships that take a lot of work to then get to be good, or there are just a lot of relationships that just shouldn't fucking work but we put so much into them because it is addicting.

And it really changes. I feel like as you age. I feel like when I was younger, so many relationships were like my projection of people in my head and I really romanticized the shit out of them and I really took a little thing that they said and I just ran with that. Totally. But now I find that it's like the people that you meet that are like really exciting, and how you have real chemistry with, it really is rare and hard to find.

It is so fucking hard to find. I find like the first couple hangouts, you will kind of be able to just gauge like if it's there, because I'm not someone that's as much of like a slow burn type of person.

I am not a slow burn. And what sucks is that I hear that that's the healthiest thing. It's like I've heard podcasts where people are like, if you kind of like this person and if you're curious, just go on a second date. And I'm just the kind of person that's like if I am not like going to sleep, like wanting to have you inside me.

No, I get it. I get it.

Honestly, that's extreme. Maybe not that. But if I don't leave the date and I'm like, wow, it's really hard for me to have that slow burn approach. But I'm trying to be more like that.

I agree. I also just want to validate you, because it's not extreme what you just said. I think when I've left first dates, you want to like, I know it sounds fucking crazy, but this is a girl's girl podcast. So everyone girl will get it. You leave and you can like literally quickly go through, like picturing yourself in like positions with them and places, well positions physically and like places in life, and just like kind of quickly the next year with them and you're like picturing like the next date and your sexual chemistry.

I know. But a lot of people say, like you should. And, you know, and fuck off. Yeah, I know. I know.

God damn it.

It's interesting. But I love it. I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What is single Camila like?

Okay.

Okay.

Um, because it just makes me feel, it's just so fun. Yeah. I love, I honestly love being single. I love it. But I also, I've been in relationships for a lot of my, since I started dating, like since I started dating when I was 20, I was in long term relationships a lot.

Those beginning stages are like.

Beginning stage, also, also my weakness. Because I love a beginning stage. It's so fun.

It's so good. It's, I think, why I had such a hard time getting into serious relationships. I feel that. Because the thrill and the excitement and the unknown is so fun. It's so fun.

And you start to realize there. also, there are other things that are important. Like you can go deeper, and that's surprising. And you know, at the end of the day, it's like we're people that are, I really believe, like. we're never just one person.

That's a good point.

But, but I do feel like I'm like, I think also because I was just in like a heavy, like, like, you know, like writing process, writing stage, it's really experiences. I'm just like so hungry for experiences. Like the more experiences. The better. The better.

Okay. So one experience you had recently that we all saw online was you were on a vacation with Drake.

Oh gosh. Well, you know what?

I have to ask. I can't not ask.

Yeah, of course. Of course. Of course.

Have you guys ever been a thing?

Well, I wouldn't, first of all, I wouldn't say like straight up vacation. Okay. Okay. Okay. It was vacation plus, plus some work.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, the whole internet just broke.

So it was vacation plus some work, but I will say, you know what?

We all love that man.

We all love him. Right?

The internet really loved him recently.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about.

Okay. So have you ever had, can we confirm or no?

Um, have I ever had what? Like a little thing with Drake. Like a beautiful artistic collaboration with him? Yes. I may or may not have.

What is it like going on vacation with Drake? Okay.

First of all, we did not go on vacation. This was like, this was like a homie, like friends trip. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Love him.

Love him as an artist for real.

Me too.

Love him like, right? Yes. He's the best.

Yes.

Cool to go. Um, he, I love him so much and I really listened to him a lot during my writing process, during my album. And I really felt like he would like my album.

Love. For real. Confident. Confident. Fucking, love it.

And so I DM'd him and I was like, Hey, I really want to play. I was like, you know what? I'm just going to put it out there. That's fucking baller. We gotta, we, we gotta make shit happen.

You gotta make shit happen.

We gotta make shit happen. So I DM'd him and I was like, I would love to play you on my album. I honestly feel like you would really love it, because you know, because, because, because I listened to him a lot and I, and I just feel like we're, I really do feel like musically, in a lot of ways, we like the same things. And I feel, um, yeah. So I, we hung out, I played him my album.

What'd he say?

He loved it. Okay. As I, and I, and I thought that he would. And I was like, so excited. It was also such a surreal moment for me to like play Drake, my songs, and, like, dude, you know, that's another one of those things that you're just like, wow, I would have never expected that this would happen.

A dream. It's a dream. It's a dream.

I remember being there and being like, wow, this is like so fucking sick. And he's so generous and so kind. and, but anyway, so I didn't like just go on vacation with him. It was like a vacation, like work thing. But honestly, I will say I love him and I'm, and, and that has been such a fun part about this whole experience.

Let's do a toast to Drake.

Toast to Drake, to Champagne Poppy. God bless. We all love you. God bless. We really do love you.

I love you. Okay. So you are single. So what is the approach to dating? Are you looking for something serious?

As far as looking for something serious, I don't know. I have phases. Like maybe like two weeks ago, I'm like, oh my God, like I really just, I want to really have something real with someone. I'm ready. I'm ready.

Like we're in love.

Oh yeah. A hundred percent.

Are you someone that will have a roster? Like? what's the situation? Are you good at handling multiple men at once?

I do like a little bit, not too much, but just a little bit of like a, you know, there's like maybe a few vibes. Yeah. There's a few vibes, you know, and I think there's, there's a different level of like, for some people, roster is like the intimacy is like maybe sleeping with all of them. That's too much for me. It's more kind of like vibes and talking, hanging out, whatever.

I completely agree. I feel like when you're in the single stage, it's helpful to kind of just like pick around and just kind of like keep a couple people in the arena just to be like, yeah. That's where I am.

Like what's your vibe? What's your vibe?

Right. And then, like once one kind of drops off, you can pick up a new one. Yeah. But it's fun.

You're my new favorite.

Yes. And I think as busy as you are, I get that. It's like unless the person is going to be like, holy shit, this is like late night till 3 a.m. you're fucking talking.

Exactly. If it's late night till 3 a.m. and we have this insane connection and I'm like, oh, you're like, it's giving father of my children vibe. Like I will, I will fly anywhere. You like what you like, whatever.

Wait, have you ever flown a guy somewhere?

Only in like relationship vibes. Okay. No, I mean, I haven't like flown them. Got it. They fly to- Right up the front of the plane.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, I know.

What gives you the ick?

To be honest, one of the things that would give me the ick is I don't really want to be like with a guy. Like. I don't want to be like on my daddy shit.

Have a little bit of like that, like masculine energy, kind of. take control. Take control. Especially because you're in control all fucking day with your career.

And that's a big psychological thing. Do you feel like that too?

I was going to say like, I want for sure respect. But if I'm like, I am literally running the ship here.

No, same. If I'm making decisions all day and I have to be like on my fucking like whatever-.

Daddy shit.

On ironic daddy boss, girl shit, you better come correct when it's time. And let me just not think about anything. Like. I want you to like, fuck. I want to let go and surrender.

What is your philosophy around ghosting? Are we ghosting people?

Are we not? No, I don't like that. I mean, I actually had a conversation with my friends the other day because I went on a date with this guy. Okay. One date.

How did it go?

Not great. Okay. I didn't like it. And I went on a date with this guy and he was like texting me and I asked my friends. I was like, hey guys, if I don't answer, is this ghosting?

Okay.

But they're not like- Right. He wasn't famous.

Why did it not go? well? It was just so boring.

Like. there was no spark. No. You were like-. I was thinking about-.

Every other act.

Yeah. Like I was just not thinking-.

That can't happen. That's the fucking worst when you're like-.

Or just the number one on the roster. Oh.

You're like, he's looking real good right now.

Like. you're like, I'm just thinking about number one, and you're like-.

You're like, get out.

Just leave. Yeah.

But you went through the whole fucking date.

I honestly, this is actually crazy. So I had my, I was hiding my hair.

Were you wearing a beanie?

I was wearing a black wig and-.

No, did-.

I was just like, my head really hurts.

Camila, you said that you had like a headache? Did he know you were wearing a wig?

I told him. Yeah.

You're like, babe, the wig's really pulling.

I gotta go. I was like, I gotta go.

What did he say?

He was like, yeah, of course, let's go.

You're like, no, but like alone.

Yeah, I feel bad. I really hope he doesn't see this.

He won't. There's no way. I don't think he'll see this. But the thing is this. Sometimes in life, you gotta just feel the vibes.

Let me rephrase this. Okay.

Yeah, just in case. Just in case.

It wasn't that it was boring. I just was like, my heart wasn't in it.

I think that's okay.

My heart was with someone else.

Listen, I think that's fine to say. And I think we, especially as women, need to get more comfortable. Because how many fucking times are men like, nah, she ain't hot enough. Or like, nah, she's not that. You just didn't vibe with it.

It wasn't it. It wasn't it.

That doesn't mean he's not an amazing person.

It wasn't a fit. But I am sensitive about ghosting. Because I feel like you have to be kind to people.

And I also, just to clarify for your own conscience, as we're drinking our wine, that's not ghosting. I don't think so either. He sent you one text. You didn't respond. And I kind of love a guy that's self-aware enough to be like, just got it.

Checked it. 100%. She's not into it. And also, it's one date.

Yeah. We didn't have three months together. 100%.

That's crazy. When people do that, if I was with somebody and they ghosted me after we were intimate or after we, whatever, I would be like, you're just like, that's a very unkind thing to do. And I wouldn't want to be with somebody like that anyway.

What is the biggest red flag that you've ever willingly ignored?

So many. I mean, right? So many. I don't know. You start.

I would say, I think, when I look back at past relationships, something that comes up for me is feeling insecure around him. Ugh.

Big.

You should never feel like, oh my God, I don't want him to see me in the morning if I have a breakout or do I look good enough for this date? Or if I'm on the date, is he looking at other women? When you're with the right person, you would never think that way. And I think that is something I would ignore in this one relationship I had, where I was constantly feeling like I wasn't good enough. And it's like, why?

I think that's a big red flag is how you feel. That's just such a big temperature check in relationships. I've been in relationships before where I'm like, if I am miserable for this long, there is just something off. And every time I've been like, it's me, it's me, it's me. It's me.

Just like, it's not right. It's not right. Have you ever been cheated on?

I actually, I'm lucky to say I have not been cheated on. It's amazing. I know. That's amazing. Maybe, I really don't think this counts, but I was like 17 and talking to a guy, but I don't think that counts.

Have you ever had someone go through your phone?

I had deleted some text.

Right.

And they were like, why did you delete this? Text message? history. Got it. With another person.

My phone deletes things.

I was like young.

You were being a little shady.

I was being a little shady.

And then they caught you. But that's where it's so fucked, because you're like, who's in the wrong? And then it's like the meme of Spider-Man, where it's like.

I was definitely in the wrong. Okay. Okay. For sure. I love that.

My phone deletes things. Oh.

Terrible.

Bullshit. That's such a bad lie. It's amazing.

I was like, I have never been, to this day, I don't think I've ever been so scared in my life. Right. I was like. Apple. It's crazy.

That's good.

But you know, shit happens. Life happens.

It happens. Okay. We're going to play rapid-fire. If you had to trade lives with any celebrity, who would it be?

I honestly would say no one.

Really?

I like my life. Love, what about you?

I don't know why this just came up for me. I don't know if it's the wine. Yeah, go. But I was going to say like, maybe like Meryl Streep?

Interesting. I think, I think I would- I mean it would be amazing to be like one of the best actresses in the fucking world.

Totally. I think it's more because, I think if I was had to pick a celebrity, I would want someone that's like not in the public eye and like chooses to not, she's never being paparazzi, she's never- No. So Meryl Streep. Okay, we're moving on.

No, that's a good one. Okay.

Have you ever had to lie to your friends about a guy you were seeing?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. All the time. Like, not all the time, but like, I love this TikTok that I see, it's like, like your friend is like, you, like show them like a terrible text.

Those are good friends. sometimes, though.

They're like, dude, how could you text him back? Don't text him. Don't do that emoji. Don't, I'm like, oh my God, I didn't know you guys were mean. Fuck.

They're keeping you in line.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Cause, I'm like the opposite. I'm like, I'm a dumbass.

I get it. I get it.

I'm an idiot.

I was just going with it.

Yeah.

What is your biggest insecurity?

My biggest insecurity, like internal, external, whatever, whatever. This is just, this is probably the wine too. And I saw this Jodie Foster, like interview, like I was reading it yesterday. Congrats on your New York Times article, by the way. Thank you.

I think that is one of the most relatable feelings. Like. I think we all can try to put up a front of like, I don't care about like the mean comments or this and that.

I try to not care, but at the same time it's like, yeah, I really, I want love from people, you know?

And you want people to understand you because, like, I can tell, you have such a good heart that, like, it's a difficult balance of like people seeing things online and then you're like, I can't run to defend myself every moment.

No, not at all.

But it is tough when you are being perceived in a way that you're like, that's not accurate. That's infuriating.

It is. It is. There's a lot of surrender. Like you have to really let go.

If you're spicing it up with lingerie, what color are you wearing?

Ooh, I think black.

Morning sex or night sex?

I honestly love morning sex. I like both, but there's, and my favorite is actually like, I love, like an afternoon vibe, because it feels so like European. It feels so like you're like not working and it feels like so primal in a way. Like I don't have to work. Right.

I love you. It's so good. If you're going home with someone, are you going back to his or is he coming to yours?

I prefer him coming back to mine, for sure.

Biggest turnoff in the bedroom?

I don't like, like silence and like, like just like no passion. Yeah. I need like-.

Going through the motions.

I hate going through the motions. I'm like, why are we even doing this? Right.

Why are we like making eye contact? Why aren't we making out? Like what's going on?

Why are you saying things to me? Like let's like, you know what I mean? Yes. I get it. Yeah.

Favorite sex position?

It depends on the vibe and it depends on the energy of whatever's happening in that moment. Like it's, there's like in love sex and then there's like kind of freaky vibes.

I get it.

You know, I think different, different strokes for different times. I get it.

Okay.

Literally.

I gotta ask what your opinion is on getting back with an ex?

I'm personally, I think it's a no and I'm a fan. Um, I support it, support it in the past. Cheers. Cheers. What about you?

I think it's so, it, it, I personally think it's helpful.

It's helpful, because I am not a person. You can't forbid things from me because I will want to do it more. Yes. If I tell myself, some of my friends are really good at that. They're like, well, not going to text them because blah, blah, blah.

I completely agree. You know, I've gotten back with exes. Even if I know it's not going to work, sometimes you need that closure.

You need to know that it's not going to work.

And it needs to be on your terms.

And then you need to be over it and you need to be like, I did it and I've, I know, I know.

I know. And I know. Okay. So I have to just say it.

Yes, sure. Fuck it. Okay.

So it looked, it looked to the world like you and your ex, Shawn Mendes, kind of like dabbled with the idea of getting back together about a year ago. What was going on?

You know, I think it's like what we were just talking about, like, yeah, yeah. And you know, it's crazy, because I, just like, I, I'm kind of like impulsive. in that way, I would say. Like, I feel like, if I feel it, I say it and I'm not really good at not doing that. Like I said, because then the worst place for it to live in is my mind.

When you rekindle something with an ex, I've done it myself. I find, and I don't know if this is for you, I find the second breakup is always a little bit easier than the first initial, because it's kind of already been over. Then you try to rekindle again. How did you guys make this huge decision to be like, okay, we're moving on?

I think it was just like, it wasn't even like a decision. I think you just kind of are like, yeah, this doesn't really, it's not a fit. It doesn't feel right. And I think luckily, you know, I was in a place in my life where it took me less time to realize that, like it took us both less time, like to be like, it doesn't feel right and we don't really need to like, try so hard to like, make it work. Like, it's all good.

Getting back with an ex for a moment, it is sometimes helpful because it makes the first thing less hurtful, because you kind of relived it for a second. You're like, check, still not right. We can kind of now like fade off and be like, it wasn't what we wanted, and that's okay. Yeah.

And I think the worst thing that you can live with is like a what if or a doubt.

What is your take on the idea of right person, wrong time?

Wow, that's a great question. I don't think that there is such thing. I feel like if it's the wrong time, it's not right. It doesn't matter if it's, I think, right person, wrong time is still a way of keeping yourself tied to the person. And it's almost like right job, wrong time.

Like. when I met Matt, I was like, this isn't the right time. Like, I really wasn't looking for a relationship and I really didn't want a relationship. when I met Matt. I was like, fuck, but we made it work.

Because he was the right person. Because there's no such, I feel like there's no such thing really. I mean, maybe there is such thing as the, I mean, maybe wrong. time could be classified as like long distance, or you're going away or whatever, but then in that case, it's just, it's not right. Right.

Right. Like if- Period. If it's the right person, you will find a way to make it work.

Yes, you will. Yeah. A hundred percent.

What do you personally think is the most difficult aspect from past experience of like going through a breakup?

I think it's like the, like a long-term breakup. Yeah. I think it's like the, it's really just like the, the like, where does the love go? vibe, you know? Like you have so much like care and love for this person, and it just, it really does feel,

I do kind of love. how you said that, though. It's so true of like, where does love go? When I'm thinking of like, what would my answer have been? I'm like kind of similar where you're like, how did we love each other so much and now it's not going to work and we know the reasons.

Yeah. It's like, where does the energy go? Right. I find like, it was so funny after, like, there's been breakups where, after I'm like, I tell my best friends, I'm like, can I just like, hold your hand more and like be more like touchy with you? Because that's like a big love language for me, as you've probably seen in videos, is like touch, physical touch and even like the touch starvation.

Like. that's when it gets tricky when you go through a breakup of like, do I miss him? or do I miss the things that came with having someone that I was in love with? And that's really hard to discern of like, I miss my best friend. I miss someone that's like going to hold me and like hold my hand.

And it's usually that, I think for me. in the past, you know, and that's where you really have to be, like, I didn't get what I wanted. I really wanted, I really wanted this person to be this. I really wanted us to be this, but yeah, it's not.

For all the girls listening, I'm curious if you have any advice. I've been through it. I think social media makes it so much fucking worse. How do you handle from past shit of like, when you know you and your ex are moving on at different paces, how the fuck, I'm like, I be out here fucking stalking bitches.

It's just like, how do you handle it?

I don't even know if you have advice.

I really think it's like, I have been an absolute psycho. Absolute psycho.

I love you for admitting that, because aren't we all?

And, honestly, even worse when I was younger, when I was younger, I would be dating a guy and, like stalking his ex. I'd be like, what is wrong with me?

Everyone. raise your hand in this room.

I still, honestly, I definitely like, it's been a while since I've been in like a long term relationship. But God, I was like, he's like telling me he loves me. And meanwhile, I'm torturing myself over somebody like he's not even with anymore. It's like so crazy that the torture, I think like my advice would be. I've gotten better at this.

And I think like giving ourselves grace, like it is normal to want to be interested in that shit. Of course. It's so annoying when people are like, oh my God, you like stalk your ex. It's like, oh, fuck you. Literally, fuck you.

Also, like the people that don't admit that I'm like, oh, please, like. you're not fun to talk to. Like, where is your like? fucked up human side?

We're crazy. We're crazy. Let us be crazy. Breakup sex. Are you a proponent?

So what does breakup sex mean?

Like you're like, this is over. Oh, but yeah. And then you do it one more time.

Yeah, of course.

And like, have you found it makes it more messy or is it more like, ah, okay.

I feel like if you're, if you're wanting to have breakup sex, you're probably gonna hit each other up next week. Like there's still something there, you know? And like I said, I'm sorry. I'm a proponent. Like.

I think the point to close out the dating chapter is, like everybody that's listening, like don't feel shame if you go back to an ex, but protect yourself in those moments of just knowing like what, there could be an end date. And just like, just be okay with that. And maybe there's not an end date. Maybe you guys are going to stay together forever. I think it's just like-.

And know why. Know why you still keep going back. Is it the sex? Is it the chemistry? Is it-?

The emotional connection.

Is it your self esteem? Is it whatever? Because I think like one thing that I feel like I'm always trying to do, and I'm not trying to, whatever, the risk of sounding, I'm not trying to sound preachy, it's like I feel like always doing the inner work and inner questioning of like, why am I doing this? Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this?

Why you're doing it.

Why you're doing it. Like what you're getting out of it.

Your new music is on the way, which everyone is freaking out about.

Did you hear it?

I did. So I was at the hairdresser and I'm like, where do I listen to this? And I'm holding it up to my ear and I'm listening. also, like me, obviously interviewing you, I was like trying to listen to the lyrics. Yeah.

Which I love, by the way, which I love. It's so good. Thank you.

It's everything. Because it's so fucking raw and it's so fucking real. And I wanted to ask you, just like, what has it meant to you in the writing process and everything?

Yeah. Well, I think this is like my, I love this quote by this poet, Rainer Maria Rilke, that's like live your questions. Oh. Have you ever heard of that?

Wait, no, I love that.

I read this book. It was actually in COVID time and it's called Letters to a Young Poet. And there's this poet that's asking him like, he has so many questions and I think he's like probably in his 20s, and he's like, the one advice I can give you is to live your questions. And I feel like this was my live my questions album, live my questions chapter. And it's like, very, really like sitting in the discomfort of things and realizing there's not going to be a neat in a box answer.

I'm so excited for you because when I just read some of the lyrics, it feels like we're actually just like inside your brain, like reading your diary almost in a way. And I love how so much of it felt, you're right, of like this back and forth, of, like where your brain goes when you're in the middle of situations. And it felt so real. And like when I was reading it, I'm like, oh, my God, I've experienced this in my life before, too. It was very relatable.

It's also really cool because, like the album, aesthetically, and even like so many of the themes, in terms of it, it's like, you know, there's a lot of, like lip gloss and nails and whatever. It's like very hyper femme, which is so fun because it's like I feel like I'm really tapping into the fun of, like the feminine experience and sensuality and like even like the things that we do, like, you know, like all those like.

different. The hair.

The hair.

No, it's so good and I'm so excited personally to hear the whole thing, but I'm excited because I think people, the beauty of conversations like this is like I haven't really seen you like this online. We're like, I know, really are like our girlfriends. Like, I feel like we're all friends with you now and I get you and I, like you, just feel like someone that is very like relatable.

That's why I wanted to do this podcast, too, because I was like, I feel like it's like very for the girls and I feel like my album is like, very like for the girls and also like my. so much of it was like it's so much of me and who I am is inspired by my friends. And you know what I mean? And like that dynamic and like, you know, drinking wine and talking about, like whatever the worst sex you've ever had. Like, that's like, you know, that's very.

What message do you hope fans take away from this album when it comes out?

Oh, that's a great question. I really think it's live your questions. And I would add to a bonus to that is, I think it's like really embracing the playfulness of it, like the playfulness of being alive, of being a girl. And I think that's honestly why so much of this album has themes like, I don't know, like sex or whatever is because. It's playful and it's playful and it's hot, it's hot and being hot is fun.

Yeah. Like some of the lyrics, I was like, oh, Camila, like Camila.

Oh, well, I think it's like, just like this spirit of, I think, freedom and and like just like ownership and really just like owning your fucking life. And I don't know, just like fucking, being, being free and being you.

I am so excited for you. The Daddy Gang will support you the minute this comes out. And, Daddy Gang, I can't thank you enough for sitting down. I know that you don't do this often and, like you're a fucking pro. I could do this with you all day.

Well, me too. And I knew that it would happen like that, because I really was like, yeah, I was listening to your stuff and I was like, oh, this is a girl that, like I, would be friends with, you know, but thank you for real, for making me feel so comfortable. You're so kind, and I love you and I love this one. And then I love you, too. Thank you so much.