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My name's Ash.
Whoa?
This is morbid, I think.
It just felt crazy, I want to just shake it up a little bit. I just felt crazy.
I just felt coconuts.
Oh man, we're excited, we're going to go to a rage room.
Yeah, for my birthday celebration. Yeah, going to rage, motherfucker, so much rage inside of me.
So much rage. Oh, can we ask them to play? Get out of your mind? That would be such a good song to rage to, to be honest.
I'll put my hair in the ponytail.
We'll switch back and forth on the playlist there.
Yeah, we usually have to. At most events. I'll put my hair in a ponytail and do the helicopter.
Yeah, do the do the ash get out of your mind.
That's the Get out of your mind dance. It's a ponytail helicopter. I tried to teach her youngest how to do it and it wasn't bad for her first attempt.
I mean, she's pretty great, she's pretty out of her mind.
She's like, I stay out of my mind. TT, She's like, You know what?
I feel this on a spiritual level.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, so we have an old timey case today, but fear not, people who don't like old timey cases. Um, it's axe murders, so it's going to be gnarly and this one.
It's also an Alina case.
It's very interesting, too. Oh, it's interesting how it all pans out. Yeah, it's interesting that there's still a lot of questions in this case, and I still don't know what to think of it.
Really, yeah.
It's very, very interesting.
It's a stumper, yeah.
I hadn't heard about this, so I don't even know what to call this episode. We will know what to call it by the time this is released.
You'll know what we're calling it.
I'm going to start it by saying, it's the Louisiana Axe murders Clementine Barnabet and the Church of the Sacrifice.
There's so many themes, I think Mikey said that this is a highly requested one.
Yeah, Mikey did say. This is a highly requested one, which is shocking to me just because I'd never heard of it, which I feel remiss that I'd never heard of this.
Clementine Barnabet Sounds familiar to me.
The name sounded familiar to me, but when I read it, I was like, Oh, I had no idea.
Oh, I'm interested to see if I know anything.
So it's going to be gnarly in here, just so, you know, it's axe murders, after all.
It's also just always fucking gnarly in here.
It absolutely is, so let's begin, shall we, we shall? Between 1909 and 1912, a series of truly brutal and gruesome and horrific family axe murders, or axe murders of entire families, children, everybody, occurred along the Southern Pacific railroad line between running between southwestern Louisiana and Texas. I mean, it's impossible at this point to know how many of these murders were connected, but there were definitely similarities in a lot of them.
I think the fact that it was full families that were being axe murdered was one thing. Um, so most notably, the timing of the victims were the things that really connected these things. Um, and they have. There's many that speculate that this is one singular killer, or one singular group of killers, because there's too many similarities. It just doesn't feel like this many would have happened in this span of time and that they'd be so similar. Um, with a body count of more than 50 people across 12 families, all the victims were Black.
Oh, that's another similarity. And they lived near the train line and all were killed that night, and all had been killed with their skulls fractured with an axe.
Oh my God, yeah.
It's really horrific.
That's intense.
Now, because no serious suspect has really ever been identified in this case, like, and we're going to get into that, don't worry. There is suspects, but like, we can't really pinpoint a suspect in this case. No one's been caught in this case.
Really, it's really difficult to say when the murders even began, to be honest, uh. Some identify the first murder as that of Edna Opelousas and her three children, who were aged four to nine years old.
Oh my god.
Little babies. It was in rain, Louisiana, on November 13th, 1909. Details on the case are not like a ton, but neighbors heard screams coming from their home around 1am and rushed to the scene. Uh, and that's where they found Edna quote, and this is from the Crowley Daily Signal in 1909 quote. Lying on the floor with her head split open by a blow with an axe. The children had been attacked in a similar way, and they were actually still alive when the neighbors came, but all three died not long after.
Oh, other than the bloody axe that was left at the scene, that's the other thing the bloody axe gets left at a lot of these scenes, really.
But we're in the early 1900s here. It's not like we can just be like, boop, boop, who's this?
Yeah, no, of course.
Um, there was very little evidence to be collected at the scene besides that. And a few days later, police arrested Houston Goodwill, who was Edna's brother-in-law. Uh, he had apparently recently made threats against the family after having a fight with his wife. But the evidence against him was entirely circumstantial and they really couldn't pin anything on him, so nothing came of his arrest.
Okay.
Then, on January 24th, 1911, a little over a year after the uh, the initial murders. Someone broke into the West Crowley home of Walter Byers in the middle of the night. And they murdered Walter Byers, his wife, Sylvina, and their six-year-old son while they all slept. When officers came to the home, they discovered the entire family, and this is also from the Crowley Daily Signal. Lying in one bed with their skull split, the bed covered with blood and bloody footprints on the floor, like horrific.
That's so chilling.
And just as in the Opelousas murder, the doors were all locked from the inside and the killer had actually come in the home through the window. Oh, I hate that. In both scenarios, so also, like the initial murders, the bloody Ax again was left at the scene. This seems too coincidental.
This time, though, the police discovered a wash basin filled halfway with bloody water. Which made them think that the killer had at least tried to clean themselves up before leaving the scene. But unfortunately, there was very little additional evidence. Once again, and a week later, police arrested Walter Jackson, who was a local barber, and his brother for the murder of the Byers family. But it's unclear what led to them being the two men that were caught as suspects.
There's really nothing to indicate that either was prosecuted for the murders and that so the deaths remain unsolved.
Okay.
Almost exactly one month after the Byers murders, the scene just repeated itself. When, on February 25th, 1911, somebody broke into the home of 35 year old Alexander Andrus and murdered Alexander, his wife, Memme, and their two children with an Ax. The murders appeared to have occurred at the same point in the night that the that the other two had okay, and the bodies were discovered by Memme's father, Lazeem Felix.
Oh, his whole family.
And they were discovered the following morning. Um, this got very strange, though, because the skulls of all four of the victims had been crushed with an Ax. But this time, whoever killed them had arranged the scene. What? According to the press, after they were killed? And this is a quote by the Lafayette advertiser. The man and woman were taken up by the murderer and placed on their knees beside the bed, the woman's arm over the man's shoulder. As if in the attitude of prayer, so they put the two parents into a praying position after they killed them.
That's so fucking creepy. The killer then placed the baby on the bed besides Memme.
What? yeah, oh, I don't like this at all.
It's rough, what?
That's just bizarre.
Very bizarre. And initially, investigators thought it might be this escaped patient from Pineville sanitarium named Garkon Godfrey. Sorry. But when they finally arrested him a few days later, several people attested to the fact that he had been in Maurice, which was about 20 miles away when the murders were committed.
So no way.
Although they couldn't identify a motive for the murder, chief Detective Peck Quote believed that the murders of the Andrus family were caused by either jealousy or revenge. And that a number of people were involved.
Okay.
And everybody's like, why, though?
Yeah.
The press, on the other hand, started speculating that the family had been killed by the same individual or people who'd killed the Opelousas and Byers families.
I mean, I can see why they would think that.
One reporter wrote The crimes are so alike that they may be the work of the same monster. Yeah, and honestly, I don't. I don't see why not thinking that.
And sorry, was this family killed with an Ax that was left at the scene, too, or like, was it left at the scene?
That I did. I couldn't find in any reports whether it was left at the scene, but they were killed by an Ax. Yeah, uh. Two days after the murders, uh. Police arrested Raymond, a man named Raymond Barnabat, who Clementine Barnabat, you'll find out Raymond Barnabat was a man who lived nearby and was known by police to have a criminal past.
Um. Raymond claimed that on the night of the murders he had been about 30 miles away in Broussard. And without evidence to the contrary, investigators really had no choice but to let him go. Almost exactly one month later, a family in San Antonio, Texas, living near the Southern Pacific Railroad line, were again murdered. In the middle of the night, their skulls were caved in with an ax that the killer left behind. Now it feels like that third one, it was probably left behind, but I don't want to say it was because I couldn't find it.
You don't know the fact.
Despite having no evidence to hold him, police remained convinced that Raymond Barnabat was at least partially responsible for the murder of the Andrews family. And in July 1911, Raymond was re-arrested and held in the local jail until his trial in October. Now, throughout the trial, Raymond said nothing and just sat at the defense table, occasionally muttering to himself, Goodbye and Mofutu. I'm really bad at French.
I apologize, but it means I am gone. And he would say it loud enough so that the jury could hear, um, after months of months of investigation, local authorities really didn't come up with any new evidence that implicated him. But what they did have were his children, one of whom would become crucial to the prosecution's case.
Oh shit, I thought you were going to say Clementine was his wife.
No, so. According to Barnabat's daughter, Clementine, on the night of the murders, Raymond came home. Her father came home between two and 4 a.m. And I quote, with his blue shirt covered in blood and brains, and told her to wash his clothes, which he did, which she did. Raymond's son, Zephryn, also confirmed Clementine's story and told the jury that his father had actually confessed to him that he had murdered the Endress family.
Okay.
Both children also testified that their father was a violent alcoholic, and they said they, quote, feared for their life if their father was not found guilty.
Oh.
Testifying for the defense, Barnabat's live-in girlfriend, Dina Porter, denied ever seeing any blood or brain matter on Raymond's clothing that night or any other time. And refuted the claim that he had bragged about killing the Endress family, though, she was forced to admit that Raymond had threatened to kill her just one month earlier.
So maybe that would be why she wasn't so like jumping at the chance to talk about him or testify against him.
Now, a fourth witness was a neighbor who ended up, who apparently lived in the other half of the Barnabat house. They also denied seeing any blood or brain matter on Raymond's clothing and directly contradicted everything Clementine and Zephryn had said on the witness stand. Okay, so a lot of different stories floating around here.
Interesting.
Despite the total lack of actual evidence and the conflicting testimony which you? There's not a lot to go on there because, like, there's many different stories being told.
It's just a bunch of, he said. She said.
Raymond Barnabat was found guilty and sentenced to death after the verdict was handed down. The press noted that the verdict was won quote mainly through the testimony of Clementine and Zephryn Barnabat, whose testimony made men shudder.
Okay.
Now both claim that, upon arriving home, in a rage quote unquote, Raymond dragged them out of bed in the middle of the night and forced them to help him. Hide evidence, though, what that evidence was besides that shirt and where they hid? It was never answered and never seemed to come up during trial.
Why wouldn't that come up during trial? I'm not real sure. Would that not be your followup question?
Welcome to the 1911 of it all.
For real?
Raymond's lawyers immediately appealed the verdict on a number of grounds, including their belief that their client had actually been very drunk during the entire trial. Okay, and thus was not able to adequately assist in his defense.
Yeah, no, I would say not.
Probably not. According to the defense quote, Raymond had drained a smuggled bottle of wine in his cell before he was taken into the courtroom. To their surprise, the judge actually granted Raymond a new trial. Um, but because he was destitute and couldn't afford bail, he remained in custody. Okay?
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Now, one month after the verdict against Raymond Barnabas was handed down, on the morning of November 27th, 1911, remember he was held in jail? Yes. The bodies of Norbert Randall, his wife Azima, their three children, ages three to seven, and their two-year-old niece were discovered in their home in Lafayette. All with, and this is from the Crowley Daily Signal, who was there? very graphic with their descriptions, all with quote, their brains knocked out with an Ax. The discovery was made by Randall's nine-year-old daughter, who had just come back from sleeping over someone else's house that night and came to find her entire family dead.
At nine years old, walked into that scene of everyone killed with an Ax.
The layers and layers of trauma that probably followed that girl throughout her.
Life can't even imagine.
And to think I would have been asleep in this house if I didn't have these.
Plans if I wasn't sleeping somewhere else?
When officers arrived at the Randall house, they found Norbert, his wife and their niece, Agnes, dead in their bed, with the bodies of the three children lying dead in another bed. A child's bloody footprint was found next to one of the beds, which led investigators to speculate that one of the children had woken up during the attack and that the victim was thrown back on the bed before being killed. Unlike the Andrus murders, in which all had been killed with the bladed end of.
The AX, yeah.
The Randalls appeared to have been bludgeoned with the blunt end of the Ax. Weird, yeah, and that's such a sudden switch up, yeah.
Interestingly, Norbert Randall had also been shot in the head and the bullet entered his forehead. This would be the only victim in the Louisiana AX murders to be killed by a weapon other than an Ax, huh now? Police immediately fanned out all across the neighborhood, looking for anything, any evidence of the killer or killers, and soon found blood. On the rear gate of the Guidry home, about a block away, where Clementine Barnabet was living and working as a maid.
Bitch, what? During their search of the Guidry home, police found bloody clothes hidden in Clementine's room, and she was immediately arrested on suspicion of having killed the Randall family.
This just switched up so fast, yes.
Also arrested were Clementine's brother, Zephren and Edwin Charles and Gregory Porter, which were two other young men who were living in the house at.
The time okay. So when they testified, they weren't really like children.
Children, they were like, Um, they were like teenagers, okay, now? Clementine denied having anything to do with the murders, but given that her father had been implicated in the previous murders and was locked up at the time, the authorities told the press. They quote believe she is implicated in this horrible crime and also in the murder of the Andrus family last February. Despite her insistence that she was innocent. Sheriff Louis Lacoste was, uh, was convinced that she was the killer and that the bloody apron discovered among her things was evidence enough of her guilt.
The evidence was immediately taken to the New Orleans Um uh State Chemist to be examined. And the chemist, Dr. Metz went on, went on to confirm that the blood and biological material on the apron was.
Human, okay, and not just blood, also biological material.
Also, Dr. Metz compared the blood on the apron to the blood on one of the pillowcases taken from the Randall house. It was a match, really. This was one of the Randall family's blood.
And forensics wasn't advanced enough at that time to have a match for blood.
Types Yeah, damn, I didn't realize that it happened in, uh, 1901..
Oh, wow, beginning of blood typing, and this was 1911 or 1912, so cool, yeah.
So they at least had blood typing happening. Um, while the in either way, it's like, this is human brain matter. On her apron, yeah, like, how did that get there? how?
Now, while the sheriff waited for the results of the lab tests from the chemist, Clementine and the other sat in jail. But the murders didn't stop. Okay. In early January, all six members of the Wexford family, including a baby supposedly born just a day earlier, were murdered in their home. And that was in Crowley. With their prime axe murder suspects already in jail, the sheriff's office needed to find a new suspect now for their Wexford murders.
And they found one. They found King Harris, who was a preacher at Sacrifice Sect Church, which was a fringe religious sect with churches in Crowley, Lafayette and Lake Charles, Louisiana. Okay, all all towns along the Southern Pacific railroad line, uh-huh.
Despite the name and the church's occasional non-western practices, Harris denied the church preached quote anything that would incite criminal acts. And assured the sheriff that neither he nor anyone from the church had anything to do with these murders. Um, also, Harris insisted his only contact with Clementine Barnabas was when, on the night of the Randall murders, he had been walking down the street and encountered Clementine, who told him quote, to leave the area because a street corner fight had taken place and the police were on the way. Regardless of all the denials, King Harris was arrested on January 20th, 1912 and held on suspicion of involvement in the Axe murders. Okay, it seemed that even the arrest of the Barnabas and Harris weren't enough to stop it, though.
On January 21st, just one day after Harris's arrest, Felix Broussard, his wife Matilda and their three children were all murdered by what the press described as a.
Midnight Assassin. And to have that happen one day later, it's almost like whoever is doing this is taunting them, yeah.
As in the other cases, all five members of the Broussard family had been bludgeoned to death with an axe, which had been left behind at the scene and was discovered underneath one of the beds, the scene really didn't have any clues, any evidence, but the walls, this is what's interesting. The walls had been smeared with blood, and on one of the walls the killer had written in pencil. When he maketh inquisition for blood, he forgeteth not the cry of the humble.
Is that biblical?
It's a verbatim quote from the Book of Psalms, Okay? And on the inside of the front door, they had written Human five, What?
Like this, five members of the family, what? Yeah, isn't that like chilling, yeah?
I'm just like.
This is the one of the weirdest fucking cases you've ever presented.
That's what I'm saying, and that's why I was like, I don't know what to think of, because I really don't.
Like, I've heard of Clementine's name before, definitely, but I've never heard any details of this case.
So I did, I looked this up the when he maketh inquisition for blood, he forgeteth not the cry of the humble. Okay, and when I looked it up, it seems that the. The idea of this is um, kind of conveying the idea that God, when he doles out justice, remembers the cries of the humble and will actually save them. Yeah, and I think, like, put justice towards the those who shed innocent blood.
Wait, say that last part again, sorry. So it's basically like he's seeking justice, It's basically God trying to dole out justice upon those who shed innocent blood, okay?
That's what it is, um, interpreted as.
So the the innocent blood would be the people who were murdered, and that that's justice for them, or that's justice for the person that murders them.
That's what doesn't make sense, is it's like, so, the so. It's interpreted as. God will dole out justice to those who shed innocent blood like He will, and the people who the innocence will be remembered. Yes, you know what I mean.
Like, and it will like, you're going to have to deal with the wrath of God. If you shed innocent blood kind of thing, okay, but then it's like the killer wrote, When he maketh inquisition for blood, he forget. It's not the cry of the humble, so it's almost like he's it, cause it. I the idea of that quote, I think it comes from, like revenge and justice, and like avenging people.
And so then when he writes Human Five, I wonder if this feels very, I mean, this particular one, whether it's meant to sound this way or not. Obviously, it's very religious, some religious, I don't. I'm not saying this is any like religion that we can even identify, but it seems like this is they're trying to make it religious. This person that did this and is almost feels like they're like tallying like Human five, and it's like like they're tallying what they're going to have to answer for.
Almost, maybe, yeah, I'm trying to figure out the logic behind this.
I'm sorry. Were there five members of this family?
There were five members of this family, okay, um, but it's the sixth family that we know of, okay, um, but it's. It almost feels like they're tallying the people in the house, like the victims, like what they're going to have to answer for, like, Human five.
Right, you know, it's so weird to write human, yeah, cause I'm like, is there somewhere where animals were killed that you could find somewhere?
Written like Animal, Yeah, this is strange, this is so strange. Keep going.
So absent of any other clues or evidence besides that bizarre shit, investigators in Lake Charles told reporters. Quote circumstances point to the work of a fanatic, or of a fanatic or religious cranks, as nothing shows revenge or robbery as the motive. And they also speculated that, despite them being nearly 75 miles apart, yeah, whoever killed the Broussard family was probably also responsible for the other murders in Crowley and Lafayette.
Sounds like it, which it definitely could be. There's a a big difference, yeah. So it could absolutely be like a copycat or someone using it to, you know, who knows if all of these are connected?
Right, interesting.
But there's also like a train that runs along. Yeah, exactly.
So you can get there, it's not like, it's not like you're driving to get to all these places. Yeah, um. But the mere suggestion that the s. That this rash of acts, murders occurring along the Southern Pacific line was the result of religious fanaticism was enough to. Because, remember, these are all Black families, yeah.
Raymond Barnabas is black, his family is black, King Harris is Black. So we're seeing this, and now we're seeing this mention of religious fanaticism. That's enough to send white Southerners into a gosh darn panic.
At this point, within one day of the Broussard murders, the press had put together the pieces of various stories, the Barnabas arrest, King Harris and the Sacrifice Sect. And all those into one very sensational and highly questionable story. That they just knew was going to sell papers, goodie. On the morning of January 23rd, 1912, the headlines on papers like The Monroe News star said Sacrifice, Sect slaughter. 26. Basically implying that not only had they been all victims of the same killer, but also that the murders are now being directed by. Quote a preacher who teaches fanaticism, meanwhile. So now we're just making shit up.
He's in prison, just making shit up, right?
Now, while the writing on the wall at the Broussard crime scene, obviously was very unusual, remember, that was a 75 mile away murder? That's the out, that's a little bit of an outlier. Yeah, it's similar, obviously.
Duh, a little bit of an outlier, yeah, you know. There was the idea that there was the people that were placed into praying positions, so there's that as well.
Yeah, but nothing really about all of the murders. It wasn't like they were all ritualistic, you know what I mean? There were ritualistic elements, for sure, that you could see in a couple.
But not all.
They didn't look like they were human sacrifices for a religious sect. You know what I mean? Like, it seemed like it was a very.
Aggressive, frantic murder scene. You know what I mean? especially with an axe? Yeah, an axe is a very chaotic way to kill people.
It's not a ritualistic way to kill people. But, you know, they wanted to sell a lot of papers. So the press leaned hard into that sacrifice angle. Claiming, among other things, that the Broussard family's killer had quote set a bucket below their heads in which to catch the dripping blood for use in rituals later, which was not true at all.
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They also made a lot of King Harris's arrest, quoting the authorities as saying quote. They believe that his teaching worked his followers up to such a pitch of frenzy and religious fervor. That the murders are, um, or sacrifices, followed. Now it's just all on him.
Cool, and he hasn't even had a trial yet. He's just been arrested. Yeah, he's just been arrested.
Yeah, cool guys.
And it's important to note that the press and the authorities never directly accused Harris or the Barnabas of being responsible for the murders of the Broussard family. Yeah, like, they're just they're just implying that he's probably behind this, It's like, it's literally ridiculous. And in fact, while all the suspects are being held in jail, there were other murders.
So, like, every time, what's going on, um? A family of five in Rain were killed in December 1911, and a family of four were killed in Crowley, just a few days before the Broussard family was killed. So clearly, these murders could not have been committed by Clementine Barnabas or her brother and father, or. But they and King Harris, who was still sitting in jail at certain moments, wasn't they were. He wasn't even in the area at the time. They were all being accused of being behind all this, every single one of these. You could also look at this and say, Okay, maybe there's some big organization type thing that is being led by someone. That pieces of this cult are being put in jail, but there's other ones out here, absolutely.
But the fervor that the problem here was the fervor over non-white and non-Christian religious practices that came out of this. Through communities across Louisiana into a panic, with white residents demanding action and Black residents fearing for their safety at this point. Because now they're pointing to, like, oh, it must be voodoo, that's what it must be. If it's not Christians, that's for sure. Never. And several white Southerners exploited the opportunity to exploit public fear for personal gain, sending extortion letters to Black churches. Like going way, like leaning into this, totally.
Being completely fucking horrible.
And there were other, more serious consequences to this panic as well. In Lake Charles, a hoodoo preacher was going door to door, selling charms of protection and offering to wire homes to secure them from evil. And in March, that preacher was killed.
Oh my god.
So in March, many newspapers across the south ran a syndicated article that was titled, Voodoo's Horrors Break Out Again and now. In this, the unnamed author provided details of the brutal murders, emphasizing the more sensational and what they took as ritualistic aspects of all the crimes. A particular interest was the supposed frequency in which the number five appeared in the cases. Such as the message painted on the back of the or written on the back of the Broussard's front door, the one that said human five. The article connected that aspect of the case with the fact that, regardless of her claims of innocence, Clementine Barnabas had been arrested and had four other accomplices.
And she was arrested with brain matter and blood on her apron.
So this is part of the article, it said. At Lafayette, it was five members of the Andrus family who were sacrificed at the same place. A few months later. Five members of the Randall family had evidently been marked for slaughter. But a sixth, appearing upon the scene, unexpectedly met the fate of his kingsman at Crowley. So they think that that family, um, the Randall family cause, was that there was five of them and that, but there was one extra, right?
And they said that was just unexpected at Crowley last June. Four members of the Warner family had undoubtedly been doomed to perish, but one, a child, escaped, and only four went to their death. Two months ago, six members of the Wexford family perished at the hands of fanatics. But one was an infant that had been born a day before the tragedy. And, in all probability, had not been taken into consideration when the plans for the human sacrifice were consummated. Now comes the Broussard family tragedy, with the five victims, thus completing a series of sacrifices of five separate families, each evidently intended to involve five victims.
It does sound that way.
Interesting, but they're, I feel like they're reaching, yeah. With some of these, the fear mongering and sensational journalism, it had racist undertones to it. Um, it implied Black Americans were in large numbers embracing pre-Christian religious practices that were encouraging and promoting human sacrifice. Like that was essentially what they were saying.
Right, that that's what this must be like. That's fucked. And when they put it this way, of course, it was going to make any reader reading these things seem not that not too shocked and didn't seem too farfetched. That the teenage Clementine and her accomplices might've been involved in a conspiracy, and that they might've been involved in this whole some kind of culty, religious thing.
To commit ritualistic murder in the service of what they were saying was one or more, either voodoo or what they got wrong, hoodoo gods. Cause they would conflate those two practices, they conflated them a lot. This theory should have been undermined by the fact that the murders continued, even as the five supposed members of the murderous cult sat in jail, right?
Um, one month after the Broussard murders, three families were brutally murdered with an Ax along the Southern Pacific Line in Texas. All spaced roughly one month apart, and all looking exactly like each other, same hallmarks of each case five family members, three. Um, yeah, like, same kind of situation.
All had the same hallmarks, everything.
Interesting that it's, it seems, to usually be five family members like that.
Well, I should say those those last three, I'm not positive that all three of them were five, but they were. They all looked exactly the same in the sense of, like, what was used? That a family was killed in the middle of the night left the same way the AX was found, like all the same kind of situation and all along that railroad.
Line right?
Now, because there was so much sensationalism surrounding the case and a lot of fear mongering happening, it's unlikely Clementine or any of the others were going to get a fair trial by an unbiased jury. Yeah, no. Um, and who knows if that was the reason that a confession came, or if a confession came from a genuine place? Who? who can be sure? Um? But in April, Clementine Barnabas called the sheriff to her cell and confessed to murdering more than 20 people in the previous year. Okay?
Out of nowhere. According to Clementine, she had accomplices who had carried had continued to carry out the work of extermination all along the Southern Pacific Railroad while she was in jail.
Okay.
And she said, there are many families in the state that have been selected for killing and their doom was sealed.
Clementine went on to tell authorities that two years earlier, she and the other members of the group had traveled to New Iberia. And obtained from a hoodoo doctor. A conjure. That would protect them from all harm and absolutely protect them from discovery in the commission of any crime or deed.
Which didn't work.
Which all of this seems to line up with what everybody is thinking is happening. She's basically just saying the same story, like confirming it now, she said. Hoodoo, but the media, like I said, it, was immediately conflating hoodoo and voodoo as the same thing, right?
Not bothering to find out that there's a difference, or if there was a difference. So this made the whole voodoo real, ritualistic angle of the newspaper reporting a lot more prevalent, and in the end, it was wrong. From what I could gather, there are many differences between hoodoo and voodoo from the main, and the main one is probably. The most distinctive difference is that voodoo is technically like an organized religion, it's practiced with rituals, and there's a structure to the practice.
There's leaders in the practice. Hoodoo, from what I could gather, is mostly an independent, magic leaning practice that individuals take part in, and I believe it has most of its roots in the U..S, while voodoo does not. So there are differences.
At least look up some a little bit of the differences. But and remember, we're very, we're in the early 1900s, we're in the South. Here racism is prevalent.
It's just part of it's, it's here, it is even now. So to the white authorities and press. The confession of her quote. Most violent, repulsive acts seemed to confirm what everyone had already suspected. Even though many within law enforcement acknowledged that much of what she had told them wasn't true, it didn't line up.
Huh? One article stated While the officers know some of the confession is true, they discarded much of Clementine's story. As mere fiction as she has given any number of clues that have been run down and proved only will-o'-the-wisps. So just just fictional, okay, now? Clementine's confession included a number of actually true statements about the murders, but the information could have been easily learned through newspaper articles or just town gossip.
Everyone was talking about this more often than not. Her statements were, like, way over the top, outlandish, and she would contradict herself a lot. So she wasn't telling a clear, concise story of, like, here's what happened. It's exactly what you all think, Here you go.
It was like they made it sound like that. But when you really look at it, all of the shit was contradicting. And a lot of it, like I said, was things you could have seen in the paper, okay?
I wonder what her motivation for confession would be.
I believe she might have, I mean, I don't. Here's the thing. No one knows. Whether she was part of this or not, nobody can tell.
Really.
There is, but it seems to me like she may have been mentally ill, she may have been suffering from from some mental illness. So that might've had something to do with her confession, or she had something to do with it. Yeah, I don't know.
And I honestly can't put my finger on which one it is, or if it's a mixture of two, you know, like it's. It's very hard to figure out, but one of the things was, she claimed quote. She had assistance in the murders, but then she would often boast about having committed them herself, especially the Lafayette crimes. Like said she did it alone. Despite the inaccuracies and inconsistencies, Sheriff Lacoste told reporters. Quote Clementine Barnabas is rational and I believe it is true, except as to details given with the purpose of confusing others as to her accomplices.
Okay, so now they're claiming that all the contradictions are just to confuse you about who was her accomplice, which, again, absolutely could be true. You could see that no idea, though. In the days after her confession, Clementine's story also grew and grew, and grew, and became increasingly bizarre.
Okay, the longer she went, the more murders she confessed to. Uh, huh? It was kind of one of those things which we have seen instances where that has happened with other supposed murders, or, um, confessed murders. Where, you know, like a Henry Lee Lucas. That's what I was just going to say.
They admit to like a billion, zillion murders and then they would pull it back, and then they admit to more, and then they pull it back. Some people do do that.
Yeah, and it's like even people who do actually murder people.
So who knows, um? But she eventually said that she killed 35 people herself, okay? She claimed she and four others, two women and two men, were part of an AX gang. And once they'd identified, a family to be sacrificed decided seemingly at random. They drew lots, and whoever drew the short straw did the killing.
Okay, she said. It was an easy matter. That's what she said of killing the Randall children. Oh, it was an easy matter. We thought it was better to kill them than to leave orphans as they would suffer.
Okay, as for why she had done it, Clementine told the sheriff. That quote moral perversion was responsible for a passion to shed human blood and take human life that she could not control. Okay, so again, these statements are chilling and scary.
The idea of an AX gang like very scary, absolutely, and could be true, and we don't know. According to Clementine, when this impulse came upon her, she said she could not rest until she had killed an infant and pressed its form to her breast.
What the fuck? And an infant was killed and babies were killed. Yeah, multiple now.
Initially, Clementine had refused to identify her accomplices by April 4th. And this is where it gets, this is where it gets funky, okay, this is where you're going to go, okay.
Maybe she is just lying. But by April 4th, she finally named Reverend Joseph Thibodeau as the aforementioned hoodoo doctor who had provided her them with protection spells. Okay. Thibodeau was a Black fortune teller living in New Iberia, who also portrayed himself as a practitioner of herbal medicine. He didn't traffic in charms.
He said he didn't deal with charms as Clementine had indicated, but he was known to prescribe a remedy. That included giving a patient a piece of paper with 25 letters in five lines. The paper was instructed, when they felt bad, to tear off one of the letters, roll it in a ball and swallow it. Okay, and it's likely just a coincidence, but the emphasis on vibes and Thibodeau's remedies fit the ritualistic sacrifice narrative perfectly. And he was soon roped right into the crimes.
Joseph Thibodeau was arrested a day or two later, but police had literally nothing on him, except for Clementine's statement. So, following his arrest, the local press pointed out that while Thibodeau was a well-known figure in the city, no one knew him to associate with Clementine. Much less willfully advising the woman or of knowing of her intention of starting her career of crime, yeah. A few days after her confession, six indictments were returned by the grand jury, charging Clementine with the murderers of the Randall family. Okay?
A date was set for the arraignment soon after, but nobody, I don't. I couldn't figure out why the arraignment was like, continuously, put off, like, continuously. And in the meantime, Clementine, Clementine continued, continued just naming co-conspirators, feeding the press that for that insatiable hunger they had for more gruesome, awful details, right? But each time investigators tracked down or arrested anyone named by Clementine. Nearly every single one of them were able to account for their whereabouts on the nights of the murders. Or just had the alibis themselves like they were, they had alibis and people could account for them.
Right, so she would name someone. They'd go to them and be like, nope, they were states away, like, or they this person can account for where they were, huh?
So it's like they kept being like, No, that's not someone, and she'd be like, Oh, this person, like, So. After several delays, Clementine was a finally arraigned on the murder charges, and a trial was scheduled for late October. In the meantime, her defense attorneys found her to be very difficult and an uncooperative client. But eventually, they convinced her to enter a plea of religious insanity. Which is described as the idea that stress could exhaust a constitutionally weak nervous system.
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Now, at the same time, articles about Clementine's bizarre claims and behavior kept getting reported in the press. And honestly, it was getting like, offensive at this point, like they were getting really nasty about it. One of them said that the woman is on the lowest scale of humanity and totally devoid of any sense of pity or ordinary conception of shame and disgrace is conclusive and borne out by her whole life, which has been pitched on the lowest plane of morality. Which if she killed a bunch of people, then, yeah, absolutely. While the woman at times seems practically insane, she yet has a certain intelligence and cunning.
Ever since her incarceration, she has successfully foiled the officers and their attempts to get at the true facts of the case. And when she deceives the officers by giving them some false clue, she smiles with devilish delight and chuckles over her victory. Ooh, and again, if this is true, fucking terrifying. Yeah, very much so.
But but again, they haven't, like, charged her. They don't have any real evidence here. Like, it's an. And I still go back to that apron, which I, I'm like, someone explained that away for me. Yeah, I don't know about that.
That's the biggest thing for me, unless she's hiding it for someone else, but why would her apron be? That's the thing, it was hers.
Yeah, I don't get it now. Although initially a source of fear, now that she had been indicted and seemed bound for prison, the public developed feelings of disgust and moral outrage towards Clementine. Which who wouldn't at this point, if you think that she did all this? Of course, yeah, um, but this also probably contributed to her very defiant attitude that she had to make matters worse.
By late October, Clementine had been evaluated by three psychiatrists, and all of them found her.
Sane, really. And that cleared the way for a trial. Oh gosh.
I don't know about that, No, I don't know about that, but who knows? I mean, this was very early 1900s in the South and a lot's happening. Yeah, I don't know if they cleared that way.
What makes you think that she's suffering from a mental illness?
The way she's speaking, the way she acted in court, like she's very like, smiling about things, she seems like she's not in. That religious mania thing kind of seems to be a little bit fitting, but you'll also.
Later, you'll hear something that happens that you're like, what happened here? Okay, like, something's awry, you know? And just the way she talks about it, the way she's sitting there, saying, like, Well, she just. She felt like she had to just kill an infant and hold it to her breast, like, I don't know about that.
Like, I, I don't know, who knows, that's the thing. She's, she's young, She's like a teenager at this point.
So it's just, I think it's almost too much for me to, like, believe that she's fully sane. Saying these things like, maybe it's just because it's so gruesome and awful, and the thought of her killing entire families, that's. The other thing is like, you did this all yourself, cause you're naming accomplices and they're getting cleared.
So, like, who are your accomplices?
Yeah, what about? what about the other ones that were arrested?
And that's the thing. And maybe. But they kept getting families were getting killed after they were arrested, yeah.
So who are the other people? And she can't point to? Well, maybe she doesn't want to point to anybody else, but she was, well, that that's actually responsible. Maybe she's just having them chase down leads of, you know what I mean?
Why to fuck with them? People do that all the time, you're going down, yeah.
But maybe she knew that, maybe she's like, I'm going down, maybe I'll might as well have fun on the way out, maybe that was fun for her.
If they really do believe, if she really does believe, and obviously this is theorizing because I don't know if she is. Could he be guilty or not? I really don't. Yeah, um, but if I'll, I'll go with the like. If she is guilty, then then this seems to be something that's like, we wanted to, like, cleanse, you know, the moral perversion and all this shit, like when she was talking about that, so it feels like this is if if she is guilty. And if there is a group of people doing this like an offshoot of some kind of religious thing, then they seem to be doing it. Because they need to cleanse this horrible thing that's happening.
So if she's caught, it makes sense that she would want it to continue, right, like you said. Like, she's going to have them chase down false leads because she wants the other real co-conspirators to be able to continue this grand plan that they have. Exactly. So there is a way of looking at it like that that you go, okay.
Maybe, and then maybe she'll still go to, maybe in her mind, she still goes to wherever she wants to go once she gets taken down. Because she didn't fuck with the plan.
Because she didn't stop the plan, and she kept it in motion. Exactly so, you're right, it could, it could absolutely be that kind of religious, you know, fanaticism that we can't understand.
But then, at the same time, she did say that they picked these families at random. So how do you know that they're morally perverse?
And that's the thing. So it's like there was no real, they said. Once they pick someone, it was that, was it, yeah.
But maybe they just felt like it was like some kind of divine intervention of.
That's the thing. Maybe they just knew, you know, like it just came to them, cause she didn't like, you know, uh?
She didn't really spell out the process, yeah.
Like, she didn't kind of like, uh, indulge us in any more details about that, but it's your maybe. It could be that they just they would feel it, yeah, and that was the family that had to go.
Cause a lot of times that kind of shit is inexplicable anyways, even if you do get an explanation.
Because the reality of that is just they want to kill people, right? Uh, but yeah, that's the thing. This is a fascinating case, and it gets more fascinating, somehow.
Okay, now. Clementine's trial began October 24th, 1912, and the prosecution was relying very heavily on her confession. Obviously, um, she had formally confessed to 17 murders and implied having committed many more. Um, but she, uh, she was also being prosecuted for the murders of, uh, Azima Randall.
And throughout the trial, Clementine continued to exhibit very strange behavior and was frequently disruptive. Okay, um, at one point she screamed from the stand. I am the axe woman of the sacrifice sect. I killed them all, men, women and babies, and I hugged the dead babies to my breast, but I am not guilty of murder.
Okay, so I see why.
You see why I'm mentally ill.
You just don't know, and you don't know if it's an act you don't know. Yeah, um, that would be so disturbing.
It would be very disturbing, uh? Despite their repeated attempts to control Clementine and discourage these outbursts, Clementine's defense attorneys were unable to dissuade her from demanding that her confession be entered into the trial record. So she didn't want it entered in, like that confession that she just screamed out in the middle of court. And they were trying to get it taken off the record, they were like, that's an outburst, blah, blah, blah, but she wanted it entered into the record.
Okay, which can point both ways. It can point to mental illness where she didn't do this, but she's just going along with it. It can point to mental illness where she did do this. And she's not realizing what's happening here. Or it can point to she's part of this wild cult, that, and she wants it on the record that she did this.
Right, it can go any of those ways, and I could see it going any of those ways, which is so frustrating.
You wish that more people, and I don't know if anybody else does, but you wish that more people offered anything up.
Well, in this next bit, we'll make you go, huh? Cause, according to one source, she wanted it in the trial record because, quote, she felt if she was to be executed, an angel in a chariot of fire would save her life. So that's a lot, yeah.
And you could again look at that two ways. So the prosecution rested their case just after just one day, followed soon again by the defense, who really didn't have any, uh, defense of their client. After a brief deliberation, the jury returned a verdict of guilty and was, um. And Clementine was sentenced to life in Angola prison for the murder of Azima Randall. Now, following her conviction, Clementine kind of just disappears from the record, really.
Like, just got convicted, went to prison. But then when she does pop up, you're like, what cause? She popped up again in the news nearly a year after this, okay?
And, according to the article, and like, and after that, she really disappeared, it's like, she really just pops in every once in a while. But according to the article, it says that the prisoner, meaning Clementine, underwent what is described as an operation of the most delicate sort, Oh no, performed by prison physician Dr.
Sterling, which left her, quote, one of the mildest prisoners in the penitentiary. Did she have a lobotomy? Lobotomies were not really over here at this time.
Okay again.
The article is not specific about what type of surgical procedure was performed, only saying that quote. The woman's desire to slay came from a perversion of the sexual instinct, and an operation to remedy this was performed by the physicians. So they're saying, like, her sexual appetite is what made her want to kill. In a statement to the press following the operation, prison manager Colonel Harrison Parker said We have had the woman under observation. Ever since. She has lost all traces of her old desire to kill. And sings cheerfully as she works in the fields, the cure is as complete as it is wonderful.
What did they do? This was before lobotomies were really a thing. I think it was a forced hysterectomy, that's.
I was wondering if that's what it was.
Just because of the way they speak about sexual appetiters and all that. But no matter what, it was, holy shit, what the fuck.
The cure is as complete as it is. Wonderful. That's chilling shit.
Yeah, and then she's just singing, and then she's just in the fields.
Yeah, which like, and there's also stories like I've seen, like stories, you know, and they're like internet stories. So like, you know, anybody can say any fucking thing they want on the internet. But they like that people have said like that, um, like, I've seen somebody claim that they like, met this old woman who, like their grandmother, knew in the area.
And that this woman, like, told her stories about, like, they never caught that. You know, the axe murder, you know of New Orleans, not the other one that we talked about before. But, um, and kind of, like, gave these stories that made it seem like, you know, I don't know, like.
That just made it seem like they knew a little more. And this is like older woman. And I guess, like at one point, she said something like that. She was, you know, like that. She showed like a picture of her when she was younger.
And when they saw it, it was the picture of Clementine Barnabas.
But she was still in prison.
But people think she was released from prison, what? Yeah? And in fact, authorities were so confident in this surgical procedure that they had performed on Clementine. She was released from Angola April 23rd, 1923..
So she didn't even do like, 10 years wait, when was she convicted?
I think that was only she only did.
She was convicted in Like 1911 1912.
Yeah, and that was probably like 1912, I would say, so she was there from 1912, so what, 11 years?
Yeah, what the fuck I mean that? Like, it's a long time, but not in this context.
If that's what she did.
If that's what she did.
And she just fades into society and off the record.
Clementine Barnabas was the only person punished for the familial axe murders in Louisiana.
So they just let everybody else that they were holding go.
In Texas, I should say she was the only one punished for them. What? And these were the ones that were occurred between, you know, 1909, 1910 and 1912. But the consensus seems to be that. If she was responsible for any, because nobody's sure if she was or not, that she couldn't have been responsible for all of them.
Well, no, because she was in prison while some continued to happen.
Yeah, exactly. Many of the suspects, other suspects were arrested and in jail with her, and they were still occurring.
And when did they stop?
That's, um, that's the thing. It's hard to say when they stop. Quote unquote. Okay, I think in 1912, it seems like they teetered out, at least from the record, but I don't know if that's just like. That fits the narrative of like, she's in jail now, so we won't connect these.
Okay, you know what I mean, but it seems like that's the thing. There's so many weird things here.
That's interesting.
That, like, I would be interested in, and I will do that. I'll go back and I'll, um, I'll report back on the next episode. In the beginning. I'm going to go back in the record and see like what other ones occurred and whether they were anything like similar. Yeah, because again, if they continued, then it you can say, well, she was part of the. She was saying, she was part of the sect that was doing this and other people were around to do it.
Yeah, but also you can be like, Huh, you know what I mean? Like, there's so many ways to look at it.
Well, cause you could also say like, she got convicted, maybe that scared the other whoever was involved and they once she got convicted, they were like, okay, stopped and were like, shit, but like, but then she got out and yeah.
So I'm going to take a peek and see if there's more that fit the bill.
This was a very spooky one. It's a spooky one and again.
You go back to why did she confess right? and why did she confess to as many? why did she insist it be put in the trial record?
But when you think, why did she confess to as many? Like you said in the beginning, there was more, even before that, they just were, like, not as similar. Which does lead you to wonder, like, sometimes that happens in people's early days of killing, they change it up and they get better at it. You know, I hate to say it like that, but lack of a better term. Yeah, yeah.
So maybe there's many ways to look at this, and there's many ways to either. Say she is mentally ill and suffered, yeah, and that this was just placed on her because they needed someone to pin it on.
Or maybe she's mentally ill and she did it, and she did it. I lean a little more toward she had some kind of involvement.
It feels like she did have some kind of I can't get past that apron.
I can't get past that apron and I can't get past the fact that. Like, she was so adamant that her father be put in prison and and she hid these bloody clothes for him. And it leads you to wonder, like, did she say, Oh, I did it for my dad? In case they found anything in her possession, yeah, and then her dad's in jail and they do find something in her possession.
It's like, Okay, well, it's not your dad now, yeah, see.
It's a very interesting case, yeah, and a lot of people suggested it because it's fascinating.
I can't get past the because. It would be one thing if she had a bloody apron, like, you know, things happening, like, whatever, yeah, but there was brain matter on the apron. And that they match. It's a it's human.
And it matched one of the people at the scene, and that it matched the Randall family.
I mean, and it would be one thing if it was an, if it was a apron or an apron, but it was her apron, it was hers.
And it was found in her room, hidden, hidden.
That's bizarre. And then she confessed, Yeah, and then what fucking operation did they give her, I know?
I feel like it has to be some kind of hysterectomy. It did sound that way.
As soon as you started talking about, like, her sexual appetite, and then it was.
Suppressed. And if you look, there is no. They never released what it was. You can't find it anywhere, but a lot of people do feel like it was probably a hysterectomy.
And then, like, if she wanted to talk about it later, like, and obviously that's like, just people on the internet talking, who knows what? It could just be to like. Add to the spooky vibes of it all, of course. Wow, weird fucking case, dude, yeah.
Very interested, very interesting one. Uh, next episode, yeah.
I'm going to take a peek because now I'm curious, so I'll update you guys in the beginning of the next episode, yeah.
I very much enjoyed your coverage of that. Oh, thank you. That was a thinker.
And thanks to Dave for the help because this was a very interesting one. Dave forever, Dave forever. Wow. Well, we hope you keep listening.
And we hope you keep it weird, but not somewhere that you don't keep thinking about this because I'm never going to stop. Probably bye.
I think I'm ready.
Sometimes I'll just be singing.
That's good, that was good.
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