"Kelly Clarkson"

Guys, who's fired up to do some podcasting? What kind of energy do you feel when you're going to just podcast the shit out of something?

I'm going to do it. I raced downstairs. I didn't even take a shower. I put my headphones on. I saw you guys.

You don't have anything prepared for this cold open?

You didn't eat anything? No. I usually have hot cocoa. What are you holding in your hand?

That's for his little wrist when he's typing. Do you do that much typing, where you need a little pad for your wrist?

I just had carpal tunnel in my hand.

And then what happened? You decided to use the other hand. Good for you. Welcome to Smart List.

She likes to giggle.

Yeah. She likes to giggle. And that's what we know so far.

Are you doing early guessing game?

Yeah. Let's start. You know what? Give me the first letter of the first name.

No.

Okay. First letter of the last name.

No.

Okay.

Jesus. No. All right. I just decided. I was like, you know what?

You know what? No.

I should go. Yes. No.

All right. Well, then let's get into our opening patter.

Awesome patter.

Sean, do you have anything prepared?

I don't have anything prepared. Here we go. Getting access to the file. When I'm drinking tea, I was going to ask you, do you leave your tea bags in or do you take them out? Today, mine are in.

Something sexual about that.

There is something.

Was the last time you were tea bagged in or out?

Was I tea bagged in or out? Now, Sean, are you a little bit under the web? He is. I was just telling Jason, I hope I didn't get you guys sick on Tuesday.

And I reminded-.

I don't think I did.

I reminded him that it was all, there was no open mouth guessing at all.

It was all closed.

I kept asking you actually to stop guessing and don't look at me.

Because you usually say, eyes on me, open eyes, eyes on me.

Eyes please. Eyes please.

Hey, that's a good question. When you guys kiss your significant other, do you keep your eyes open or do you close them? The whole time. The whole time open? The whole time open.

Looking for reaction. You know what I like to do? I like to stare right into the makeup artist's eyes when they're, when they're powdering me. It really freaks them out. Yeah.

But, Jason, you famously don't wear a lot of makeup when you do your gigs.

Well, the stuff I've been doing lately, you're not meant to look healthy or happy.

And that role you've been playing for 20 years.

Yeah. I'm going into a new thing where it's, I just don't think I'm going to be much in the makeup trailer at all.

Yeah. You got a real look going these days.

I know, right? This stupid hair. I think I do need to get it thinned out.

No, no, no. Oh, what a bummer. Hair is too thick.

It's too thick.

I mean... Now, Shawny, I noticed you're sneezing. No, no, I coughed. That was a cough. Oh, that was a cough.

I got to wait. There's a five-day incubation period in your virus?

Yeah.

Great. No, I think we're fine. I think we're all right. What about Scotty? Does he have it?

He had it before, but I didn't get sick from him.

Well, we know why.

Yeah. Why?

Listener, Shawn's really on the skids with Scotty, and there's a countdown for the... No. No.

I'll be available any minute.

You guys are about the best couple I've ever met.

I know. We all have great partners. We do, and I was describing Scotty the other day to somebody who's asking me, and I said, he's just the nicest, sweetest dude. He's so considerate. He is, and he looks like a box.

A boxy bear.

But he is such a sweet, legitimately considerate person. Yeah. He's the nicest person I've ever met.

And not from Canada. I know.

Shockingly. I know. You'd think he would be. Shockingly. I know.

We'll introduce Shawn and I to a couple of Canadians the other day who were just right out of the middle of the page for like, well, people tell you Canadians are friendly, but like, I don't know. Well, then you meet them. It's like, yeah. Yeah.

They're all like the nicest people in the world. I know.

And it's not learned. It's not contrived. It's just so genuine.

Well, you know, Paul is Canadian, but Jenny is American, but has lived in Canada.

I wasn't getting as nice a vibe off of her. Yeah.

That's interesting.

That's a good point.

You're getting a selfish kind of self-absorbed.

Something domestic. Yeah.

I tell you, I tell you, he's got a pretty good vibe. Oh, nice.

This is a segue. Here comes Giggles.

I tell you, he's got a pretty good vibe. He's our guest today. Do you like him? You know, people can do different things.

She is a juggler from northern Saskatchewan.

They can go on to Broadway. Shawn, you like Broadway? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They can go on to Broadway. They can sing songs.

Yeah, got it.

Hi, Kelly.

I was like, hello.

Willie guessed my guest the other day. Now I got you back.

I know you did. You did. Hi, Kelly Clarkson. Hi, Kelly Clarkson.

Kelly, I haven't seen you since Saturday Night Live, maybe? Oh, my gosh.

Okay, so I was going to bring it up. I don't even know if you, I don't know if you remember that I was on there with you, but I was terrified of you.

Oh.

No, you were nice.

I was terrified of you. No, you were so nice.

What about the whole experience? I literally, I remember telling my band, I was like, I had like a whole prep talk. I was like, don't fucking talk. You're going to say something stupid. I was like, just smile and just stand there.

That whole week, I was petrified.

Was that your first? Oh, you did amazing.

And you were so nice. I just think, when you are a fan of someone, so much so, and you love their like personality and they, you know, you're very charismatic, you're funny and quick. And so I was like, just don't, just don't say something stupid. I don't think I even spoke much.

You might want to withhold on the personality part. You know what I mean? Just give it a minute.

Oh, I'm like a dry wit asshole. So he's right down there.

Oh, you're going to love him. Oh, you're going to love him. You're going to love him. You're going to love him.

Welcome to Smart Loom.

Sorry, you're going to love him. You're going to love him. You're going to love him. Yeah. Now, I have a question about like, I remember, I'm so sorry you get these questions all the time.

I love, no, I'm telling you, I love her and Nick. I'm obsessed with them.

They're great. Yeah. I know. I love them too. And they, and Megan called me in her dressing room.

Oh, absolutely. But I mean, that's a very true statement. So, um.

For all of us, really.

Yeah. I mean, I think it's true, for.

Where would we be without the American audience?

But I mean, I mean, that show is so massive and it was, and you were the first one. And then, so you're easy to root for, because everybody loves you and you're so likable and I love you.

Debatable. But yes.

And, and, but to see you go from the little town girl that nobody knew, to every single thing that you conquered. over the years, I get, I imagine people come up to you on the street and just be like, have a sense of ownership, almost in a different way.

Yeah. I mean, I think it works for me because, like I said, I'm from a very small town. So, um, so I'm kind of used to like that, like even doing like talent shows as a kid, or like even doing musicals. or, you know, I've kind of used to like everyone knowing your name. It's like, cheers.

And on your talk show, you're just, you're very open. You talk about everything.

Yeah, I do. I love that, Kelly. You're just like, well, it's not really that much of an effort to not be an asshole. What are you saying?

Well, it depends on the person, Jason. Sometimes there's a lot of effort, but no, it's like, I think, because I have that small town mentality, it's always been very easy for me. And I don't mind, like I always say, I still at 41, like we'll be at Walmart in Butte, Montana and go, thank you. Cause they're like, oh, I voted for you. And I'm like, thank you.

You're like, thank you. But you're now. you're blocking my Range Rover. Okay.

I would not argue. I'm just kidding.

I know you would. I'm just kidding. No, but you legitimately have a great voice.

But without such a discovery, would that show have really carried on to the heights that it was like, look what they can find.

Yeah. Who knows? I mean, believe me, it's taking everything I got right now. I, the entire time. I just want to go, since you've been gone, anyway, but, but, and I love, but what, what was that process for you?

Oh my God. Craigslist was not around.

Was it not?

2001?. Was it?

2001, 2?. Wait, let me see. Can I see if I can get this right?

Yes.

I'd rather have her answer it, but okay. No, but wait.

I'm curious to know if you know it.

Craigslist. A friend challenged you or like to, to go on and if you went on and got on or won or something, you'd get her a car or something like that.

Something like that. Yes. Yes. I, well, I, literally, my place had burned down, the Croft Apartments off of Melrose. Um, and, uh, it, literally, the day we moved in, we had moved from this other place, and the day we moved in, it burned down.

On your way home from one of your jobs? Is that what it was?

I, no, like on my way home from, from California to Texas. Oh, to Texas.

Okay. Sorry.

It was like right after I, yeah. And so I, I got home and I didn't know what it was. I didn't even know it was a TV show until like the third audition. Um, cause you know, they, they have you go and they had us go in like these just random rooms, like in like for the producers, and you don't know anybody, you don't know what they're doing. Nobody had heard of Pop Idol, which there had been one season of Pop Idol in the UK.

That's amazing.

What'd you get her? Was it a new car?

Um, it was like her dream car. I think it was like a Firebird or something. It was like over 20 years ago, but I think, I believe it was like a Firebird.

Firebird. Yeah.

Or not a Firebird. No. It was like a Mustang. A Mustang.

I don't, I don't remember what it was. It was like a sports car, but it was like badass. But I, but I, I wasn't, I'm not into sports cars.

But like, were you surprised that you won or had you already experienced a, a pretty good level of success locally?

Um, no, I mean, I was surprised I'd won. I mean, yeah, I'd won like, I'd won, like the Burleson talent show. Like, you know, but like exactly prestigious. Um, but you know, when you're, you know, a kid, you do those kinds of things. And I've, I'd had, like, some success in the sense of like, you know, following through on some dreams that I had like locally, but like I, you know, when I was a kid, but no, I mean, I'd never won anything of like real importance or done anything.

What, what, what was the process? So what, from the first audition, so you heard about this audition where they were going to have, you didn't know it was a show. It was just, they were looking for singers. is what you heard. Is that right?

Oh, like, um, within like a year, like it was months, because it was the first season and they were still putting it all together, and it was an English based company. So people were coming in and out.

Are you singing the same song in every, uh, every stage, every audition?

They, they'd like you to, or they did. They asked us who I, I, was about to sing. I said yes to singing at someone's wedding and I was singing at last. They wanted me to sing at last. And so I think I sang at last for the first three.

So, so, so within a year you go from driving home to, so you can make more money. So you don't have to live in your car to being an international superstar. And that, that kind of whiplash on your life, forget. professionally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The weight of it.

The weight of it. And some people might say, oh, poor Kelly Clarkson. You became rich and famous in a year.

I'm one of those people too, by the way.

Of course.

Was that, Jane Buffett, that you were just quoting?

That was Jane Buffett. That was my good friend, Jane Buffett. Um, no, she never said that, Jane.

No, but that's just a great Jane accent.

The great, I know she's the best. Was, what was that, like, Kelly, for you? Like sort of, not the, not the day after you win, but in the sort of the time after, as you, as your life just has a dramatic shift. What was that like for you as a person, as a human being walking this planet?

Um, you know, really cool moments and then, like a lot of not great ones. So I think I'm a very trusting person. Well, I think the scary part comes when it's more the human factor. It's not the working. I've always had like three or four jobs at a time.

Yeah, there's, there was an article written in this old paper in LA. I don't even think they print it anymore called the LA weekly. This is like, I don't know, 30 years ago, that's like a cover story called the fine art of lying and, and talking about the relevance and the necessity of it, specifically in the entertainment industry. I'm sure it's pervasive in other industries as well, but specifically that they cited all these examples. And it's really true.

No, you do get used to it, but I don't think, I don't think that you are, are, or, or numb to it. I mean, I know, for what do you mean? Lies for lies about what?

Well, lies about your, your, Hey, Oh, I, I, I saw your movie the other day. Oh yeah. What'd you think? Now, if you didn't like it, but you're friends with that person now, obviously, this is not some big thing that I'm revealing, but there is sort of a, I find that there is a lot of it that you need to do in town. If you care about the people that you're talking to, because there's.

so much rejection, everybody works hard and difference of opinion.

Yeah.

By the way, I, I, for, for what it's worth, I loved. goodnight, Oscar.

Oh, yes. And me, I think I liked it more.

Sean, I thought you were so good at it.

I loved it.

Goodnight, Oscar. What a tribute.

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But, Kelly, I was going to say, well, you know, you touched on something which is, and kind of actually going on. what Sean said, which is that you belong, there, is that feeling of like, you, I think a lot of Americans identified with you because you were the first person who, kind of, was plucked out of a blimp and became a superstar. And I guess that's what I'm wondering about. is, after that, you are because people felt a certain sense of ownership.

And a proxy of like the American dream.

So how hard is that?

That's not hard. Like that's not, I mean, I get that. I don't know how, but I still like, I can still like, be objective and go, man, that, you know, that's incredible, that someone made it in that sense. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, and, and it kind of, I think, what it did just for speaking to people and meet and greets and whatnot, for years and years, is it really gave people like a, I don't know what, like a, it kind of gave people that thing of like, no, really, you can accomplish anything like your dreams or whatever it is.

And they actually filmed that stuff. Right. They like, they deliver your story to, much like they do in the Olympics. They deliver your story to, and then, boom, they go live. Here's her, here's her singing on stage.

And I think people relate to that. I think people think maybe I can still do that. Or maybe that could be me. I think that it like has this sense of aspirational.

Yeah. Yeah.

Vicarious.

Yeah. Well, Sean used to do a lot of meet and beats, right? Yeah.

No, no, sorry. She said meet and greet.

Well, okay. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry.

Well, well done. Good for you, Sean.

Thank you, Kelly. So, like, listen, do you remember, do you remember when you first started, you know, immersing yourself into the world of Hollywood and Los Angeles and all that? Do you remember what was kind of foreign to you that you were like, oh, I didn't know. you needed makeup every single time. Oh, I didn't know.

Oh, I got in trouble on American Idol. They were like, so we're about to be on camera. And I was like, I know. And they were like, but you're going to be on camera. And I was like, I know.

They were very into it. The glam of it, yeah.

Yeah, I was like the most amazing person to tour with for those girls, because I was never in the makeup and hair chair. Like, I was like, they would have to force me to like sit there because I'm highly allergic. Anything that gets near my eyes, vegan, whoever's brand that says whatever, it still sucks for my eyes. And anyway, so I don't like wearing it. I don't enjoy wearing it.

You can't pry me out of the chair, you know? I need it. I do need it. And that's the thing.

Like, I adore the people I work with. Even my makeup artist. I love her so much. I was laughing at Jason saying you often like stare directly in their eyes. We have so many like inside.

Right, right. So then you, so you don't do it, or you're sort of resistant to it for all the reasons you just outlined. Then you win American Idol. Now you're a pop star. And now you've got to release record after record, which you do incredibly successfully.

And singing in front of thousands of people.

Exactly. I'm fascinated by. all of a sudden now you're a mega star sort of overnight. Not really. Now, of course, people don't realize that you've been working for years trying to do what you want to do.

Yeah, but it was overnight.

I'm okay with that. Okay. And then, thank you for letting me off the hook. But then you, all of a sudden, it's like, okay, so you win. That's huge.

Yeah. And it was bumpy from the beginning. Yeah. Just because nobody knew what to do with me. Because I liked a lot of different genres of music.

Clive Davis, yeah.

Yeah, it wasn't him running the label. I didn't make my first record with him.

Yeah, yeah.

So, anyway, it was just kind of rocky from the beginning. There was a changing of hands, like a, you know, baton passing with the label. There's a lot going on. Nobody knew what to do. Like, it was a crazy, like, I think people thought, oh, right off the bat, she, like, had all this money.

Who was producing the record for you then? At that point, who were you, like, what was that process?

I can't remember. I think it was Peterson. I can't remember his name. It was, but it was a long time ago. But he was, right in the beginning, he was very nice.

And did you write these songs? Or were these songs that were written by, because a lot of artists, I've learned very late in life, some of them write their own music, and they perform their own music, and then others, no better, no worse, they take songs that are already written by somebody who doesn't know how to sing, and then they sing.

Didn't you sing an Avril Lavigne song?

Yeah, I've sang Katy's song, Christina's song, Sia, Pink, Avril. I love writing, and I've been writing since my first album. I've always written on all my records, and I've also always just loved finding songs that I feel like I was intended to be the vessel for. Like, I love, I mean, I love interpretation. So, I mean, obviously, even from the talk show, if we skip ahead, like, I love taking a song and even flipping it, like, the production.

What about that? Sorry, Shani. Did you ever see a movie called Into the Woods? I love that movie.

With James Corden. Yeah, Meryl Streep, Emily Blunt, James Corden. Yeah.

Like, would you ever be excited if somebody brought you something like that, where there's a little bit of acting, but a lot of singing as well? Like, singing, acting?

Also known as a musical movie. Go ahead. Sorry. Also known.

Well, it was based on a musical. You know, there's a whole genre.

Right. Based on it. It was a musical.

A guy named Stephen Sondheim, I hear, is really starting to take off.

He's going to make it.

Jason, do some singing, acting for us real quick.

I want to see some singing. Hello, I'm hungry. Nice. Something like that.

You can sing, Jason. Well, that's not acting, because we know you're hungry.

Yeah.

I would maybe do something like that, but I think I'm, like, such a fan of what y'all can do. Like, I think it's interesting when actors, especially I have this talk show, like, I meet actors a lot, and I never was around actors, only musicians generally.

Right. I feel the same way about musicians. I do. I'm in awe of what you do. Your ability to...

No, but I find that that's the case, right? Exactly. But I have such an appreciation for it, and I've never, like... Like, I did know the winner of American Idol. We found out, like, around the top five, that in that little fine print that we signed for the contract, the winner would have to do this movie.

Did you? Did you have to? Yeah.

Yeah. I bought the first ticket.

I had to do it, yeah. And it's not like. I was, like, trying to, you know, poo-poo on it or whatever. It's just... I was so worried, because my goal was to sing and tour and do stuff like that.

What level of pride do you allow yourself to feel that you have taken, in, what, 20 years, a great step through a door that wasn't pried open for you by anybody else? I mean, you did that part, too. But once you had that platform and all this capital that you were able to build on it, and diversify it and parlay it into this massive, legitimate career, such that some people would be really interested to hear that you got started on American Idol. Much the same way, like, you know, there's all these people that started on Star Search. It's like, wait, what?

Yeah, there are a lot of kids who bought your records, who didn't watch you on Idol, right, Jay? Is that what you're getting at? Like, there are a lot of people who are fans of yours, who don't know that.

Exactly. And my question is, do you... Have you, sort of, just out of admirable humility,

Yeah, I mean, I think for me, what I'm most proud of is, even if there's, like, I've been told in this business, like, well, you're a sinking ship, and I was like, okay, cool, but as long as I'm at the helm, I'm cool with that. Like, as long as somebody else isn't driving it, like, that's cool. Like, I think that's what I take pride in, is, like, look, it hasn't been a perfect career. It's obviously been like this, but, like, it's been perfect for me in the sense of, like, every decision I've made and everything I've done, it's because I wanted to do it, regardless of the outcome. And I think I'm proud of the fact that I don't let pride or ego, or even shame, if that comes in, you know, or any of that, I don't let that get in the way of it.

So how did you learn that? Because you were, like you said, 19, and now you're 40, whatever. How did you learn how to weed out the good from the bad as you entered the business?

Childhood trauma.

It's interesting.

When that person or people that are supposed to be there for you the most, when you get let down, and I know that sounds dark, but when that happens, I think in your head, you're like, okay, well then, maybe life isn't so about just aiming to please everyone or aiming to receive something. Maybe you just do it because you want to do it, and you never know how many trips around the sun you get. You might as well try whatever you want.

Yeah, I think the same way.

Or maybe even said differently, if you agree, that it sets you up, the necessity, becomes being self-sufficient. If you can't rely on those closest to you at certain times, then you learn, well, then, I just have to make myself happy.

I've got that burden.

Yeah, and it's because I was going to say, and Sean beat me to the question, you are so clearly comfortable in your skin and, you know, shitty word. I don't have a better one, but you're just lovely. Oh, God. No, I'm kidding. I love that word.

Yeah, because you didn't become a drug addict. You didn't become this or that.

Yeah, did you have great parents or parent or uncle, or something that really showed you kind of this North Star of like, well, wow, look at the adversity they've gone through and they're still able to be, you know, loving and giving and warm and open to the people they care about, and they're not walking around and bitter and aggrieved. And like, it's just, you seem to really have taken whatever negatives you went through and I'm not prying for those, but you seem to have turned them into a positive and they just taught you coping mechanisms that have yielded this nice, balanced personality and vibe, it seems like, yeah?

Yeah, I think for me, it wasn't like one person.

Thank you so much, Kelly.

I think for me, it wasn't one person. I think it's a village, right? That raises any kid. Like, I don't think it's, you know, people are just like, oh, it's my mom or it's my dad, or it's, you know, whatever. I think.

But you know what, Kelly, there's a real wisdom to that, which is, and Sean, you always say it takes a village people, but, but, you know, we, we, you, there's a wisdom to this idea that you, whatever you put out in life, is what you're going to get back. Right. And so I have no idea who you're talking about or what they're like as a person. They might be a terrible person, but at least in that aspect, and if you, yeah. So if you, you know, sometimes that feeling of, of loving somebody, no matter what, will increase the chances of you getting love back.

We'll be right back.

And now back to the show.

All right, let's get to the show. Yeah. I would imagine. Yeah. Do you love it as much as you seem?

can we go back further,

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Can we, can we go back to like, how, how did that happen? You're Kelly Clarkson. You have so many different phases to your life. You're Kelly Clarkson, aspiring singer. You're Kelly Clarkson, rock star.

No, no, that's yeah. I, I said no the first two times. Like, so they, I was on the voice and I love NBC. I have a really healthy relationship with them. Well, they don't lie.

And,

and then I said no. And then I said no again. And then all of a sudden it was just, you know, and it was actually my ex who, you know, we were just laying in bed, and he was like, I really feel like you should, just, you'd be really good at it, because you're really good with people. Like, you're, like, you're really good at talking. I don't think it's going to be like a job for you.

Naturally charismatic and friendly, and interested and curious. And it's like, you. just, you've got people skills, because you're not a dick, you know? I mean, like, well,

well, thank you. But I, but I, I don't know. I just, it just is not like. the hardest part of my talk show is just that I was like, Hey, I have this idea. We can open with a song before and I could elevate, you know, other artists that I love or whatever, and do covers and whatever.

you know what I'm saying?

It's like,

it's like,

it's, we literally don't rehearse it. We just do it. You know, it's the craziest thing ever. So, um, that part is like the hardest part. The talking part is so easy.

that's like, but you don't got to talk, you know, it's not, yes or no time.

You sell your shit.

You're not doing me a favor by sitting on the couch.

That can be hard. sometimes. I'm like, wow. Do say more. Um, but, um, that can be tough.

It's so amazing. Yeah. It's just a fun job.

And honestly, the support of, cause. I literally told them to see, I was like, I don't, I'm not trying to slap a gift horse in the face, mouth, whatever you say, whatever the saying is. I was like, I'm just, I'm not happy here. I can't, I can't continue doing this. And I don't want to like, I need to like, I know everybody's put a lot of money and time and we're winning and we're doing well.

That's really great. Which is huge. By the way,

30 rock. Yeah.

That's right. Do you look a gift horse in the house, in the mouth? Do you know what that expression is? Do you know what it comes from?

I do.

Do you?

Yeah. If somebody, yeah, it goes back to somebody. You give somebody a horse and you look in the teeth, and if the teeth are bad, then you say, no, thank you.

You can see how old, you can see how old the horse is and the health, the overall health, of a horse. And so if somebody gives you one and you go, yeah, I'll take the gift, but hang on, let me look inside. And then you're looking at the, it's rude. uh, so yeah,

so the more, you know,

I love you, Jason.

I'm sneaky, smart.

I know you are. You're not sneaky, smart. You're playing smart. Hey, so you, Kelly, you're now at 30, rock, um, which is, must feel like, uh, I mean,

it feels, well, you know, what's so funny is, um, I've been going there so much for over 20 years that like, like for promotion stuff and just in and out of the building, that I, it oddly, felt very normal right off the bat. Like, yeah. I mean, you walk around like, um, for some reason, my key like never works. They just don't want to let me in the building. Um, and I always have to go to this one area and get another one.

What floor are you on? Are you on six?

I'm right across from, yeah, right across from Jimmy.

You are. Okay. Jimmy Fallon. Yeah. From Jimmy.

I'm so jealous. It's such a dream of mine to live in New York, work at 30 rock, on something that is every day. Like I swear to God, I've been, I've wanted that since I was, uh, you know, a young kid, like going to New York for work and going to 30 rock. I just think that building is incredible. Um, the whole area around it, the, even like the ice, all the closed off streets,

the basement level of all the things happening that I never knew. the city underneath. I was like, what?

Are you crying right now? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going to help you out. Sorry.

I was going to say, I will say it's, it's how you're describing it. It is movie, like, like I walk home, um, every day from work, and, it's the coolest thing ever. You put your headphones in. I'm usually learning them, listening to what I'm supposed to be seeing the next day. Um, but like, you, you know, you, you walk home, you go out of the building, this historical, cool building, the city, everybody's got their own vibe going on.

and then,

and you, um, you put your headphones in and you walk home, and it's like a, you know, 35 minute walk home. And so it's nice. It's lovely. And you're walking through a park and you're, it's, it's really, it's like, I don't know. the older we get, I sound like an old person, but the older you get, those moments really matter.

It's experiential. Jay, we were talking on the phone this morning about it. It's a, it's like, how do you want your experience to be? Like, you can have X, Y, and Z, but the, but you have to go through the process of doing it and you have to do it on a day-to-day basis. So what do you want that to be?

It's very inspirational. Yeah.

It fills you up, right? Like it fills your, your, your soul. If, if, if you will. Um,

and it sounds like cheesy, but like, or very celebrity, but like I, at the risk of this, I, I have to be, I think, cause I'm from the countryside. I have to be like, like. that park saves me right there. It saves me every day. Like, I, I don't think I could live in the concrete jungle without that park.

And I did when I was doing the play last summer, I would walk. Sometimes I'd walk from your front door to the escalate. Yeah. I was exhausted.

and I are pregnant. Wow.

The NBC, Jason Bateman is open to your offer of working for you at 30 rock on a daily basis.

Come to him. Sort of a call.

Would y'all ever, would you, this is a real question. Would you, cause I'm not bullshitting you. I really do listen. I was even with my sister and I were listening to like two of the morning last night, where I think the Kevin Hart one, and we were listening to a bunch of them anyway. And would you ever, cause?

like a TV show,

like a TV show?

Uh,

I've, I've thought about it, but I think it would be more full time than I think the three of us, um,

like,

yeah, like right now it's just, you know, it's an hour a week. Um, and it's, we can, we're, we're flexible with it. We're mobile with it. Um, but yeah, if it was a structured studio and stuff, it would, it would mean stopping some of the other things we're, we're enjoying doing in addition to this right now.

Perfectly. And anybody who would want to have us on their platform to do that would have to make an offer, um, to Aline Cashew.

Will has a number.

And, uh, well, let's hear what it is, but.

But I do think that you can make that whatever you want, because I, because I didn't know what a talk show was. Like, I didn't really know, like, I didn't know this world. I'm, I'm an artist. I'm never even awake for daytime television. Like, I'm like, so like, I'm, this is not really generally my world.

But there's also a plus in that for, for me, that's why it's so tempting. Like, I love routine. I would love to have, you know, the, that stage across from Jimmy's, and you, and you have the pattern that you walk home every day from the, through the park. Like, I love,

I love a routine. I flourish in a routine.

But also you also having that, as you know, because of what we do, sometimes you have like a million things happening at once. And again, not a cop, not, not a complaint. Like, you know, you have the, you know, uh, uh, privilege of having a million things. But when you get to work on one thing all the time, you can't, you're like, sorry, I can't, I'm just doing this thing. And there's something really satisfying about having those moments.

I know that you've answered this question probably a billion times. I've never heard the answer. That's why I'm going to be the tool. I am a tourist as well. Um, but, um, no, why?

Uh, wills originally. And then Sean and I kind of snored in on it and changed what wills, concept and premise was going to be. And then it just became a, well, let's just kind of hang out and chit chat during COVID. Cause we can't see each other.

We had no idea.

we didn't know the answer to that. Sorry. You've probably answered it a billion times.

It's not that it's not particularly, we literally were like, Oh, let's just do it. And then we, and then the week, the world shut down on the Friday of March, 13th of 2020.. And we had a meeting on the Tuesday before, like four days before. Yeah.

Yeah. Sean's, a Sean's real smart dude. Michael grant Terry puts, put some, put some form to it and presented to us. Well, guys, just, just so you know, this is what it could be. And, and this is what it's not, you know, like, so don't think it's, you know, going to be a big, huge time, suck.

And we paid for it. Like we, we put it up on its feet, on our own. I mean, it wasn't a lot, but we did that. And that's how I think that. that's why, though,

because it was so organic. I think, you know, a lot of horrible things happen because of COVID, but a lot of really incredible things happened out of COVID.

And it was just an excuse to see each other, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it became, like this, really great, you know, we, a lot of feedback we got, especially at that time, from people was like, Hey, it was great to be able to listen during COVID. And, truthfully, it was selfishly, it was great for us to be able to do it.

it was selfishly. It was good for me to work through that. I worked my whole TV show the whole time.

Right.

And being in the mountains and like snow.

And being able to, to call people in that, that you're really interested to talk to, kind of unapologetically. You're not like tapping them on the shoulder. Like, excuse me, Mrs. Such and such. I'd love to ask you a question.

I do.

You just say to your, to your gang, your producers, like, Hey, would you reach out to such and such? If they'd be interested in coming on the show.

She's in a gang.

Yeah. No,

that just happened to me with Cher. I was like, and Atlantis was on this season. Like a lot of people, that I. Adore. Um, I, they're always going to be more mute.

Well, you're, you're killing it. You really are. You killed it and everything you've done. You're, you're, you're such a, um, such a sort of real,

say lovely. Yeah. Lovely.

Lovely person. I could hear you talk all day long. I could hear you sing all day long. I love it.

Yeah. You're nice. I don't leave voicemails because of my talking voice.

I just want to belt out all your songs to you, because I just love, I love belting out your songs the way it's just so good. Um, you, we have taken up way too much of your time. God, you're busy. Uh, get back to your incredibly successful, uh, talk show. We wish you nothing but the best.

Yeah. Yeah. You're awesome. No,

thank you guys for having me. I've, I know I've listened to the show, so I like to be in a, the same category as a lot of the people that you, you interview is very cool. So thank you very much for having me.

And you make like, honestly,

just like cutting through the bullshit and just being through yourself. It's so refreshing to listen to and it's fun. and it's, I don't, you know how y'all were saying people look at me. I look at y'all the same way. So I think it's very refreshing for people.

It's nice for people to see this version of Sean, for sure. I love Sean. I love Kelly.

You made this real easy. Thank you, Kelly.

Kelly. Thank you so much. Success. Congratulations. And, uh, wish you nothing but the best.

Yes. No, y'all have a good, uh, 2024 y'all.

You too.

Bye Kelly.

I know she's, so, I love this. Sean, you started in the right way, which is you put it in such a great way, which is like, yeah, she feels very much like, like ours, like ours. Yeah. Yeah. She is the American idol.

I think I honestly felt like I could, I could fire up a friendship with her tomorrow. That would last 40 years. Well,

when you're doing your talk show across the hall from her, Jason. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that.

Or maybe combined with her. What? Kelly and Jason.

From, from Jason to Kelly. Jason. Ah, that was the name of our movie. That's right. From Justin to Kelly.

What's that song that goes, bye, bye, black sheep? Blackbird?

Yeah. Fuck, man. Jason, let's get out of here. Fuck, that was so fucking sweaty.

Yeah, how's it go? Bye, bye,

bye,

bye, bye, bye, bye.

Smart. Less.