2023-11-01 02:38:21
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Would you like anything special? Did, like Evan, make this for you?
Yeah, it's Black Rifle. I don't know what blend it is.
I'm going to be fully transparent. I only like the bougie. Black Rifle blends. The bougie blends? Yeah, like...
Oh, like the Ethiopian stuff?
Yeah, like Evan...
Like the lemony sort of...
Evan will be like, oh, so, I, you know, soul source selected this bean from this place and I roasted it this way. I'm like, oh, it's going to be good. And it's good.
Well, every year I do elk hunting camp with Evan. We share an elk hunting camp in California. So we just got back. And so Evan makes coffee for us every day. So he gets up and he fucking hand measures everything and he brings his own fucking special blends.
He had two different blends because he knows I like a dark roast. So he had a dark roast and then he had this really bizarre, exotic coffee that tasted different than anything I'd ever had before. It was like, had like a kind of like, almost like a sweet, like almost like a tea. taste to it. Like he.
just, he's a master.
He was using tax paying dollars to start his coffee obsession. Was he really? Yeah, so when he was both in group and at the agency, he would take, you know, we have discretionable funds that you can spend on whenever, and area improvement is an appropriate way for you to spend money. So he would buy, like a $20,000 espresso machine and, you know, a $3,000 grinder in some middle of nowhere Ford operating base where he's making coffee and like just being a total nerd. It's all taxpayer money.
It's awesome. Like finally something's being used with taxpaying dollars that benefits the soldier, which is rare.
We ran out of coffee filters and someone was like, well, you just use paper towels. And he just let, fuck. no. We're not going to use paper towels. I was like, dude, we're not using paper towels.
Just look at him. He's little, but he's mighty.
He's very serious. Do not use paper towels. Like this, he's very serious about his coffee. You've been to his place in Utah? Yeah.
The lab that he has set up at Black Rifle?
Yeah, he made me do like one of the like the little tastes where they like. do this thing with the spoon and then you have to smell it first and you have to do something with your tongue. And I was like, is this, what are we doing here?
I can't, I can't do that. I can't go that far. It's like with wine. Like when people like, oh, hints of Oak. Like I don't, it's good.
I like it. I like it. You can do that.
This goes well with what I'm eating right now.
I have a friend, my friend, Matt, I'll call. He's a real wine freak. And I'll just like show him a photo of like the wine page at a restaurant. Like, what should I get? And he'll tell me, he'll just text me.
He loves it. So I'm like, good. I've got that farmed off.
If I can outsource things that I don't have to keep on my brain. Yeah.
I do not want to have to pay attention to that.
We are so good.
And that's how I do it with coffee too. I just like, like Evan's, like, I'll send you a bag of that stuff. I'm like, great. What was it? again?
I forget what it was, but it was like fruity.
And another one, like as Jack Carr, is so incredible, Evan. So I'm skydiving all, I was supposed to be skydiving all last week, but I was in Israel. And then, um, so I had to move it to the right, uh, cause we're doing this Moab jump with a bunch of your, your friends, Mike Sorelli and Mike Glover and Evan. And, um, so I like, I need to brush off, knock off the dust a little bit. So I, I, Evan, and he sends me this like super fancy, um, designed helmet from black rifle, a skydive helmet, a G3, for just like, just sent it to me, you know?
And I was like, all right, this is really cool. You know, I'll be skydiving with this, uh, helmet. that is way above my ability. Cause I'm just total sky trash.
I have never, and I'm not doing it. I have zero desire. I don't get it. I don't get Andy Stump with his fucking flying squirrel suit. Fuck you.
I hope you there too.
I'm not doing that. Of course he's, he, that's easy for him. He's used to the flying squirrel suit. Regular skydiving, ain't shit.
The, I asked Andy if he'd be interested in, in helping me do this, like base jump stuff and wingsuit stuff. And just, all I got was no. And it's like, can you expand on that? He's like all of my friends that I used to do this with are dead. So no, Tim.
Okay. Well, great conversation. That was fun.
That is like the death rate in that stuff. Like he was telling me, like how many, uh, like, if you send out fucking 20 people to do that, how many come back? It's not good. No. Yeah.
You find a different hobby.
It's not a good, did you ever see the video where the guy is trying to fly in between the arches of a bridge? The sound, the clang of metal when his meat and bones hit that bridge. It was terrible.
It was like a, a watermelon traveling at 200 miles an hour, impacting metal.
Yeah.
And, uh, and you can't imagine what that sound like. you imagine what that sound would be until you hear it. And that was a watermelon with bone slamming against metal, which was a human, which is now nothing,
nothing, a splatter. It's instantaneous. I mean, he's probably going a hundred miles an hour,
you know,
faster,
probably. Yeah. Yeah. How fast do you go with those things?
If, um, 140.. So like if, if you're in a dive position, you're going 160 to 200 miles an hour. And, um, and if you're stable flying, you know, maybe one 40..
Um,
yeah. So when, when, when you're like navigating, like he was, I'm at, but he was going 140, 150 miles an hour. Jesus,
which really makes you appreciate nature and evolution. That the Paragon Falcon does like, what does it do? Like 220 or something insane.
And can change on a dime. Just like flip. You can go up to 220 horizontally.
Oh, Oh,
fast.
220 in a car. Fucking feels insane. I mean, I've never done it. I don't know, but I mean, I've done, I've done like, we went to the local racetrack, that place up there, Coda. Oh, our light's not on.
Uh, we went to Coda recently and Coda gets, gets up to like, I mean, we were in a Lamborghini, went to like one 47.. That feels fucking insane at a racetrack.
I got this thing going on. You got it. You got it.
Oh, there we go.
Yeah. That long straightaway into that almost one 80 turn on a motorcycle is one of the scariest things I have ever felt.
Have you done that track? Yeah. Oh, that's right. Awesome. Yeah.
I mean, except for that, like my testicles were up into my stomach and I thought I'm a brave, courageous human. And then I was just a hundred percent coward on a racetrack. Right.
At least if you wipe out, you just kind of like,
yeah,
we were watching formula one there. That is fucking wild. Those guys are flying. They're going so much faster than regular cars. You can really get a perspective when you've actually driven around the car in like a GT car track rather.
And then you see those guys.
It's wild. Oh, and there's levels to, you know, every time I think that I'm good at something, then you go with somebody that's actually good at that thing. Yeah. And then you're just like, I am so trash.
Yeah. I thought I knew how to drive a car until I got lessons and like, Oh, I suck at driving too. Great.
The long litany of things that I suck at, which are just made so clear.
But then, unfortunately, I don't want to suck at it. So now I have this new addiction and I want to go to the fucking track all the time, which is not the best thing for. like time management. Yeah. Because it's a fucking full day thing.
You know, it's like golf or something like that. Like, I've never played golf and I won't play golf because it's a time management thing. Yeah. Like, I don't have that. Like Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe, they go out and they play for fucking eight hours.
I'm like, bro, I don't have eight hours ever. Eight hours of sleep.
You get stuff done on the golf course.
No, you don't. No, you don't. Maybe if you're a hedge fund manager and you want to figure out how to rip people off.
I enjoy the, I mean, shooting and golf have a lot in common, like precision rifle. Um, so I, I enjoy that portion of it. So I definitely don't need to do this other thing with a club and a ball.
I have a pool addiction, which is very similar. The billiards, you know, I play, I play pool at a pretty high level. I, I, I have a real problem with that. I could play eight, nine hours a day.
Those are easy. Those are dorks. Yeah. Real pool nerds.
Oh yeah.
Are apt. They're genius. Yeah. And they're weird and they're so freaking good.
They're so fucking smart. That's what's crazy. Like really good pool players are fucking smart because you have to be, because you have to, it's problem solving. You have to figure out how to manage geometry and also feel. And then you have to execute the shot too, under pressure.
Yeah.
Very similar to jujitsu and, and archery. Yeah. This physical application of this mental complex problem. Yeah. That is, you know, in real time, changing, every second.
Yeah. I think jujitsu is the most complex of those things. And the most, but it's also the one that breaks your body the most. That's the problem with jujitsu.
You're really good in this long. I've totally changed now that all of these monsters have moved to Austin. And, uh, what I, uh, another example of where I thought I was just this freak grappler until I met real freak grapplers. And I'm like, man, I'm not even top 20.. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm maybe top a hundred.
No, no. And, so that realization with the Jean-Carlo Bedoni's and the Gordon Ryan's, the Victor Hugo's, the Marighelli's and the Craig Jones's, you know, like wild.
How many fucking people are you, Sean? They're all in my gym too.
Everyone's. I was in his Academy this morning.
It's amazing.
Uh, I mean, no, no, it's not amazing. Joe,
it's not,
I'm saying this is the spectrum of a great, another thing that I'm trash at. Uh, but I've totally changed. I want to do jujitsu until I'm a hundred years old. And, um, so. I'm so intentional about what my roles are, who my live goes are with, um, you know, the.
That's important.
It's so important.
And also keeping, you're very good at keeping up your physical body, which a lot of people are not. They just roll. Yeah. And they just train, which you really can't.
Nope. I, my, I split my, my effort in a week almost evenly between, you know, grappling, striking, physical development, strength, speed. Um, and then, like that long recovery, longevity aspect of it. Like that's how my, my week is broken into for my training.
You almost have to treat your body like a pit crew. You know, like you really have to change your fucking tires. You got to do the whole thing. You have to, you can't just like, ah, they look good. No, you got to like, really treat it.
Like. there's a methodical approach that must be done in order to race. If you want to train, you kind of have to do that. Yeah. Yeah.
It's not good for the ego. It's not. I got it. I got it. I got away with it when I was 25 and fighting, but, uh, yeah.
Well, you got away with it, while you were also active duty, which is pretty crazy.
Yeah. I should have, um, been a little bit more intentional and disciplined about how I spent my time. I, I took youth for granted.
Everybody does. Yeah. Youth is wasted on the young. Isn't it wild?
Especially when you're dumb. Yeah. It's hard.
Well, most young people are dumb. Yeah. And it's most young people that do the kind of stuff that we enjoy. Yeah.
And we did dumb stuff.
Yeah.
It's life. Everything's good, man. Everything's really good.
Shooting bow. yesterday. My buddy Tyson, um, got Rob from Roka sent, gave him a bow. I, another great person that does great things for people that I resent.
Rob's great.
Yeah. Like you never gave me a bow. Like I was never given a bow. Like, how does this just happen? So he came over and,
do you want one? No,
I got a great, I got a great bow. Um, from archery country.
Oh, okay. Yeah. That's my spot. Yeah.
I was there this morning. Got, um,
yeah, let's go.
I got six new arrows today. Um,
I shot through one of my archery targets and it hit the wood in the back. And I was like inspecting my arrow and I saw like this, just little tiny fine line along the side of it. And I was like, you're done.
Oh, carbon, carbon. Yeah. You gotta be really careful about that. A lot of those explode and it goes from people's hands.
I can't, I love those videos. I can't watch them, but I love them. Do you watch them? You do.
I've seen them. Yeah. I don't enjoy them. I check all my shit religiously, though, because of that. I used to, I had a Teflon glove that I tried to wear for a while.
A lot of guys wear a Teflon glove to make sure that never happens, but it's like, it's never happened to me. I've been shooting a bow for 10 years.
I love it.
Yeah. It's great.
I've built a, about 180 degree 3d archery range in the backyard and back three acres. Yeah. I got full size elk and, Oh yeah. Pigs and coyotes and a bunch of little deer. So anywhere from a hundred yards.
And I hate that I have to say yards.
Instead of meters. Yeah. We should have changed over. We almost did when I was in, like, I guess I was in high school and they were trying to change everybody over.
It'd be just so much easier.
It makes more sense. America's so fucked up with that. We're like, nah, fuck the rest of the world. Inches, bitch.
We made it to the moon off inches and feet. Great. Thanks.
That was a long time ago.
The rest of the world is like on the metric system. Like, I love how England still sticks with pounds. Well, they do stone. They're still with the stone thing.
Dumbest unit of measurement.
When we used to do fights over there and I had to do the weigh-ins, I used to have to say stone as well as pounds. It's like, okay, why are we doing that? Is this confusing when I just say pounds?
It's confusing enough when we have to throw on how much somebody weighs in kilos, and then how much they weigh in pounds. And we throw in stones.
Yeah.
And we're just like, okay.
Kilos, Celsius. I was watching this video. This guy was talking about, well, it's 30 degrees out, so it's a nice day to go out and shoot. I was like, 30 degrees. I was like, oh, he's in Canada.
All right. Okay. You communist. Using that bullshit metric system.
They really are. right now too. They are.
They're full on.
I never thought it would happen that fast. Bro,
it's so bad. I'm worried that my podcast is going to be censored in Canada.
It's going to.
Pass some new fucking legislation where they're allowed to. The whole idea is under the guise of Canadian content, because they have a Canadian content law where you have to have a certain amount of Canadian based content on the radio and television and stuff like that. You can't just have all stuff from all over the world, whatever people like. You have to have, a certain percentage of it has to be Canadian. And so under the guise of that, but really it's Trudeau trying to enforce censorship on podcasts.
Because they always do it in the cover and. Every.
Dangerous.
Freedom censoring group does it under this idea of they're doing it for the greater good. Yes. You know, it's like whether it's diversity, equity and inclusion, or it's making sure that, um, pro, not disinformation or misinformation is, is being populated within the masses. It's, it's always through this veil of no, no, it's for your benefit, but you pull the veil back a little bit and you, it's, it's just censorship.
It's just control.
Yeah. They're, they're just trying to manipulate what information's, uh, available for people to, to try to base their opinions off.
Have you ever seen that video of Trudeau from like 10 years ago? I mean, it might've been for more, might've been like 2010.. And he's talking about how he's opposed to, you got coffee in there? Yeah. Salute, my friend.
Cheers. Um, he's opposed to regulations with guns because he's like, regulations are the first step that they take. And the ultimate goal is to remove your gun. So we will not have regulations. Like he's talking about this, like in 2010 or 2011..
Yeah. Well, I mean, he was following a playbook, so he absolutely didn't believe that, though. Cause he knew that in, you know, within a decade he would be trying to confiscate every single gun that he could get his hands on and make transfer of pistols illegal, which is illegal. It's illegal. If I have a pistol and I want to sell you a pistol, I cannot.
That's it.
So wild. It's so wild. How quick it changed over there. They use COVID to just enforce these sweeping legislations across all sectors. They don't have a free speech.
They don't have a first amendment over there. So they have hate speech laws, which could be interpreted so vaguely. And this is what Jordan Peterson was rallying against. Like back, when they had this bill that was set up to make people use someone's gender identity. And he was like, what, what, what gender identity you're talking about?
There's 78 current gender identities that someone can choose to identify with, including just complete nonsense, made up words. And it's going to keep going. I don't know how many of them there are now, but he was like, the only way you enforce this is with, you're going to have to use force. And it's like the rule of law. Now.
it's like, you're going to send armed thugs to arrest people for not using made up words. Like. this is where this goes, especially Peterson, who knows so much about communism and so much about where the, the darkness that it leads down to.
I love that. He approaches it both from like a philosophical perspective and a historical perspective. You know, he, he is so well versed and knowledgeable and, and Kate, the, the argument that they're making from this position, this is where it leads to. And not only do we understand this in human nature, and here's a bunch of examples of it, but then also historically, here's a bunch of examples of it. So it makes it really hard to dispute what, what is really logical and rational.
And okay, if you're here and they want to go from point A to point B, this is the process for them to get there. And you're like, yeah, another brilliant man that does a lot of good.
Well, you need a guy like him, who has such a deep understanding of history and also is a clinical psychologist who understands the human mind. Very, very deep level. So he can explain things in a way that is almost impossible to refute. Like he, he's got all his bases covered when he had discussed the subject and he can fucking pull it off of his head. The guy uses no notes and he just will quote things and explain things in the most complex manner and make it pal, make it absorbable to everybody.
Yeah.
He and I are, we're, we're in a parallel fight right now on the education side. You know, I have Apogee, which is, I have a physical school here, and we have online mentorship, and we're launching an additional 50 schools this year, started a big, huge foundation, the Apogee foundation, all to just to try to turn this public school problem on its ear, as we've indoctrinated this entire generation to hate America. And, you know, we're, we're in a really scary position. Military is having recruiting issues. You know, we're having identity problems in every imaginable way with this, you know, and Gen Z and millennials just not knowing what their purpose is.
And when you look at the public school system and department of education, it's just a broken system. Teachers are great. Most of them on majority, I think have a real pure heart to do good, but they're in a system that is forcing them or they're allowing to manipulate kids, to radicalize them into, into really anti-American ideas. And something has to change because the concurrent trajectory, we're screwed. You know, the,
the lack of individual responsibility. And, as Jocko would say, extreme ownership of what the issues are and how to solve them are, are absolutely absent. You know, we have entitlement, we have, you know, accepting these identities. We have obviously this mental health crisis, and all of it really goes back. When you look at the pandering that is happening in public schools for eight hours in a day, it's like, there's no way that you could come out of that process, not being jacked up.
Right. You're going to get. some of it's going to leak into your brain, no matter how much your parents talk to you, or no matter how much you have your own ideas about life. There's a certain amount that people just absorb from their atmosphere and accept. There's a certain amount of it that people just accept.
And it's so manipulative when, you know, a third grade teacher is assigning you a project of, okay, you are a Palestinian freedom fighter here in the United States. What are some ways that you can help the Palestinians in Gaza be free? Like that is your assignment. Give me five examples, or even better. You'll get five points extracurricular for extracurricular activities, where you went and did something to help at a Palestinian protest or pro-Palestinian.
And it's just like, you've effectively radicalized a kid into a freedom fighter with one assignment. Like they have no choice, but to participate if they want to receive a good grade. That was on the news yesterday. That exact situation was happening and it's detestable.
It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre that people don't see where this goes. They don't see the end of it. And it's not to say that the plight of the innocent Palestinians is not a fucking terrible situation to be in. If you're stuck in Gaza under the rule of Hamas, and then you have Israel just like detained, keeps everybody detained in this one area.
It's not good for them either.
2.4 million people in the size of, in an area, the side of Washington DC. And I like to use the word stuck because they are, you know, we have 240 hostages that are in Gaza, like legitimate Israeli, American, Brazilian, from almost every single nation. There's hostages in Gaza currently from October 7th. But the 2.4 million people, the Palestinians that live in Gaza, they are being held hostage by 30 to 40,000 radical Hamas. And about seven other radical organizations that are terrorist organizations.
So your word stuck could not be more accurate. There are great, peaceful, wonderful Muslims in Gaza that voted in a terrorist organization. When the PLO and Hamas were trying to figure out who is actually going to be the ruling party of the Palestinian people, Hamas won out. And now they are the size of a cartel being funded. Seven, $70 million a year from Iran is being pumped into Hamas.
And all they're doing is taking every little bit of humanitarian aid and converting it into military resources. And those poor people, those poor Palestinians, are trapped in between all of this. It's, it's wild. It's such a complex problem that is, is solvable. But like, it's heartbreaking.
When you look at the individual level of the kids that are there and the women that are there and the civilians that are there are literally trapped, as you said, stuck. And how do you, if you're Israel, how do you fix it? If you're Palestinian, how do you fix it? When it's so evident that Hamas wants one thing, which is the elimination and genocide of all Jews.
And are there any Muslim countries that are accepting Palestinian refugees?
No, they never have.
That seems insane, because there's all this support for the Palestinians. If you're Islamic, if you're a Muslim and you want to support these Muslims, wouldn't you, wouldn't you support the idea that your country, this Muslim country, would accept those people and they could be in a place where they could be free.
Yeah. 22 Arab nations, over 40 Muslim nations internationally, right? There's one Jew nation. And that one Jew nation, Israel, has done more for the Palestinian people than any other nation ever. So it's, it's ludicrous and it's insulting to the Palestinian people to start throwing stones at Israel when in fact they're the only group that has been trying to protect and in any administrative way, provide food, water, and resources to the people that are there.
Over 40 Muslim countries. Not one of them is accepting any Palestinian refugees.
What is the answer to that? Like why?
They're a problem, that is, with the, with the radicals that are embedded inside of them. How did you do, how do you differentiate between who is a peaceful Muslim Palestinian to who is a radical that is working for Hamas? Like, how do you do that?
Right. So, as I'm getting evacuation requests two weeks ago and we're trying to be good, proper, judicious servants, uh, how do I know that this name of this person is not trying to fill out an evacuation form to be assisted to move from an area that they're currently denied in, uh, where their area is, their area of movement is restricted for any other reasons besides that they need help. Like it's a really hard, multiple levels of truth to try to peel back, to figure out who some of these people are and what their intentions are. And it's been that way for a really long time. If you go all the way back to, like 1987, when Hamas really started moving and fighting with the PLO for control that era, you know, when Yasser Arafat was meeting with Clinton and the prime minister of Israel, and they're making negotiations in Oslo and all the way up to, you know, the first Intifada to the second Intifada, to then all suicide attacks, pizzerias blowing up.
Like how do you determine who is good and who's bad? It's, do they have a suicide vest? Do they not? Or like, what are their intentions? It's, it's wildly hard.
You have been involved just in the last few years, in two of the most heartbreaking scenes that we've seen depicted in the media. The botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, you leave that. And now you just got back from Israel. Yeah. I mean,
I'm over what's happened in the past three years. There's actually four consecutive. So the day I got back from Afghanistan, because I went from Afghanistan to Albania and Brazil and Italy and Greece to try to have them take refugees. So my post Afghanistan work lasted a few more weeks. Cause there were a lot of Afghan refugees and non-American citizens that weren't even Afghanis that we had to figure out where we're going to put.
So that carried off, you know, the attack happened September 26 where, or August 26,, where the bomb at Abbey gate went off and the American service members were killed. And, you know, we, we left a few days later, two weeks later, we're now into mid September. I come back and I immediately, the day I land, I get assigned to go down to the Mexican border. And I spent six months on the Mexican border on operation lone star, part of a special operation task force, combating cartels, traffickers, human traffickers, drug smugglers. So there was a humanitarian crisis number two in my life in three years, which was the Mexican border.
Though some of the worst stuff I've ever seen in my life on par with Afghanistan, on par with what was the next one, which was Ukraine. The day I got off orders, where I was legally allowed to travel, or I was not. So when you're on orders, you have to do what the army says, right? And the army said, this is what you're going to do. So for six months, I was on this assignment at the border.
The day I got off those orders, I'm back to a civilian, Tim Kennedy. So then I traveled to Ukraine. I worked Ukraine for a few months during that conflict and post invasion,
which was again, horrible. Like some of the worst stuff I've ever seen come back, and I get this like momentary lull where I was like, I think, like Israel, this is going to be okay. And then this happens, you know, then October seven happens. And it was just in three years for this level of, horror to happen. is it's indescribable.
It seems like it's ramping up.
It is.
Well, so you're saying that the experience that you had at the border was as bad as anything.
Oh yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, this is, I'm not going to, you're not going to give me, I'm just going to take a sip here.
So we're in Afghanistan, right? Babies are stuck in Constantino wire.
Taliban is executing civilians in the street to try to prompt Americans to, to do a response. It's trying to elicit some escalation, right? They're really just flexing to show that they were in charge. So that's Afghanistan on the ground, burnt babies, you know, as I'm going out to try and find Americans or our allies that are out in the city of Kabul to bring them into H Kaya. And you're stepping over like small burnt babies.
Like it's the worst thing ever. fast forward, three weeks where the Del Rio river, and there are 400 immigrants trying to cross the river. They have babies up on their shoulders and the coyotes, the traffickers, every single person that's in the river has paid the cartels to be escorted across the border. Well, concurrently, the cartels about to smuggle 500 meters up the river, two dudes with bundles of fentanyl on their back. So I'm dealing with this gigantic humanitarian problem of a few hundred people at night, trying to cross a dark, cold flowing water with babies on their shoulders.
And what do the coyotes do? The moment that they start getting close to the shore, they just grab the kids down to the drink, down to the water. Babies are floating. Little children are screaming. Why would they do this?
Because I have to spend resources of my personnel to flood, to try to save these, these immigrants, from drowning in the river. And I have to throw a ton of resources and people at them to try and save them. So they don't die in the river at the exact same time. The resources that I have to use, personnel wise here, they're getting guys successfully onto the shore with bags full of fentanyl as they run into the inland, into the interior. And they know exactly what they're doing.
They're making money by moving people, while they're concurrently making money, smuggling drugs and throwing. humanitarian crisis is at us so that they can move drugs simultaneously. And, uh, that's hard for people that are trying to do good. How do you choose which problem to attack? We had a service member that dived into the water to try to, to save a baby and he drowned.
We took us a week to find his body. A Texas national guardsman dove in there to try to find a baby that had got pushed off and he drowned trying to save her.
Is it a matter of resources? Is there not enough resources being put into, well, obviously, this whole thing reeks of, it's so terrible to say, but it seems like this is a concentrated effort, and not just from the cartel. It seems like this is something that's being allowed to happen.
The benefits of. there's lots of, I mean, that's a hard question, right? Um, Texas has a way different position than the federal government as to the immigration problem, and their approach are almost in conflict. So when you get to like the real bad actors with, you know,
sexual trafficking, cartel members, um, drug smugglers, weapon smugglers, you know, of course you're going to see federal assets being leveraged to attack those problem sets. But the large humanitarian problem, um, the federal government is going to have a way different approach compared to the Texas government. The Texas government is like, no, this is a legal immigration. We have lawful ports of entry. You have to legally come into the United States through a legal port of entry.
And then, once you were here, we will process you in accordance with what the department of state says, the immigration process is, because there's a rule and we're a country of laws. So you have to follow the law. Anything else is illegal. Um, the, the other side of that coin is the federal approach, which is anybody that makes across the border, you are now here and we're going to process you. Um, which is insanity.
Why do they do that?
Um, I,
do you think they're trying to bring in voters?
Yeah. Yeah. Um, it grows the government. Uh, it's, it's more entitled people that you have to pay, more entitlement programs that you have to pay to support, you know, those people are immediately shipped into the interior. Uh, I, I find it comical, and I know people think it's not appropriate for the Texas government.
They've been shipping immigrants to some of these sanctuary cities, that, they have said that their sanctuary cities until they've actually received a lot of immigrants. And they're like, Oh my God, we can't handle this number of immigrants. And it's like 1% of what comes over the border. Every single day here in Texas that we have to deal with all the time, that the Yankees, those North, they have no idea what it's like to be a border state and the, the amount, just the tens and hundreds of thousands of people that are coming across every single day. It's, it's, it is, uh, it's criminal that they're allowing it.
And when did it start? When did it ramp up like this? This was never three years ago, three years ago. Oh, Jesus Christ.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Trump put some pretty powerful laws in place and empowered the federal immigration laws for us at the border to have lots of tools to one, turn somebody away. Um, if you're coming across and you're claiming asylum, well, you have to go back to your country of origin or you have to go to the country that you're trying to cross from. And that is where you're going to have your asylum, uh, process be determined.
Um, you're not going to come in and we're not going to like, allow you to go to San Diego and get to hang out in San Diego and tour your court date, uh, which is currently happening right now. Right. You make it across, where are you going? I'm going to San Diego. All right.
Show up for your immigration court date and, and you know, a year and a half from now.
And everybody knows this so that people are just coming across flooding. It's so wild to watch those videos of just enormous miles long lines of people,
military age men.
Um,
you know, that it's, it's so heartbreaking. The men and women, you know, border patrol, um, and department of public safety, the Texas national guardsmen that they're, that are working the border. They're so incredible, selfless, hardworking, um, like love America and also love people. You know, they're, they're putting their lives on the line every single day to try to protect these immigrants, but also try to protect the law. And the rule of law.
And that's a really hard thing to, to reconcile. is what is the humane thing to do? And is that an alignment with what is the just thing to do? That's that's hard.
They're amazing. And then, once people are here and they cross over, there's not a real screening process in terms of like, who's a criminal, what, what your history is in your country of origin.
Yeah. You want to get a weird Google thing. Google, how many known people on the terror watch list have made it across? and, uh, it'll scare the crap out of you. So, department of Homeland security and the FBI, you know, we have this, these gigantic lists of people that are on terror watch lists, criminal watch lists.
And the number of those that we have captured at the border, obviously, is just going to be a drop in a bucket of those that have made it across. And, um, you know, it is. In light of what just happened in Israel, where, you know, they flew paragliders over borders, over walls, and they, they crashed through walls, and then they were able to kill 1400 people in one day. And then you look at the number, and that was, that was, a thousand insurgents total. Um, and then you look at the number of people that have been coming over the border for the past three years, that we know are radicalized, that we know are on watch lists.
Um, it is, uh, it is, it should scare the pants, like to scare the, scare you to death. The position that we're at, we're going to have a real bad year.
God damn it.
Yeah.
Department of Homeland, uh, security and the FBI. yesterday, they talked about a bunch of known terrorist cells that are currently not operating. They are operating, but they're, they are looking for opportunities, targets of opportunity, to conduct terrorist activities here in the United States. Department of Homeland or a department of state just released an entire worldwide warning to all America's traveling abroad, saying that it is dangerous for any American to be traveling anywhere in the world right now with the amount of terrorists cells that have now been activated.
Yeah.
Fuck.
Yeah. So if you're in the, the steps program, I think it's a department of state, S, T, E, P, smart traveler, something program that you get notifications. If you travel abroad, you should enroll in the steps program. But what happens is today you would have gotten an email saying, if you're going to be traveling to every single country, that you had enrolled in steps, that you're going to be overseas in, you would have gotten an email from them warning you not to go there, because it's dangerous. So if, if you're enrolled in like five different countries for steps, you would have got five emails today being like, Hey bro, don't go there.
Yeah, there we go. Yeah.
Worldwide caution. due to increased tensions of various locations around the world, the potential for terrorist attacks, demonstrations and violent actions against us citizens and interest. The department of state advises us citizens overseas to exercise increased caution. Us citizens should stay alert in locations frequented by tourists and roll in smart travel enrollment program to receive information alerts, to make it easier to locate you in an emergency overseas, follow the department of state on Facebook and Twitter and visit travel.state.gov.
Yeah. This, this crisis intake form and the flights out of Ben Gurion, that is so save our allies, the NGO that I was in Afghanistan for, the NGO that I was in Ukraine for, and the NGO that I was just recently in Israel for department of state. Um, you know, they're an easy target to throw darts at sometimes, uh, but they really do do great for the American people. Um, but there's always these gaps that like, so flat of. you're an American in Israel, right?
You're a 75 year old pastor that wants to go and walk where Jesus walked. You know, Israel is just such a beautiful place where, you know, there's two and a half million or two and a half billion Christians in the world. There's 1.9 billion Muslims in the world. Um, there, there's almost 20 million Jews in this world. And guess where they're one place that they think to be the holies of holies.
are that's right in Israel, right? Like it is, it is the place for the largest religions in the world to all celebrate. So you're a pastor and you want to go to the Jordan river, because that's where Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. Um, you are a Muslim and you want to go, to the dome. You want the dome on the rock.
You want to go to, um, the mosque that they're calling. the reason for attacking Israel was because they thought it was going to be destroyed, which it never will be. It's protected by Israel. Um, whatever your motivation was, you get there, you're an American. And then this attack happens.
American cancels your flight. United cancels your flight. Um, every single airline cancels your flight. And the only airline left is the Israeli airline. You're wherever you are in Israel.
Maybe you're on the Jordan river. Maybe you're up North in the Haifa. Maybe you're like way down South in a lot, because you wanted to see the border of Egypt. and this, you know, you're the Gulf of Aqaba. It's like the most beautiful water that connects to, uh, the, the red sea.
And you're an American tourist. You don't have the, the, the wherewithal of knowing how to travel in, in a, the middle of a war. And now you're getting a thing from department of state that says you have to go to Tel Aviv and connect with us and fill out this crisis intake form for us to be able to help you get out from where you are as an American citizen, to where you need to be to get out of this country where 1400 people are being raped, murdered, burnt alive, tortured. There's people being kidnapped and hostages being taken. And, like, you're just an American that's now stuck here.
And every single airline has canceled your flight. No matter how many times you've booked it. Maybe you've, we had this guy had booked five new flights and every single one of those flights had been charged on his credit card. And so then his credit card is frozen because he's just booked five next day flights at, you know, three, $4,000 a piece. And, you know, he's on heart medication.
Maybe he's on insulin, whatever the individual, we helped for almost 400 people get out of Israel, but the department of state, as amazing as there are, there's these little gaps that somebody has to go and help them with. That's comfortable moving in the middle of a war. And that's, that's really where several allies comes in is because we go and fill that gap. Like, how do I find this guy in this hotel? That is too scared to leave.
Doesn't know how to get a bus. Doesn't know how to get a taxi. Doesn't know how to his tourist information or his tourist guide is like, Hey, bro, I'm out. I'm going to go down because my kibbutz just got murdered. I'm going to go help my family that, you know, they're missing three of their family members.
Of course, they're going to go and help. But now that guy is stuck, that his family stuck, that pastor stuck. So we had to go and find those people and move them to a place where they could get out of the country safely. And it was frigging hard. The volume of that is like wild.
We had, we took this rad, two pastors. They're from California. And we had a similar situation. They'd booked multiple flights. They had an old pastor with them.
You know, they didn't have the maneuverability of, of being able to pivot with whatever existing flights. Ultimately, we had to drive them from where they were to Haifa to put them on a private chartered airplane, to fly them from Haifa to Cyprus, where they could then fly from there to Athens and get home. Like we had privately sourced an airplane to fly them out of a place to get them to a place that they could fly out of because all other aircraft had been grounded. Uh, so that two pastors could make it back to their churches in California. You know, they're literally stuck.
So yeah,
crazy.
How do you fucking manage your mind dealing with so many horrific and traumatic experiences over and over and over again, just over a few years.
So my dad just asked me, but he asked me like way more pointed. He's like, are you okay? Are you okay, or are you going to die too soon? Yeah.
I would be asking that too. If I was your dad.
Um, do you remember, Mr. Rogers?
Yes. Yeah, sure. Yeah.
Um, he was asked a real similar question, and it was during the civil rights protests, where blacks are being beaten in the street, you know, and, um, hippies are being condemned as like the next plague and pestilence that society could ever see. And, um, like, what would you do with all of this evil happening around us? And Mr. Rogers says, just look to the helpers. There's always people trying to help.
And, um, you know, I'm thinking about the ground team that I had with me over there. I can't even say their names, because they're, they're amazing people, but we had JP, RT, Primo,
and the most brilliant from the expeditionary special operations backgrounds, but the most selfless, hardworking, they're, they're, they're giants of humans. Like I look at them just in awe of how capable they are and how selfless they are. at the same time. Like these are the most lethal humans on the planet, and I could kill you a thousand different ways, but they're putting their lives on the line to try and rescue a pastor that can't book a flight. Um, you know, like Israel would do anything to have one of these guys go with them and advise them about how to get into this show.
That is, Gaza, into the tunnels that are controlled by Hamas. And what are we going to do with Hezbollah at the Northern border? How are we going to stop Taliban? That just got permission to cross through Iraq. What are we going to do with Al Qaeda?
That just bribed a whole bunch more people to fly them into every single neighboring country. Like, but instead they're just trying to rescue people. So to ask, ask your question, when I'm down at the border, I just looked at my left on my right and I see a freaking private. that's three o'clock in the morning. He's sitting there with night vision.
And he's like, that kid just fell in the water. Motherfuckers. off. He's off. He's running down into the darkness to jump in the water, to try and save a kid.
Like, if you cannot find inspiration from that, and if you cannot find something that's going to nurture and feed your soul and inspire you to do something good for the people around you. And look at the guys that I had with me in Israel. Like I can't. even, the group of people that I had with me in Ukraine, like, I'm just astounded by these. And you know, you know, a whole bunch of them too, that are just amazing people.
I've been so blessed to have, you know, a short, but successful fighting career, a successful military career, that, that then went into a period of like, successful business. And now I'm in a position where, like, man, I really want to do good. And there's all these things that I know are, people are really hurting in, or they can't do. And I have experienced in a background and connections that I'm able to solve these problems. I did so much evil.
I dealt so much death. And if I didn't try to do good now, like I think I would really have a problem,
but I'm good because I'm doing good. There's something about that doing good for other people. Like when you're hurting, I don't think there's anything more important that you could do than do something for somebody else. And that man, that just empowers you and it gives you purpose. And if I'm ever going to think about,
should I get up and work out today? Well, I can think about August 24th, 2021.. When I had two kids in my arms and a, and a woman behind me, and we're having to run through Kabul to try to make it to each Kyle while we're being chased by the Taliban. Cool. I want to be in good shape, bro.
You know, Yeah.
Find people doing good. You know, as Mr. Roger said, look to the people that are helping and man,
I'm good. Just keep your eyes on the good. Yeah. That's amazing that you're able to manage your mind through all this, because I know a lot of lesser men would be destroyed by one of these.
experiences.
And for you to have four of them concurrent over three years,
that is a lot.
It's a lot to hand.
I would, I would really like, maybe in the next election cycle, us to look at the past three years and, and maybe I'm not ready for another four, four years of this. You know, I don't think our organization could take it. I think the, the Rolodex of people that want to do good with, I can only ask somebody to go into a worn, torn country to try to save American so many times.
Well, unfortunately, we've also demonized first responders and, and people that are in the military and demonize people that are police officers and border officers. And this is short sighted, ridiculous approach for political purposes is just so fucking infuriating. And it's so weird that more people don't understand that. more people don't see it that way. Yeah.
The propaganda machine is, is a powerful thing right now and I don't know how to fight it. You know, they have successfully demonized law enforcement,
you know, border patrol. You know, they take a photo of a guy riding on a horse, and a horse is the best thing you can possibly have on the border. If you've been to the Mexican border, it is like, it's magic. I mean, you, you, you hunt off horseback ever?
No. Oh, dude,
it's the best. Even like Southwest, Texas, you're going elk hunting or, like, you're going to go bear hunting. You're going to go cat hunting. And you think you're going to get up, you know, through, in and around big bend on anything but a horse. You're crazy.
Like you, better be on a horse. Um, and, uh, you know, there's one photo of a guy with his reins in his hand. Yeah. And you know, they, they're like, this border patrol guy is whipping. That's not what's happening.
He was using his horse to block people, to prevent them from putting their lives in danger by getting into this flowing river. That's what he was doing. And, uh, and if they make it into the interior, like it's a complete, the number of people that die from exposure, once they make it across into the United States, but then they try to cross, um, like, let's, let's say, they came through big bend. Um, do you know how big that place is?
It's fucking, crazy. Huge.
You know, we're, we're hunting in and around there and I'll come across a couple of immigrants, and they are, I mean, one, we find dead bodies all the time on ranches of immigrants that just die from exposures.
A friend of mine found one, he has a ranch in South Texas.
All the time.
Really recently. Yeah.
And these guys, these men and women on the border are trying to protect them. You know, similarly in the propaganda vein,
this pro Hamas, I just, it's, we, you know, we were texting before we came on here, like how fast things pivot, um, the rational understanding of a problem. And how perverted it is from truth.
Don't know how to fight this. This isn't, this is a unique problem.
It's very unique. And it's very strange. It's very strange to see massive protests on the streets. They're yelling out in support of the people that did that on October 7th. And there was a professor recently that said he was elated when that happened.
Yeah. And he was just suspended, which is crazy. That it's only that, but the fact that there's so people that are so fucking detached from reality and they have this very strange leftist, Marxist philosophy that is so untenable with the reality of the world. And yet they're teaching kids this. And then they're talking about this openly, openly in public forums, openly in social media, openly in, in, in, in protests.
It's fucking strange. It's so strange that people don't understand. It's so dangerous. And for young people that admire those people or that are being taught by those people and don't know any better, when that person's in a position of power and influence, because they're discussing these things in classrooms or discussing these things on, on social media. It's, I just don't understand it.
I'm so confused. I never thought things would deteriorate this rapidly.
When you, I'm, I'm disappointed, but I'm not confused. when you know the powers and the money that is being spent to try to destabilize America. When you look at our enemies, when you're looking at China, when you're looking at Russia, when you look in Iran and the hundreds of millions of dollars, they're spending in misinformation and disinformation, where they are perpetuating things that we 100% know to be not true, not factual, but they are very effectively. I mean, it's, it's a, it's unnerving. Joseph Goebbels, the propaganda minister for Hitler, you know, he had a playbook about how to spend truth and how to manipulate masses.
You know, how, how could you take what is a great, cool culture like the Germans were post World War one, as they're trying to find their identity and they're trying to bounce back from a horrific war. And then, you know, by the mid thirties and late thirties, you know, they're, they're positioning to throw Jews into ghettos and then ultimately gas, 6 million of them. How can that happen so fast? And you very quickly realized that it was an effective propaganda misinformation campaign where they were able to dehumanize and segregate certain aspects or ideas, and then attach a name to those things and a face to those things and a people to those things. You know, we saw it here during COVID, the unvaccinated and it happened fast.
It happened in months. And the same way that police were demonized during the defund law enforcement and BLM movement. Now we know to be a complete hoax, a bunch of liars that manipulated truth and data and what really happened. And are there injustices? Absolutely.
Are we a perfect nation? Totally not. Is law enforcement perfect? No, for sure. But by and large, the vast majority do want to do good.
Like it says, protect and serve. And that's what they raised their hand to do. But they're just, they're being destroyed by this misinformation campaign.
And Russia and China want it. You know, they, they want us to be fighting each other. They want pro Palestinian protests. They want pro Hamas protests. They want from the, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
That is a call for genocide. They're calling for. So the river, the Jordan river, which is on the east side of all of Israel, the sea, the Mediterranean, in between those two things is where Israel lies. 7.4 million Jews. They want that to not exist.
They want no Jews to be there. So every time that you hear from the river to the sea, it is a call for genocide or an expulsion of all Jews out of Israel. And that is the call of Hamas. And guess who's paying for that thing to be seen on Cornell and in Harvard. And in every, that's right.
The Russia and China, they're being manipulated by a bunch of our enemies as they're trying to destabilize us in a region. And here in the United States.
And it's a vulnerability of our, that we have because of our freedom.
Yeah.
Yeah. But man, I love freedom.
I love it. I do. That's why I'm here. That's why I moved here.
I love the way that freedom would work. Was that there was an educated, empowered citizen that was individually responsible for themselves and their family. And they were in a position of authority over the government. That's how that document worked. Our beautiful Bill of Rights and the Constitution was because of the power of the people.
And over the past 50, 60 years, our people have become fat, gelatinous, complacent, uneducated, subscribed to propaganda, radicals. Aligned with agendas that are not pro-America. And in the course of this time, it makes that document have no teeth, right? There's nothing behind it, because the government used to be scared of the people. because the people, when, you know, we decided to throw some tea in a harbor and the shot heard around the world.
We went, the people that we went after, the people that were attacking us and that were controlling us. And we killed them and we pushed them off this land. And then we rent. Then we wrote these founding documents. that said, the individual is going to maintain the power.
The people are going to have the power. But the only way that works is if the people have power, and we've let that go. Bit by bit, diet by diet, day by day, lack of exercising of our, of our God given rights. We are now just soft. That was one of the reasons when I was kicking around with you, like, hey, am I going to, do we really want to talk about this?
This is tough. Like. I've 25 pages of notes here about the Middle East conflict, but ultimately I'm scared that that can happen here, because we are so vulnerable right now as people. And it's the reason that sheepdog response exists. My company is to train the American individual to take their own security, to preserve and protect human life and be able to provide for the family.
That's the mission statement. But right now, I don't know what percentage Americans are capable of doing that.
It's a very small number.
Very small. Yeah.
Frighteningly small. And that is being, it's being discussed as if, somehow or another, that small number is a strength that we are, in somehow or another, a more kind and a more equitable nation, because people are so soft, because people are, so it's just, it's, I don't know how you have those two. How do you have such freedom that allows people to have these protests, that allows people to have these differing perspectives and to speak about it openly and publicly, but yet still maintain the strength of the union, when you have all these external factors, all of these different countries and different organizations that are working to try to use propaganda and use money to destroy us? Because that's really what's happening. And that's like, that used to be.
like, if you said there's people out there that are trying to destroy America, oh, you're some crazy right wing, fucking, all right. Well, God damn it. How much information do you have to see? How much, how much truth do you have to see that you cannot deny?
Russian interference into the election.
Yeah.
Bold face lie. You know, they weren't interfering. They're perpetuating that they were interfering, but they weren't interfering. Really? That Trump was being influenced by,
but that he was a Russian agent. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, guess who was pushing that story? The Russians and China, because it destabilized our election process. So your question is, how do you reconcile having such freedoms where somebody can go and say something so detestable, like praising a group of people that went and raped and murdered, 1400 people that currently have 240 hostages? Like, that's what Hamas has. You know, there's 30, 40,000 Hamas operatives within Gaza.
They have a ton of hot, like how, how can somebody have so much freedom to say that? Well, it's, if the people are prepared to be able to protect and preserve and provide, then if you're in a position of authority, sovereignty, it's this, it's, it's this next step past freedom. Sovereignty is what I want for me. It's what I want for every American. It's that they are in control of themselves.
An external force comes and says, Tim, I want you to take this experimental thing and give it to your child and inject it into them. Please. I say, no, no, I don't need whatever it is you're about to withhold from me because I don't do this thing. I don't need because I can do it myself. That's sovereignty, right?
I don't need you to come and try and protect my family because I can protect my family, you know, come and try and mess with them because, like my family, is unattainable to anybody else. They're completely protected. education. The reason I started these schools is because I do not want anyone else to have influence over the way that my children are gonna learn how to be critical thinkers. I want them to be educated.
I want to be powerful. I want them to be cognitive and every single debatable subject to have the Socratic mind where they can sit and debate. somebody like you, with immense knowledge, on all these variety of topics. But then, man, they're fierce. That's sovereignty.
We have for so long, just given away every little bit of it, whether it was post 9-11 or during COVID, or after the next active shooter, you know, like in light of what just happened in Maine, you know, they're going to be coming after. They're going to be looking for more laws to try and control more of the Second Amendment and limit the freedoms that we have. So we know that, but we have to maintain this essence, that is, being American, which is the sovereignty, the individual responsibility that I am in charge of me.
And what's infuriating to me about these mass shootings and Matt Walsh did a piece about this recently where he discussed the prevalence of psychoactive drugs, the prevalence of psychiatric medications among school shooters, amongst mass shooters, that it is fucking off the charts. And they try to hide that. They try to hide that data by using gang violence as mass shootings. And they use like, well, there's no data to support that. All that is like, no, no, no, that's not true at all.
There's a giant difference between gang violence, mass shootings, which occur all the time, which are also is something that no one's trying to fix. And then the, the actual people that strap themselves up and go into places where people are unarmed and just slaughter people. Almost all of them are on something. They're almost all of them. They're on SSRIs.
Almost all of them are on some sort of anti-anxiety medication. Almost all of them are on something and that we don't address that. It's not even talked about that. It's like fucking Voldemort.
Not talked about Voldemort. Yeah.
Whatever it is. You're not supposed to say the name. I mean, it's like, it's very strange that this is never discussed on television.
You said you can't research it. It, when you say it's buried, that data, if you were like how many active shooters were on a antidepressant, a, anything that all of that data is buried with, well, then it pops up. Well, in Chicago, in, in Southern California, in, it's buried in truth. So trying to find the real data of these active shooters in schools, like this guy that in, in Maine, you know, known mental health problems.
Yes.
And he actually tried to buy a suppressor and failed trying to buy the suppressor because he self elected. He told them that he had just recently got out of a mental institution. So, like, kudos to them. I'm part of this, this group called double check. That's trying to figure out ways to identify outliers like this, where people have information.
They wrote their manifesto of like, Hey, I'm going to go murder a bunch of people. You know, these, I'm going to go to this black church and kill everybody. A lot of times that information is available that,
and as I love the second amendment, every single person should be able to have a tank and a machine gun, in my opinion. But when somebody is dealing with mental health problems, they are on a bunch of drugs. They are actively trying to hurt people. You know, like maybe there's a restraining order. They're a multi-time felon.
Should that guy be able to go in and buy? Well, clearly that guy right there. Was stopped from getting a tool to maybe even hurt more people by just, and it's a small business owner. It is my choice who I'm going to sell to and who I'm going to, to. who I'm going to choose to sell a product to.
And if that product is a thing like ultimate, the individual responsibility is as an entrepreneur and a small business owner is like, it is my choice who I, who sell this to. And that guy comes in and he says that he's on drugs and he just got out of a mental health hospital. Like man, you could go buy your suppressor somewhere else. Like that guy in Maine just, just went through it. So double check is trying to infuse themselves in a really helpful, helpful way to protect people like me that own a gun store, where, if that guy walks into my door, I can have real data to point to him.
So, like, I do a little search. It pops up as like, Hey man, you just wrote that you want to go shoot up a school. Can we talk about that before I sell you a gun? You know, you said that you, you hate black people and that you think that they all should die. Or like that guy in Harvard square yesterday, that was walking around saying that every Jew should have their next slit.
There should be no Jew businesses. There's like in Harvard square. Like if that guy walked into my gun store, I'm going to go to double check and be like, man, so you said some pretty outrageous things yesterday.
I think you need help. Let's let, let's go for a run. And let's go, get you some real help.
What, and what help do they even get? I mean, and also like how much help do they get in getting off of that shit? And is there a way to get off of that shit? If you are legitimately mentally ill and you're on a host of psychiatric medications, like what, what, what motivation do they have to even take you off of that shit?
I'm not a doctor. They don't have motivation because they don't make money when you're not taking drugs. Um,
it's fucking terrifying.
You also know the answer to this. So in,
in all of the things I've experienced in the past three years, like post-traumatic stress, any single one of those single days over the course of months upon months would be enough for me to be like, dude, I'm, I'm out of here. Right. Instead, definitely not on any drugs. Um, exercise every single day, cold plunge, hang out with my friends, do grappling, contribute in a meaningful way back to society. I have an amazing relationship with my beautiful wife.
I have incredible children that I'm so proud of. I'm active. I'm now like playing hockey with my son, as a 45 year old dude that just went to a yard sale to buy all the hockey stuff. So I can get out there and try to dunk on my eight year old who skates around me, making me look like an idiot. Um, I also got all my lacrosse stuff.
Um, I got tap shoes so I can start doing tap dancing with my four year old, you know, like these are the things that healthy people do.
Yeah.
Sitting on the couch, eating a bunch of shit, not going outside, not having any relationships, not having any community, not finding ways to give back to their community. Of course you're broken. So how do you get off the drugs? You start doing little, tiny little bits, 1% improvement every single day. And ultimately, like the sun is brighter.
Your wife is more beautiful. Your kids are just a little bit more rad, you know, and you're able to go do more good for more people.
But people don't have this guidance. And that's, what's crazy, that this, this truth that you're speaking, is not common. This is not something that people discuss. And the, if you would talk to a doctor, this is not something they recommend, but what they're trying to do is let's find the right medication for you, Tim. Yeah.
Let's, let's, uh, let's alter your stuff.
I just got chastised by my doctor. Um, you know, 45.. So I was going to go with the, the, is my gut and stuff healthy thing that you do at this age? And they're like, um, we haven't seen you in seven years. I'm like, I haven't been sick in seven years.
Last time I was, I was here. I partially tore my toe off and I needed you to like put my toe back on. Uh, it's like, what do I need you for? And they're like, well, you need us now because you, you have to have a letter for you to be able to go get this procedure. And I was like, well, I just don't want to get gut and like butthole cancer.
So I'd really like to go do these things, you know, but I have to come in and see you for you to like write a thing for me to go see these other people. And okay, I got it. I got it. Stupid.
Well, you know, they think they're doing the right thing, because this is what their mandate is. And this is what their, you know, their normal regimen is. when they discuss things with people. Like you should be seeing us all the time, Tim.
Nah,
no, no. Yeah. I don't get it. If you're healthy, what's beat, but be healthy and be healthy. Be actually healthy.
Like work at it.
Yeah. That discipline.
It seems so sad. And I pity the easy solution person where, like, I can take a pill and I'll feel better, or I can take a pill and I'll be less fat, or, like, I'll be sold on this idea that this media company is selling me that if I do this thing, I'm going to sleep better or, like my Dick's, going to work better with this thing.
I'll be happier. Yeah.
Like the other, the truth is that, I mean, you gotta work.
Yes. You gotta work.
You gotta get up early. You have to have calloused hands, you know, like, um, man, I love my wife and, and I love being able to have an amazing relationship with her. And that would not be possible if I didn't work at it. You know, I like being a freak physical thing in my middle forties. That would not be possible if I didn't work at it.
Right. I like being a successful business person. Um, that would not be possible. And I mean, like work, not like, oh man, I shot a selfie and like punched it in for the day, you know,
like actual work. Yeah.
Get up earlier than me.
Most people don't even have a frame of reference. There's so many people out there that don't know anybody who actually works like, works at it the way you do or the way many people do, that. We know the,
um, flying back from Israel, every one of those people in, in the kibbutz is all around Gaza and we're up and down them. Like they're no fat on their faces, you know, like striations on their shoulders. Like, these are just cops, or now reserve, recently activated people. I go in, in Tel Aviv. I'm not joking.
The entire time I was there, I saw two fat people the whole entire time. And I was like, I had to, I was, I was compelled. Hey, um, are you guys low? And they turn around and they're both American. Of course, both instances of like the only fat people.
And then I take a flight from Tel Aviv directly into New York. I landed in New York and I'm heading towards immigration and passport control. And I'm just like inundated with the fight, overweight, dangerously obese Americans. And I went, the stark contrast of a place that has been trying to fight for their existence since may of 1948, when every single neighboring country invaded them and tried to kill them, to, like the six day war, to then Yonkapur war. And then the first Intifada, to the second Intifada.
And now what just happened on October 7th, where they're just like under the stress of being capable and individually responsible for their safety. Clearly they failed on October 7th to then coming into New York. And I was like,
bro,
we are a mess.
We are a mess.
Yeah. We're a mess and our supermarkets are filled with poison. It's wild. It's like, there's something like 40% of the American diet is processed foods. It's insane.
It's insane. Like everything from every angle is weakening us. Everything.
I want everybody to get chickens.
I have chickens.
Of course you do. Chickens are a gateway to freedom.
They're a great way to free food.
Yeah, that they are.
You let them roam around. They make you eggs.
Just eat bugs. Yeah. You know, they scratch on the ground.
I always tell people that are vegans to get chickens. It's literally karma free food. You don't want to eat eggs because you don't believe in factory farming. Fantastic. Do you have enough room to have chickens?
Well, then you'll get real protein, animal protein. That's karma free. They lay those eggs every day. That's never going to become a chick.
And they're so happy to be living with you. Yeah. You know, my four year old like walks around with two chickens. Yeah. Half the day.
And she's like sitting there in her four wheeler and there's a chicken sitting next to her. Like the happiest, like my cat's cruising around. My cats love the chickens too. Because if you have, if you have chickens, there's a good chance you're going to have mice. And if you have mice, then you're going to have a really happy cat.
And, um, you know, like my, I have Belgian Malinois, and, you know, she comes in and she, just like, sits there, like, like she's the king of the roost, you know? And then one of the chickens comes over and reminds her that she's nothing, that the chickens are actually in charge of the yard. Um, but the amount of eggs that they come, but you know, when you get that first time that you crack an egg from one of your chickens and you're like, that looks different. And then you eat it. And you're like, dude, that tastes different,
a lot different, like way different, different.
It's like that dark, deep orange, like not yellow, not pale, like orange. Right. And it's like, you can taste the nutrient, micronutrient, riches of it. Um, and then you're like, well, if that is that different, how much different is all of the other things that I eat? Right.
And you start going down this wild journey, this, this rabbit trail of, of freedom.
And how much different am I?
Yeah.
You know, when you look at the difference between grain fed, fatty beef and an elk steak, you're like, okay, look at the difference in the meat. Look at the difference in the quality of the meat, the dark, rich nutrient, dense, protein, rich meat. Like what, what's the difference? Well, they're not eating any bullshit. Oh, they're eating, eating literally what they've eaten for hundreds of thousands of years.
And they have to work every day to, to find more of it. Yeah. The, the unhealthy bits. And this is a cruel thing about nature is the unhealthy animal dies.
Yes.
And the existing animals are the ones that we ultimately get to go and find that. And we are very careful about which ones we're killing and what season we're killing them in, to make sure that we are encouraging the same healthy herd. We get this most delicious, surviving, fantastic nutrient dense meat you can find on the planet. Yeah. And, uh, we have, um, this, this provider, we launched a,
a,
a learn to hunt school. It's, we teach you how to land navigate. We teach you the fundamentals of marksmanship. We teach you all basic, good, um,
laws around hunting, how to put in out of state for a lottery for,
this is a part of your school system.
We teach you at our school at sheepdog response. Okay. Um, it's called the provider course. at sheepdog response. We also teach it to the kids.
So, like the mentorship program at Apogee, those guys get to come to provider courses. Um, they learn how to skin an animal. They learn how to follow a blood trail. They learn how to field dress an animal. They learn the final culminating exercise.
You'll love this. So, after two days of, of just like inundated information, like here's, here's the healthy and natural way to, um, kill an animal. This is shot placement. This is, you know, you have to know how to shoot first. So we teach fundamentals of marksmanship, non-standard shooting positions.
Like how many times you get to lay down in the prone off bipods and shoot something that often in hunting, like, can I shoot off poles? Can I shoot off a tree kneeling, standing off hand? Um, if I'm, if I get a designated zone in Arizona or New Mexico, can I navigate from where I can park to where I have to go hunt without illegally trespassing on anybody's property? Like some, the barrier between I want to hunt and I can hunt is, is hard for some people. Yes.
And as we're sitting here talking about like how amazing it is to hunt. And it is the most amazing thing that I want everybody to do. That barrier of entry seems hard for some people.
It's very steep.
But it shouldn't be. And that's, that's the idea. Like, I want this for everybody. And the final day, we give you your lot. We give you your animal.
You have to navigate to that place. You then have to PID, like, positively identify the animal that you're supposed to shoot. And then you go to take a shot off it. Once you take a, once you take your shot off of it, we photograph how you're going to take that shot. Standing, kneeling sticks.
We measure the distance. You know, we, we lay, as you're, at 210 meters and then we go duplicate that on an actual shooting range on the same target. And, uh, and it's, it's so fun to see, like the full buck fever of somebody freaking out when they don't even have around in the chamber, they're just looking at a, you know, at a 3d target out at Reveley peak ranch and burn it. It is, it is such a joy to introduce, you know, every class. we have 40 people and every class is sold out.
And the end result at the end, at the end of three days, are like these people that are just like, they feel like they're going to explode with this excitement about what it means. Cause they now know that they can go and hunt.
Do you have a mind management program to deal with the moment of actually shooting?
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. You're familiar with Joel Turner's work, the shot IQ system. Yeah. Yeah.
Fantastic. Yeah, for sure. It changed everything for me and so many other people, including, like world-class archers and people that have been hunting for decades, that have dealt with target panic and don't understand what's actually going on between open loop and closed loop systems. that you could actually manage that with, with discipline and, and actually having a shot routine that you must go through every time you execute a shot changes everything.
I mean, hold on a second, Joe, are you telling me that discipline, process and repetition solve a problem? Yeah. Oh, my God.
I think so.
Mind blown.
I mean, it has for me.
It does for everybody. Like, what is the military's approach to literally every single thing? Right. That right. Like, what is your approach to not being fat?
It's that right. How, what is your approach to like trying to build a real critical thinker that is going to move into society as a contributing member of society? It is that.
And also understanding the factors that are in play, instead of just being like a prisoner of the moment and being captive by your emotions. And you know, these human systems that have existed forever, like having an understanding of what's going on, like, why am I freaking out? What, is there anything that I can do? How do I learn how to control my breathing? How do I learn how to mitigate stress?
How do I learn how to manage my mind in these critical moments?
Yeah. It's, um,
hunting is one of the very few things that, uh, still sparks that feeling of like elation and excitement and nervousness, but I still fall back to cool. I've disciplined, I've done the work. Um, I have a process that I'm now executing and I've put in the work for me to be able to be successful here. And then it's like success. Um, and that same discipline process, hard work, approach to, uh, people externally will look at save our allies in, in the middle of peak combat and a completely non-permissive environment.
And they're like, what the hell are you? What are you guys doing? And it's an incredible group of disciplined people that have a process that has been perfected over now 20 years at the global war on terror. And they are doing the work that, uh, that needs to be done. But those three things are still prevalent and evident.
And everything, everything difficult in all of life. Yeah. Yeah.
And it's, uh, but how, how do you get someone to subscribe to that?
I think they have to hear about it first. And that's one of the reasons why I think conversations like this are so important is because, in everyday life, if you're working in an office, if you're dealing with regular people, you're not going to encounter this. You're not going to encounter these conversations. And there's going to be moments that people have where they do panic and freak out and don't understand why, how come I can't keep my shit together when I'm nervous? How come I can't keep my shit together in these critical moments that require me to stay calm and make good choices?
What is wrong with me? What is, am I just a bitch? Like, what is it? No, you're, you just have an undisciplined mind. You have an untrained mind.
Yeah.
You haven't got the reps in.
You haven't got the reps in. Everyone needs the reps. Yeah. Yeah.
It's, um, I, as, as worried as I am about the future, uh, you know, uh, Apogee, and at Sheepdog Response and at Save Our Allies, and, uh, you know, the First Responders Action Group, like I'm, in all of these different groups where I see these young men and women that are on this train. And it, and, and I know I'm, I'm not in a cross section of the United States right now. That is really struggling with all of the problems of mental health and obesity and diet. But in this little group that I, that I'm around often, I'm just so encouraged by the work and the discipline and the subscription to the process. Like last night in my jujitsu school, I had 60 kids on our mat at one time.
And I said, Hey, parents, everybody come into the classroom really fast. We're going to have a Q and a session about competition and what this next season looks like. Every parent, parent, like, stood up, walked in there. They had questions like they didn't even know, but like they, they didn't know that we're going to be doing a Q and a, they had pre-prepared questions that they were looking for an opportunity to ask the staff about, like, okay, how is coaching going to be at the next tournament? And I was just like, I love you people, you know, like the parents to the Apogee families.
Cause we take a totally different approach. We're a whole family approach to education. Like, if you subscribe to this idea that you can take your kid and you can drop them off at a place and you're going to get this amazing thing back that you don't have any control about what they're being taught. You are just an idiot and you're a crazy person. Like you send your people to Caesar, you send your people to Rome and you don't think you're gonna get a Roman back.
Like that's, what's going to happen. Right.
So the way to put it,
our approach is, there's a whole family inclusion here. It is not just our responsibility to chain, to train and to educate your children. It is our responsibility. So you are going to work out. You're going to keep a journal of your diet.
Here is your prescribed reading list. Here are the books that your kids are going to be reading, that you're also going to be reading with them. Like, if your kid is reading it, then you better be reading it too. You'd be very appalled at some of the books that are assigned to children in public school to read. And I think if a parent actually picked this book up and it's like, then Johnny took his penis and he brought it and it was erect for the first time next to his friend.
You're like, what this is for a fourth grader. Right. So this whole family approach that, you know, this truly Socratic, this is not new. This has been around for a long time. And I'm so encouraged to see the activation, the discipline, the process and the hard work from the youngest kindergartener all the way up to, like the 60 year old parent.
That's like doing the work.
It's so bizarre to me that a rejection of teaching like overt sexuality to young kids is somehow or another dismissed as anti-gay or anti LBGTQ. It's so strange because you could never imagine heterosexual sex being discussed to five year olds and six year olds. Like. this is how a man, you know, chooses to have, you know, sexual relationships with, with women. And this is how a woman chooses to have sexual relationships with men.
No, that's never discussed.
That's wildly inappropriate,
but wildly inappropriate, but somehow or another, it's okay. If you're discussing gay sex, yeah, like it's very strange.
It's, um, it's not strange. It's wrong. It's, it's, it's dangerous. It's a grooming behavior. If you're trying to, if you're trying to broach any sexual topic with a child that is not of age to have sex, that is grooming.
That is the definition of grooming, right?
And grooming itself. That term is dismissed as anti LBGTQ and whatever, which is wild.
Like wild. I love gay people. I do not. There's the idea about being American, right? Like, don't care, bro.
Do anything that you want. You talked to, you talked to my eight year old about anything, sexual, hetero, homo, anything. It's wildly inappropriate. He's eight. Right.
You know,
why are you doing that?
Yeah. There's, there's one reason. And it is not for the benefit of the eight year old. Indoctrination. That's right.
Yeah. And to say that somehow or another is homophobic, which is so insane. Like, how did that become reality that we're dealing with this? Because this was not the case a decade ago, two decades ago. This is very recent in terms of modern society in this country.
It's fucking crazy. It's crazy. And it also, to me, it just, it's so confusing that other people don't recognize that. And that people are so, they're so scared of being labeled as homophobic or being labeled as transphobic or L anti LBGTQ, that they allow these things to take place under the guise of we're being more inclusive. Yeah.
Um, I, it does hurt to be called, you know, a bigot, um, to like, you know, you're, you're, you're racist or you're anti LGBTQ. Um, like, I don't want, like those things saying said about me. And I know that they're completely wrong. Um, but they're going to lob that unfounded accusation at me, because I'm going to stand on a principle of protecting my children. And would I rather take, you know, there's a great photo of, um, a dad, standing over his children and on his back, he has, like all of these darts.
And the cartoon was, um, man, who. And the darts were named, you know, it was, um, Disney propaganda. You know, it was LGBTQ indoctrination. It's racial discrimination. It was 69 project.
There's like every single thing that they're attacked with just relentlessly, every single day. And the dad's just sitting there taking it. And that is our job is to take it. So you, you can call me any names that you want, but first and foremost, my position is to protect my children and to, to raise somebody that will be a contributing member of society. My partner, Matt Boudreau at Apogee, he was in public education like that.
That is, that was his origin. That was his start. The Genesis of his journey, where we collided was. he had went and started the two largest Socratic schools in the United States, like hundreds and hundreds of students going to learn just the Socratic approach. And he thought that there was more that needed to be done on the full family approach, where the dad and the mom and the brothers and the sisters, everybody's on the same journey to become the best versions of their self themselves.
So Matt and I collide, with both of us working at the exact same thing, with the same ideas, with the same approaches, with the same love for America. And like the end result is dads and moms becoming those things where they will, they will be the stop gap between all of this hate and all of these dangerous ideas. And if you're not doing that, like if parenting is not hard, maybe you're not a good parent because parenting is hard.
It's complicated.
It is. And like, it should, you know, my wife and I last night sat there for an hour and broke down, like next school year books that we're reading, you know, like, for an hour on, on a, what was a Tuesday night. We're just sitting there like hammering through, like, were there a lot of other things I'd rather be doing for an hour, with my wife, for sure. But highs and lows. on Sunday, my son had lacrosse practice.
It was cold. It was rainy. And his whole entire team, third graders out there, shivering and being, and showing grit. And I was like, my heart was exploding with pride. And I never said you had to stay out there.
I was like, you know, hey, practice, this day. We get there. The coach was in shorts and he was just, his fingers were white. His cheeks were like bright red from the cold, but he stood there and he took it and he showed grit. And then all of these third graders followed in suit.
And I was just like heart exploding with pride as, as my son demonstrated, like this, this will follow through with this thing that I've committed to do. And, and it hurt me to watch my son be cold, and it hurt me. And this is why parenting is hard. And if it doesn't, and if, if I didn't care, I don't think there's any greater insult than indifference. And to be indifferent to your kid is just like.
The worst thing you could be as a human.
Yeah. It's so selfish. That's a crazy way of thinking, but so many people are just so occupied with their own life. They're so busy that they just don't have the time to have conversations with their kid or even think about it. Like, ah, they're going to school at school's job.
Anyone busier than you or me?
Elon.
Okay. Fair. Yeah. Um,
maybe,
yeah, maybe, maybe not.
I don't know. We're pretty busy.
We're pretty busy,
but I think it's, it's, it's a part of life. It's, you know, it's also very rewarding. I mean, you see your kids like getting after it. It's very rewarding. My youngest has become a real fitness freak.
She's a nut. She's got a Fitbit. now. She's 13 and she's a savage. She likes to tell me like did 20,000 steps today.
She gets up at six o'clock in the morning and hits the gym before she goes to school. And then, like she had, um, she had a volleyball game. Yeah. 13.. She had a volleyball game.
She got up at six o'clock in the morning, ran for two miles, then went to the volleyball game, did the volleyball game. You know, they're playing this tournament. They play these three games, comes back home, hits the gym again. So she's getting three workouts in a day.
Dang.
Showing me her results and all those things. And then, you know, we're obviously giving her positive, positive feedback because of it. But now she's like super fired up. Yeah. And that she, like, you, see the difference in her body.
Like her abs are showing and her, her body feels like, like she's like a fucking little Panther. Yeah. Crazy.
And I,
so rewarding.
Not, not to be, and I don't mean to disparage other families that haven't made it there yet or haven't subscribed to these ideas of, of discipline and regimen,
but our kids compared to my, you know, my, my son, my daughters, they're just so much better than everybody else. I don't mean to sound terrible, but like, um, they do the work.
I also think it's a lead by example thing. Children, you can teach them things, but they learn a lot from just watching you. They don't learn a lot. They don't learn a lot when they learn what the standards are. Yeah.
Like, when you see someone who's happy and fulfilled and also successful, and you're like, what is that person doing? Like, well, that person's my mom. What is my mom doing? Oh, my mom's a fucking animal. Like, look at her.
Jesus. I want to be like her. Like, and that's how kids learn. They learn from that. They learn from seeing things too.
They don't just learn from the things you tell them. They learn from watching you and watching you live your own life. And if you're a slob and you come home and just fucking, eating sub sandwiches and just drinking whiskey all night and just falling asleep, watching sports, like you kids are like, this is fucking aimless existence. This is stupid. Like God, life is meaningless.
Yeah.
Like, give them purpose. We're such a society void of purpose.
Mike Glover wrote great book, prepared. And that in that one of the big takeaways was like, it doesn't have to be your purpose, but one of the reasons. me as an American, me as a protector, me as a father, me as a husband, it is my job and my responsibility to be prepared to protect my family. Um, and as your children learn via osmosis, like by example, the things that you do, you know, I have to like elbow my son out of a seat so I can sit facing the door. I was like, my man, you knew where to sit, you know, but like, move over, you go, sit by your mom.
right now, you know? And, uh, you know, he sees the outliers, uh, you know, in Mike would call it a, uh, a bump in the pattern. Like I call them outliers where, like something is off, where I sit down in a place and like that person doesn't belong here.
Right. What's going on here?
Yeah. Um, I'm going to spend a little bit of time, uh, and a little cognitive,
uh,
of my, my ever struggling brain, to pay attention with this, what person is doing over here? because it's my responsibility. Um, and Americans better figure this out pretty fast, because we are going to have a rough year. We are woefully unprepared and disillusioned about what the next 13 months are going to look like.
Do you think that's going to wake people up? Do you think, I mean, I would, I do not want to say that we need something to happen, but one of the things that did happen post nine 11, I remember this overwhelming feeling of patriotism that was prevalent through the entire country. I would drive to work and I'd see American flags on fucking in Los Angeles, which is like one of the most ridiculously out of touch places on earth. And everyone had American flags hanging from their car. It was overwhelming.
There was this feeling like we are in this together and that there are forces of evil out there in the world. And now we understand. And now we're united.
I hope that we don't need that catalyst.
I hope so too.
I really do.
But,
but.
Israel is one of the most secure nations in the world. They're sick, which is impressive from them fighting in for their existence the day that they became a country. to the six day war, where every single one of their neighboring countries invaded them. to the Yom Kippur war, where, again, led by Egypt, every single one of their neighboring countries invaded them. to what just happened, where they have one of the most complex security and military and intelligent networks on the planet.
And Hamas killed for almost Pearl Harbor level numbers, almost nine 11 level numbers just. In.
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