#2080 - John Reeves

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Oh yeah, I know. I'll have a little taste.

Just a little taste, Mr. Reeves.

Thank you, sir.

Cheers, sir. Good to see you again.

Good to be seen.

So, tell me, what the fuck is going on? How is it? How's things cracking? First of all, congratulations on being proved correct in that there are literally mammoth bones, bison bones, all kinds of bones in the East River. You said on this podcast, Dirty Water.

It's very real.

So the museum dumped bones that belong to your property out there in the East River, and they're still out there for people to find. How many pounds were dumped, roughly?

Fifty tons.

Fifty tons!

Fifty.

Fifty tons!

And that was told to me by one of the guys that wrote that report, that I read on your show.

Good Lord, that's a lot. I didn't know. it was that many.

Yeah. Boxcar.

And they found how many bones so far?

I don't know. You don't know? I think Dirty Water Don and those guys found three so far.

Did I say Dan? Sorry, sorry.

It's either Dan or Don.

Don. I think it's, is it Dirty Water Dan or Dirty Water Don? It's Don. Dirty Water Don.

I'm sorry.

That's a risky thing to do. The guy's diving in the East River. Yeah. That guy is.

There's more guys out there, too.

How many guys are out there right now?

Don't know how many, but I know there's others out there that are making finds.

So are they using spotlights? Like, how are they seeing things at the bottom of the East River?

One is a research vessel.

A research vessel?

Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, I'm in the gold mining industry, and we have a code that we don't talk about.

So this is one piece, and this is a jawbone, correct?

Yes, sir.

Of a step bison.

I believe so. I have never seen it. But I know he found, that was one of the first things he found. He found some mammoth ivory.

Yeah, and he found another bone, right? Yes, sir.

Looks like a leg bone.

Yeah.

Right there.

So this is his Instagram is Dirty Water Don on Instagram, and that's another bone that they found right there.

Yes, sir.

And so they know roughly the location, and it's kind of amazing that this stuff was dumped in, was it the 30s? When was this dumped?

In the 40s. The 40s. Yes, sir.

So this stuff was dumped, that's outrageous. That's an outrageous photograph. How dare you, Don. This stuff was dumped in the 40s, and to this day, this is the first time that people have actually gone looking for things, correct?

Yes, sir.

So.

It's been a dirty little secret for decades.

Well, proven true now.

It sure has been.

The museum still continues to deny it, though, correct?

They won't talk to me.

Why won't they talk to you?

Well, when Drew and Elora and I and my wife went to New York a few years ago, they were supposed to meet with us, and they decided to have us stand out in the rain for four hours.

Really? Yeah. And they wouldn't meet with you?

No.

So you went all the way to New York to meet with them?

Well, I went there to the Explorers Club to show the documentary. There was a screening of the documentary on the Boneyard.

And what, did they? just decide that you're too problematic?

I think so, yeah.

Well, how are you problematic? I don't understand.

I'm problematic in many, many ways. I think you're great. Because I don't think they ever envisioned somebody like me owning this company.

Right. That's probably the problem.

Yep.

The problem is you're honest.

To some degree, I'm a gold miner after all.

Yeah.

You know, Mark Twain said a miner's, a liar standing next to a hole in the ground.

Oh, that's funny. Mark Twain was the shit.

Yeah, wasn't he?

He really was. Boy, was that guy ahead of his time. You know, a lot of people credit him for being the first stand-up comedian.

I didn't know that.

Yeah, because, you know, stand-up comedy is a truly American art form. And it seems like Twain was the first guy to do it. Because essentially what he would do is read his humorous works in front of people. And they would all laugh. So he would, you know, be playing to the crowd.

Yep.

Very insightful and humorous.

Yep.

So many great quotes from this one individual, you know?

Yep.

So they left you in the rain, and then nobody has spoken to you since, or what?

They don't talk to me.

What are they afraid of? It's not even them. You've got to think, this is all done in the 1940s. Everybody who did is probably dead.

They just don't want to return the bones.

Oh, so they have more bones.

Oh, yeah. This is just the stuff they threw in the river is not even the good stuff. I don't know if you saw that little video I posted of their collecting techniques where they threw them in a big pile. No idea where they came from. Wow.

So they just don't want to address it? So do you have lawyers involved? Like, what's going on so far?

Everybody's encouraged me to litigate this. I've been involved in litigation before, and I have a pretty good track record because I protect my property rights. I don't care if it's real property or intellectual property.

Well, this seems like they're going to have to, I mean, there's just too much pressure now. With the fact that they've actually found real bones in the East River, that there's no other way they could have gotten there. I mean, just how else are you going to find a step bison bone in the fucking East River? It's clear that they dumped that stuff.

Oh, yeah. And they denied it. Check this out.

So it says, 12 tons of ivory unearthed in a year. Wow. These are the fearsome reminders of a period when cavemen were not the only things girls had to look out for.

Wow.

That was them.

Money isn't always so easy to find. Gold. miners in Alaska, loosening up the frozen earth, found not gold, but the treasures of past ages. A mammoth tusk nine feet long was just a part of the 12 tons of ivory unearthed in a year. Wow.

Anyways, that's their collecting techniques, and they sent everything. They weren't supposed to take all that stuff. They were only supposed to take bones of scientific value, and they were supposed to research every one they took. They were supposed to, under the agreement I had with them, or my company, do a report annually on everything they took. It was a tripartite agreement with the University of Alaska, AMNH, and my company, Fairbanks Exploration.

Really?

In those wooden crates and everything else.

And what are they doing with them?

Nothing. They're supposed to do reports and research on them. They haven't done anything in 100 years.

So is it because they don't have the funding to do the work on them, and they just want to store them because they're pack rats? What are they doing?

Well, they don't have the stratigraphic information about where that stuff comes from.

Oh, you have that.

I have all of that. Yeah. And one of the authors of that report I read last year, was trying to get us together so we could make some sense out of this collection. And, like Drew and I were talking earlier, it's like a thousand piece jigsaw puzzle. I only got 20 pieces.

Yeah, it seems like it.

It is.

Well, let's talk about that, because one of the things that you have found is a layer of carbon, a layer of dark carbon that seems to indicate a mass fire.

Yes.

And that where the animals are, it's so unusual that there are so many bones in the same sort of layer that exist in one place. Yeah. That something had to happen for them to all die in that one spot. And this is something that Randall Carlson has pointed out before. You know, they found other places where – I forget where the other places were.

Well, like I told you last time, I think it's all secondary deposition from water, because there's such a wide spectrum of them and very few mummified remains, although we found some this summer.

Hmm. Which is probably likely.

Could have.

Yeah. Well, what Randall and Graham Hancock, what they believe and the younger Dryas impact theory proponents believe is that distinctly something around 11,800 years ago and then maybe something also around 10,000 years ago. But that doesn't preclude or that doesn't dismiss the idea that there could have been one, 30,000 years, 40,000 years. It could have been multiple events.

Could have been.

Because of this time that we pass through this comet shower. It's every June and November, I believe.

And I've posted that picture before of the burnt bedrock and the gravel above it.

Yes. See if you can find that photo, Jamie. Because that's fascinating, too, because that seems to indicate that something massive happened.

Something did happen. Yeah.

What would you do?

When I was here with you last time.

Did you get crazy? What'd you say?

I'm afraid I bullshitted you a little bit.

In what way?

Because when I got back to Fairbanks, my surveyor comes up to me. His name's Albert. He says, you got a lot of nerve, bullshitting him like that. I said, what are you talking about? He said, you told him the site that you dug all these up is five acres.

Wow.

Okay, I'm going to tell him I'm sorry.

That's actually even more insane, right? So, do you think that this is like the water had washed these bodies into a very specific area?

I think there's a bigger system of water in play that we don't really understand yet. When we started going up the gulch, it's what it is, the gulch. It's about,

Yeah, the crazy sod bones are very interesting. So, let's talk about that. Because we've showed photos on the podcast before. And that these sod bones, now you have carbon dated them and they're to when? Here they are.

Yeah. You're not going to believe this, because we got all excited when we found them. Plus or minus 200 years.

So, what kind of animal are these from?

I don't know.

But they're 200 years old.

190.. Here, I brought one with me. Oh, really? This is a story about how these were found. I got a call one day, I was out there at the bone yard.

And so this is the one that's 200 plus years old.

You see that notch right there? That's what I cut out and sent in to get carbon dated.

And so this is, this is some sort of a joint. Is that a femur? Is that the top of a femur?

The lady, Jeanette Rhimes, a Dakota huntress, she thinks it's a moose leg bone. But set it on its end there. Other end.

Okay.

Now, 200 years ago, what kind of utility would that have to do that?

What kind of utility to do that? Yeah. What do you mean?

The people that did that. Why would they have a bone like that?

I would imagine to get to the marrow.

Yeah. But then what? You eat it. Maybe a candle. Maybe like some marrow.

Well, I would imagine they're eating the marrow.

They are eating the marrow.

People have always eaten the marrow, and that's how they do it. I mean, if you get marrow now, that's how you do it.

But I think there's some utility to that bone, is what I'm saying. Yeah? Just the way it sits. You could have put fire embers in it to keep, you know, overnight. Because this was 200 years ago.

So is this Russians?

It's obviously owned by Russia. It's about the same time frame, yeah. Russians owned Alaska.

I think the utility of it is just a coincidence, honestly, because it doesn't look like it's been worked at the bottom.

Nope. No? No, I agree with you. I don't know.

Yeah.

That's the whole thing. None of us know.

I mean, I'm sure they have used some of these before, like that, for something. But if I had to guess, I would guess that this is just something that they did to get at the marrow where all the good fat is. You know?

Maybe they had some vodka and they poured it in there. Hmm.

Perhaps.

I don't know.

They probably had some kind of metal cups back then.

Well, those two little you just showed, they look like cups to me.

Hmm. They could have been. They certainly could be some sort of a thing that you could drink out of. Certainly the right size for a good shot of vodka. But so were there supposedly people living in that area back then?

No.

Which is interesting.

It is interesting.

So what do you think is going on?

I have no idea.

Does anybody have a theory?

There's probably a lot of theories. But that's the whole point. about all this stuff. Nobody knows.

Well, at least we know you didn't come up with evidence that the saw is older than 5,000 years old, which is one of the things that we're thinking.

Which is, I was hoping that was going to be the case. Yeah, that would have been wild. And when I got the carbon dates, I went, ah, damn it.

How much of a recorded history do we have of that area from 200 years ago?

None.

None. Huh. So was it mostly like, have you ever seen that? Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People, Life in the Taiga?

Uh-uh.

It's about people who live in Siberia right now, to this day, and they live this incredibly primitive life. Really, all they have is snowmobiles and some hand tools, and maybe some chainsaws. And most of what they do is just living off the land, trapping, fishing, hunting. That's it. And they're very low instances of mental illness.

Yep. Well, we did find a skinning rock across the valley on top of a hill that still don't know where that's, how old that is or where that's from.

A skinning rock.

A skinning rock is posted there.

And it's been worked. so it's been fluted.

Yeah, there's even a little indent on the side for your finger as you flesh something out.

And what is it made out of?

Stone from Eastern Europe. Remember, we talked a little bit about that.

Oh, that's right.

And it wasn't local.

Right.

So there was a lot of traveling, migrating, going on across that Bering Land Bridge because it was an ice-free corridor.

Yeah.

And it went all the way into the lower 48..

Yeah, like, let's talk about that. Like what different animals did they say didn't live there that you personally and your company has found evidence of?

Dire wolves being one of them.

And they didn't think they were around back then? No. Why did they not think that elk were in that area back then? Because elk are in Alaska.

Because they never found any elk bones.

Right, but that's it. It's just they didn't find the bones.

They didn't find the bones.

But they literally didn't think that Sabertooth tigels lived in that area.

They didn't think that. In fact, in that film, that documentary film, Pat Druckenmiller, who's the curator now? and the director of the museum, says to their knowledge, none of them have ever been found there.

Wow.

But to my knowledge they have been because on a shipping manifest to AMNH that one was sent to them. The one I found was stolen by the British Museum and never returned. So I'm on kind of a little bit of a rampage these days about the museums and what they're doing with these collections.

Well, I think it is important because these museums are run by these academics, and academics, unfortunately, some of them tend to be very arrogant, and they want to be able to control whatever narrative they have or whatever information they have, and they don't want to be open about it.

No. And AMNH is a private institution, but the Smithsonian is a public entity. It's owned by us. So they answer to a different set of rules. The Smithsonian has to respond to a FOIA request.

What does that mean?

Bend you over a log and we'll break you.

Oh, with money?

With money, with lawyers, with all that litigation costs.

Why don't we fucking crowdfund something?

Well, because I have another plan. Oh. This plan's going to work.

Okay.

I have people in our state legislature working on this right now. There's a senator named Click Bishop who's on the finance committee. He's on the resources committee. He's the majority whip, and he's making efforts to get the bones back to Alaska, from the state of Alaska. Now, AMNH might be able to take on John Reeves and stump break me, but they can't do it to the state of Alaska.

And so you've never been given any explanation as to why they haven't done this research?

They didn't feel like it.

They just didn't feel like it. Is it because they don't have the resources, or it just wasn't a priority for them, and this was all done from the 1940s, and there's no reason for them to go back and take that stuff and reenact the research or begin the research?

It's impossible for them to come up with any scientific research because they don't have the stratigraphic information. They don't even know where it was found. Right. But I do. Let's put it all together, boys, and then we'll study it.

I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to do that. That seems to me an incredible opportunity.

Not that I know of.

How not? How not? I mean, me just finding your Instagram page, I was like, Jesus Christ, how does this guy have all these bones? This is crazy. What is this place?

It's amazing.

It's fucking incredible. Yep.

And that's why that cut bone, by the way, I noticed you don't have a spitzer bone out there in your lobby.

What's a spitzer bone?

That's what we call the spitzer bones.

Oh, yeah.

You ain't got one of those in your lobby.

No, I don't.

I'm going to fix that shit.

Okay, thank you.

You're welcome.

We do have the step bison head, though.

I saw it out there. It looks nice where it sits.

We're trying to figure out how to display it. I think I'm going to have a stand built and just have it sit out there.

I've got people going, oh, he needs to get a Cadillac and mount it on the hood.

Well, that's not a bad idea.

As long as you don't drive it around.

Once I get a ranch out here, I'll do that. I'll put it on the ranch truck.

There you go.

No, that's not good.

It needs to be preserved. The blue bay bison was 38,000 years old. They could have known each other back in the day.

Well, it looks old as fuck.

It is old as fuck. Yeah.

What an amazing, amazing spot you have. Do you ever stop and just think how insane it is?

I do when I have people like Eric Spitzer and his daughters show up, and they're just the happiness. They're just so gleeful. Yeah. Sometimes I need to see that, to remember that what we're doing is kind of worthwhile.

No, it's very worthwhile.

It means that people enjoy it, and they like seeing it, and they like doing it, and we just haven't figured out a way to let everybody do it.

Well, it just seems to me that this is an extraordinary opportunity to gain some understanding. Yeah. That's why I don't understand why these universities or someone hasn't reached out to you and said, hey, we need to really have a full-scale investigation and find out what happened here. This is an extraordinary place, and it may unlock a lot of pieces to this puzzle. as to what happened to humanity.

Who knows.

Who knows? And your area where that... Have they done a core sample, where they've gone through that carbon layer to find out what year that all took place yet?

No. Wow. And it's partially my fault because I tell everybody, look, until we get our bones back from the bowels of the AMNH, nothing's going to get studied. If they want to do this and continue doing this, they can deal with Drew out there, because we're not going to just say, okay, we'll study 20 pieces of the 1,000-piece puzzle. We're just two guys with one giant.

Now, why did they dump those in the East River? They just needed the storage?

I don't know.

They just had an abundance of them.

They had so many of them, and they said, nobody's going to give us any money for this. I have an idea. that's a good cover story for making sure your wealthy donors get a little something and getting them off the books.

Oh, so, some of them they dumped and some of them they gave away.

I would think.

I would imagine.

Museums aren't money-making institutions.

Right.

And so I think, a lot of the times they get something donated, especially when there's no control at all. There was no control on what was going on.

Sort of like when we send money to Ukraine.

It's going all over the place. Yeah, why don't we send the money to Maui? Right, yeah. Okay.

I've said that many times.

A hundred billion dollars to Ukraine. We could have built a gas line from the North Slope to the lower 48 and a water line from Southeast Alaska to Northern California and took care of the people in Maui. Yeah. And still have some change left over.

Yeah, a lot of change.

But, no. Yeah. It's crazy.

It is. It is, and that's, it seems like what's happening with your bones and your property and the lack of, I don't want to say if it's a lack of interest, I'm sure they're interested,

but the lack of action.

It's symbolic of a lot of the problems that we have in our society today.

Mismanagement, man.

Massive. Massive, and a confederacy of dunces that are running the show.

Yeah, they are. And seemingly they don't care what we think.

No. Well, that's, you know, they have too much on their plate. Why are they going to talk about some fucking dude in Alaska who's out of his mind, blowing water into the side of permafrost, pulling out all kinds of crazy skulls. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Well, I think, you know, I'm in business, you're in business. We have a divided Congress. We got half that, a little bit more than half, think this president we got should be impeached. We got the other lower little bit, less than half, not one of them think he should be impeached.

Boy.

Imagine that being the best case scenario. in 2023, with all the information that we have today, with AI, with chat, GPT 4.0, soon to be 5, with all the technology we have available, all the understanding that we have available, and we're still just, want everybody to just leave us alone. That's the best case scenario.

It's just, they stay busy with themselves and do what we want.

Yeah. It's better than them helping us.

Yeah. We don't want it.

Yeah.

But if the other part is, I don't want to let my bones leave Alaska. Right. Of course. They never seem to come back. Right.

I wouldn't trust them anymore. Nope. And the British museum, have they given any sort of an explanation of what they did with that saber tooth tiger skull? No. Somebody's probably got that in their living room.

Yeah, they do.

Yeah. By George, look what I have here.

Oh my.

I made a sizable donation to the museum and they gifted me this wonderful saber tooth tiger skull.

In that case, I think the guy never even got back to the museum. I think he just took it home. He was working for them, but they're a bunch of, it's like we don't sell bones from the bone yard. We don't sell bones. We've given some bones away.

So they were supposed to research them? What were they supposed to do? There it is. Saber tooth tiger skull. Wow.

That's awesome.

Yeah. Just like that. I think that's how he got it. I think he got it at an auction.

Yeah. Yeah. And how did he get to the auction?

Good question. Right. It's probably yours. You probably bought yours.

Mine wasn't that good looking.

That's a good looking skull. Yeah. His is a good looking skull as well. His is fully intact.

Yeah. No, mine wasn't.

How many of them do they have that are fully intact out there in the wild?

Well. Floating around. La Brea. There's a lot of them at La Brea Tar Pits, I believe.

Yeah.

I mean, yesterday, Drew and I were going, hey, let's drive out and look at the farms and the countryside. We drove for two hours. We couldn't get out of town. We ended up at the airport every time.

Yeah.

Seems like there's a whole lot. Yeah, it is.

It's now the 10th largest city in the country. It's a little tiny-ass city at one point in time.

Not anymore.

No. It's blowing up.

When are you guys going to get a football team?

That's a good question. That's a good question.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how that shit works.

I don't know how that shit works either, but boy, they love football out here.

Houston's got one. Dallas got one.

I went to the UT game. It's massive.

Boy.

Just the college team out here?

Holy shit. Yep.

Crazy.

Yeah, it's awesome. So we looked around, looked around, and said, oh, let's just look around a little bit more and saw parts of Austin that probably are not on the beaten track. But, hey, I thought, well, let's drive down.

Yeah, it's a haul. I've gone down to south Texas to do some hunting, and the place that I went to, they actually found a dead migrant on their property. And he said, it's not uncommon. It happens quite often. Poor guys get lost and trying to make their way across and run out of water.

Well, I don't blame the people for wanting to come here.

At all, no.

My family, we all came from Europe.

Mine did, too.

And it just doesn't seem to be any management of what's going on.

It seems to be the opposite of management. It seems like a concerted effort to flood the country. It sure does. And not just this country. It seems like it's happening all over Europe.

You know, you talked about AI. Well, someday, and probably not too far in the future, you'll be able to do your podcast without even being here. AI will have you sitting there, have me sitting here, and it will be guessing what we're going to talk about.

Yeah. Good luck.

Yeah, no shit.

AI is going to be able to do a really good job of recreating the kind of conversations that we've had, but they're not going to be able to really recreate human stupidity. I don't understand what happens when people get drunk. I don't think AI is going to be able to recreate, protect our parks. I don't think they're going to.

And the other thing is, you don't know if what you just saw is real. Right.

That's a real problem now.

That is a real problem, because right now, the stuff you say, it could be real.

Yeah.

But it is real. Wait until they get AI going.

It's already going. I think what we're seeing right now is just really the tip of the iceberg are the capabilities. And I wonder. I had Sam Altman on, who is the head dog at OpenAI, and they kicked him out and they brought him back in. And there's some sort of weird explanation of why they kicked him out, and they were saying that he wasn't forthcoming about something.

I've been thinking the speed of light was always the standard, growing up. Nothing faster than the speed of light. Then I thought there is something faster than that. It's the speed of thought.

Yeah.

That's a bunch.

That's a bunch.

That's such a massive thing to think about. There's no point in even thinking about it.

Then it goes deeper than that. There's a couple of ways it goes deeper than that. First of all, in the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole. That, I think, is... I think it's...

And time... And I've heard you say this. That's something we made up. There's no such thing as time.

Right. This is the only time right now.

Yeah. It's gone already. Yep. Here it's gone.

Right.

Now you talk about... What is this, Jamie?

A quick animation NASA made to give you a size reference, if you will. Okay. It starts with... The middle thing is the sun. Our sun.

I'm going to go too speed.

This is the orbit of Mercury. There's one there. It gets really big here, really quick, though. So these are other supermassive black holes that are just in our galaxy? Yeah.

Wow.

And I guess in theory, then, yeah, all of that times two, or I don't know how big, is inside that. Like reverse? I don't know. Yeah. Go inside that, and you find another universe.

They look the same.

I mean, neural network and the cosmic web, they look the same. And if they are the same, if that is what a brain cell is, and that the entire universe is a part of the brain of an infinitely large individual, that's a part of a civilization that also exists in another universe, that's a part of an infinitely large being, that's a brain cell of that, that universe is a brain cell of that thing, and that it just keeps going and going and going and going. And even the idea of the Big Bang is just like, maybe not. Maybe it's always been here. Maybe it's just constant.

Maybe those people, aliens, whatever you want to call it, visited Earth about 65, 75 million years ago and they said, hey, no, life like us can live here with these dinosaurs running around. Yeah. Let's burn this son of a bitch down.

It could be.

And poof.

It could be. That's just how it's sort of designed. That the thing is designed to, like, the only reason for us to advance and the only reason for us to create civilization is you can't live where you are without structure. You can't live where you are without agriculture. You can't live where you are without controlling resources.

I don't know.

I mean, it seems like we're designed for chaos. We're designed for constant struggle. And maybe that's like an engine to further encourage innovation and to further encourage society to progress further and further. And that you have to battle against these evil forces. You have to battle against incompetent government.

Well, I think the pandemic brought on a whole series of mental disorders in this country. Oh, yeah. In this world. We're getting set up for it again. probably.

Yeah.

I want to protect my family, if I can. I can't. Nobody can. Not. when they're making viruses in labs.

Right. Why are you making them more infectious, more dangerous, more deadly? Why are you taking viruses that were never designed to infect humans and didn't exist in the human population and you're engineering them? Why? So you can study them?

Maybe that virus is designed to make people go crazy.

I'm sure there are.

You know, just make them go nuts. Kind of like what's going on.

Right.

We got shit going on. You know, talking about planet killers. We can kill this planet right now if we want. If all those triggers get pulled and all that.

Oh, yeah.

Many times over.

Yep.

That's where we're at. It's unfortunate that we have to live like that and think about that. We shouldn't be thinking about that.

No.

We shouldn't be.

No, we shouldn't be.

But we are.

But again, maybe that's part of the design of how the human race evolves. That it has to go through these things in order to have an incentive to restructure things and get better.

I don't know.

I don't know. The problem is also our personal timeline of being a human being is so limited and so short that by the time you realize how fucked everything is, it's sort of the end of your ride. Have you ever read War is a Racket by Smedley Butler?

No.

It's a great piece that was written by a guy who was a general. It was in the 1930s. And at the end of his career, he wrote this piece called War is a Racket. And what he thought he was doing versus what the motivation for these military actions actually were. See if you can find that, Jamie.

You know, you get so many years and, like we've made it both around. One more trip around the sun since I saw you last time.

Yeah.

And Willie Mammoth had a built in escape. You get six sets of teeth. When the last set is gone, you starve to death.

Yeah.

Real simple.

Real simple. That's the wild.

Yeah.

The wild is a built in system.

And our ancestors, you know, that were living with us. And I'll say this because I know they were living with us back in the Ice Age. They weren't working against us and we weren't working against them. All that we wanted to do was survive from one day to the next.

Because it was so brutal.

And that's all they wanted to do. Yeah. And I went off on this a little bit recently about the way that we portray mammoths being the extinction caused by humans. I'm going, no, you got it all wrong. We lived with them side by side for tens of thousands of years.

No, it's a lot of speculation. And until the Younger Drives Impact Theory, the main theory as to the extinction event was the Berserker Theory. That human beings had become such effective hunters. And, by the way, this was, this preceded the invention of the bow and arrow. This is the atlatl.

Yeah, we got one of those.

You know what I mean? It's like a cup at the end of it, a long stick, and it allows you to whip that ball really far with leverage. And they had something along those lines that they would throw a spear with. And you know, you probably could kill some young mammoths with that. You definitely could kill some bison with that.

And caribou.

You could kill some stuff. But kill them all? No. No. I don't think so either.

There were very few people in the Ice Age, anyways. Very few. They didn't travel in groups of 100 or 200, I don't think. We'd have found evidence of that. But if your choice is to go, let's go knock over that caribou over there.

Yeah.