#2120 - That Mexican OT
2024-03-15 02:21:03
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Telling the story of the kid with the seven wolves?
Yeah, well, seven coyotes, yeah. I think it was nine. I think it was nine coyotes. Damn. That's a crazy story.
I feel like I'm looking at you on my phone right now. That's crazy.
Are we rolling? Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah, it's weird when you meet people, when you've seen them. Yeah, me too, with you, you know?
I've only seen you on YouTube. Right, right, right. Seen you on my phone.
Right? It's cool, man. It's a pleasure, bro.
Pleasure to meet you too, man.
Bro, you're like, you're a bad motherfucker, bro. First of all, to me, my dad was like my god, you know what I'm saying? So to see him glorify you and stroke your ego, bro, it's just, it's cool.
That's cool. I'd like to meet your dad.
Yeah, you just met him.
Oh, that was your dad?
Yeah, the swole man's getting in there. Oh, no shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, your dad's cool as fuck.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Beautiful. Yeah, looks good, man.
Yeah, my whole life he's been like that. He looks good. I remember I'd get in trouble and he would punish me with workouts.
Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, wow. I've been fit my whole life. I started getting fat when I touched that rapper money.
Yeah, really.
It's hard, right?
Yeah, yeah. I'd go out to eat and I would like it, because I'm already indecisive, so I'd go out to eat and order like five things and just eat small off each plate.
Well, that's a problem when you first start getting money, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Indulgent.
Yeah, I'm chilling now, though, you know what I'm saying?
But definitely. at first it was like when I was 25. I got a development deal and I was spending so much money. my manager called me up. He thought I had a gambling problem.
Oh, shit.
He was like, do you have a gambling problem? I'm like, no, I'm eating steak and lobster every night.
I was just going to say, bro, like it goes to food, right? I feel like because I ain't bought jewelry or nothing like that. Nothing?
I've seen the grill.
I mean, yeah, but like I had a grill before, I was anybody. And then my second grill Paul Wall gave to me.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, so. Paul Wall's the man. Yeah, shout out to Paul Wallican. It was just his birthday a few days ago, too. Oh, yeah?
That dude, he looks like a real estate agent.
With the come over?
Yeah, with his crazy grill.
Yeah, no, he's cool as shit, though.
He's cool as shit.
He's a nice person. I was smoking with him and I handed him a joint and he was like, thank you. I was like, what are you telling me? thank you, for? He makes a rotation, you know?
But he's just a sweet dude, you know? That's nice. Yeah, he's cool.
I've seen him in interviews. I love to talk to that dude. I've seen him in interviews. He always seems cool as fuck.
Yeah.
Just real happy.
If you're down, I'd love to connect you.
Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, for sure.
Let's do it. Shout out Paul, man.
I found out about you from Tony Hinchcliffe. My friend Tony Hinchcliffe. He's like, yo, you got to listen to this. And he puts it on. He's a comedian.
Okay, see. And he put it on. in the green room of the mothership. He put Cowboy Killer. I was like, oh, shit, this is good, man.
Now it's in our Spotify rotation.
Thank you so much. Cowboy Killer was a fun one to write. I remember I was in West Columbia and my buddy Nate was like, he was like, just do something different. He was like, make a country song. And I just played like a country rap beat.
And from there, it just went crazy.
Yeah, dude, we find ourselves walking around the green room, sometimes going, lately, I've been fucking.
I just did that one at the rodeo. I mean, at the rodeo, they went stupid.
Oh, I bet.
Yeah, that's one of the ones they go crazy for when I perform. I feel like maybe just because it's easier to sing along to a lot of my stuff. Like they don't even understand what I'm saying. They just sound good.
Right, right, right.
You know?
Yeah. No, that one's a good one to sing along to. It's also just fun. Yeah. You know, it's a fun song.
You're having a good fucking time.
Definitely, man. And I'm glad you said that, because that's what I try to give out. Like this next project I'm working on, I want to call it Recess. And I want to call it Recess because at this point, bro, I don't have walls. I don't have boundaries.
You know what I'm saying? I don't have an ego that's holding me down to one sound or anything like that. Like this is recess to me. So, like, therefore, I can go to the monkey bars and dominate. Then I can go to the jungle gym and then I can go to the swings and have fun everywhere.
Right, right.
So it sounds like I'm having fun.
That's great.
Yeah. It's a blessing, bro. Like, man, I would have never thought I'd be here. You know? I thank God every day, bro, because I used to be on acid laid out in the middle of the street.
And I wasn't doing acid. the way y'all do acid. Like, I feel like some people do drugs and they do it to better, to learn. Like, I was strictly abusing this shit. You know what I'm saying?
Like, I just wanted to be fucking dick in the dirt high. You know? Right.
And it's just beautiful, bro. You know, I tell people all the time, God's going to have an amazing talk with y'all because, like, y'all, don't even understand. Y'all save somebody's life, and you don't even know it, because it's just pure enjoyment to you. But, bro, like, God, watches that, man. And I promise all my fans, God's going to have a good talk with them, because they spoil me.
You know what I'm saying? They make me feel good, bro. I love my fans, dog. Like, they pay attention to the smallest shit ever. You know, I was in California.
I did a show in L.A. and this girl brought a shirt and she had a mural of my mama's headstone on it. Oh, wow. It said, you know, when she passed, her birthday, her name, my name, my little brother's name. And I was like, damn, like, shit's just cool, bro.
Wow. You know, because my mother gave me my first rap name, V-Man, and I've been rapping since I was four years old. You know what I'm saying? So, like, it's just cool. Like, my mama was a gangster.
I was talking to Fat Boy a few days ago in Bay City, and Fat Boy, you know, he's like, oh, my God, Virgil, I love you. So, me and Sophie, we was best friends.
And he was like, yo, mama taught me how to cook hard. You know, like, just going on and on. Like, mama was walking around Bay City like, where my money at? You know, like, we're just savage. We're just short.
Like, she was a little pocket rocket. Short with so much power, you know? And she was beautiful, man. Everybody loved her.
I feel like it was hard with the family, with her. You know what I'm saying? Like, I grew up watching my mother and her mother fist fight in the living room, you know? Oh, wow. Yeah, but that's why sometimes, when people be like, oh, yeah, this for Sophie, or Sophie this or Sophie that.
And I'm like, man, none of you, motherfuckers. Like, all, y'all traded her. All, y'all turned y'alls back on her. There were some people that were supposed to fight for me in court when my mother died, because they knew. But they didn't, like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, they backed out, you know what I'm saying? Fight for you in court?
Like, how?
So, when my mother passed away, my mama was already planning on giving me to my nanny, which is my dad's mother. And the reason why she was going to give me to her is because he was getting out of prison. And my mama was, like, my mama was gangster. Like, cooking, crack and selling this shit. I'm like, people fucked up in our house, you know what I'm saying?
So, like, she knew she was already fucking up and probably finna go to jail. And I was just bad. I was a badass little kid, you know? I was in first grade and not coming home till 10 o'clock at night already, you know? Wow.
And she would just be, I remember her crying and she'd just be like, I can't take care of her, Miss Irma. I don't know what to do with them, all this and that. And some of my people knew that was on my mother's side. They knew about this. And they knew that she wanted to give me to Irma.
They knew all this. And they knew that Sophie didn't want me to be with my mama's side because it really wasn't too much guidance. She knew that I would almost be fucked over there. Not saying that they don't love me, because they definitely love me. It's just, they just weren't heavy hand on the rules and shit, you know what I'm saying?
How old were you at the time?
When my mama passed? Yeah, I was eight. But I was already grown, you know what I'm saying? I was already grown. And so when I hear those people, oh yeah, Sophie, this and that, I'm like, man, fuck you.
You know what I'm saying? Because y'all left my mama out there dry, for real. Like everybody in my family, left my mama dry like that. Like my mama, she was close with Sabrina, my tia Sabrina. I know that for sure, but that's because we all lived together.
You know what I'm saying? And I know my tia Sabrina and my cousin Homer too. My cousin Homer was close with my mama.
I never seen my mother respect any other woman except for my nanny and maybe my stepmama. My mama used to take me to my stepmama. We would meet halfway and my stepmama would take me to go see my dad in prison. And I used to be rapping through him through a glass on the phone. Really?
Yeah. I used to be rapping the radio and he'd be like, fuck that radio. I want to hear what you got to say. Wow. I'd be doing my push-ups, my sit-ups.
Dad, look at me. Check me out. I hit jumping jacks, all this and that. I'd knuckle and we would twist it. He would say, lock it up.
He'd get him dappin'. He'd say, lock it up. You know? And I was just telling Fia, every time I'd go visit him, he would always ask for a Sprite and some Kit Kats. I used to go to get the coins and take them to the guards.
I'd be like, man, that's all I got, but let me take my daddy home. You know? And he did a long time. He did about six years in there.
He learned a lot. He'd tell me all the time that prison taught him how to be a political person, you know, and a politician.
And how so?
You know, because, like, you have to follow other rules in there. now. Like, let's say me and you got problems. I got to go to whoever your leader is or somebody what's going on in your situation and be like, say, but I can't just go over there because I'm going to start, like, a race war or some shit. You know what I'm saying?
Like, everything has a reaction, you know, and you just got to have permission from your hires. I don't know too much about it, you know what I'm saying, because I ain't never been to prison and things like that, but, you know what I'm saying, I know a little bit from just being around.
That's a crazy statement. when you're 8-year-old, you were grown.
Yeah, I was already grown. Like, I looked at pictures. I seen a picture of me holding this basketball when I was a kid, and I remember holding this basketball. It glued in the dark, and I remember, like, playing with it. I remember being with it, holding it, and, like, just seeing it around the house.
And I look at a picture of myself holding it, and I was like, damn.
Like, I look like I was a child, not even a kid, like a baby still. And I was already feeling, like, I was already looking at my teachers, like, bitch, I don't know what fucking this, but I will fuck you. You know what I'm saying? For real. Like, I was already grown.
I was already watching, like, Hustle and Flow, Scarface, you know, because my parents were still kids. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I just got to be a kid with them.
How old was your mom when you were born?
I think she was, like, 18.. Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah. That's what happened.
Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. I remember watching Scarface all the time with my mama, and every single time before she died, she'd be like, Tony, turn around, Tony. Like, this, is going to change something. But, yeah, I remember that was a movie that made her cry.
Really? Yeah. Wow. She was rooting for Scarface.
Yeah. She cried when Tony died. She was fucked up about that shit.
That's hilarious. Mm-hmm. She cried when Tony died.
I remember it was me, SB, Quincy, and I feel like Romeo. Romeo was definitely there because he was living with us.
And Keelan might have been alive. Yeah, he was because Joseph was definitely alive. These are all my cousins. Like, I never needed friends because I always had siblings. And I was the oldest of all of them.
So, like, man, I'm making a palette. I got all of us sleeping in the living room together. And, you know, like I said, my parents were still kids. So, they out doing kids stuff at the club, partying, and all this and that. So, while they're doing that, I'm playing Scarface and all this other shit, you know.
But I remember we were sleeping in bed one time. And my mother comes in, and she wake, SB, up. SB, we whooped those bitches' ass, all this and that. We got them. We got them.
Like, my mom had just gone to a bar fight with somebody. Wow. Came home, talking about, yeah, we whooped them bitches' ass. I remember smelling the cold night on her. Does that make sense?
Cold night. Like, it's cold at night, and then you're inside, and then somebody come in. It's like you can feel the cold on them, and, like, smell it and shit. Like, I don't know how to explain it. I just felt the cold come off of her body, and I smelled her.
And I always knew she was around because I heard high heels. Like, when she would pick me up from daycare, I always knew it was my mama, because she's the only one coming in high heels, you know. And, yeah, my mama, she was just crazy. Her name was Sophia Goska, Sophia Ann Goska.
Wow. What a crazy way to grow up.
Yeah. I mean, a little bit. I mean, it's definitely worse, you know what I'm saying. It's not even crazy. It's just.
we was just living. Like, I remember, I wasn't even sitting in car seats. Like, my mother would be driving, holding my little baby brother, and I'd be standing in the passenger seat with my arm on the seat. like this, you know. Wow.
Yeah. Just living, like, you know. Just wild. Yeah.
Well, that's a good way to develop a rapper.
Correct. My mama, so boys would come around, and they'd be like, you know what I'm saying, my mama would always tell them, Sophia, I'm going to be, my son's going to be a rapper. You know, they'd be, Sophia, all right, Sophia, you know what I'm saying. No, my son's going to be a rapper. I was failing every class in the first grade, and my tia Rosario told me this story.
My tia Rosario was, she's not my tia, but, like, we were very close. So, like, they're family. Right. You know what I'm saying, that type of shit. And she was actually in the car with my mother when she passed, and, you know, they were tight, man.
And she told me that I was failing every class in the first grade, and all her and her friends were like, Sophia, he failing in the first grade? Like, what the fuck going on? He's failing. Stop. You know?
And she was like, fuck that school. My son's going to be a rapper. My dad would wake me up before school at, like, 4 or 5 o'clock in the morning, when I was in the seventh grade, and he'd wake me up.
I'd be like, man, I got to get ready for school. And he's like, fuck school. You ready to get down there, whoop-ass? And he wasn't saying fuck school. because, like, you know what I'm saying, because he always pressed, like, being good and getting knowledge, you know what I'm saying?
But, like, he knew I didn't give a fuck. He knew I was just saying that, so he's like, in his mind, he's like, motherfucker, you're going to get up and come down here and rap, you know? Because he would party every night, and he had the shit that people wanted, and women wanted to be with him, and men wanted to be him. So every night after they'd get done partying, Monday through Sunday, he would always bring the party back home, and he would have me a house full of women, women sitting on the fucking stairs, lined up, one sitting on the refrigerator. We had two.
I had a master of, and he was mixed with Prescanaria. I think I said that right. His name was Bronson, like Charles Bronson. He was Brindle, and his eyes were orange, lit up. Orange.
Just a beast. And I could see the house, and we were living in a duplex, so then it looked like it's even more crowded, you know? And my dad would play, like, a ghetto boys beat, which is, like, five minutes fucking long, if you don't know. So I'm about two, three minutes in, and he's like, what the fuck you slowing down, for? The beat ain't over.
And I had to jump back on and not eat these grown-ass men alive.
Alive.
And how were you writing your raps back then? Were you writing them in your head, or were you writing them down?
No, everything was on a pad. I had everything in notebooks. I was supposed to be taking notes in school, and I'm writing, you know? I didn't do anything else except for write, draw, or read.
So from the beginning, that's what you wanted?
It's not what I wanted. It's what my mama wanted. I don't even think I still know what I want to this day. I think I just want to be okay. I don't even give a fuck about this money, the fame.
I don't give a fuck about it. I love the music because, I mean, I'm blessed, and I'm grateful for it. I cherish it because, like, it's my living, and I'm comfortable off of it. This is what my mama wanted. You know what I'm saying?
So to this day, you're not sure that that's what you want?
I don't think it is. I think what I want is just love. I missed out on a lot of love. I want a family. I just want to be okay.
You know what I'm saying? I just want a simple life.
I think that happens to a lot of people when they get pushed into something at a really young age. You hear that with a lot of athletes, a lot of young fighters, a lot of young football players. They're just like, I never knew what I wanted to do. They told me what I wanted to do. And then here I am successful.
I guess this is all right, but am I even me? I'm a product.
Correct. I feel like I'm definitely me, but this was definitely for my mama.
It worked out.
Yeah, definitely.
Think of how happy she'd be right now.
Man, bro, and that's one thing I've always—I just want to see her jam my music. Because I remember being in the backseat watching her jam, Ashanti and Ja Rule, and I remember her body language. I remember seeing her move. I remember her beautiful smile when she would sing. And I'm like, damn, I wish I could see her sing my music.
Wow. I know she would. And I ain't. no bullshit. Everything I'm talking about is solid.
So I know she would feel it even more, like, damn, I sound gangster.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I know she would love it, bro.
Well, that's a beautiful thing, though. Yeah. It's kind of amazing. Yeah. I mean, you think about how many people you touch and inspire, and how many people love your music, how many people you excite.
Correct. You excite people. Those songs come on, people get excited. Correct. She would be very happy of that.
Yeah, no, it's a blessing, man. And my father, he tells me all the time, like, man, this shit started in the kitchen. Right before I walked onto the rodeo stage, he said, son, you're still in the kitchen. Wow. And I was like, I know.
That's cool. Yeah.
You're in the kitchen, but now there's millions of people in it.
Yeah. Isn't that wild? Yeah, no, it's beautiful, man. How old are you? I just turned 25 February 6th.
Damn, you're just a baby.
Yeah.
Just a young man.
I'm trying. We're getting there.
That's amazing.
Yep, yep, yep.
When did things really start popping for you?
I would definitely, I don't know, because I feel like every time I drop something, I always had good motion. Like, I dropped a music video called Plan C in, like, 2018, 2019, which is a lot, but it's not a lot. And it hit, like, 30K and got stuck. Now it's at, like, 40K. It might be more now.
I think it took a little while, but it was, like, at 40K and got stuck. Which is, like I said, a lot, but not a lot. But I'm from the country, and, like, I'm just a kid in the country. Slash the hood. There wasn't no promo, no, nothing.
Like, I just made a video, and I'm doing music because my uncle's got a studio in the house. So, of course, I'm going to be doing music. I'm fucked up on drugs. I don't want no job. I don't want to be around.
nobody. I'm finna do this. And then one day, my cousin, he had a homeboy, and he heard the song. He was like, bro, I want to jump on it. Let me jump on it.
So I was like, fuck it. You know, jump on it. And then he was like, man, I got a homeboy. I got a buddy, and he be shooting videos. I was like, shit.
Fuck it. What else is there to do? You know what I'm saying? And we shot the video. We're all doing this just for the fun of it.
Like, there's nothing else to do. And just dropped it, and it went good. Then I dropped another song called La Muerte, maybe about two years after that. And when I dropped La Muerte, that's when I was like, all right. I think it was, like, 2021, maybe 2020..
That's when I was like, yeah. Like, I could do something with this. Because I'm not rapping no more. I'm actually making songs. There's a difference between rapping and making music.
And I think when I wrote La Muerte, that's when I was like, yeah. I think I could do it.
Wow.
Yeah. Like it too? Yeah, exactly. La Muerte. That's right there.
That's my grandma's house and my grandpa's house right in the back. That's out of country.
And how old are we in this?
When did this video drop? Three years ago. Oh, OK. No, I reposted it on there. So it's about five years ago.
I was maybe like 20, right there. 20 sound right.
So your whole life, you've been on this path.
Yeah, correct. And you want to know what's crazy? Some people that I talked to back then in the country, and they're like, bro,
I've always looked at you as a rapper. Even kids in school, people at school that I talked to, like, man, you just always had a rapper. Like, I've always just looked at you as a rapper. You know what I'm saying? Even in kids at school, like, oh, yeah, he's a rapper.
You know, like, bro, I was in Miss Terry's class in eighth grade, and everybody's getting certificates in school. And, you know, my buddy Brent, he's like most likely to go in the UFC, most likely to wear a red button-up shirt, most likely. And everybody's getting this stuff, and mines was most likely to be a rapper. So, like, everything was just, like, surrounded by it. You know what I'm saying?
Correct. Yeah. I remember being at school rapping at lunch, having the teachers and the kids surrounding me. The bells ringing, we supposed to go to the next class, and we still going headstrong. Wow.
You know? Like, I've always just had a crowd. I've always been the center of attention. I remember my nanny would take me to Palo Rojo to go school shopping when I was, like, eighth grade. I mean, eight years old, nine years old, ten years old, and I'm rapping to the people in Palo Rojo.
You know? There was a car show. My mother had just passed. I was probably, like, nine years old. My cousin Daniel took me to this car show.
Slim, Thug, Zero, and Paul Wall and them were on stage performing. And while they're on stage performing, you know, the car show's going over here, and then they got a bunch of vendors in their pop-ups, and this one dude has a microphone at his pop-up, and he's trying to sell shit. Oh, this and that. Yeah. Woo-woo.
And I ended up grabbing his mic, and I start rapping to Zero and them performing live on stage. I don't even think they know this, though. I've never even told them that shit.
But, yeah, bro, I was rapping to Paul Wall, Slim, Thug, and Zero on stage live, while I was probably, like, nine years old. Wow. You know? I'm seeing all these women, you know what I'm saying, wearing booty shorts and these crop tops, and I'm seeing all these dudes, and they just look clean with the chaise, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, like, I'm in here.
You know what I'm saying?
At nine.
Yeah, shit was cool. Wow. Yeah.
What were your first influences musically?
Definitely whatever. my mama was jamming. She was jamming to Ashanti and Ja Rule. My dad was jamming everything. My dad was jamming, like, fucking All Springs, fucking Tool.
He was jamming Three Day Grace, fucking all that shit, you know what I'm saying? Oh, just mix it up. Yeah. And then my mama's side of the family, they all gangsters and, like, chola, so it was, like, gangster rap music and then, like, some Latino music. And then my dad's side of the family, they're all cowboys, so I'm jamming country and shit like that.
Then I go with my dad, and he's jamming rock and all this extra shit. So, like, I just got to. And then, once I got older and started discovering music on my own, you know what I'm saying? I've already, like, rock and rap, to Latino music, to country, so, like, how farther can I go with this? And now my taste in music is just all out jam music.
I don't even know the language to it, but if I feel it, I feel it. Yeah. I feel it. I think that's why it's easy for me to just jump in any genre and dominate, because I can feel it and put me in it.
Right. You don't have a restriction in your head of what you can do. Correct.
Yeah.
Well, that's Cowboy Killer. Correct. And I think that's one of the reasons why I resonate with so many people, because it's just fun and it's like, what is this guy doing here, man?
This is crazy. But it don't sound forced either.
It also doesn't sound like anybody else. Like, you, don't sound like anybody else. I mean, you never hear people. I play that, and people go, who the fuck is that? Yeah.
Like, they get interested. Like, this is different.
Thank you.
It's beautiful when something comes along that just resonates like that. Like, there's so many influences out there. So when someone comes along, you're like, wow, that's a different vibe.
Stevie was definitely my influences for music, like Cowboy Killer. Yeah? Yeah. Stevie, Ray Vaughan, he was a white boy. After every show, he'd be like, muchas gracias, and walk off.
Yeah? Yeah. My grandpa, he said he used to be on acid at his shows in Austin all the time.
He performed at my club. We have a photo of him on stage at my club from 1983.. Are you shitting me?
Holy fuck, that's sick.
When you walk towards the club, when you're downstairs and you're walking towards the stage, there's a photo on the side of the wall, there's two of them, of Stevie Ray Vaughan on stage at the theater.
You a bad motherfucker, Joe.
We got lucky with that. We got lucky with that. I didn't even know the history of the place until I bought it. What was it? At one point in time, it was the Ritz Theater on 6th Street.
Oh, that's sick. So one point in time, it was the Alamo Draft House. There it is. That's the photo we have.
Wow. Look at him.
It was a rock and roll club. It was a punk rock club. It was a nudie movie theater. It was a pool hall.
Wow. So it's already been known for just being the spot.
Yeah, that's it right there. Wow. So it was always a cool spot.
That's sick.
And now it's my comedy club. That's sick. But there's certain old places where you walk in them and you can feel the memories in the walls. I think buildings have memory. I think that's why people don't want to buy a house where someone was murdered in.
Yeah, I think buildings have memory. I think things have memory. Yeah. I really do. There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake.
I forget what his discipline is. I think he's an evolutionary biologist or something like that. I forget what he does. But anyway, he's got this theory about memory and that we have this idea that we are the only things that have memory. But he thinks that everything has memory.
And you agree? Yeah. He's a psychology researcher. He proposes the concept of morphic resonance, a conjecture that lacks mainstream acceptance. He gets criticized as being kind of a loon, but he's got some really fucking interesting ideas, and he's a brilliant guy.
He just thinks outside the box. And one of the things he thinks is that everything has some sort of a memory to it. He's not the only one that thinks that.
I want to understand him. This table is going to—.
It can't tell you things. Of course. But this table is different because of all the people that have been in this room talking. Correct. And I think there's something real to that.
Yeah. So when I say I agree, I feel like I agree because words are powerful. Yeah.
Experiences are powerful. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Everything's powerful. Like, words.
facilitate experiences, right? You go on stage and you're killing it, and everybody in the audience is jamming out. That's an experience, you know? And then, when they go back to that place, maybe they'll go back and it'll be empty someday. Like, ah, I saw that Mexican O.T.
here right here.
Yeah.
I was standing right here, and you feel it.
Yeah.
I think that's why, when you go by your old high school, you go by your old high school, you feel like a loser again. Like, ooh. Yeah. It makes me feel like I felt when I was 16..
Yeah.
There's something about that. And I know that's a psychological connection that you have, but I also think that high school's got the memories of a bunch of confused, fucked-up kids that didn't know what to do with their life. And they were buckwild and yelling and screaming and school fights and all the chaos. I think it's burned into the walls. Yeah.
I really believe that.
Yeah, I can agree with that. That sounds crazy. I've never heard it, but I actually love that.
I think that's what haunted houses are. What? Yeah. I think ghosts are real, but I think what a ghost is, is if someone gets brutally murdered in a building. Imagine if there's a house and some husband comes home and brutally murders his wife in that.
Nobody wants to buy that fucking house.
Correct.
Nobody wants to buy that house. He stabbed her a hundred times in the kitchen. Nobody wants that house. Right. You've got to level that house to the ground, and still people don't want that land.
Correct.
It's just too fucked up.
Correct.
I think when something truly horrific happens, the experience is so intense and extreme that that energy creates a void. Yeah, correct. And you feel that void when you're there. And I think if you're in the right state of mind and you're in a house where someone fell down a flight of stairs and snapped their neck and was in horror, you would feel it.
Yeah, I do agree.
You would feel it. And you might feel them. Their experience might be recorded in a way where it has a little flashback. Yeah.
You're like, what the fuck is going on? You turn the lights on. No one's there. Fuck.
Yeah. Fuck all that, man. Yeah. I do agree, though. And I know I've always believed in God and things like that, because I grew up non-denominational.
My nanny always prayed and things like that. But what made me full-on, believe it in spirits and knowing that it's here, was I seen bad first. And I was like, well, fucking yin and yang, you know? Yes and no, on and off. There's bad.
There's got to be good.
And after that, that's when I've been full-on prayed up and full-on been trying to get better with the message, you know? Because we got to be ready for that talk, you know? Mm-hmm. But, yeah. It gets wicked, though, definitely.
This. other thing that makes me uncomfortable as I get older is I realize that there probably has to be evil in order for good to exist. There's some weird – with human beings, there's some very weird balance, very weird balance of good and evil. And it's just like you don't appreciate sunshine unless it rains. You live in L.A., you're always used to the sun.
The sun's bullshit. Nobody gives a fuck about that sun. But, man, if you live in Portland, the day it's sunny out, you're like, oh, you're out in the park with a coffee. Oh, this is beautiful. Feel that sun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It feels so good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I think we need a balance. And, unfortunately, one of the things that creates more good is evil, because someone has to combat that good or combat that evil. And the way you combat that evil is become a better person, become great, become something special.
I like it.
I think that's real. And it's like there's so much evidence of it. If you look at human beings, there's never been a time where there haven't been evil people, ever.
No, correct.
There's not like one society where everybody figured it out and everybody was cool.
Yeah, correct.
And if there are, it lasts like a couple years and then it falls apart, you know.
I think, uh, no. What? I do want to tell you this, though, before I forget. The wolves you got out there, have you ever seen the movie Creep?
Creep?
Yeah, it's a fucking scary-ass movie. When was that movie from? How long ago? I don't know, maybe like 2017, 2016, maybe?
I don't think I saw it.
Yeah, I would highly advise it. Yeah, it reminds me of Peach Fuzz.
Peach Fuzz?
You just gotta watch it. I wouldn't even want to ruin it for you, you know. I don't know if you like movies or not, but, bro, it's an amazing movie.
That wolf out there, that's from the American Werewolf in London.
Oh, okay, shit.
Yeah, you ever see that movie?
No, I haven't.
Oh, look at this thing. Yes, Peach, Fuzz, holy fuck! Oh, that's hilarious.
Bro, please watch it.
Oh, so that guy's the villain? So he's a bad guy with a wolf mask on?
He's not, yeah, I mean, yeah, but you just gotta watch it.
Okay.
He's throwed off, man.
He drives around like that?
You gotta watch it, bro.
Oh, they're doing a Creep 2.. Yeah, they did. They did a Creep 2?. Yeah, they did do a Creep 2. 2014,, Creep 2, 2017..
There you go. Underrated horror movie.
So, Creep 2 is alright, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of like Grease. Like, they should have just left it alone with the first one. What? Yeah.
Kind of like Rambo.
Correct. It was a Rambo 2?.
This is like three or four Rambos. How many Rambos have there been? A lot. I think there's even a new one coming out. Apparently, the last one is hilarious.
Really?
Yeah, my friend Joey Diaz saw the last one. He said, dude, it's a comedy.
Wow.
You gotta watch this. Sylvester Stallone is 80 years old. He's killing everybody.
What?
He's fucking everybody up and shooting everybody. He kills like 150 people. Apparently, it's ridiculous.
You ever seen Badass with Machita?
Badass.
Yeah, he's like the grandpa and he got caught whooping these dudes on camera and he went viral for it. Then he becomes like a hometown hero.
When was that movie?
Damn. 2012..
I don't think I saw that either.
I ain't gonna lie. I've seen a lot of movies. From 20 Yards Road? Yeah, that's what I was doing, watching. My mama had like, so we had the TV and then there was a big ass entertainment center surrounding it and it was just filled with movies.
DVDs, VHS's. down here in the middle. I remember watching Monkey Bone on VHS.
Oh, wow. That's an old one.
Yeah, Monkey. I've been trying to shoot a video like that. I like Monkey Bone. Whoopi Goldberg's in it and all that.
Yeah.
Land of the Nightmares.
It's funny how Scarface became like the gangster movie. Like the gangster movie.
Everybody knew all the words to Scarface.
You know what I think is like the most gangster-ist movie ever? What? Apocalypto.
Oh, that's a good one.
Bro.
That's a good one.
My favorite part is when he escapes them and he goes back in his jungle and he's like, this is my jungle. Yeah. And then these guys get knocked off one by one. Yeah. That shit's wicked, man.
I like that shit.
That's a wicked movie, man. That's a wicked movie.
I like that one.
That was back when Mel Gibson, like everybody's, like, Mel Gibson's, fucking crazy.
Really? Yeah. They thought of him like that?
Yeah, he got pulled over. He was drunk and said a bunch of wild shit about Jews.
Wow.
Then the cops had it recorded. Damn. Yeah.
I feel like lately I've been hearing everybody talk shit about Jews.
Crazy. It's popular these days. It's popular these days. It's because of what's going on in Gaza.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
It's the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
Oh, yes, bro. Hey, I ain't gonna lie. I know she scared the fuck out of them.
Bro. This movie recently described as just like it's a nonstop chase, which it kind of is. Kind of is. But it's fucking good.
It was a nonstop chase.
The whole movie is a chase scene? Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sometimes it's just a scene in a movie, but it's like the whole movie. It was a brutal fucking movie, too. Bro. Woo. Yo, you know what's good?
Have you seen Shogun? That series? that's on FX?
Nah, I can't get into series. Oh, man. Yeah, it's good? This one's good.
Wow. This one's good. Wow. This is on Japan in the 1600s, and these dudes are starving at sea, and their boat washes ashore. In Japan, they get captured, and they kill a couple of them, and this one dude.
I don't want to spoil it for you, but it's just like showing you the reality. It's very well done. Yeah. The reality of life in Japan, in Osaka, in 1600.. It's a fucking incredible, incredible series.
It's so well done.
This is it right here.
Yeah, they did it in Shogun.
Oh, I feel like I've seen commercials of it.
Yeah, it's new. It's still airing. I think they've only aired three episodes so far.
Maybe four by now. Okay, so you're into this. How'd you feel about Ip Man?
I didn't watch Ip Man. I mean, I knew the history of Ip Man, which I think it's kind of based on, who's Bruce Lee's Wing Chun instructor, but I don't get into those kind of movies that much. Yeah. Those kind of kung fu movies. Yeah.
Because too much of my analytical brain for fighting is like, why are you fighting like this? Just grab that dude. Kick his legs out from under him. Take him down. Strangle him.
This is stupid. This is stupid.
Why are you guys standing here in front of each other, doing this shit?
Yeah, I dig it. I dig it. It just looked cool. It does look cool. My dad always called it pretty fighting.
Yeah. I could never get into kung fu movies. A lot of my friends were into kung fu movies. I'd go, but I didn't get into them. Scary movies.
How do you feel about scary movies? I love scary movies. That's where I'm at. Like, bro, it's almost like weed, ain't enough, no more. I need meth.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Damn. Because, like, bro, I was already watching scary movies with my mama. Like, that was her favorite.
So, like, now, I don't even want a scary movie. I want something that's, like, disturbing.
Well, what is that one movie where that dude wears, like, a clown face and kills everybody?
Bro, you got to watch Creep. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Creep's a good one.
But this one's like that, too. I will watch Creep, for sure. There's some fucking... It's, like, real, gruesome, horrible shit. Ooh.
And the dude dresses like a clown. They made a couple of them. Terrifier.
That's right. That's my dad's favorite. That's crazy, bro. Like, my dad, wants him tatted on him. His name's Art the Clown.
Your dad wants him tatted on him? That's amazing. Yes. Pull a video. Pull a clip up of Terrifier.
This motherfucker's legitimately terrifying, too.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. And he'd just be smiling. Yeah.
Look at...
You seen how he fucking cut homegirl from the push down? Yeah, not nice.
Cut her in two. Really not a nice thing to do.
Ooh. Look at them, teeth.
But it's funny how people disrespect him. They think he's funny. They think he's silly. Like, look at you, you fucking loser.
Yeah, that's really what it is.
Yeah. They always have to disrespect him first. And then they're like, get away, you fucking stupid clown. Makes. you know he's...
Then that 16-year-old feeling comes back.
Yeah, they're just chopping him up. Look.
He's like, oh, you finna die, bitch.
Makes Pennywise look like Krusty.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Oh, shit.
Yeah. It's a crazy movie, man.
Rob Zombie was also gnarly, too.
Oh, yeah.
I was a big fan of his work. Yeah, he's a cool dude. I got to meet him.
Yeah. Yeah, I did a podcast with him back in the day.
Sick. How was he?
He's great. Great, great. I believe it. It's so interesting that that guy got really into making horror movies, too. Yeah.
You know? And he does those same kind of movies. Like, really fucked up, slashing.
I feel like he had the best Halloween, too.
Yeah, he had a really good Halloween.
For sure.
How many of those have there been?
Oh, too many.
There's been so many of those movies.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of the scary movies now are a little lame, just because they just make them complete fucking studs. It's more of like an action movie for the scary killer. Yeah. Like, he just comes in and just fucking fucks shit up. Goes ape shit.
Like, bro, I want to be scared. You know? I don't want to see him fucking, take on a whole army. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. It's an action movie.
I prefer action movies. A good one. Really? Yeah, a good action movie.
What's a good action movie?
Well, a stupid, good action movie, it's good, but it's not realistic, is John Wick.
Yeah. That's a great one. You need to watch Avengement.
Yeah? Avengement? What's Avengement?
It's about, it's, I personally, like, I always say that he, I ain't going to say he'd whoop John Wick, but he'd put John Wick in a fight. Really? For sure.
Have you seen, Sisu?
Sisu? No, I haven't.
Sisu is about a dude in World War II. that's basically like a John Wick in World War II. Wow. And he kills like a hundred Nazis by himself. It's fucking amazing.
That's sick. It's amazing.
Yeah, it sounds sick.
It's a real good movie, too. It's real well done. Sisu. Sisu. It's, what is it, is it, what country?
I think? so. Yeah, I think you're right.
Yeah, no, fucking Avengement, I forgot what his name was, but like, he was a fighter, like, and he and his brother was, you know, doing some gangster shit, and he ended up going down for his brother and fucking, yup, right here. He's in UK.
Avengement.
The prison that he's in is so, they call it the meat grinder. Yo, I'm talking about just fucking, fucking shit up, bro.
Hit him with a napalm.
He's like, he's like, yeah, bro, he was like, he was like, you. just gotta callous the mind and callous, like, bro, he was like, man, he's a badass. Look at him. Then that's when he escapes prison, and he, and he, and you know what's my favorite part about him? What?
His heart. Why he does everything that he does in this movie. Why's that? You just gotta watch it.
I always feel like I'm being conned when a movie does that, when there's like a hitman with a heart of gold, I'm like, shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. I know what you're doing, bitch. I'm not 12..
Yeah, of course. Yeah, he definitely was doing to be a savage, but, like, you know, you might as well end on some good shit.
Yeah, but you know, like, there's always like the guy who's the contract killer, but you know, he has rules. The person has to be guilty. They have, you know, it's like a whole thing.
Yeah, for sure.
You know, that's like the gray man.
The outfit. Have you seen the outfit? That's another good one. My dad just put me on that one. It's like some like old school gangster time, where they wear suits and shit.
Mobsters more. I think that's more gangster than me. Like, I've always been into the mobs, more than like some gangbangers. Yeah, for sure. Like, it's just player movies.
Yeah, correct. Like The Godfather and all that. Even The Goodfellas and things like that. It's just player to me. Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, there's something about it. That lifestyle is so appealing to some people that feel like their life is mundane and boring. You know, like that's why The Sopranos was so good. Yeah. Tony Soprano was a straight up murderer and he was the hero.
He killed Christopher Moltisanti in his fucking Cadillac Escalade seat.
Jesus.
He just killed him right next to him. He was a killer, but you liked him.
Yeah.
He was a liar, a killer, a thief.
Who were the two brothers? The two brothers, I think it was based on a true story too. They were like from Germany, or something. The Krays from England.
Was that it? Yeah.
The Krays, bro. Just from the actors in the movie, they look like brutes.
They were brutes.
Yeah, I believe it.
Bro, England didn't play. Bro, that's what I'm saying.
People think about England, they're like fish and chips and fucking tea, cheerio. Yeah, nah. There's hood everywhere, bro. It fucked me up when I saw there was hood outside of Bay City, because I thought Bay City was like the only hood in the whole world.
The Kray twins were running. Look at those two, bro. Are they from Liverpool? What part of England were they from?
They look like they'll smack the shit out of you.
Yeah, they'll fucking stab you right in the dick.
Where's my crumpet?
Where are these guys from?
They look like they just look like fucking brutes.
Yeah, mostly in the east end of London from the late 50s until their arrest in 1968.. Damn, so, they ran shit for 18 years.
That's a good run.
Yeah. The movie's crazy, too.
Yeah, it is.
The movie apparently is not too... Yeah, they didn't take any liberties. It's basically the story, I believe. Let's see. Yeah.
Again, it's weird. we like movies about bad people. There's something about that. Strange.
Yeah, because I...
Sicario.
I don't know that one.
Oh, you never saw Sicario? Dude, that's a great fucking movie.
Put me on. Show me real quick.
That's Benicio Del Toro, man. That's a great fucking movie. Sicario was all about Mexican assassins.
Wow.
Yeah, dude.
Sicario.
Emily Blunt, Benicio Del Toro, it's a good fucking movie. Whoa. And Taylor Sheridan did it, the guy who did Yellowstone.
Oh, you know, Ryan Bingham?
Mm-hmm.
I fucking met him at the rodeo. He fucks with me.
Oh, really? Oh, that's cool. Everybody fucks with you, dude, once they hear you. Yeah, right, right. This is a good fucking movie, man.
It's heavy.
Nah, that shit looks gnarly.
Yeah, it's a heavy movie.
Yeah. Did you see The Last Purge? It made me think of The Last Purge.
No, I don't like those Purge movies.
No? Why?
Because I get prepared. When I see Purge movies, I start fucking loading magazines.
I feel like we're close to it.
We could be close to it. I never felt that until the George Floyd riots. Really? Yeah, the George Floyd riots. Here's the thing about riots.
This is my feeling.
Okay.
I support your right to protest. Great. But I'm not going to one of those. You know why? Because I think protests are a lot like war.
I think there's a mode inside the human brain. Let me explain to you. You ever catch a fish? You know, when you catch a fish, the moment that fish is on the line, your whole body gets excited.
Like, oh, shit. Oh, shit.
That is an ancient thing. that is in us because it used to be that was survival.
Survival mode.
If you caught that fish, your family was going to have food. That's why you get so excited.
Wow.
I think when people are on the ground marching and they're all together and they're all chanting, that brings war.
Oh, shit. It does.
It excites that feeling. just the way catching a fish excites that feeling. Yeah. I think it excites that feeling of war. Yeah.
And when you're like, no more Trump. Yeah. No more Trump.
Whatever the fuck it is. Black lives matter.
Whatever it is. Yeah. You're looking for someone to say it doesn't matter. You're looking for someone. Right.
It's not just a protest. You are stimulating those thoughts of war. You're marching on the ground with your fellow soldiers. Yeah. They even call each other comrades.
Yeah.
There's a lot of wild shit that's involved in protest that excites people in a very dangerous way.
Yeah. No. Yeah. Definitely. I agree, man.
Mob mentality.
That's what mob mentality is.
Yeah.
People always talk about mob mentality. If there's something happens, there's a mob of people. People will do wild shit that they will never do normally, because that excites the war gene. There's a war gene inside of us because every human being has survived war. If you're alive today, that means your genetics survived war.
That means somewhere down the line, whether it's bows and arrows or rifles or whatever, if you got to 2024, if your genes got to 2024, for sure, there's some war in those genes.
Damn. Yeah. What the fuck?
Yeah. Damn. That's why I will not go to protest. You see, if there's a protest, I'm getting the fuck out of there.
Yeah. It's going to get wicked.
Because it could get wicked. It might not.
I never thought of how you said that, though. That's crazy. I like that. It's war.
Yeah. War is inside of us. Your body knows when you go to war, you have to switch gears. You have to switch gears, and that's where mob mentality, ... That's when you beat someone to death with a rock in front of everybody.
You would never do that. It was just you and that person. There's something about that experience of being around a lot of people that are all being hostile and all excited together that just fires up parts of people. Also, you feel kind of like a badass, because you're a part of a gang.
Yeah. I think it's a comfort in knowing that there's a bunch of you, knowing you can't lose.
Which is also like war.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Damn. Fuck. Fuck, dude. I just want to love.
Yeah. Well, that's a better way to live, for sure, but you also have a lot. now. That's the thing. Once you have a lot, you're like, you know what?
I just want to love. But when you don't have a lot, and you're like, all these motherfuckers have a lot now.
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