JRE MMA Show #141 with Mike Perry
2023-06-21 01:48:44
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Yes, sir.
What's happening? Good to see you, brother.
Alright, great to be here.
You want some coffee?
Sure, yeah. Sure, I'll take some. Alright.
Dude, you have had a fascinating renaissance. Cheers, sir.
Cheers, brother.
Hot as fuck.
This bare knuckle boxing thing has been fascinating to watch, man. Because it's like someone designed the perfect sport for you. You know what I mean?
Yes.
Like you, are particularly well suited for that. And I find it so fascinating. Because there's a certain, and I really wanted to ask you about this. Because there's a certain something that applies to bare knuckle fighting.
It's like there's a pain and there's a danger and there's a wildness of it. That even some very great fighters, they get to a certain, they're in there and they're like, I don't like this. They're too used to gloves, they're too used to whatever they're used to. They don't want that experience once they find it, once they're in there. But you seem to thrive on it.
You know, it's just a real fight to me. Even though, I mean, I still go to the gym and I do MMA with the guys. I love boxing, so much, though. It's my forte. It's like what I'm good at.
Because I'm cool to take a punch, get hit. That's fine. I'll take a hit to land a better one on you. And in bare knuckle, I mean, there's a lot of opportunity to fight guys who... I mean, I did fight Julian Lane, who had experience in it.
He had nine fights in it when we fought. And then I fought two guys who hadn't done it yet. So, you know...
But it's just like, let's talk about those two guys. First of all, Michael Venom Page. That guy is super talented.
Yeah.
I mean, he's extraordinary. When you watch him fight in MMA, and he's a guy that I kind of predicted one day. I was like, the one skill that you don't see a lot of in MMA is this crazy blitz point fighting style. Because those guys can cover crazy distances. Those are those really good point fighters.
And he was a really good point fighter. And he was the first guy that kind of showed how that style could apply in MMA. He's so elusive and so hard to hit. And, you know, you just put it on him.
Well, it was different, you know. It's different. It was boxing. Yeah. I mean, he beat a couple guys.
boxing. Yeah. But it's... I mean, because he's good MMA. After I beat him, I thought, you know, maybe they'll try to make that fight happen in MMA now.
But I do feel like I would overpower him grappling-wise. But his legs are very dangerous. I mean, that last guy, he thought he kicked him in the leg and it was over.
Yeah, he's very dangerous. The knockout of Cyborg was fucking crazy.
Yeah. That was crazy. The poking ball. Yeah, it was crazy.
I mean, he caved his forehead in.
With his legs. That's what I'm saying. His legs are dangerous. Incredible. It's interesting to me to want, you know.
I'm hungry for fights. I want to fight all these motherfuckers.
Well, I think with a guy like that. It's funny. I was watching Stylebender was on Andrew Schultz's podcast. And they were talking about him boxing some days. Like boxing is too limited.
It's too limited a fight. You think about a guy like him who applies this full, wild range of things. Especially with Michael Venom Page. Because he's so good at closing distance and kicking you and kneeing you. And the knee, the timing of that knee.
I mean, magnificent, right? Yeah. And when you take all that away and you only have these. It's a big difference.
Yeah.
It's a gigantic difference. It's so interesting to me.
But I have the same difference. And I like it. I like it. It fits me. I mean, I did boxing.
I had one pro boxing match. I'm still 0-1 as a professional boxer. But then I did that Triller thing in the triangle. And I fought Michael Seals, who was 27-3 in a mixed boxing match with a turtleback MMA glove.
And, you know, I won. I mean, I just put the pressure on him the whole time.
With a turtleback MMA glove?
Turtleback, or like the training MMA gloves. Oh, okay. But it was like while Metallica was playing. Oh, yeah. Here it is.
Oh, so they're like kind of big MMA gloves.
He was 27-3 as a professional boxer. He dropped me like once. They counted it once. He dropped me. Another time.
I got hit in the back of the head and the ref saw it. And I went down a little bit, but I got right back up.
So what is the biggest difference about Bare Knuckle? For you.
I've learned, though. So, like when I fought Julian Lane, his little head hurt my hands. Because a lot of time with boxing gloves on, your hands are like open. And you try to close it at the right time. But, you know, if you do that, Bare Knuckle.
Because you know how, if you're squeezing your fists, it's a little harder to move. You're kind of tense. But in Bare Knuckle, you have to learn how to move while you're tense. And keep your hands closed. Because with gloves, you can block a shot like this.
But in Bare Knuckle, you got to be closed up. Tight. And squeezing your fists so hard. So that when you hit them in the head, you don't destroy your hand.
Yeah, there's like. there's three levels of vulnerability. And the level number one is like you would see a lot of the glory guys. They keep their hands in a shell. Like Alistair Overeem.
Or, you know, like Badr Hari. Those guys would shell up. They shell up. But they have those big ass gloves. And you see that when they come to MMA, some of those shots sneak through.
But then Bare Knuckle, it's another level of sneaking through. It's a totally different. It's really interesting to watch a really good fighter like Luke Rockhold. You know, and you. And, you know, Luke Rockhold is very skillful.
He's a very skillful guy. And when you were putting it on him, I was like this is a totally different thing. And you are like uniquely suited for this totally different thing. Thank you. Because it's different than regular boxing, man.
Remember when Paulie Malignaggi fought Artem Lobov?
Well, Paulie, I mean, he's a scrawny dude. And Lobov was just a little dog. He's a dog. Yeah. That dude's an animal.
It was a good fight, to be honest. But the jabbing and moving that Paulie did didn't work for him. And Luke, I don't know. You know, that's kind of what we were talking about when you brought up Luke. We were talking about.
I was talking about the tight fist and like how Bare Knuckle is different. And it's like I figured out how to utilize the Bare Knuckle. I mean, I knocked his teeth out. I hit him by the time I caught him. And then he was like, I'm not trying to get hit like that again.
It was a matter of time. The gap was closing. It takes a second. He hit me, too. And I told him, I bet it.
I haven't talked to him about it or asked him, because I don't. I mean, you know, he lost or whatever. So, I don't talk to losers. But I try to do. what winners do, man.
I try to think about winners. But when I hit him with that shot and he didn't want to get hit again. He had hit me. I got a little knot on my face right there. But I took it and I bet it hurt him.
I bet it hurt his hand. I told him before the fight, you're going to punch me in the head. It's going to be the hardest thing you ever hit. And then I'm going to headbutt you in your hands. And I'm going to punch you in your face.
And you're going to quit. And that's what he did.
Wow.
Yeah, it's good stuff, man.
It's a different thing, man. It's a different thing.
I think I can do it in any gloves, though. Any sport. I could fight. in the UFC. I have a mindset.
And I fight with these guys. I do MMA. I see your belt on the wall in there when I went and did the cold plunge. It's like a red belt or a black belt with red stripes.
That's John Jock's belt.
That's not your belt?
No, no. It's John Jock Machado. When he got his coral belt, he gave some of them out to some of his students.
Man, dudes like that, you know. Coral belt stuff. I'm going to chase back my black belt. I'm a purple belt, four-stripe. for years now.
Could have been had my brown belt. I got great jiu-jitsu. I train with some of the best jiu-jitsu practitioners. I just choose to sprawl and brawl. I like to punch people.
I think it's the best off button. I enjoy it. And it's exciting. It's the entertainment business, right? So, you know, I fucking lost my...
There's something to be said? for that, for sure. I mean, look, people love to watch you fight.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
I was always a giant fan.
Oh, that's what my point was.
Yeah, you have wild fights, man.
I will fight anyone, anywhere. I would love to. Please, give me opportunities. I want to show and be. I want to be a fucking coral belt in my own right, in my own way.
And people know when Mike Perry walks down the street, it's like that's the baddest motherfucker that ever lived, dude. Mike Perry, they're going to talk about me just like they did Mike Tyson. I feel like Mike Tyson. I feel different. I'm better.
What changed in you? How did you come into your own? Because you were always a really good fighter. But it seems like over the last few years, you're on a completely different level.
I have a family. I love them so much.
I'm a human. I fuck up. I make mistakes and shit. But I know I don't give up. I keep going.
And I push. And I took David Goggins-type shit. It's like I stopped making fucking excuses.
Because I'm hurt all the time. I'm always fucking hurt. I don't care. I'm like, all right, fuck it. I got to wake up every day and feel this shit.
You can't fucking hurt me because I'm in enough pain. I take anything you got and give it back. That's fighting. And I do it for fighting. I love fighting.
That's my shit. Even though it hurts, it fucked my face up. It's a love-hate relationship. My family can hurt my feelings too. So it's all emotional feelings.
And if you tell yourself just who cares. Like just no one cares about your problems or anything. So just handle your business.
When did you get into fighting? When did you get into martial arts?
I feel like, to be honest, I feel like it was September 15, 1991, the day I was born. But 11 years old, I was on YouTube doing videos, watching Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Jr. Going to school, bringing gloves or fighting kids on the block, in the grass, you know, with gloves, on. Busting kids up, older kids, kids, my age. It doesn't matter.
It's just always been a fun game. I played all sports. Basketball. Rode my bike 20 miles all over the streets. Times have changed.
Kids ain't out there like that, no more. I don't know. I'm surprised I didn't get kidnapped. I probably would have stabbed the guy trying to do it, though.
How many fights did you get in as a kid?
Oh, man. I remember my dad always saying, I'm 100-0 in these streets. I fought 200 times or something. I'm like, no, you didn't. I do.
I fight. Other than the streets, I mean, just my whole life. I spar every week, sometimes two or three or four times, sometimes every day.
Are you doing MMA sparring because you want to compete in MMA again? Are you doing it because you love it?
I want to fight people, and I want to be better than them.
In MMA, too?
Yeah. It's like I've had so much success with this bare-knuckle boxing. It's like, give me a challenge.
What do you think about bare-knuckle MMA? Because I know, I believe Jorge Masvidal's organization does that, right? Is that true?
Yeah, they do.
I think Jorge is a bare-knuckle MMA thing. What do you think about it? Because, like, why do we protect the knuckles of the hands when you don't protect all these other weapons? You don't protect elbows. You don't protect knees or shins, which are harder.
It's kind of crazy that the one thing that's padded is the one thing. You're kind of padding it because it's vulnerable. Well, you figured out a way to fight really at your best without that.
I feel like I don't want to use the glove as an excuse either, though, because I feel like in ways you can punch harder with a glove. You can throw a bigger shot with a glove.
No, for sure. No argument at all. It definitely protects your hands, and it's definitely safer for the fighter. But is it realistic? Like, why is this one thing encased?
Why are your hands encased?
Because boxing has been around for hundreds of years, and that's what we did.
I know, because it seems barbaric. It seems barbaric to be able to hit someone with bare knuckle, but that's the real thing. That's real, right? The knuckle thing is like this agreed-upon padding.
I mean, I'm looking into the business of bare knuckle. I want to do, like, a San Chao with a karate combat, five-second ground-and-pound, bare knuckle, allow elbows. Like, you know, PFL doesn't allow elbows, so that's weird. I want to, you know, why would you make a sport where you utilize your whole body and then you're going to cut off one of the biggest weapons? I've knocked people out with elbows.
Yeah.
What do you think of left way? They're using headbutts and elbows.
Is that a name of a?
It's a style of fight. It's like Muay Thai, but with, like, headbutts.
Oh, wow, headbutts. See, I've been told, or, you know, headbutts are kind of like, um, we don't go that far.
Yeah, he's amazing. This cat who's the king of left way is this wild dude who does headbutts in combinations.
Left way. is the sport? Yeah. Okay.
It's basically like a more brutal version of Muay Thai, where they allow headbutts.
Okay, that's cool.
They do it in Myanmar, and this dude is actually from Canada.
I've seen him before.
This guy fucks everybody up.
He headbutts the shit out of people.
He fucks everybody up.
I want to fight him.
He's a killer. That would be a wild fight.
That would be great.
Yeah, but this is the thing. It's like it's all bare knuckle, but headbutts, you're allowed to do a lot of shit. It looks like you can't hit the guy when he's down, but you can throw elbows and headbutts in combination, and everything's bare knuckle.
Yeah. Like I was saying, I want to challenge, because, I mean, the bare knuckle is still challenging, but I made it so easy last time. Luke Rocco didn't have a chance, and it seemed like I could have beaten him in MMA.
Do you think there's ever a... I mean, could it ever be possible that even boxing would go to no gloves? If people just decide they like bare knuckle more.
No, because there's this... There's this... What do you call it? Deep down into boxing, it has its own soul, and that's why it's been around for 200 years or more, and it's like when you... Speaking of boxing, T-Bud versus Spence.
Yeah, amazing. Coming up.
Amazing. What a fight. Yeah. I get goosebumps just thinking about that one.
Everything about it. Spence is Spence the same. since the car accident, even though he's had fights. I've seen him not paying attention in a fight with Ugas. Ugas was hitting him because he just was looking around in the ring, and then he's got T-Bud 39 and 0..
Yeah. That's insane. Insane. And he's a dog.
He's a dog, and he's the best switch hitter since Hagler.
They're going to fight.
That dude can fight so well.
And they hit so hard with the gloves, and their technique is so tight. They can't take their gloves off. The fight be over. That's the problem. These 12-round fights, these guys go at it for all 12..
And, you know.
Yeah. It's a different thing. It's just a totally different thing.
I guess you got to want a knockout or a technique, whichever one the fans want the most. If they like bare knuckle, I mean, they do.
It's just so different. There's just so much you could never get away with.
It's exciting, and it's fast-paced, and everything is like pushes. We go for it, so people enjoy watching it more than. You know, you're always at the fights. live. UFC, the best fights in the world, though.
It's got to be amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. You get the feel of everything. The crowd.
There's nothing like it.
The moments. I know. It's great.
There's nothing like being in the room when it's happening.
Shout out Philly Fresh. He fighting Jacksonville UFC event in Jacksonville, Florida, on the 24th. So in 10 days.
Who is he fighting? He's fighting.
It's a good fucking fight. Neil Magny. They're the same, you know? That's a good fight. Just comparison.
It's not racist. Like, you know, all the jokes in the comedy club.
They're both long.
Crazy. Not from you. Some of your other comics. It wasn't me. Hilarious, though.
Yeah. Funny dudes. Like, Neil Magny is a crazy gas tank. Crazy gas tank.
You know? I mean, he's proven. Neil Magny has proven by beating people that you didn't expect him to beat. Yeah. And he shows up in battles.
I mean, obviously, I'm rooting for my friend. Yeah. He's got great jujitsu.
Phil's on the rise, too, man.
And he is on the rise. And his mindset has been this focused mindset for the past couple years. He really, you know, we both kind of made a turn and a change. He's got a couple babies now. You know, we're growing up in this sport.
We've been doing this shit, for, honestly, I'm 31.. I've been doing this shit for 20 years.
Do you think that bare knuckle, like, that there's less of a length of your career? if you do bare knuckle? Is it more likely that you could get injured, like, you could hurt your hands? Or do you think that you could have the same length of career, bare knuckle as you can in, like, regular MMA?
I feel like I'm going to fight every day of my life forever, for the rest of time, that I am here on this earth because that is what I do. That is what I was put here to do. And it doesn't matter what you do for a living. You're fighting for something. Everyone's fighting.
I fight to get out of bed in the morning because my neck hurts. So, you know, and I'm going to keep fucking doing it every day forever until, you know, God bless my friend Michael Milmerstead and his family. He passed away. He's a great man. He's got three boys.
he left behind. I did a GoFundMe for the family. His wife got that. And, you know, boxing, you know, I did it to him. And you don't know what's – because he was so good.
He was such a great – he was a black belt in jujitsu. He's an MMA fighter, a cop, a SWAT member, and then just working out one day in boxing. And his brain was bleeding.
Oh, man.
It's insane. So it's like – Just from a sparring match? You know, I got to go 100% now.
Yeah.
Because you never know.
Goddamn.
And I've been in wars. You know what I mean? I thought after that. But it's like I can't give up because I have the opportunity to – I'm making money. I'm making money now.
It's crazy. the money I'm making. So, you know, I know. But your money, you don't care about that stuff. You're like – I mean, this place, this facility, all the stuff you got, all the toys and gadgets, it's crazy.
It's not even toys and gadgets. It's samurai armor from 15 million years ago, the first samurai ever. And dinosaur bones.
We got a bison skull coming today from John Reeves. Isn't that cool?
Mike Tyson's jacket.
That's Gordon Ryan's Abu Dhabi belt.
Gordon Ryan's, a great jiu-jitsu guy, man. He's done well.
Yeah.
You know, I got to do – I kind of called him out on something. And, you know, he competes against – you know, jiu-jitsu, those guys will compete against anyone. So, it's like I would probably lose, but we were going to do like a slap jitsu.
A slap jitsu? Hell, yeah. Oh, shit.
Hell yeah. Let's do slaps.
That's different. That is different. That adds a whole other element.
He'll probably break my foot and I'll have to –.
Yeah, you don't want him.
Can he play with me, though? I'm such a grown man. I mean, like – That's such a great way to put it. I'll fight anyone, dude, but it's not a fight. It's the rules.
It's how they lay the rules out for you. Bare Knuckle, is my rule set for sure.
Here's the thing about slapping. This is the reality. If you go back and watch Boss Rutan. in the Pancrase days, Boss Rutan was the first guy to figure it out. You're calling it a slap, but Boss Rutan is pulling his hands way back.
Palming. Palming you, and he can actually hit you and not even worry about hurting his hands. So he can kind of hit you harder in a lot of ways.
No, slaps are –.
I mean, you can probably shit out of a table.
You're not allowed to slap in Bare Knuckle.
Isn't that fucked up? That's crazy.
That's crazy. I slapped Julian Lane a couple times, and Ref was like – That's so crazy. I'm like, damn, girl. I can't even close my hand. It's like the fifth round.
I couldn't even close my shit. I slapped.
Look at the – Boss Rutan was fucking – Yeah, dude. See how he's – Look how far he's pulling his hand back. Yeah.
Yeah. Boss is great, man. I love it.
He was an animal. But he was figuring out how to really fuck people up with palm strikes. So it wasn't as simple as like slapping is safer or something like that. I think that was like one of the reasons why they – You used to be able to do it in California. at one point in time.
You were able to do pancreas. So you could slap, but you had to have an open hand. There was like a lot of those weird rules back then. But Boss figured it out. So combat jiu-jitsu with just slapping, if it's getting to the – You could hit somebody pretty fucking hard with the palm of your hand if you're in the top position.
But you have to be grappling already. It's not just slap boxing. Right.
You can't just slap from the beginning, which is kind of weird too. It's kind of weird too.
Like how – Let me. They should let me. Gordon Ryan would let me. I don't know if he'd let you. I'm a slap boxer's ass.
Yeah.
Try not to let them get a hold of me. Man, I brought you some gifts.
Oh, did you?
I did. If I could get that out of the way. Nothing special, man. Nothing crazy, because you're Joe Rogan. I don't know.
I tried to bring you something. Thank you very much. I don't give people gifts.
Well, I appreciate it, man.
Let's see, man.
I'm glad you came in here, because I've really been appreciating your fights. I really have. And especially the bare knuckle ones recently. So I'm like, God damn.
Get them any attention. Damn it.
What do you got in there, dude? Everything.
Everything, dude. I got so much stuff in here.
So you can just give it to me later if you want.
All right.
Here we go.
Does your contract with bare knuckle, do they let you do other kind of fights?
Yes, they'll let me box. They let other guys go back to MMA and stuff. So it's like, you know, I'm in the fight business. I'm a hired, you know, assassin, I guess. I'm a hit man.
I brought you the shorts that I fought Paul Felder in. Oh, wow. They're a little beat up. Thank you.
Thank you very much, man. That's awesome.
Of course. They're clean.
Thank you very much.
I also have a coaster from when I fought Luke Rockhold.
Oh, right.
It's got all of us on there. These are from Wuhan, China, when COVID happened. I've had these air fresheners for a while. So I got like a couple of designs. I got you a few.
It's like a PMP and my little character. Oh, nice. So I got those.
You got the air fresheners.
I love it. Sorry, dude. I'm putting all this stuff on the table. And I got you a birthday cake. Chocolate bar from Colorado.
Oh, thank you very much.
Yes, sir.
Thank you very much, Mike.
Oh, my pleasure, man.
That's very kind of you.
Thank you for having me on the show, bro. My pleasure. I wish you would have told me about your show. But, like, God, just works, man. Because we just went for a walk.
I asked my girl, I said, where do we go in Austin? She knows Texas. I don't. And she's like 6th Street. So we start fucking walking.
And we're like, oh, it's this comedy store right here, man. Everybody's in line. What's going on? We get in line. We hear the lady.
If you're here for Joe Rogan, you know, this line, 7 o'clock. I'm like, let's go. Let's go. And you guys hooked us up anyways and got us in there. And we were sitting up top, man.
It was a great show. You guys are geniuses. The way you talk and weave through a conversation. I don't know where you're going. And then, boom, a punchline hits.
It's hilarious.
Thanks, man. I'm glad you had a good time. So smart. It's a fun place. I didn't know you were coming to town yesterday.
I would have invited you. I wasn't sure if you were coming to town today. Sometimes people come in the day of.
I wasn't sure if you would set it up. My managers do it for me. Thank God. First round management, Abe. I'm glad you came.
That place is wild. That whole street is wild. Sixth Street is crazy. On Saturday night, we're looking through the window. It's like a zombie movie.
All these people walking down the streets because it's closed off.
It's a little bit like L.A.
Well, parts of it are.
I didn't expect that.
There's more tents. lately, I've noticed. They clean them up and then they come back again. For a while, they had housed a lot of people.
It's not as bad, though. I guess L.A. has spots that, you know.
L.A. is crazy. L.A. doesn't make sense.
Isn't that wild? That's the most expensive place to live in the United States, really. I mean, New York and L.A. And they can get, you know, them, projects get.
The thing about cities like that is, once they slide, it's real hard to bring them back. Because they're like battleships. You know, and they're moving in a bad direction. And you're getting overrun by homelessness and crime. People just start moving out.
And we have this, I think, a distorted idea that the way things. Like, if something's great, it's going to stay great. If something's a thing that's valuable, it's going to stay valuable. People are going to get to a point where you're living in a place like that, where there's tents everywhere. You are going to get the fuck out of here.
And then everybody gets the fuck out of there. Except for the people in the tents.
They're going to take it over.
I mean, the whole thing is nuts. You're not even allowed to litter. You can't litter, right? So how can you leave all your shit in a tent on the sidewalk? What is that?
Man, piles of trash.
The whole thing is crazy. It's like you can't just camp places. There's got to be a better solution than just letting people camp places. And I don't know what Austin did. for a while, though.
They housed people. They put them in hotels or something. Because they cleaned up a giant part of it. I know there's a bunch of programs to try to teach them trades. And there's these housing options that some of the philanthropists out here have set up.
Where they're trying to reintroduce some of these people back to the community. It's difficult. But they did something, and then it seems like it's kind of sliding back again. But, you know, it's all over the country now. Which you never saw before.
Never. When you were a kid, do you remember seeing people just camped out?
I lived in Flint, and I don't remember seeing a bunch of homeless people. You know what I mean? Flint was supposed to be a rough town in the hood. But, I don't know, 20 years ago, life was different.
Don't? they say there's like 100,000 homeless people in L.A.? Isn't it something crazy like that?
That's insane.
That's crazy. That's scary. That's like the population of Boulder, Colorado. Scary. Just homeless people.
How do people pull up, though? Is that true? Like, Cubans, pull up to Miami on these boats. They got a piece of wood, and they oared 90 miles in this boat with like 17 family members. And they pull up on the beach, and they go start their life.
Yeah, but you know why? Because they're escaping communism.
Right. No, I mean props.
Absolutely. Right, right, right. But I'm saying these folks, they're not escaping communism. Most of them are mentally ill. Mm-hmm.
When you're looking at homeless people, most of those people are mentally ill or like severe drug addicts.
Well, because they're on drugs. Yeah.
They're on drugs, and they're mentally ill, or both, or because of. You know, it's like, but that's a lot of it. And so like in San Francisco, that's the big criticism. There's a guy named Michael Schellenberger, and he wrote a book called San Francisco, describing like what happens when progressives ruin cities like they're ruining San Francisco. And he was saying like it just gets to a point where it's just, it's just, it's, what's going on is too nuts.
Like you're allowing these people to have these open-air drug dens in front of everybody. And you're paying them money to stay there. Ugh.
They're paying them money. They're paying them money.
They give them money. They interviewed these guys that were like camped out, and they're saying one of the good things about being a homeless person in San Francisco is they give you money. They give you, like, a certain amount of money. Yeah. Give you a certain amount of money every month.
And so there's no incentive to ever leave.
Bringing it on themselves, but you got to want more in life. You got to see cool shit and be like, I fucking want to put those. It's hard to be organized. That's, that's my biggest problem. Why I'm not so rich.
I think I got to organize my shit, man. I get, I keep a bunch of mementos and I start hoarding shit. I'm like, man, we're moving right now. I'm trying, I'm trying to buy this house. I'm supposed to close on a beautiful home, but we need a new appraisal.
We got one and they're getting another one. So they push the day, but I'm hoping we can get in here because I got the money for it. So let me in. And, but, you know, forgot my point again, man. We should spark that back up.
Maybe I'll remember.
Re-fire up the engines.
Yeah.
What were you saying?
I don't know. I keep looking at that alien or that spaceship beaming up that person.
What do you think about all that alien shit, Mike Perry?
Oh, it's all popping right now. Yeah, it is. What are they trying to hide? They're just putting all this information out there. It's fake.
It's bullshit. Thank you. Thank you.
What are they trying to hide? Like why? Here's the thing.
I'm so greedy. CGI shit, bro. There's fake shit.
I don't know. I don't know what's fake and what's not fake. But I do know that it just seems weird that all this is coming at you.
Aliens are my cousin, though. I fuck with the aliens. If they come here, if they want to start some shit, I'll punch one of them in the face. But they better know how to act and ain't coming up in my backyard. The planet is ours.
So, you know, we got to have each other's back. If they really here, they ain't here. They could probably destroy us if they could come here. Yeah.
Did you see that thing? in Vegas? This family said that a UFO landed in their backyard and like an eight to ten foot tall alien came out. Have we talked about this yet? I don't think.
I mean, not on here. Not on here. Officially. Have you seen him, Mike Perry?
I don't believe it.
Have you seen it? It seems so dumb. First of all, why didn't they film it? They filmed all this other shit. Why didn't they film that?
They tried. Did they try? I mean, I could play their side of the story. What do you think? What do you think?
I'm just being skeptical.
I saw this little like Spanish kid was talking about on Instagram. They were like making a video. I saw it. We saw it.
It was real.
It's like y'all look like paid actors.
Well, here's the thing. Investigative reporter George Knapp tried to interview them on several occasions and they made appointments to have him interview them, and when he went there, they wouldn't answer the door.
Yeah. So, I don't know. Maybe they're nervous about all the attention.
I don't know. I don't know.
That seems real. They don't want the attention. They're like, we're not answering the door.
That's possible.
What normal people don't want the attention?
That's true. He said they're like 9 feet 10..
Here.
Oh, that's, you got the wrong thing playing. Hold on. Hold on. What is? I don't think the podcast is still playing on Spotify right now.
Oh. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it is. Whoops. Um.
Sound. Camera footage.
I have butterflies, bro.
Everyone thought I was shooting stars, and these people say there's aliens in their backyard. So, when that 911 call came in, less than an hour later, police were ready to believe it.
It was like a big creature. A big creature? Yeah. Because I'm not going to BS you guys. One of my partners said they saw something fall out of the sky, too, so that's why I'm kind of curious.
Did you see anything land in your backyard?
But after a brief investigation of the yard, officers closed the case.
It's a whole video about nothing, really. When things come back, don't call us, all right? Deal with it yourself. I ain't dealing with that.
According to former intelligence officer David Grush. If I was an alien, those are exactly the kind of people that I would talk to. Oh, is that the spaceship? No, this is a CGI thing. Oh, yeah.
Why do they have CGI?
I don't know why they would do that.
Why are you telling me what I should see? Yeah, I don't know, man. I think for sure it's possible that alien life exists and is visiting. For sure it's possible. But also, it just seems real weird that they're so forthcoming with information and all these whistleblowers and everything.
Part of me is going like...
Do you think aliens get sex changes?
Yeah, I think they gave up on sex totally. If you look at like what...
They have mental sex, like telekinesis and they're like, oh.
If you look at what those greys look like, they have giant heads. They have spindly bodies and no gender. They have like, they're genderless. They probably don't reproduce with sex anymore. They probably reproduce through technology.
And they probably all look exactly the same, so they're equal in some weird way.
We're living in the matrix. Yeah. So we're asleep right now.
If you can imagine being a human being, right? You imagine being a person. You can imagine being another life form that eventually gets to a place and evolves either through technology or what, to what those things are.
Right. We all adapt in evolution. Yeah. Yeah, right?
We're not going to stop wherever we are now. No. We're going to keep going.
Yeah, I'm going to grow wings and fly. I don't know. That would be cool.
Yeah.
Do you think that, I mean, that's what I've thought many times. when I see that classic grey alien with the big head, the big black eyes. I always think, maybe that's what we are in the future. Maybe that's us. Maybe that's what we're seeing.
I was just thinking about that metal statue you have out there of the wolf fucking the gorilla.
Oh, you know what that's from? That was a dream that I had. I had this crazy dream.
You had somebody make a dream? That's cool.
I had this crazy dream that this werewolf was fucking a gorilla.
Did you draw a picture? No.
No, I was just saying, like, I was just having a conversation with a friend, and I was saying like, what the fuck is dreams? Like, why are dreams so fucked up? And I had this dream that I was, like, sneaking around, like, trying, like, the outside of the wall, hoping they wouldn't notice me, while a werewolf was fucking a gorilla. Like, it made no sense. That's, and so some dude made a sculpture of it and sent it to me.
I feel like I don't dream, man.
You don't dream at all?
I feel like I don't, I don't really have any memories of dreams. There it is. It's pretty dope. But I'd be, like, living the dream.
What a crazy dream.
I try to.
This is my brain.
You smoke a lot of weed, though, right?
Not as much as I used to.
I think that for me, when I stop, whenever I take breaks, my dreams become way more vivid.
Right. Sometimes. But then sometimes I'm like, I've been smoking, and then I do have a dream, but, like, I don't remember it later. I mean, I've told my girl a couple of times about, oh, I had a dream last night. She always dreams that, you know, being bad or cheating.
I'm like, why are you dreaming like that? I be here at the house, or I go work out in the gym. That's what I do. So, you know.
The weirdest things about dreams. is that right? when you wake up, they're so vivid. But then a few minutes later, you can't remember what the fuck it was. Like, it was so interesting to you when you wake up.
Like, wow, that dream was crazy.
I feel like dreams, piss me off. That's why I choose to, like, deny them. sometimes. You choose to deny them? They piss me off because I'm like, I can't do nothing.
I can't grab. I can't punch you in your face.
In a dream.
Yeah. But in real life, I can control everything.
I've had one where I can't run away. Like, you can't run. Something's chasing after you. Your legs aren't working right.
Or you're, like, in a wall that's sinking. I don't know.
Yeah.
Man, I got to make a statue of one of my dreams.
A statue? Like that. Yeah. I got to do that.
Yeah. I wonder how much dreams are a reflection of, like, whatever's in our genetics. Like, if there's genetic memory. I wonder if, like, some, dreams are, like, some genetic memory from the past.
We all remember when you were on Fear Factor and made people eat mouth penises. And we all remember that. Yeah. It's, like, it's a memory that is in humankind's genetics. We're living it right now.
We're all oppressed.
But I'm wondering, like, I wonder how much of, like, fears and dreams. Like, I've had a bunch of dreams about being chased by wolves. A bunch. And I've always wondered what that is.
I don't run from wolves. You don't run? I feel like I would give them a hug. Come here, baby. Come here, baby.
I'll wrestle that motherfucker to the ground. I'll grab a fucking wolf and bite that shit. Either way. Be like, boy, I run this shit. Stop.
Wow.
I have a German Shepherd. He's a baby, though.
That's a big difference between that and a wolf.
Yeah, for sure. Whatever. You talk about, a dog killing a bunch of jackals.
I'll get a dog. I'm a human. We on top of the food chain. Fuck the aliens. I'm trying to eat some aliens.
I'm trying to eat some aliens. I want to try that shit. Is that cannibalism?
No.
Eating an alien?
I don't think so. All right. That's probably frowned upon. There was this movie.
Think it'd be like Octopus?
This movie called Moment of Contact. And there's a UFO crashed in Varginha, Brazil, in 1996.. And this cop had carried one of the bodies, the injured alien. And they put it in the back of the car and they drove it to the hospital. And then they took it to another hospital.
It's all documented. It's crazy. The cop who was carrying the alien died of a horrific bacterial infection that they couldn't cure him of. Antibiotics didn't work. He was a young guy and he was dead within a couple of weeks.
They don't know what the fuck it was. Doctors had never seen anything like it.
Doctors are crazy.
Imagine if he's telling the truth. Imagine there really is a little alien spacecraft that crashed and he picked up a body and tried to carry it to the hospital. This being. And imagine them bringing a fucking alien into a hospital. Like, hey, look what we got here.
They do. We are aliens.
Oh, okay.
We are or we ain't. That's what I said. Is it cannibalism if I eat one of them? No, because they're different species of us, whatever we are.
Right.
We're just a germ. You remember Powerpuff Girls, and they had the germ dudes and then the green dudes?
No, I don't remember.
You were already grown up when I was watching Powerpuff Girls. I'm still kind of young, so I can fight for a little while.
Yeah, you're only 31..
Yeah, man.
How old were you when you had your first UFC fight?
24..
And how much formal training? When did you start formally MMA training? Like, training MMA in a gym?
15 years ago. I did it as a kid. Right. My dad talked about it. He did a couple kickboxing matches.
Like one or two. I don't know. But he fought in the streets and stuff, I guess. So, my dad was a wild dude. I mean, he had bags.
He was a naval guy. He was a Navy guy.
And I would use some of his boxing equipment at a young age. So, you know, I've always been punching.
But formal training, I mean, I trained myself for a long time. You too, like I said.
Really?
But I got with Julian Williams. And I met. this Central Florida group of mixed martial artists have been around, for, you know, it feels like 15 years. I've been knowing them since I was in my teens. Formal training.
And did you go through, like, an amateur MMA program? Did you have any amateur fights?
Yes. I had, like, 20 amateur fights. But I guess it was, like, a scattered version. There are things that are more organized and put together. that, I mean, like the boxing, like the little kids that do boxing all over the country.
They're fighting every week. They're, you know, they get how many fights before they go pro? 100 fights, 200 fights, Lomachenko, 300 fights. Before they go pro, these kids and their parents. I see that now because the boxing gym I work at, Technique Boxing, you know, I get to be around that type of whatever that is.
That's that deep down, the soul of it. It's about the kids. And they become great boxers over the years of doing it. And, you know, I've done it too. But we were, like, one of the first.
I mean, no, fighting was already around in the 80s. And then there's boxing, obviously. Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali, obviously, those were big fights. But, you know, now there's more formal kids and, like, the karate combat dudes, they are, they've been raised well by their parents, you know what I mean? Like, they have manners and they have technique in karate, which is, it's different.
If you look at all the techniques, like Muay Thai is like a dog fight, but there is technique. Boxing has it. And when I say technique, it's like positions of your body. That's how you generate force and, you know, physically control whatever is happening in fighting. I mean, that's what we're talking about is how do you fight?
How?
Shit, why? You know, I wish I could bring something else to the world. that means more. But, you know, the world does piss me off sometimes, so I'm like, yay, I get to punch somebody for this. But, you know, thank God.
But, you know, how can I be an addition to society and make a difference and build something and think about something and be smart? And, fuck, man, being smarter is harder, bro. It's fucking hard out here.
What about? maybe, have you thought about starting a gym?
Hmm, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I want to do a fight thing, a business company. A fight business company? A fight company, yeah.
Like a promotion company?
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot of ways. a guy like you who, you know, there's a lot of guys that can relate to people like you. There's a lot of guys that, you know, they want to fight too. There's a lot of angry men, and they want to relate to a guy who's figured out a way to positively channel that.
It is really positive, but then it becomes funny. It's like. I feel like I understand fighting to the point where it's like. I see I'm having trouble seeing the point of fighting.
It seems like a joke. I mean, it's a fun sport, but there comes a time, I think, when it becomes,
you know, that's the question. Am I going to put it ahead of me and make it more important than my own self? I mean, I feel like I'm not getting hurt, to be honest, but I do take some hits in training. You know, that shit add up. I've been taking punches for 20 years, and it feels like, you know,
it doesn't hurt until later. It hurts later, and then,
you know, so I don't know, man.
Have you given thought to doing something else? Have you given thought to, like, what are you going to do when you're done with this?
No, I feel like I just go into construction, just be an old man. Start fixing shit, man. Pick up some tools, old school. I got to get a hot rod again, man. I've fucked around with a few hot rods, and I'm like, man, I just got to get another one and make it nice.
You know, but I be driving the family around now, so everything's on hold. I think I really just have faith in God, and I try to do what's right and be good, and, you know, as long as I support those around me, the women and children, I'll be good to go.
So how did this Bare Knuckle thing come about? Like, what, did you just want to test the waters over there? Was it something, just a lucrative offer? Like, what made you go over there?
Oh, yeah, big money. It was big. to me. It was definitely big. It was big fights.
But, you know, there wasn't a ton of people at the arena when I fought MVP, but everybody did see it.
Yeah.
So, you know, but.
Well, I think after this Rockhold fight, it's changed people's appreciation for, first of all, how difficult it is. Like, when you see Rockhold's jaw fucked up, his teeth fucked up, and, you know, you see that you've been beating guys like him and Michael Venompage, and it's like, these are, like, very high-level guys, and you're doing it in this sport. that's like, man, this is a completely different thing, to me, at least. It's like the way you're describing completely makes sense about how you have to be tight all the time but still move well.
Check this out. Michael Venompage or Misfits, you know, Misfits Boxing?
Yes.
What's his damn name? That English kid over there that runs Misfits Boxing. It's like Most Valuable Promotions with Jake Paul. KSI. KSI has Misfits Boxing.
That's his. Okay. And we were talking with my people about a possible tournament style, one night, three fights, boxing with gloves, or would it be kickboxing with gloves? I don't know what it was, right? But me and MVP start on different sides of the bracket, and we fight three three-minute rounds each time, meaning so the first two, me and MVP should win the fights, and then we're fighting again in the finals for rounds seven, eight, and nine.
We would be fighting each other. So it would be three opponents, three fights in one night. It would pay a bunch of money per fight.
Wow.
I think that sounded kind of cool. I would definitely give MVP another shot.
This is an event they have announced. They have a tag team event going on and a survivor tag match. I wonder how that works.
Tag team.
Yeah, like Kimbo Slice Jr. is on here, Hasim Rahman Jr. This is crazy.
I have no idea how it's going. based off of that. How are they going to do that? Interesting to watch. Tag team.
Yeah. Huh.
Oh, my God.
That's going to be wild.
Well, it just kind of makes sense, right? People are always trying to push the boundaries. People are always trying to look, okay, is that hardcore enough? What about if we have a bunch of dudes fighting? You've seen those Russian videos.
Old school UFC. Teams of dudes meet on a field and just start beating the fuck out of each other.
Oh, yeah, like 200, 600.. 200,. let's go. I want to try that shit, though. Crazy.
See, where is that group of fighting people, man? That's wild.
I think it was in Russia. Was that where it was?
I think there was Ireland, too, man. Gypsies. Car fights.
Fighting in a phone booth. Russians are just different, man. They're just different.
A well put together, American is fucking up there, though. Oh, for sure. We're up there.
For sure. But we're not having groups of 200 people meet groups of 200 people and just running into each other on a football field and beating the fuck out of each other.
Come on, let's go, America. Let's do the American team versus that big Russian team, man.
Let's see what happens.
200 on 200..
Bro, that would be scary. What is this? The team fighting championship. Oh, God. Which is sort of what?
It's not the giant field one, but this is kind of sick. So is this in Poland versus Sweden? Oh, my God, this is insane. Jesus Christ.
I went to Russia, and they tried to fight me at a press conference.
Oh, my God. Where did you go to Russia for?
My friend was fighting. Fucker. He fucking got beat up by this big Russian guy. He fights giants, man. He just fought.
You know, it's not, you know. He just fought, what's that dude's name in the UFC who?
Johnny, the 205-er, light heavyweight.
Well, Johnny Walker. Johnny Walker. Yeah, and his brother, he has a brother, that's 12 and 0, or 11 and 0 now because he beat Alex, but he's, like, 260 pounds, I think, and Alex is, like, 220 or 225, and he fights these heavyweights, and he had a good battle with them. He didn't win that one, but.
Johnny Walker is an interesting guy. That dude has crazy power. Look at that.
Yeah, look at that. That's him. Damn. Good for him, man. He had a good fight, my boy.
Very interesting.
11 and 0..
Johnny Walker, he generates power some crazy ways. Like, when he's fighting Paul Craig, and Paul Craig grabbed a hold of his leg and he's KOing him while he's, like, hopping around on one leg.
Jamal Hill, bro. Yeah. That time that he got hit in the forehead like that and he put Johnny down. Jamal Hill is cool, bro. He just, like, fights, man.
He just get in there.
He's got amazing timing, too.
His timing. He's long.
He's long.
But strong, though.
Yeah, long and strong, and, you know, just like when he fought Glover, I was like, God, man.
Jamal's, like, you know, and he's coming into his own, too. There's a thing that happens to a guy, like, when he hits that championship level, where they're just coming in their own and they start to really shine. And that's where he's at. Like, that guy's got crazy power. He's a fun dude, too.
Boom. I mean. Wow, man.
Sorry, Johnny.
It's crazy because.
Let's go, Jamal. He from Grand Blank. That's where he lives. I was talking to him the other day. I'm like, shit, I want to train with him.
He's the champ.
Yeah.
At 205 outside of, you know, John Jones. Is he undefeated, Jamal Hill?
No. Paul Craig tapped him out.
Oh, his arm bar. Yeah, he fucked his arm bar. Yeah, see, Paul Craig, he be having, you know, ups and downs. He can beat anyone with that grappling.
That grappling is crazy. His guard is crazy. His guard's crazy. He just cinches up those triangles on you.
You just got to smash when somebody's grabbing you, you know. Well, that's what Johnny Walker did.
That's what Johnny Walker did. To Paul Craig.
To Paul Craig, yeah.
I remember he was holding on to that leg, trying to get the thing down. Johnny Walker's just so fucking athletic.
And he's an interesting dude, man.
I mean, if you back it up so you can see, like, how it started. So he, like, grabs his leg, and look at it. He's KOing him while he's holding his leg up in the air. I mean, that is nuts. That kind of power is nuts.
Oh, my gosh. See that? Yeah, that hurt his head, man.
He's a big dude for 205.. That hurt his head. He's so big.
Yeah, but I love the fights, man. Oh, Yoel Romero's fighting Bellator this weekend. I know.
Isn't that wild? He looks like he's 30 years old.
Oh, my gosh.
He does. He looks exactly the same. He looks exactly the same. That dude is amazing.
He's a good soul, man. He's a good soul. Yoel is very strong. He holds up the community, man. Support him.
I had a podcast. I did with him and Joey Diaz, and Joey Diaz translated.
So Yoel would say some of the stuff in English, but then he would say some of the stuff in Spanish, and Joey Diaz would translate it. It was amazing.
Yeah, Joey Diaz is cool, man. He's the best. He's a crazy guy. Yeah. Good for him.
Yeah, he's the best.
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