Reality Hits | 4

2024-04-29 00:30:07

<p>When ex-Bunny girl Jayne Gaskin spots the desert island of her dreams for sale online, she decides to risk it all. Trading in&nbsp;their English village home, Jayne and her family relocate to their own private paradise, just off the coast of Nicaragua. And a reality TV crew follows them to film a new show,&nbsp;<em>No Going Back</em>. But soon they all discover that paradise has its secrets. The locals claim the island belongs to them, and it’s been sold illegally. Jayne’s not leaving without a fight. A fight that will soon turn deadly.</p><p>Hosted by Alice Levine.</p><p>Listen to The Price of Paradise on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting&nbsp;<a href="https://wondery.com/links/the-price-of-paradise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wondery.com/links/the-price-of-paradise/</a> now. </p>

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When you live in paradise, every day should be perfect.

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For Jane, this means no cold grey skies, no judgemental neighbours,

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no relentless school run.

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But despite all her efforts, the picture-perfect paradise she's been working so hard to create over the past year

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is falling to pieces.

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Their kidnapping is all over the news,

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the children are frightened,

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and her partner Phil has just come out of hospital,

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his burnt arm hidden under long sleeves.

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Since that night, nothing has been the same.

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Jane's determined to try to keep her dream alive, but it's hard.

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Jane, especially, and Phil, were pretty wired and nervous.

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And TV producer Billy feels the same way.

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After returning to the island, he's been feeling nervous too.

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What had started off as a fun half-hour documentary about a couple escaping to the sun

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has transformed into a very dark drama.

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One with an unknown ending.

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I felt uneasy as well, knowing that what had happened could happen again.

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It's fair to say everyone is on edge.

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So when a new boat approaches the island one morning in October

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and the passengers emerge into view,

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Billy feels a cold chill run down his neck.

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There was two armed people on the back of the boat I could see standing up.

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He glances at Jane as she turns and runs towards their shack.

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She was petrified, she was scared, she was really unnerved by what had happened.

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But if he thought Jane had gone to hide, he's wrong.

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She was always very, very angry at what happened to Phil

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and what her family had been put through.

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She comes back, gun in hand, marching defiantly towards the water.

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Billy looks on, astonished, as she raises the gun.

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You don't fire at people in Nicaragua and certainly in that area

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without some kind of consequence.

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Then Jane lines up the sight and closes one eye.

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From Wondery, I'm Alice Levine, host of British Scandal.

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And this is The Price of Paradise.

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Episode 4, Reality Hits

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I'm sure I'd be pretty high on the nervous scale

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if I'd been kidnapped at gunpoint from a remote desert island,

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staged a dramatic escape from a burning boat

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and been forced to hide out all night in a swamp.

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Yeah, my temper might be frayed, but I was as relieved as Billy

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to realise that Jane was trying to scare away their latest visitors,

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not kill them.

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She was firing over their heads.

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At the time, we didn't know who they really were.

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It was only afterwards that we realised it was the Environmental Agency.

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Not gangsters, not drug kingpins, civil servants,

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armed with clipboards?

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A group of ten officials from the Ministry of the Environment,

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after pressure from Maria and her team,

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were coming to Janik to speak to the Gaskins

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about accusations of environmental damage.

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They want to inspect the nesting sites of the endangered turtles,

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who have also called the island home.

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But the officials left with the sound of gunshot in their ears.

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This is definitely going on the front page of their next report,

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in bold, in red, maybe underlined too.

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As night falls after another stressful day,

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Billy can't quite believe what's been unfolding around him.

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He's a London TV producer, with a lot of experience, sure,

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but here he is as one of the sole witnesses

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of a stranger-than-fiction story.

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He's part confidant, part pseudo-family member,

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but ultimately, first and foremost, he's after the story.

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But that story was not supposed to involve a shootout.

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That night, I remember being probably the most scared that I was.

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Lying awake, Billy keeps thinking he can hear another boat approaching.

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Should he get up and check? His mind is racing.

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Would they come back with more people, more arms?

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What was going to happen? That was pretty frightening.

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All this just to make an hour of reality TV.

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Is it really worth it?

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Over the next few days, everyone's mood darkens,

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and Billy's particularly worried about Phil.

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I could tell that Phil was a little bit more depressed or unhappy.

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Phil is a changed man.

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Once the kind of guy who would race around the house with a power tool,

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fixing everything in sight, running the kids to football,

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keeping everything on schedule.

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Now he's quiet, gaunt and unwell.

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His asthma's been getting worse,

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after inhaling so much smoke when their boat caught fire.

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And his health is deteriorating, along with his spirits.

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He had great breathing problems.

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He was wheezing a lot more.

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He was pretty fragile, mentally and physically.

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He became even more paranoid, and he wasn't sleeping.

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Phil's life in paradise is now punctuated

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by regular trips to Bluefields Hospital on the mainland.

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He's had enough of island life.

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The two-hour boat rides, the lack of food or medicine,

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the isolation, what once felt like freedom, now feels like captivity.

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The kidnapping had really brought home to him

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how much he didn't like it there.

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I think there was a part of Phil that was slightly broken.

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This really was the last straw.

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And it's not just Phil who's feeling broken.

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The kids wanted to go home.

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Everyone seemed stunned, I think, about what had happened,

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because it seemed straight out of some terrible film.

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But, and you know what I'm going to say,

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Jane still has no intention of leaving.

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And she's certainly not leaving to return to miserable England.

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She seems crushed that everyone else is abandoning the dream

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she's been fighting for.

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I chose to come on the island.

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I'd love the island.

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I know what I want, unlike some people.

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And when I get this, I don't not want it anymore.

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I still want it.

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And I'll continue to want it and enjoy it.

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Regardless of the fact that all your family,

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the people that are the same inhabitants of the island,

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would rather be somewhere else?

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Well, no, that's a problem.

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It is a problem.

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On that, we can all agree.

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So Phil has been canvassing the children,

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drafting a list of the benefits they're missing out on at home in England.

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TV, friends, even school.

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Every week I ask them, who wants to be here?

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Who'd rather have civilisation?

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And then I pick on the individual little things that each person would like,

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and then we have a vote.

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And when you have that vote, Jane loses every time.

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Phil is nothing if not democratic,

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even if co-opting the kids to outvote Mum

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is perhaps not the greatest way to achieve consensus.

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Eventually, the Gaskins reach an agreement.

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They're not going back to the UK,

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but they will start looking for another tropical home.

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Surprisingly, not from the same website as the first time.

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Now they just have to decide on where.

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Jane would like somewhere similar, just safer,

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which to me seems like a good upgrade.

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Phil seems keen to be somewhere a little busier,

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somewhere he can build a business,

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with schools for the kids,

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a hospital, maybe even a pub.

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Jane thumbs through a guidebook for inspiration.

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It was pre-Instagram, guys.

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Do you think there's anybody in the Seychelles

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that would swap a small place for an island?

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Phil would like it better because they've got supermarkets

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and proper hospital and rich people spending their money.

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I would like it better in the Seychelles.

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No, I'd like it better in the Canary Islands.

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And so would the boys as they grew up.

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All those tourists coming, they couldn't go wrong, could they?

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I can see the timeshare advert now.

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Would like to swap a four-bed condo in the Seychelles

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for a tropical island in Nicaragua.

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Comes complete with millions of sandflies,

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a local land dispute and visiting cocaine traffickers.

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The details will need ironing out,

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but it sounds like there's finally a sense of hope in the air.

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A future together as a family

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that might make sense of the Janik experience,

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as the first step on a journey to the perfect final destination.

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But for Phil, the journey's end is coming much sooner than expected.

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It's a balmy evening in Bluefields.

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Maria is having a quiet night in with her now-husband, Frank.

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They're in their bright yellow house on the hill,

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enjoying the breeze that's blowing in from the balcony doors.

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The spare apartment downstairs, the one they sometimes rent out,

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is empty at the moment,

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so she and Frank are planning to enjoy a relaxing evening

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to themselves.

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Maria hears Frank answer the front door

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before returning to the balcony with a man she's not seen before.

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The visitor is pretty well-dressed, early 40s, a notebook in his hand.

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Maria's seen plenty of journalists in her time,

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so she can spot one a mile off.

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Maria's often asked to comment on stories in the local paper,

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but this is different.

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He's from one of the big national newspapers,

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based in the capital, Managua, 150 miles away.

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Maria knows straight away what it's about.

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The Gaskins.

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First, the sale of the islands made national press.

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Now everyone's talking about the kidnapping.

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Everyone wants to know what's happening on the Pearl Keys.

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Including this journalist, it seems.

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Then he asks Maria a question she didn't see coming.

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Did she help organise the kidnapping of the Gaskin family?

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And was it connected to the land dispute?

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OK, whoa, that was not an avenue I'd even considered exploring.

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Maria as kingpin in the local mafia kidnapping.

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Maria is also baffled at this line of questioning.

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But it doesn't take her long to discover the source of this outlandish story.

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He was like, well, I'm here because Peter Martinez paid all the expenses

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and he went to the newspaper and asked us to come to do this report.

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Peter Martinez.

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Always turning up in this story.

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Fingers in pies.

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We're just never too far away from him, are we?

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So let me just get this straight.

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He's Mr Fix-It for the Pearl Keys.

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The kind of guy who knows everyone.

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He's a lawyer by trade and now, it seems, a news commissioner.

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And an amateur sleuth.

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Truly a man of many talents.

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But Maria doesn't have time to explain to the journalist in her living room

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how ridiculous this whole story is becoming.

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Instead, she offers him her view on what's really been going on in the land dispute.

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After he leaves, Maria can't stop her mind reeling about Martinez.

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This is a man she thought she knew well.

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A fellow lawyer.

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Someone she used to respect when they first met.

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He had prestige.

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I always thought he was smart and he would have a good career.

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She knows about his role in trading the Pearl Key Islands.

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Martinez has never hidden his relationship with the man behind tropicalislands.com.

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Peter Sokos.

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In fact, he's happy to show off about it, on the record,

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when a film crew visit him in his downtown office.

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That's pretty unambiguous.

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Martinez says he's personally responsible for all the Pearl Keys that have been sold.

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But Maria has been starting to question why he stayed so involved in the islands

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and the lives of the new islanders, long after the sales were completed.

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Something just doesn't feel right.

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It is not normal that the same lawyer who sells you the property

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will represent you now in everything you do.

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And not only things related to property, but your personal matters.

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I mean, it was so weird.

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It's beginning to feel like very little happens on the islands

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without Peter Martinez being involved.

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He's even been the go-to guy for producer Billy

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and the TV crew filming the Gaskins for Channel 4.

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Every time we went to Bluefields to pick up food and do stuff,

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we'd always pop in and usually see Martinez.

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Anything that Jane and Phil wanted on the island, he would fix.

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Fine. Maybe he's just a very well-connected guy with a keen sense of civic duty.

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He was slick and he was charming.

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He was always really smartly dressed.

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If you walked down the street with him,

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people would come up and shake his hand and smile and joke with him.

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You certainly got the impression that he was a big player in Bluefields.

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Slick, charming, well-dressed.

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As Billy says, a big player.

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And one who should have been on the same side as them,

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according to Maria's son, Alvaro.

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I thought it was a shame because he was a Creole from the Caribbean coast

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and the people who were getting disenfranchised

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were other Creoles from the Caribbean coast.

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In fact, Jerry, the Creole community leader, knew Martinez.

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They used to get on well.

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Martinez was a good lawyer. He did a case for me.

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We were friends.

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It's hard to have a confrontation with someone you've been dealing with, a friend.

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But I had to defend the people's right

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and defend the land he was trying to take away.

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We decided to confront him and treat him like a stranger.

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Our friendship was on hold.

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He became an enemy and we wanted to win the fight against him.

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With so many connections about town,

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Maria and Alvaro know that Peter Martinez will be a tough adversary.

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If they plan to take him on, they'd better be prepared.

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Over the next few months, Maria and the indigenous communities

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work tirelessly to try and raise publicity for the Pearl Keys case.

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And they're succeeding.

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More headlines are hitting the local and national press.

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The sale of the keys could be a scam.

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The legal advisor of the residents of Pearl Lagoon, Maria Acosta,

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did not rule out the possibility that Peter Sokos

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has defrauded citizens of different nationalities by selling them four keys.

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Some articles even name Phil and Jane.

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One island, Lime Key, was sold to an English couple, the Gaskins.

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The Gaskins have cut off the island from the indigenous inhabitants of the area,

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disrupted the environment of the island,

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and most especially the habitat of the hawksbill turtle.

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The dispute over the Pearl Keys is escalating fast.

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Maria's name and her organisation are quoted regularly in the papers

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and she's becoming a key figure in the fight to reclaim the islands.

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There's some people that hate me, some people that admire my work.

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Maria's at the centre of a row that's turning hostile.

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It was very tense. I could feel it.

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After a particularly long and tiring day at work,

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Maria returns home to try and relax.

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She sits down in front of the telly with Frank

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to watch a film her son Alvaro has recommended.

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But you know that feeling of turning on the wrong film at the wrong time?

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She needed a rom-com, maybe a Pixar adventure.

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Instead, she gets a sombre documentary

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about a Brazilian activist called Chico Mendes.

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He was murdered in 1988 for trying to help a local community

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win back land that had been sold to a rancher.

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Maria and Frank watch in silence as the story unfolds.

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A small land dispute escalates into death threats and eventually murder.

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In the 80s, the Mendes story had stirred outrage

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in newspaper headlines and TV bulletins.

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The victim was devoted to preserving Brazil's irreplaceable rainforest.

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He paid for that, apparently, with his life.

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Francisco Chico Mendes was an environmental leader

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little known outside of the Brazilian Amazon.

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But his assassination by local cattle ranchers

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had international repercussions.

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The news of his murder had sent shockwaves around the world.

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As Maria watches the documentary about his life,

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she can't help worrying about what she's letting herself into.

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Is Alvaro trying to warn her?

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Later on, as she's sitting on the balcony with Frank,

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she tells him that, for the first time in her career,

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she's frightened, scared about where her work might lead them.

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I asked him, what happens if they kill us?

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And he just looked at me and he said,

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Maria, we are in God's hands.

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To be honest, I thought, what a big help.

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Now when I see back and I realise that we were in God's hands.

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Now Maria looks at that night as a turning point,

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a warning about what lay ahead.

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On a cold and dreary night in January 2002,

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millions of British families are flipping over to Channel 4

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for an hour of sun-drenched escapism.

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Last week's episode of No Going Back

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had featured a middle-class couple

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sauntering off to Spain to grow some olives.

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This couple are about to live out their dream.

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They're swapping the urban 9-to-5 for an idyllic Spanish farm.

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Sure, sounds like a nice relaxing watch.

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But with all due respect to the producers, I think it's fair to say,

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the cliffhangers were not exactly up to soap opera standards.

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They're off in search of the good life with their two small children.

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Harvesting their own almonds, picking olives, growing grapes and making wine.

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But they won't have a regular income,

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they've never farmed before and they don't speak the language.

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Episode one goes roughly like this.

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Will an early frost ruin the crop? No.

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Will the locals turn their noses up

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when they sample their olive oil at the village fair?

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Yes, the stakes basically could not be lower.

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So as episode two begins, viewers aren't ready for what's about to unfold.

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A couple called Jane and Phil

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are moving to a beautiful remote island in Nicaragua?

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One year ago, this Hampshire family left Britain in search of paradise.

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They bought their own palm-fringed desert island

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off Nicaragua's Mosquito Coast.

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As the programme starts, TV researcher James

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is watching nervously at home with his friends.

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He hasn't seen the final version of the episode yet,

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so he's wondering how the audience will react.

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I don't think anyone saw it coming.

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And how could they?

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Protesters turning up on the island,

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Phil calling them racist,

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Teodoro getting sacked,

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Jane admitting on camera that they'd slept together,

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Phil, rather calmly,

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recounting their kidnapping to the local magistrate.

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First of all, I recognised his voice,

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and the children also recognised his voice.

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And when we were sitting in the panga,

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they were going, it's Teodoro.

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And then his daring escape,

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which frankly still shocks me,

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let alone the unsuspecting British public.

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I picked up the gas, which was in a two-gallon can,

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and I was throwing it over the man.

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I just picked up the matches, struck them and lit them.

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And I was still pushing the gas out of the can,

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and my hand was catching the light,

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and I did it for as long as I could,

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and dropped back in the water to put my hand out.

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Over the past year,

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James had been watching all the footage as it came back,

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documenting the family's ups and downs,

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the triumphs and the tragedies.

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So he knew what was coming.

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But as the episode finally airs,

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nothing had quite prepared him for the fallout.

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It was like a bomb going off.

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It caused an absolute explosion of viewers.

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Hundreds of people contact Channel 4 to voice their opinions,

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and almost all their opinions are about one thing.

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Jane Gaskin.

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They gave us this medieval scroll of complaints,

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and it was absolute outrage at Jane.

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She became kind of public enemy number one really quickly

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for being a bad mother,

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seeming to be a bad wife as well.

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I think just generally she became labelled as evil.

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TV critics and tabloid journalists follow suit

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with observations which run the gamut from moralistic

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to shamefully sexist and grossly objectifying.

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A real full house.

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We last see Jane perched on her island shore

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like a black widow spider,

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flaming red hair, impertinent bosom

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and determined little thighs on display,

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touting for a new mate to share her idea of paradise.

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Another writer describes Jane shockingly as a...

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More or less mad woman, or at the very least

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a manipulative and wildly selfish middle-aged minx.

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It felt like the TV critics and the nation and the tabloids

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were looking for their next public enemy number one.

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And Jane just fitted the bill perfectly

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because of the way she looked and the way she behaved

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and what she said and what she was prepared to do.

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Jane ticked every box for a tabloid takedown.

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She was a woman who was not ashamed of her body,

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who was sexual and who was outspoken.

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And the icing on the cake,

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she did all this while being, how dare she, a mother.

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She simply had to be brought down a peg or two.

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And the names they call her?

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Which is about as close as I can come in a family newspaper

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to calling her what I really want to call her.

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OK, OK, but credit to them,

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at least they didn't invoke a full-on medieval tr...

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Oh, no, sorry, there it is.

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Several hundred years ago,

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women like Jane Gaskin would have been burnt at the stake.

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And so the way they did that was in the public domain.

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They annihilated her, they character-assassinated her,

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and she had no way of answering.

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There wasn't social media, there wasn't Twitter,

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there wasn't Instagram, she couldn't answer back.

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And so, in a way, it felt like an easy target.

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And it wasn't just the papers that targeted her.

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In online forums, the British public blamed Jane

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for everything that went wrong on the island.

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The local protest? Jane's fault.

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The kidnapping? Jane's fault too.

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No matter who had sold her the island,

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or taken them hostage, or put Phil in hospital.

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Producer Billy was pretty taken aback by the vitriol.

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One part of me could understand the reaction,

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but another part of me was really deeply troubled

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and thought it quite unfair.

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Spending time with her on the island,

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Billy had seen a very different side of Jane.

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A side that clearly didn't reveal itself to viewers.

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I think people perceived Jane as being a bad mother,

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which she certainly wasn't.

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I mean, she'd obviously made her decisions and her choices,

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but she loved the kids and she was really close to them.

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As the episode draws to a close,

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Phil and Jane have decided to move on from Janik

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to find a new home,

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which sounds like a pretty wise decision to me.

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After days of arguments and family votes,

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a compromise is reached.

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Jane and Phil will sell.

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Phil gets to leave the island.

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They've decided to look for paradise somewhere safer

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and to start again.

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But viewers couldn't have prepared

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for what they were about to hear at the end of the show.

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Over the next few days, Phil's asthma attacks get much worse

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and his health deteriorates.

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They decide to leave the island

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to be near to a hospital on the mainland.

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As haunting music starts to play,

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the screen turns black and white text reveals...

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Four weeks later, Phil died from a massive asthma attack.

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Just as the Gaskins had taken the decision

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to leave the island and find a new home,

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Phil's health had taken a turn.

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After contracting a chest infection,

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he was admitted to hospital,

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where he collapsed and was transferred

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into intensive care to recuperate.

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They'd gone to the mainland, back to Bluefields,

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to get hospital help.

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But on December 3rd, 2001,

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just a year after they left the UK,

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Phil collapsed once again,

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this time in front of Jane and the children,

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in a serious asthma attack.

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And then the next thing I knew, he'd passed away.

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Phil is gone, and paradise feels further away than ever.

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Next time, on The Price of Paradise,

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Jane is not the only one

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whose life is about to be turned upside down.

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I didn't know what my life was going to be like

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after all this.

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My mind couldn't process it.

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Like, I couldn't believe it.

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That level of shock is just horrible.

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At that moment, I felt I went into a deep black hole.

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From Wondery, this is episode 4 of 7 of The Price of Paradise.

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A note about this podcast,

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not everything was captured on film at the time,

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so we can't always know exactly what was said in every moment.

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In places, our script is based on the testimony of our interviewees

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and all other sources available to us.

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The Price of Paradise is produced by Forest Sounds

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and is hosted with additional writing by me, Alice Levine.

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For Forest Sounds, our producers are Ella Cattle and Aaron Keller.

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The assistant producer is Valeria Rocker.

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The managing producer is Anne Fitzgerald.

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The production coordinator is Nina Abdullah.

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The researcher is Tom Cass.

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Executive producers are Pete Sale and Jeremy Lee.

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For Wondery, our producer is Theodora Leloudis.

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Our managing producer is Rachel Sibley.

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Our consulting producer is Brian Taylor-White.

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