Mayorkas Impeached, Harris Goes To Germany, Indonesian Elections

2024-02-14 00:14:49

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House Republicans succeeded in their second attempt to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas.

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Indonesia voted today to elect a new president.

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The largest country in Southeast Asia plays an important role for stability in the nearby South China Sea, so how are Washington and Beijing viewing the results?

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And Vice President Kamala Harris is headed to Germany to reassure NATO allies.

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Recent statements by candidate and former President Donald Trump has really been rattling us here on the European side.

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The Republican-led House voted along party lines last night to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas.

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On this vote, the yeas are 214 and the nays are 213.

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The resolution is adopted.

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The articles of impeachment passed by that single vote accused Mayorkas of refusing to comply with immigration laws.

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Now, according to the text, more people are coming to the United States these days and the administration has paroled many into the U.S. to wait for their court dates.

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Past administrations have also paroled people because the U.S. lacks enough detention centers to hold migrants or courts to give them quick hearings.

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Democrats and a few Republicans cast this as a policy disagreement rather than an impeachable offense.

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NPR political reporter Ximena Bastilla has more on this and she joins me now.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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So as we heard there, House Republicans barely had enough votes to impeach Mayorkas last night and this is their second try.

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How did this impeachment become such a focus for the party?

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Well, Republicans have been preparing for this impeachment since they gained control of the House.

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The Republican base and conservative media figures have been calling for the impeachment of several Biden administration officials, including Mayorkas and Biden himself, since the 2022 midterm elections.

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But with Democrats running the Senate and Biden in the White House, they really have no way to change laws.

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Instead, they've really focused on investigations and oversight as a way to follow through on promises to hold the Biden administration accountable.

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This impeachment, though, has been a bit divisive even among their own members.

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Three Republicans voted against impeachment last night and the same three voted no last week.

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The difference this time was House Majority Leader Steve Scalise was back in town after lengthy absence to seek treatment for cancer.

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I mean, this is highly unusual.

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The first time a sitting secretary is impeached in 150 years.

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What laws is Mayorkas actually accused of breaking here?

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They're accusing Mayorkas of not complying with immigration law, particularly when it comes to detainments and of making false statements.

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And this point, as Steve pointed out, this is a time where many more people are just showing up at the border and the Republicans are saying Mayorkas is paroling too many of them.

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Is this just a policy disagreement?

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Should it be an impeachment?

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Right.

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Democrats are arguing that this is politically motivated, as you noted, and it has been over 100 years since an impeachment of its kind.

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Democrats in the House insist that this is not the right response.

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They say Republicans have a policy disagreement with the White House.

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And the same three Republicans who have rejected this measure have generally raised concerns about the strength of the case against Mayorkas.

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There have also been concerns about the standards set by impeaching him over policies that, again, are set by Biden and not Mayorkas himself.

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But Speaker Johnson defended the process last week, and he said that Mayorkas refuses to enforce the laws and left them with no other option.

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The Homeland Security Department last night said after the vote that they believe there's no shred of evidence of this.

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OK, so this happened in the House.

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It's going to the Senate, which is controlled by Democrats.

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So does it just die there?

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It does not.

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So there are impeachment managers that have already assigned, and there is a Senate trial that will begin sometime after the senators return to D.C. around the 26th.

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But a conviction requires two thirds vote, and that simply will not happen in the Senate controlled by Democrats.

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OK, so this all fits into a broader jockeying between the two parties over who's to blame for the border.

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Is there any expectation that Congress can actually address some of these policy issues before the election?

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I mean, that's extremely unlikely.

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We saw a bipartisan border security agreement fail last week in the Senate.

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Senate Democrats have rejected the House option version of the bill, which they say is too hard line.

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And Biden has vowed to veto that as well.

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NPR's Ximena Bustillo, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Vice President Kamala Harris travels to Germany tonight for a series of high stakes meetings with U.S. allies in coming days.

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The vice president is there to deliver a message that many people might have a hard time believing.

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She wants NATO allies and others to know that the United States is a reliable partner when it comes to conflicts like the one in Ukraine.

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NPR White House correspondent Asma Khalid is going to be traveling with the vice president, and she joins us now.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, Leila.

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So the vice president is going to Europe to this annual conference, the Munich Security Conference,

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right after former President Donald Trump raised fears about the long term U.S. commitment to NATO.

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Is the reaction to what Trump said going to be a huge part of what she deals with on this trip?

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I mean, European allies are worried about the stability of that transatlantic alliance following comments by the former President Donald Trump.

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Who is also, of course, the Republican front runner in 2024.

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Trump said that Russia should, quote, do whatever the hell they want to countries who don't contribute enough money to NATO.

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It sounded like he was encouraging Russia to attack an ally.

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And yesterday we heard President Biden denounce the comments.

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For God's sake, it's dumb.

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It's shameful.

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It's dangerous.

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It's un-American.

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And this, Leila, is the backdrop in which Harris is going to be going to Munich.

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And I would say, you know, people are going to be hanging on her words.

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I spoke to Wolfgang Ischinger about this.

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He's a retired German ambassador who for years led the Munich Security Conference.

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And he told me Europeans are watching the political situation in the U.S. very closely.

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Recent statements by candidate and former President Donald Trump about NATO and how he would deal with NATO allies has really been rattling us here on the European side.

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So how does the vice president reassure them?

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Well, you know, she can defend the administration's track record.

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But to step back, the White House is in a tough place right now.

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They want more aid money for Ukraine.

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But Republican leaders in the House are blocking that.

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And it is not clear when and even if Congress will agree to more funding.

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This White House promised that the Trump era was over, you know, that America was back.

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So I will say there is a lot at stake both for the Biden administration's reputation and the United States' credibility as a world leader.

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Here's former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

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The primary responsibility of the vice president is to make clear that despite these challenges, America's word is still strong and that it can be depended upon.

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But the reality is it is going to be difficult for Harris to stand up and say have faith in the U.S.

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when even a Democratic president we are seeing cannot guarantee additional money for Ukraine because of partisan fights in Congress.

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The former German Ambassador Ischinger flatly told me that Europeans are increasingly thinking about a Plan B,

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how to defend themselves if there is indeed a future in which they cannot depend on the U.S.

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I mean, this is a tough job that that Harris is going to have to carry out.

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Will she be able to reassure allies who are thinking about Plan B?

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Well, this will be Harris's third time at this important meeting of world leaders in Munich.

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She certainly traveled abroad on some major trips, but it's really fallen more on other members of Biden's inner circle,

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like Secretary of State Antony Blinken, to lead on diplomatic efforts.

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You know, that being said, Biden himself will not be in Munich.

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And so it does fall onto Harris to send the right message and the right tone to reassure allies at a critical time.

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And because of the politics at home, as we head into an election amidst growing questions about Biden's age, Harris really does have no room for error.

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I'm PR White House correspondent Asma Khalid. Thank you, Asma.

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Always good to talk to you.

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The world's third largest democracy, Indonesia, has voted for a new president.

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Exit polls suggest the country's defense minister is in the lead.

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He has the backing of the current president and also has a controversial record on human rights.

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And PR's Anthony Kuhn is in Jakarta and joins us now. Good morning, Anthony.

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Hi, good morning.

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So you just came back from a polling station. What did you see?

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Well, this is the scene at a station in Jakarta's Menteng neighborhood. Let's listen.

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Poll workers were manually taking each ballot out of a box and reading it and tallying it.

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And if you consider that Indonesia has more than 200 million eligible voters, that's a lot of work.

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Now, these unofficial exit polls show that Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto has defeated two former provincial governors.

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The official results will come out in a month, but it looks like Prabowo has scored the absolute majority he needs to avoid a runoff vote.

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And if Prabowo takes office, he's expected to continue the popular policies of President Joko Widodo or Jokowi, as he's known here.

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So let's talk about why this vote is being so closely watched around the world. Why is that?

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Well, a lot of it has to do with Indonesia's scale. It's Southeast Asia's largest economy.

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It's the world's largest Muslim-majority nation. And this country's future direction is at stake.

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This country was under the dictatorship of the General Suharto for 32 years.

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It's been a fledgling democracy for about 25 years.

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It still faces huge challenges, poverty, corruption, deforestation, big ethnic and religious divisions.

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And the election is going to have an impact on these.

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Also, we should say that elections are being held in many countries around the world this year.

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And when people look to see where democracy is advancing or retreating, Indonesia is an important case.

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Now, as you point out, it's a relatively young democracy. Are there concerns about the election's fairness?

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Well, I think the main concern is that you have a popular president, Jokowi, who has been seen as a democrat,

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but is now backing a candidate with a record of human rights abuses.

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And he may deny them, but Indonesia's own military sacked him in 1998 for his role in kidnapping

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and killing political activists and opponents of Indonesia's annexation of East Timor.

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Now, in the election, there have been reports and allegations of Jokowi and Prabowo buying votes,

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intimidating critics, and people accusing Jokowi of making his son the vice presidential candidate

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in order to build a political dynasty.

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And there are also concerns about disinformation, particularly the use of artificial intelligence.

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We have seen, for example, videos of the candidates altered with AI to say things they didn't really say.

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But we don't know how big an impact this is having.

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And how could the election impact Indonesia's role on the global stage?

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Well, Indonesia is this huge archipelago with huge natural resources, and it needs foreign investment

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to connect it and get the resources out.

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And increasingly, it's relying on China to do this.

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Indonesia does not want to have to pick sides in the U.S. and China rivalry.

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But Jokowi has moved closer to China, and Prabowo has indicated he may follow suit.

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NPR's Anthony Kuhn joining us from Jakarta. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Another story we're following comes out of New York, where Democrats picked up a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.

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Tom Suozzi won a special election to replace Republican Congressman George Santos' old seat.

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You may remember him as the freshman congressman whose tenure was filled with scandal.

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He was ultimately indicted for alleged crimes and then expelled from Congress.

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Suozzi's win narrows the already slim Republican majority in the House,

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and this race may inform Democratic strategy going forward.

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