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Hey, let's do that thing really quick, where we finish the sentence and we do one word at a time. No, no. Like, we do one word at a time. I'm sorry. I'll start.
Okay. We. No, ready? Go. We.
Are.
So.
Excited.
To.
Be.
Here.
Oh, Sean. Sean.
Come on. Let's go.
This is like taking a fucking road trip with you. Hey, kids. Let's build a story together. Yeah. How about we just go do the frigging live podcast?
Great. Yeah, let's do it. Alright, guys.
Welcome to Smart Glasssss!
Wow!
Woooo! Wow.
Wow.
This is so nuts.
Oh, Brooklyn! Whoo!
This is just ridiculous.
I like pulling an Oprah. I like pulling an Oprah Winfrey and go, take a seat, take a seat, take a seat.
I know, I know. This started, this was a bit. We started this as a bit. Yeah. And now we're here in Brooklyn.
With all these beautiful people.
I know, I love it.
Thank you for coming. Thank you for spending $5 a ticket to come see us.
We really appreciate it.
But good God. Well, they're here. I guess we gotta do this. I know. Everybody all back there.
Let's buckle up.
Set the bar really low. I'm sitting here. Yeah, you're gonna sit there.
You're gonna sit there. Yeah, I'm gonna sit in the middle. We're gonna grab a seat. Because I get, I get, tonight it's my guest, so I get the middle.
Why is that good news? Yeah. Why is that good news?
That's not always good news.
I will tell you, I am very excited about my guest tonight. I am, my heart is pounding. Pounding. And it's not just the Diet Red Bull.
Now we've all had a lot of Red Bull because we had a long night.
Oh my God. Oh Jesus. So we got stuck in, where were we? Boston. Boston.
And we were, our flight was supposed to leave at 10.30 after the show, and we ended up leaving at five this morning, six this morning, something like that.
45 minute flight took us eight hours to get here. Eight hours.
So we've had like three hours sleep, so you're getting the best version of us.
But,
but the best part is our amazing, incredible director, Sam Jones.
Yeah.
We're stuck on the plane and we're all kind of just really quiet trying to catch any kind of winks we can, and then we hear this.
Oh God, yeah.
And by the way, he's like, I didn't get any sleep. We're like, no, no, no, you're the only one who got sleep. None of us.
And then we get to the hotel, they always make fun of me because I always have my, always have my kind of, you know, my things. Like when you travel, you have your things. And so I always ask for a fan and a blanket. I need an extra fan.
So every time we pull into a hotel.
Let's not gloss over that.
Let's not gloss over it. Every time we, every time we pull into a hotel, Sean, there's always like 20 minutes later, there's like a knock on the door and a guy shows up with a fan and a big blanket.
And we're like, no, wrong room. And then Sean shoots up. No, no, no, that's me.
Because we're all staying together. Did we mention that? We're staying in the same room?
Yeah.
We're all in the same room. It's all for this stupid ass show. Where do you see it?
It's such a mistake. Actually, it should be noted, you wanted to stay in the same room.
Well, I thought it was like, well, if we're going to do it, let's get full stupid ass. Yeah.
You know? So Jason's like, listen, we're all going to stay together and we're all just going to be, and we just 24-hour access to the cameras. Yes. Six hours into it, he's like, fuck this.
Yeah.
It's a nightmare.
It's your idea.
Because I'm not usually, this is, I am peaking right now. I'm usually in such a bad mood. Am I not a moody guy?
Yeah, you're a very, very moody guy.
Every morning, every morning, this coming straight at me, just his hair is about eight feet high, with the bed head, with the cup of coffee. So fucking angry. Yeah.
Coming right at me. And he shuffles too. You know how he shuffles? He kind of like, he walks like this. I'm not exaggerating.
He walks like this and he looks like, he looked like all of his bones are so brittle, like he's about to snap.
Like this.
Is that true?
It's true. It's true. Daddy's back hurts. I know. A lot.
What else?
I don't know. What else? So much else.
Should we just get to the guest?
Yeah, let's get to the guest. Let's get on with it. All right. Your guest.
All right, granddad needs notes too.
Gang dash.
We've been going to different cities, and in each city, we are trying to invite a guest. that is part of its fabric, its spirit, its soul. This guy, so now you know it's a man, checks the boxes. He is also...
Giuliani.
Unann...
Giuliani.
Wait, no, I was saying...
Don't turn them against us already.
Wait, I may have skipped a sentence. Hold on a second. Oh, God.
Gang dash.
Look, man.
We've been going to different cities, and in each city, we're trying to invite a guest. that is part of its fabric, its spirit, its soul. This guy checks those boxes. He's also an enormous hero to each of us.
Oh.
He is comedy royalty.
I know exactly who it is.
Bullshit. You don't know who this is. I know exactly... Don't guess it yet. Hold on.
Mouth it to me. Hold on.
Don't let me see it. And he is the undisputed best at what he does. There's no...
He keeps going like this. Martin Short. Martin Short.
Short.
Are you finished?
Sorry.
Gang dash.
Fuck.
Thank you, Sean.
All right.
He's the undisputed best at what he does. No one better. Period. He has 52 Emmy nominations. to prove it, along with 12 wins.
He's got a Kennedy Center Honor, a Mark Twain Award,
but in the last few years,
he has selflessly chosen to stop everything and fill in for the recently deceased Santa Claus. Will, Sean, Brooklyn, please welcome Mr. David Letterman.
No!
No! Come on, Dave. No! Thank you. Oh, my God.
Whoo! Whoo! Whoa.
Hi, Sean. Great pleasure to see you. Jason, great pleasure to see you.
David.
Will, all my best, my friend. Nice to see you. Oh, my gosh.
No, no, no, no, no.
Where do I go? Get there.
No, this side.
Thank you very much. Hi. Terrific. Yeah. Terrific.
Wow.
Thank you. What a lovely thing and what a beautiful theater, and thank you and thank you again. That was delightful.
I was, uh...
Holy shit, right?
Yeah.
I'm sitting backstage, listening to you guys.
Thinking about the mistake you made.
No, and I'm... All I can think of is, I hope this doesn't cut into my time.
Yeah. Sorry.
We have run a little long. Let me get to question eight.
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, this is key.
Great. First of all, before you get into the questions... Go, Will. It's so great to see you.
Thank you for inviting me. Please.
Yes. Yes.
At...
At risk of... At risk of embarrassing you, I should say that, uh... And, I think I speak for Sean, but, uh... It is such an honor to have you here. You have always truly been one of my...
Oh, please. I know. I know.
Oh, please.
And I've done your show many... And I've told you that before, but it's true, and I'm so delighted that you're here. I can't believe it.
Oh, God bless all of you.
I would just like to add that he said he'd speak for me, but I've never said anything like that. Oh.
Well, let me...
I have a rundown. I have my own, uh... Sort of, uh... Document on you guys. My dossier here.
Uh, when you were first on the show...
Yeah.
Uh, what I remember about you, I think you were smoking. Yes, yeah.
Were you really?
Yeah, no, no.
Like, I was going in and out of smoking, and you would check in on my various appearances as to whether or not I was smoking at the time. That's right.
You didn't smoke on the show, though.
No, I never smoked on the... But I did do... You liked it when I went through my various smoking positions.
Yes, yes.
Which were... I told you I'd quit, but I missed doing the, like... Me? Yeah, yeah, sure. Like that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that was the hook upon which you were booked.
Yes. Yeah. I get it.
And extremely funny, and Toronto. I remember that about you.
Yeah, thank you. Oh, nice. Thank you.
Now, yeah. And Sean, the last few times you were on the show, you were doing a musical across the street.
Promises, promises. Hold for applause. Yeah.
And I don't know if it was between shows or before the show, but you came on with such enviable energy, such good-natured, likable excellence as a human.
That's the coke.
Yeah. That's very nice. And...
Whenever we would be talking after the show, the comment was always, why doesn't Sean have his own show? Well... Like a talk show. I know you've had shows. Right?
I mean,
that would be fantastic.
That's... You thought about it.
Yes, I thought about it. That's very kind of you. And if I ever did it, here we go, you are one of the biggest reasons why I would do it.
The biggest.
Yeah, you were such a... You are such a huge influence on me and so many people. I know you hate that and you're like, where do I put it?
No.
But it's like, it's really, really true. You are, what you said in the opening, a hero of all of ours. Thank you.
Poor shit. Thank you.
Now, here,
now I'll get to you. Now, you were on this show many, many, many times. And in the...
I know you won't believe this,
but we had pre-show meetings. And everyone...
Not with me.
No, not with you. Everyone was very excited. And then you would come on and...
We'd let that...
Wow, can the guy talk? And, I mean, really, we only had an hour show. What? And then, and then he was so, he had so many stories. And he told them so well and he had them memorized.
It was like talking to Charles Dickens, for God's sakes.
And then at 10.44, at 10.45, the people would be in the broadcast center editing because he had gone so long. So that's what I remember about the appearances of the three of you.
You were in a blackout, weren't you, most of the time?
Oh, I'm in a blackout right now. Now, this is, I'm fascinated to hear you say this, because this, I've always wanted to ask you this, or anyone that I have been on a talk show with. Because, so, for those that are, for Tracy.
Tracy.
Tracy.
Tracy. Tracy. Tracy.
Tracy's, my Shawn's sister in Wisconsin.
I'm aware of this.
Shawn's sister in Wisconsin doesn't understand showbiz lingo. Sometimes we gotta fill her in on the inside baseball. So, there is a pre-interview that a guest usually does, so that in the absence of a conversational skill, you have a set of predetermined questions and ballpark answers so that the host and the guest can have a palatable interview.
Non-existent on this show. Non-existent on this show.
Now, isn't that refreshing?
Spoken like a robot.
Is it? Yeah. So,
now I, because I, like all of us in this room and across the planet, are a huge fan of Dave Letterman. Oh, stop this. You wanna make sure you got your, your, your, your, your stuff together. So, I'd work on what could I possibly, what's funny? that's happened in my life in the last few weeks.
So, I've got some stuff to say. He's doing it now.
Yes.
So, I would have these stories and I thought I'm being responsible because, by the way, I remember watching you do an interview, maybe it was 60 Minutes or something, where they would say to you what constitutes a good interview. and you said, and I never forgot it, it drives you nuts when people come on the show and they think that you are lucky to have them sitting in the chair, when in fact they're lucky to sit in the chair because they're trying to promote something.
What time do you have? Yeah, I mean, we're really, I don't know, I just got a, I got a cue from the stage manager.
So, I always wondered if I went on too long, and now he's telling me I did. All those years. They all know,
they listen to the podcast so they know you go on too long and Dave knows you go on too long, but we all love you, Jason.
Yes, we do.
Now, you also, you also, some of your colleagues, visit with a guest before they come out. You never did that when I was...
Never would do that, no.
I love that.
because that was
true for him. So, there was a question 10, 15 minutes ago, are you going to go down and say hi to Dave? I was like, well, no, he never did that with any of his guests. Thank you. So, I probably shouldn't.
Was that a good decision? Yes, it was absolutely. In my case, I can't speak for the world, but in my case that was a good decision. Why?
Because you're down, so 10 minutes ago you're down in the dressing room. what are you doing?
Everything I know about, well, that's none of your business.
But everything I know about running a talk show I learned from Johnny Carson and Johnny Carson...
He never came back.
He was the guy before Jay Leno.
Jay would come back into the room, but Johnny never did.
I understand it was like the Rotary Club with Jay. Yeah. But Johnny would never come down because he always felt like whether I know the guest or do not know the guest. I want the, oh, hi, welcome to the house moment. Right.
And that initial electricity, or lack thereof, should come naturally. So, that's that.
That's the point of the whole show. Can I ask you this? What was your, I'm sure you remember, what was your first meeting like with Johnny? What was that event? Was that because he was hiring you to do the show?
Or was it just an appearance, like a regular appearance?
Yeah, the first time I was on The Tonight Show as a guest.
and it's interesting because we're talking about Johnny Carson. Had we been talking about Johnny Carson 30 years ago, the room would be full of a different kind of electricity. Sure, yeah. But for those who didn't experience that, he was, I think, the best ever at the show. business.
late night television talk show format. Without question.
And if you look at what he did now, the consistency of what this guy did. I mean, it wasn't once a week. It was night after night after night.
I will watch reruns with my husband. I'm gay, Dave.
I would watch... Still?
Yeah, still.
Yeah.
I am taking every medication that's not working. Okay.
Oh, my God.
This is awful. I know it's an awful job.
We need stuff to cut, Dave.
So, Dave, me and Scotty a lot of times check out old Johnny Carson episodes and it's amazing how long he spoke to the guest. It was like a 20 minute, 30 minute interview, and are you happy that you didn't have to do that, or would you have preferred to have the time?
Well, that's an excellent question. I think you always would like a little more time, especially if you're enjoying the moment, the guest. But the thing about Johnny, he just was always Johnny and it didn't make any difference who the guest was or what was going on. You just wanted a chance before you went to sleep, to visit with your friend Johnny, and he did that for 30, some years, and there was... I never saw the guy break a sweat.
I never saw him miss a beat.
But people feel the exact same way about you. They do.
Well, how many...
I'd like to see the paperwork on this.
How many... And we're going to get into Jason's appearance on Johnny Carson, his first one. Oh, yeah.
There you go.
It's great, and I wish we had an image we could pull up because it's tremendous. This is great. But how many times did you do the Tonight Show with Johnny before you... Then he sort of anointed you, as the... You know, to do the late night.
Well, you guest hosted a bunch, yeah?
Yep. A few times, maybe a couple of dozen times, guest hosting and appearing as a guest on the show, and then we got the 1230 show which Seth Meyers now has, and Conan O'Brien had that show for a while as well. I want to tell you something. I've been listening to the show and I had it on when Ryan Reynolds was on.
God bless Ryan Reynolds.
And...
A great comedian.
And I started thinking, oh, this is... I have to talk to him for the little Netflix deal, and I listened to him on your show and I thought there's no point. This is the best piece of entertainment, not in a film with Ryan Reynolds and friends. I just... It depressed me.
So today, I thought, okay, I'm going to be there in Brooklyn and I'll just listen to another one. And it was Barry Sonnenfeld. Yeah. Oh, right. I know.
And he was on your show a lot.
Yes. And we loved him. Talk about a guy that had to have a little editing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, boy. They're still working on his last segment.
You know the story about his getting... When he first started in pornography as a young cameraman, and that story, which was about five minutes on our show, was 40 minutes and we all agreed that, even for us, we thought, there's no way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. My mom can't hear this story.
Yeah, we pulled it. We pulled it out. No one will ever hear it. It's the most repulsive story.
you could ever imagine.
It's unbelievable.
We rarely do that.
So the same thing with this, I know Barry Sonnenfeld, as Will mentioned, and I couldn't finish listening because it was so good and I thought, oh, I'm going to go out there and just dump all over their show. And I tell you what I love about it is the theme music for the podcast. Right? Yeah. It's great.
It's catchy. It's... You know, they haven't put the bar too high.
No, no.
It's pretty dead. Yeah, you know... Like we are.
You know, the show can live up to that.
And then the Barry Sonnenfeld one, you were in London. Yes. And I'm thinking, this is the example of why radio ruled the world before television. Yeah, yeah. Instantly now, I'm envisioning myself being in London and you guys, I assume, are on the West Coast.
Yeah, yeah. Didn't really come to mind. In slippers. But Will... In slippers.
Slippers and PJs.
But I just, I was delighted by it. But then again, the interview with Barry Sonnenfeld was so good, I couldn't finish that one either. I'm sorry.
Now, are you, are you, are you loving doing long form conversations as opposed to the ten minute sprints?
Well, there's two different things here. Yes, the longer the better. But, you know, they're two different machines. The talk show is, understand, you had trouble on the airplane coming in from L.A. That's the talk show.
Yeah. And then the longer form is, have you ever seen an airplane? That's a whole different story.
It's a little roomier in that house.
And we will be right back.
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Alright, back to the show. When you decide who you want to talk to, are you, because, like for us, it's obviously, it's see if the hero X, Y, or Z is interested in talking to us, and or who could we learn something from? because we are less than smart. That's right. How do you go about deciding who you want to talk to?
It's the same. Everything is a compromise and sometimes you're pleased with the compromise, sometimes you have to, you know, take one and wait your turn. Yeah. It's not, that's the most difficult part about it. I'm guessing you, gentlemen, perhaps do not have the obstacles that we sometimes have getting guests for our show, because.
Hang on.
No, no. I want to say everybody, I knew when they, because people, they're surprised to see me.
They say, well, what are you going to do? And I mentioned this. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. For some reason, people really embrace the idea of the show.
I don't get it.
That's a good point. for some reason. That's the part that sticks out.
It's so beautiful because it's so organic, because I believe you are friends from a previous existence. Yes.
We're three, and we did start it genuinely so that we could, you know, spend time with each other.
During COVID.
Before the pandemic,
That was quite legitimate and we did set the bar very low. It was very DIY and it's still, for all intents and purposes, is the way we do the show, the way we put it together.
Do it myself.
Do it myself.
Thank you.
And we try to keep resetting the bar as low as possible, and that's what I, I wish. I could go back and tell my parents in high school how important it was to keep the bar low. That's what, I was building to this. You know what I mean?
It's, it's like being in the Admirals Club waiting for a flight and you hear three people, genuinely interesting and friendly, talking to one another.
But you had, you had,
you had ratings to tell you, oh, there are people watching your show. We literally open up our laptops again in our pajamas. doing this, had no idea if people were listening to this, and then you, nice people, bought tickets to a tour, which was the only verification we had that people were listening. It's a little absurd. So thank you very much.
It is absurd. Dave, I, I, you know.
Oh, search word.
Oh, let's pull it over to the side.
This is great.
You really, really honored the man.
It's not, you know, everybody.
Let me help you out. Favorite color.
You know,
Dave, I don't know if you know that Sean was nominated.
for host of the year. Oh, host of the year. Host of the year. I, I Heart Radio podcast host of the year. and again, I'm not telling you to belabor it, but Sean sent Sean, Jason and me a text saying, hey guys, congrats.
We were nominated for this award, and the second sentence highlights the fact that he was nominated for host of the year, to which Jason and I responded, well, congrats, I guess. Yeah,
he didn't read the body of the email, just the headline that we'd gotten a couple nominations.
Well, on the most joyous part of that whole thing was you losing. That's right.
You lost.
That's right.
who is host of the year?
Who is host of the year?
I have no idea.
No, no, no, seriously, who won?
I'm being serious, I have no idea. Well,
you're a nominee, you should know.
You've been nominated, do you know all the people in your category?
I do.
They're all pinned up.
on your wall. Yes, and most of them are Jon Stewart.
You do,
you know, the, the grind of a talk show that you, the late night with David Letterman, everybody knows. the grind is just, you work your balls off like five days a week, you're always there, everybody knows that and because of that, you tend to have a more reclusive life and, and we all, people are kind of amazed when you appear anywhere, because like, oh my God, Dave, it's like a magic trick. It's like, somebody called you.
Respond to these accusations that you're a recluse.
Right? Oh my God, he's walking upright.
But, but so, so what, what do you think has changed since your show? You chose to end your show from then and now. Have you evolved into, other than your Netflix show, other than business-wise, what do you reflect upon now and think differently about?
Your Honor, could I hear the question again, please?
Is that what I sound like? Oh, no,
no, that was not even close.
to what we all were, so it's worse than that.
That was Reader's Digest compared to you.
Well,
I gotta start, while you're answering, I'm gonna start studying my questions here for a second.
I don't know exactly what to say.
Yes, that's okay. That's okay. I just think, like, are you more open to things that you weren't, now that you may have not been? Well,
I realize that, and perhaps the three of you feel the same, and I hope not, when you have a show, and I don't know that it's like that now, but I was so single-minded that I shut out a lot of other experiences in my life that I should have been enjoying. Well,
this is what I'm talking about, David.
Well, I wish you had said that. Easy.
Just stop pressing him.
Why are you,
why are you making this?
so contentious, Sean?
If you want to lay down for the rest of the therapy, I can go sit over there.
But I will say that, you know, many, many things that are more important to me now than I knew they were when I had a show. Right. And I think that's lopsided. So that's a regret of being on the air that long.
I feel like we're skirting around family. Let's talk about family, Dave.
Okay.
No, let's talk about your family. What about,
what about,
what about your sister?
Thank you. Her name's Tracy. She's, you want to come to Madison?
I love, I've been to Madison, University of Wisconsin. Beautiful, yeah.
Yeah, we're going there. Yeah, Now, I used to love you talking about your drive to work in your monologue. Did you drive here today?
Uh, I rode here.
You rode here today. Did we send, we send a car?
Someone did.
Okay. Now, do you, well,
sorry, I thought you meant a motorcycle. I legitimately did.
I wish. Oh, you know how I got here on my Harley?
No, no.
You got motorcycles. And I wish it was a Harley.
That's not true.
No.
You, but you, you've got some.
Yeah, but when you get to be my age, every time you get on one, you think, oh, I shouldn't be on this.
Right.
And so, they are less ridden than they used to be.
Do you still like driving fast?
Uh, yes, I do, but I don't anymore. I lost my license for a month because of driving fast, and that took it right out of me.
Because,
on the, on the Merritt.
On the Merritt Parkway, yes. Yeah, that's great.
It's a great road to drive quickly on. Well, what, what,
what, how fast?
Fans of Connecticut highways. Hey,
yeah.
I get it. how fast were we going?
Uh,
the fastest I've gone in a passenger car, there's two figures. There's the European number and then there's the Long Island Expressway number. Long Island Expressway, 140..
Yeah, that's.
Autobahn, 150..
Nice. Wow.
Nice.
Now, don't you agree?
I like it a lot.
I think that makes a lot of sense, right? So there's,
there's no speed limit.
now you,
Jason, tell him, you're a very, Jason has won the,
the. Oh, please. No,
come on.
It's a cheesy celebrity race. You,
you won the. Oh, the Toyota Celebrity Grand Prix. You, you did that, didn't you? I never did it, because I knew I would make a fool of myself. Oh,
I'll bet you wouldn't.
But you won the race?
I did pretty well.
First, one year, second, and third.
I don't like to brag.
Wow. So you, you were on the podium three years in a row?
I don't know if they were consecutive. Yeah, I know. Come on. Come on.
But, but. And, Jason, Jason, you're not going to switch the subject. And, and in a non-celebrity race, you also partook in a professional race in the Poconos,
am I right? I, yes, we did, Lime Rock, and. Lime Rock, And then, and then the Poconos, I, I got in a spill. Yeah. Because some dingbat got in a crash in front, and then I had to go through the wreckage, flipped over, and the wheel well came up, the wheel came up through the wheel, well, smashed, my ankle, broke a bone, only broken bone I've ever had, and then I said, I'm going to leave this to the professionals, I'll go back to the cheesy stuff.
Well, he illustrates exactly what kept me from doing this sort of thing. He's, he's exactly right. Now, were you on the oval at Pocono?
The, the tri-oval. The tri-oval. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that you can get some speed going there. But, speaking of speed, don't you think.
What kind of car were you in?
This was a sport truck series, so it's, it's pickup trucks, but lowered. It's not, yeah, see, it's not that impressive.
that's so on brand. There is nothing.
Right?
Nothing impressive.
Nothing more exciting than watching trucks race.
Woo. Where, where do I get my season pass?
So, from the excitement of car racing to something truly mundane, I, I, I really want to know, what'd you do today? What, what do you do every day?
now. that's what I'm interested in. I want to know,
what's just a normal day for Dave? Are you an early riser? Let's start there.
not an early riser. Really? I go to bed late. I stay up late watching climbing movies. Oh.
Oh,
no,
no, shut up, Will.
Will,
oh God. He loves,
he loves, any of the foreign crime shows on Netflix with subtitles. He'll, he'll talk to you to your ears. bleed about that or climbing stuff.
Yeah, but wait,
what about Solo? Did you see Solo? Free, Solo. Free Solo, This is years ago for me.
Han Solo. No,
no, Free Solo, Free Solo.
I'm down to watching Slovakian people climb their way through the Tatras in English subtitles and, and I don't know why. I, I know Alex Honnold, like he's a member of the family, and I, and I can't stop watching him.
That's the Free Solo guy, Alex Honnold.
he's amazing.
He's been on the show, eh?
Eh?
No, he's the Canadian.
That's the Canadian.
Sorry. Now I, there's,
there's something about Mal.
But he should be on the show.
He should be on the show and the 100 foot wave too. Sorry, just the, that's incredible. In Portugal,
yeah.
Anytime. you see these people who are doing incredible things and the other guy, who's the, yeah, 14 feet.
Excellent, yeah.
And we're good.
Now there is something about Mount Everest.
Did you get heckled a lot last night with the businesses?
well, we did. I mean, if, if, you know, the sound of seats emptying counts as heckling. I'm sure. Forgive me.
Apparently, there were quite a few people that left on the show. Let's go, Carol.
Get your, you go first, Ellen.
There is something about Mount Everest that's like a magical draw to me. Do you have a, a Mount Everest? uh, uh, uh, uh, draw at all?
Well, I, I, I know quite a lot about Mount Everest from the two dozen films I've watched about climbing Mount Everest.
Would you?
Oh, God, no.
Really?
The lift?
Yes. The, the scenery, typically lovely and the kind of things I will not see, probably in my lifetime, regrettably.
Yeah,
I felt that way like when I went to Paris for the first time. I was like, well, there's the Eiffel Tower. It's just like every movie and postcard. I've got it. I'm ready to go.
Well, when you're climbing Mount Everest, every film about climbing Mount Everest, did, I'm sorry, did I lean on your laugh there? No.
No.
It wasn't going.
to get higher.
So, you would not, what about just base camp?
No, no, good Lord, no.
It's just a helicopter ride.
No, it's not. Helicopters can't fly above 20,000 feet because the air, the air, is so thin. No, no, no,
but they do rescues that are higher than that, right?
No.
No? No.
Oh, God. Rescues above that elevation are rarely successful, but you get into what they call the death zone.
The death zone, yeah. Where,
where your body starts consuming itself. Yeah. And, and the air is so thin and, and you lose your voice and you get dizzy and you get block headed, and I heard one man describe he was coughing up tissue from his own throat.
Oh.
So you see why I can't live without him.
David. That's great. Now, you don't do climbing,
I don't do climbing either. My, my dad climbed Kilimanjaro when he was about 73.. Wow. Which is not huge, yeah,
but it,
but it's pretty big.
19,000 feet. What?
Yeah. I always tell these guys stuff about my dad and they're like, what? And I'm like, well, you never, and it turns out they never ask.
Yeah. my dad wrote a book.
during quarantine, he wrote a novel.
That you bored us with earlier.
Yeah.
fiction, non-fiction?
Uh, uh, fiction, but based on a true story.
You guys never ask about my dad.
Well,
it's not, it's not a happy story.
How do you describe a black hole? Like, you know what I mean?
Well, it's just a car, just tires screeching.
Speaking of.
speeding away, yeah,
um, we don't, Sean, he invites this day, by the way, just in case you think we're being cruel. Yeah, yeah. He set me up for that.
I feel like I came on a bad night. I know you did.
come on a bad night. Um, I wanted to ask you just to get out of climbing for a second and go back to just, because I'm fascinated with when you started and you started doing Late Night, and in fact, I think you, and correct me if I'm wrong, started actually in a daytime show in the hosting capacity.
I used to watch it all the time. It was on NBC at like nine in the morning.
Yes, yeah. I used to watch it.
as a kid. I was, I was fascinated by you. Yeah. Like, because nobody was doing that kind of comedy, especially during the day in the morning.
When you started and that you got that job coming out of, you were a standup for many years. and what was that, what was that transition like? Did you know at that moment you were saying goodbye to your standup career and that you were going a different direction?
Yeah. In my day, those days, a long time ago, it was much easier to know what you were going to do and know how to get there. And so I knew that if I wanted to get a television show, I had to go to California and start doing standup. And then you get on The Tonight Show and then, if you're lucky, other things happen. And that's exactly what happened for me.
where did doing The Weather in Indianapolis fit into that plan?
That was my nascent television career.
So, that was the, the, the door that was open happened to be The Weather door?
Yes.
Yes. And, and did you enjoy that?
I, I, I just enjoyed, first of all, not a meteorologist, did not know anything about The Weather, still really don't.
But it was, you know, I was like 20 years old and they put me on TV. So that's kind of what I enjoyed. And then, I knew that this is what I wanted to do with my life, not this, necessarily. Nobody,
nobody wants to do this. It's only about 15 minutes more.
And so then I went to California and I got this show and we moved to New York and it was, like Sean said, it was 90 minutes, live.
Yeah.
And within a month, the NBC Daytime Television Network collapsed. And affiliates were running. They were selling their stations, they were burning things, insurance people were investigating, all because of me and my friends. And, and I don't, I don't know how you guys felt about your entree to show business, but you made a, a life of it when you were a...
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