SPECIAL: Dan Bongino on The Megyn Kelly Show and Timcast IRL

Gates, A spokeswoman for Gates confirming Epstein was blackmailing him, Yeah.

You ready for this? I don't know if you guys are ready. I get a call, I don't know. About four years ago, it's from, let's say, a friend prior line of work thing, right?

Guy says, Listen, and this guy who calls me is an unimpeachable source. This guy's not like some ham and egg or tomato. Can guy throwing out some theory about a UFO he saw 72 years ago? Whatever, this is like a legit, no-nonsense guy, guy you trust with your wife, kid and car, right? He says. You know, I got sent on a temporary assignment once, and on that assignment, I got sent out with the WCD detail. William Clinton Detail.

And I knew this guy well, and he says, Dan, I got to share this with someone. He says, I go on a plane and Bill, you know, Clinton gets on the plane with this guy. And it turns out later. The guy's Epstein. Now, this guy I'm talking to this source, he don't know who to, you know, Jeffrey Epstein is.

He's just getting on a plane, doing the thing, the whole, you know, protection gig, right? He says. I get on the plane. And there are these girls who are obviously not of age, who are on this plane, they're clearly young, these are not women, these are girls.

And he says, I see Clinton, like, disappear into the back with. He goes. I don't know what happened, I'm not saying what happened, because all I know is he disappeared. And these girls were back there or whatever. And he said, they land at the next stop, wherever it was. And he goes up to the boss on the detail and he says, I ain't getting back on this plane, cause he's, remember, he's a temp.

He's not so, he's not used to like whatever Clinton was up to with the whole shenanigans thing. And this guy's clear as the driven snowman, he don't want to mess around with this, he says. Whatever just happened back there, like, I don't want any piece of it, you know? They sent him home.

They sent that guy home and he never. He's never tempted at detail again. Now remember all of those blackberries on that detail. Here's where the story gets super weird. The guy tells me, What is it? Months or a couple of weeks later, when you lose property in the secret Service, an email goes out. I'll say like, Hey, I lost his phone and it goes. It gets logged into NCIC or whatever it is, and everybody knows.

So basically, if you find this guy's gun got verbatim his phone, it's now effectively stolen property, right? All of a sudden, all the blackberries on that detail for the agents start showing up, like, Oh, this guy lost his blackberry. Holy shit, wow.

That's so crazy. How'd that happen? I'm like, No, he says. Yes, he says. It was the craziest thing.

Like, Oh, look, agent Joey, bag of donuts, missing Blackberry, missing Blackberry. This is around the whole time, like, the Clinton thing's going on, so fast forward this story, right? He tells me that about a year and a half after that, I'm in a green room at Fox. And I'm not going to say who, cause they didn't give me permission to share it. But the short story, but not who they are, says, You know, Epstein's a an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East, right?

I'm like, No, I didn't know that. I'm like, you sure that the person, let's say, is like, I'm absolutely sure that that. He's either a witting or unwitting asset, intelligence asset, meaning his plane and that island, the cameras. There's a big assumption out there that these videotapes were exclusively in the custody of Epstein. That's a huge mistake. The reason they wanted this story to go away is because there's an assumption like, Oh, yeah, Epstein had him.

No, he wasn't the only one who had him, according to this source. These assets. That's why this blackmail story makes so much sense. Which Middle Eastern countries they are, I don't know, but this person, who is a very, very good reporter, I mean, Aces, right? Swore. Epstein was either a witting or unwitting intelligence asset, and they may have had his plane wired up. And they're the ones who have all this stuff. So the point is to sum it up, how? How do you know some of these countries aren't going to some of these power players who aren't making decisions? Because, hey, he wouldn't want this video out there, right?

How do you know?

I don't really give a shit what the left says, so I don't. I'm not suggesting you do. I'm just saying, like, if you want cutesy time and stuff like, I'm definitely not your guy because I give zero fucks about that.

Like, we have an option. Why? I lived through it in New York City. So before we send in the National Guard and talk about any military intervention, we could just do like what we actually did in New York. It was called broken windows policing.

It wasn't even complicated, they just went out. I mean, we don't have time to go over the whole thing here, but the essence of it is really, really simple. They went out and said, Hey, we should just arrest people for doing like crimes like.

It can't be that simple. No, I promise you, it was when I got out of the police department, the whole idea was, Listen, we need cops on the corner. So if you see a kid jumping a turnstile in a train station, let him go, Tim, because you know what I need you out there.

I can't have you processing this kid all night. That's not a dumb idea. You're like, Yeah, that makes sense. We want to prevent the robberies and the rapes, not that.

Well, what happened? The dude who jumped the turnstiles, the guy who rapes the woman? He hasn't paid a fare, but so you catch him there. And they cleaned up New York overnight.

I heard him mention something about it. I said, Are you from El Salvador? He says, Yes, and I said, What do you think about what's going on? And he says, I left there a long time ago, but now it's getting really, really good and I'm going to go back.

I'm like, someone who moved to America now wants to go back to El Salvador. So my concern is this. I completely agree we have to be worried about a government that goes rogue. It was conservatives who were very gung ho on Patriot Act stuff.

But I think it's a losing position to be like, Hey, I don't want to go and arrest a thousand people because of what the precedent set. If another bad person gets in office, it's like, no, you got to arrest bad people doing bad things, even if it means it looks bad. So you end up with people in law enforcement saying, I'll give you a story. Actually, I was just skating in Hagerstown Skate Park and the local guys over there, Hagerstown, Maryland, you know where Hagerstown is.

And if anyone else does, they're getting arrested because they're concerned about what the locals will. The public will think about cops coming in and grabbing a bunch of kids and roughing.

Like, we're going to back away from it. And this leads to excessive lawlessness. The solution would then be having a team of cops come out in gear, grabbing 12 kids, pinning them down and arresting them all. And then you get a ton of videos of cops in specialized armor fighting a mob of kids, a gang, you got to arrest them.

You got to arrest them.

We're doing a proffer, I'm a federal agent, I'm not a cop anymore, I'm working with the Secret Service, I'm in a proffer session with this guy.

Properly called a king for a day deal, bad guy's lawyer comes in. You're sitting around a table, no different than this, basically, whatever he says in there, they call it king for a day. Because we're not going to use it against him unless he lies.

If he lies, then he can use it. So it's called a proffer session. We're in there with this guy, we get this guy. This is a massive, massive like fraud scheme going on.

I'm not going to say the guy's name, obviously, but we pull out a photocopy of his driver's license, we slide it across the table. It's the wrong guy, it's not the guy, it's a different guy.

He turns around, he goes, That's not me. We're like, it wasn't my case, it was part of it. I'm like, Holy shit.

That's not this guy now. The crazy thing is, the guy admitted to like 20 or 30 different crimes. In this proffer session and we're like, What the hell do we do now, this guy? Because it's a proffer, it's a king for a day. My point is that we have rules and procedures, and those rules and procedures have to matter.

For as much as I would have loved to have pulled that guy out of her hand. I was like, Ah, fuck the rules, you just admitted to all this stuff. We know you did it. The hard reality is, once those rules go away and it becomes a discretion of people in power, they will always, always abuse it, always.

So this conversation starts with El Salvador specifically, I don't think that's what El Salvador is doing. I think. Now what you're actually seeing is a president who said, we're going to uphold the law as the law is meant to be upheld. Instead of governments that were working with the criminals. Yeah, but you got to worry about the guy that comes after Bikaila.

That's the problem. I just don't see this making sense. A president comes in El Salvador and says, Hey, all these things they're doing is illegal, and these cartels were working with corrupt government officials. Now that I'm here, I'm going to start arresting them for crimes.

I'm not, I am not worried about what happens next, because the next president should uphold the law in the exact same way that the previous did. But the thing is, he's arresting them for crimes, it's not for not crimes. That's why I'm saying-.

You know what, there are going to be a lot of people who live because of that. My point, I guess, in this whole thing and where I don't want to get. I don't want to be confused with you or get sideways on this one is. I just think we got to be very careful. Championing this stuff here like this is some kind of model for the United States.

A lot of people, even on our side, were like, Oh my gosh, if we could only do this here, like, what? Like spying on people without warrants, like we did for Trump? Like.-.

You're telling me, like, all of these people got some kind of judicial process, I don't know. I'm afraid to champion that. I think everyone else should be, too, and you know what?

If it makes me like, Oh, what are you? Some kind of someone said to me, You're a bleeding heart liberal or something. I said, Well, are you a madman? Like, Are you crazy? I'm the guy on Fox and all these things, defending the cops when they do good police work.

I'm the guy doing that.

So the government tried charging them with conspiracy because they all chose to wear black to hide the crimes of the individuals in the crowd. And the court said, You can't do that. Prove to me that man right there through the firebomb, or he is free to go. So the only people who got criminally charged were those who pleaded guilty. And that was early on, until the NGOS came in and said, No, no, no, don't worry to all the leftists.

If you committed felonies, we will make sure you never see a minute in jail. Not only were these people freed after destroying D.C. in an insurrection, they sued the city and won large sums of money. A society that functions, that operates that way, can't function when you have the inverse happening to the other side. So you have the far left extremists firebombing buildings, smashing windows. And the courts say, sorry. Then you have January Six, and they say, we will hunt you down to the end of the earth and lock you up indefinitely, without charge or trial. That's where we're currently at.

So if, if my point is this, if you are staring at an opponent who is cheating to the extreme degree and you keep saying no, no. We're going to let them keep doing it, we want them to stop, maybe one day we can stop them. I'm just like, at a certain point, the question is for El Salvador. The gangs are working with the government, and they all know who the gangs are, they know who the bosses are, and it's corrupt as corrupt can be.

So there's death, nobody wants to be there. You get someone comes in and says, we know these guys are, they got the tattoos. We've got the records because they were colluding with government, let's start arresting them.

I'm not saying it's perfect, I'm not saying I know everything that happened, I'm just saying right now we're dealing with in the U..S is. I watched the far left burn down cities and the courts then say, Well, we agree with Dan Bongino on this. Then, when the right goes in protest in Portland, the cops say, Nope, we're going to lock them up because, you know, they're part of a group.

Yeah.

There's no air between us there. Like, I absolutely agree. My simple suggestion here is that there's a. There's a way to fix that, and the way to fix that, and the only way to fix it. It's not violence, cause once you cross the red line, it's over.

Like, there's no going back going. Oh, I'm sorry, I killed that guy. Like, once you go down that path, there's just no. And I think a lot of people who talk a lot of shit about violence have never been there. Like, if you guys actually sat there at a crime scene with, like a dude's head blown off on the potatoes in a freaking bodega. When you're the new guy, you know what that looks like.

It doesn't even look real like it looks fake, it doesn't look real. If you've never seen. I swear like, you're like, Wow, that guy's head split in half, like.

That's kind of crazy, like I can see the cerebellum. Like, we have a way to fix this stuff, we have a constitutional process.

The fact that it's broken isn't like, ah, fuck it, let's just like, throw it out and declare like martial law.

Do you what? do you think?

Um, cause I didn't want to make the story about me, and I said, You know, it's bizarre. They're writing, Ah, nobody can survive outside of Fox. They said. Look at Megyn Kelly, who hasn't done much since. And I shook my head. I'm like, what a bunch of morons.

Do they not understand? See, I understand the podcast space and I watch our rankings, cause I'm super competitive about everything. I know the audience you have. I can reasonably guess it it's a Norman that that forget even social or anything like that.

I'm just talking about strict downloads and watches, right? So I'm reading these articles about how Glenn Beck, Oh man, it's over for Glenn. Bill O'Reilly finished. Megan hasn't done anything that Dan Bongino and Tucker, they're going to be finished. And I'm thinking, these people really don't get it.

And I'm talking about media in general, but I'm not sure some people at Fox really understand that. You know, they were good to me, I'm not going to knock them. To me. The tucker thing, I think, obviously, was an enormous catastrophic mistake. I have friends over there still.

I enjoyed my time. I love them to death and I'm not telling you anything, I haven't told them. I just don't think they understand that.

A lot of people in cable news Megan are fighting yesterday's war. they beat CNN and it's over. That fight has been number one for 20 years. They're not the problem, you're the problem now.

You're the problem. Podcasts rumble, YouTube, Twitter with Elon. That's the problem. This space has been totally disaggregated right now.

People can go put Megan Kelly in a search engine and watch your show a thousand different ways, they can watch clips on Twitter. People spread it around and I did this whole thing on my show, and I did a simple internet search of Megan Kelly. I'm like, Wow, totally irrelevant.

They only wrote about it 10 times today. What kind of idiot thinks? And again, you're in my time slot. So I didn't care. I really loved the whole parallel media system.

And I don't give a damn, I want to see you succeed and everyone else. But I just think number one, it was a huge mistake. Because they may say to themselves, with Tucker, at least getting back to that specific thing. Oh, you know, no sweat, don't worry about it.

You know where's he going to go? Well, the answer is, it doesn't matter wherever he goes. People are just going to go find them like they find you on Sirius, the internet rumble, it doesn't matter.

The whole system's been broken apart. And I really think, just to wrap this up for Fox's sake. Because again, I have friends over there and Megan, for as many issues as you and I may have. We need Fox, we need a healthy, conservative alternative, and Newsmax is doing great.

Not knocking them. Their audience is exploding, but it's still, even with people leaving Fox's and Fox's audience, we need them healthy. What are we going to do? Watch MSNBC or CNN?

They need to explain what happened with Tucker. You can't leave this out there in the Ether because people are filling in the blanks and saying, because of ABCD, you know, XYZ, and filling in their own reasons. They got to explain this, or I think that the problems are going to continue.

They're not on the way up anymore in terms of audience share and popularity, and they no longer have a monopoly. For all the reasons you just stated. So, some humility would serve them well right now in understanding their audience is their business, that is their entire business. You thumb the middle finger at those people.

Your business is over, they're your bosses. And to not even show them the courtesy of an explanation on their favorite host is absolutely disrespectful. And the audience is punishing them. It's punishing the whole primetime right now.

And I think they're going to continue punishing the eight. They're now reportedly moving Hannity to eight, and they're going to put Jesse at nine, and they're going to put Gutfeld at 10. Laura moves to seven, according to the Drudge report. I don't think that's smart right now because the audience likes Sean, he's been there for years.

I know he's a good friend of yours and I like Sean too. But they're punishing Fox, so don't take one of your biggest stars and line him up for punches in the face. Because he's going to get it too, he is going to get it next.

And it's just not setting anybody up for success.

He's a good guy, he's an impossible guy to not like. But the ratings are still not great, so your assertion there is absolutely correct. They're clearly not targeting them specifically because some shows have done OK.

Like people. And the Five seems to be holding up reasonably well, but they really do need to provide some kind of an explanation. It's just it's not going to work to keep it out there like that. That this didn't happen because I think a lot of people think this may be some kind of anti-trump thing. I got to say, I don't.

That wasn't my case, my deal with Fox. I haven't told the story anywhere else. You get the first kind of crack at this outside of what I said on my podcast, but I was not targeted my show. They were dying to re-up for the.

We negotiated for an entire year so that I can't tell you that, Oh, Fox got rid of me because they didn't. That's not the liberal, you know, Jerk Wads are going around. Dan Bongino was fired. I just give them the middle finger.

It's just stupid, they're just making it up. I was there, I negotiate my own deals, I don't have an agent.

I do my own business deals, I don't need any, I do my own business, right? They wanted the show.

I just had a different vision for my role at the network, and that's okay. I was not. I'm not the Saturday guy. MEGAN I'm sorry, I can't work six days a week.

I've got, I've got young kids, and I'm not working six days a week. And even though we recorded the show on Friday, you know the inside baseball of Fox. What happens when there's breaking news, which with Trump out there is all the time you gotta be on. So I'm on a boat with my friend, I'm having a few adult sodas, maybe one too many adult sodas, not driving the boat.

Don't worry about it. And all of a sudden you get a call, Hey, there's a balloon from China. We got to go live. Uh, I'm sorry, I'm not sure I'm in any condition to go live, but I'll give it a shot.

And um, you know, I mean, we. Not that I ever went on the air, but listen, it's hard. So I didn't do it and I said, I'm sorry, like, that's not going to work out, so I definitely was not fired.

Liberals are just making that up. But with the tucker thing happening, a couple of people, you know, people call you and stuff. And I was definitely, you know, I'm not trying to. I don't want to put lipstick on this thing, but I'm not the easiest guy to deal with. Megan I'm like a major PETA pain in the. You know, you can figure out that I just am because I've got my own stuff, I've got my own investments.

I've got rumble, I've got my podcast, my radio show. And the thing I think your success out there on your own has bought you is freedom. Money buys freedom. I hate to say it, but it's true.

I know you're not in this strictly for the cheese, but let's be honest, you know, it buys you freedom. And I was in a position with them where I could walk away from a show on Fox and say, I'm sorry, that's not my vision and it's different. But someone told me later that, you know, in the end, it probably they weren't that eager the last few weeks to make this thing work. Because, you know you, you could be a little aggravating to work with, and that they're not wrong, and that's okay.

Maybe I'm not a company guy in that respect.

So, I mean, talk about not planning out to the future when you make your employment decisions. But you and I both know, Dan. The truth is, 95 of the people who are on those cable news lineups right now would do anything. To be in your slot or my slot right now. That they want what we have, they want to get out of the thumb. Um, from underneath the thumb of these big corporate cable giants who dictate what they can say, who most of them know. The vast majority are platform players. They don't think that they could make it out here without the support of the Fox News digital platform and the, you know, the The Cable channel, and so on. So it's not available to everybody. But even many of the stars over there will text me and say, like, I'm so envious. Because you can do it on your own terms. And people, you say that we're on the same time, nobody even knows that.

They just download the Dan Bongino show, that's what I do right, and they can listen to you, they can listen to me.

You can listen on two point speed, so you can get it fast. Way more information than you would get if you were just sitting there watching freaking cable all day.

How do I do that? Do what, get out on your own, establish a rumble, a YouTube, whatever you want to do. Go out there and do your own show. That you run, that you sell, that you have maybe a sales agent with the best, but you are in the editor, editor in chief of your own show.

You run your own business and very few people would trade the other way. Now, having a show on Fox or Newsmax is still nice. There are still people who are not that tech savvy. I mean, my my dad. He admitted himself and I had to coach him to rumble. It's not complicated, but he's used to turn it on.

What I call Megan. The one button problem The advantage Newsmax and Fox still have over us is there's a generation of 40 plus, me included, who. Some of us are not that tech savvy. They are used to one button, They keep Fox or Newsmax on all day, and they hit power. I call it the one button problem.

The problem with Roku and other things, it's not a problem for the kids, they know exactly what to do. Bang, bang, bang, they're done easy.

A lot of folks our age, they, you know, they're not used to that. Oh, what do you mean? I got to go to an app, where do I find that? and they give up.

That's going away in 10 years. That'll be a non-issue with smart TVs. The grandkids come over and show them one time and they're good. So that's where people like you and I on our own, and you got the people at the Daily Wire who are doing their own thing.

That's when I think the cord cutting is going to be apocalyptic. You just heard Dan Bongino.