#2014 - Jim Gaffigan
2023-07-28 02:51:16
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Yeah, I know, I just saw that clip of Jordan. I don't miss it either.
Yeah, he's got weird autoimmune issues. So for him, there was like an elimination diet, and he found out there was just a bunch of things that his body was reacting to in a very negative way, and one of them apparently, was vegetables. A lot of it is like just complex carbohydrates. You know, a lot of it is bread and pasta and stuff like that. A lot of people get really inflamed eating that, and it causes a host of issues.
Isn't that great? I mean, well, eventually, isn't there, you know, like even the problem with chemo, you know, I'm a guy who tells diarrhea jokes, so I know a lot about this. Isn't the expectation that if they could kind of concierge your cancer treatment to your specific type of cancer, for your type of body or your type of cells, that that's why people are going to be able to live to 100?. Rich people are going to be able to live to 100..
I think there's definitely a lot of research that's done in that way, but I also think that there's so many factors when it comes to cancer. There's environmental factors. There's lifestyle factors, like what you're eating, like how much stress you're under. There's a lot of genetic issues. There's a lot going on when it comes to cancer.
Yeah. I mean, there is like, I mean, you just hear about, you know, people from the Philippines, like an entire family, everyone died of cancer at 40.. And you're like, eh.
Yeah.
What's going on there? Yeah. You know?
Unfortunately, some of it is genetic. Some people just have a shit roll of the dice, genetically, you know?
Are you saying that because I have all recessive genes? Do you? I mean, I am literally, I'm like, everything's recessive. I literally went into the dermatologist and he's like, you know what, we're just going to, like, you know, because I don't know if you ever get the cancer stuff, the basal cells. He's like, we should probably just chop off your arms because they're just all basal cells.
So it's like, I am, you know, I'm all recessive genes, blonde hair, blue eyes.
How did white people, really white people, deal with the sun back in the day before sunscreen? I don't know.
Well, I think, I think some of it is, you know, if they're in Northern Ireland or Scotland, I don't, I think it's all right. Yeah. And they're also not living past 40.. Right? Right?
I mean, they're kind of.
Yeah.
They're like, look at this thing called alcohol. And then they're like, let's do this for the rest of our time.
We're on Earth.
Well, back then, like in the early, early days, they drank it because a lot of water was tainted. Right.
Oh, yeah. During Jesus's time.
Everyone drank wine and beer.
Yeah. That's why the apostles fell asleep, is because they weren't drinking water. There were, it was cheaper to drink wine.
Yeah.
And it was more of a party atmosphere.
And probably better for you than getting horrible toxins in your water. You know.
Yeah.
Viruses and bacteria, and whatever the fuck is in still water. that's sitting around for a while.
Yeah. It is like, is there any difference between any of these waters? Because, you know, like there's, oh, this water. I mean, I like Fiji water. Hopefully they'll send me a case now.
It's supposed to be pretty good.
But is there, and that's got to be very good for the environment to have water shipped from an island in the North Atlantic.
Sure. As long as they're using fossil fuels to get it here.
I mean, there's water 10 feet from me, but I'd like to get mine from like this Nordic country. that's like really far away. No, but is there any difference between these waters? Yeah. I mean, except for the Poland Springs.
There's a guy that Tom Segura and Christina Positsky have had on their show. What's his name? Martin Rince. I forget what his name is. He's an actual water connoisseur, like a water expert.
Oh, wow. And he rates the different mineral content in waters.
So he's like a semi-yea for water.
Yeah, a semi-yea of water. Yeah, he is. Oh, that's so interesting. What is his name?
Martin Rees.
Martin Rees, yeah. Interesting guy. And he talks to them about water. He brought a bunch of different kinds of water and tells them what's good and what's bad. You really ideally want water in a glass bottle.
You don't really want it in plastic. There's a lot of issues with plastic, with leaching. You don't know what's happening between the time it gets bottled and how it gets shipped to you. It could be sitting in the sun. It could be sitting in a hot warehouse.
And plastic bottles leach these chemicals into the water, which are endocrine disruptors.
Oh, yeah. Not good.
Yeah. No, that's scary.
Even water.
Even water. Well, I remember I watched this thing about, I don't know, all the plastic that's in the ocean. And then the fish eat the plastic. And I just was like, I'm so relieved, I don't like fish.
Because you're always like, oh, fish is so good for you. And I'm like, yeah, well, now I'm going to stick to burgers.
There's mercury, too. Mercury is a big one.
Yeah, but there's a lot of plastics in there that some of these fish, they can't mate or whatever. I don't know. I know I sound scientific.
You're so specific. Did you do a lot of research?
They can't do things.
They can't mate or something?
They can't mate.
They're not interested?
They're not interested.
Yeah, not good. Yeah, and it's a lot of people think that when you recycle plastic bottles that they get recycled, but they don't. I think it's something around the neighborhood of 90% of all plastic single-use bottles get put into landfills. Or they get shipped to other countries, and other countries wind up polluting with them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what's the solution?
Well, really, there are biodegradable plastics and biodegradable plastics that are made out of hemp fiber. That's a real thing. They can make plastic made out of things other than petrochemical products.
Yeah, but isn't it a little bit like the fake sugar? I had a joke about it. When we were growing up, there was saccharin, and they're like, oh, no, it causes cancer. And they're like, oh, here's a new fake sugar. And then, two years later, that one causes cancer.
It's like everything causes cancer.
They're just coming out now about aspartame. They're talking about aspartame, which everyone's been saying, that's the one. that's okay. Yeah. I'm like, no, that's not good for you either.
It's just sugar. is the great Satan, right?
Yeah, it's just not good in the form that we have it. mostly. You know, mostly it's added sugar to things. And sugar from fruit is fine because it comes in a digestible way. It's connected to fiber.
It's connected to the material of the fruit. It's good for you. It's actually, it's okay. I mean, it has sugar, but the way your body digests it, it processes the fiber. It's a slower release.
What's really bad is drinking sugar. Like when you're drinking Coca-Cola, that is alien to your body. Your body is like, how is this here?
There's nothing in nature that gives you sugar in that form.
Did you ever see that video of the evolution of the, because Coca-Cola, like in the 20s or 30s, used to be something that you would go down to the photo shop and you would get a tiny bottle of Coke and you'd kind of have a tiny, and then just the size is growing over decades. It's just insane. Liters. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, and then the 7-Eleven slushie is just bananas.
It's the, you're mainlining sugar just right into your blood.
But all right, so I think that everyone understands that, like sodas, because I want you to get sued by the Coca-Cola company and the Pepsi company.
But that is something that is obviously some, but I think most, even people that do drink Diet Coke, are like, I know this is bad. Yeah. You know what I mean? But I do think the, you know, I don't think that we as a society have embraced the fact that social media is one of the worst things that has happened to human beings ever.
For sure. For health. For like mental health.
Mental health.
Yeah, for sure. It's terrible. There's documentation. There's a great book called the, what is it? The American Mind, the Jonathan Haidt book.
What is it called?
The Coddling of the American Mind.
The Coddling of the American Mind. And it documents the self-harm and suicide rates of young kids, particularly girls. Yeah. It's real bad. Yeah.
It's a lot of online bullying between each other, like hate and vitriol, and just the comparing themselves to other people unfavorably. And now with filters and like you're essentially comparing yourself to fiction.
You know, it's interesting when you consider, for generation upon generation, people would look at their parents and their parents would say, you know, I had to walk five miles to school. I had to walk uphill both ways and all that. And I look at my teenagers and I'm like, oh, they have it harder. They definitely have it harder. Like, you know, like in high school dealing with, you know, you were compared to people in your high school.
Now these kids are compared to everyone on the Internet. It's like the just the, you know, the acts, you know, like the, you know, like we used to when we were kids, you're like, hey, Tommy's dad, who's divorced, has a playboy. We're going to go over there and we're going to look at it in a field. Like we did that when we were like 13..
Yep.
And now it's like the porn is thrown at you. And so, like, I look at, you, know, I think kids got much harder.
They definitely have it much harder psychologically. Yeah, no doubt. And just the online bullying and the way they tweet to each other, you know, and leave Instagram messages and Snapchat. It's just, it's evil. And they do it to each other on a daily basis.
And it's a normal thing for kids to just be real shitty to each other online.
And they don't have to see the reaction. Yeah. And it is strange because among, you know, there is this kind of the banter of the, you know, the greatest form of affection you can give another comedian is to give them shit. Yeah. Right.
But that's also, you also can get a temperature of how they're truly responding to it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, you know, you guys pick on Bert and everything. But, like, if you got a sense that it was truly hurting his feelings, you would be more constructive about it.
Yes. For sure. You know what I mean? For a little bit. And then go right back to it.
Then you go back. And then he would be like, excuse me, I have to go sit on my pile of Jimmy Buffett-like money. Because he is.
Margaritaville.
He's going to have the machine restaurants. It's just inevitable.
Yeah, he has to have them. They'll be in Florida. Yeah. Yeah.
But they will be, and there will be, it is, it's just inevitable. There's no stop.
The worst food for you. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. It'll be great.
And, by the way, he's going to outlive everyone.
That's the great irony. He's going to be crying at your funeral.
He's having so much fun, and yet he's so unhealthy. But yet he's always laughing and having fun. There's got to be a balance in there that's being achieved.
He's so unhealthy, but there is, you see him snowboarding. Yeah. He's not like somebody, there is.
He's not ambulatory.
Yeah. And when I think of how my dad used to drink, my dad would come home, he would have a vodka, and then at one point he would switch to scotch. I thought that was normal. I'm like, you know when your dad has two vodkas and then he switches? But he would wake up the next morning and be fine.
And I kind of look at Bert the same way. It's like he has a stamina. I mean, some of it's for show, obviously, but he has a stamina. that is unusual. He really is the machine.
Yeah, he's got a very unusual tolerance for alcohol. Yeah. And he's accustomed to feeling like shit and recovering. He does a lot of stuff like saunas and cold plunges, and he gets IVs, and he does a lot of stuff to try to mitigate the effects. But, yeah, he's going hard.
Yeah. It's crazy.
I'm jealous. I'm jealous. Yeah. I have like, yesterday was our anniversary, and I had a glass of champagne with my wife, and halfway through dinner I was starting to get the headache. I'm like, what the hell is happening to me?
I just can't. My body's like, whoa, whoa.
Yeah, when I take time off of drinking, like we do Sober October every year, and then I'll have a day when we go back, we get fucked up, and the next day I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore. This is over.
And so how is your drinking? Like, all right, so, on an average week, how often do, you know, like, because alcohol is different from, like, consuming, like, getting high in other ways, because alcohol seems kind of counter to the Joe Rogan lifestyle thing of like, or are you sitting there going, oh, this special cumin-enlaced vodka has zero calories. You know, is there, but is, so how often during the week do you get wasted?
Well, because I own a club, and because I'm in my club all the time, I very rarely drink-drink. I'll have a drink. Like, before a show, like last night, I had a half of a drink. Ron White was there, and he had his tequila, and he was pouring drinks for everybody. So I had a sip of his tequila.
I had a little bit. But when I smoke pot or, you know, or anything else, it's just no big deal. Like, the next day. I feel fine.
It's not a wreck. Yeah, there's total recovery.
Yeah, it's not wrecking me.
But all right, so, but you're inhaling, and now I sound like the Puritan, you're inhaling your lungs. Yeah. But you're doing it in a way where it's not damaging the lungs?
Well, it's probably not good for your lungs to just inhale burnt plant fiber. Yeah. You know, it's probably not good. But it doesn't show cancer on the levels that, like, you see from people that are cigarette smokers. You also don't smoke as much.
Like, you take a couple of hits before a show. It's not like you're sitting there with a pack of cigarettes, and you're doing it every day.
Right, right.
It's different.
Right. Or you're not living next to a chemical plant.
You know, environmental fact, you're, like, working in a chemical plant. Like, people that have to work with chemicals, like, that's fucking horrible. People paint cars and shit like that. Like, that's rough.
Like, do you ever look at the Europeans, like, the, you know, the way that, like, some of our foods have genetic modified thing, and then the Europeans are like, no, we're not going to do that. And I'm like, are we doing it wrong?
We're definitely doing it wrong.
And so, like, why isn't there this groundswell, I mean, outside of the obvious thing of financial interests of major corporations corrupting our political system. But, like, why is there not kind of people saying this is insane?
Because of the financial issue. It's 100% because of that. Because they've co-opted the media. And the media doesn't report on all these things. You know, the media doesn't report on so many things that are bad for you.
Because it's bad for their interests.
Well, let me ask you this. And we'll be right back to the Jim Gaffigan show in a minute. I'm here with Joseph Reagan. Rogan. No, let me ask you this.
So, all right. So, Sam Bankman Freed.
Just got off of all charges.
Off of all charges.
That's totally not corrupt. By the way, he deserves to be free.
You think he deserves to be free?
Yeah, go back to doing meth and hanging out with that little floozy in that house that you had, with 40 other people and banging each other.
Occasionally, when he would be in court in a suit, I would be like, oh, that's so cute. He's got a suit on.
It's kind of like, you know, a boy at a bar mitzvah is confirmation. You're just like, oh, look at him in a suit.
Like a real man.
But, all right, let me ask you this.
Feds drop campaign contributions charged against Sam Bankman Freed. But is that all his charges, about everything? Are there other charges that are still available, or is he a free man now?
I think they said he had to get a haircut, which is really weird.
Okay, federal prosecutors are dropping campaign finance violation charges against alleged crypto crook. Sam Bankman, Freed over a legal snafu in his extradition from the Bahamas to the U.S. Still faces 12 other charges in the case. Five more of those counts are still in question because they were added after he was extradited. It seems to me like the fix is in.
Well, let me ask you this. All right, so a logical, any comedian would look at that and go, all right, so somebody in the Justice Department was like, he donated a lot to our people. Let's make this go away. But here's a question I have. So there is that there and there, that level of corruption.
But do you look at that level of corruption and see it as equal to what Trump has been repeatedly busted? as? Do you see those as equal? or do you see like that? as because, you know, like, I, I wonder if, like, to me, it's like.
You know, like like the indictments against Trump, I'm like, it's going to keep going. Right. They're going to. there's going to be more things, whereas like this is vague corruption. I'm not justifying it, but like I feel like some people see this as totally equal.
You think both sides are equally bad.
You would have to go over the case. Right. Because the way it's been described to me and the way the CEO was looking at it, he was saying that this is fraud. This is like straight out fraud. It's financial fraud.
And they were. they were taking clients money and using it in a way that they were not supposed to. They were funneling it off to Almeida. He was not being honest about his connections to that. I don't know all the absolute specifics of the case, but the way it's been described to me is that there is not enough regulation in cryptocurrency and that these people are allowed to do some really shady shit and that these people took it to the to the far end of this.
Right. And, you know, they were making insane amounts of money and they were doing amphetamines and they were hanging out and having this polyamorous lifestyle with these bunch of super nerds.
You shouldn't go to jail for that. Not for banging each other. No, I think that's fine.
I'm happy that they get to live like that, like socially awkward weirdos. All of a sudden they're super rich. If they were doing it above ball, above ground, rather, everything was cool. I would be celebrating them. I'd be like, hey, look at these.
They won. But a lot of people lost a lot of money. And, you know, there was also. they were. they were being exposed by competitors, by Binance.
And then it turns out that Binance is fucked, too. And they're up their ass with a microscope, and they might have all sorts of problems with fraud and all sorts of other things that are being lobbied against them or level against them. I don't know. You know, it's. it's a lot of complicated financial stuff.
that's outside of my realm of understanding.
Yeah, it is interesting, because the basic premise, again, I know nothing about crypto, but isn't? the basic premise of crypto is like there's no regulations. That's yeah. This currency is outside of. it's not tied to the dollar.
It's, you know, it's, you know, it's. there's an independence there. Whereas so you can't compare that to Martha Stewart going to jail for insider trading, right?
Yeah. I mean, the Martha Stewart thing is interesting because Congress does what she did all the time. I mean, they get access to information.
Oh, yeah. That happened during the pandemic.
Yeah. Tons of times. I mean, and it's not just a Democrat thing. Everybody points to Nancy Pelosi. It's a republic.
It's like literally 100 percent black and white. I mean, excuse me, red and blue. It's like across the board. Yeah, they're all doing it. And it's just something that I think everyone does.
that's there. They they understand, like bills that are going to be passed, and then they immediately start buying stocks. And they've always done that. And it's one of the reasons why they want to be congressmen in the first place.
It's one of the reasons why they go in with a certain income and leave millionaires.
Just, not just millionaires, like insanely rich, hundreds of millions of dollars, for, you know, six figure salaries.
Wow.
Yeah. Look, Nancy Pelosi is a better stock trader than both Warren Buffett and George Soros.
Her husband is an investment guy. Yeah. Or he was an investment guy.
Well, he is when he works with her. Right. Like she knows things. He bets. he, you know, he places the stock options and we.
Right. And that's also I mean, I remember, like all the senators that pulled out, right. Like Richard Byrd and Kelly Loeffler, and all these guys. Right. When the pandemic, and they, they, they, they removed, they sold their stocks and then they said everything's fine.
Right. So it's like some of it is selling stocks. It's not necessarily even buying.
Sure. Yeah.
But yeah.
It's having information that would allow you to make, and not just an educated guess, but you know what's going to happen. You know what's going to happen. And you know that, because of these decisions that are being passed, that these companies are going to become far more valuable because they've got certain deals. And then you bet on that. and that's what it is.
And it's insider trading. We all know it is.
Yeah. It's. it's. you know, there's the corruption, but it's also like that because I have a 19 year old daughter and she's amazing. And she is not like if.
if, if I brought up the idea of her pursuing a career based on financial security, she would be offended. And I and I say that with a little bit of a joke because I also remember, like the comedians, people that go into comedy are not like, well, you know, we didn't know it was going to be this type of business. We went into it because it was, you know, creatively fulfilling to get on stage and make strangers laugh. And but like there is something, at least for me, I, having five kids, it's like I really didn't care about money, you know, in my 30s. I remember my parents died and people were, you know, like all my siblings came around and we were getting stuff.
And I was like, I'll take the immigration papers. You guys can have the rest. And so, like I was the youngest, but like the point I'm getting to as you get older, once you get a taste for comfort, it's, you know, because I've tried to articulate to my children, you know, money is about freedom. You know, it's like the freedom to like, afford to go on a date, you know, the freedom of independence. Like I don't have to ask mom and dad for my help, for help.
And so, but there is a, you know, the perspective that changes. I'm not saying all people, but like when you're 20, all right, do I have enough money to get beer? You know what I mean? As opposed to like when you're 40, you're like, all right, I might need knee replacement surgery. Do you know what I'm saying?
Yeah. And like there is some, you know, comforts. You like comfort, right?
You don't want to struggle.
Right.
And you don't want to be scared as to where your next paycheck's coming from.
Yeah. I mean, I, I fly, you know, commercial and I fly, uh, you know, business class and it's amazing. And I don't, you know, like, if I have a gig and they're like, you know, I'd, you know, I would have to, uh, fly and coach. I don't know if I want to do it.
Do you know what I mean? Like? I'm kind of a, you know, it's like, is it worth being really uncomfortable for a bunch of hours? Like I have, like, I live in New York and I work at, uh, um, the win has wins, a great casino. Right.
And they have this theater and it's a great thing. And so there used to be all these direct flights from New York. that, I mean, there's tons, but there were some live flat things and they were like live flat. Yeah. So like, were you, you know, it's like the seat turns into a bed.
Oh, live flat.
And so from New York, it's like a five hour flight. And so they essentially started getting rid of those things. And I'm like, I don't know if I want to perform in Vegas anymore. It's like I'm such a baby. I'm like LA?
Yeah. No, there's live flat. I'll do that. Anyway, I'm just trying to impress everyone with my, uh, my toughness, my mental grit. A baby can't be uncomfortable for a couple hours.
You can definitely get used to comfort.
Yeah.
Yeah. But it's probably not good for kids to grow up that comfortable. No. It's interesting. You know, it's like we all, everyone that I know that's interesting had a pretty shitty childhood and rough and difficult and a lot of problems.
and, but none of those people want that for their children. Even though it made them the most interesting people that I know, because they got through some hard times and difficult childhoods and struggle and they develop discipline and character and, you know, the ability to overcome adversity.
I mean, parenting is terrifying.
It is.
It's terrifying.
It's a complicated world.
You know, you're going to suck at it, but it's like, how much damage can you do? Yeah. Yeah.
And how much damage does the world do?
Yeah. Yeah.
It's not just you. It's like, what are your children getting exposed to at school? What are your children getting exposed to on the streets?
Yeah. Cause, when they, they reach a certain age where, like you, can hear them actively, not listening to you, and you're like, oh, I hope your peer group is communicating some of this stuff. Cause, I've said it six times and you're obviously not hearing it. You know what I mean? Yeah.
It's really, and it's when, you know, when you have young kids, you think, oh, cause I think our society, we kind of portray, you know, babies. Oh, I couldn't sleep last night. My baby was crying. I had to change poopy diapers. And that's the easy part.
That's the easy part.
That's just lack of sleep.
Yeah. But like when it's Saturday night and they're out and you're like, what, where are they? Right.
Going to parties. It's terrifying.
Yeah.
Who knows what's happening at these parties.
Yeah. And again, it's also, I mean, there is, you know, there has been, you know, again, going back to like these, these teenage kids, I would say like 13 to 19.. I mean, you know, up, you know, some of them missed graduation from high school. Some, you know, some of it was just a year. Some people, it was two years, but it is.
Social media, it's like also, you know, you know, the generation of our comedians, you know, we were, I mean, how many benefits did you do about legalizing pod, decriminalizing pod? Let's get rid of all these rules. And then, so what happens in Manhattan? is it's decriminalized. Right.
Every bodega is selling weed, but since it's decriminalized, the police are like, we don't, we got enough on our hands. So we're not, and it's decriminalized.
So it's legal in New York now.
Well, but here's, here's what happens is that, like my barber, opens a weed shop. Everyone has a weed shop, but unlike LA, where it's, it feels organized. in New York, it's a little bit of the wild, wild west. And so there's these two stores, and again, there's no supervision. So one store starts selling mushrooms, you know, kind of like discreetly.
Some of them starts, you know, they'll sell it to a kid. that's 13.. Whereas in LA and Colorado, I don't think that happens. And so, as a result, what's happening in New York is that there's kids that, like, are getting stuff that, since it's not regulated, they're getting stuff that's laced with stuff. And so, instead of smoking, you know, spending your 16, your age of 16 years old, smoking oregano for three months, these kids are smoking some of the most powerful stuff that's laced with shit.
And then there's kids that are like, you know, there's kids jumping off buildings, you know what I mean? And the thing is, is like, it's not talked about because it's, it's, you know, some of these wealthy parents, there's so much shame about, I mean, I have no idea. I can't even contemplate what it would be like, but like, it's not in the news. It's not like, you know, where I grew up in Indiana, it's like, oh, that town, there's meth there. You know what I mean?
It's not like that. It's like, there's a cover up like this kid was going to go to this great college and he got stoned off of a vape pen that was laced with, you know, you know, whatever that stuff that they get from fentanyl. Yeah. And he jumps off a building and the kid wasn't suicidal. The kid wasn't a total fuck up.
And so, instead of that being in the news, the family's like, you know, it's, it's brutal. And again, it's, it's very similar to, you know, just the mental health crisis. It's a tsunami. But these kids, yeah, there's a lot going on.
The fentanyl thing is a giant issue. It's killing 100,000 people every year in this country. Fentanyl overdoses, young people.
And why is, I mean, you know, that's a lot of people.
It's a lot of people.
And is, is there, all right, so we, now? you ever heard of how this is like in response to the opium wars? Did you ever hear about that?
That it's in response to the opium wars?
Yeah. So like, so, you know, I've performed in China a couple of times. Now I'm never going to be able to perform there after saying this. But like, essentially during the opium wars is like the British were trying to take over China and they were trying to trade and essentially nothing was working. So what they essentially did is they got an entire generation of Chinese addicted to opium.
And they destabilized and then they could take it over. And so, and the British did a lot of nice things in India and all over the world. But this is like one of the things that, you know, among the expats in that were performing standup in China would tell me about. is that like, oh yeah, this fentanyl is all kind of like revenge for that. And that, so they, they make it, they sell it to the, you know, the cartels of Mexico and it's just going to get in.
But like, so what is the, because the question is what is the motivation behind them? doing this is kind of like you hold a grudge. You know, it's like you. literally, you know, this great nation that has, you know, thousands year more history than most Western countries was. essentially the British came in and they drugged them.
And I can just see my comments right now, you know, nothing, you know, nothing, nothing. And, by the way, I do know nothing, but this is what it's, it's an interesting explanation, right?
Well, the opium war is a historical fact. Yes. Yeah.
But like, but like that, that's the reasoning behind fentanyl being kind of sold to the cartels.
I think it probably has a factor. And I think another factor is just financial interest.
It's just so cheap, right?
It's so cheap. They make the precursors, they bring them over to Mexico, they sell them to the cartels and they produce fentanyl. And United States has a massive appetite for illegal drugs. And it's also part of the war on drugs. because of the fact that it's illegal, it's very difficult to get, and you have to get it from criminals.
So it pumps up the criminals. So the cartels make insane amounts of money and they have a business in bringing stuff across the border into America. There's a, there's also a financial interest in the fact that fentanyl is very cheap and it's very potent. So you don't need a lot of it and you can lace things with fentanyl. So when people are buying like street Xanax or street MDMA, a lot of it is laced, a lot of it is laced to provide additional effects so that it's effective, even though it's watered down and cut down like the cocaine.
You know, they cut it and they add fentanyl to it. And a lot of people are dying from the fentanyl.
That's insane.
It's insane. I mean.
And we lived through the crack. era. Yeah, which is nothing. Crack was like, crack is like, there's the devastating effects of it. And so.
It's nothing compared to fentanyl.
And meth, we lived through meth. Yeah. You know, meth's really got to pick up their game.
Well, Adderall took their fucking throne. Now everyone's on. Adderall. You can get it from a doctor.
Oh, here, let me, here's something I want to ask. So, like energy, and I could just ask Segura and Bert this, but are they on like testosterone? Bert?
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
But, you know, like, how is that, how can I get that?
You can. You go to a doctor.
And is it like. Do you want it? Well, I don't know.
I'll get you hooked up.
I mean, is it going to, I'm not going to murder my family, are you?
No, no, no, no, no.
Then I don't want it.
No, but like energy, wise, stamina. I've never been an energetic person. I know people are listening like. No. Jim, you.
He's being humble. But yeah, so that would be.
You would have more energy, for sure.
I'd have more energy.
Sure, your immune system would work better. Everything would work better.
So why isn't everyone just on it?
Well, a lot of people are. There's a lot more people on testosterone replacement.
I mean, besides Sylvester Stallone, who else is on it?
Robert Kennedy Jr. Oh, really? Yeah, he's on it.
So yeah, he does seem like he's.
He's really fit. He's impressively fit.
He's 69?.
Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he works out every day. Goes to Gold's Gym in Venice. Works out with jeans on.
Is that why he talks like this?
No, he talks like that because of an illness.
Oh, yeah, so I shouldn't make light of it.
Yeah, look at him.
Yeah.
He's buff.
That's crazy. He's, oh my God.
69 out there, doing push-ups and shit with jeans on. I don't know why they're jeans on. That seems calculated. It seems like they would get in the way.
I think it's a youth thing.
Yeah, wear the jeans.
I would never look at him and think he's 69..
He's in great shape. Right. But he also takes very good care of himself. He eats right.
How important is the plunge pool, or is that just a trend? Is that Zumba for today?
No, it's real. It has, without a doubt, it has great physiological and mental benefits. I do it every day. Okay. It sucks.
Today was hard. It was hard. I was up late last night hanging out at the club. Got home. The alarm clock went off.
I'm like, fuck.
And it's like in a room?
No, it's outside, which is nice, because it's hot out. So at least I got some sun on my face while my body's freezing.
And it is just-.
It's hard.
And how long are you in there?
Three minutes.
But you get out, and you're like, this is amazing.
You get out, and immediately you get this rush of endorphins, this rush of norepinephrine and dopamine, and it lasts for hours. They say it's a 200% increase in dopamine that lasts for four to six hours.
And it's not just like your body's saying, thank you for getting out of there.
That probably has something to do with it. It's cold shock proteins. It's your body responding to this imminent threat of death, so it produces these anti-inflammatory proteins. Oh, wow. That's really good for you.
And not just in-. It's great for your endocrine system. It increases your testosterone when you do that and then work out. Right. There's studies that show that.
But it's great for your mental health. A lot of people that have anxiety and suffer from depression, they've gotten off meds because they've started doing daily cold plunges. Yeah.
Yeah. I would totally be open, as long as it wasn't cold. Yeah.
It's a fucking struggle, man. But you know what- But it's only three minutes. The thing is, it's like three minutes passes in normal time. so easy. When you're comfortable.
right now, we can go through three minutes and it's nothing. You just gotta just go through it. Just go through the three minutes. It's only three minutes. It sucks.
But while it sucks, you just deal with it. You just breathe and deal with it. And then, after three minutes, you get out and immediately you feel amazing.
Like, wow.
If there was a drug that you could take that gives you the feeling that you get right out of the cold plunge, it would be insanely popular. If there was a mint that you could pop in your mouth that you get from the fucking gas station, everybody would be taking it. All these kids are on vape pens because they get a little lightheaded and get a little high. You would take that pill, the post-cold plunge pill, every day. You'd feel great.
It would be great for everybody. But it's not a pill. It's a fucking arduous, difficult routine. It sucks. But it's only three minutes.
It's not that big a deal. Just get in there. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Say, fuck, you know, 360 times.
Right.
Take a bunch of breaths.
And so, yeah.
Yeah.
But then you got to get an ice maker.
Sauna is great for you, too. Well, you don't have to get an ice maker. You get one of these machines that just keeps it cold all the time. Oh, wow. Yeah, they have these cold plunge machines.
Like we have one here. It's called a Blue Cube. We have one at home. It's called a Morosco Forge. And it's 34 degrees.
The water is just above freezing. You get in there, and you just fucking suffer for three minutes, and you feel great.
Wow.
All aches and pains and everything just sort of feels better.
And so, some of it is physical, and some of it is, you know, the physical that leads to mental. You know, so you feel, you know, because I'm sure that I speak for you also. It's like I feel mentally balanced after I do stand-up. Like it's not just a high. It's not a low.
It's like if I'm really high before I do a set, I'm kind of even-keeled. If I'm kind of exhausted, it gives me a boost. And so, when I, you know, think about like things that are like for mental health, and, you know, for me, it sounds kind of corny. But I have, during the pandemic, I started gardening, and it is amazing. It sounds, and I know, I'm, you know, people are like, my grandma gardens.
But it is, I mean, some of it is, I wanted to be a farmer, you know, when I was in eighth grade. But like farmers are happy. Like there's something about their, about the meditative nature. There's also, you plant something, and you come out, and there's, sometimes there's a huge amount of peppers. It's like Christmas morning, and sometimes it's a disaster.
But it's amazing.
It's a complicated task. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. It engages you.
And there is something about, because I see the, you know, that the happiest people are farmers. And I'm like, that makes perfect sense.
Is that real? The happiest people are farmers? I would imagine that providing people with food also feels good, being a provider. And just the whole, I think there's probably like a genetic component to it. There's a long history of human beings farming.
And so I think there's also like built in human reward systems based on certain behavior that you know leads to success and survival. And I would imagine that farming is on that list.
Yeah. I think it's very, it's just amazing how.
It's just cool. anyway. It is. You plant some seeds. You see the sprouts grow up.
It's cool.
It's amazing. And all the different plants and what you do to help the plant. I mean, it's just insane.
And it's a great way to get food.
And it encourages you to eat healthier. Yeah. Because if you grow something, you're like, we're going to eat this celery. And it's like, besides, that time, I've never eaten celery.
Do you know what I mean?
It's also, you know, there's no pesticides on it. There's no herbicides. You're just getting organic vegetables.
And then it's like this math puzzle where you sit there and you go, all right, so you did the companion plants and, you know, this deters this pest. And so all the answers are there. It's like we just kind of like, I think even like celery as an example, like there's no reason why someone like if you can grow your own celery, you should never have to buy celery. Like if you chop it off and come back, it'll grow back. So like the fact that, like we go and buy a huge thing of celery is so foreign to like our great grandparents.
Right. Like, you would never buy celery. You could just easily grow it.
My grandparents in New Jersey, my grandfather had a big garden in his backyard. Most of his backyard was fenced in and he was growing tomato plants and squash and zucchini and all these different things. And my grandmother always made tomato sauce from the tomatoes from my grandfather's garden. And it was amazing.
Yeah.
Just the tomatoes themselves, those New Jersey beefsteak tomatoes, they're all organic and they, they were like a fruit. It was so much different than the pale supermarket tomatoes that last for months on the shelf. And those things are bastardized. It's crazy. Like heirloom tomatoes.
That's what a tomato is supposed to be like. Those delicious, sweet, succulent tomatoes. Yeah.
And you're like, this is actually good.
Yeah.
I could see eating. It's like even kale. I, you know, I have material on kale and I've, I've grown kale and I'm like, all right, you know, this is better than the, you know, cause, of course, the time I had kale, 10 or 15 years ago, it was just bitter. It was probably old kale that had bolted or whatever.
Well, kale has a lot of oxalates in it. So I used to drink kale smoothies every morning and then I started reading up on kidney stones and problems with oxalates when you eat raw vegetables and like high quantities. There's a lot of people that drink a lot of those veggie shakes in the morning with ground up vegetables that wind up getting problems with oxalates. They say, yeah, they say it's actually for some vegetables, it's actually better to cook them. Really?
Yeah.
Isn't celery supposed to decrease inflammation?
Celery is supposed to clean you out. There's like properties in celery that are supposed to be really good for digestive issues and to clean you out. Celery juice is great. It's, it's a good thing. in the morning too.
It kind of gets, gets your whole fucking bowel system moving. Yeah. You know?
And so do you have one cheat day? Cause you know, we've talked about Italian food.
That's my fucking, Italian food and Mexican food. Those are my, those are my vices.
And is it once a week or is it?
Yeah, once a week I'll have something every now and again. Depends, like. we were in the Bronx. I was in New York a couple of weeks ago and we went to this sandwich shop in the Bronx, G&R Deli. We had these massive Italian subs.
It was fucking incredible. And I'm like, when I'm eating that, I'm not thinking at all about health. It's out of, it's manja. Yeah. You know, it's like hanging out with these wild Italians eating their fucking incredible food.
And do you feel the consequences of, you know, eating bread when you don't normally?
Come on, look at that. That's the spot. What I felt like afterwards, yeah, I felt like I ate a brick. Yeah. But it was so good.
You know, I just think there's also pleasure in food that I really enjoy. And that's one of the things that I really enjoy about Italian food. I really enjoy about Mexican food. I just love the pleasure of eating these delicious meals. And I know they're not good for you.
You know, if I'm eating linguine with clams, I'm under no illusion that I'm eating health food.
It is fascinating how different cultures excel at cooking. Right. So, like the Italians, amazing. But like right above Italy, is Austria. I'm not saying Austria has horrible food, but, like, you know, I've been to Vienna.
I did a show there. It's like you get deep fried, you know, whatever that dish is. But, like some of it is like the, you know, you go to Mexico. It's like that's the home of, you know, the people of the sun and all those fruits and peppers. And there's a pepper for every kind of state in Mexico.
And some of it is geography. But some of it is just like they're. they really care. Yeah. Right.
And they've taken the time to figure out how to eat good stuff.
Eating good stuff and being together with the family. when you all sit around and enjoy a great meal together. There's a. there's a lot to that. There's a lot to.
I mean, eating like boring, healthy food and just sitting around, not enjoying it. There's no benefit to that other than health. But the benefit when you're eating delicious food, you're having a glass of wine and, you know, a great lasagna. It's like, oh, yeah, this is an enjoyment. This is like a celebration of life and a pleasure.
Yeah, there's something to that, for sure.
It is. I mean, why is like so Thailand, the food's amazing.
Amazing. Yeah.
Amazing. Like, you never hear someone go, you know, we got to get this Laotian food. I mean, it's right there. I mean, it's like, but some of that's the influence of, you know, the spices that are probably in Thailand, you know, but I don't know.
Yeah, it's history. It's a history of great chefs and great cuisine, you know, and it's this pride in that history. It's passed down from generation to generation. There's that, too. There's a lot, you know, but the celebration of food and of eating, it's it's, you know, it's an art form.
Food is an art form, and chefs are artists. And when you have a great meal, you're not just consuming nutrients. You're also like taking in this flavor art.
Yeah.
Yeah. So I eat mostly healthy. But if I'm going to go to, you know, Los Angeles and I'm, you know, I'm only there for one night and I have a chance to go to a great Italian restaurant.
Yeah. I'm going to eat. You'll treat yourself. I'm going to eat. But wait a minute.
So like if you get, if you have some drinks during the week or whatever, but you have the willpower, because isn't that? the problem is that you make the bad decisions. It's also when you eat.
And then you keep going. Then you go out for burgers at two o'clock in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely can do that.
It's the most important thing is like what is the majority of your diet and the majority of your time? is the majority of your time spent doing healthy activities. And being physically fit and eating right and taking vitamins and doing the sauna, a cold plunge and all this other stuff. Or is the majority of your time spent eating burgers and cheese and fucking drinking beer and fucking off. Then you're going to have negative consequences.
I think as long as the absolute majority of your time is spent doing healthy things, then you just enjoy yourself on these ones. Like The Rock has, like this cheat day. He does it. It's legendary. He takes photos and videos of it.
Giant stacks of pancakes.
It's like he's employed like four chefs.
Huge trays of sushi. But obviously you look at him. He's doing something right. He's very lean. He's very healthy.
And he just has one day where he goes off the rails. And that is like for him. it's like a mental health break from the rigor of just sheer discipline that he exhibits every day. Getting up in the morning, hours of cardio and weight lifting and all this stuff that he does. So then the one day he just goes ham.
I think there's nothing wrong with that. And I think your body can absolutely recover from that. Your body knows what to do with that. It just burns through all that shit and then you're back on the grind the next day.
And so, when you consider. So, you enjoy being busy, right? You enjoy.
I mean you've got a lot of hats, right? And some of that is, you know, I feel like in some ways I'm very similar. I love stand-up. I love acting. I love doing different things.
Obviously, my family is kind of important. You know what I mean? But, like, do you ever have a moment where, like you, look at the mania. And that's kind of unfair to characterize it as mania. But the pacing.
So like. even last night I was talking to my wife. I'm like, yeah, I've got to get up at 4 so I can get on this flight to go to Austin. She's like, why do you need to do that? Why do you need to like.
And I'm like, because it's a terrific opportunity. And, you know, some of it is like, you know, I have this new special. And it's like, you know, when we started stand-up, you know, there was. It was a different world. But, like, this process of stand-up is so rewarding.
But, like, do you ever have a perspective where you're like, what am I doing? Do you know what I'm saying? Maybe I'm not making sense.
I know what you're saying.
But it's just like. why 10 specials? Why?
Because it's fulfilling. The work is gratifying in itself. The journey is the thing that's important. But is there something of. You know, also, you know, you don't want to not take advantage of an opportunity.
Right. I mean, and I also know that like coming up for, coming up with a new line or a new topic, even for jokes, is so rewarding. And it's it feeds itself. But like, do you ever look at the pace of your life and think, why am I going so hard?
Occasionally. Yeah, but not most of the time. Most of the time I'm enjoying it because most of the time it is fun. It's way better to be busy doing something you love than to wish you were busy doing something. Yeah.
And also having gone through decades of not having the opportunity to do what you love. Yeah. Or doing it under certain parameters.
Yeah. And, you know, really struggling. Yeah. And not being financially secure, not knowing when you will be, not knowing if you ever will be. Right.
And then, you know, getting recognition for it, becoming famous for it, having a great fan base, like you have. And now you get to tour. You go, ladies and gentlemen, Jim Gavigan.
Yeah.
And then you get to provide these people with an amazing experience of fun and joy and laughter. And they walk out of there and he's talking about that. Yeah. And they're driving home laughing about it. It's amazing.
It's an amazing job. It's an amazing job.
It's amazing job.
It's the best. Yeah. It's the best. And, you know, having a club now and being able to do it in town, like I do, six hours of stand-up a week. Two shows on Tuesday, two shows on Wednesday, two shows on Thursday.
I do it all the time. But for me it's a balance because then, like, on the weekend, I can work if I want to, or I can just hang out with my family. I can be at home. I can get stuff done. I can just relax.
I get all the work that I need to do in. But I also, you know, and, like, podcasting for me is, I want to say, it's easy, but it's the easiest.
It's fun. You're having conversations with people.
You're having conversations, so you're getting the fulfillment, because you're talking to friends. You're talking to peers. You're talking to people that you're seeing develop their careers in MMA. And then you're also talking to fascinating people that you're curious about. Yes.
I mean that's what was, that's how brilliant you've curated this too. It's not like, ah, I've got to talk to someone I'm not interested in.
Right. That's the key, I think, to podcast success. Only talk to people that you want to talk to. Only, like, I book it all myself. I don't have anyone who tells me who has to be on.
that never happens. I'm even reluctant. when people are like, you should get this person on. I'm like, eh, now I don't really want to.
Well, by the way, that's very common. There's, like, movies, like, that. I've wanted. I'm like, I want to meet that director. And they'll be like, well, you should find a way, because if an agent proposes someone, that director's not interested in that person.
Ah, yeah.
I'm like, oh, wow.
When they feel like they're being pushed.
Yeah.
Yeah. Especially artists. When they have, like, vision, they have an idea of a thing, and they're trying to put it together in their head and trying to plan it all out. And then someone's like, you should do this. Right.
You should be like, ugh. That's the last thing I want to do now. Now you've fucked with my vision.
And I think that, you know, that's some of, you know, not getting caught up in other people's expectations is that's like the lesson that I personally have to keep relearning. Not, like, from scratch, but it's like, I guess I would call it like a relapse, where I'm like, oh, wait a minute, I only did this because they told me to do it, and I didn't even want to do this. Do you know what I mean? Whereas, you know, when I was in my late 20s, I'd be like, what do I do? You know what I mean?
Should I do that? Okay, I'll do that. You know?
Yeah.
And, you know, often when you follow your own path, you know, and you're doing things you really care about, then it's not work.
It's not work. It's enjoyment. Yeah. It's just, it's difficult. Like, you have to work.
You have to do some work. Like, with standup, you have to write. You have to perform. You have to really think about it. You have to edit your act and put it together.
But it's still enjoyable. It's fun.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a giant percentage of our population that does things they don't want to do all day, every day. And that's one of the reasons why people drink so much. They come home and they just want a break. Like, they just don't want to be there anymore. They want to change their state.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. They're escaping. Brutal. Yeah. I mean, that is the life that a lot of people choose.
when they choose security. They choose something like, oh, if I do this, I can make that. And I do this, then I can buy a house. And if I do that, I can buy a boat. I do this, then I can get that.
And they're all day long watching that clock, wanting to get the fuck out of there. And then they get out of there, they go home, and they're just, oh, give me a drink. Yeah. And the family's complaining and the wife is pissed because the gardener fucked something up. And she's like, give me a fucking drink.
Yeah. Oh.
Oh.
And then you just sit there watching TV and yelling at Fox News.
Yeah. And there is something about, I mean, I don't think we even, there's probably people that understand this, but like, this outrage machine is, it serves such a purpose. And I'm talking about both sides. Like, you know, fucking Trump, fucking Biden. There is like this, there is this thing that, like, it, serves something in us that is probably not healthy.
Definitely not healthy.
Right? And it's, it's certainly not constructive. Do you know what I mean? Like, I feel as though, you know, with comedians, we are so used to being around, and I, but we're so used to being around people of different points of view and different sensibilities that we grow to love that it's not completely foreign to like, I remember at 4th of July, I had a friend that was like at Occupy Wall Street. And then I had a friend who works at Fox News and they were there and they've known each other for 30 years and it was nothing.
It was, it was not an issue. It was interesting. I mean, I was asking them questions, you know, I'm like, all right, so what's going on here? And, but there is something, maybe it's because comedians are misfits. Cause I say that also.
And I sometimes think like, sometimes people in the entertainment industry are like, you know, my business is so weird. When the reality is, you know, in a bank, in a, you know, in a construction site, there's people of dramatically different opinions too. And they got to go along to get along.
Yeah.
But I don't know.
Well, people like being in opposition of other people. And they, they like thinking that those people on that other side are keeping them from living the dream, or keeping, you know, this country from being great, or keeping, you know, people from prospering and keeping democracy alive. And if we don't defeat them, we're fucked. And they, they like having this like wild cause. And there's some validity to it.
I mean, there's a lot of real, challenging issues in this country, like real, dangerous, scary issues. And there's a lot of financial interests that are tied up in these dangerous, scary issues and they will avoid solutions because they're profiting off of the problem itself. Wow. There's a lot of that going on. Yeah.
That's a lot of the homeless problem. That's a lot of, there's a lot of issues in this country that you could pick one side or another and just decide. those people are the problem. It's insanely complicated. It's insanely interwoven and complex.
And, you know, to just, to, you know, reduce it down to the right versus the left. And we're the good guys and they're the bad guys. It's like, that's such a stupid perspective. And you're being played. You're being played by the media.
You're being played by politicians. You know, it's like manufactured outrage, recreational outrage, and it's just a giant distraction that's constantly going on. And then there's UFOs.
Yeah. Why is it that the UFO thing comes up every couple of months where people are like, there's UFOs. And then, like a half hour later, people are like, did you see the new Colts uniform? You're like, we're so easily distracted by really unimportant things, from like stuff that, you know, is, is the theme of every sci-fi movie, right? Is we're?
so, you know, like the, you know, the aliens thing in the pandemic, they're like, well, here's the aliens info. And people are like, that's unbelievable. Did you see what Trump said to that female reporter? I mean, like. we are so easily distracted by, but I mean, I don't think it's a conspiracy necessarily.
I think it's just that human beings are just like goldfish. I think we forget. Oh yeah, that's right. Oh, that's right.
We definitely are. But then there's also people that take advantage of that. And I think there's definitely calculated news releases and leaks that they put out to distract us from other complicated things that are also going on simultaneously. The fascinating thing about the UFO thing is because if this had happened in like the 1980s, it would be front page of every newspaper. Everyone would be talking about it at work.
Everyone would talk about on the street, like, oh my God, they had congressional hearings where they said we've recovered multiple crashed vehicles from other planets. We have alien biological entities that are in freezers that they have right now. The government has been doing this for 80 years and keeping it secret. There's a crash retrieval program. There's a back engineering program.
This is all in the congressional hearings yesterday. And everybody's like, yeah, whatever.
But Elon Musk changed it to an X.
Why is it an X? He's a Nazi.
Here's what I don't understand. Like, because you talk to him, you're probably friendly with him. But like, he reminds me of a comedian. He reminds me of like the comedian that, because there's the comedians where they're like, they'll be like, hey, do us a favor, whatever you do, don't bring up that person with the blue shirt. And the comedian's like, I'm bringing up that person with the blue shirt.
He is that, like the X thing. And I haven't done a deep dive. I know people are upset about it. And but I'm sitting there and I know that people are like. But my takeaway is like, oh, he's, that that's.
he's just doing that for fun, right?
Yeah.
That's just him. Like, all right. The Russians did a Z on their trucks. What can I do on Twitter? that would freak people out?
And that's kind of. Or is it a distraction? What he's doing is like here. Like, all right. Here's my conspiracy.
My conspiracy is.
Twitter threads is, you know, it's still in development, but like Twitter is really struggling. Right. Let's say it's struggling.
Yeah.
How do you distract from that? You either. How do you make the new. You introduce a new conversation piece. Hmm.
So, like, if you're, if you're gonna be likely, which comedians, you know, point of view, you know, wouldn't you sit there and go, maybe of what is the reason for the X?
Well, he hasn't.
Except for us talking about.
He loves the letter. X. OK. Space X. His kids.
name X. The. I think the original company that he developed with PayPal was X. Like he's. he's got an affinity for that letter.
For whatever reason. He, you know, he's, he's a super nerd. He he likes, like, like. he made the shape of the rocket different because he likes the movie Spaceballs. Right.
I mean, that's why he called.
But he put a Tesla and a satellite. There's that. But then there's also.
The knowledge. I mean, I have a 17 year old son who I know says things to push buttons.
Oh, yeah.
And so he's a little bit like, you know, I'm going to do this. And it's going to make some people upset. Right. It's in a way, it's part of the outrage machine. Sure.
It's like I got to feed the outrage machine.
Well, it's a fun thing for a kid to fuck with you. Say something to your dad.
Feel some power.
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Just put a little push. Hey, Dad, you ever think that maybe you're wrong?
Hey, Dad. Yeah. You ever think that maybe the other side is on the right path and you're the enemy of history?
Yes. Yes. And, you know, I've got five kids with five different opinions. And it's just.
It's crazy how different their opinions are, isn't it? There is. Out of the box. Same house.
There is. No. I mean, just once a social justice warrior, one's like, all right, I got to make sure he doesn't turn into a troll.
One who's a terrific athlete, one who's like either going to be a fashion designer or a serial killer. It's just bananas. But, you know, you know, there is part of me as a comedian. I'm like, you know what? You don't want the easy life, because the easy life, it's hard to come up with material.
You want to live in chaos. Right.
Well, you know, you want a life with problems that are solvable. Yeah. You don't want problems that are insurmountable, like you live in a war-torn country and there's no food. Those are horrible problems. But you want problems like.
I'm in a difficult occupation. There's a lot of competition. It's fascinating, intellectually challenging, but I have to be on my fucking game and I have to get up and I have to put in the work. And the more work I put in, the better the results will be. That's what you want.
And you want that feeling of satisfaction. I think, human beings, we require complex problem solving. We require things that we have to accomplish and do in order to feel good. Like. we've got some, we've made some headway, made some ground, made some progress.
We're doing the right thing. There's like a built-in thing that I think. that's from our evolution and our development, that we had to develop the proper tools and figure out how to hunt and gather and all those different things. There's a lot to that.
It's wired into the psychology of being a human being. The most miserable people I know have nothing to do. They're bored and lazy and they're sedentary, and they distract themselves with drugs and alcohol and whatever and pharmaceuticals. And those are the people that are struggling the most, because they don't struggle with the thing that they do. where there's this thing that they have to be on top of.
They have to be focused and really dedicated to it. And then you see the results of those. Whether you're working in a team, an office that's trying to accomplish a goal, and you get it, you're like, yeah, and then everybody can go out and celebrate. There's a real feeling of accomplishment when you do something. When you don't do anything, anything at all, I just think people get really depressed.
I think it's really bad for you to not do anything.
Well, that's also like, you know, the success can kind of cripple people, right? Right.
You get soft.
All right. Let me ask you this. Okay. What are the chances of Biden and Trump being the nominees?
I think the chance of Trump is very high. I think the chance of Biden is entirely dependent on whether or not they can do something to turn his health around, because it seems like his mental health is deteriorating so rapidly and so publicly that it's a narrative now, and it's an inescapable narrative. He just said they cured cancer the other day. Did you see that?
Yeah. I mean, I didn't.
I mean, he just says things and he doesn't know what he's saying. He clearly is compromised mentally. There's something wrong.
There is something about the age of everyone. You probably saw the Mitch McConnell thing. Amazing. Dianne Feinstein, you know.
He just rebooted in front of everybody.
You know, like the Chuck Grassley. There is, and I tried to write about this, but it's also like our perception of it, because part of you is like, okay, Mick Jagger is 80.. He's killing it. He's probably, you know, he's probably got two more wives in him. You know what I mean?
And then you got Harrison Ford did Raiders of the Lost Ark. I saw the movie. I brought it with my kids. It's an action movie. He's still an action star, age of 80..
Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin, kick an ass. They're in their 80s. Yeah. And then you sit there and you look at, you know, Nancy Pelosi was 84..
Yeah.
You know, Dianne Feinstein, you know, it's like.
Well, Feinstein's compromised. They actually hid that she's compromised. It's like all this.
Yeah. And then also, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you know, should have, should have left. Yeah.
Right. Earlier. Yeah.
But like.
He could have left during the Obama administration and they would have gotten a liberal judge.
Yeah.
But Feinstein gets confused in Senate appropriations hearings and has to be prodded to vote. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah. It's not fair.
It's not fair to the constituents. It's not fair to her.
But when I was a kid, I didn't, you know, the understanding, you know, I'm in my 50s. I know I look like I'm 60.. You look great. Oh, thanks. No, but like when I was growing up, people turned 65..
They retired and they either went to Florida or Arizona and they retired or, or they, you know, got a different kind of job. And, but like they kind of disappeared. Then they went to the blue plates. They, they dyed their hair blue and then they started sending their kids two bucks in a birthday card. I didn't even know 80 year olds existed.
I mean, now there's so many 80 year olds. Like there used to be, like people that were 65 that moved to Florida. And then there was like, Willard Scott would announce one or two hundred year olds.
Right. Right.
But there was no 80 year olds. There was not a, I mean, the 80 year olds are everywhere. I think, I think the 80 year olds are multiplying.
Well, there's better medicine and health now, you know, people are way better at nutrition and taking care of themselves. They have good doctors and they're getting the right supplements, and, you know, they can live longer. People are going to live a lot longer. I think within our lifetime, we're going to see people that live to be 150 years old. Yeah.
I think that's a fact.
I mean, when we were kids, Reagan was president. Yeah. He was probably 72 or something like that. And people were like, he's, you know.
Yeah.
You know, it's like.
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