#2019 - Tim Dillon
2023-08-10 03:15:03
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before the massive strike.
Yeah, well, I think it didn't affect flights as much as I thought, but it was 11,000 city workers decided to strike. And a lot of those are, but air traffic controllers are federal. But the baggage claims all screwed up. They canceled a bunch of stuff. I don't know.
It's 11,000 city workers. I don't know what they're, what, you know, it's, I think it's a bunch of different groups of them that want stuff.
Yeah, is there like specific demands? Like, is it pay increase?
Maybe they want to stop getting killed by the homeless.
Maybe it's very reasonable. Maybe it has nothing to do with money. And they're like, we just want to stop being like people flinging their excrement at us while we're cleaning the park.
Could be.
Yeah, I don't know what it is. I don't know what the demands are. Maybe they're scared. they're going to be replaced by A.I., like the actors and writers.
They might be. Who knows? You know what. the sketchiest thing that I saw about the whole actor-writer thing was that, for background players, when people work on a film, they wanted access to their image forever. Right.
So they would take you and make a digital version of you. Yeah. So if you're like a background guy, instead of paying background people to hang around in some crowd scene, they will now just fill it in with you. So the same background people, which is like one of the nuttiest fucking, like fringe theories of any catastrophe, is that you have these, these actors. Right.
What do they call them?
Crisis actors.
Crisis actors, right. Right. Crisis actors, where these people are hired by the federal government. Yeah. And they appear in like multiple different scenarios.
Yeah. Where they say that something happened to them and the shooter entered into the building. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, they're striking next. The crisis actors. They're going to go, I am worried that my likeness will be used as Sandy Hook in perpetuity, without my. Yeah. It's weird.
It's weird because it doesn't seem like there's a way to prevent it.
Prevent the digital use of your imagery?
Well, everybody's, every business in the world is using AI, right? You know, these movie studios and, you know, streamers spent a lot of money investing in AI technology during the pandemic. They, a lot of in-house AI projects.
Yeah.
And, you know, I imagine that they're going to utilize that technology to some degree. I agree, though, that it's creepy and it will eliminate a lot of jobs. And if there's a way to stop them, great. But is there?
There's no way.
There doesn't seem to be a way.
No, that train is rolling and there's a lot of track in front of it. And it has insane momentum, and you're not going to put your hand out and stop it.
Yeah.
You might mitigate the effects. Maybe the government would pass like a law saying, listen, you can't replace more than 10% of your workforce with AI over the next five years. I don't know if that would even be a feasible thing to do, but maybe they could do something like that.
But the problem is, if you have a business and the business can be better run by AI, do you have a responsibility to hire human beings to do a lesser job?
Great question.
It's a real good question.
It's a great moral question. And if you listen to these Drake songs that are coming out with AI, Eminem song that just came out with, they're good.
Yeah.
They're good.
I was just having a conversation with Post Malone about it. You know, Post uses autotune, but he writes all his own songs, you know, and he performs all his own songs. And I think his fans want to know. that's him singing a song. They would probably still enjoy a fake Post Malone song.
But, dude, I saw him live last night. When you see these people singing along with him, it's something really powerful, man. It's not just like a regular concert. They fucking love that, dude.
Well, look at the Taylor Swift thing, which I feel very left out of, because I'm the only person that has not seen it. And I don't get it. Like. she's clearly talented and God bless. I just don't have that thing where I'm like.
But you're not a girl. That's all it is.
Yeah, but the dudes are there too.
Yeah. Dave Portnoy loves it.
They all, a lot of people love it. And I don't get it. And I just, and I don't begrudge anyone else getting it. It's just not.
But maybe if you go to one live, you'll get it. Yeah. Because it's supposed to be a spectacular show.
Sure.
Like tons of dancers and visuals.
Yeah, I just, it's phenomenal. I grew up listening to people like Tina Turner and Janis Joplin. Yeah. So, to me, it's like Taylor Swift. It's different.
It's different. That's all I'm going to say. I don't want to be attacked. I don't want people following me.
It's just, it's different. It's just, it's, you know what I mean? It's like, this is like the same thing about the Barbie movie. Yeah. Maybe it's not for you.
That's right. And if it's not for you and you're going and giving this scathing review of something that's clearly not for you. Right. Look, I get it. If that's your business, you're in the culture war business.
You're in the critique business. Yeah. You're in the reaction video business. Right. I get it.
Right. I get it. But just as like a rational person. Yeah. Like, imagine being mad that people like Taylor Swift.
No, there's no anger. I would, I actually, in. like most cultural things, I wish I got it. My life would be easier if I got like, I would be more included. I would be able to participate in conversations easier.
Yeah.
I want to be in. Right.
All these things that people like that I can't get into, I want to be in.
The Barbie movie is an interesting one. Yeah. Because it is clearly a movie that's made for girls. And everybody else. But also, it's a Barbie movie.
Right. Barbie's appealed to girls. It's like saying Commando was not just for guys.
Right.
There's a few people on the margins that will like it, right? Yeah, sure. There's a few lesbians that go to see Commando and they're very into it. A few gay men really love Barbie, but the vast majority, it is gender specific. Yeah.
Yeah.
And there's like a tremendous amount of outrage about that movie. And when I went to see it, apparently people are upset at my reaction to it. Why? Because I was genuinely surprised that anyone would be upset at the movie. Right.
Because, like it's, just, what they're mad about is talking about the patriarchy. But first of all, it's a fucking parody movie. Right. It's a movie about a doll who comes to life. And you have a doll who lives in that world where the doll's the most important thing.
That's Barbie's world. Of course, the men would be superficial. Cannes is superficial. Right.
That's the plot.
That's the whole thing. How else are you going to make a Barbie movie? where Barbie comes to life? I mean, it's a great juxtaposition. Like seeing the difference between the world of living human beings, where men are running everything, and the world of Barbie world, where the Barbies are the Supreme Court and they all wear bikinis on the Supreme Court.
That's funny. It's funny.
That's funny.
Dude, it's a funny movie, man. Yeah. It's like. I just don't understand why people would get so upset at this movie. that's just not made for them.
Well, because it's how you said it. It's how you make money.
Yeah. But it's like this culture, war aspect of it. It's like, come on, people.
Well, there's, I think, an idea that everything that's out right now, there's political implications to everything. Everything. And that's kind of exhausting. Right? It's tiring, right?
Figuring out if your yogurt is woke. Like going through your grocery, opening your refrigerator and going, what's woke? Is the mustard woke? It's crazy. I think people are a little sick of it.
And I think it's a little, first of all, all the food's poison. Let's start there. That should make more sense. It should be. the barbecue sauce is liquid sugar poison, not.
does it want trans people to fucking take their tits out at the White House. It's food. And it shouldn't. But it's a level of wild that I don't think people were prepared for. I think Bud Light made a little bit of a mess.
Right? Yeah. They put Dylan Mulvaney out there. And then I think people were kind of like, hey, what's going on? And then it just became a firestorm.
And then everything else is like contagion. Yeah. So it spreads now. And now it's like, well, what is Chick-fil-A doing? Are they doing stuff that they shouldn't be doing?
Yeah.
It's kind of, it's just, it's getting tiring.
Conservatives are trying to find fake conservatives. Yes. Like, they're engaging in the same sort of behavioral that they accuse liberals doing of these liberal witch hunts. Yes. They're doing it with conservatives.
Like you could never be woke enough. You could never be conservative enough. Some of them want to call people closet liberals. Or you know that term, rhino. Yeah.
Republican in name only. Yes, for sure. It's really, the tribal war between human beings that seemingly will always exist.
It'll never end.
It's so fascinating how that mindset just takes new forms. Yeah. You know? And has the same behavior, the thing that it hated decades earlier. Like on the left, like this want for war in Ukraine.
This trust in the military industrial complex in Ukraine. Yes. Like what happened to you guys? Yeah. Like you guys are a totally different thing.
Like no one's discussing.
Every argument made against, rightly, the Iraq war. Yes. And the Afghanistan war. Like. what's the plan?
Yes.
We're going to be in a quagmire. Yes. You know, the money would be better used at home. All of those arguments were used, you know, ad nauseum by people on the left. And they were right.
And now, if you bring up any of those arguments about the Ukraine, you're called heartless. It's weird. You're called a Putin apologist. It's weird. So it's weird.
And the best take on it was Trump. Right. When he was doing it. What is her name? Caitlin Collins?
Is that what her name is? The journalist that was asking him. And she was kind of like trying to say in a gotcha way. Right.
Who do you want to win?
Do you want Ukraine to win this war? And he said, I just want people to stop dying. And that is somehow controversial. Yeah. And that's because it's coming from him.
Right.
Anything that he says, no matter how logical it is, people are going to attack. 100%. And that was a very logical statement. I just want people to stop dying. By the way, that's the appropriate response to truly, really every war out there.
Yeah.
Is that there's been no war. that really hasn't been one, with some type of agreement, treaty, compromise. Right. Most wars have some type of end game where you can go, OK, we had a split up territory. We got to start a provisional government, whatever it is.
Now, this might be more difficult to do that. But at the end of the day, unending conflict only hurts the people in those countries fighting the wars and becoming victims of the war. They don't hurt the people here making a lot of money.
It's just so sketchy whenever money gets involved. Yes. Whenever you're realizing that people have an incentive to keep this rolling to the tune of who knows how many billions of dollars so far, how much has been spent on that war so far?
Oh, my God. I mean, it's over a trillion probably. You know, we spent a lot of money. Well, what got me interested, what was why I started to read about it and, you know, was like overnight, overnight, the worst people in the world were absolutely in love with the Ukraine, like the people that, you know, again, the pro-Iraq war, pro-Guantanamo Bay, pro-torture, pro-preemptive war. They all were like, very much across the board, the idea that we have to support the Ukraine for as long as it takes and give them whatever it takes.
And I felt like that was crazy, because we've seen that in the past bite us in the ass a lot of different places. And they all I mean, these are like the worst people in the world. The people of Beverly Hills, who were like make valets cry, were like, get my fucking car. Like those people, they all had Ukrainian flags on the outside of their house. But they didn't care about Yemen.
They don't care about what goes on in the Middle East in terms of like the Palestinians, or, you know, what's happening over there. They don't care about a lot of issues and a lot of places. But they seem to really believe that we had to arm the Ukraine and engage in kind of this proxy war with Russia for an unending period of time, no matter how dangerous it got. And Russia is a country with a lot of nuclear weapons. So, I mean, what is the American national interest in that continued policy?
I don't know.
Go to any city in America, right? And you see a lot of problems, homelessness, drug addiction. All of the money we're sending to the Ukraine probably could be used here.
Right. And there was a long period where everybody knew that there should be something done to clean up the places that got hit by the riots, to deal with some of the homeless encampments. There should be a way where reasonable people can come to some solution. We need funding to fix these things. Yeah.
But the fact that they just all of a sudden have trillions of dollars. Yeah. For this. Right. It's like, where was all that money?
Right. What about investing in cities?
Well, in the beginning it was, we want peace. And the Ukraine was invaded by Russia. And I understand supporting the Ukraine to a degree. But now we're talking about the only acceptable outcome is regime change in Russia. Right.
And then there was this guy, this hot dog warlord, this guy who sold hot dogs and then was chopping people's heads off. Okay. He did this like fake coup. that didn't work. And everybody in our media was like, he's going to be great.
Let's get rid of Putin, who, you know, his problems, his faults notwithstanding, and he's a murderer. He's done crazy things. But we've lived with him for 20 years in relative peace. Meaning like.
Yeah.
We've never had a war with him. Right. Right. He's done things in his region, but he was a first leader after 9-11, of course, and say, you know, like, hey, I'm sorry about that. Da-da-da-da-da.
Whatever the case may be, we were ready to just get rid of him and throw in a dude who, hours before, was lobbing people's heads off in the street. Wild. So that to me is like you start looking at foreign policy going, does anyone care about anything? Like to anybody, like this guy's a mass murderer. He's running the Wagner group, which is, like, you know, this group of like prisoners, ex-prisoners that he recruited from Soviet prisons, from Russian prison.
And these are like murderers and rapists. He's going, let's go to the Ukraine and kill everybody. And then everybody's like, no, he's there. He'd be great.
Doesn't make, it doesn't make too much sense to me. And then that doesn't happen and everyone goes, eh.
But the crazy thing is that it's been adopted wholesale by the left. The people that are always the most skeptical about war.
Well, were. But I mean, if you look at a lot of wars, I guess in history, a lot of them have been started by Democrats. It seems like the party in power likes war.
Seems like if you're the party in power in this country, you do like a war. With the exception of Trump, and I know people get mad when I say this, but Trump wasn't in a ton of wars. I mean, he did do some drone strikes. He did things. But, you know, the party in power.
He died like a dog.
Right. Right. The party in power, they seem to like war. And I get it. I would too.
I would too, because it gives you something to talk about and do.
Well, Trump was the first guy that I ever saw, who was a sitting president who openly admitted that the military industrial complex wants you to go to war.
Yeah.
Like when Eisenhower was resigning, he said it. But Trump actually said that. He said it. In an interview, I think it was with Steve Hilton on Fox. Yeah.
Which is just a wild thing to hear, that they might be influenced to be more inclined to not wars when they're necessary, but like wars that they can justify for financial reasons.
And listen, we should treat the people that serve the military with the respect of being honest with them about what their mission is. Right. And why they're somewhere. Yeah. If you're going to make the ultimate sacrifice for America, you're going to be make that sacrifice.
You're going to put yourself in harm's way. You might die. You have a family and kids. They're not getting paid millions of dollars. We're not making them famous.
They're not. You know what I mean? We should treat them with the respect of the things they do should be vital and necessary for our security. They shouldn't just be out there making people money.
Right. Exactly.
Which is why, when I run for governor of California, which I should-.
You could probably win.
I actually thought about it, maybe not seriously, but maybe I said, why not? Why not?
You would really get a lot of votes.
There's something about it because-.
If you were serious about it?
I might be serious about it, because the only thing that's going to be against me is the hours and hours I have of me talking. That's going to be tough, because people are going to be able to isolate lots of things I've said and they're going to go, hey, this is crazy. But don't you think- And I also might get bored with a job in a week and quit.
That's the problem.
That's the problem. That's the real problem. Des Moines. Yeah, it's nowhere good. And I might just leave and go, this is kind of boring, because I don't think, I don't know, governing, running seems great.
Winning is great. Governing seems terrible.
It doesn't seem like it's totally doable. That's right. It seems like whatever changes you make, first of all, imagine you're a guy or a gal, or a non-binary person just becomes the president. You have to run in and fix all of the chaos. You have to deal with everything involving foreign policy.
You're responsible for everything involving infrastructure, transportation, anything financial. You're responsible for all the failures. You get very little credit for the success. They'll just name the innovators in each field that did this.
And it is a thankless job. And that's why they steal.
That is why they steal.
You've got to give it to them. The reason Pelosi and them steal is because she's like, listen, you motherfuckers didn't care about the student lunch program. we did. No one reported on that. So the reality is we're going to have to take a little off the top.
You think that's what it is?
That's probably what it is.
I think they just get used to that job.
That grift.
Yeah. I think people, and I think that's how people who are relatively good people, become politicians and get tainted by it. Right. I think when you get inside the machine and you realize that influence has a massive effect on all sorts of decisions that get made, and that there's some sort of weird loophole that allows you to know about laws that are going to be passed in advance and then buy stock in accordance to what you know. And it's not insider trading.
It's not illegal.
It should be.
And they all do it. If you look at the congressmen, right and left, they're all doing it.
But it's got to suck to be the guy who goes to Washington who doesn't do it. Yeah. You've got to suck so much. And you're from some shit state, right? Delaware, something.
And you get there and you're going to ruin the party. You're going to blow the whistle. Everybody's like, dude, this is how we make our money. Right. And you're the guy fucking that up.
That's got to be a lot of pressure.
They would kill you. They'd probably kill you. It's like New York City cops. That's right. Yeah.
It's like that movie, The Seven Five. Yeah. First day on the job, you see the guy get thrown out of a window. It's like he jumped, right? And you're like, yeah, definitely jumped.
Yeah. You guys just killed somebody. Yeah.
Yeah. I guess there's so much pressure because you don't want to be on the outs with everybody.
Yeah. Especially when you are involved in this business. It's very competitive, right? You're getting elected all the time. You're competing with other people.
You're trying to get your name out there. And you're in this world, where all these people that are in this world are doing this thing. You're going to do that thing, too, probably. You'd have to be like – or you'd have to be very vocal against it. And that would be a real problem.
People like Bernie Sanders, who gets nothing done. People just like him. He's liked, but he gets nothing done. He's from Vermont. He's like, you know, I'm cool.
I believe in shit. Everybody's like, good for you. And then nothing happens.
I think it would have been an interesting one-term president.
Yeah.
It would have been very –.
Very interesting.
It would have been very interesting if there was no shenanigans, right? Right. If the DNC didn't rig the primaries. Right. Because they kind of did, right?
I don't know how they did it, but this is something that – what's that woman's name? who wrote that book? Donna? – Brazil? Donna, Brazil.
Yeah. She talked about it. And she talked about being terrified after Seth Rich got murdered. Right. You know?
She was terrified for her own life?
Sure. I mean – Right. Look, just random violence. House of Cards – Not murder. Yeah.
But random violence.
Yeah.
Is common in D.C. It probably is. Right.
But also, that probably wasn't –.
Probably wasn't random.
And that – House of Cards, if you rewatch it – I rewatched it. It is probably pretty close to the way things happen. I mean, listen. Do they make it fun to watch? Absolutely.
I get – when everybody's being blackmailed and controlled and people disappear and die. Yeah. That probably is close to the way it works.
Probably real close.
Probably real close.
Yeah. Super close.
But then you think, how else could it work? Right? Like, it's weird to envision – it's almost weirder to think of it not working like that. In a weird way. Not to be too cynical about it, but like, just imagine people showing up in, like, good faith, debating each other and being like, well, I see your point, and, well, I have a point.
Like, it feels like that's a total fantasy. That would be great, and I'd love that to happen. That feels more of a fantasy than House of Cards, where they're like, oh, you don't want to vote on that bill? Take a look at that envelope. And it's just you and some chick, you're fucking walking out of a restaurant.
That seems to be more the way it happens.
Definitely more the way it happened in the past. Right. And we know that. So probably more likely it happens like that now. Right.
Imagine being in any other business where, when your friend drowns in front of your house, everybody's like, right.
Any other business. Like if you're a comic, like if you came over my house and drowned. No one would think I killed you. No one. They would just think you drowned.
Absolutely. But if you're a politician, if I was the president.
People would be very not shocked if I drowned. It would be a very, like, believable. You could drown me and there'd be Marcher on my neck. They'd be like, that fat idiot fell, choked himself and died. Like, it would be easy.
Right. Yeah.
Any of our friends, for the most part, not all of them.
Pretty much everybody, except for Alex Jones.
Most people we know could die. And it would be a very believable story.
Yes.
Just some dumb thing they did. Sure. Yeah.
It does happen.
But when a chef is on a pond outside of your house. By the way, when you're not there, like you're letting the chef use your estate, when you're not there. Does that seem weird? that the Obamas were like, oh, no, no, no. You go.
You go, use it. You know that $11 million house we have on Martha's Vineyard? You use it. Doesn't that seem odd?
Well, if the house is that big, though, it probably has a guest house.
If they were there, it makes sense. He's cooking for them.
But weren't they on the island then?
I don't know.
I think they're saying they were on the island. The problem is we can't have access to the recordings, the 9-11 calls, because you'll hear satanic sounds in the background. Yeah.
You hear screams.
There's weird stuff with the police log with that.
Gongs.
They didn't fill it out immediately.
Oh, really?
Yeah. I mean, there's shady stuff. But listen, here's the reality. If you're the Obamas and you can't kill someone you want, what is the point? Literally, what is the point?
But imagine if you're the Obamas and your friend just fucking drowns. Yes.
And you didn't have anything to do with it.
Maybe he had a reaction to some medication.
Poison that you gave him. Yes.
Or maybe it's some medication that a lot of people took.
And he has a heart attack. A lot of people near these people die. That's my only thing. Like if you're like a dog walker for the Clintons or you're like a Shetlick, if you're near either the Bush family, the Clinton family, a lot of these families, the people that are with them, their secret service agent, they have accidents. They hear a lot of stuff.
Yeah. They overhear stuff. They're partying to things. They see things. And then a lot of them, just, you know, they have accidents.
Yeah. Whoopsies. Bye. Whoops. Sorry.
All of a sudden the guy's hanging from an extension cord and shoots himself in the chest with a shotgun. That seems, you know, unlikely. Where'd they find the shotgun? How far away did they find it from his body? Some very unusual distance.
I'd be so disappointed if we find out none of it's true.
Oh, yeah.
I would be so disappointed. If we find out that all of them died of natural causes, I would be so disappointed.
When would this, like? 50 people that have died under suspicious circumstances? Right. At least one of them. Right.
It says the 12-gauge shotgun was 30 feet from his body when he was found dead. Right.
Well, he shot himself and then threw it.
30 feet is very far. That could be that, here's the thing, if you are actually holding a shotgun and shooting it in your chest, there's not going to be any resistance on the other end. Right. So it's essentially like a rocket. So it's not, because of the way you would have to do it to shoot yourself in the chest with a shotgun.
Right. It's possible. It is. Yeah, it's possible that it would go flying. And then it would fly out.
Yeah, it would go flying. So maybe he was just super troubled, and that is what he did.
You just got to think about it. If you occupy that level of society and somebody is threatening you, how do you deal with it? If you have the, you know, whatever you want to call it, the ambition, the ruthlessness to get there, and somebody is trying to take that from you, what do you do? How do you handle it? You try to blacken their name in the press, you try to besmirch them, and if that doesn't work, what do you do?
Do you just say, okay, I guess we're just going to get taken down by a scandal? Or do you just say, hey, we got to take care of this?
I think it really depends on who you are and what kind of accents to people you have. You know?
I can't imagine anybody getting to that level of society. Right. And letting themselves get taken down by someone far below them. Usually, when those families get taken out, they're taken out by like an equal. Someone at their level, right?
But when someone far below you, that you could get rid of, or, you know, it's just like that guy outside of that restaurant in LA, Austria, Mozart, in Melrose and Highland, whose car just went into a... Things like that happen. And of course, yeah, maybe he was drunk and just decided to go 150 miles an hour.
I'm talking about that journalist.
Michael Hastings. Yeah. Things like that happen and they're weird. And you say to yourself, like, did you piss the wrong person off?
And he certainly did. Yeah.
And then how do people at that level deal with it? It makes a lot of sense to me that people like that would use violence to deal with their enemies.
Yeah. You know? Yeah.
To silence their enemies forever. Like, that makes sense to me. But maybe I'm too cynical and maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But it would make a lot of sense to me that they would...
There'd be a meeting. I think the people would meet and they'd go, yeah, we got to take care of this. We can't allow this to become a thing.
Yeah.
You know?
And that's how they've done it throughout history. Right. I mean, that's what they did when they got rid of JFK.
That's what Lizzo should have done with those bitches. But those bitches who turned on her because she was trying to help them. First of all, you don't get to be a fat backup dancer. That doesn't exist. It's not real.
Lizzo made that category of person. She made it. And then they turned on her. That's crazy.
She made it. What is she accused of?
Fat, shaming them. Making them rehearse. Making them stand up. That's what their version of fat shaming is. Making them stand up and walk onto the stage.
Making them rehearse. Taking them to a sex club in Amsterdam where the performers are shooting bananas out of their pussies because this is what happens. And Lizzo is like forcing them to touch the nude performers and force one of them to eat a banana that came out of the vagina of a sex worker performer dancer. in the sex club. Lizzo makes a girl.
She's like, eat the banana. Eat the banana. And then the girl gets really angry at that. But supposedly Lizzo was just abusing her power. This is what they're all saying.
But I don't know if I buy that. I think it's bitter people maybe that are angry. Because they all look like Lizzo. This is what's going to drive them nuts. They look exactly like her.
And she's worth 40 million. And they're probably getting paid shit. So they're in the background every night dancing. And it ain't easy. It's fun to be on that TV show that she had.
But then you have to do it every night. And they're icing their joints.
You know it's hard. They're in the trailer. It's fucking tough. Lizzo had to start getting on. some of them going like, you got to tone it down.
It's becoming a problem. The weight is becoming a problem. And then Lizzo's response, where she's like, I would never fire any of them because of their weight. It's like, what a weird statement. They're dancers.
How fat can they get? How fucking big can they get? If I wanted to be a dancer for Taylor Swift and she came up to me and went, you're too fat to do this. I'd go, that makes sense. And I'd leave with some dignity.
But these women, Lizzo has them on stage. She has them dancing. And then all of a sudden she's abusing or making them do weird shit. And they all are now suing her. And her streaming has slowed down big time.
The ads, you know how it is. It's a big cancellation.
So this show, were these girls dancers before they got on her show?
No, because you can't be a dancer at a certain, let's just be very honest here. They're not at the ballet. You know how the ballerinas are on the tippy toes? That's not happening. These women, it's a fetish.
dancing. These are larger women. And I don't mean like, oh, I had a cheesecake. I mean like, these are big, big, big ladies. And they're dancing because Lizzo's whole thing.
Lizzo's like, I'm not getting enough attention, just being the fatty up front. I want everyone on stage to be fat. So I can get more praise. Because the media will be like, not only is she fat, everyone's fat. The whole stage looks like shit.
How good of a person is she? That's what they want. I think that's what she wanted. It wasn't enough that it was her.
It was the ballerinas.
But the question was, these gals, how often did they have to dance? Was it like every night? How often was that show? Was it a once a week show?
I don't know, but they were on tour. So you'd figure when you're on tour.
Okay, so they're doing regular shows.
Regular shows.
Now, this is my question. When you're a big girl and you're not exercising, then all of a sudden someone hires you for a dance show because they want big girls. Right.
It's tough. Your body's not prepared for that. Your joints are weak.
Very hard.
You could get really fucked up. It's like asking someone to go into some crazy cardiovascular workout.
Right. And they get mad at Lizzo. because Lizzo doesn't have to do anything. She just pulls out the flute.
Can I see what it looked like? Can you show me what that show was like?
Can you show us the big girls? Here come the big girls as the show. But I think they're also angry at Lizzo, because they're like, we're dancing and rehearsing. She doesn't have to rehearse. Lizzo just kind of walks out on stage and sings her songs and does a little, but then pulls out the flute.
These girls have to dance through the whole thing. So it's difficult. It's hard.
It sounds hard.
It's not easy.
Here's the TV show I got. It's hard for a dancer.
Here we go.
Okay, so there's Lizzo. It's on Amazon Prime Video. What's up, y'all?
It's Lizzo.
I'm looking for dancers to join me on my tour.
Girls that look like me don't get representation.
Time to pull up my sleeves and find them myself.
We thick and we pretty, and we know what we about.
It's the battle of the big girls.
Oh. I'm a background dancer for Lizzo.
Just me, everything.
You could tell how badly this was going to go, by the way. Hey, ladies!
What do we have in store? This is the fun part. I'm always doubting myself, and I feel like that has been detrimental in how I approach dance. I'm realizing that I do deserve a spot on that stage. It's hard to love yourself in a world that doesn't love you back.
You were created specially in your image. for you to enjoy. You don't have to be light-skinned. You don't have to be skinny.
You're just beautiful the way you are.
I need to challenge myself and step outside my comfort zone.
It's a competition.
Some people are not at the same level that I am. She's trying to demean me. She's not understanding how to read the room.
Oh!
You might not make it into the show. I see a lot of...
So what was that one that we just passed through? There was one that like... Was that a transgender person?
Yes, I believe that is a transgender person.
Yeah, even in like a quick glance.
Yes, it was a quick... That wasn't... I'll say they didn't do a great job. At the... You know, fully going to the other gender there.
You know what I mean? They kind of stopped. And that's fine. Everyone does a great job all the time at everything. I brought my car to get washed and it comes out and you go...
And that's kind of what that was. But...
So the show is basically she's hiring these girls?
These girls, listen...
And then they're going on tour together.
I've had drug addictions.
When you are not in a good mental state, which is a lot of the reason people act out with different things, right? With substances, with food, with whatever. You know, listen... If you have people that are emotionally... That have issues, you know?
And Lizzo might have them as well. It's a toxic soup of... Maybe. that becomes a problem. on tour.
Yeah. Everybody... The idea of a judge having to adjudicate this to me on tour... The idea of a judge in a room having to go who's cold, who's fat, looking at Lizzo on one side and he's like staring at everybody going, wait, who's who? What?
Who's fat? It's crazy, but it's unfortunate because they're coming for her career.
Yeah.
They're coming for her career big time.
The show itself seems like it would be a health risk. Oh, it is. It seems like it would be, right?
To force people to work out.
Part of the lawsuit has to do with the recording that one of the dancers made. And I'm reading this article. This sounds... It's interesting. If you guys would want to read it.
Okay. It's pretty fun.
The suit also describes an alleged meeting with dancers on April 27th, at which Lizzo repeatedly referenced William's termination. Allegedly telling her that she had.
allegedly held an emergency meeting where she discovered that the previous meeting had been recorded, the suit says. She became furious, hurling expletives at the group and stating that she was going to go around the room person by person until somebody told Lizzo who made the recording. according to the lawsuit. The suit says Davis confirmed that she had recorded the meeting, allegedly told Lizzo that she hadn't meant any harm and had deleted the video. Lizzo allegedly responded, there is nothing you can say to make me believe you.
So it's kind of like mafia shit.
Here's what I want to know. When it says became furious, hurling expletives at the group and stated that she was going to go around the room person by person, until someone told Lizzo who made the recording. God, I hope she refers to herself in the third person.
Somebody better tell Lizzo.
I hope that's how she says it. That would be amazing. If she said someone better tell Lizzo.
Yeah, I mean she brought all these women on tour, probably to abuse them.
I don't think they thought it through. That's what I'm saying.
When you have a bunch of fatty boom baddies on the tour, she's probably having a little fun going, girls, you know, she's probably.
eat some pussy out of a banana.
Yeah, eat the pussy, banana. And also, bitch, do it, because where else are you going to dance? You're not getting hired anywhere else. Like, unfortunately, or fortunately, you're not working. So you were given this really weird, unique opportunity.
to be a woman. It doesn't exist anywhere else. So, you know.
This is like not to body shame anybody, but there's been a weird shift in just the way society looks at these things. Because it used to be that women that were representing clothes and things had ideal shapes. Like, that's what they used for advertisement. And then something changed,
and they decided to... they decided to really prioritize people who could breathe on their own.
And...
And I... Listen, listen. As a person, I've struggled with my weight. But I know that if fat is not good, eating the wrong thing isn't good. We shouldn't turn it into good.
It's crazy to turn it into good. That's a horrible idea.
Women could be encouraged in this exact same state. They could either be encouraged that you're perfect on your own, and don't you worry about anything. And don't you even worry about what food is. Just eat to your heart's content.
Right. Well, there were things in L.A., they put this weird story out where it was like, the L.A. school district was like, let's stop telling kids that fruits and vegetables are good and that junk food is bad.
and that's racist. If you tell a kid, there's a difference between an Oreo and an orange, that is racist. Recently, they had a thing where Lizzo lost a few pounds. I don't know how, but she moves around a lot, so she shaved a couple off, maybe lost a little bit in the face. Don't know how it happened.
They started attacking her. The fat activist people started saying, how dare you?
I'm an artist. I'm a singer. This is what I do. Not, I'm the symbol of all fat people. Because now you own them.
Now you own the fatties. And you have to stay fat. And you gotta stay fat. So Lizzo loses a few pounds and then people start attacking her, going, how dare you lose the weight? And Lizzo literally made a statement.
She said, I move around a lot for my job. I mean, look at how insane this world is.
I'm trying to be thin. I don't even want to be thin. This was an accident. To keep this rapid fan base.
of crazy people. My health was an accident.
My health was an accident. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it.
I didn't mean to improve.
It won't happen again. So we've gone so far.
Kevin James had a manager that told him once, when you're losing weight,
people gotta get used to you another way.
Whatever.
But you gotta remember, with somebody like Lizzo, you could lose a lot of weight, you're still a problem. That's the whole thing. She could lose a lot of weight and it's still,
it's such a luxury concern when people are like, how's the world gonna relate to me with a six pack? Just stand up by yourself and then get to there.
We've shifted the goalposts from. let's not abuse people, let's not be nasty to people, especially if you don't know them, or if you know them, if they're your kids or your friends, it's completely appropriate to go, hey, what's going on here? But if you don't know people, shitting on them on the internet or whatever, that's a shitty thing to do. But saying that there's no difference health-wise between the big girls on that show and then thinner dancers is crazy. And we can't live in a world where we remove all sense of reality because then it's like, the only fun of eating a cupcake or a little scoop of ice cream is knowing it's bad.
That's the point. Not because it's good. When you eat a little something you shouldn't eat, you go, I did the wrong thing. I'm a bad boy. And you should feel ashamed a little bit.
The shame because it tastes so fucking good.
Yeah, it's just worth the shame. If you've ever been, I walked out of a frozen yogurt shop once and someone recognized me. I don't get recognized all the time, but somebody recognized me. You should be ashamed of that. If someone goes, hey man, I like your stuff and you're holding frozen yogurt at 2 p.m., you should be ashamed of that.
That should be a shameful moment in your life. You should be like,
I'm Sam Talent in Austin, walking out of Amy's Ice Cream with Sam Talent. And then somebody goes, oh, Tim Dillon, and you go, you spin around, you look at it, and it's two, and the only other people in the thing are children. Because it's a fucking ice cream shop. There'll be people, there are fucking kids. They're nine years old, right?
And then these rich BK moms, there should be a moment where we go, oh, this isn't good. This isn't right. Divorcing yourself from that, that's when I think comedy gets weird. That's when I think everything gets weird. When you stop saying what is real or true to you, and when you start adopting this idea that up is down and down is up, and it's just a matter of how you look at it, that's when everything starts to get crazy.
Yeah, and that's where we are.
That's kind of where we are.
We're talking to the population that is questioning everything right now. I mean, mathematics. Yeah. We're talking about mathematics being racist and subjective, or somehow. Yeah.
What was the argument?
I don't know. Because it was designed, anything designed by white people, like I said, is inherently and potentially.
It's so dumb.
Yeah, well, now it's important to like, local stuff's important now, right? Like your family. You can't really rely on institutions. You can try to improve them, but the local stuff's important, like your family, your community, the values that people have, right? And the schools you send your kids to, like the context you provide your kids now.
So when they come home and go, well, the teacher said this, and you go, yeah, but let me. You can't outsource it anymore and trust that your kids are going to get like a good education. You have to get involved and go,
but also there's also a whole other world here. Like, I don't think we could send kids to school and have them go, like, no, your teacher's right about everything, which I never believed. I never believed that somebody driving a Toyota Camry was correct.
Well, you also have to think that those adults are with your children more than you are during the day. That's right. They're there for hours and hours with the undivided attention of your kids. That's right.
That's a fucking loon. Some of them are not. Some of them think that they have a job to do to, like, remove the programming of the parents that they don't agree with. Right. So they could not agree with the parents and tell the kids that the parents are wrong and they're right.
Right. Which is a real creepy thing, because I don't know who's right and who's wrong. This is a made up scenario, right? But just that someone would decide that they are right and the parents are wrong and they want to convince this child of something, whether it's they have political leanings, whether it's their attitude on whatever the fuck it is. Whatever it is.
That someone would get into your kid's head and have some very questionable and debatable ideas that they're trying to push as doctrine. Yeah. And that does happen. I've had some shitty fucking teachers that will just tell you, you know, tell you that they are right about certain things. Yes.
I used to do cocaine with the substitutes at my school, and those were, that was kind of the level of teacher we had. But we had some great teachers and then we had some teachers that were not great, right? You know, we all know those teachers, right? We all know those teachers who had kind of an agenda. Yeah.
Like, they went in and they were like, they were teachers because nobody would listen to them.
So now they had this captive audience.
and they were like, well, I'm going to talk. We had a health teacher like that in, you know, high school that had like an agenda, not even like a sexuality agenda or whatever. She would just complain about her own miserable life to us. Like she would just tell us about her husband and everything like that.
She was going through a divorce.
Oh, my God.
And you're like, oh, this woman just wants people to talk to.
And that's how she taught class.
Yeah. She just would complain about, like she had just gone through a divorce and, you know, like the husband.
What was the subject? It was health.
It's like a fake class anyway. And this bitch would just get up and like literally. she said to one kid, one, she goes, you're like a really effeminate kid. He was like, well, if I get married, she goes, you're gay. Oh my God.
And then the class was like, what?
And then she's like, she goes,
and he goes, excuse me. And she goes, no, you're gay. And then just moved on. Like she was wacky. I think she ended up getting fired.
But she clearly used her classroom as like a thing, like a therapy session.
Yeah.
Where she wasn't like going over, you know, this was just like her. I think that my grandmother was a teacher. She was an amazing teacher. But yeah, I don't think it's appropriate.
to inflict. You can have opinions, obviously, as a teacher, but like, you know, you gotta understand that there's like certain things that, but then there's overreaction too, where I think they banned the book in Florida because it had two penguins that were dudes, but it wasn't like they weren't, the penguins weren't fucking. What? They unbanned the book.
Come on. DeSantis gets a little wild. Well, he's probably got some really wild people that are supporting him too.
Yeah, so he gets a little wild.
You get into those religious groups.
It gets a little cult-like. But I'm always, as somebody who's been out of the closet for years and years and don't hide anything, I don't think six-year-olds should be taught about any sexuality.
No.
It has nothing to do with their lives. Right. They should be taught reading, math, the alphabet, anybody going like, boys in this line, girls in this line, and this line is for my special people,
like, out.
That's what I feel. Yeah. And that's what most gay people over a certain age feel. It's like, it's silly.
And Tango Makes Three recounts the true story of two male penguins who were devoted to each other. at the Central Park Zoo in New York. A zookeeper saw them building a nest and trying to incubate an egg-shaped rock, gave them an egg from a different penguin pair with two eggs after they were having difficulty hatching more than one egg at a time. The chick cared for by the male penguins was named Tango. So male Tango had two gay dads.
Is that? That's what they're saying. But they unbanned this, I think. They banned it and then unbanned it. I don't know why they unbanned it.
The ban was lifted, because I guess it wasn't explicit.
What is wrong with gay penguins?
I don't know. I think it's an overreaction.
But there were books where they were showing explicit oral sex. They were showing illustrations of oral sex.
That's crazy. That's crazy. No, it's insane.
And talking about lust and wanting someone. It's essentially cartoon pornography.
No, that's crazy. And it's also crazy to introduce the concept of gender theory to children.
It's not fair.
It's not fair. It's crazy.
Kids are so fucking malleable, man.
They're malleable. And if they hear, oh, there's boys and girls. If you're transgender, you'll know. If you're gay, you'll know.
You don't need to be told that you're transgender or gay or lesbian, whatever. You don't need to be told that by anybody.
Another thing that really scares me is there does not seem to be a lot of attention paid, made to detransitioners.
Right.
You know, when you're celebrating this one thing.
There's another side.
I feel like you have a responsibility.
Except Ben Shapiro's doing a new musical, The Detransitioners. That'll be very good.
It's going to be on this platform where it's going to be a bunch of trans people who have detransitioned. Well, the funniest thing now is some of the people that are critical of the trans stuff are trans people that have detransitioned. So they look wild. And then they're on Twitter, or whatever it's called now, fighting with the other people. And it's like the Lizzo Fat thing where you go, wait, who's what?
I don't even know what's happening. But yeah, there's a lot of people.
that have detransitioned.
Kristen Beck. She was a Navy SEAL. His name's Chris Beck, right? And then he became Kristen and then went back to being a guy.
That's why you can't make those decisions when you're young. You got to see what happens.
Well, you also got to realize that there is some very strange spectrum of human being. That's right. And everybody looks, for some reason, we try to find what is like us out there. Right. You just can't just accept whatever.
I'm the opposite. I'm fascinated by people not like me. I see these comedy shows in New York City, where they'll be like the all brown comedy show or the all gay comedy show.
They look exactly like you. Right. It's the weirdest thing in our culture now that everybody needs to be around people like them.
Well, it's social media, echo chambers amplified into the real world. That's what it is. And the thing about wanting everybody to be like you, the problem with that is like what if you go up last? All those fucking dudes have all the material.
It's just. I understand community. I understand having shared experiences with people. Yeah, but I also think the most, some of the most adventurous parts of life and the most interesting and most exciting are when you're with. How many cool star stories start with, like somebody went on a trip and met a bunch of people that no idea.
Right. Different cultures.
Yeah.
And they said I had the most epic trip ever, because and they'll describe every person that ended up on this backpacking thing with them. And not one of them is like another one. And it seems so cool that everybody brings a perspective that you don't have. Yeah. You know.
And now it's like people are like, oh, I just want to be around people like myself all the time. And to me, I'm like, isn't that boring? Isn't it boring to agree with all of your friends?
It is boring.
It's boring.
Yeah.
You want to. you want people in your life that you detest, you know, also strongly dislike.
that think they're smart and are wrong.
Right.
Right. Those are the funnest people. Certainty is hilarious.
Yes.
People would have to reverse themselves all the time. Really. I have to reverse myself a lot.
I do, too.
I will do a whole thing and people go, well, it's not like that. And I go, well, then, that's fine, too. And I'll just keep going like 100 percent, because that's what keeps life fun.
Yes. Yeah. And, you know, and it's always interesting to try to figure out why someone strongly believes what they believe. If you don't believe it, it's always interesting. Right.
Especially if they're smart. Yeah. It's always interesting to like, OK, how did you come to that? Like, when really brilliant people are very religious. I'm always interested.
That's what's very.
interesting is like I for me, my grandmother and grandfather was deeply religious. My grandmother was a liberal. My grandfather was a conservative. So politically, they were completely different. But they each went through mass every day and they believe deeply in the Catholic faith.
Right. And they had great lives. And it was a very important thing for both of them. But politically, they came out of from completely different ways. So he'd vote for Reagan and she'd vote for whoever.
Right.
Mondale, a divided household.
Well, no, they were different. My grandpa, my grandfather, was my father's father. My grandmother was my mother's mother. But they got along. They loved me.
They were great people. They were very religious. But my grandmother said, I don't I, for example, don't believe women that one abortion should have to go to a back alley. And my grandfather said, I believe that life starts conception. We should not have legal.
But there was a big disagreement. Hmm. But like they bought into some people that would have disqualified my grandmother. They would have been like, well, she's not a real Christian, but she was out teaching catechism, helping people, volunteering, doing all the stuff that Jesus probably would have done, you know. So it was like they were completely different.
But it is interesting. We have deeply religious. I think it's. it's a lot of like, you know, without religion, it is difficult, without some idea of why we're here and what we're doing. It is a it's a tough.
go of it. Yeah. For a lot of it's a tough.
go of it as a pure intellectual. Right. You know, some of the smartest people I know are really freaked out about life.
Everything. that's just chance and theories and going like one guy gets in a car, another guy gets in a car. That guy makes it home. That guy doesn't.
Living with the reality of that every day is really tough. Yeah. You know what I mean? It is. So I think what, you know, these systems that, you know, are very comforting, and it would be great if there was some version of it.
that was true. Like if there was some omniscient being rewarding the good and punishing the bad. Yeah. Phenomenal.
I think there's a lot of that.
But maybe there's a third way, which you talk about a lot. And that's from like the DMT and stuff like that. Maybe there's. maybe we will just go to some peaceful energy field. Isn't that kind of the game?
Who knows? Well, who knows what we are like? Right. We think of our consciousness as our consciousness coming out.
of our mouth through our.
words.
Right.
And what we do and where we go and what we see. Right. You know, but like what is it? What is that energy if it's unstrapped from the human body, when it doesn't need to communicate with sound, when it doesn't have a body? Right.
Is there something in there that goes somewhere else? Because if that's like the, this idea of the soul, like that's one of the ways that people describe, like DMT, experiences. That you're entering into like a well of souls. Right. You know, that there's just some process.
That there's some.
thing. That thing goes back into a body and then a new body has that thing in it. Interesting.
So this is the.
reincarnation. Yeah. The reincarnation idea.
But I don't want that.
There's another one. Okay. One other thought.
I don't like that one. So let's get to one I like.
The other one is that you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right.
That I don't love either. That I don't love either. That I have to take mega buses again, you know, performing bars in Western Massachusetts.
I know, but would that be so horrible? If you already did it.
What about past life regressive therapy? You think there's anything to that, or do you think that's just a racket?
Passive, regressive?
No, past life regression.
Oh, past life regression.
Where, like somebody, would go, you were Napoleon.
Well, there's some real issues with that. Yeah. People are very suggestible. It depends entirely on who's providing the therapy. There was a guy that did that.
His name was John Mack, and he did that with UFO people, all these people that claim to have been abducted. And he freaked out more at tyranny. And she gave me a book, like at work when we were doing news radio together. She's like, you've got to read this. This is crazy.
And it's all about these people that got abducted. They all have the same fucking story. And this guy did it all through hypnotic regression. But there were some people that felt like he had made suggestive questions to them and that perhaps led them in a certain way. Right.
To, maybe even fabricate this kind of a memory. I don't know, though. It's like I'm super suspicious. I mean, I think that it's totally possible that someone could put you into hypnosis. Right.
And in that hypnosis, you can recall something that was traumatic. I also think it's totally possible for you to have false memories implanted in your head. Right. Because they know that you can do that. They know they can do that with people.
They can give people false memories. And so these people, they'll tell them about things that happen. And all these people will repeat this thing that happened. They remember it. But it never happened.
And then they have to tell them that never happened.
Interesting. My friend's mother was into, like Shirley McClain apparently is really into this stuff.
Oh, super into it.
She's super into it. So my friend's mother was like really into it, too. And my friend's mother was just a rich, Long Island wine drunk. Nice.
And she just,
you know what I mean? She didn't work or anything. You know, she was just a fun, crazy bitch that we'd drink martinis with and smoke cigarettes. It was so much fun. And then, like after a few martinis, she'd start talking about her past life and Shirley McClain and how she used to, you know, she was a man in her past life and she was like a general in a war.
Of course. Right, of course. Of course. Because she went shopping all day. She went to the grocery store.
In the past,
she was a winner.
Yeah, you're right.
I did my winning.
Yes. In another life. Yeah. She was like, I was Napoleon.
Imagine bragging about a past life.
Well, that's what she would do. She would always turn me off to it because I was like, oh, this bitch seemed like, and then Shirley McClain would have some workshop where all these crazy bitches would go in that, of course, had nothing to do during the day.
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