#2040 - Eddie Bravo
2023-09-27 02:42:30
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I went to my first NFL game. Yeah. What? Yeah. Are we on?
Yeah, we're up, we're up. The Jets versus the Cowboys. Oh. Yeah. In Dallas.
Yeah, Cowboys. That just happened, right? Yeah. Two weeks ago? Or last week?
Last week.
Last Sunday.
Yeah, a week ago.
A week ago. Yeah. It was fucking awesome. How many people does that place seat? That one's probably close to 100..
It's amazing. 80 plus for sure.
80 plus.
That place is fucking amazing. Yeah. I've never seen an NFL game live.
I'm so into football, man.
I get it now.
I'm so into it.
Bro, I get it. I'm friends with Aaron Rodgers, and I don't even watch football.
Yeah.
And Aaron was supposed to play, but then Aaron blew out his Achilles tendon. real bad. Yeah.
First drive of the first game. Crazy. All this hype. The craziest shit. All this hype about Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets.
And the crazy thing is, they had drafted a year or two before that. Zach Wilson was number one draft pick. He was supposed to be the new quarterback that was going to take the Jets to the Super Bowl. But he's had a miserable last couple of years. And so, instead of giving up on him, the Jets said, OK, let's bring in Aaron Rodgers.
Because Green Bay was moving on from Aaron Rodgers. They got this guy Love. Eventually, like all the legends, eventually their last couple of years, they play on another team. Like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. The last couple of years, they go to a different team.
And some time—.
You got to get Peyton.
Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of money.
I get it.
Yeah. And then the first drive, after all that hype with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers in New York City, it was huge. And then, boom, he's gone for the season.
Yeah, he thinks he'll be back in six months. He said it's usually six to 12 months, but he said that's for vaccinated people.
But then my Browns, you know, I'm following the Browns every day in the offseason. Undrafted free agents. The fucking draft. Everything. You're all in, huh?
I'm all in. I love it. I love it. It's such an amazing sport. Like every player has their own mission.
And the quarterback needs to know as many of those missions as possible. He needs to know what's going on. But everyone else, they just need one mission. They got one mission. Every player, everybody's doing something different.
It's incredible to watch.
And then there's all these coaches. I'm actually friends with…. Do you remember? there was a Sports Illustrated article on a football coach that was an offensive line coach that was teaching jiu-jitsu to NFL players to help them in the offensive line? That's Scott Peters from the Cleveland Browns.
Really? Yeah, there was an article on it. And I remember reading it a couple years ago.
What would help with jiu-jitsu? Just being able to clinch? Understanding how to throw bodies around? I think so.
Wrestling seems like it would help a lot.
Touch, feel, balance. But I'm not sure. I need to talk to him about that, because I just met him via text through a friend. I had a guy on a podcast. He knows him.
And apparently, he played football too. His name is Scott Peters. And when he retired, he started doing MMA and started doing jiu-jitsu and fell in love with it. Then he got a job. He's an assistant offensive line coach for the Browns.
And he's all about teaching them jiu-jitsu. Wow. It's pretty badass.
Well, I'd imagine those guys are all badasses. They want to learn jiu-jitsu. Who doesn't want to learn jiu-jitsu?
Yeah, yeah.
Who's going, nah, I don't want to learn that shit?
A lot of people, actually.
They just don't want to get strangled. Yeah. They don't want to start out as beginners.
The same thing happened to the Browns the second week.
On paper, the Browns look like a playoff contender. for sure, on paper. But everyone, you know, it's all about how you execute and how it all gels. But the one constant that we have, we have the best running back in the game, Nick Chubb. Best running back.
He rarely, ever, gets hurt. You know, we needed some wide receivers. We needed some defensive linemen. We got all new defensive linemen except for Myles Garrett and a new defensive coordinator. But we always knew Nick Chubb.
We got the best running back in the game, probably ever. His average is 5.4.. A carry that's huge. That's like top three in NFL history. It's incredible.
He's so good. Second week, Monday Night Football, his leg fucking breaks. It was so gruesome.
Is that the one when it broke at the knee?
Yeah. Oh, I saw that. They didn't show the replays. They didn't show the replays.
Oh, I saw it online. They showed it online. Oh, my God. It was horrible. Yeah.
That was devastating. I got sad. Like, for two or three days, I was like, Oh, my God, I spent all this fucking time and now we just lost our best player. Fuck! But they came back the next week, which was yesterday, and dominated the Titans.
They adjusted.
Yeah. And they're all doing it for Nick Chubb.
I guarantee you that, you know, it used to be that if you got like an ACL injury, you were never coming back to any sport. And now, MMA fighters get ACL injuries all the time. And they get rehab and then they come back and they're good to go. I guarantee you, in the future, they're going to be able to regenerate tissue in some wild way where those injuries are just going to be commonplace. No big deal.
This fix you?
I hope so. Apparently, he just, apparently, it looks like everything would have ripped, right? The PCL, the ACL, everything. But apparently, they're saying it was just the MCL. What?
And that it's not that bad.
Show that again.
Can we see that? I wouldn't see it. They didn't show the replay and I wouldn't even see it.
There's a still frame. Oh! It's pointed forward and his body is sideways. Oh! And the knee is bent.
Oh, shit! Oh, my God. That's the same knee he injured in college. And look at him, chilling.
No, that's him.
He was screaming. I'm sure. Right there, he looks pretty calm. I'd be fucking crying like a baby.
I think he's crying.
Oh, look at him right there. He's screaming. But the amount of pain. he must have been in there. Agony.
Look at that shit. He also knew.
He knew what was about to happen, too. He just did this rehab a couple years ago. Oh, no. So, same knee? See this one right here?
Oh, Jesus! That's him? That's him in college. Oh, my God! So, he's probably already weak.
Well, again, he's the baddest. Oh, my God. He's strong as fuck. Yeah. Oh, my God.
Yeah, he's, in the NFL, he's known for his work ethic in the weight room. Oh, my God. He's like, what does he squat? Something ridiculous, Jamie? It's like, he always puts up videos where he's squatting, like, ridiculous shit.
675 here.
675.. Jesus Christ. How much can you, what's your max?
I don't have a max.
Oh, my God. That's him.
That's him. Bro, I watched this guy who was doing that and both his legs exploded. You know those Instagram clips? There's so many Instagram. Tom Segura and I, every day, when I wake up in the morning to take a leak and I check my phone, Tom Segura's sending me some fucking horrible video.
We share horrible videos to each other. It's like, I'll show you the thread. We got an ongoing thread of me and him, just the worst shit we can find online. We send to each other, and every day I get nervous every time I open up my phone. It's all fucking, it's all like, yeah, I sent him this one today.
This guy's brakes failed. I sent you this, Jamie. This one's horrible. There's so many videos like that. Have you ever seen more people die than on Instagram lately?
What do you mean? Oh, death?
Death. Oh. I've seen more people get shot, more people get run over by cars, more people get gored by bulls, more people get bit by alligators.
Yeah, I saw.
Look at this one. Brakes, failed. Boom. Look at this. How insane is that, dude?
Fuck. Fuck.
That could happen at any time.
At any time. I think about that all the time when I'm on the highway. You know, when I come home from the mothership, at nighttime in Texas, that's when all the truck drivers are on the road. And so when I come home, sometimes, like, we're the only car on the road. It's like all trucks.
It's all semis. And one time there was some sort of a traffic thing. So the opposite side of the road, all the traffic was shut down, and it was hundreds of semis, hundreds. I'm like, I guess they just drive at night. Like when there's going to be no traffic.
That's when they can make the most time.
That makes sense.
It makes sense. But it's like one of those fucking dudes is not paying attention, or their fucking Adderall runs out or whatever, and they fall asleep at the wheel, and you're done, man.
You know a video I just saw was a couple, male and female, like, off to the side of the road on the freeway, and they're like, I don't know, they broke down, and this tire got loose and was coming and rolling down and fucking went right into the chick. It was horrible, man. It was horrible, man. Have you seen that, Jamie? That one's fucked up.
They take people out, man.
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Yeah. Do you see that one lady who was driving on the highway? She was on pills, and the cops pulled her over, and she had no wheel. Her right passenger side front wheel was gone, and she's driving on the brake. She's got her rotors, and it's just sparking.
She's just like this. She doesn't even know anything's wrong. And the cops pull her over, and they're like, What the fuck are you doing? It's like, What? What's going on?
They're like, Are you on pills? She's like, No, I'm not on pills. Like, she's clearly on pills. And you've got to think, like, how many people out, you know how many people are on oxys, right?
Yeah.
How many people are just driving around on pills?
How are those still legal?
Incredible. Incredible. But meanwhile, marijuana isn't. Meanwhile, mushrooms aren't.
Yeah, they're trying to get the –. I keep seeing that they're still trying to get weed off Schedule 1..
Yeah.
I mean, it seems like it's close, right? You would think that they would just, like, just make that happen already, because state after state after state is legalizing it, right? What's the state of weed in Texas?
Texas, it's decriminalized in Austin. It is illegal in Texas. Bro, they arrested Willie Nelson. That should be against the law.
And Tommy Chong.
Yeah, but Willie Nelson. Tommy Chong was a different one. Tommy Chong was a bad one because what they – and I talked to Tommy after it happened. He did my podcast. This was a long time ago.
They got him in Florida, and all he was doing was selling bongs. He was selling bongs. But if you sell bongs in Florida, it was drug parniphenalia. And so they threatened his family because it was a family business. So Tommy's like, I'll go to jail.
So Tommy went to jail for them. And then afterwards, I think they drug tested him for a long time. I think part of the conditions of his parole was that they had to randomly drug test him so he couldn't smoke any weed for a long fucking time. Now he's selling weed.
And how much time did he do? Did he do time? He did time.
He went to jail, right? He did time. I think, Tommy Chong – I want to say he did two years. Damn. Let's find out.
Find out how much time Tommy Chong did. For weed? Not even for weed, Eddie. For fucking bongs.
Yeah. That was just half-baked. For weed?
Yeah. It's pretty wild that in 2023 it's still illegal. It's pretty wild.
It's pretty damn legal in California. It should be. I mean, it seems like you could just smoke weed anywhere.
Yeah. Vegas, too.
That's what's wild.
Vegas? Bro, there's people in jail for life in Vegas. Still. In the 1970s, if they caught you smoking weed, they'd put you in jail forever. What does it say here?
Nine months. Nine months in federal prison, fine of $20,000, forfeiture of $103,514, and the loss of all merchandise seized during the raid on his business. Fuck. Scary. Nine months for bongs.
Wow. And what year was that?
2004. Damn.
20 years in.
Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. It's not right. It doesn't make any sense. And they got to know it now. It's a slow trickle before things become legal.
But I thought the Biden administration, that was a part of their thing that they ran on, that they were going to decriminalize.
Yeah. That's one democratic issue that I'm with.
100%. 100%. I'm with it. I'm with it. And, you know, in other states, like, I believe, in Oregon, they've decriminalized mushrooms.
What have they done with Oregon with mushrooms? Yeah.
I think they...
I think Oregon might have decriminalized everything. I think Oregon is a wild state. I think they might have decriminalized literally everything. I think they decriminalized steroids. I think they decriminalized mushrooms.
I think they decriminalized fucking everything. Do you know? in Vancouver, you can buy... They have a place called the Drugs Store. And you can go in there and buy tested drugs.
So you can go in there and buy tested cocaine. It's a brick and mortar store. And this guy is apparently testing the boundaries of the law. I mean, what a... I would think that's a trap.
If I was walking into that drug store, I was like, you got cocaine? You have cocaine? Pure cocaine, for sale? Yeah. Are you wearing a wire, bitch?
Like, what the fuck is going on? How are you... What are you doing? You sell... I'm going to buy cocaine from you in a store?
Can I use my credit card? I can? Like, what is... See, if you can find that, the Drugs Store. I think it might have been shut down because the owner died from a suspected fentanyl overdose.
Ah! Whoops. He wasn't taking his own product.
Yeah.
The store was shut down 24 hours later. Oh, wow. Yeah, they might have killed him. But... I bet, like, some rival drug dealers are like, hey, man, fuck you.
If he died from fentanyl, I don't think the government would have poisoned him with fentanyl.
Yeah, the fentanyl thing is crazy. Crazy. How could anybody want to do coke, knowing that shit's out there?
I think they have tests. But if you're one of those dudes who's partying, you're doing coke, you're not going, hey, do you guys have a test? This also wasn't, like, a real store. It was a pop-up shop. Oh.
Like, mobile, like, almost a bus or something. I thought it was at a brick-and-mortar store. It says, after parking his 24-foot camper on Main Street between Hastings and Cordova, he made his first test. I think he was doing... I mean, it does show people walking in and out of a building, but it might have just been vacant.
You know what's crazy? I was just in Japan, and you don't ever have to worry about any kind of crime in Japan.
Isn't it wild? Japan's amazing.
There's no crime. But, you know, it is. That is definitely, and it's so clean. They clean everything. Everybody's super nice.
You know, everybody. But you can't have a gun. Right. Yeah, they got everybody under control. Yeah.
But I was there for Quintet, and Quintet is a team jiu-jitsu tournament. It's amazing. Sakuraba, the pride legend, that's his show. But this time...
Does he still grapple? Yeah.
He's on the team. He's got a team. How's his knees? I don't know.
Does he wrap them up like mommies still?
He doesn't really speak English, so we have a hard time... He's awesome.
I fucking love him.
We just do, like, jokey stuff whenever I see him. Because he's like a clown.
Yeah, he's so funny.
Yeah. But so Quintet decided to co-promote with K-1.. Ooh. You didn't know this? No.
Dude, you're a kickboxing fanatic, and you didn't know K-1 brought back the heavyweight absolute tournament?
I heard they were doing that, but I didn't know they did it.
They brought it back. And guess who they wanted to commentate?
You?
I'm like, why would I commentate a kickboxing...
That's like me commentating on football.
Exactly. Exactly. Same thing. And they asked me because they co-promoted, and it was like in this arena where they had two stages, the K-1 stage and the Quintet stage, and they kind of merged together. And K-1 was during the day.
It started, like, at noon. And then, after K-1 was done, then it all shifted over here on the side and to the Quintet side. That started like at six or something. But they asked me if I wanted to commentate the heavyweight tournament. I'm like, I know nothing about...
The only thing I know about kickboxing is the old school K-1, like Peter Aerts. I met him. He was there.
Jerome LeBanner, Ernesto Hoost.
Yeah, Ray Sifu and all those guys, and Semmy Schilt. The old school K-1, the classic ones where dudes were getting shut off left and right. Left and right. And this one was, because apparently they hadn't done the absolute heavyweight tournament that the eight-man won in a while. They'd been sticking to K-1 max, like lightweights and middleweights, and they're some bad motherfuckers.
So I don't pay attention to kickboxing at all, so I wouldn't even know what K-1 max was. I learned all the shit while I was there. And so they had an eight-man absolute tournament, all new guys. And dude, there was this fucking six-foot-eight Chinese dude, straight coming out with the CCP flag and everything, looking like Chinese, Ivan Drago.
What does he look like? I mean, what's his name? He fucked everybody up.
Really? He fucked everybody.
Pull up a video.
Dude, his name is like...
Say Lu... Something like that.
We'll find out.
Scary.
Not this guy.
That's him. That's him right there. Damn, that guy's huge. He's like 6'7", 6'8". Wow.
He fucked everybody up, dude.
Oh my God, look at the size of that guy.
With leg kicks. He got incredible footwork.
Look at the size of his fucking legs. Look at his quads.
Dude, he claims Wushu.
Oh, of course.
But it's kickboxing. Of course. He's doing kickboxing.
But that's a good move. If you're from China, claim Wushu.
Yeah. And he didn't show up to the press conference. It was a big mystery.
Oh, interesting.
And there was a guy from Italy, this guy. They call him the Grizzly Bear. He ended up fighting him in the finals. That guy, the Grizzly Bear, had insane power. Dude, he was fucking people up.
That's the Grizzly Bear. The Grizzly Bear's got the beard.
See if you can find a video of the actual fight, Jamie.
I love it. You know, I put a post up on Instagram the other day after the Rod Tank fight on 1FC. Because Matt Brown posted it. Like, how is Muay Thai not the biggest sport in the world? And you watch this insane fight they had on 1FC.
And I was like, I think that has the most untapped potential of all the combat sports. Because obviously, boxing is huge. MMA is huge. How the fuck is Muay Thai not huge?
Yeah.
It's so exciting. Yeah. And this one fight.
With MMA gloves, too.
With four-ounce gloves. Jamie, see if you could find that fight first. Hold on. What was it? I'm sorry.
It's on my Instagram. It's like two, three posts ago.
And it's this war that these guys had in Thailand. So they did a 1FC in Thailand. And they had here. Fucking, you got it here? I mean, so it's Rod Tank versus Superlek.
And it's a fucking war, dude. I mean, these guys are going. Give me some volume so you can hear this.
It just happened?
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, these are two of the very best Muay Thai fighters in the world. And they're fighting with these little, tiny MMA gloves on. Which is a wild move that 1FC is doing.
I mean, everybody who watches MMA. Look at that. Drops Rod Tank. That's crazy.
Incredible fight, dude. Just fucking incredible fight. These guys are cutting each other up with elbows, knees to the body. And they're two elite of the elite in Muay Thai. And they're going to war with the little gloves on, man.
I mean, it's a fucking wild-ass fight. Look, everybody loves stand-up. When you're watching MMA, sometimes when people clinch, people go, Oh, they want to see the crazy wars. These are the crazy wars all the time. That's the whole fight is crazy wars.
Like, how is that not big? I brought it up with Dana. And I said, dude, I know you guys are into the slap fight thing. But I think, like, the thing that's untapped is kickboxing. And he was like, ah, but nobody liked that, that PK karate.
I'm like, bro, that was the 1980s. That was literally, they used to call it the kick of the 80s. Remember?
Bad Brad Hepton. It just needs to be marketed different, because there's always been kickboxing. We've always had kickboxing. We had Glory. We had K-1 forever.
But it didn't ever reach the heights that it was capable of reaching. It could have with Glory. Glory was very, very high level.
So how could they do it to take it to the next level?
UFC machine. Put the UFC machine behind it. If they put the UFC promotion machine behind high-level kickboxing and got, just fucking, hey, we're going to sign the biggest fighters in the world. We're going to have UFC kickboxing. So here's this gigantic Chinese guy.
This is the final against the Grizzly Bear.
Look at the size of that Grizz. Oh, look at that. He's fucking his legs up. And this guy's 6'8"?
Yeah.
Oh, he's good. Oh, chopping those legs down.
I think he beat all three opponents with leg kicks. They couldn't take it. So they're trying to reboot it and start a whole new absolute K-1..
How do you say his name? I forget. L-I-U-C-E.
Luce.
Luce? Yeah.
Luce. I'm pretty sure. But what really, dude, I was so entertained. I was so into it. And I didn't know any of these guys.
You know, what did it? for me was the tournament. It's the tournament. First round, I didn't know any of these guys. That second round, I was like, I know these guys.
Shit, that guy's going to fight that guy. And then the final, boom, like, oh, shit, Grizzly Bear. I was so into it. I was commentating with Michael Chiavello. That guy is insane.
I love him. He's so good. And when I say insane, I mean he's insane. good. The Big Kaboosh.
Dude, he's so good. He is an encyclopedia of boxing. And MMA. And MMA. He knows fucking everything.
Everything. Dude, I was so impressed with him.
He used to be the guy for 1FC. I don't know what happened. It fell apart. He left 1FC.
Sometimes things happen.
Yeah, sometimes things happen. But he's a fucking man.
Yeah, he's so good, man. And that tournament.
He's a good dude, too.
Man, it got me into it. Like, I'll watch the next one. As long as it's in tournament form, that's the key, man. That's what got everybody into. the UFC is the tournaments.
And the UFC should hire Michael Chiavello and do a fucking Muay Thai card. Dana, I'll commentate. You heard me. I'll fucking commentate it. Let's go.
Is Dana a fan of kickboxing, though? Does he follow it?
Dana's a fan of whatever works. He's a fan of fights. He just thinks that, for whatever reason, that kickboxing never caught on in America. And I think it's because of that PKA karate shit that they have in the 1980s. But dudes were wearing fucking long pants.
They couldn't kick the legs. It's a different sport, man. And there were some great fighters that came out of that. Guys like Rick Rufus. But it's just a different sport.
If you look at the fights on 1FC and you look at the fights in the classic K-1 fights, my God, how is that not exciting? It's so exciting. And if they have a fight with the little gloves on, like K-1 does or like 1FC does, if Dana decided to get behind that, God, it would be huge. Muay Thai. UFC, Muay Thai.
Now, um...
Fuck yeah. Dana, I'll commentate.
Let's go. I'll promote it. Do you think tournaments are still possible? Because tournaments aren't possible in MMA because they say it's too brutal. But kickboxing is way more brutal.
Well, remember when we went to see Joe Schilling fight in L.A.? Yes. Last man standing. I think Joe fought three times that night, which is crazy, for a kickboxing fight. Yeah.
He fought, Artem Levin. Who else did he fight? God, I don't remember who he fought. I don't remember everybody he fought that night.
But God damn, that was a war.
That was crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah.
I remember meeting Gene Simmons there. Oh, yeah. And the first time I met him, I embarrassed myself. He told that story. Yeah, yeah.
So I was like, I'm going to be cool this time.
He probably didn't remember. Luckily, that guy's met a billion people.
Oh, dude. Come on, man.
You want a little cigar?
Sure.
Ron White gives me these. They're little baby cigars.
I'm not a big cigar guy.
They're basically like a cigarette. It's just like pure tobacco. No, you just puff on it.
Just take a little puff.
What do you think of bare knuckle?
I love it. I love what Jorge Masvidal's doing. The bare knuckle MMA fights? Yeah. I love it.
Because that's what I think MMA should have been all along. Why can you have bare elbows? Why can you have bare knees, bare shins? A shin to the face is okay. Yeah.
But you have to protect your knuckles. The only thing that does is prevent cuts. And one thing it also does is protect your hands. Because you can't really go off like you can. Like bare knuckle.
guys are more cautious about where they hit. Yeah. They're more precise. They have to be more precise. They break their hands.
I think on paper, bare knuckle is way better than traditional boxing. Can you imagine? If you did a poll and you asked what would you rather watch?
Floyd Mayweather versus Pacquiao 4, or whatever it is. Bare knuckle or regular boxing? I bet most people would say bare knuckle.
A lot of people that go over to bare knuckle are surprised at how little protection you have and how much it hurts. That's where Mike Perry fucking shines.
How's he doing right now? Killing it. He's killing it? Killing it.
Fucked up Luke Rockhold in his last fight. Made him quit. Knocked his teeth out. Luke's like enough.
Dude.
He's fucking everybody up because he's such an animal. If you're tough and there's not a tougher human being alive than Mike Perry. He's like uniquely suited for bare knuckle fighting. He's just such a fucking savage. He's willing to kill or be killed.
Legitimately. No fear. He goes in there, kill or be killed. And he's good man. He knows how to fight bare knuckle.
He's clever.
Who do you think that's currently in the UFC is probably going to end up doing great in bare knuckle?
That's a good question. Chris Camosi just fought. He just fought that dude, the juggernaut. who's the, I believe, the middleweight champion in bare knuckle UFC. And the juggernaut beat him.
The thing about it is man, it's different. It's just different. When you're just getting knuckles in your eyeballs and knuckles in your face. It fucking hurts more. It's more dangerous.
Yeah. It cuts you up way more.
You're losing teeth. You get hit with a knuckle right here. That tooth's gone, son.
Even with like the highest level mouth guards.
Helps a little, but really you'd probably need a crazy thick mouth guard. You probably need something different. But even then it's knuckles. You're getting that bone of a bony ass knuckle. And it's going right here.
It's going to fuck your teeth up man.
Now, K-1. they don't allow you to do the plum clinch and hold their head and throw multiple knees. You could only hold it like real quick. Right. What do you think about that?
I don't think that's the way to go. I think elbows.
One. they allow them to hold the clinch longer.
Yeah. One is Muay Thai. Like that fight. That was Muay Thai. They can clinch.
They can elbow. I want them to be able to use everything. All the tools. All the weapons. Why not?
And let them do it with those little gloves too. Yeah. You know, because the big gloves. The thing about the big gloves is, you can offer a shield. Like, if you ever watch Badr Hari fight.
He fights like this. So it's a shield. Right. You have this big 10 ounce glove. It covers.
It's cushioned. And you're fighting like this. Like in Alistair. When Alistair was fighting at K-1.. They all fought like this.
But you can't do that with those little gloves. Because the little gloves sneak around. And you can't do that even more so with bare knuckle. Because bare knuckle really sneaks around. There's no protection.
It'll just slide off the fist right into your face.
Exactly. And Mike Perry has developed a style where he holds his hands like real rigid like this.
Yeah.
It's different. Like he knows. He's adapted to bare knuckle. And he also has had several fights. So he knows what to expect.
So if you're Luke Rockhold and you're fighting Mike Perry. This is your first bare knuckle fight. You never fought bare knuckle, because you certainly aren't fucking training bare knuckle. Like you can train MMA with MMA gloves on. Right.
You can't really train bare knuckle. Right. You got to wear gloves. So that first experience of getting a knuckle in your eyeball and a knuckle on your nose. Where your nose gets just fucking splattered all over your face.
It's a different experience.
Yeah, man. And there's so many different sports now. Fighting sports. You know. There's so many.
There's bare knuckle. Regular boxing. Even regular collegiate wrestling is getting bigger. You know. That's getting bigger.
People are starting to watch. I'm watching. I never really watched wrestling. But now I'm watching. I didn't realize.
And I wrestled a couple years. And I didn't realize how fucking. How much it evolved. There's so much shit in wrestling, dude. There's so much shit.
It's like everything else.
Yeah.
It's like everything else. All these combat sports evolved. Yeah.
There's just so many different ways. two bodies that are clenched up and mangled up can go and do. It's so crazy.
It is crazy.
Yeah. I mean.
And they're so technical. now. Guys are so good.
Well, you know my favorite shit. Combat jiu-jitsu, man. I'm not doing. I'm not promoting combat jiu-jitsu because someone has a gun to my head. You know what I mean?
I'm putting it. I'm trying to create. Or just take what has worked. Like the 16-man tournament. That's the best shit.
16-man tournament. That was UFC, too. 16-man. That's why everybody got hooked to the UFC.
In combat jiu-jitsu, it's great.
Because the 16-man tournament is a super fight factory. It just makes the super. It's just a game. And you don't have to know any of the fighters. Nobody knew anybody from the UFC.
UFC, too. I didn't know anybody. It was a boxer, a kung-fu guy.
You see him win the first round. And then you go. You're excited now.
You just got to pay attention to the first round. And accept that you don't know these guys. And know that by the time you get to the finals, you're going to know these guys very well.
Could you imagine if somebody brought the UFC back? Old school. Like bare knuckle. Old school. You could wear a gi.
Do, whatever the fuck you want.
16-man tournament.
16-man tournament. No weight classes.
Remember the Russian one that was 32-man?
No.
Dude, there was a Russian one. And Igor Vovchanchin won that one. Of course. Remember that shit? I love that guy.
And he fought that huge Brazilian. They called him Ricardo Morais.
Ricardo Morais.
Remember that guy?
Carlson Gracie's guy.
Yeah, he's like 6'8". Giant. And he got to the finals against Igor Vovchanchin. And, to be honest, maybe the Brazilian one. It's hard to...
You know what? It wasn't, Igor Vovchanchin. It was a guy named Mikhail, something. God damn it. It was so long ago.
Igor Vovchanchin looked like he was supposed to be like 6'6". But they cut his arms off here. Yeah. And put a fist there. Yeah.
Like his forearms were so thick. Remember how thick that dude was? Yeah. He was so thick. And he would fuck people up.
His legs. Oak tree legs.
Who was that Brazilian guy that he knocked out cold?
Francisco Bueno. Yeah. Dude, that's probably still up there. Francisco Bueno.
Find that. Igor Vovchanchin versus Francisco Bueno. Yeah. It was ruthless. Igor was a monster.
And what Igor had, he was a kickboxer with power in his hands. He was vicious.
He was like 5'11". And 5'11 wide.
And everybody wanted to take him to the ground. Everybody. 5'8". 5'8"? Yeah.
Everybody wanted to take him. Jesus Christ. Everybody wanted to take him to the ground. Nobody wanted to stand with him. But the thing that Igor had was he didn't really have a wide array of offensive techniques with jiu-jitsu.
But he did have a good guard recovery. And he keeps you in full guard and survives. Look at that. Boom. Oh, my God.
Show that again.
Boom.
Boom, boom, boom, boom. He hit him three times while he was out cold. Left hook. Right hand on the chin. And then, as he's going down, bing.
Bing. Oh, my God.
Dude. Face planted.
Is this Igor when he was younger? Oh, my God. Bare knuckle.
That's the tournament. This is the one I'm talking about, I think.
Wow. That's how they should do it. No cage.
Back up.
Back up. See how they did that? That is my fucking dream. That's what they should do, man. That is how they should have MMA.
That's how we do combat jiu-jitsu. We don't do it under the cage.
That's how they should have MMA.
And you know that karate combat? I like that, too. It's kind of like, you know, no one wants to back up. You know what I mean?
Right.
Because they fall.
Igor Vovchanchin was a man.
And the thing about Igor Vovchanchin is, check this out. This was all, like, in the 2000 area. I'm a purple belt. And I'm commentating for King of the Cage, right?
That's when you get soccer kicked to the head, too. Pride Days. Yeah. Boom.
And I commentated Pride 10 and 11.. And I got to meet Mark Kerr, right? Mark Kerr, incredible. I mean, his story is incredible.
He wrestled in college at a high level. Was a specimen. He looked a little like fucking Miles Garrett. Mark Kerr, that was his nickname, the specimen. And the smashing machine.
Remember his story? Oh, yeah, man. That story was.
I had Kurt Angle on the podcast the other day. And Kurt was talking about how good Mark Kerr was as a wrestler.
Hell, yeah. And Mark Kerr told me, because I got to hang out with him at Pride 10.. And we were hanging out at McDonald's. And we were just fucking shooting the shit. And he said, he told me his whole story.
Wrestlers were telling him to do the UFC back in the late 90s. And he'd go, dude, look at Mark Coleman. Wrestlers go in there and they just fuck everybody up. You should do it. You should do it.
They were trying to talk him into it. I was like, dude, I'm not a fighter like that. And he just didn't have that violence.
He was so nice.
Super nice guy. And they twisted his arm and he was going to do a UFC. And then he backed out. He said, dude, it's just too frightening. So then he got offered to do an eight-man tournament in Brazil.
In the middle of nowhere. Before the internet or anything. So he said, you know what? I'm going to go try this thing in Brazil. And if I get fucked up, nobody's going to know about it.
And I'll just dip out. You know what I mean? And so he went down there and fucking destroyed. He ended up in the finals. It was bare knuckle.
Bare knuckle, Vale Tudo, MMA, old school, in a ring, no cage. And in the finals, he fought Fabio Jurgel. Was it Fabio Jurgel? It was Fabio Jurgel. I'm pretty sure it was him.
And, dude, he was just in his guard the whole time. Never tried to pass. He was just in his guard in the corner and just headbutting and throwing fucking bare knuckles. And he won. And the Brazilians just thought he was a monster.
They called him, like, the smashing machine in Portuguese, which is, like, maquina destroyer. Something like that. I don't know what it was. But, anyways, so he said, he goes, after the fight, my hands are all caught up. They're all fucked up.
They got infected. I went to the hospital. He said he was in the hospital. He got those.
Oh, yeah, you get teeth in your hands.
Yeah, he got all fucked up. He was in the hospital with, like, some kind of fucking sickness and shit. And then the promoter taxed him way more than he thought. He was like, I'll never do this again. This is the worst fucking experience of my life.
Even though he won. Even though he won, it was the worst experience of his life. He don't ever want to do it. He was in the hospital. They fucked him on cash and all that shit.
But then, when he got back, you know, the Internet was just, you'd have, like, little fucking news pages. Then he saw the magazine of him on the cover of a magazine looking like a destroyer, Brazilian magazine. And then that's what got him to jump in 100%.
Do you remember when he tapped Dan Bobish with a chin to the eye socket?
That was at the UFC? Yeah.
He got ahold of him. He got inside control. We played it the other day. He stuck his chin. You know he had that big ass chin.
He stuck his chin in Dan Bobish's eye socket and just fucking yanked his back of his head into his fucking eye socket. He tapped him with that. I'm like, how come no one's done that, since? That's a pretty wild move.
And I was telling him, this is what I tell all high-level wrestlers, even, like, low-level wrestlers. If you're a wrestler, you need to approach grappling, not in the sense where you want to beat jujitsu. Like, these guys can't take me down. You know, jujitsu guys can't take me down. I'll outbox them.
They can't box me. I'm like, okay, okay. But what about the guys that can box, like kickboxers? You're going to have to take them down, right? When you fight a kickboxer, you're going to have to take him down.
You're going to have to learn how to pass the guard. And I would tell him, dude, just get really good at passing the guard, holding side control, submissions from side control, mount. Have a death mount. You need a death mount. Arm bars, rear, naked chokes.
You got to get good at passing the guard, Mark. And he said, dude, it just takes too much energy, man. It takes too much. I'd rather just sit in the guard and just fucking pound. I'm like, there's going to be guys that are going to tie you up, and you're not going to be able to ground and pound.
You can't ground and pound everybody. Some people you can, but some guys have a good defensive guard. And a lot of wrestlers would say that, too. It wasn't just Marker. They didn't want to pass the guard.
They wanted to beat jujitsu. I'll just stay in the guard.
So Coleman always did.
Yeah.
He headbutted dudes, punched them in the head, in the guard.
Yeah. Yeah. And then he fights, Igor Vovchanchin.
He takes Igor Vovchanchin a couple times, two, three, maybe four times during that fight. But he can't pass his guard. And Igor Vovchanchin has a great chin. He's a kickboxer, so little ground and pound strikes aren't going to affect him that much. He's not going to freak out.
And he had a really good closed guard. And he would hold, and he would tie up. And then they would stand him up. And now he's got to take him down again. This is in Brazil.
This is Mark Kerr in Brazil, right here. Wow.
Step out to the championship final. This is the final. Is that Fabio Virgil? Who was Marcelo Garcia's instructor.
Let's see.
I'll show you. Stand up, it looks like. Just stay like this for the whole time.
Hmm.
Interesting. That's back when Pedro Hizzo. Yeah, that's Fabio. That's when Pedro Hizzo was fighting too.
And remember the Pedro too?
Yeah. Do you remember when Gary Goodrich reached into the Pedro's shorts and grabbed his balls and crushed him?
Yeah, yeah. You can grab balls. Can you find Igor Vovchanchin, Mark Kerr from Pride? And you'll see that he was able to take down Igor Vovchanchin relatively easy. But he couldn't pass his guard and couldn't finish him.
And he had to stand up with him. And then eventually, after a couple stand-ups, he was tired. And he couldn't take him down no more. And then, you know, strikers light up. They smell blood, you know what I mean?
Yeah. And then he, I think it was TKO. I'm not too sure what kind of strike it was that ended the fight. But it was a flurry. And that right there just shows, like, man, all the best grapplers, not all of them, but a large percentage of the best jiu-jitsu guys in the U.S.
are wrestlers that fell in love with jiu-jitsu and got really good at guard passing, taking backs, mounting.
Igor had fucking hammers for fists, man.
Yeah, there was no way he wanted to stand with Igor. No.
He did throw down a little bit.
Yeah.
That little short right hand.
And then, boom, he knocks him down here. Damn.
Yeah, I remember he hit him with like a big overhand right and knocked him down.
See, he keeps taking him down, but he can't finish him.
Igor's just tying him up.
Yeah, he's not attempting to pass his guard. He basically didn't like passing guard. He didn't want to develop any guard passing skills. He liked just staying in guard and throwing down. But look at how Igor just wraps him up.
And not only does he have a good guard and he's wrapping him up, but, like I said, he's a kickboxer. He's used to taking punishment. Like if he had like a wrestler like this or a jiu-jitsu guy, they're not. I mean, he did cut him up, but they're not going to.
But he's also tired. This was also during the Smashing Machine. And so this was when Mark was already going through his addictions too, man.
Damn, battle right here.
Oh, big right hand.
Big right hand. This is such a brutal fight.
Ooh. There it is.
Look at his traps, dude.
God. Damn. I talked to Ensign about fighting Igor, and he said it was like getting hit by a car. He was like getting hit by a car. over and over and over again.
He goes, it was just boom, boom.
This was back in the 10-minute round days, which I loved. I loved the 10-minute first round. I think the 10-minute first round was a genius idea, because how many guys, like, you know, they just fucking, look at Mark trying some sort of an ankle lock.
Dude, he almost had an Aoki right there.
But it's like how many guys would take a guy down at 4 minutes and 20 seconds, and then the round was over.
Can we see how it ended? The last flurry.
So, so many guys would,
in, you know, the UFC, you'd take a guy down in the first round, and, you know, you got no time to work, and you work so hard to get him to the ground, and then the next round starts, and you're standing up. Yep.
That happens a lot too.
What do you think about the idea of having, oh, he hit him with the knee to the head on the ground. Look at that knee, look at the sprawl on that knee. Boom! That's a serious fucking knee right there. What do you think about the idea of starting every round in the same position where you ended the last round?
I'm not opposed to that.
I'm not opposed to that at all. Like, I feel like you should earn your ability to stand up. That was it.
Oh, that was it right there. Can you rewind that one real quick? Let's see the final shots.
His knee's to the ground. Knee's on the ground. That's another thing that I believe in. I don't think you should be able to turtle. I don't think you should be able to turtle.
Yeah. And not get knee'd in the head. Yeah. Because that's a legitimate technique. If you can knee a guy standing up, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground?
Especially if he's in the turtle. If he's, like, just hanging on to something, hanging on to one knee, you got a knee free, and his head's right there. But that guy can take you down and beat the fuck out of you. Why can't you knee him in the head?
Can you do that in game bread? Do you know?
I don't think so. I think it's unified rules. It's just bare knuckle. I believe.
That's not unified rules, though. That sounds like they would. just, I mean. Bare knuckle, right. Yeah, that's like.
It seems like there is a controversy of some kind after. He was complaining in the hallway, and then they're showing some. I don't know what they're saying in the video, obviously, but. Yeah, he got hit in, like, the back of the head or something. What, the top of the head?
I'm not sure. Is that not legal? Did they have, like, what is the controversy? They had a hearing about it, it looks like. Interesting.
I could go closed caption and read it, but.
This is other parts of the thing, I think.
Interesting. And how about Mark Coleman in the heavyweight Grand Prix? He, I think he fought Igor Vovchanchin in the final.
Did he?
And I think he.
He fucked him up with knees.
From north-south. Yes. I think, Mark Coleman, Igor Vovchanchin, that was in the finals.
I think you're right.
Of the Grand Prix.
Now, I remember, he won the Grand Prix, right?
Mark Coleman did. Yeah. He was a champ.
Yeah, I think the knees to the ground, it's a no-brainer. That's a no-brainer. If you can knee a guy standing up, if you can punch a guy in the face, kick a guy in the face, why can't you knee to the head? You can knee to the body, but you can't knee to the head? It would end so many more fights.
So many more fights. How many times have a guy, a guy sprawls, and the guy's in a turtle, and it's a perfect position to throw the knee to the head, but you can't do it?
Yeah.
I think that should be legal. You know what they're going to bring back? Twelve to six elbows.
From where?
From standing in the guard, anywhere. Twelve to six elbows is illegal still, which is the dumbest thing in the world.
Are illegal.
Did I say legal? Illegal.
In the mount. Like if I'm mounted, you can't go like this.
You can't go 12-6,, which doesn't make any sense.
But from full guard you can. If I was on my back in full guard, you could.
You can, because it's going 6-12..
Yes.
Which is the dumbest shit of all time. But standing, you can't do it. So if you and I are standing and you rush at me and do that and hit me with a 12 to 6 elbow, that's illegal.
And they're going to change that?
They're going to change that.
Who's behind that?
Nowitzki talked to me about it.
And he's the...
He said, I know that this is something that you complain about all the time. We think we're going to be able to get rid of that. Oh, thank God. Yeah. It's the dumbest one.
Because it's not even a more powerful elbow.
Yeah.
It's just they saw... It all came from... Big. John McCarthy told me this. That in the early days of MMA, they would bring this to the athletic commissions, and they said, you can't do this because we've seen those karate tournaments where the guys break bricks like that.
And ice.
And ice. They're like, you can't break bricks. You could kill somebody if you do that. So they go, okay, no, elbow like that. Elbow has to come at an angle.
So it can come from 12 to 6, but it can go 1 to 7.. Which is the dumbest shit of all time. Meanwhile, the hardest elbow is not that. The hardest elbow is this one. This is the hardest elbow, in my opinion, I believe.
At least as far as I can throw it.
Because you're throwing it like... Like a punch. Yeah.
And I'm getting my weight into it. If I'm in a ground-and-pound position, like I've done ground-and-pound work. when you get a heavy bag down, and I'm trying to see what I can hit the hardest with. You can hit hard like that, but I can hit really hard like that. Bucket, boom!
It's so much more torque. You've got all this snap. And it's also a natural movement where your body has developed that sort of explosiveness doing that. It does it all the time. This is unnatural, I think.
I mean, you could develop it. But it's just a better option to have. You want to be able to have that option, to throw that. Because if guys are doing this, and you can go straight down the middle with an elbow, fucking, you should be able to do it.
Yeah. I mean, I like what Chaudhry's doing, with one. Allowing, you know, knees on the ground. Got to allow that.
Soccer kicks.
I think there was, I'm not sure, I think maybe they, like you, can't stomp on their head anymore.
I think, like, if you're in a cage and the back of your head is...
This is from 2021, when they made rules. Okay. Okay. Grounded. Athletes are considered grounded when they have any weight bearing part of their body other than the sole...
What is this? from? What rules? This is from Colorado, approving the rules for championship.
Colorado.
For one. Okay. This is just for Colorado, though. All hand strikes, including punches, forearms, and elbows to the head, body, and all elbows. Interesting.
So that means Colorado said 12 to 6 elbows legal? So that's where I got this from. There was an article from this year that said, when they were doing the data review for finding out if they were going to allow knees to the head of a grounded opponent, the 12 to 6 elbow data was in there. Look, it says kneeing to the head of a grounded opponent is legal. This is Colorado?
Wow.
Why can't the UFC do that? Go back to that, please.
Okay.
I want to see what else it says.
Up kicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal. Huh? You can't up kick to the head. Up kick to the head, body, and legs of a non-grounded opponent are legal. Okay.
So you still can't up kick to a grounded opponent, which means...
But that second to the last one, it says up kicks to the body and legs to a ground... How are you going to up kick a grounded opponent?
To the body and the head.
No, but up kicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal. How do you up kick a grounded opponent? If you're on your back.
If you're on your back and the guy's on top of you and he's got his knees on the ground, he's grounded. You can up kick him in the chest. You can up kick him in the chest. So the body and the legs. But up kicks to the head, body, and legs of a non-grounded opponent are legal.
If they're standing. Right.
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