#2164 - Action Bronson

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All day!

Moment. Damn.

What a day.

I mean, it's a joy to spend time with you.

We had a good fucking time today. We had a good time today. Got a nice workout in. Went to some Egyptian barbecue. Oof.

KG barbecue, yeah.

I'd seen YouTube videos about him. What an interesting story. Dude's living in Cairo. He's a banker.

It always starts off like that. Like I told you, there's like architect, this, that. They always have these dreams of culinary... I don't know. I don't know what the fuck to even call it, but...

That is a thing, right? People always want to do a thing that they're not doing.

I like hard labor.

Really?

I do. Because I do a lot of like fun... Everyone thinks that my job is fun. And it is. There's no doubt.

We got you in a sauna. We got you in a cold plunge. Got you a Lucy.

Let me tell you something.

Well, the second time was easier, though, right? Because you're coming out of the cold. A little easier. I think we did another 10 after the cold. Just to bring you back to base.

I was standing there in the towel for 30 minutes. Just the towel. No socks on. No, nothing. Just standing there looking like, man.

It is really all battling with this part of your brain that says, get out now. That's all it is. And you have to learn how to conquer that part of your brain. You don't ever really conquer it. You just silence it.

Yeah, it was too much. Yeah.

But a lot of it is your mind. It's not really the reaction that your body has to it. The reaction that your body has is really only like a mild discomfort. It's your brain freaking you out. You've got to get out now.

Yeah. At 55 seconds, I was ready to fucking jump out. There was nothing left in me.

Yeah.

But that was a good start, I think. I think that was the start to a lot.

Yeah.

I need to take care of myself, Joe. Well, you have in the past.

You have in the past. You made a big jump when you had one of your babies, one of your kids. You just decided, I am going to get fit now. And you lost a ton of weight. You lost a ton of weight.

I was drenched. Drenched during the fucking stretch.

Just during the warmup stretch.

I was fucking. It was harder than anything for me. Sometimes the stretching and putting yourself in those like. That's crazy for me.

Well, John targets unique area. Like. he's big on hip strength and hip flexibility. So he has you doing all these hip exercises with your legs up near, in circles and all this stuff. And you're like, whoa, I never do anything like this.

I haven't done it since him. I need to get back on that, because those are the types of things that. I want to work with a core specialist like him. I need the core work.

Right.

Yeah, you see, we got the pushing and this and that.

You're very strong.

That stuff is kind of easy for us, like the pushing and shit. But for me, I need more core work. Right. I need to stabilize this midsection. Have you done yoga?

Yoga, out of all those things, like keeping your body balanced and having strength and flexibility, yoga is the king.

I can't stay on that kick. I don't know. I need some animal shit. Yeah. I also need.

Animal shit makes you feel better, right?

It does. It makes me feel more manly.

I see when you like swinging that mace.

Oh, man, I feel like such a fucking barbarian. It's a 60 pound hammer, for fuck's sake, wrapped in leather.

Yeah.

That feels fucking sick to manhandle that.

Yeah, those are so hard to move around. Like we were talking today about those clubs. The club I use is only 20 pounds, which doesn't seem like a lot of weight. But when you've got it out in front of you and doing these things, it's fucking hard to do.

Stabilizing 20 pounds is still stabilizing 20 pounds. And you need those front. That move that you were doing, that's bulletproofing all those little muscles around your shoulder area and your lat and everything.

Yeah, I was telling you, too, it's really good for archery. Because a lot of it is extending your arm straight out. When you're doing a shield cast, you're going around your head and you're extending your arm out. It's such a weird way to move your muscles that when you're doing it, you're like, whoa, why don't I do this more often? Why am I bad at this?

That seems stupid. Like when I do those little things, it's humbling. You feel like such a bitch.

15 pounds.

What are we doing here? They laugh. I laugh at myself. I look like an idiot. But those are the types of things I need to warm up, to be able to push some heavy shit.

Well, it's just like also just to balance out your body. We were talking about that Ben Patrick, gentleman who created that knees over toes, stuff. And we were doing the Nordic curls today. And I was saying, like when I first did that, I couldn't even do one. I couldn't do one.

It's a lot of pressure on the knee.

It just felt weird. Like why am I so weak this way? It's like I would have thought that I would be able to lift myself up easy, just like I can lift myself up with my abs if I'm sitting down. I thought this is not going to be hard.

I thought I was going to do it easily too. It's so hard. And then, when I got into the apparatus, I realized that I'm a fucking, I'm very weak in that area.

Yeah, that's like what Ben Patrick talks about is strengthening all of these areas. It's not a sexy exercise to do like tip raises. You know, you got weight on your foot and you're raising your toes up towards your knees.

But let's be honest, if you're a real motherfucker, you know that that's what makes the leg look good. That's what makes the leg look strong. is that tip.

Big, thick muscles down there.

When you flex your toe up and that thing pops out in the front of the shin, that looks fire.

It does.

That's like some flex. That's like some muscular development. That's all I wanted was that tip work.

Yeah, there's something super impressive about dudes with big ass calves.

Natural ones too. Like you can't get them to a diamond. if they weren't a diamond in the beginning. They'll get nice, but they'll never be naturally diamond.

Right, right, right.

You know, when you see, like my boy, Mikey Spears, he works out. He's, you know, he's in decent shape. now. He's got himself together with my fucking Lord, this calf. The calf on this fucking kid is unbelievable.

Yeah. Mark Hunt, who used to fight in the UFC, he has calves like shoulders, like two shoulders, like your whole body.

That's a different species of human being, those Samoans.

Oh, my God. Mark Hunt, he was one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever do it. You ever watch him in K-1, back in the kickboxing? Of course. That dude won the K-1 Grand Prix.

Pretty nuts.

That is an accomplishment over everything else. in stand-up combat sports. Other than like MMA championships, K-1 Grand Prix was like Alistair Overeem won that. You think about the guys that are fighting back, like Peter Erst, Ernesto Hoost, Mr. Perfect.

He won the match?

He knocked the dude out. Of course. It was a fight where he was like, Mark Hunt has this big name, this guy's this undefeated up-and-coming boxer, and he's really young. And Mark Hunt's like 40-something.

He's 50.

Bro, you gotta see this fight. It's crazy. Damn. This is how good Mark Hunt is.

And that was recent. Recent. Yeah, because I saw him talking about it. Within a year. Yeah.

Within a year or so, right, Jamie? Something like that? January, is that sound right? I think that's it. So, yeah.

Feed you to the wolves.

UFC is like, this is a wolf farm. All right, if you're not a wolf, we don't build you into a wolf. Like, tell me when you're ready to be a wolf. You know, like, you could get a guy like John Jones, right off the bat, you know, 21 years old, just smoking people. Like, that's your first fight in the UFC.

I watched that first fight while I was working in the kitchen on Spike TV. I watched from the debut of John Jones. Yeah. Till now.

Yeah, man, if you run into a special talent like that, you know, John's the youngest ever UFC champion. That's right. And he beat a legend, Mauricio Shogun Hua, in Jersey.

Demolished him.

And, by the way, captured a burglar the day of the fight.

That day? Yeah.

That day. Chased some dude down to, like, I think, snatch some lady's purse or something. Tackled a dude. Yeah, so we'll get to that. But this is Mark Hunt.

Hey, looks good.

And this young kid is like this. Oh, look at that. Bro, that right hand. Come on, son.

A lot of my boys are from New Zealand, and they used to tell me their stories of Mark Hunt being a fucking menace on K Road.

Oh, bro.

The menace of K Road, Mark Hunt.

Can you imagine getting in a street fight with Mark Hunt? No, man. Are you fucking kidding me?

Definitely not. You, just—my bad, guy.

Bro, he ate a Merco Cro Cop head kick. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen.

Was it left or right?

Left. Left, high kick. Nobody eats a Merco Cro Cop head kick. It was back when Merco was allowed to wear shoes. So this is the pride days.

You kicked him in the face with shoes?

Kicked him in the face with wrestling shoes on, son.

Yeah, he's massive.

Look at that fucking high kick. He eats it. He ate a couple of them, dude. He ate one square on the noggin.

Mark Hunt looks fast, too. The transitions to the knee are nice.

Yeah. He's fast. Mark Hunt always carried around a lot of body fat, but he moved very well. And he has, like, lethal combinations. Like, his combinations are very complex.

Look at that. Like David Tua.

And his legs are massive, bro. Look at that. His legs are massive. And he just had, not just an iron chin, but, like, a warrior's mentality. Oh, he got dropped here.

Oh, he ate that one.

Bro, on the chin. Gets up, though. Oh. This is what's crazy. That's the difference between K-1 and MMA, right?

I'm laughing. Look at that. He's like, fuck it.

Bro, he got clean caught. Clean, caught by one of the, and he got hit again, by one of the most dangerous strikers of all time. But you know who put him out, which is even crazy? Melvin Manhoef. Mm.

Boom. Oh, man.

I mean, dropped Mark Hunt and put him out. Like, who the fuck does that?

He has kryptonite in that fucking hand. Look at that.

Bro, he's so fast.

Going backwards. Boom, boom. Oh.

See if you can find a Melvin Manhoef highlight reel. Oh, my lord. This dude, man, this dude, was, like, a demon. He would come at you. First of all, super skillful.

He lives within the zone.

Yeah. He's in that danger zone. And he drags everybody into that. And you might get him. Joe Schilling got him.

Robbie Lawler's the next level, man. He's such a gentle, like, when you meet him. also, he's very sweet. He's just like, yo, how are you, man?

Did you hear what happened during the Free Palestine marches in New York City? Did you hear what happened? So there was a bus, and the bus was filled with UFC fighters, and there was the Free Palestine thing. that was going on.

What, they stopped the street?

And apparently the bus was trying to make it through before they closed everything off, and the bus didn't. So then they got in front of the bus, and then they started slashing the tires. The bus was filled with Robbie Lawler and a bunch of other killers.

Oh, my God.

And everybody's like, should we go out with the bus? And Robbie goes, everybody? conserve your energy, because we're probably going to need it.

Just calm. Just like a seal.

It's like we have to fight these people. You're going to need your energy. So Robbie Lawler's like just sitting there, like he's ready to go to a championship fight.

Just conserving all his energy. Getting an arrow ready.

He was just telling everybody, just conserve your energy. Like, can you imagine if those fucking knuckleheads opened up that door? So this is the Melvin Manhoef, Robbie Lawler fight. So Melvin is just chopping at Robbie. I mean, look at that.

That's what I was throwing at the bag today. Those big overhand rights.

I mean, eyes wide, open, out cold.

Why do you breathe like that when you're knocked out?

Well, you're almost dead.

Okay.

You know, you're almost dead.

Makes sense. Makes sense.

Yeah, you're getting knocked unconscious. Like someone can then kill you. Like, you know, it's like they've already put you away. Now you're at their mercy. And if someone's just at your mercy.

But you've seen them doing this before, and twitching. But like those deep, crazy breaths with the eyes open, is fucking scary.

It's scary.

That shit's scary.

Those kind of knockouts are fucking terrifying. And how many of them can your body endure? And at what age? These are the real questions. Like, maybe you can bounce back from one when you're 18..

Those who take beatings for five rounds, they must get micro, whatever this means, micro concussions.

There's no micro about it.

That's what I'm saying. They're getting concussed every fucking time.

Most likely. How do you recover like that? They get dropped. Well, first of all, they're in insane shape. Like every guy who gets to a five-round championship level.

Yeah, sure, I did.

But you got to be in bonkers shape to put that pace on a person for three rounds.

It's unbelievable.

Strickland, just stays on you, just stays on you.

Stays in the gym. That's why. He doesn't fight. All he does is fight.

All he does is spar. He's just constantly sparring.

That's the only way you get that cardio, correct?

I don't know, man, but he has it different than anybody else. He has it different than anybody. Other than Drikus, man, because Drikus, as big as that, as swole as that motherfucker is, that guy's got cardio.

He does.

Especially now that he's got his nose fixed.

Yeah, the first couple of fights he looked like he was gassing, but then he had that nose situation, and he looks like a brand new man.

Brand new man. Dude, the nose thing, ladies and gentlemen.

Did you have him beating Sean? No. He was fucking very sure.

No, I thought Sean won. I thought Sean won by like a round. But I didn't hate it. It wasn't like the worst decision I've ever seen, but it wasn't. Like if you're going to beat the champion, you know, that's always a thing.

230, 225. he probably walks.

Big, thick fucker. But he does it, just like Alex Pahetta did it. Like there's guys that are willing to like, really, really torture themselves.

Recently, I was in the airport. I was leaving Chito's fight in Miami when he fought Sean O'Malley. And fucking. I seen Alex Pahetta and Paulinho Cruz there. Paulinho is fucking massive, first off.

Alex is built different. Holy shit. He's built different, and his mind's different, too.

But when you see him out and he's dressed, he's wearing the tight-ass pants. It's like some Jean-Claude Van Damme shit.

He's looking good. He's a champ. He's the champ.

He's the champ. Two-division champ.

Bro, two-division champ in just a handful of fights in the UFC.

Instant Hall of Famer in my mind.

Instant Hall of Famer.

It's unbelievable.

And, you know, he's just different than everybody else in that he's such a specialist. He's not taking nobody down. Like you never have to worry about him trying to take you down. He's not even interested. He's such a specialist.

Was he at his peak, or is he peaking now?

Oh, I think he's peaking now as a fighter. But when he was his peak as a kickboxer, he was putting people into orbit. Pull up, Alex Pahetta versus Jason Willness.

That left hook is out of control.

Bro, everything's out of control. It's scary. The power is just so extraordinary.

It's the torque, man. It's that body style. He's just thick and fucking huge. Bastard.

Yeah, so Jason Willness, who's also a legit world champion, one of the best kickboxers in the world. And Pahetta and him had fought early. I know, dude.

He literally looks like fucking Sagat.

He looks like he's born to do this. Like he's born to do this. But he's such a menace because his style is different than anybody you're going to get to imitate in the gym. It's very awkward. You wouldn't teach that style.

But the way he's holding his hands out like this, everything's strange.

But it's so effective. And it's just the power is just extraordinary. Even when you block things, like Jason Willness, he's going to block a high kick. And even though he blocks the high kick, he still gets dropped on his ass. But you've got to see the KO.

The velocity you get on that fucking length of leg.

Yeah. And the intensity, dude.

That's what I'm saying. Coming from playing football, my coach would always say, look at him legs. Look at that ass. Yes.

You need to look at how high his fucking ass is. Watch this.

Oh, my God.

Yo, that scissor knee is fucking insanity.

He has like a runner's body. Like his ass is up fucking halfway up his back. Yeah. So he's got his leg like that. It's like a deer.

Well, he's a legit Amazon tribesman. Nice. His people are like legit Amazon warriors. That guy, that's probably how the great warriors of 500 years ago all looked. They're probably all looking like that guy.

He's a gentleman.

He's a really fucking nice guy.

He seemed like a really nice guy. He was sweet.

Well, that's why he gets mad when, like, you know, when Jamal Hill brought out the Stonehenge statue.

I mean, he knocks after fucking Jamal, who I like a lot, fucking checked his nuts. Like, Herb, chill for one second. Yeah. And then he threw that left hook at him. Oh, my God.

There's a little bit of a complication with that, because Jamal stops and pauses, and when he stops and pauses, Alex hops in twice, and he closes the distance. And so when they restart, it was a little complicated because what happened was—.

Should Herb back off then, or he should stop it?

Look, I'm not a referee, and I think Herb's the best in the business, so I'm not going to, like, correct him in any way ever. But what I think was going on in Jamal's mind is Jamal kicks him in the nuts accidentally. Herb says stop. Herb says stop, and then Alex puts his hand on Herb and hops in. And then they restart.

Jamal's out of position.

From Jamal's perspective, Jamal stiffened his legs up. He relaxed. He said, sorry. And then he goes like this, you good? And then Alex has his hand on, the guy's forearm, moves in, and they reengage.

Right there.

You can't take but one. You can't take but one. It's just crazy power. And, you know, there's guys that have been gone. Like Bruno Silva went three rounds with him.

I think it was so shockingly spectacular.

Look at his legs. Relax. His legs stiffened up.

And he closes the distance.

But he's already closed the distance.

Already stepping into it.

Because Herb has said stop. So let's watch it again.

That first initial bunny hop within.

So watch this. There's the nut shot. And so he goes, sorry. He completely stiffens up, stands up straight, lets him close the distance. See?

And that one little step in changed the whole game.

Exactly. And in Jamal's eyes, he had gotten a feeling of the dude's rhythm, and where the danger was right there. Yep. But see how he's already closed the distance.

Oh, yeah, he's already in.

He's already there. Yeah, it's just.

Okay.

It's the thing.

I didn't actually realize that until just now.

It doesn't mean Pejeta couldn't have caught him like that at any moment in the fight. Because he 100% can catch anybody alive at any moment in the fight with that guy. Bang! And then you're in deep shit. But in that instance, Jamal Hill actually has a point.

Separate them and then bring them, right?

Yeah, I think. But it's one of those things where it's like, okay, you guys are okay? You're both okay? All right, go ahead and fight. Which makes sense, too.

It was a tough spot.

With Jamal's mind, all of a sudden, the focus is gone. There's a confusion. Are we fighting? We're not fighting. We're going back?

You know? For sure. You could see that.

He says, I'm sorry. I kicked you in the nuts. You're good. Gives you a thumbs up. Gentlemen, stand straight up.

That shit's dangerous right there. That's a dangerous profession. Let me ask you this. Do these refs make any money? Is Herb Dean rich?

I do not know. I have never asked.

Are these dudes making any type of money? Because they got a lot of fucking pressure on them.

They have a lot of pressure on them.

They have a lot of pressure on them. Yeah. They also don't have to really like answer for themselves also.

But sometimes they do answer for themselves. Like if there's a question or like questionable call.

If it's something really like egregious.

Yeah. There was one this weekend. Jared Cannoneer and Nasser Dean Imamov. Yeah. And the fight was stopped.

It happens. Don't you get flash knocked out and then you recover as you're, as he's breaking it up. You understand what's happening. You're like, no, no, no.

And in his mind, he might have thought that Jared had gotten to the point of helplessness. And he was going to separate and Jared was going to crumble. Which could happen. He could have just crumbled. Could have just fell apart.

Some tough ones out there.

It's part of fighting, because guys have moments in a fight where they turn on the gas. And then sometimes the guys come back from that. For sure. Like, I'm sure you've seen Mickey Ward and Arturo Gatti.

Many, many times.

Perfect example.

Those fights are crazy, man.

Mickey Ward is putting it on, Arturo Gatti. Just putting it on him. Drops him with a liver shot.

Who always took fucking damage. Yes. He got battered a lot.

They both did. Yeah. And in those fights, oh, my God. Legendary fights. Oh, my God.

But then there wouldn't be these legendary fucking fights.

Right. But then there's the other.

Yeah, obviously now, you know, I'm sure Mickey doesn't speak well.

I don't know. I talked to him once. Said hi to him once.

But does he, like, drool? Like, not drool, but, you know, like, he has, like, a draw.

But some guys definitely do. Of course. Some guys get it real, like, you know, some guys get it. Like, Joe Frazier in the end had it so bad.

Evander got it.

Does he have it now?

He doesn't sound like he's all there. How his body might be there, but it doesn't seem like his speech is there. How can you be?

You know, how can you keep getting repeatedly punched in the head, you know, and not have it damage your head, you know? If you drink whiskey every day, you're going to get a fucked up liver.

For me, I like to protect this bod of mine. I just want to, you know, I want to make it more healthy. That's what I really want to do.

I have friends that spar, and they really like sparring. And I'm like, you're a professional.

Like, just regular dudes, that like some Fight Club? Yeah. You just want to get a little adrenaline?

Yeah. But they're sparring, and they're 46.. They're getting punched in the face. Like, what are you doing? Don't do that.

Sometimes it takes a while to get those chops.

It'll take a long time if you start, if you're 46.

It takes a minute.

You have to be a weird athlete to get really good at striking at 46.

I feel like that could be me.

You were saying that.

Even though it's like, fuck a celebrity. Just a grappling.

As long as there's no heel hooks.

No heel hooks. This is not jujitsu. This is grappling. I want to do collegiate style and mix with Roman Greco. Do you really?

Do you?

Yeah, every day.

Do you ever take jujitsu classes?

I did a couple of times, but I've been offered to go where my son goes, but I don't know, man. Get in there. Yeah.

Get in there.

I only want to learn. top pressure. That's it? I'm never going to be on the fucking bottom, dog. Fuck that.

But what are you going to do to get on top? You've got to learn how to get off the bottom. at least. That's the hardest thing to do.

If someone's laying on me, it fucking sucks.

It's very difficult.

It's hard. But you're going to have to learn how to get out. Are you allowed to pinch?

No. A dude recently bit a dude in the UFC. I saw that. And so the dude got a tattoo of the guy's bite on his arm, which is hilarious.

That's a fucking deep bite. Ooh, deep. That was in this spot here. That thin skin. He could have broke fucking skin and it could have bled bad.

Oh, it's real dangerous.

That's disgusting.

Like teeth, like people's mouths are so nasty.

It's the worst shit in the world.

We give people awful infections.

I got fucking bit bonus. Oh, yeah, they gave him the bonus, right? Because he got bit.

Well, they disqualified the guy he was fighting, and he got the win bonus.

It was a decent fight. He was definitely winning, though. Yes. Nemo?

I think the dude was trying to take him down, and he couldn't take him down, and he bit his arm from behind, which is fucking so animal. That's so crazy that people get to that state where they're like, ah, fucking, just fucking, ah. Like Tyson and Holyfield.

That's what I'm saying. When you're frustrated, you get put in a position, you can't get out.

Damn, look at that bite, too. That's a crazy bite.

Was he wearing a fucking mouth guard or did he throw it out of his mouth? What the fuck is that?

That looks like a baby piranha. Yeah. Oh, you know what it is? It's a mouth guard, probably on one side, but not on the other.

So, wait, you just wear one piece?

A lot of guys, yeah. You don't do the double? No, I don't think anybody uses the double.

That shock guard that we used to wear in football?

Yeah, I think the problem with that is it restricts your breathing too much. Ah, yeah, true. So most guys just wear one on the top. There were some boxers back in the day that would wear the double. It would be crazy.

Break your nose, it's over. How are you going to fucking breathe if you break your nose in that big-ass football mouth guard?

Yeah, that mouth guard sucks. I don't think you could do that. It's like, have you ever done one of those breath trainers where you breathe through? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the Boss Rutan one?

It's pretty much what they give you after surgery, where they put the fuck in the ball, you have to keep the ball in the middle. And he made a thing?

Boss Rutan did.

He made a waist trainer? Not a waist trainer, a fucking breath trainer?

Yes, Boss Rutan did, yeah. It's really good. It's got a bunch of different filters. So you have one where it's wide open. Yeah, like there's different levels of lung restriction.

I mean, the world is incredible.

Yeah.

Just keep like all these little micro workouts for fucking organs and muscles. I love this.

I love this.

I love to learn about these things. I'm going to order one. Does he have them ready? Are they available?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is it called? What's Boss's mouth therapy?

I love fucking Boss Rutan.

He's the man. Bro.

Those early videos of him showing you how to fucking win a bar fight? Yeah. Incredible. Those things are things of legend.

And he's another guy. If you met him, you would have no idea. You would think he's the nicest. What does he do? Is he a banker?

You wear that running?

No, no, no. Or just whatever. You just do it for breathing exercises. They have like outlines of, like different ways to do it. Boss has videos that he's put out there.

You look ridiculous, but I'm sure it works.

Yeah. There he is. Boss and me talking about it. It's real. I use it.

I could attest.

Things get whack.

You lose your breath immediately, man. I fucking could not handle that.

Yeah, if you have that thing in your mouth too.

You feel like you're getting choked.

Super ultra freak out.

Yeah. I mean, you use all these different fucking, these different things that people invent. I think, by the way, I feel like an asshole sometimes when I come on here. Terrence Howard. I don't even know what to say.

I kind of understand it.

I understand it. I understand.

I mean, it made sense.

To me, he's making me believe.

He's way too smart to just be making everything up. Like, there's no way he's a lunatic. You can't just come up on that. I'm like, I don't think that's correct. He knows too much.

No, you're not.

But if you're talking to a mathematician or if you're talking to a physicist, someone who actually can understand what these computations mean and what he's trying to say about 1 plus 1, or 1 multiplied by 1 can't be 1.

Like, no mathematics. Everything is bullshit. I believe that. I wasn't good in algebra. I see it more in a linear way.

Well, I would imagine that there's probably more to all these things.

Those fucking toys. he made? The figures?

Even our mathematics. As brilliant as the people are who have created all the formulas that everyone's studying. I would imagine that in the future they're going to have even better methods of figuring things out. And that all these things are going to evolve. That they're not perfect.

This is from the Iron Man guy? What? He was in Boomerang back in the day with Eddie Murphy. In fucking Sunset Park. He was Spaceman.

Yeah. He's a great actor. But it's just because he's so smart. And then he's talking about how the periodic table's all fucked up. And this is what some people are like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

I understand about, because of music, I understand the way, I feel what he's saying. Yeah. Like, stop trying to uncover shit. All these little micro, fucking bullshits.

What do you mean?

Like I said, I'm a fucking idiot. I'm trying to regurgitate what I heard. Like, as far as all the elements. The elements in between.

Yeah.

Like, why are they there? When they're just, you know what I'm talking about?

You and I would never explain this in a way that's not hugely frustrating to anybody who really knows it.

I can't even remember what I'm trying to say. But you know.

Yeah. The way he was explaining how everything's connected. Exactly. Yeah. And the entire, the whole scale of it.

That's fire.

Oh, Jamie.

That's dope art.

I need to know if this is true. I'm gonna send you this, but it's so cool that I, I hoped and prayed that it was true and I didn't even want to Google it. But it's that they took these photons. I was trying to find that. Did you see it?

And it revealed the yin yang?

That's what it looks like. It's quantum entangled photons.

Aren't photons from light? From sun?

Yeah, but this is the thing. Quantum yin yang shows two photons being entangled in real time. So it's true. That's crazy. This experiment, which reconstructs the properties of entangled protons from a 2D interface pattern, could be used to design faster quantum computers.

What does quantumly entangled mean?

That's a very good question that I can say, and it makes me sound smarter. Quantumly entangled. But is, I mean. I couldn't write that down without googling it. Exactly.

The quantum entanglement, is it a mixture of these photons together?

Well, I think what it is, is these particles are entangled in some way where they don't have to be in the same place and time, but they react to each other. There's some method or some way of understanding how this is done. It's all squirrely, yellow, legal pad chalkboard with a bunch of squiggles that you don't understand. Bananas talk. Who the fuck are these people?

Well, why are they depicted in different shades and different colors?

First of all, I don't trust these super dorks at all. Look at the photos of those people.

Yeah, I don't know, man. They're pretty young.

Yeah, they're all too smart. I don't trust them. They're big and gibberish.

I need to see some old guys.

Look at this. Scientists have used a first-of-its-kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin-yang symbol. The new method, called bifoton digital holography, uses an ultra-high precision camera and can be used to massively speed up future quantum measurements.

Well, then it's all bullshit. It's not real time. It's not real. What do you mean? It's like the AI shit.

I don't know if they did.

You don't think so?

No. I think whatever the light is on the right, there's a different technique of measuring it. What was the one on the right? How did they do that? Heat?

Demolished. I'm a total moron.

No, I think there's just two different ways of imaging it.

Yeah, but who came up with all this motherfucking shit, holography? Like, what the fuck is that? Where did this come from now?

Scientist dudes and gals and non-binary folk. What is the actual definition of yin-yang, Jamie? Like, what does it exactly mean? I know it's to be balanced. I knew, like, back when I was in high school, all the cool kids got yin-yang tattoos.

I want one now. Now I want one. Now. I'm thinking about getting one.

Because of the quantum thing, but it became a corny thing. Like, a yin-yang became corny.

When I was young, it was, like, tribal. Now I want tribal or barbed wire around the bicep.

Yeah, like old days.

Like Pam Anderson.

A lot of wrestlers had it. Okay, so what does this mean?

Buff Bagwell.

There's no idea. The meanings are popping up. I don't know about specific definition, because you've got to define the yin-yang. Well, just Google that right there. People also ask.

I can't just tell you.

Can't you just tell me, bitch? Write it down. So what does it mean? I mean, you have to describe both, and then you have to describe them both together. It's like describing what is light and what is dark.

It's a philosophy. It's an open-ended philosophy.

This is one of the things that freaks me out about the current state of the world, is that we're at odds with China. Why? And China has been around forever. They are so much more established. They've been around for 4,000 years, man.

So many dynasties.

They've been thriving economically for 4,000 years. They invented everything. China invented paper. They invented alcohol. They invented the mechanical clock.

I mean, bro, when I fucking order my clothes to sell, I get it from there. They do it much fucking better and cheaper than here.

You can buy good American stuff.

Nah, but it's not the same. When you outsource, hey, listen, I like America. But if you want to get it done right, you go to China.

That's so ridiculous.

That is a crazy thing to say.

But it is fucked up that somewhere we lost our way, and we decided that it would be better for some people over here to get things paid for in a cheap manner, get cheap labor from a country where they let people work for almost nothing, and buy your shit from them, and then sell it over here. But it's just short math. Because everybody's like, hey, hey, hey, do you know what the fuck the trickle down of that is? How about we just make less money, or we don't look at it in terms of like. you're never going to end, it's never going to stop growing.

People are fucking sick of that. It's so short-sighted. It's all money, money, money, money, money, money, money.

You ever see, Roger and Me?

Mm-mm.