How the government weaponized the pharmacist

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How many pharmacists refused to fill doctor's orders and they really stepped in over their lane, as well as the FDA, the NIH, the CDC, these are all bodies of government that have a specific function. And for the first time we have CDC, who's the investigative body, talking about the benefits of vaccination, right? Like, that's not even the role, guys. And then also too, another topic of interest that we've heard from so many of you listeners is bio-identical hormone replacement. And that is for men and women.

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Thank you so much for being here today.

Speaking of warriors, thank you for doing what you do, not just this show, but speaking out as a nurse and blowing the whistle. I know we know from doing this, from going against the narrative for decades, actually, that it can be very, very difficult. So thank you for what you're doing, Jodi.

And I don't know if my adrenal glands would have been able to last for decades, but yeah, let's talk about that.

And shortly after that, after we'd been in practice for about four years, Jan and I had both practiced for about five or so years, before we even owned a pharmacy. But we just started to recognize that the system wasn't working to make people healthier.

You know, Jan tells a story in my book, and you mentioned my book, Sickened, how the government ruined healthcare and how to fix it. And I actually wrote that book back in 2018.. It came out in 2019, so before COVID. So we've been on to this for a while. You know, one of the things I used to, the analogy I used to use, is that we started questioning a lot of drug therapy and if it really was effective, for instance, the statins to lower cholesterol.

Well, we have questioned those for many, many, many years, well before COVID. Now I believe they are a total scam. I believe the cholesterol thing is a total scam. I believe that statins are a total scam. I do not think they prevent cardiovascular disease.

My simplest, without getting into detail, for anybody listening or watching, if they work so well, they've been out since 1987.

. If they work so well, how come cardiovascular disease is still a number one killer for Americans? That's just a great question to ask. They're not working. Okay.

So we started questioning that, along with other drugs and just the, you know, drugs for type two diabetes and things like that. And you know, and then, when COVID came out, it just, it just made us realize that it made us question our entire pharmacy education. Yeah. How can you believe what we've been told by these studies of these drug companies? Janet?

Well, I think when you go into healthcare, whether you're a nurse, whether you're a doctor, physical therapist, respiratory therapist, or pharmacist, we all went in, I think, with the intent that we were going to help heal people. And the healing process was what was missing for us. I just kept seeing more and more drugs being put on an individual and their overall appearance. I mean, as pharmacists, we see patients on a regular basis, but they would come in and they were just sicker and sicker and sicker. And so when you would question that, it's like, well, I don't have time to do this and my patients aren't going to listen to this.

And why aren't we doing, you know, I mean, all these things started just going off. It's like, we aren't putting our best out there for people by just giving them another Band-Aid rather than healing and helping them get to that place. And I think that's when Sean and I started recognizing that, hey, you know, there's something wrong with the system when our patients don't improve. I mean, obviously, if they have an infection and they, you know, that's a short term thing. But with chronic illnesses, I feel like we were just adding to the fire.

We weren't helping put out, you know, any advice that was going to get that client to the place where they were having quality of life. Right. And I think that's something very we're passionate about in health care is that we want people to live right. We want them to have a quality of life, not just existence.

Educate people on the term polypharmacy, what is that?

I thought that was old. Right. But very young, 50 is very, very young to be dying. And she was morbidly obese. And she basically told Janet that she'd eaten herself to death.

She ate herself to death. And the medications we were giving her were not really helping her. They were really enabling her lifestyle. And we really needed to have a conversation. The whole health care team needed to have a conversation with her instead of just prescribing another medication.

But that's not what we do. No. And a lot of times what ends up happening is you prescribe one medication and then a side effect occurs. So then we add another one. Right.

So it just keeps. it's just one after the other. And then, before you know it, you've got a handful of medications that people are taking without any way of resolving the real issue behind the problem. Right. So there's no, there's.

the only thing that keeps happening is let's add one more drug to solve this problem. Let's add one more drug to solve this problem without ever taking something away or ever educating someone on, for example, this client. She was a diabetic, a type two. Well, let's teach her about what, what's causing the problem, and give her the ability to change that if she so chooses. Right.

But that's not what happens a lot of times. A lot of times we just keep going, well, go ahead, live how you want, you know, just live life how you want. But in the end, we don't tell them. that might cost your eyes. It might cost you your your kidneys.

It might cost you your whole entire life. I mean, those are the tragedies of not going from a healing perspective and teaching someone that why you're in this position is from your habits, your daily decisions that you're making day in and day out, which in this case, this lifestyle situation, could have been intervened. I mean, obviously, the seriousness of it, she realized that she's dying, but that's too late. Right. Like we could have done something so much earlier in her life to prevent that without a drug that was manufactured.

That's how much time you get. And sure, they talk about, you know, they gloss over the importance of food. But many times I don't think they talk about sleep, hydration, sunshine, laughter, joy,

You know, and instead we give a medication and you guys hit on it. It is exactly that there are side effects to every single medication that you get. And there is. I have to find that meme. Do you guys ever see that T-shirt that says, like, I take, you know, I take metformin for my diabetes, that causes this and that.

I don't know? if you guys ever saw that shirt. I don't think so. Oh, I have to. I have to get it.

It's a whole paragraph on the back of a shirt of how one thing leads to another, leads to another, leads to another. And really, if we even go back to that, I'm in ER nursing now. That's what I do. But I have worked in ICU and med surgeon stuff. But say, somebody comes into the hospital and they feel like they're having chest pain.

But really what it is is they have acid reflux. OK, and so we give them omeprazole and that patient starts taking omeprazole. Does their cardiologist know that they're on it? Does the primary care doctor know they're on it? Does the endocrinologist know they're on it?

No, not, unless they tell them. And that's where primary care doctors are supposed to come into play. They are supposed to know all of these things that you are on. that maybe the different specialty is overseeing. But there's a lot of times, too, that a patient is hospitalized and the hospitalist changes their medication and nobody really knows.

And so I think it really touches on the importance that you guys mentioned of being in control of your health and knowing that you have the ability to change it. And if you are not having these conversations with the doctors, then nobody really knows. So there's, you know, gone is the day where our primary care doctor, if you were hospitalized, came to the hospital. Right. You know, you guys want to talk about the hospitalist and stuff.

there's probably a benefit to a lot of that. But unfortunately, because it's a better lifestyle for the doctor and probably the patient's going to overall get better care because there's somebody right there for them. If the hospitalist and the primary care doctor communicate appropriately, but that doesn't always happen.

It is the hospitalist who gets report on you and they're only there for 12 hours. and maybe they're there for 12 hours for five days. But maybe you just met the hospitalist on their last day and now your care is getting reported on to another doctor. And, you know, if they're rounding on, you know, dozens of patients in the hospital for that night, it really also, too, is. the hospital is during the day.

They're the ones who really direct most of the care. The hospitalist at night are there just to put out fires. They don't change things up. You know, they don't really look into your pathophysiology and and you as a holistic being. They don't look at that.

They oftentimes don't even go and see the patient. They only see the patient if the nurse calls them and they need to come see the patient and then they step in. So, yes, health care is very disjointed in that way. And polypharmacy is a huge, huge issue, guys. I mean, I, you know, work triage a lot of the times in the ER.

So I have to input all of the medications and practically everyone is on an antacid. . They are on a cardiac, a heart medication, right, for blood pressure, heart rate. They're on something for their high blood sugar. And all of these things interact with one another.

And before I forget, there is a resource that I want you guys to know about. And it's called MyTavin, M-Y-T-A-V-I-N dot com. And you can go to this site and input the medication that you're on and it will tell you what nutrient deficiencies may be causing your symptoms, because a lot of it is also nutrient, you know, our soil. You guys want to talk about that?

But if you aren't absorbing your nutrients for your bones because you can't, because the pH has changed in your gut, well, now you have another problem, right? And so it's just like this vicious cycle. And the other thing that we kind of touched on with the hospitalists that I'd like to make a point of is, you know, they treat everybody the same, like they don't understand the difference in these logarithms that they have, that, you know, your 20 year old is not the same as your 60 or your 80 year old person. And so you can't lump these people together. But I think what happens in these big set of hospital groups or clinics is that every patient's the same, right?

Like you, can't deviate from what that little check the box type of therapy you're going to receive comes down to. So to see that we all are the same if you're 20,, 40, 60, 80 is just insane.

diff. OK, and C. diff is a really powerful disease process that makes you have diarrhea and it really messes up your gut biome. OK, this patient came in and we put them on medications first for, and they were hospitalized now. So now they're hospitalized with this infection that is highly contagious.

They call it also a nosocomial hospital infection, because these superbugs live in hospitals. And that's why also, too, we don't want to hospitalize a person, unless we absolutely have to, because it subjects them to these superbugs that are really hard to treat. And C. diff is one of them. Well, this patient that I had, they were on a couple of different antibiotics.

It got to a point that I was doing vancomycin, enemas on this patient. OK, and I had worked with these types of patients before, and I know, and I knew just through my clinical practice, that the oh, the stool. You know, I'm talking about the stool, you know, where we put somebody's stool inside them. Fecal transplant is a fecal transplant. Oh, OK.

And I knew. So a fecal transplant is essentially somebody that lives with you. They pretty much have the same biome as you do. OK, it's very similar. So it doesn't matter if it's your friend, that's your roommate or your mother.

It's the biome in the gut is essentially, you know, very close to one another. So all we would have, all we had to do was get that person that lived with you to submit a stool sample, and then it went to lab, and then they implant that through the same as like a colonoscopy. Right. Just goes in through your rectum into your gut. And that just proves to work so well.

But what we did instead is we had to check off this box, that box, that box with the medication. And now this person's my biome and their gut is so disrupted, as well as their immune system. And, you know, also to think about being hospitalized for three weeks, getting,

you know, when all that, why didn't they go through, why didn't they offer the patient that education on day one, instead of going down the pharmacy route? But I would bring it up as the nurse, and then, you know, the doctor brushes it off. And then, as soon as the doctor speaks, the patient's like, oh, yeah, she, you know, I'm going to listen to the doctor, not you. Three weeks later, the patient got it and she was out of the hospital two days, you.

I mean, that is all by design. I mean, these electronic medical records were designed or not maybe designed, but with the help of drug companies, to make sure that their drugs are on that drop down list. You know, those are, those are just facts. And the insurance company play their plays, their games with kickbacks. And, you know, if you put, if we put your drug on formula, you'll give us this much amount of money at the end of the year and all this stuff that would be illegal in any other industry.

I mean, it's mafia, mob type tactics. And yet we let it happen in health care. And they, drug companies and insurance companies, they've got. no, their goal is not to make people healthier at all. Their goal is to make money, period.

And actually they make money on sick patients.

And we thought, what in the world is happening? How are we weaponizing pharmacy to not fill doctor's orders? How are we doing this? We talk off label drugs. We give off label drugs all the time.

But those that had a safety profile of decades that we were not allowing doctors to prescribe, it just it was mind blowing. The weaponization and really a pharmacist were if, if we got a doctor to get on board and say, yes, you know, I am going to prescribe my patient, say, ivermectin, because it was a risk benefit analysis. Maybe there was no benefit, but the risk were super, super strong. So if the patient wanted to try it, I'm going to try it. And you actually got a doctor to write an order.

Pharmacists were saying, I'm not going to fill it, as though they had every right in the world to do that. And it's not about health care, guys. It's not about getting people healthy. We talked about the statin drugs. You know, it's about money.

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They have been speaking out against this corruption of the government for decades now. And so I am excited to have you on the show. I'm sitting here thinking about all that we unpacked in the first, in the first 20 minutes of this show. And really, we could have a show, an hour long episode, at least on every single one of those topics.

Pharmacists, I think, were used as pawns in COVID.

And early on in the government created pandemic, the Washington State Board, I think it might have been 2021. So it was about a year after it all started, the Washington State Board of Pharmacy sent all pharmacists a letter, an email letter. Yeah. Saying, you know, if you see, you know, ivermectin is not approved for, you know, COVID and the FDA says this and that, and yada, yada, yada. Of course, like you said, as in the health care system, most over 50 percent of all the drugs we use are not for an approved use, you know, so we use off-label drugs all the time.

Anyway, they were basically saying, if you see a doctor or practitioner prescribing ivermectin, please feel free to turn them in to the appropriately, to the appropriate licensing board. And I mean, oh, yeah, this is like, wow, right, exactly. I've got to copy that letter somewhere. And so I will say this about the pharmacists refusing. Here's, here's what our state, you know, there's still people on on probation or fighting for their license right now for prescribing ivermectin.

And so, you know, when you have a license, a medical license, which is given to you by the state, and they send you a threatening letter like that,

you know, in some ways I don't blame pharmacists for not wanting to to dispense it. Now, here's what I would say is that I don't think a lot of it was appropriate. How the pharmacists did it, because they would do it just because the government told them to do it and out of fear. And I what I would do, because, Jen, I will be honest with you, we have a compound pharmacy and we compound hormones for men and women. So we didn't even stop ivermectin, because it was not that we didn't believe in it.

It just wasn't our wheelhouse. We just we focus on hormones.

But when someone a doctor would call me or a patient would come in about ivermectin, we got every day, we wouldn't refuse to fill it. We would have a good conversation with them and say, look, we don't do this. But X, Y, Z pharmacy does. This is where I would suggest that you go. Yes.

Instead of just refusing to fill it, this is, and, you know, go ahead. So so what happens in this scenario that never happened before? I mean, this is this is to me as a pharmacist, I might have said, Doc, are you sure this dose is too high or not appropriate in this situation? And explain why I felt that way with facts. Correct.

Not not telling them they don't have the right to make a decision and a type of therapy between the patient and themselves. I mean, usually in the past it was for safety reasons. It was, you know, the decimals off. There's something off in the prescription. Let me need to correct it and get it appropriate for the right dosage or the right treatment.

or hey, they're on this and this interacts, and this is a bad interaction, or they're really allergic. So the reasons for not dispensing something changed. It wasn't an interaction between you as a colleague saying, hey, you know, we need to fix this. What about this? It was just shut the door.

You're not allowed to do this, which to me was strange. And the reason it was strange also is let's talk about ivermectin. Billions of people on this earth have taken it without any safety problems. So why not? Right.

You just put yourself in between your doctor and patient and took out an option. So what would happen? And at least, you know, we had people that trusted us enough. is, you know, they would rather go online. Right.

They go down this black hole and say, I'm going to order this off the web or whatever. So at least we could have the conversation. is, you know, Idaho was open. Montana was open for us. So we just said, hey, these people can help you.

Please go to them. They will honor what your doctor has written. And I feel confident that what you are receiving is not something that China sent you or India sent you. And you have no idea what it is. I trust this pharmacy.

I trust this doctor. I trust, you know, let's put you in a safe place. But, you know, that whole discouragement of telling a patient that something is wrong when it's it's a government thing. I mean, that, like Sean alluded to, that really kind of puts you back in history, a little bit of a government taking over somebody's role and really prescribing for that doctor. Right.

Not, not that, you know, I mean. Pharmacy boards aren't farms, are not doctors or PAs or nurse practitioners with prescribing, you know, I mean, some pharmacists might have that, but you put yourself in a different role. And I really feel that that just blew a lot of trust with their clients and patients. And, you know, so now, who do we trust? Where do we go?

And I think, just to piggyback off that, I still think that pharmacists should have a right to refuse a prescription. And let me give you an example.

But I don't think it should be just because it's not FDA approved. Let me give you an example. Being a compound pharmacy, we get calls from hospices quite often saying they want us to make a cocktail for assisted suicide.

We say, you know what, we just don't do that. But, you know, here's a pharmacy you might want to reach out to. that might help you with that. So in those situations, I still think that a pharmacist should be able to refuse a prescription, but you should communicate with the provider and the patient. You don't just say, I'm refusing it.

Never before in history, a pharmacist refused to feel something because it wasn't FDA approved. Never. I can never, ever think of another instance like that before, because we've dispensed non-FDA approved drugs all the time, at least off label indications for them all the.

Right. This drug is approved for this use at this dose for this reason. But then we also, too, had emergency use authorization, which I believe was new to.

No, I'm sorry. How do they word it? If there was no safe and effective, is what they said, drugs available for this purpose, hence, you know, COVID-19.. And I said, no, no, no. That's not what EUA definition is.

EUA definition is safe and available, available. It didn't even matter if it was effective or not. When they pushed Remdesivir on people, they had no idea what that was going to, if it was going to be effective or not. It was just an ability to usher in this investigational drug, you know, that and I'm not going to get into the whole history of it, but it was for the purposes that the government wanted it to be. And that was for that drug, Remdesivir, to be in every hospital and, you know, be adopted under this COVID blanket, COVID protocol.

And in order to incentivize its use, we had the national COVID NC TAP program. that said, if you use this drug, we are going to give you a bonus payout of 20% on total hospital admission. Now, you think about it, we came at a time where hospitals were told to shut down their surgery department. And the only people that we were going to actively treat were those that were actively dying, like a heart attack or a stroke. But everything else, those people that had a blockage in their heart, no, that was halted.

That was halted. So you have pharmacies or you have hospitals where their major money earner is surgery shut down for a while. And then, in order to get them on board to do it, they said, hey, we're going to come out with this incentivized payment structure, that you are going to use this one and only drug. And, and also, too, there was, there was no written policy against the use of ivermectin for off-label use at all. It was word of mouth.

that said, if you use this, you are going to get fired, just like that letter that you guys received. that said, hey, if you, if you hear people using this, report them to their medical board. And it's just like, wow.

Unbelievable things is, you know, I write about it in my book. One of the things that you we just can't. we can't trust the health care system to take care of us. Now, unfortunately, there's, just like you as an ER nurse, there are people that get in a car wreck or whatever. We need to go to the hospital.

But for most chronic diseases, you can change those. You can reverse those by changing your lifestyle. So our first step solution in my book is to educate and empower individuals to take charge of their own health. Don't put your health, you know, don't put your health in the hand of another person, and especially not the government, because they do not have your best interest in mind. And most all health care, let's just face it, most all health care in the nation is is run by the government.

Almost all hospitals that I know of take government funding. So Medicare, and Medicaid is over 70 to 80 percent of their funding. So guess what? They are controlled by the government, period. Period.

And just like you said, the hospitals say, well, we'll give you 20 percent more reimbursement. if you do remdesivir. OK, we're on. Yeah. And that comes straight from the federal government.

And I think a lot of it. Well, I'll let you guys talk about it and I'll give my opinion on it. But, OK, off label use. It was very easy for doctors to see the safety profile of ivermectin and know that it has antiviral, anti inflammatory benefits to this drug. And because it's been out for decades, we have a safety profile on it.

Actually, they've shown that less people die from ivermectin than Tylenol. OK, and and that those were facts. Now we have doctors wanting to give it off label use. We had pharmacy, you know, being weaponized. We also had the medical licensing boards, nursing boards being weaponized to, you know, deter people from even talking about it, which is so unethical to do.

But we have drugs like off label use. I'm going to use Benadryl. Benadryl is an antihistamine. It is given when the immune system is being overwhelmed and you have rash, rashes or anaphylaxis or swelling tongues or hives. Right.

That's what its use was. But we also give it for sleep, because we know that a side effect of Benadryl is drowsiness. So oftentimes in the hospital, instead of putting them on like trazodone, which is a pretty heavy duty sleep drug, we'll give them Benadryl. So let's just talk real quickly about off label use drugs. that that is a thing.

But it was used for sleep way before it was FDA approved. Here's a good example.

Neurontin. Neurontin was a drug that was originally prescribed. The generic name is gabapentin. It was originally prescribed for seizures.

And they realized that in order to for it to work for seizures, it had to be in huge doses and they had these really bad side effects. But they also noticed that when they were doing this for seizures, that it helped people's pain get better. So neuropathic pain. So doctors started using gabapentin for neuropathic pain. It was not FDA approved.

I don't think it's still FDA approved for it. It might be now, but they started using it for neuropathic pain because that's what was what was it was working for in a lower dose than for seizures. Yeah. So that's a good example. Here's another example.

Is that, you know, just because a drug is not approved. By the FDA does not mean it's not effective. Let me give you some examples. Coding. Coding is not FDA approved.

It was well, it was around before the FDA. It was grandfathered in. Does coding work for pain? For most patients, there are certain patients that don't respond. For most patients, coding works.

Absolutely.

Another one would be that was grandfathered in would be LASIX. Oh, LASIX is well, LASIX is FDA approved for hypertension. But what do we use it for, Jodi? Diuretic. All the time.

We use it for diuretic and for CHF, right? Yes. To get extra fluid off so the heart can work easier. So, but it's not FDA approved for that. But that's what all doctors prescribe for.

No doctor prescribes furosemide for hypertension anymore.

And when I first got out of pharmacy school for the first year or so in the mid 90s, quinine was still available over the counter in a hundred milligram dose. Well, the FDA, it was never really. it was grandfathered in before the FDA. So it was never really FDA approved. Kind of like Tylenol.

Acetaminophen has never been FDA approved, really, because it was around before the FDA. 1938.. It was around before 1938..

So. Wow. And the FDA doesn't like drugs that aren't FDA approved. And they try to say that, oh, well, they're dangerous. and, you know, there's no FDA approval.

It's like, well, first of all, if they've ever been around that long, they probably work and they're probably safe. And I guess Tylenol has some problems at higher doses. I get that. But quinine, so they pulled it off. It was too dangerous to be over the counter.

So they made a prescription only and you could get a 325 milligram dose prescription only. Well, then the FDA got it. You know, they got on a path. It's like, well, it's still never been FDA approved. We're just going to take it off the market completely because it's not FDA approved.

It just can't be safe and it can't be effective without us putting a rubber stamp on it. You could get it for literally ten dollars for a hundred of them. Cheap drug. Cheap, cheap drug. So they take it off the market because it was FDA approved.

Guess what? Another drug company comes in, they brand name it, they patent it and they go to the FDA approval process. And now it's like 500 bucks a month. Wow. See what happens with.

it's nothing to do with safety and efficacy. It has to do with a drug company paying off the FDA. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a big deal. You know, seriously, I'm sitting here listening to this and I think like, oh, we could do a show on that, on that.

there's many different hormones in our body. Adrenal hormones, sex hormones made from the testes and the ovaries, adrenal hormones made from the adrenal glands, thyroid hormone, insulin. Insulin is a hormone, right? So you I use that example, because you can't put all hormones into the same box. That's for sure.

They're all different. So let's just get specific. with bioidentical hormones. Bio, we need life, identical, identical to what's in our body. So, first of all, we're mostly talking about the sex hormones now, which are estradiol, progesterone, testosterone.

Women and men both have all of those.

And what's important is that you have bioidentical hormones, not not synthetic hormones like ethinyl estradiol, that's in birth control, or levonorgestrel, that's in birth control. Those are not created the same. In fact, hormones are what make you progesterone, for instance, progestation. It helps with gestation. It helps you get pregnant.

That's how different they are from the synthetic progesterone birth control, way different. So when people try to, doctors are ignorant of it, when they try to compare provera or medroxyprogesterone acetate to progesterone, that's example I use. I'm like, well, one of them helps support a pregnancy. One of them is birth control. That's how different they are, because we learned in pharmacy school that they were the same.

And so that's I use that analogy, because there's one thing you can take away from this. They are not the same. They are way different. So, so the study that Sean is going into is the WHI study that every doctor and every nurse practitioner and PA talk about. And they used Premarin, pregnant mare's urine.

The WHI study, in 2002.

Because it does. Hormone and Provera do, but they are two different animals. They're not the same. They're not equal to what your ovaries or Sean's testes would make. And here's what I want to, here's what I, the analogy I usually use about, you know, hormones causing, bionic hormones, causing cancer or causing heart attacks.

That's a common one with testosterone, that it causes heart attacks in men. Okay. Then how come 19 year old men don't get heart attacks? That's when their testosterone is the highest. So when we're 19 and they're not dying of heart attacks, usually 70 year old men do that have low testosterone.

So that doesn't figure. Association is not proof, causation. Same thing with women. So when do most women get breast cancer? Not in their twenties, when their hormones are raging, not when they're pregnant, when their hormones are super, super high, they get them in there, you know, post menopause, when the hormones are pre menopause, pre menopause, when the hormones are going like this, or their post menopause.

So those are the simplest rational statements I talk about when it comes to hormones causing cancer or heart attacks. If they did, then that means young men and women would be dying.

that was maybe sufficient, but when we're talking perimenopause or menopausal, or even for androgens for men, you just could not consume that, um, in a viable way without going down the road of having, you know, a prescription. You just don't have a, it's just not concentrated enough. Right. You'd have to consume way too much.

You'll have more lean body mass. You'll have a higher libido. That's the side effects of hormone, of hormone balancing.

And actually her husband got on them too. And she said, Oh my gosh. She said, it's like we're teenagers again. We are happy. We are having a full sex life.

Like everything changes, and, and it's great guys. You know, I just love this show and I am so blessed to, to, you know, be connected with people like you guys, to share this information out with people, for them to just have a jump being off point, to do their research. You know, it's like you go to, um, MLRX.com, go check out their website, check out the videos that, you know, they've put decades of time and research into this, uh, to educate and empower you guys. So start there, send us a question here on nurses out loud. If you have any questions for us, we, I will certainly love to bring Sean and Janet back on, uh, you know, and, and have another conversation there.

There's so many, I mean, when I'm ready to talk about the trial that I just went with HHS, I'm definitely going to have you guys back and, and really unpack that for the listeners, because it essentially was a trial of ethics verse protocol. And if only, if only guys, we would have stuck to the ethics of our profession, whether that be nurses, pharmacists, doctors, none of this would have transpired, but people were coerced and they had their paycheck hanging over their head. And they said, if you do this, you are going to lose your job. And if you don't lose your job, we're going to take away your license. And, and that's how a bully acts.

And you know, you know, we don't stand, you don't allow the bully to win, you know, until next time. guys, be safe, be well, and God bless. Thank you all for joining us. And, um, and I just appreciate your friendship. There's many of you guys that listen to us all the time that I have become friends with.

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