Protect the Boobies [VIDEO]

2024-05-19 00:37:34

The most-listened to podcast by women. Alex Cooper’s Call Her Daddy has been creating conversation since 2018. Cooper cuts through the BS with topics and guests - asking the burning questions you want the answers to. There will be laughter, there will be tears. There will be everything in between. New episodes drop on Wednesday and Sunday. Want more? Join the Daddy Gang @callherdaddy

1Speaker 1
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Sunday mornin' fathers callin'.

2Speaker 2
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do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do every Sunday's Father's Day. Ah! What the fuck?

1Speaker 1
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That was pretty good, right? Hello, Daddy gang. Welcome back to another episode of Call Her Daddy. I am sitting here with my lovely, lovely, lovely best friend, Laryn. Laryn is in town.

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We were hanging out tonight.

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And I was kind of in like a shitty mood, I guess you could say.

2Speaker 2
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You were a good sport about things.

1Speaker 1
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Yes, thank you. I definitely am trying to just stay positive, but I've been dealing with some health things lately. that has just been very frustrating. When I got back from my honeymoon, I started just having like this, like intense pain in the area that I guess you would think is like, it's your, I was like, it's my pelvis. And then I'm like, okay, that's my ovaries.

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I scheduled an appointment with my gynecologist and I'm someone that has, like always, done like my yearly checkups, but I'm also someone that, like, I, haven't had the best experience with gynecologists. I feel like I've had gynecologists that are quite.

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just like not loving about the way that they deliver information. Like I remember when I got bad news, like a couple years ago, and it was just like, yeah, so that's it. And I'm like, oh my God, like, this is terrifying. Like, so what do I have to do? And like, what procedure do I have to get?

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And I got like a really just like scary procedure that I was like nervous. Like, is this gonna affect how I'm gonna have children? And so I feel like I've just had like, I'm just scared. Now I think I have this like scared taste in my mouth. That's not a taste, but you know what I mean?

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And so, anyways, I've just been really nervous, daddy gang of like, what is going on? Do I have an ovarian cyst? Like, what is happening? And I think anytime any woman has anything when it relates to down under, anyone that has a uterus, like. it's just frustrating, obviously, because we can't see it like a dick.

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Like we're like, what is inside there? What is going on? And so I've been doing tests and I just went for many different tests today and I had to get all this blood work and I was doing all these things and I was getting a CT scan. And so I came home and Lauren was like, you know, I feel you on a whole different level, because you have had your own medical journey that you have been going on for the past, what?

2Speaker 2
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Like two years? A little over two years.

1Speaker 1
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And so today, not to make this like a depressing episode, I promise it's not meant to be that, but I do know how many women listen to the podcast daddy, gang and Lauren and I, I feel like sometimes it's nice to hear from like normal people, not like have on a doctor specialist, which I can do after Lauren drops all this information of what's been going on in her life. But I just want, yeah, I think you were like, let's talk about it and let's inform women of like what is going on. And so, yeah, Lair, take it away. What's been going on with you?

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♪ Wonder who we are now? ♪. ♪. Have been wondering now? ♪.

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♪ Wonder who we are now? ♪.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, Lair, take it away. What's been going on with you?

2Speaker 2
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I think we started talking about this because we were talking about like how important it is to get a good gyno, because when I moved to Chicago,

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like three years ago, but like maybe a year after, it took me like a fucking year to like settle into. like, who do I want, like my good doctors to be and stuff. And that makes a huge difference. So I got a new gyno and I went for like a yearly and she was like, have you ever gotten your hormones tested? And I was like, no.

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And she was like, I think that'd be like a good thing to do just to kind of like, see baseline where you're at. Like. I wanted to go on birth control because I wasn't on it at the time. And she was like, let's test your hormones. Like, let's see where your levels are at.

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So we can, like, make an informed decision of what type of birth control is best for you. And I'm like, wow, no one's ever offered to do that for it. I love that.

1Speaker 1
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I was about to say, just like stopping you right there, which is why I think this stuff is so scary and confusing is like, I have never had a doctor ask me to do that. Like I have never, and I've had so many weird hormonal issues in the past with like different birth controls. I've never done a hormone test. And I'm like, wait, should we all be doing that? Like, what the fuck?

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Like, I've never heard of that until you told me.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah, she just included it in like my yearly. And she was like asking my family history. And she was like, do you have a family history of breast cancer? And I was like, yeah, my mom had breast cancer. My grandmother, on my dad's side, had breast cancer.

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My aunt, on my dad's side, had breast cancer. And she was like, well, have you ever considered genetic testing? And I was like, someone brought it up, like in passing, like years ago, but like, does insurance cover that? Like, is it super expensive? Like, what is that process even like?

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Oh, what was the process even like? What did I do for that? I was about to say. Yeah, what was the process? Really simple.

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It was either blood work or pee. Cause it was just, that was just a big blood work and pee visit. She was like, pee in all these cups. We'll take all this blood and like test, all these baseline things.

1Speaker 1
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And how did you test your hormones?

2Speaker 2
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Blood.

1Speaker 1
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Oh, got it. Okay.

2Speaker 2
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And so, knowing like my grandmother and my mom and my aunt had breast cancer, like I always knew there was a chance that, like, I could have a gene or something, but like my mom got tested and my mom didn't have the BRCA gene, which is a gene, which is like the main genetic breast cancer gene that you can pass down. And if you have the BRCA gene or the BRCA mutation, you're having much higher risk of getting breast cancer and ovarian cancer. And I already knew my mom didn't have that. So I was like, I think I'm fine, but like, I'll do this genetic testing anyways.

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And so I do all the testing and I go back to the doctor's office, probably like a few weeks later. And it's like a 9 a.m. doctor's appointment. I schedule it before work because I'm like, this is going to be in and out. They're just going to read me like, you're fine.

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Your blood levels are fine. And I'll go home, log into work and like, have like a full work day. And I get to the doctor's office and like I can tell the doctor's being like a little like too nice. She's being too nice. She asked, like if I want some water.

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She asked if I want to like sit in like the relaxation chair that gives you, like a little back massage. And I'm like, ooh, like I found a nice doctor's office. This is like a class service. Little did I know she was like trying to calm me down, I think before like dumping a load on me.

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And I agree so much with you, like the doctor and like the gyno that you have, or doctors in general, makes like a huge difference when you have someone who's like empathetic and not a robot when they're going to read you like heavy results. And she called me into her office and she was like, I know this is about to be a lot. I'm about to give you a lot of information. Like, are you in a place right now like where you can receive this like information? And I was like, well, that made me smile more.

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But I was like, that is so considerate.

1Speaker 1
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Like, of course. Instead of just like being like, hey, so we looked at your test results and this is this. Yeah. I've had doctors do that. And you're like, wait, I didn't even, I like was just like texting my friend and I looked up and you just basically.

2Speaker 2
07:08.90 – 07:10.34

Yeah, like I feel like I just got like.

1Speaker 1
07:10.72 – 07:11.72

Right, like whiplash.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah, exactly. And she was like, okay, like, let's start with the hormones. And she was like, you have elevated testosterone, which makes me think that maybe you have PCOS. And to get a PCOS diagnosis, they typically look for two out of three things. One being elevated testosterone, which I had.

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A second criteria is having an irregular period. In my whole life, I've never had a regular period. Been irregular my entire life. So Mark checked box two. And she was like, from that alone, like I think you have PCOS.

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And then she starts like listing all these symptoms. And like, I didn't have any of those symptoms. Like the first one, that, like, really scared me, she was like, it could cause not infertility issues, where I'm gonna have issues with my eggs, but difficulty getting pregnant. And like that alone is just like a scary thing to hear.

1Speaker 1
08:04.88 – 08:05.12

Terrifying.

2Speaker 2
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And so, like, I'm already kind of like, okay, like, whoa, that's kind of big news. Like, I think that's everyone, I thought that, like everyone has like, now I think people have, like, kind of changed the way they talk about it. Like, not when I get pregnant, like if I can get pregnant.

1Speaker 1
08:19.08 – 08:20.24

Wait, is that the third one?

2Speaker 2
08:20.82 – 08:30.64

Oh, no, the third one is doing an ultrasound of your ovaries and seeing if you have cysts on your ovaries. And they did that like, yeah, your ovaries are covered in cysts. So I had all three.

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And so that was like the first big piece of news. that was like a lot, just like started, like my mind started going up like, oh my gosh, like what if I can't get pregnant? and like spiraling like down that hole. And then the second piece was like, okay, like let's go over genetic testing. And she was like, you don't have the BRCA mutation, which is the more serious breast cancer mutation.

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And typically they do recommend for that one, like you get a double mastectomy. And so I had a newer mutation that when my mom got tested, like 10 years ago, they weren't even looking for this one yet. So that's why I was like, I'm safe. I'm in the clear, like my mom doesn't have it. Like I'm probably good.

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So they have this new one now they check for, which is called CHECK2.

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. And I had the CHECK2 mutation, which means when you have like a set of genes, you have two copies of every gene. So I'm missing one of these copies of this gene. that's a protective factor that helps me not to get breast cancer. So it's not like I have cancer in my body.

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I'm missing like one of my protective things that helps me not to get cancer. So she hands me this like big packet of information and I open up the packet. It's like a 30 page, like booklet. So I'm from the genetic testing company. It's just like all of this, like all the tests.

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they ran, all the results, like. it's like very heavy, like scientific language. And I opened the page. and the big number, like front and center, is 68%. And I'm just like looking at this huge number on the first page.

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and it's just like bold and black, 68%. And it's like, you have a 68% chance in your life you will get breast cancer.

?Unknown Speaker
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Lauren.

2Speaker 2
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And like,

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I would have like thinking about like how I would have responded, because I was so nonchalant going into the process. I even was like letting myself like toy with the idea, but like not really, but like a little bit, like if I have the gene, like, like.

1Speaker 1
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Right. Like, it's like, it doesn't feel real.

2Speaker 2
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No.

1Speaker 1
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So you're like, okay, like not, it's not actually gonna happen.

2Speaker 2
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And I've never had a panic attack in my life. Like I'm lucky. I don't like really deal with anxiety a lot. Cause I'm just dissociate.

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No, but not anymore. I'm having a lot of therapy.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah. No more dissociating. Yeah, I'm better. Like when you like, if something goes wrong, you will revert.

2Speaker 2
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If something goes really wrong, I don't panic. I like freeze and like.

1Speaker 1
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Dissociate.

2Speaker 2
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Dissociate.

1Speaker 1
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You go back to what you know.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah, exactly. I stay with what feels right and true to my soul.

1Speaker 1
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Exactly.

2Speaker 2
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So, in that moment, I, that was the closest in my life. Like I'd ever been to, like a panic attack. So, like in that moment, logic left. Yeah. My mind was like catastrophizing.

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Like I was thinking of, like every worst possible thing. I was like, I am gonna get cancer. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna have to get chemotherapy. I'm gonna lose all my hair.

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Like your mind goes to stuff like that. Of course. I'm gonna have to like not work for months. Like how am I gonna support myself? Like my family, I'm gonna be a burden to them.

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Like, oh, and the kicker, I had just started dating my boyfriend two days ago.

1Speaker 1
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We, I forgot that part.

2Speaker 2
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Two days ago.

1Speaker 1
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Cause I remember you called me when you got home from the doctor. Yeah. And I, you were like, can you talk? And like, we have known each other our whole lives.

2Speaker 2
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Oh, I remember exactly what you said. What did I say? Cause you were in an interview.

1Speaker 1
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Yes, I remember exactly where I was. And I, I, I was like late to the interview, right?

2Speaker 2
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No, I texted your assistant and I was like, hey, I know Alex is going into an interview. Do not say anything now. When she gets out of the interview, like, and she's like, settled and everyone's out and everything's okay. Like, can you tell her to call me?

1Speaker 1
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I fucking remember this. I remember Jordan was like. immediately after the person left the house, the studio, Jordan comes up to me and she was like, hey, Lauren needs you to call her. And her face just looked like so not well. And I immediately knew something was off, because I'm like, Lauren needs me to, and she reached out to you, like, what is going on?

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And then I remember I walked to the backyard and I called you.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah. And I was like, definitely. So at that point I had talked to my therapist. Okay. Because, so I'm sitting in the office, I'm processing that I have PCOS.

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I don't fully know what that means yet. I know that there's a chance I'm going to have maybe difficulty getting pregnant. I now know I also have this breast cancer gene and she's kind of throwing a lot of information at me, but like doing a good job of like, I know you're probably not going to retain any of this. It's going in one ear, out the other. Like, let's set a meeting next week.

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And like, I'm going to like, retell you all of this. Your doctor? My doctor. Yeah. And she was just like.

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so amazing. Like, I didn't feel like I was like being rushed out of there. Like, she was like, I will sit with you. Like, let's like, ask me anything you need.

1Speaker 1
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Because I feel like that's like a major problem that I've experienced with doctors. And from what I understand, a lot of people feel that way too. It's like, I have so much respect for doctors, but they have to understand like we are literal idiots when it comes to what they're saying to us. We don't know. Like, when you're talking about the BRCA gene, I'm like, I am.

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so like, I don't know what that, you know what I mean? Like, you don't know what these things are until you have to know what they are. And so I feel like sometimes they deliver you information and then they just stare at you as if you're supposed to be able to comprehend anything that they're saying. And then when you ask, like, wait, I don't really understand that. Like, it's, a lot of doctors have a really hard time breaking it down.

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So someone not only can understand it in that moment, but can retain it and leave feeling okay. Like, I can't tell you the amount of times I've left a doctor's office. And I don't know if anyone else can relate to this, Daddy Gang, but like, I feel almost dumb. So sometimes I avoid asking questions and then I'll get in the car and have a fucking breakdown. Like when I had to get that one procedure, I was freaking the fuck out when I got the news because I was like, I don't understand it.

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And I thought it was gonna affect my fertility.

2Speaker 2
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There is nothing worse than like feeling like you're out of control in a situation that's also like you can't comprehend.

1Speaker 1
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Exactly. And so I empathize with anyone. Like, it's really terrifying. And it's also like, most of the time you're going to the gyno alone.

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And so you're getting this information and then it's so important, especially as we're getting older and we're thinking of even having kids, like. it's terrifying. So I empathize with you and I'm so sorry that you had to like be doing that alone. Okay, so your therapist talks to you and then you call me.

2Speaker 2
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So I walk out of the doctor's office with like my folder in my packet and I am like numb that I'm like, like. I can't even like, really like, even call my Uber, yet. Like. I just feel kind of like lost and like confused and like scared. And I texted my therapist and I was like, are you free right now?

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And that's like the one good thing about like having an expensive ass. therapist. Like you kind of have the ability to be like.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, you're like, let's go, come on.

2Speaker 2
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And I've never, ever, ever texted her being like, can you talk right now? So I think she was like, yeah, like, call me. Like someone just actually canceled, like, call me. I know. And I didn't even call my Uber.

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I lapped around the block, the city block. I think I lapped around the city block for 45 minutes, like on the phone, like talking to her. And my first thing I said was I'm near panic attack, but how do I handle the fact that I've been dating for someone for two days? And like now I'm like panicking that I think I might get cancer one day. Like that's a really bad buzzkill two days into a relationship.

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And like, for more context, like we moved kind of fast. Like we met and started talking and like dating within two months. So like this wasn't like a long drawn out thing where, like we've gone through stuff before. We've had, like difficult times. Like this is the first hardship or the first like not fun thing that we've ever dealt with together two days into dating.

1Speaker 1
16:33.22 – 16:38.58

I know it's not even two months, two days into dating this person. And you're like, oh, by the way.

2Speaker 2
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Well, my mind was like, oh, is he like, is that like a liability? Is he like not gonna wanna like sign up to be with someone who has like a chance of getting cancer?

1Speaker 1
16:47.14 – 16:47.80

Oh, my God, Lauren.

2Speaker 2
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I know, my therapist was like, well, if that's the case, then like-.

1Speaker 1
16:51.44 – 16:52.02

You don't want him around.

2Speaker 2
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And so her, I was like, do I tell him or like, do I like bear this on my own? And she was like, this is an adult relationship. This is real life. Like you're getting tested early. Like this is a test.

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Like how does he handle it? How does he show up and support you? And like, how does he respond?

1Speaker 1
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Such a good point.

2Speaker 2
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Couldn't have been more amazing. So I like, lapped around 45 minutes, like talking to my therapist, kind of venting, and like, just like letting all of my thoughts kind of go, which felt like nice that I kind of say, like all of the things that I was thinking and feeling and like where my mind was going. And like something that we were talking about, she was like, are you someone who feels like calmer? if you like, go home and Google? Or are you someone who's gonna like, then like spiral more?

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And at first I was like, no, like avoid. Like. I wanna avoid, like. I don't even wanna think about this. I wanna go home.

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I wanna shut this folder. I don't wanna do anything. I don't wanna think about this. And I think that was causing me more anxiety actually, because, like, this is now something I have to handle and something like I have to be proactive about and like do something.

1Speaker 1
17:55.52 – 18:09.96

Right. And again, like you just said, like if. oddly, though, like, if you do understand something better, then you will be calmer. But I know it's terrifying to open the can of worms of like, okay, I'm gonna open Google. Because what's also fucked up about Google is half the time, if you put in your symptoms, you have cancer.

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Yeah, so you're like, oh my God. But you're like, you know what? Like, starting there, oddly, can help you feel like more calm, because you can get a better grasp on it.

2Speaker 2
18:18.36 – 18:34.44

Yeah, so I spent like the first, like probably like 10 hours, like trying to distract myself and avoid. And I was like, okay, like, let me open like my laptop. Like, and like, we were talking about how it's like really hard when you don't understand anything. And like, luckily, like I have, like an under, my undergrad degrees in like science. And like, I've taken, like college level genetics.

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So like, I have like a basic understanding. So like, I really empathize with someone who's like, I don't even know like what a gene is.

1Speaker 1
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Literally, literally.

2Speaker 2
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So like. that was like, been like, I felt like I had like a little bit of like a one up there. I was like, okay, like I actually like kind of know what I'm reading. And I felt so much better once I like read and like started to get information.

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And so I called a genetic counselor. And so, like the company that did my genetic testing, was like, we have a counselor that you can call. that can help break it really down for you, explain to you what you should do and explain your options.

1Speaker 1
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Amazing.

2Speaker 2
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Well, I guess first I talked to my boyfriend.

1Speaker 1
19:17.48 – 19:19.46

Oh, right. What did I say to you on the phone?

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You were like, I remember exactly.

2Speaker 2
19:22.84 – 19:35.58

Oh, I think you were just saying, I think you were just saying like, oh my God, you were like, Matt, Matt, go find the best geneticist in LA. Go to call up all your friends at Cedar Sinai and go find the best geneticist in LA.

1Speaker 1
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I forgot about that. I was like, we will get you the best doctors on. Like, don't you worry. You're like, okay, Alex, calm down. Like.

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I need to first go research like what's going on. I was like, okay, but then call me. Yes, yes. Okay, so you talked to your boyfriend.

2Speaker 2
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And he was just like amazing and was just like.

1Speaker 1
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And you're still together to this day.

2Speaker 2
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We're still together to this day. We just moved in together last week.

1Speaker 1
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Congrats. Thank you. Love that for you.

2Speaker 2
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Thank you. So I talked to the genetic counselor and they were very comforting and they were like, okay, so, like now you need to like be preventative about this. Like you can't just like, sit on this information. Like you have to be proactive. Like, this is amazing that you know this.

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Like, feel so fortunate that you know this. Like most people, like don't have this information and they don't have the ability to like be preventative. So now, every six months, I have to alternate between getting a mammogram and an ultrasound on my boobs. Like that's one thing. on like today, I would get like a mammogram and an ultrasound.

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And then, six months later, I would get an MRI on my breasts. And then six months later, and I would keep going back and forth every six months for the rest of my life. Which is like, really like daunting to hear that, like, you have testing every six months for the rest of your life. And like, I think even at that point, it didn't really set in because they were like, oh, like, but like, it's so great that you have access to, like, insurance will cover it. And it's so great that you have access now to like get the MRI.

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Because if you get an MRI and an MRI catches something and you're up to date with your testing, like you're most likely catching it in stage zero. So I was like, okay, like, that's amazing.

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And then they were like, but you do have a decision. Like you could get a preventative mastectomy.

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And I think my first thought with that was, well, I'm in a new relationship. I can't chop my boobs off.

1Speaker 1
21:27.86 – 21:32.52

But like, I think every woman can understand that. Like, it's not like you're being vain.

2Speaker 2
21:32.90 – 21:33.28

No, yeah.

1Speaker 1
21:33.30 – 21:49.80

It's hard to stop your life in these moments that are what ifs. Like you said, like it was so daunting that you saw the number 68%. Like that made it so real. But at the same time, like you don't have cancer yet. And so to think to chop your boobs off at 29 years old, like that's terrifying.

21:49.92 – 21:58.56

And you are right. Like you're in this relationship. Like you wanna get married one day. You wanna have kids. There's things to think about before just being like, yeah, rip them off.

2Speaker 2
21:58.68 – 22:10.30

And it's a huge surgery. Like I know part of it's like, cool, I'll have like nice fake tits. But like, it's a huge surgery. They have to remove all of the ducts and all of the tissue. And you have the tubes that come out.

22:10.44 – 22:15.20

And it's like a big recovery. It's not just like the same as getting a boob job.

22:17.24 – 22:39.48

So I think then that was kind of something that was like, oh, that is a huge decision that I need to make. And I know that I want to do it because, having gone now for the past two years or so, like doing this testing every six months, it just like sucks. Like the days leading up to it, like, fuck, I have to go do this. And then like laying on the table and like having them check and then sitting in the waiting room, like waiting for them to. like read the results.

22:39.60 – 22:48.96

Like, okay, like, do I have cancer? Like, are they about to come out and tell me I have cancer? And they were like, I think most people burn out and then just stop testing.

1Speaker 1
22:49.62 – 22:50.24

Oh, wow.

2Speaker 2
22:50.60 – 22:58.34

It's like, they just have to keep going every six months for the rest of their life and playing that out over and over. Okay, like, do I have cancer? Like, what's the results gonna be?

1Speaker 1
22:58.56 – 23:02.38

That's the biggest mind fuck, like that can't be, I mean, that's like so unhealthy for mental health.

2Speaker 2
23:02.58 – 23:13.44

So I think like, that's the biggest reason I want to do. it is just like peace of mind. And like, knowing that I'm like putting myself like kind of like, I feel like I'm like back in control of this.

23:16.86 – 23:35.76

Oh, and like another difficult part was like figuring out how to like tell my mom. Because my mom had, like, really bad breast cancer when I was a freshman year in high school. She had either like stage three or stage four breast cancer. It was like really, really serious. And like full chemo, full radiation, double mastectomy.

23:35.98 – 23:57.56

And like, it was scary for a while. And I know that she still lives with that fear of like having gone through that and like wondering if like, it's ever gonna come back. And like, am I like safe now? And like then for me to like call her and tell her like, oh, now I have to deal with this. Like, I knew that would be like really hard for her to handle and my therapist gave me really good advice there.

23:57.56 – 24:23.52

that I think is like applicable for a lot of settings. Well, one, I called her fiance first and I told her fiance and I was like, can you help me find a time when, like, it's gonna be the right time for me to like drop this bomb on her? And can you like be home when I drop this bomb on her? Because if I can't be the person that she processes it with, because I'm processing it myself. So if, like, she needs to hang up and have someone like, I would like you to be there to help her process it.

24:24.04 – 24:42.08

And my therapist was like, tell her, like, what you need from her. So I, like, called her and I was like, hey, I'm gonna tell you something and I need you not to have a big reaction. I need you to be calm, because otherwise that's gonna be really hard for me to bear. If you need to process this, like, I need you to hang up and go, do it with your fiance and, like, call me back.

1Speaker 1
24:43.16 – 24:44.46

And- And it went, how did it go?

2Speaker 2
24:44.90 – 24:48.88

Perfect. Like. she was like, oh yes. Like, absolutely like, like. tell me what's going on.

24:48.92 – 24:56.70

And like, and was like amazing. And like, it was like a bonding moment for us. Cause she was like, I completely know where your mind's going and what you're thinking.

1Speaker 1
24:56.86 – 25:14.84

And, oh my God. It just makes me emotional, because I can imagine, as a mother, like, you know, your mom, you can't help but be like, oh my God, like, do I feel guilty? Like, did I like, and it's like, no, no, no. That's it. It was so beautiful that you guys had this like moment where your mom was like, oh, I, actually, I got you.

25:14.88 – 25:28.72

Yeah. I went through this and we were going to get through this and you're going to survive and you're going to be fine. But I also think, just like for daddy gang, I think you're right. Like taking that moving forward is such good advice. Even whatever you're going through to like half the time.

25:28.72 – 25:42.46

I feel like people have no idea how to handle a situation, because the person coming to them, especially if you're emotional, most time, people are like. I have no idea what this person wants me to say. Yeah. Am I supposed to freak out? Am I supposed to get-?

2Speaker 2
25:42.72 – 25:44.10

Do you want me to validate you by being like hysteric?

1Speaker 1
25:45.28 – 25:57.42

And that is a way like for a partner or a family member like to be able to tell people, especially. I feel like sometimes men, this is what I need from you. Okay. I think it helps people. So that's, that is such great advice.

25:57.42 – 25:58.64

And thank you for sharing that.

26:15.54 – 26:22.12

So you told your mom, and when did, how long did you think about, like deciding for the mastectomy and everything?

2Speaker 2
26:22.42 – 26:22.78

Mastectomy.

1Speaker 1
26:22.96 – 26:23.92

Mastectomy. Sorry, mastectomy, sorry.

2Speaker 2
26:24.14 – 26:25.68

Yeah, I'm going to cut my balls off.

1Speaker 1
26:25.68 – 26:31.06

Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. You don't have a penis. Okay. How long did you wait? Like, how long did it take?

26:31.12 – 26:32.70

Like the two years you think for the mastectomy?

2Speaker 2
26:33.50 – 26:35.82

So I haven't gotten one yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's confusing.

1Speaker 1
26:36.04 – 26:38.70

I just mean like when you decided, like I can't do this anymore.

2Speaker 2
26:39.02 – 26:52.74

I think like after like a year and a half, of like doing three separate, like going to like get three separate tests. At first I was always like, I don't know why my mind went to like Angelina Jolie. Like I remember, like back in the day. I was like, wow, like she like, it was like a statement. Like I feel like it was like before.

26:52.74 – 26:56.98

it was like a thing. Like she did, like a preventative, like mastectomy. to like, and like my mind went.

1Speaker 1
26:56.98 – 26:57.90

I kind of remember that too.

2Speaker 2
26:57.98 – 26:58.34

Yeah, uh-huh.

1Speaker 1
26:58.62 – 27:01.94

Wait, that's so, cause I, you're kind of right. When I think of that, I think of her.

2Speaker 2
27:02.02 – 27:23.26

Me too. So like, I was like, I think that's something like I want to do, but like a bit, I've never had a major surgery. So like, that's, just like daunting and scary. Um, but after the third time I was like, I don't want to do this for the rest of my life. And like, I don't know exactly when I'm going to decide to like have this surgery, like, probably within, like the next, like few years.

27:25.20 – 27:26.68

But that's the route I'm going to go.

1Speaker 1
27:27.06 – 27:49.32

I mean, I thank you for sharing, because I can only imagine how taxing it is on your mental health. Like you said, sitting there, like, and how isolating, like, as much as someone can sit there and hold your hand, like your boyfriend can be there, I can be there, like it's your body. And I can't imagine how terrifying it is in those moments to be like, please, for the love of God, come back. Like. I don't have cancer.

27:50.56 – 28:56.38

I think also something that you talked about, that I think is important to highlight for anyone listening today, is like, I think that most people who may, and maybe this is like, you know, I know this is like a privilege, but I do know, like, obviously like even Planned Parenthoods and stuff, like women, I think it's like a terrifying thing for some reason for us to like, go and just get checked. And I think there's a lot, there's a lot of reasons why some women wouldn't, like whether you've been like, whether it was like sexual abuse and you don't want to open yourself up to someone like going into your body, whether, like, you're just not, like, you didn't get the tools for education to like, know, you should do this. And like the amount of women that I've even seen. sometimes being like, I've never been to the gyno is like, it's terrifying. And anyone listening today, like, I promise you, it's more terrifying if you find something out because you avoided the gyno than like go, like you said, there's amazing doctors that will sit with you and hold your hand through the whole process, but, like, don't avoid going, because it's like anything in life, the more you push it off, the worse something could be getting.

28:56.58 – 29:27.36

And, like, you owe it to yourself to take care of yourself. And like, sure, doctors can be annoying with the way and like a little insensitive in moments, but not all doctors like that. And even if they're insensitive with the way that they deliver information, you can take that information and go find a new doctor, but at least you have the information and you have autonomy over your own body and your decisions. rather than like leaving it up to fate and being like, I don't wanna look, I don't wanna look. Like, please, daddy gang, if you haven't, like, you should always be going to your yearly, you should always be going to a doctor.

29:27.36 – 29:34.64

and, like checking and making sure you're good. You should do breast exams on yourself. Like, I think, for a while, like I remember, I went through a period.

2Speaker 2
29:34.64 – 29:41.64

I don't know why, even having like a mom who had like breast cancer and a grandmother and an aunt, I was like, I didn't even know how to do my own self breast exam.

1Speaker 1
29:42.10 – 29:51.66

Me either, I never did it until the past. Like, I think, honestly, since this with you, I never would fucking do a breast exam. I think, I don't know, it feels awkward and you're like, I don't need to do that. Like, wouldn't? I feel something?

2Speaker 2
29:51.68 – 29:52.76

And it was like, what am I looking for?

1Speaker 1
29:53.44 – 30:14.42

You'll know, but you should be doing that. So you kind of mentioned that the doctor was like, this is so incredible that, like you found this out early. And obviously I know you, you are like the most, like Lauren McMullen, you are so fucking brilliant and smart. And I, anytime I'm like, oh my God, if there was anything medical, I would obviously go to you. I'm like, tell me everything.

30:14.46 – 30:25.82

Cause I know you're gonna read everything on it. But, like you said, that's not everyone's experience. Like, do you have any advice for anyone that maybe is terrified and to even start this process and like, is maybe avoiding it?

2Speaker 2
30:26.28 – 30:56.66

I think the way that, like, I like viewed it is like, this is something that, like, I have no matter what. And like, just like really framing it is like the fact that, like, I know, is so lucky and like a privilege. And like, now I'm the one in control. And like, now I'm the one who has the ability to be preventative and like be on top of it. And my gynecologist was telling me, like, and I totally get how like this would be some people's reactions that, like, some people like, get this testing and they see that number, whether it's a check, two or the BRCA.

30:56.80 – 31:06.50

And like, they're so paralyzed that they're just like, I can't do anything about it. And like, I think just my advice to that would be like,

31:08.96 – 31:11.72

I know like, it sucks and I'm so sorry.

31:13.80 – 31:21.28

But like, and it sounds so fucking corny, but just like knowledge is power. And like, you have like the tools now to like.

1Speaker 1
31:22.02 – 31:34.92

Save yourself and save your life and live. I think that you're right, Lauren. It's like, yeah, it's like opening that can of worms. It's so terrifying. But, like you said, like now, you have a better understanding.

31:35.12 – 31:49.56

And, like, when we first spoke, of course, you were like all over the place, as any human would be. Like, what do I do? And what am I, what's gonna happen? And now even, I mean, I think that's also like a part of why we waited to even talk about this. I knew this was something you were so passionate about.

31:49.60 – 31:53.34

We were like, we need to tell the women that listened to the show like about this.

2Speaker 2
31:53.34 – 31:58.16

Get your mammograms, do your breast exams. If you have family history, like, do genetic testing.

1Speaker 1
31:58.52 – 32:03.94

Even if you don't, maybe like, just go to the gyno. Like start the process and make sure that you're.

2Speaker 2
32:04.02 – 32:05.72

Get your yearly exams, get your PAPs.

1Speaker 1
32:05.78 – 32:34.96

Yeah, because, and I appreciate you sharing the story, because I know it's very personal, but unfortunately it's very common. And I feel like, maybe not enough people that aren't like doctors talk about it enough, which I understand, because most people would be like, I don't, I can't speak about it in a way that would like help people and not freak them out. But I really appreciate you because I think by you waiting to come and talk about this for like what now, two years, I think it has allowed you to like.

2Speaker 2
32:35.10 – 32:41.06

I feel like I have more information now. Yeah. And like I have like more tools of like what to do and how to view it and how to handle it.

1Speaker 1
32:41.20 – 33:06.82

Yeah, and it's like your testament to, like, you just said, you paced around the hospital for 45 minutes, like just talking to your therapist, saying a million different things, like worried like, oh my God, is the guy I'm dating gonna be like leaving me? And now you're sitting here today, like speaking to all these women being like, no, no, no. I'm now making an informed decision about my body. I don't know when I'm gonna do it, but I do know I'm gonna do it because I've done my testing. I've been doing it every six months.

33:06.92 – 33:32.22

Like you have a plan, and that is all you can fucking do. So thank you for sharing this, Daddy Gang. We didn't mean to get depressing this week, but I do think it's like being a woman is a lot, like having a uterus. And I think that there's so much, like even just you having PCOS, like it's a whole thing. Cause, like you, what, you tried to go on birth control.

2Speaker 2
33:32.98 – 33:51.40

I tried to go on birth control and my body did not like that. I gained 20 pounds within four months. And oh, that was like, that was like a beast in of its own. Cause, like, I didn't even like, realize, like what was happening.

33:53.40 – 34:14.18

I was like, I was kind of only wearing sweats and like I would maybe only put jeans on like once a week on the weekends, like go out to dinner. And it was like slowly, like my jeans are getting tighter. And then it was like, okay, like, maybe like, I'm, just like, I feel, like I'm always bloated. And then it got to the point where, like none of my clothes fit me. And I was up two entire jean sizes.

34:14.18 – 34:21.66

And like, I had to buy an entire new wardrobe. And that was really hard to feel like my body wasn't my own body.

34:23.40 – 34:46.50

And since I've gotten off the pill and gotten an IUD and like, that's been much better for me. But like, that was an experience of itself, of like, just feeling like my body was just like out of balance and out of whack and not my own. And like having like self-esteem issues. and just like when you don't feel good about yourself, like it affects so many other things. I was like, I don't want to go do that.

34:46.60 – 35:00.16

I don't want to have sex. I don't want to like go to a place where I have to wear real clothes. And like, I know everyone, like I know the classic disclaimers, like I know, like, I probably still had, like a normal body type for people, but like, it just was not mine.

1Speaker 1
35:00.38 – 35:04.86

Yeah. Yeah, and it wasn't what you were used to. And also you're like, I'm not doing anything that would make me-.

2Speaker 2
35:04.86 – 35:13.16

Yeah, that was the thing. Like. I didn't change like my workout routine at all. I didn't change like my like eating regimen at all. And I was just like, what is happening to my body?

1Speaker 1
35:13.44 – 35:43.64

I think that, like PCOS is so common and it's so fucking terrifying. Like you said, like when you're like, I'm literally doing nothing, but my body is changing before my eyes and I have absolutely no control over this. And for you, like birth control didn't work, but the IUD is working. Like, again, it's, I have such empathy for all of us. Like I said, like we started this conversation because I remember when I called you from the like other thing that I was going through for that procedure.

35:43.88 – 35:57.28

And then, like, with this stuff, it's like you just sit and you feel like the only people that you can connect to in these moments are women. And I love Matt so much. And he's like, oh, I'll cancel my, like my meetings. And he wants to come to the gyno with me. And he's like, I'll just sit in the lobby.

35:57.36 – 36:11.92

Like, I wanna be there for you. And they're so supportive and they're amazing, but like, no one understands this, like women. And it's terrifying, but I think speaking about these type of things is the way that can, hopefully we get one woman off the couch today to be like, you know what?

2Speaker 2
36:12.26 – 36:13.60

I'm hitting my gyno up.

1Speaker 1
36:13.70 – 36:31.70

I'm going to the gyno and I'm going to make my first appointment in so long, because the scariest thing is not knowing. And it's scary for like a little bit to know if there's bad news, but then, like you said, Lauren, then once you know, you can fucking do something about it. If you don't know, who the fuck knows what you're gonna wake up with?

2Speaker 2
36:31.74 – 36:38.14

With the PCOS and, like the birth control, like the moment, like I had a reason, I was like, thank God. Cause, I was like, what is happening?

1Speaker 1
36:38.46 – 36:48.68

Right? Like answers. help your mental health process things. When you're like spiraling, you could be thinking it's 19 million different things. So thank you for sharing, Lauren.

36:48.74 – 37:07.24

I can only imagine how many people are going to write into me and I obviously you don't have social media. So I will be screenshotting and sending all the DMs. Everybody flood my DMs and send Lauren love for sharing her story. But thank you for sharing, because I know this is going to help so many women. And it's like me even saying that is like underrated probably what this is going to do.

37:07.30 – 37:08.36

So thank you. I love you.

2Speaker 2
37:08.64 – 37:10.28

Love your daddy gang. Check your boobs.

1Speaker 1
37:10.82 – 37:12.86

Check the boobs to save the boobies.

2Speaker 2
37:13.50 – 37:13.82

Bye.

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