#2003 - Killer Mike
2023-06-28 02:39:30
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Mike! What's up? What's happening? What's up, brother? Good to see you, my friend.
Man, it's always good to see you.
I played your shit in the gym today. It was awesome. Thank you. The new shit is awesome. I love it.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, man. Thank you.
By the way, I should tell you also, you are. the Run the Jewels playlist is the playlist we play at the club before the show gets started to hype people up. Thank you. And that is credit to Tony Hinchcliffe. And this is years ago.
he said this to me. He goes, Run the Jewels is the fucking best music to play before a show.
Thanks, Tony.
Because everybody gets hyped up.
Yeah.
You know? And then it's just, it's perfect. It's like a lot of energy. It carries you right into the show.
Shouts out to my rap partner, LP, who's like, probably like chilling in his vacation home with his puppies right now. I love that, too. I love L, too. And he's a great guy.
He's talented as fuck, too.
Him and his wife, Em, man. Shouts out to them and their dog. Yeah. I don't even know what to say. I'm just honored to be a part of that group.
And if Run the Jewels is like the X-Men, I tell people this Michael album is the Logan origin story. Oh. So, the badass, swaggering, black motherfucker in the group, you get a chance to see the true story of what became, like, how he became, who he is.
So you did this at like, you had a concept when you created this.
Mm-hmm. At nine years old, I just wanted to be a badass motherfucker rapper, right? I just wanted- Nine years old? Yeah. My mother was 16 when she had me.
So you got to think about it. Disco and rap, disco was fading out and rap was fading up. So that's what she was playing around. She was playing like Houdini, Curtis Blow, shit like that. You know, it was like.
I liked it, but they still dressed like disco people. They still dressed like my mom's band. You know what I'm saying? And then I get a chance to see Run-D.M.C. And at first I saw the Fat Boys.
I'm like, oh shit. Yeah. Like I'm chubby. They're chubby. They're fresh.
And then I saw Run-D.M.C. It was over. I'm like, I'm in. And I told my mom, I'll never forget. I'm just like, mom, I want to be an MC.
And she had a joint. She was like, fuck it.
That's what we're doing.
So shout out Denise, man, for believing.
That's amazing advice. Obviously. Nobody can deny that's amazing advice.
I have a theory that if a child is given the confidence to know that they're competent early enough, there's nothing they can't accomplish.
That's absolutely true. And also children need to know, and this is a very difficult thing to say, but it is true. If someone out there is doing something, you can do it. Don't let anybody tell you any different. If someone out there is a musician, if someone out there is an artist, if someone out there is an author, and people tell you it's too hard, don't listen to those motherfuckers ever.
It can be done.
It can be done.
100% can be done.
Now, you got to figure out doing it. Take this jacket off. I want to stay cool. I want to tell kids, you got to figure that part out. My mom didn't buy me studio time.
She didn't put me in. She was just like, motherfucker, you want to rap? She'd bring me in front of friends, rap. But by the time I got 13,, 14, I'd figured out how to get in studios and stuff like that. My friends would take me and shit.
Now, my older homies would take me. So now I got it. But, you know, I just tell people like kids, man. Jordan Peterson said something. He said boys don't get to be, they don't learn because we're putting them in this box.
And we're saying learn, and boys don't learn like that. They learn by being out. I believe that with all kids, but especially little boys, you got to let their imaginations just go fucking crazy. And my mom was good about that.
That's amazing.
So, shots out to Denise. God bless the dead, man.
Yes, sir. Yeah, boys need exercise, too. They need to run around. They're filled up with testosterone, and they're little maniacs, and they're turning into little men, and they have new powers. I mean, you know, when you're a 16-year-old boy, six years ago, you couldn't fuck anybody up.
Now, all of a sudden, you can fuck people up. This is like a whole new gift you got from the universe.
That's usually when your dad has to slam you on your back one time to let you know, like, grown man strength, it's still a lot more.
Yeah.
I got a picture of me and my high school principal. Where is it? He was like a Joe Clark-like figure in my life. Like, Dr. Hill, if you're out there.
Well, I know you're out there. I know you're going to end up watching, but I love you, old man. There's a picture. I was 16.. I never realized how much taller than him I was.
So, that's me with my arm around him.
Oh, wow.
And all those little guys around her. So, like, that was the crew, the posse. It was like Allen Temple posse. And I always wanted to be a little asshole because I grew up in the houses. I wanted to fight and shit like that.
He, at some point, just decided that this kid is smarter than he's acting. So, let's do this. He'd come get me out of Spanish class, out of his Blaze class. He'd make me stand next to him at lunch and eat my lunch. So, pretty much everybody knew, you know, he's the principal's guy.
now. Don't go fucking around. So, all my homies that were just on the bullshit in school were just kind of like, we'll see you after school. And it really helped change my direction in terms of where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do.
That's amazing that he knew to do that. That's the value of a really good educator, as opposed to someone who's just doing that job. Someone who really looks at a kid and goes, I think I can steer this young person in an amazing direction.
Man, the old man, I'll never forget. He brought me into his office and he said, you know, he said, you know, Michael, I'll never be a doctor or a lawyer in the sense of a medical doctor, a lawyer, engineer, all these things. But it really touched me. He said, but I'm going to be all those things through you and the students that I have here. And when I tell you that, man, that high school was a national school.
It had only had two principals at the time, Dr. Butts before him, who was my mother's principal at the same school, and then later me. Now, since the principal, they've had multiple principals in the school. It's kind of fallen, but they got a great principal over there now, a female principal who, me and T.I. are very involved in helping the school, kind of return to glory.
But that man changed a lot of lives. He put a lot of people through that school. 1995 NCAA champion, Cameron Dollar, his dad was a coach there. He went on to UCLA, won the NCAA championship. Chief Judge Asha Jackson, you know, Dean of Technology at Georgia Tech, Raheem Beah.
All these people encountered this man, and he put a lot into it. That's incredible. I love him and I thank him for it to this day.
Yeah, people like that are so valuable in a kid's life because just one different perspective, you don't realize even when you're saying it, I guess, probably that the kid's going to have it that way. I had one science teacher that was really good, and he was an interesting guy, like Vietnam vet and just kind of hard-nosed sort of dude. And this was a bad city.
That was Dr. Hill.
I was in Jamaica Plain, which was, it's kind of a gentrified now, but back then it was a very low-income area outside of Boston. Gotcha. And so the school was rough. Like we had 17-year-old kids that would show up the first days of school because they had been back, I was 13,, and so there's kids that had failed four years in a row and they're still like, let me try one more time.
Yeah, we had some 21-year-old graduating seniors.
So there was that kind of shit, right? And this guy sat in front of the class and he said, if you ever really want to hurt your brain, he goes, go outside at night and look up and realize there's no end to that. And you take that for granted and you think about it, you know, you're just kind of, just accept that space is above you, but you don't really think that that goes on forever. Think about what infinity is, that. there's no end to that.
And I remember being in that class, being 13 years old, I'm going, holy shit. Yeah. Nobody ever said that before. Yeah. And I've been obsessed with it ever since.
Yeah. I definitely feel you, like you, and you, like I, had a lot of great teachers. And some are still my teachers. Mr. Murray, who was an art teacher, but now teaches his former students to grow their own food.
And he makes you come out to his yard and plant and pick when it's picking season. But he was one of the first people that kind of pushed me to think past, whatever your limits were. But in terms of science, man, Ms. Wilder, when she helped us understand how vast the universe is, her and Ms. Smith used to be like, oh shit.
Like when you think about an ant or a gnat in comparison to how big you're looking at them, it's that times infinity. When you start seeing yourself as, man, I'm really small, because human beings kind of think of ourself as owning and having everything. But once you, it humbles you to understand that you're just a speck.
How do you balance that out, though, with the braggadocious style of hip hop?
I mean, you want to be a bad ass motherfucker, man. You know, you want to let the world know. I was here, you know?
And people love that. Yeah. That's the thing too. Even people that it's like, that's the beauty of art, right? Because even people that are on that path of, of humbleness and recognizing that we really are just a very small part of this insanely huge thing.
Yeah. They still love some good hip hop, man. They still love it.
Hip hop is like I told people about Michael, right? So Michael is a story of this nine-year-old working class, black kids, life in a black enclave in Atlanta. My whole world was black. So I was never not confident. I never worried I would be held down because all my heroes and villains look like me.
But I tell people, once you get past the fact that I'm black, really it's just a story of a working class kid in America who just lives totally amongst the people he looks like. So working class people, I think we need just that. sometimes, you know what I mean?
I think people love to have community. Yes. That's a giant part of being a human being. And most people today, you know, especially people that live in cities where you're stacked in apartment buildings, they don't have our traditional sense of community.
They don't, unfortunately.
I don't think it's good. I think it's real bad for us.
It's scary that that's the only thing that scares me, I think, about the net is that we get so caught up in whatever we think behind this and just anonymously talking to people that we never have to disagree with people across the table. And then, after the disagreement, still remain comrades, allies, friends, or community members. And I think we should get back. I've been advising people, like on political shit, to just ignore the national soap opera. Who's going to be the next president and focus on the very, very small thing of what are my neighbors to my right and left thinking about and get 10 and 12 people, 15 people in a living room and discuss your street versus discussing world affairs.
Yes.
And have that spread out. Yeah. But you have to keep an eye on the criminals. You got to keep an eye on the criminals. Then that's what I always wonder about.
Like, when they have like a UFO report and they're saying, well, we've recovered, crashed UFOs. Like really, or are you in the middle of some crazy multi-billion dollar scheme that I need to know about?
Well, when we know about the criminals, we still don't do shit about it. Right. So that's why I'm saying like on a, on a hyper local level, you know, you know, I got some crazy theories, but on a, on a hyper local level, just kill them and let the hogs eat them. You know?
Yeah. That's what they used to do.
If you know who's molesting and raping kids in your community and you know where a hog farm is, you can fix that problem. Yes. You know? And that, and that goes all the way up to the top. And I remember landing in London years ago, hearing about the radio DJ there that had, um, that had just been absolutely atrocious in his lifetime.
And they brought out the paperwork that said he was actually building children's hospitals.
Oh, that's that TV guy. What is it? Jimmy Saville.
Jimmy Saville. Yeah. And there was a woman in parliament. He did. Right.
He looked as fucked up and freaky.
It was terrifying.
But there was a woman in parliament that had promised to bring the other people to justice. Nobody's ever been brought to justice. And before we get to judge Midland point, you know, only a couple of people got brought to justice with Epstein.
Not really.
Exactly. Not really.
The only people were the two people that were involved. Exactly. Traffic. Yeah.
So, but, but as opposedly as the public, we've never said, where's the fucking list?
Where's the fucking list?
So when I say locally is, you know, you might, can't, you know, if we wanted to do something, we could, but for whatever reason, we're, we're, we're like elephants in a circus. We could destroy the whole tent, and somehow we've been trained not to. So the thing for me, it comes down to where's the hog farm, and how local can you keep it? You know?
That's it. Where's the hog farmer? Yeah.
Maybe start farming your own hogs. Yeah. Joe and I were just having a conversation about how hogs are actually eating human beings. Oh yeah. So, you know, I'm just, I'm just going to say, if you, if you know a good hog farmer and you know some evil people, make sure they meet one of them.
Yeah. That's in the movie snatch. Yeah. Remember that English dude? I love that guy.
Yeah. Hence the term greedy as a pig.
Yeah. Those motherfuckers eat people all the time. People like have heart attacks and fall down, and the pigs just consume them.
Yeah. I was telling Joe about my cousin who went on a hog, a hog hunt, and the hog decided it didn't want to get ate. They do that. He ran him off a tree. He had to shoot the hog from the tree to kill it.
Yeah.
People don't have a firearm on them and they bow hunt them. I've seen them get rushed. Yeah. They'll slice you up too, man. They run past you with those tusks and just rip your legs apart.
Yeah. Pigs ain't stupid. They know how to fight back. I'm seeing whales fighting like back. Yeah.
Orcas, I've always admired. They've always been my favorite whale. Yeah. Because they like, if you watch them, they live in family pods. I watched them like chase a seal onto, like a piece of broken ice.
Yeah. And teach the young ones. They move it so the seal comes down and then they stop and let the seal climb. so the seal thinks it has a chance, but they're teaching the young ones to hunt. And I say there's only a matter of time before they say, yo, I'm fucking tired.
Imagine if they found out about SeaWorld.
Exactly.
Imagine if they had phones and they could call from marine land.
And we don't know if they have it. You know, because we know, you know, we don't know what, you know, they can communicate in terms of sound waves, we can't hear. We don't really know what they know. But if whales and they're attacking boats, somebody's made a cell call. Somebody's.
The only way that it makes sense that that would make sense is if there's somehow or another, there was like, I don't know where SeaWorld is in San Diego, but if it's close enough to the ocean where their sounds could get out.
Yeah.
I mean, who knows what they can say? Because we don't even understand their language. We know they communicate.
And we know they understand parts of ours. Yeah.
Yeah. Do you ever read anything about John Lilly?
Nah, I wasn't about him.
It's a fascinating story. John Lilly is the guy who created that sensory deprivation tank that I showed you earlier. John Lilly was also a pioneer in interspecies communication. Okay. He's a legitimate scientist.
And he would take acid and try to communicate with dolphins. And one of the things that he did, this guy was out there. Lilly was out there. Fascinating guy.
I'm smoking weed, trying to talk to my poodle at home.
Well, it's like you are kind of talking to him, though. They kind of know when you're happy. And when you're loving them. Yeah, they know. There's something going on there, right?
So Lilly funded this study, or directed this study, where they had this house. And half of the house was filled with water. Gotcha. So the dolphin would live with the researcher. And so the researcher, the woman who was the researcher, was trying to get this dolphin to speak human language.
And it can't because it doesn't have lips. Gotcha. And so it was a failed experiment. But in order to get the dolphin to pay attention, she had to jerk him off. Because dolphins are so horny.
They're like, I don't want to give a fuck about it. Hi.
I'm trying to fuck. It's kind of like a man. Yes. All right. Lord knows, after I get pussy, I'm more willing to listen to whatever she got to say.
Like, yeah, your boss is a fucking asshole. Thanks for the blowjob.
In all the animal kingdom, I'm sure, there's an imperative to breed. That's how the species survives. And dolphins, they live in this world of sharks. I bet they have a crazy need to breed. They're probably horny all the time.
And so they found this got out in the Puritan instincts of these people that didn't understand science. They decided that we're going to put a stop to this. This is inappropriate. Instead of saying, well, it's actually like some sort of bodily maintenance. It's also inappropriate that you have a dolphin in a fucking house that's half filled with water.
That's way more inappropriate than jerking off the dolphin. Jerking off the dolphin is the only nice part about that. The rest of it, you have a prisoner for no reason. This is true. No reason.
And it might be as smart as you. We don't even know. They have a cerebral cortex that's 40% larger than a human being's. We don't know what kind of intelligence they have.
We know they saved human beings. We know they jumped on that lady on YouTube and humped her.
They obviously are thinking.
They fight off sharks. They keep sharks away from people sometimes.
Orcas actually kill sharks. They eat them. They roll up next to great whites and turn those motherfuckers upside down.
They go right for the liver. Interesting, they eat their liver.
So the liver really is healthy like that.
Finally, taking his penis in my hand and letting him jam himself against me. Eyes closed, body shaking. Then his penis would relax and withdraw. Right. She jerked him off.
That sounds like, well, I didn't really jerk him off. I kept my hand there and he just sort of fucked my hand. But I kept my eyes closed and I hated it.
I let him hunch me.
Listen, she probably had an intimate relationship with this.
White people are amazing.
That guy, though, you see what he looked like? He was a real freak. Duncan told me, and I need to know if this is true. Because Duncan just brought this up in the green room the other day. John Lilly at the end of his life was, he had done so much drugs.
He would take ketamine, intramuscular ketamine and get in the isolation tank. He immediately did acid. He did everything. But at the end of his life, apparently he had a party over his house. He'd gotten a boob job.
So he gave himself fake breasts. And he was watching porn in front of all of the guests of the party and jerking off. In front of everybody. And I was like, what the fuck are you doing? He was that gone.
I need to know if that's true. This is an important one. Duncan was describing it the other day in the green room and he's always right. I'm sure he found a nice book where this anecdote would be.
That's even iller than your guy who Johnny Depp played. Who was your guy Johnny Depp played? Who lived with the Hell's Angels for a while and did drugs?
Oh, Fear and Loathing. Hunter S. Thompson.
That's even harder than Hunter S. Thompson. I thought he had an adventurous life.
Yeah, well, I need to find out if it's real. He was a psychedelic pioneer who was also an academic. And he was exploring these drugs in a very hardcore way. And ketamine in particular, I think.
What does ketamine do to you?
Ketamine is very closely related to PCP, believe it or not. But it also has therapeutic applications. They use it for therapy. People take ketamine and they go through guided therapy sessions. It's very common.
And it's prescribed. It's legal to have a ketamine session.
What do you think about the ayahuasca?
Ayahuasca.
Shout out. Love and respect. I just won an Emmy. I just won an Emmy, thank you, with Scott Carter. Scott was one of the co-founders of Real Time with Bill Maher.
Shout out to the OG at CXI Carter. But he was telling me about the ayahuasca and he had done it. Ayahuasca, right? He was telling me about that. Well, I'm speaking Ebonics, my bad guys.
Ayahuasca. But my wife just said to me, hey, I want to do that. And I was like, I don't, but I'm with you. I'll go sit with a shaman. I'll smoke weed while you fucking go through your head and hallucinate.
I think all legitimate psychedelics under guided circumstances, with the right person doing it, if you are of sound mind, you can get something out of it. The problem is, some people are not of sound mind.
Yeah, I don't think she has sound mind. But if she wants to do it, I'm going to let her go for it.
Like, cure. whatever the fuck is wrong with her, too.
My mind is fucked up. Like, I know I got dark shit buried. So I don't necessarily, you know.
If I'm not in a good mood. Right. You know what I mean? I don't like doing anything. And I don't drink.
I drink whiskey a few times a year. But yeah, man, my imagination is crazy. So I'm just like, I wouldn't really want to see what's causing all this shit.
I think that's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it, it might let you see it through fresh eyes.
And relax. There's a history of schizophrenia in my family. Oh, okay. That's another reason. I'm just kind of like, maybe I don't want to open all those doors.
There's some evidence that, especially like high dose edible weed. Yeah. That it can trigger schizophrenia.
I've heard that. In young men in particular. Yeah.
It's somewhere around like 25 or something like that. It starts popping off for a lot of guys.
My doctor told me to stick to the flour. And I think, mostly just because he's like, you're fat. You don't need to eat anything.
How much calories are in a 250 milligram Chibachew? It can't be a lot.
Shout out to Danny Brown, who lives out here now. Danny gave me the most powerful alibi I've ever had. That sounds right. Yeah, Danny gave me some shit. Me and L ate in Europe, and I'm just like, whoa.
I'm like, yeah, I'm not fucking with Danny. Danny's got Richard Pryor tolerance.
Danny's a funny dude.
He is a good, smart guy.
I tried to get him to do standup. I wanted him to do five minutes at one of my shows. Because he wants to do standup. He's thinking about doing it. I'm, like, you're, perfect for standup.
If you want to do standup, they're going to make you do it. Ryan Davis, who's an amazingly brilliant comedian out of Charlotte. Ryan is basically just like my brother. now. Ryan is like, hey.
I told him, I said, man, I think I could do it. I want to do it. He said, if you come to my fucking show, I'm making you get on stage. And I'm like, ah, bullshit. So I go to his show, motherfucker, makes me get on stage.
I do, I do, I think maybe nine, maybe 11 minutes. I said, what'd you think? He said, you were good. You should have did seven minutes. You would have been great.
I've done it once. I haven't done like my friend T.I. And actually just plunged myself into it. But I want to do it. I like comedy.
You can tell a lot more truth.
You definitely can. And you definitely could do it. And you would figure it out pretty easy. You're already doing it, kind of. Because you say funny stories all the time.
It's just like a sharper, more edited version of that.
I'm going to fuck around.
Yeah, you should fuck around. It gives you an opportunity to mock things in a different way, too. Like really stupid shit. Like you could really pick it apart on stage. Yeah.
Well, I found out that all the shit I wanted to say to Shay, I got away with on stage. Shit that I never got away with in the kitchen. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I actually got to call her bitch on stage.
Shit that never works in the kitchen. In the kitchen, she would have fucking stabbed me. Shots out.
You could tell when a relationship with a comic and their significant other is going bad with the kind of jokes that come out on stage. Because they're having those conversations that they would never have in real life. In real life, they're all quiet. On stage, they're like, bitch. Yeah, it's funny.
You could really see it.
I'm going to try it. I like comedians as I've grown to know more of the community. You guys are amazing. You're an amazingly tight-knit community, too.
We're a tight-knit community. It didn't always used to be that case. Really? The internet opened it up. The internet changed it because before there was a supply and demand thing.
There was a lot of haters. A lot of people, when some person would make it, they would get angry. They'd be upset that it wasn't them. Because if you were a comic in the 1980s or 90s, if you got a sitcom, that was a role that I couldn't get. If you got a host of a show, that was a show I could have hosted.
Everybody was on this famine mentality.
Rappers used to have that. Comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah, I love that quote. You can't do that. I remember I felt a tangent envy for a half-second once and I checked myself and said, stop.
Don't fucking do that. Don't give in to that. Don't do that, because that'll defeat the rest of your life. Because no matter how much you achieve, someone is always going to be doing something different or better, or something you perceive is better than what you wanted to do. And if you don't do the self-check, you'll never get your blessings.
I'm 20 years into a career and I have come out with what people are calling arguably, not even arguably, this is the best album. My wife called me Friday. She was with me. She said, Happy Resurrection Day. This is the start of your next life.
This album. Because you've never done an album like this, this personal.
That's a heavy statement. Happy Resurrection Day. That's beautiful.
But if I would have been sitting around thinking about what didn't happen 20 years ago, I would have never gotten to Run the Jewels, which happened 10 years ago. It was our 10-year anniversary. We think about this. 10 years ago, me and Ellen are mid-fucking 30s. We meet through Jason DeMarco from fucking Cartoon Network.
We do my album, Rap Music, which is 11 years ago. Then we do Run the Jewels. We go on tour. For the last decade, my whole life has been a blessing, simply because I didn't say, Damn, why didn't it work for me solo? I was just like, This is what it's supposed to be.
You've got to know that, whatever it is internal, the divine thing that's in you has a purpose and a plan for you. If you look at other people's plan and purpose, you're going to fuck up your own. If you think, Why not me? You're going to fuck up your own.
It's also an inefficient way of using fuel. Because those same people that are killing it, if they make you feel bad, like that envy that you have, that does zero for you. But with the same experience of seeing someone kill it, if you get inspired and choose to work harder and realize that there's other levels and appreciate their work. Really, appreciate it. Because it's very hard for artists, especially when they're struggling and they're coming up, to appreciate other artists' work.
You've got to be able to say, God damn, that was good. And you should say it to them.
You absolutely have to. It's like, Man, it's nothing like steel, sharpening steel. I can't be. no wack rapper. My friends are too good.
I'm friends with T.I., G.D., the big boy, Dre. I'm friends with fucking, my man, I'm sorry, I'm just a little stoned right now. But we were just talking about comedy. When you got Danny Brown as a homie, Danny will fucking go on stage, make people laugh, come out and write a 64 bar verse. It's just like, Man, I got to do it.
You got to invite better people into your life. People that are better than you. I tell people all the time, Kobe Bryant was my absolute favorite basketball player. And people sometimes misinterpret what I'm saying, he's better than Jordan. And I say, it's not what I'm saying.
But what I'm saying is, it's one thing to look at a guy like a God. Michael Jordan's a God. Most people just want to worship the God, do the best they can. Kobe knew, it'll be impossible, but I'm going to try to defeat the God. I'm going to try to, and when you get that mentality, you can't lose.
Even if you never achieve the God status, because you've tried, therefore, you become Hercules. Like Hercules couldn't beat Zeus, but fucking he had to try.
That's it.
Yeah, and knowing that someone like Jordan out there, though, when someone comes along, every now and then, in any sport, someone comes along and just elevates the level of performance to this extreme extent, where everybody has to recognize, oh, you're in the Mike Tyson era. You know? Before Mike Tyson, people have to understand what was going on with the heavyweight division.
It was dying.
It was not good. And everyone was sad, because Muhammad Ali got beat up by Larry Holmes. He never gave Larry Holmes his just due. Larry Holmes was a wicked boxer. He was wicked.
He had one of the best jabs of all time.
But he was killing a legend.
That's what people were. They liked him a little when he beat up Jerry Cooney, and then they liked him a little when he came back to fight Tyson. He fucked around. He found out. That was Tyson when he was Tyson.
In his young 20s, when he was just unstoppable. Bad ass. When he knocked out Larry Holmes, it was like, what am I even saying? Is Larry Holmes laid out?
Is this real? And he said he did it in part because of the Ali thing. He was still angry that Larry had beat...
I think Ali was in his corner. Oh, shit. Yeah. I think Ali said something to Mike in the corner before the fight. See if that's true.
I think Ali was there.
Mike is one of the wisest warriors, too. Oh, my God. I don't know if it's because of the lisp or what. People tend to... They try to qualify Mike as not as intelligent, or they used to.
But his wisdom, the simplicity of the wisdom that he implies to especially young men, I think, is valuable beyond measure. Beyond measure.
Yeah, and also, you know... See, so Mahali was in the ring with him. I mean, that right, there is heavy. That right, there is very heavy.
Ali probably told Larry, my boy gonna fuck you up. Fuck him up. I'm like, gotcha.
Imagine the inspiration when the greatest of all time comes up to you and you're in your young 20s, and he wants you to fuck this guy up for him, and you can. And you can, because this is Mike Tyson back then.
It's all... Look at Larry. Larry probably didn't even want to be there that night.
Larry, he did, though. That's the thing, he did.
At the time.
Yeah, I was about to say.
I don't think he got the big paydays that he deserved, because I just don't think people liked him. And it was just 100% because of the Ali thing. If there was no Ali, if he beat the guy who beat Ali, instead of beating Ali, he would be another huge, applauded heavyweight publicly. But he is in boxing circles, at least. People who know boxing appreciate Larry Holmes.
He was awesome. But goddamn, this fight. This fight was Mike, when he just moved, different than anybody ever. Anybody. that...
It was like Jack Dempsey times 100, you know what I'm saying? It's like what he did with the bobbing and weaving and the way he would close the distance. It was very unusual. And look at this, you can't really prepare for all that movement. I mean, who the fuck can move like that?
Yeah, Customado knew what he was having, that kid.
Customado found him when he was just 13 years old, man. And, you know, it was the first thing that he ever did. that gave him, like, real joy. And people loved him. And people applauded him instead of hated him.
But goddamn, dude, he was so scary back then.
That hook from up under is something that Mike just did.
Nasty. Hook to the rib cage. I mean, he just kept coming at you, man. Kept coming at you. But the second round was where Larry started to get his jab off.
And it was very interesting. Because you realized how, I mean, this was Larry, you know, I don't remember what year this is. Maybe 90 or something like that.
I think he's 38 years old.
Yeah, he's 38 years old at the time. And he's also, you know, no steroids. back then. He didn't have anything. You didn't have peptides.
Guys didn't really know how to recover, like they know how to recover now. When you're that age, you were kind of done. Yeah. He had more soft around the midsection. You could see, he just doesn't look like Larry Holmes when he was in his prime.
But you get to see that jab, dude. That jab, that left jab.
So he gets loose somewhere in the round. And it drops his hands. Look at that. That right hand they just planted on him. Dude, Larry Holmes was so legit.
This was just too late for him. It was just too late for him to be having this fight.
I look tromplath.
Yeah, that's funny. So, no, this is it. when he starts getting loose with his jab. Now, oh, no, that's the KO, son. What would you have before that?
I just skipped it between the round. Oh, okay. So the third round or the fourth round, this is it right there. So this is it. This is it right here.
Look how loose he gets with that jab. He started getting loose and swinging his jab left and right. Look at that. Popping it out there. Look at that jab.
Dude, Larry Holmes was a bad motherfucker. They just didn't fight in their primes. Mike was in his fucking prime. And even then, even in their primes, Mike would have probably got him. Mike was special.
It was different.
A lot of times, because of the ducking and bobbing, you were only hitting the top of Mike's shoulders. You weren't getting clean shots to the ears or the chin.
And he could take it. That was the other thing about Mike.
He's built like a bulldog, too.
His chin was insane. And his neck was insane. Because one of the reasons why a guy gets knocked out is the head rotates. And you can protect that with neck exercises. So Mike was one of the first boxers.
Does eating pussy count as a...
Straight up. So if you get caught cheating on your wife, just tell her you're training.
Yeah, put like a weight vest on your head. Yeah, get it. Yeah, boom.
At this point, Larry's ready to go. He's like, alright, it's time to go.
He's in trouble. Oh, my goodness. Oh, with that right hand. Oh, that left hook. Larry's still up.
This is the end. Then a right hook right after this. Boom, right there. That is crazy.
Yeah, Larry's like, fuck that. It's been a day.
It was just crazy to watch him get knocked out.
It's a temple shot, too.
And he had fought so many big hitters before this. Early in his prime. He fought Ernie Shavers, who many people say was the greatest puncher of all time.
Was Shavers as fast as Mike? No. Big hitters, if you watch them, a lot of them were motherfuckers. But Mike was fast.
Hurt a lot. You don't have the seconds to step back and recover.
I don't think Mike had the one-punch knockout power that George Foreman had. But I think he had speed like a middleweight. And that's what was crazy. He was just swarming. So this is Ernie Shavers.
And Shavers was a bomber. That dude had just wild power. He wasn't the best boxer. He was strong. But he was a very good boxer.
But his fucking knockout power was tremendous. And his power is weird. Because if you look at the two of them. Oh, look at that knockdown. I mean, that's how hard Shavers hit.
Check this out, dude. I mean, this is boom. I mean, my goodness. So Larry Holmes had a crazy chin. The fact that he survived that back then.
And he couldn't survive Mike.
Yeah.
But it's also, 38 years old. Like for fighters, they don't want to believe. it's over. And it's over. It's over.
You got like nine good years. Like a world class fighter. Like an average. Some guys can stretch it out to 15, 20 years. Some guys, it's amazing.
Jim Miller just had, I think he first fought in the UFC in 2005..
Hopkins was mean. Bernard Hopkins was.
Oh, he was the best at that. Because he was so technical. Well, that's why, when you see him fight Roy the first time. Roy beats him with just pure speed. And athleticism was just freak of nature that no one had ever seen before.
And Hopkins wasn't quite at the level Hopkins eventually became. Then, when they fought a second time, when they were older. Hopkins decisioned them pretty easily. And it was a different thing. Because Hopkins had perfect defense.
Everything was perfect. There was no unnecessary speed, movements or anything. Everything was very tight and disciplined. Tight and disciplined.
So what do you think? ultimately, for fighters? I mean not just entering fights. Just for fighting. Do you think being controlled and disciplined is better?
Or just being crazy, talented, with speed and power?
I think the most important thing is technique. Above and beyond everything. Because someone with very good technique will beat someone with freak athleticism. If they don't have good technique. They'll leave holes.
They'll get caught. Technique is everything. But if you have freak athleticism and technique. Then you have a Michael Jordan. Every now and then a John Jones comes along.
Every now and then a Khabib Nurmagomedov comes along. That has insane technique and freak physical abilities. And just super human discipline. That's the most important thing.
I think I realized Michael Jordan's secret watching. I don't know if it was just a show about him or his documentary. But they show where his brother showed up for practice. And was just fucking around playing with the team. His brother is much shorter than him.
But that fade away jumper. His brother.
I was in the movie with his brother. And you could tell his brother had to adjust his game. Because he was probably playing shorter dudes. So he couldn't just shoot a jumper. He had to do a fade away.
It looks like to me. Mike took his brother's techniques. At his height. Because you could tell he studied them. That Mike's game developed.
When I meet him. You see that?
Did you just see that shit?
How many times you see, Mike, do that to another player? Watch this. Wow.
And punish motherfuckers. Look at Larry.
Look at that.
Larry slams, like Dominique.
Wow.
Damn. That's his fucking brother.
That's a great sparring partner.
And you know your big brother is going to talk shit to you. The whole run.
Well, the youngest guys are usually the toughest. And the family of boys.
Because they get beat up the most. I got hung on doors as a kid. I got locked in fucking closets and shit.
Yeah. There's a bunch of MMA fighters that had older brothers that beat them up.
Just beat the shit out of them.
And then they're like fuck you. And then they learn how to fight. And then they're not scared of fighting, because they fought every day of their life.
That's beautiful. My daughter, Mikey, is 16 this year. I told her sister. I said we're going to take some boxing classes this summer. I told her you're strong as a bull.
You've won a few fights. I don't want you just fighting because. So, fuck it. I don't have PE during the summer.
Yeah, that's what I worry with her. I'm just like. I just don't want to get a call. you've beaten somebody. Fuck out of here.
Well, kids get aggressive. Yeah. And if they don't have control of that, it's not good.
Well, she grew up with all boys. So it's less about not having control. That's how boys solve problems. Right. Yeah, you get mad.
she's going to the backyard, beat the shit out of each other. Then you're playing again. So she grew up with her big brothers and cousins. Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah. That's great, until somebody shoots somebody.
Yeah, God bless the problem. But with that said. I think that. I think we should probably be the people who are gun owners and shooters. Just go out as a family.
Take a shooting day. The Olympic skeet shooting thing is right around the corner from a place that I own. Some buildings and stuff. And I said, man, we got to go out and check that out. I've never checked it out.
I've never skeet shot before.
It's, I think, firearm safety is like the most important thing.
It is important. And bleed classes. Shots out the dock down in Atlanta. Former army guys, a black guy. So there's a place called.
there's a guys called the Black Packers. I'm in Atlanta. Shots out to my man, Kota and King General. down there. They were in a bar, met, talking just about what blacks needed for survival skills.
Skills, just skills that were kind of being lost, with the old South kind of dying out. So they put together a hiking club gun club. that type stuff. Shots out to. you know the Bash Reeves gun club and Naga.
But they they introduced bleeding classes. So before you even learn how to you know, proficiently shoot, they're like you need to learn how to stop in case of an accident. Which I thought was just brilliant. So part of their learning gun culture is learning how to save yourself in case you accidentally shoot yourself with someone else. So you guys look up the Black Packers.
You know and join them. You know people should join. you know where I'm from. I'm talking to people where I'm from. Join the Bash Reeves gun club.
Join Naga. Get some experience. so you don't just let the news tell you what to do. Yeah. Get outside, walk around, shoot shit.
Yeah. That's very good advice.
Yeah.
Yeah. During the pandemic, I think hunting went up radically because people started thinking like wait a minute. Like food isn't guaranteed. No. I should probably at least know how to do this.
Yeah. You don't want to figure that out while your family's hungry.
I got a call from DJ Swift. Outkast, DJ. Cutmaster, Swift. And there's an old man that lives on the corner of the main street that leads to subdivision. Old man has a beautiful garden and shit.
And we knew the old man. you know, ate deer and shit. But we didn't know that he was actively dressing animals in his yard. But he called Swift like I got a deer over here. I don't know if the deer got hidden or someone had shot and couldn't.
And it got in his yard and he just couldn't find it. But Swift is like man. I'm out here with the old man. We fucking cut the deer. He's gunning it right here.
And I'm like what the fuck.
So shout out to Swift and the OG man. You know it's still going. This is in the city of Atlanta. Oh wow.
I had this gardener who was really cool. He was from Mexico. And he was actually a gardener when I bought the house. And the guy said hey, he's a great gardener. And so I hired him too.
Yeah. And Jose would go back and forth to Mexico. Like he would say I go when you, coming back. He's like well, you know. I got to make my way across.
You know, so we'll see. Oh shit. I'm like, I don't even know what that means, but okay.
So does he disappear or you just pop back up?
Sometimes he would. He was a fascinating guy. He would fight chickens. And they had like a hundred roosters in this dude's backyard. And they had like the whole pit and they would gamble.
And they were doing one of these things and they cooked a goat. They killed a goat and cooked it.
Yeah.
And the health department came after him. Because the neighbors are complaining. Why? That they butchered an animal on their land. On their yard.
But what are you supposed to do?
Exactly. And he was so confused. And for him he was so confused. He was like but I did it all right there. It's all clean.
I know the animal wasn't sick. It's okay to buy meat. But it's not okay to do it in your yard.
That doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make any sense. But I think it's a visual thing.
There's a famous clip of me. I think, on Dr. Boyce Watkins. One of his conferences for black people to get better empowered and stuff. And there was a lawyer who I have respect for.
He's done some good stuff. But he was essentially just telling people to kind of push back against the police. And I'm just like if you're a 15 year old boy. Your mission is to make it home. So you just, even if you get arrested.
Shut the fuck up until your parents come to get you. But do not push back against cops. That's not the thing to do. Unless it's time for the revolution. for real.
Everybody's got the notes. This is the day it goes down. And you know people are counting. Because it feels good to kind of hear the rhetoric. But I'm just like yo.
how many of you guys. I live in this neighborhood. I've lived in this neighborhood all my life. How many of you guys actually like have a garden. Right.
How many people fish or hunt or know how to dress and kill young food. And they got less and less hands. I'll say y'all ain't ready to revolt. Shit like no disrespect, anybody. Few people got upset.
And some greens. Become selfish. Because that way you don't need. Government or any or grocery stores, anything. You know, I'm just like yo.
There's one house. In a neighborhood that every, say. Two out of every five houses used to have gardens. And literally chickens in the back. There's one house in this one neighborhood.
I see this man and woman. They run their yard every day. Meaning, they get out. Running jog. They have at least eight goats.
that I've counted.
And my wife and I drive down that street. Just to remind ourself. Motherfucker, if it ever goes down. These are the people you want to knock on the door and say hey. You know what I mean.
We'd like to join up with you. You know what I'm saying, in whatever way. Because they're really ready. They're really ready.
Well, that's what most people should strive for. You should strive for water from a? well. You should strive for some sort of an off grid electricity system. If shit goes down.
Like if you have a generator at your house. If the power goes off. The generator can kick on and turns your fucking house back on. That's a good thing to have.
Very good thing to have.
It's a game changer. Especially in the summer. But there's a lot of other things. You should learn how to grow food. You should learn how to cook.
You should learn how to make fires. You should learn how to hunt and fish.
Follow the Black Packers. You guys go to Instagram. They're regular folks. That were just regular folks that taught themselves. My sister, who grows a garden levy.
She was the wild one. She liked going to clubs and drinking and shit. when she was young. I never thought she'd be the one that ended up like my grandmother. Because my grandmother grew food.
But I'm just like yo, man these skills. If you got them, you got them. No one can take them from you.
And you know where your food is coming from. If you're growing all your own vegetables in your garden. If you're all your chickens that you eat. You know what they ate because you fed it to them. I mean, if you're eating like that.
That's way better for you. If you're slaughtering your own cattle. If you make deals with the neighbors. I give you a quarter. You give me some corn.
We work out together. That's what people used to do. That's a normal thing.
And there's still things out there like that. There's a West Georgia Farmers Collective. I know I'm saying it wrong. There's a West Georgia Farmers Collective. I want to tell people out there, my focus is hyper local.
So if I say shit you don't agree with, that's fine. If you're not in Atlanta or Georgia or Alabama or some shit. I don't give a fuck.
That's where you can essentially get your food and your cows and stuff from them. It can be that local. You don't have to wonder where the chickens and cows and stuff are coming from.
Well, where is the Will Harris Farms? White Oak Pastures? That's in Georgia as well, right? How close is that to Atlanta?
I had this dude on. I watched him talk on television. They were asking him a question about Bill Gates. They were asking about was it you know. Is it bad that Bill Gates is acquiring all this farm land?
It's a little scary. What a Fox News. And so they brought him on and he talks very slow and deliberate. And he's a regenerative farmer. And the news people were like you got to fucking pick this up.
So I was like I got to have this guy on. And it was one of the most fascinating conversations I ever had. It's way down south near Alabama.
Oh, wow.
So that's pretty far from Atlanta. How far is that from Atlanta, like a drive? I'm sure. Dalton, Alabama is right there.
Which Alabama? Dalton? Oh yeah, that's not. I mean it's about halfway in between. Yeah, Dalton is easy enough to get to.
Dalton is where I worked my first UFC.
And Dalton, Alabama? That's when the UFC was still on the Chitlin circuit.
Yeah, the UFC. We used to fly in propeller planes.
I looked at some of those old UFC fights man. When it used to be like total midget. It's like a fucking sumo versus a midget. That's what the damn thing is. Or a little person.
That's what a midget would be.
That's why you gotta say little person.
Yeah, I'm catching up. I'm learning. No disrespect to all my short folks out there.
What the fuck was, I just gonna say?
We were talking about UFC, propellers, flying in, Chitlin circuit.
Oh, no, White Oak Pastures.
White Oak Pastures okay.
If you can get your food from that guy.
I'll reach out if you guys got a number.
Yeah, I think they sell in all supermarkets and shit. Oh, that's dope. They got a giant regenerative farm. And what they do is they just rotate where everything goes. The cattle, they shit, they eat the grass, the shit is manure.
My great grandmother taught me that.
It works.
My great grandmother talked to me about. they only grow certain things for a certain amount of time. And then they move, and that plot of land would be something else. So yeah, she taught me. I was a little kid, so I didn't really quite understand the concept.
But now I've gotten older. Oh, I get it.
Well, what he said is that you're recreating nature in a controlled environment. Yeah. That's kind of, I'm paraphrasing, but I think that's what he's saying. Like, this is how it was supposed to go. Chickens' eggs are supposed to be dark orange.
Yes. Like that almost blood red. orange. Because it's healthier, it's filled with more nutrients. Because they're out there eating bugs.
Yeah, I remember my friend's eggs aren't white. Them thinking I was bullshit. Because I went to, we used to get sent like to Tuskegee. Yeah. And the chickens down in your great-grandmother's farm, they weren't white.
And you'd have to come back and tell kids like, no, eggs aren't white.
Yeah, they're not white. That pale yellow of most eggs is a chicken. that's malnourished, probably. And you watch a dark orange one, man. that's what it's supposed to look like.
And even the yolk is more orange and they taste different. But yeah, we got it.
Chickens are ruthless motherfuckers, man.
Man when you hear people say chickens fighting like, man, if you ever like, in the deep south, similar to the place in Mexico, cock fights still exist. Not that I've been to any for federal agents out there. But when you're young you get to see roosters and chickens fight. If you go on a farm, you get to see those motherfuckers go. They're nasty and they don't play.
And they'll come at kids. They don't give a shit, they'll go for it. And you know, it gets crazy when humans get it because they put razors on their fucking shit and it gets ugly. But just to watch too. Male.
anything in nature tends to at some point need to prove itself to another male. But it's interesting watching. You always think of chickens as kind of chilling, laying eggs, but those are the gals. Those guys get fucking.
You don't think of chickens like that when you have them.
No.
Because when you have them, you see how mean they are to each other. And then when you see what happens when they see a mouse.
I've never seen them see a mouse. They go crazy.
Oh, my god. It's the craziest thing you've ever seen. They run at that mouse at a speed that you didn't know they could move. And they just all try to tear it out of each other's mouths. Wow.
Yeah, they tore it apart, like instantaneously.
That's fucking crazy.
It's crazy. There's a bunch of videos of like a cat spying on a mouse. And this chicken comes running in and snatches the mouse away.
It just goes fucking nuts.
It fucks it up right in front of the cat. You've never seen this? You need to see this because most people have a distorted idea of what a chicken is. Those motherfuckers are little dinosaurs. That's the energy for the most part.
For the most part.
So look, the cat's playing with the mouse.
It's just fucking with the mouse.
Watch this chicken come in and storm the castle. As soon as the chicken sees that mouse.
This is the same video? Yep.
So the cat's still playing.
The cat's just having fun.
Okay, this is where I've seen it before. So the cat's just like, oh, I'm having a good time. This chicken is like, what? Oh shit. Give me that fucking thing.
Oh shit.
Look at it. Look at it, tear it apart.
Fuck you. Oh, wow.
Bro, it, tears it apart.
That's insane. They love mice. I think it's their favorite thing to eat. I've never seen them react like that before. Wow.
The way they went after that mouse. You hear the frog eating? Was that you?
Oh, this I saw a few days ago. This is crazy.
Bro, this is wild.
Look at the mouse holding on like, no bro, don't eat me. Oh, it's a rat.
It's a rat. Bro, he just eats them.
That's not the one that I post. Oh, so there's a bunch of them. So it's an Asian bullfrog. Live feeding. Imagine the hell that these rats live under.
They're just trying to figure it out. And there's no answer. There's no answer to this.
It's a monster. A giant mouthed monster that can swallow you in one bite. Yeah, it's a rat.
And they're jumping.
And there's a camera on you. So the end of your life gets mocked on a stupid podcast.
Look at this. Look at this motherfucker. Keep it going.
Can I get you to toss me the box of tissues you got over there?
Oh my god, look at this. Here it goes. Look at this. Watch him eat it.
It's a rat.
It's disturbing. Just gimme, gimme, gimme. I mean, that's like a cartoonish animal. I think it's the fingers. It's the fingers.
And what's crazy is, you tend to think that animal's soft because it's round. But it's a lot of round shit that you would call fat. that'll fucking kiss it. It's the hippopotamus effect.
Look at him stuffing the tail in his mouth. Spaghetti.
And all the other mice are like, no, bro, not me. next. He's just swallowing it.
All he does is swallow it. And that poor rat is just stuck inside his guts.
Being digested.
How many rats chew through the guts? Rats are pretty tough.
The New York City rats are amazingly tough. You guys up in New York City, gotta... They're the size of cats, actually. I think they could... I think they could...
I'm gonna give people this. To. black people who call other black people coons is an insult. If you've spent any time in the South, you know raccoons are actually tough motherfuckers.
Tough and smart.
Brilliant and will attack.
They have little fingers, too.
They're not very afraid of anything. So, black people, we gotta come up with a new word to insult each other. Because raccoons are fucking warriors, bro. And they're not like... You should probably just call each other possums.
The raccoons fuck dogs up. Fuck them up.
We got told a story from this old L.A. gang dude. Apparently, a dude was literally taking a raccoon around to dog fights. Winning dog fights with this huge fucking raccoon.
Oh, my God.
When he told us that, me and my brother G. Davis, man. Shout out to Gerard Sales, Atlanta, man. On the internet. I promise, because people think I'm bullshitting.
Hit Gerard Sales, Atlanta DM and ask him. The guy told us about this shit. This motherfucker was taking raccoons to dog fights. Winning thousands of dollars.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, raccoons ain't... So did they weigh the raccoon? I don't know if they weighed him, but the dude... The way he was describing the size... Like, I've seen big raccoons.
I saw a raccoon once.
But I saw the motherfucker. And then one or two others popped up. I'm just like... We'll just go around the other side. I don't feel like fucking fighting raccoons.
Not interested in having a raccoon run up on me.
Yeah, yeah, they might be rabid.
I bought a blowgun once at a carnival. Yeah. Because I had raccoons that were fucking up my trash. When I was living in New Rochelle, New York.
Gotcha.
And I put the blowgun out the window and wait for the raccoons.
Look at this motherfucker.
Jesus Christ, he jumped down on this dog.
Not afraid of it at all. Not afraid of it at all. Should be able to destroy it, it seems like. Well, it's like a little badger, man. Yeah, man.
They're like a badger in a lot of ways.
Look at his fight stance, though. I mean, he's prepared to stay balanced.
I mean, that's a ferocious little animal.
Yeah, and when it's a bunch of them.
You know what it's like? It's like an effeminate badger.
You know? You know what I'm saying? Like the posturing of it.
It's like a badger's gay cousin that can fight like fuck.
Yeah, a badger's cousin. He does ballet, but when he was little he learned how to throw hands. Fuck you up.
Yeah, straight up.
Let me shout out. There's a club. My daughter goes to the club now. My mom actually went to a gay club on what was Simpson Road, called the Marquette. And it was where gay black kids, you know, poor working class kids that went for just dozens and dozens, like decades, right?
But I always tell people that, you know, just assume you can fuck with the gay kid in school just like.
No, no, that's a man.
That's a guy, man. He'll beat your fucking ass. You know what I'm saying? Don't let it fool you. So those kids at the Marquette that have been partying since my mom was partying at my daughter's party, those kids are prepared to defend themselves.
So, you know, all that bullying shit never flew in school.
It's also stupid. At this point in time, you got to realize it's something you're born with. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with it. So what's the problem?
I remember when I was a child, when I was a kid, and he was, he was like, hey, people always been here. Always. I remember him telling me, he said, what'd you do? He said, he said, we knew little. Richard was gay.
Who didn't?
His song was Tutti Frutti, Good Booty. It was hilarious to me. But I was just, my grandfather. just, it was just like, what the fuck are you talking about? And that's what it made.
And I have two gay uncles. God bless me. with two dads, and both of their youngest brothers were gay men. And my Uncle, Vint, and God bless my Uncle Carlton, was some of the biggest influences in my life.
They were encouraging me to do entertainment. That's awesome. And they could also fight. Their fucking asses off. My Uncle, Vint, Lord knows we had some battles.
We put a hole in my grandmother's wall and she made us fix it. And that's when I realized, like a fucking 10 year old kid and a gay boy probably aren't as good as fixing this wall. But we had to, we had to dry, she made us do the drywall and shit. And we didn't fight inside anymore. We just took our fights outside.
But I love my uncle to this day. He's married to Lee.
One of the worst knockouts in the history of boxing was a gay man who was being taunted by his opponent. Wow. And he kept calling him a fairy and saying all these things about him. And it was Benny Perrette. Benny Perrette and Emile Griffith.
Yeah. And Emile Griffith beat him to death.
He killed him.
Beat him to death. And it's a horrific beating. And Emile Griffith was a champion too.
It was a title fight. But Emile Griffith, who's just a wicked boxer, he got him in the corner and he started beating him where he was like trapped by his punches. Like he was hitting him so hard that he was like literally keeping him in place to take more punches with the force of the punch. Like lifting him up. Like here it comes.
Here, boom, boom, boom. So now he's got him in the corner.
Oh.
And watch these right hands. He's like literally keeping him up. Boom, again.
You can see the sweat coming off his hands.
Here it is. He won't let him fall.
Look at his head going back.
I mean that's it. And he died.
Wow.
So he slumps and he's gone.
Wow.
And that's the very rare death in ring situation where you really beat someone to death.
You got to be careful of the buttons you push with people.
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