2) License to Kill

2024-03-26 00:45:23

<p>Imagine you were a fly on the wall at a dinner between the mafia, the CIA, and the KGB. That’s where this unprecedented story begins. A journey through the dark world of Russian intelligence where, for the first time, a professed “sex spy” tells her story. All of it. </p> <p>Host Neil Strauss (Rolling Stone, The New York Times) brings listeners into the dangerous world of sexpionage, where enemies of the State are not the only victims. So too are the spies themselves, brainwashed to believe that their bodies belong to Russia and meticulously trained to become “the perfect weapons.” Who is Aliia Roza? From the creators of the hit podcast series To Live and Die in LA, this is To Die For.</p>

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Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona.

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And I'm, Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world.

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We cloned his voice using AI. In 2001,. police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode. Before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere.

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Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed.

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Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.

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Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice?

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Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

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Warning. The following episode contains explicit language and sexual themes. Listener discretion is advised.

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There were some difficult decisions to be made. after meeting Aaliyah Rosa. When I researched her online, there was not a lot to find. However, there were a few sources supporting her claims to be a Russian spy.

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I'm about to introduce you to a real life, I guess you could say Red Sparrow. She was trained in the KGB style arts of seduction, persuasion, and manipulation.

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Then there were sources saying this.

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Everyone in LA is creating a narrative to further their own careers. Hers just happens to be absolutely outrageous. And also a film that's already been made. So yes, she has lied to my face.

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I wondered what the truth was, and how do you even go about officially confirming someone was a former FSB seduction agent.

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After I watched these, Aaliyah did give me photographs and documents, and even let me speak to one of her former colleagues in Russia. But even the authenticity of these can't be proven. I also wondered something else. How much of some people's skeptical response to Aaliyah comes from the fact that she's a woman presenting herself in a glamorous way online and selling information products. After all, for the men at the table on the night I met Aaliyah, what was the proof that my friend Johnny Jr.'s family was in the mafia?

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Or that my other friend really held the high position he claims at the CIA? Best-selling author Chris Voss has made a career out of being a former FBI hostage negotiator. And he also sells information products online.

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I was an FBI hostage negotiator. That sounds like a cry for help, doesn't it?

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But he's a man and wears a suit. So I called him to ask how often he's had to prove his identity. Here's his answer. Show like credentials or prove that you were a former FBI agent.

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Um, I haven't had anybody challenge me.

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So I made the decision to sit down with Aaliyah and do something no one has ever done for her before. Give her a safe space to share her full story. And to not just listen to it, but listen to truly understand and to support her telling of it. And then we can look at it all afterward. In order to do this properly, especially after what FBI agent Robin Dreek told me in the last episode,

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Because basically, she's human trafficked is what she is.

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I took and completed a course in trauma-informed, interviewing and consulted with everyone, from intelligence agents to trauma counselors to social justice professors along the way. So let's just listen to Aaliyah's powerful story over the course of these next episodes. Find experts, agents, and even targets to better understand the hidden world of Russian seduction spies and experience what may be one of the most unforgettable and disturbing accounts I've ever heard. Note that, for privacy considerations, alterations have been made to certain names, identifying features, and locations. Listener discretion is highly advised.

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Hello, everyone. My name is Aaliyah Rosa, and I was a former Russian spy.

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My name is Aaliyah Rosa, and I was a secret service agent in Russia.

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My name is Aaliyah Rosa. I fled my country due to the last mission. I worked as a secret service agent.

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Cool. Okay, cool. I do it. That's good for now.

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You're a Russian spy. You just take that one. You like it more, yeah? Oh, everybody likes it. In fact, like, we never called each other, like, spy.

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I mean, yeah, we were spying, but it's kind of like, spy is kind of like a movie thing. Like, oh, spy. It's so sexy. But it wasn't, you know, it's just like, okay, we were agents. Even, like, in my diploma and in my certificate, it says, like, agent.

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You know, we don't call each other spies.

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But in fact, they would call it espionage. It's exactly what is spying.

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Is that the reason? In Russia, it's the same word?

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Yeah. It's kind of like spionage.

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Right.

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They would say, like, spion, which is spy. So, spionage.

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Just because people talk about a lot with Russia, were there poisons as well or not?

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Oh, yes, absolutely. We studied all kinds of poisons, yeah.

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Where to put them, basically, where to place them. Like, for example, you can pour some in a water or tea. And how long will this poison affect the body?

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And when the poison will disappear. So, when they would do, when the person already is dead, and they would do, how do you call it in English? Autopsy? Yeah. Autopsy.

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Then they wouldn't find anything. It would be just like, I don't know why this person died. Maybe a heart attack or whatever, like, or maybe something, you know. Just, like, happens.

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I tell Aliyah that it sounds not like a school for espionage, but a school for death.

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It's death. You kind of like, I mean, death is so close. You always feel death that you, okay, so once they give you the gun, and you feel the gun in your hand, okay, so you do understand. You can kill. You have this power.

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And it's so addictive.

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I had to kill you. I'm really sorry, I had to do it. Gotta go on my own.

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You didn't guess that behind.

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I was loading my gun.

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I got you, I tear you apart.

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I had to kill you.

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Was it so much fun?

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We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories. First-hand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Stories about regaining a sense of safety. A handle on reality, after your entire world is flipped upside down.

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From unbelievable romantic betrayals.

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The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him.

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To betrayals in your own family.

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When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath.

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Financial betrayal.

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This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars.

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And life or death deceptions.

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She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me.

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Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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They found my wife's SUV.

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Right on the reservation boundary.

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And my dog flew.

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All I could think of is him going to sniper me out of some tree.

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But not me.

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Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years.

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They won't tell you anything.

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I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues.

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They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed.

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Searching for Robert Fisher.

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One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.

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Do you recognize my voice?

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Join An Exploding House. The Hunt.

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Family Annihilation.

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Today.

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And A Disappearing Act.

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Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

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The President of the United States.

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Good evening. And Merry Christmas to all Americans across our great country. During these last few months, you and I have witnessed one of the greatest dramas of the 20th century. The historic and revolutionary transformation of a totalitarian dictatorship, the Soviet Union. And the liberation of its peoples.

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New independent nations have emerged out of the wreckage of the Soviet Empire. This act marks the end of the old Soviet Union, signified today by Mikhail Gorbachev's decision to resign as president. I am ceasing my activities in the post of President of the USSR.

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And from the White House, President Bush salutes the man who presided over the end of the Soviet Union.

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I was born in the Soviet Union, in the USSR, the country which doesn't exist anymore. My parents are coming from Central Asia. According to my DNA, I don't have any Russian blood inside of me. But Kazakhstan was part of the USSR. And when, in 1991, the USSR was dissolved, my father and my family, we ended up living in Russia, in Moscow.

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So we had our, like, citizenship of Russia, but yet we have our heritage coming from Central Asia.

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I was born in the family of a high-ranked officer of the military army. My father was working on the Department of Domestic Security, protecting the city and the country from criminal gangs coming from former USSR countries. His father was a national hero, fighting against the Nazis in the Second World War. And being a little girl, my dad would bring me to the main monument in Stalingrad, and he would show his father's name written on the wall with other heroes. At Stalingrad, German forces were locked in a deadly struggle with the city's beleaguered Red Army defenders.

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In the terrible battle, half a million Nazi troops were killed, wounded or captured, and more than three quarters of a million Russians.

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Being a little girl, I remember I looked at my dad going to the work, wearing this uniform, and every single evening, when he would come back home, he would take me on his lap, and he would tell me that I also should protect people one day, and also would serve military one day to protect my country and my people. I was so proud of my dad, and I was so proud to be his daughter, and I just wanted him to be proud of me too.

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And so, from a young age, Ilya began receiving intense physical training from her father. Home became boot camp.

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From six years old, every day he would push me to do exercises, push-ups and all this stuff. He would give me, you know, very heavy weights to lift, and he would tell me, okay, so two kilometers is like, I don't know how many miles, like, okay, you have to go, like, with me, with, like, very heavy stuff in my hands. And I would be crying, and I would say, I cannot do it, like, it's so heavy, and he's like, no, you do it, you cannot give up, do it. So I didn't have any other option, I had to go with him, follow him, and just slowly, slowly, I became a really strong girl.

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Physical strength and endurance were not enough for Ilya's father. He also trained her to be strong mentally. When she came home from elementary school, Ilya would sit on the floor at her father's feet while he taught her his unique lessons.

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The most important technique which my dad taught me is always stay cold-blooded, always stay very focused on the main goal and never be emotional. And you have to train your mind where, wherever comes any stressful situation in your life, but you always stay cold-blooded. For example, if something would happen, I don't know, my toy was broken or something, I literally was not allowed to cry, so I couldn't be emotional. I could cry only in the night, so nobody could see my tears.

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And then, one day, when she was 12,, Ilya discovered her passion.

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I remember one day we were driving, and we were driving through the forest, and he said, would you like to try to shoot from a gun?

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And I remember the first moment I took a gun, and it was heavy and cold, but it was really powerful. He had another gun which was my favorite. It's much faster, it's more effective, it's called Stete. Instead of like Pistolet Makarov, which is gun Makarov, it's kind of like common, everybody using it, but Stete gun is like one of my, it was one of my favorite.

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And I had that excitement that I'm holding this special weapon, like a superhero, to protect other, you know, innocent or weak people.

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Much of the training Ilya received from her father, from shooting guns to hiding her true thoughts and emotions, unintentionally prepared her to be, what they call in Russia, a swallow, or a seduction spy. Because of the connotations of the word swallow in America, it was changed in its translation here to another bird, a sparrow. This was definitely not the type of military work that Ilya's father had imagined for his daughter.

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My father comes from Muslim family, but in USSR there were no religion, so we wouldn't go to, you know, mosques or wherever, or like, keep kind of like traditions. But as a Muslim man, he would be really strict to my mom and to me too. So we would always kind of like serve him, you know what I mean, like serve the man.

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And myself, like, for example, daughters, they have to, when they will marry, they have to be virgin, and before the marriage they cannot have any sexual relationship with anyone. So my father didn't allow me to go out, my father didn't allow me to have friends, not even like boyfriends or whatever, so I was even more shy. So I was not allowed to wear makeup or nail polish, like super short skirts or something like that.

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If I would go out with my friend and I would be late for five minutes, my father would literally beat me with his belt.

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So I was honestly like I was scared of him very much.

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In high school in Moscow, because she was different, Aliyah was picked on relentlessly.

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I was bullied in my school all the time because I was one Asian girl studying with all these beautiful, blonde, blue eyes girls. I had pimples all over my face, I had like big lenses, you know, like glasses. I had long hair, I was dressed really badly because, again, my dad didn't allow me to wear, like, you know, short skirts or dresses. I felt awful and that was my childhood.

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And even though I was physically strong and I could really beat them up, all of them, but I just was not confident and I was just so.

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I was just an ugly duckling.

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When Aliyah graduated high school at age 17,, she went to a university like most of her classmates. However, as soon as she turned 18, the minimum age to join the military, her father did something that wouldn't be possible in America. He stormed into the university in his military uniform, made the administrators hand over Aliyah's records and forcibly withdrew her from college.

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And I remember that moment when he went to the university, he took my papers, literally like that. And, you know, in that city where we lived, he was kind of like a big name. So, he took out all my papers and he said, No, you have to go to the military because this is our life, this is our path, and that's it.

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Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand, accounts of shocking deception, broken trust and the trail of destruction left behind. Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality, after your entire world is flipped upside down.

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From unbelievable romantic betrayals.

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The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him.

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to betrayals in your own family.

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When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath.

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financial betrayal.

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This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars.

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and life or death deceptions.

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She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me.

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Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog blew.

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All I can think of is him going to sniper me out of some tree.

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But not me.

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Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years...

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They won't tell you anything.

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I've traveled the nation.

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. I'm going down in the cave. ...tracking down clues...

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They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere.

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If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed.

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searching for Robert Fisher.

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One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.

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Do you recognize my voice? Join...

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An exploding house. ...the hunt...

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Family annihilation.

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today.

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And.

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. A disappearing act.

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Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

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Warning.

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The following contains graphic descriptions of violence and sexual assault that may be too intense or triggering to some listeners. Discretion is advised.

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Is there anything that makes the Russian military and its culture different than the other militaries you've seen and covered?

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So, in my experience in working in places where there has been the presence of a Russian military, whether that be Syria or in Ukraine, it's just an incredibly brutal military. It's a very menacing...

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This is Holly McKay, a leading journalist who's investigated war crimes and violence against women in Russia, Ukraine, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, and dozens of other countries.

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sort of war crimes that have happened, especially in Ukraine. Just, again, the sort of cold-blooded killing, the treatment of civilians or of prisoners of war is just really on another level that I often have just never seen in my time as a war reporter.

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And mind you, Russian society, it's a very brainwashed society in many ways. You know, whatever the Kremlin says goes. And I think any time you believe that you have the righteous power or that somehow, whatever you're doing is for the great of good, you can justify any sort of horrible behavior against another individual.

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Before we begin the story of Aliyah's time in the military, which is disturbing on a number of levels, this kind of context is important because being a spy or a secret agent may sound glamorous, but not when you're a woman in the Russian military. Yeah, I'm just curious any context you can provide on what it's like to be a woman in the Russian military or intelligence.

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It's about 4.

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2% of the entire forces are made up of women. From everything that I've heard and people that I've interviewed myself, it's just an extremely hostile environment to work in. And I know even with the U.S. military, it's a very hard slog for women. So many face sexual assault.

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But in the Russian military, I want to say that that is significantly, even more intense and even higher.

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One particular woman that I remember interviewing back in 2017, when I was doing some work in Moscow, and she had been a Russian military medic.

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Holly tells the story of this interviewee, who was subjected to continued sexual abuse and harassment in the Russian military and made to serve as what they euphemistically call a field wife to her commanders.

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She was just one example of someone who had suffered so much of that internal trauma. And nothing was necessarily related to the combat. She didn't see combat herself. But just being in that environment for a decade of her very young life, I think it really destroyed her. And I think she's probably just one example of many that once you sort of get in, it's very difficult to get out.

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And there is this mentality of where the military wants to break you. That can be done in so many different ways. And I think for women, that's often manifest itself in sexual assault.

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And it seems that there's a lot of sort of power and control that if you don't comply with this, we're going to ruin your entire life and your future, because this is a career path for the people in it.

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Yeah, absolutely. You have very few levers of recourse to complain about what happened, to file a complaint, to speak to a supervisor. That will destroy you and your career much more than it's going to destroy a perpetrator. So you're better off just to sort of shut up and be quiet about it and try to get through it, which of course manifests itself in trauma in the end. But that is certainly the experience of what I've heard with most women in the Russian military.

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But I personally have never heard of any sort of repercussion against a Russian soldier for sexual assault or rape against a fellow combat troop.

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And so, against this horrible backdrop, we return to Aliyah's story and her internship at the Department of Criminal Investigations, a prerequisite before beginning her formal military training.

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Because of the gravity of what follows, Aliyah's story will be shared in its entirety, as she first told it, without any interruptions. For many like Aliyah, it's important not to minimize or dilute the severity of these types of experiences. Please note that what she discloses here is very graphic and may be disturbing to some listeners.

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The day my dad took me and introduced me to this department, to my future colleagues, my future commander, I remember the day very well. I was confused and I tried to do my best. You know, I wanted to look good, of course, in terms of my intellectual abilities, and I just wanted to be a good employee and good agent, and I was ready to study, and I was really driven. And I had these romantic feelings about my job. Oh, my God, I will protect people.

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I will do my best. I will serve my country. That's amazing. I want to be that hero, like my grandfather was. And in that department, there were about 50 agents, and only me was a female one.

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So all these 49 guys looked at me in the way like, oh, a new meet. And I didn't realize, basically, that I was that, you know, like a deer surrounded by wolves. I didn't realize because I was too young and too unexperienced as a woman.

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Just a few days later, when I was accepted as an intern and I had to start my job routine and I had to just learn and see what is it about and everything, somebody called to our home number. It was 8 p.m., and I was reading a book. I remember I was preparing to go to sleep. My dad picked up the phone, and he spoke with someone, and I heard, yes, yes, okay, I understand. Yeah, she'll be right back.

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She'll be, yeah, she'll be there. Okay, she'll take taxi. She'll come. Then my dad came, and he said to me, your colleague just called, and they said it's a huge murder, so everybody have to come and try to help, you know, to find out killers and murders, so you have to go and help your department. So get ready.

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Do it, like, immediately.

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I came to the department. It was about like 8.30.. I didn't know, right? It was my first alarm ever. So I don't know what's going on.

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And I just saw only one guy there, like one of my colleagues, my agent, who was that time about like maybe 27,, 28,, something like that. And I came and said, hey, all right, so I received the call, and he said, yeah, I called you, dad. I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm ready to do, like, okay, so what do I need to do? He didn't tell me anything, and I was like, why is he so quiet? Like, what's going on?

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And then I looked at the department. Everything was like dark, like no other agents, no lights. Every room was closed, like, you know, every office's room was closed, and I asked him why no one is in the department, like, where everybody? And he's like, oh, everybody's on their own spot, so don't worry about it. And he asked me, do you want a drink?

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I'm like, drink? First of all, I don't drink. I was not allowed to drink alcohol, obviously. Second, like, what drink? I'm like, I mean, we're supposed to work, right?

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And I asked him, like, I mean, like, no, I don't, thank you. He said, come here to that room, because everything is closed. So I entered, like, the room, and I saw a table. I saw a couch, and I saw, you know, a lamp, which was, like, kind of, like, in a dark mode, so it's not too bright. And I saw vodka on the table and some kind of, like, snacks.

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And slowly, I started to think that this is not what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to work. I'm supposed to be on the alarm. I'm supposed to, like, do my job, like, but this is not, like, there is nothing like that.

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I had this thought, that something going on, but I couldn't understand what.

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And he just came to me so close that I could feel his breath, and I understood that he had been drinking. And that moment, okay, should I run? Like, what should I do? I don't know. And then I started to think, wait a minute, how can I run?

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Because he closed the door with the keys, and I don't have the keys. I cannot open the door to get out. Like, what am I supposed to do? Beat him? I cannot beat him.

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He's, like, bigger than me, like, two times. I'm very petite, 110 pounds, and he is, like, huge guy, two times bigger than me. Like, how am I supposed to run? And I mean, like, how am I supposed to escape? And I started to think about it.

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So it's just, like, very quickly and rapidly, like, all these thoughts came into my mind, and I just understood that, like, I don't know what to do. There is no way to get out.

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And he took his hand, and he put his hand on my neck. I couldn't move because he pushed his body on my body, close to the wall, so I couldn't even move anywhere. And he said, so. there are two options. Number one, either you fuck with me right now, and number two, I'll still fuck you, but I don't want to leave bruises on your body.

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And if you think that you will go and complain to your daddy, this is not happening. Because you know why? Because you don't want your daddy, go to jail, right? Don't you? And I'm like, no.

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He said, and you cannot go to police. I'm the power. I'm the government person. You can't do anything. Do you understand?

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And I just nod my head. And he said, okay, so what do you choose? And I said, but wait, listen. First of all, I'm a virgin.

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I'm coming from a very religious family. I don't know anything about it. And he said, well, even better for me.

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That day I had a period. I didn't even use tampons, so I was using pads because I was a virgin. So I said, like, this is not pleasant for you at all. Like, I mean, I have a period. Like, I can't do that anyway.

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I said, like, let's do it another time, right? I'll come another day and we'll do it. I mean, I'm still here. I work here. I'm not running away or something.

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So I tried to call to his logical mindset. To make him to think that it doesn't make any sense.

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And he said to me, hey, what, do you think? you'll bullshit me? Are you stupid?

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And that moment I understood that it just doesn't work.

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He just grabbed my small body.

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And he pushed me so strong to the couch. He just jumped on me. And he jumped on me so hard that I felt that all my legs and everything, like, I'm in pain. Because he, like, basically he jumped on me. And I felt like his bones on my bones.

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And I felt like he basically almost, like, broke my knees.

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I was thinking, okay, so if I will scream. There is no one in this building. So even if I will scream, there is no one really to come.

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And she just looked into my eyes. And she said that, just make it fast. You know, it all depends on you.

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And I started to cry. And he said, like, I don't care if you cry.

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I was wearing a skirt. He just threw away my panties with my pad. And immediately he just tried to put his penis. And he couldn't do it, because I had the Virgin Haman. And I was super dry, of course.

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And he couldn't just basically go inside. And he started to scream at me. He said to me, open yourself. Like, let me in. And I just couldn't do anything.

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And I said, I can't. Like, I was just crying and screaming. Like, I cannot do it. I cannot do it. And he started to beat me.

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He said, I couldn't beat your face because it's obvious bruises. And you have to come to your job tomorrow. And you have to be very quiet about what happened.

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So I know how to beat without leaving any evidences. So he started to beat my stomach. And it was painful. And he said, if you won't let me in, you'll be in pain even longer. I'll beat you till your fucking death.

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Open your fucking legs.

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I just understood that I cannot do anything. And I just had to let him go inside and just rape me.

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The moment I relaxed my body, he rapidly just went inside. And it was so painful. And I screamed. I screamed because it was unexpected pain. And I felt that pressure inside of me.

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And that moment, everything I read in the books or everything I've heard about sex, I was like, wait a minute. This is sex? This is painful and disgusting. It cannot be a pleasure. Like, I don't understand.

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Like, this is so bad.

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He did come quite quick, thank God. And the moment he did come, he just jumped out of me. And I was so,

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you know, I just wanted to run away. And I had clothes all over. My blouse was ripped. And my skirt was somewhere. And everything was in blood.

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He left into the toilet, I suppose.

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And I was thinking, like, I need to get the hell out right now because I don't want to see him. I just need to get out. I don't know where the keys are, so I have to ask him to open the door and everything. And somebody knocked the door. Somebody came.

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And I said, like, fuck, why didn't they fucking come, like, just two minutes ago when he could, like, stop and, like, it was, like, such a bad luck.

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And that guy was still in the bathroom. And he went out. He ran into the opening of the door, and he told me, If you will tell anyone about this, I'll make sure that you'll never see the next day. Do you understand?

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And I looked into his eyes, and I understood that he's not joking. Like, this is not a joke. He's, like, serious.

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And I just, I said, yeah.

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I said, okay. And I just, like, I need to go home because my dad is waiting. I need to go home. Like, yeah, okay. Go.

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I just ran.

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I was so broken and devastated. And I remember when I left the department running back home, the only one thought I had, How can I leave that? no one will notice what really happened to me? Because when I went to the bus, I thought that everybody looked at me, that I just, you know, I just had, like, blood all over myself. And I was thinking, like, how can I hide it from my dad so he wouldn't notice or ask me anything?

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And how can I live with this pain inside of me? I can't cry. I cannot show it. How can I live with this? With this, like, disappointment, right?

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It's, like, everything, wherever I believed, all these romances. And he's supposed to be a good guy in the story. He's an agent. How could this officer, a military officer who protects people from criminal, how could he rape me?

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I told myself that moment that the revenge will come and karma will do the best for him.

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And eventually, it did.

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Aliyah's story continues in Episode 3.

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If you live with wolves, you have to become one of wolves.

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Available now, along with all eight episodes of To Die For, Volume 1.

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. Continue listening for free on Apple Podcasts. For full credits, check out our show notes.

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If you or a loved one are a survivor of sexual assault, you can visit RAINN.

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org. That's R-A-I-N-N.org. Or call 1-800-656-4673 for free, confidential, 24-7 support.

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Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories. First-hand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind.

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Listen to Betrayal weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4
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I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona.

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Speaker 5
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And I'm, Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world.

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Speaker 4
[44:53.12 - 44:54.82]

We cloned his voice using AI.

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In 2001.

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Speaker 5
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Police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode.

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Speaker 4
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before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me... I'm going down in the cave. ...as I track down clues.

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Speaker 1
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I'm going to call the police and have you removed.

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Speaker 4
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Hunting.

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Speaker 1
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One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.

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Speaker 4
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Robert Fisher.

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Speaker 5
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Do you recognize my voice?

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Speaker 4
[45:14.00 - 45:20.70]

Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

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