Steve Martin and Martin Short

Hi, my name is Martin Short and I feel duped about being Conan O'Brien's friend.

Hi, my name is Steve Martin and I feel sad about being Conan O'Brien's only friend.

Fall is here, hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brand new shoes, walking blues, climb the fence, books and pens. I can tell that we are gonna be friends, I can tell that we are gonna be friends. Hey there, welcome to Conan. O'Brien needs a friend. And no, Sona was not just punching me.

I'll damn you shit, man.

What? Yeah, it's just so easy to curse, though. Let's see it go ahead, genius.

I'm being serious.

They're good at cursing. What are you talking about? You're Irish? No, the Irish curse means we have small penises, not that Irish curse.

Hell.

What were you going to say? No, we're going to stick on this theme now. I've used ways to find it. Hell, okay, no, we could go somewhere else.

Shut up skit.

Every single swear you could ever imagine, Oh, you're censoring yourself, but he didn't censor. It's funnier to me that it's just I remember it.

Oh man.

Well, she's going to a better place. Don't shit on grandma's soul.

Oh god.

Oh God, that's like a haunted house Juarez para Los Muertos. You just hear that at night. Well, she loved bad news, too.

Happy birthday.

And I jumped and then I was like, Did you like that? You thought I was hurt for a second? Oh, Moses, thank you.

Thank you, Conan.

In the same room.

I'll tell you one thing it's rare to be here. I left out the word honor, but it's just an oversight.

Just before we started recording Marty, you verbally assaulted me.

No, no, no, no. I said it with love, that to me, when I see you, you look like someone freeze-dried Prince Harry, that's all I said.

My staff looks forward to any time that Marty can pardon me. I have a staff.

Wow, jeez.

What kind of podcast is this?

It's very loopy, I have no idea.

It gets smaller every year. No fans of my show, and yes, there are fans of the work that I've done in the past. Let's not have any mock surprise about that. But they have put together a mashup of Marty coming on the show and ripping Me apart, and it is wildly popular.

Well, it was quite a sight. It was absolutely a terrifying sight. And you couldn't because normally you can't see where the stilts are attached, but you could that day.

Oh, and they were short shorts, yeah, oh, 1970s.

Yeah, Joey Heatherton.

But the writers were so, so happy. And then, of course, the line that just you said it on late night and it's lived forever, which is well, you'll do it better than I. But it was Conan. Whatever you're doing to your face, I say 20 more and then stop, which is mean in nine different....

And yet it's a love letter.

It's a combo.

It's a combo of energy.

I love it's also done with care. You're worried about me, yeah, a little more.

Now I feel like I have to put you down and I've got nothing.

No, you don't, you don't, because you're Steve. Oh, help Lime.

Well, I don't want to embarrass either of you, so I won't mention that you are just two of my absolute comedy heroes. I'm sure you hear that kind of thing all the time and it bores you. But one of the pleasures of my life, and I'm not kidding, was when you asked me to do a cameo in your show, your live show. Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas. I was outside my body, getting to be on stage with you guys, it made me so happy, so legitimately, sincerely happy.

You killed him.

He did kill. I mean, we learned a lesson. You showed up with writers.

One writer I can't afford two. I showed up with my-.

Well, you're a writer, yeah.

Oh, that's true. Yeah, that's true. Well, I suppose I am.

It was, it was inspiring and we've had people show up with no writers, and they did way better, by the way.

And then I heard you guys later bumped into Letterman and he was like, Conan brought a writer.

No, no, because Dave did it as well one night in Texas.

What was the line? You were sitting offstage with Dave and he looked, What was it? You were sitting offstage waiting for him to come on? and he looked kind of morose.

Mm-hmm, this sounds like Dave so far.

What was this?

I can't remember, yeah.

No, it was a-.

I remember he was-.

They edit, by the way.

He had, Oh, okay.

No, no, no, no, oh, not at all. no. An editor costs money as well. Everything is in.

Yeah.

And I'm like, you're David Letterman, but he's done it.-.

And, of course, the place goes nuts. Yes, and then afterwards, he still has a negative feeling about it, even though he killed.

Yeah, but he'd only been off a few, I think this was like in June, and he'd left six weeks before.

Right, exactly, exactly. But his personality is always he came by, which meant a lot to me. Did a cameo on Late Night, which was his old studio, and he came by. And of course, his attitude was well, they're just going to hate me.

I know well, there's a-.

How will they know who I am? That's right, will you say my name before I come out?

There's a self-defense mechanism in being overly paranoid. And then when you get a little cheer, when you come out, you go, Oh, I was wrong.

Yes, yes, I'm familiar with that.

Except with Marty? Except with Marty, Yeah, I think with me, yes. I think it's kept me out of the big money. Not having that attitude of just kind of going, Oh, you don't like me? well, you know what, I don't like you either.

No, he does have that attitude. I'm this insecure, shaking one, and he says, I don't give a fuck, right?

They're going to love me.

Well, if they don't, guess what? If I had dinner with them, I'd be bored. That's how I-.

Oh yeah, well, often that was your opening line, though.

It was, and I didn't know why I didn't play.

Who are you, people?

No one's bathed, obviously. Good night.

Where's my big money? why didn't I get the big money?

Why don't they like me? They didn't ever hire me again.

So I got to see your show and I was so impressed with how you guys worked it out. And even though you both knew the show so well, you had a rehearsal and you were still working so hard to make sure that it went perfectly at rehearsal. And I thought, there are no accidents. People that are good in my opinion. Yes, there is talent, but then there's just this mad desire to get it perfectly right, and it never goes away.

Well, I always think that-.

By the way, I'm here, too. Go ahead, oh.

Did you just sneak into this chair?

No, but I'm always amazed that I feel like I should I start raising my hand?

Okay, well, go ahead, you say something. No, I don't have anything, I had something.

I think we prepare, I prepare out of fear and also love. Because when we get a new joke, I'm energized the whole show. I cannot. It's true, wait to get to this joke. And often they don't work.

Let me just say, when they don't work, I am either on stage or in the wings. I go hysterical. Yes, because he's been so excited all day about this. Go ahead.

I had a joke the other night and I thought when I introduced Marty, I thought, Oh, this is really going to work, right? And then we're going to analyze why it didn't work. Afterwards. Yes, but I said, And this man, he's done live television, he's been in film, and he's done Broadway. And truly, he is a master of the toxic workplace environment.

Uh-huh.

And I realized later it's had too many words in it. Yes, no, no, I don't think it's that. Or it needed to be more of like a casual throwaway in the middle of our chat.

It's also inside Toxic. You had to have just read the story about that talk show,-.

Oh, you mean, be alive?

No, no, no, I don't think everyone is following variety and memorizing-.

Everybody knows about a toxic workplace environment. Obviously not.

We're in one right now because you got nothing on the joke. No, remember that part?

I mean, Conan's shorts represent a toxic workplace environment.

Absolutely for the crew.

Oh, we settled out of court. No, it's just well. I've gone mad trying to just figure out why did one thing work and why did another thing not work? Sometimes something works and you don't know why. It's because I don't know, on the face of it, whether that's. Is that really a funny joke?

One time I was doing letterman and they started to laugh and I didn't know why-.

You mean the show, right? No, no, no.

Oh okay, yeah okay, go ahead.

And they started to laugh, and I said to Dave, What are they laughing at? He said, Nothing we're doing.

That's part of it, Yeah, I think that's part of it.

I think that's you, but I overprepare out of fear because I, I shouldn't have any fear at this point.

I relate to that, I'm afraid, I'm afraid of the feeling of it. Not going well is so terrible. I don't want to have that feeling.

And yet today, you don't seem particularly prepared. Oh, not at all.

No, no, no, not at all. It was you guys. I thought, What are you going to do? This is going to be a mess.

No, I've said this many times. One time. Steve phoned me up 10 years ago and said, Do you have a moment? I want to run some jokes past you? And I said, What's this for you? said, I have Letterman in a month.

Well, I was just thinking about jokes you stick with and they kind of work, but you like them and then you let them have their life and then you take them out. I was just thinking about one, which I discovered because I was looking back through old material.

You know, what happened is the night that the chemist was in town and they were like, you know, actually.

No, they just went. What's he talking about?

Yeah, I was speaking about preparing. I didn't get a chance to tell you this, Steve, because I guess you have caller ID.

You mean, recently? Yeah, oh, that's the only time we've co-hosted.

Yeah, exactly of all the times.

Or was it 40 years ago?

It was last season and you guys did this monologue and it was over, and I've worked there. I've seen thousands of SNL monologues over the years.

So you didn't like my other monologues? I did, no, they were terrible.

Yeah, well, whenever you would come out to do a monologue on SNL, you know, everyone knew that was the time to go get a drink.

Well, here's why.

Use the bathroom, no yours. But it was perfect, it was absolute perfection.

Okay, sorry, may I raise my hand. Yes, uh, so that monologue, we, you know, we worked on it with the writers.

You guys had this, I know it's part of your show, but God, it's a good idea. I care about Steve and I care about Marty, and it's so much so that I've prepared the eulogy already. You know that I'm going to give for you, and you each have them on you and you damn it, it's funny.

Well, the funniest line to me is Steve's opening line when he goes down the stage.

No, no, no, no.

This time for me to talk, remember, narcissism is just within yourself.

No, but I wanted to explain.

I have a pre-story to that and then you can say that.

First of all, I was going to do your line, so you might as well keep talking.

No, no, you do the line. I'm saying that I had this idea that we would do this eulogy, but I couldn't get. I said, I just don't know how it starts, I don't know there'll be some jokes or something. And then actually a writer sent in and and this line.

So the lights come down and it says, remembering Marty and Steve's opening line is, Gee, not much of a turnout.

But it enabled the whole piece because we could get into it with the first laugh.

Right, right, right.

I love it. Occasionally you get someone who thinks, why are they being mean to each other? and and that always drives me crazy.

The funniest thing to me is when we, you know, we doing our thing. And he'll say something, I'll say something, and you'll hear somebody in the audience go, whoa.

I remember one time being on Conan's show and, you know, I insulted him a great deal and then I went to the next I was on. I went to YouTube to see what jokes I'd done and I read the comments below. And people would say, you know, he shouldn't talk to Conan that way, If Conan wanted to, he could take him apart.

We did a piece.

That's a fun person to have dinner with. I know. Why are you making jokes?

We had a. When I was first doing the late night show, we did a piece where, you know, the most beloved, one of the most beloved people. At the time was Mary Lou Ratton, the gymnast. And she's, you know, small and cute, and she won all these gold medals and everyone loves her. And we did a pre tape bit where I think Andy says, I'm saying, I think I'm getting the hang of this late night, the hosting thing. And goes. And he goes, like, you know, you could, yeah, but the other night I thought you, you were a little off.

I mean, I can't believe you didn't recognize my voice.

Mike once said, Uh, Mike once said to me when he we were at this party and he said, Where are you staying? Is it in New York? And I said, the Essex House? He said, No, but really.

I feel like I was lucky in the people that I got to meet. But then I'll look at you too, and I think you got to meet so many more people. You know, you're younger.

Yeah.

You're going to meet everybody. I mean, I. I remember sitting when I was 21 years old and, uh, I was hired to write for the Smothers Brothers, and I was very naive. And now we're all at dinner and Tom and Dick are having telling stories about people, and I'm sitting there going. I have no stories I can't believe.

You met general grant.

Oh my god.

What a fun guy he was. Uh, but I I do think there was that.

You said Mary Lincoln could be pushy.

But now even, uh, you know, just just in the. I mean, there's that clip that I've seen a million times. I think it's, Uh, you on the Tonight show with Johnny Carson, Marty, and, uh, I think it's is Betty Davis sitting next to you?

She had already killed with her three episodes, three segments, yeah, three seconds on the plate bit and everything.

Yeah, she did.

You're making that up, oh, but you, you're mean it. She did kill.

She was, she was great.

Yeah, she was great, yeah.

But I just think, Oh, Johnny Carson is the host of the Tonight show, and sitting next to you is Betty Davis. That's an era of of showbiz.

And I'd never met Johnny Carson, so it was particularly because I loved Johnny Carson, as we all did so much. So that I didn't even do his show for 10 years or eight years or something when I could have. Because I thought, Oh, I'm too hip, I just do Letterman. But the reality I was scared to.

Yeah, well, and people don't even understand the era then, because it's all changed so much. But both of you had this experience where you'd go on, you'd go on Johnny Carson's Tonight show, and you do your your set. And the next day everybody had seen it, yeah.

My observation of that is a little different, but it's too long and boring. But I'll tell you one.

I'd love to hear that.

Okay, well, I've, that's what I believed. You went on Carson and you, then the next day you were famous, right? But I found with myself, you went on Carson next day, nothing.

Well, there's always that, there's always that. Yeah, and I remember seeing a clip. Marty, I could tell you're just slightly different you killed, but you were just I could tell that you're, you're not the Marty.

Do you know what I mean with Carson?

With Carson, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I never got that.

You, I don't care, no, there was a there was a difference between being excited to be on Johnny Carson and then to be slumming it, you know.

Well, there's a certain people I've never overcome my awe, and Johnny Carson was one of them that I always felt a little, you know, I'm hope I'm pleasing him.

Yeah.

You know, but they knew they had card games, yeah.

We played cards together, we had dinners.

That's a famous card game, people talk about that card game.

It was really fun. Yeah, the lesson of that card game is everything changes, I mean, you're having.

What do you mean?

Well, you're having poker games with Neil Simon and Carl Reiner and Dan Milnick, and, you know, Chevy, and then people die, you know, everything changes. I'm trying to bring up the party here. No, no.

But it's.

And we're all going to die too, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Never.

All right, well, anyway, great scene, so.

Shall we?

We're going to roll, we're going to roll long credits.

Hey, what if we just prayed right now?

We just do a group prayer.

I think that'd be very nice.

And hold hands, yeah.

Well, I often think about that, it's almost my. The fact that I get to know you guys and talk to you guys at all is always feels like I'm linking to this very important. I don't know what I would say is, I think everybody has kind of a disdain for their own era of show business and and and reveres.

Well, what we observe and I probably applies to you, the younger comedians like, you know SNL guys that we kind of know, or you know them better than I. Because you're a warm person.

Yeah.

That we assume the you know, like Don Rickles had, you know, with Frank, and yeah. But I see that we have camaraderie with people of our generation, and I see that we see the younger people helping each other. You know, it's a.

Oh, absolutely no. I mean, people like Fred Armisen and John Mulaney and Bill Hader are all close, close friends, and you know them.

I know they, they also have caller ID.

I was talking to Fred Armisen once, I mean, it's probably 10 years ago and he's just hanging around SNL and he said, The latest thing that we this is probably old now.

Fred is an interesting guy because I remember we had it. We were at dinner once and might have been at my house. And Fred was there and didn't say he's hilariously funny guy. But that night, he didn't say anything, he didn't say a word.

I think we were all there, yes.

You were there.

It was a funny guy's dinner.

It was a funny guy's dinner.

I was.

Yep, yeah, sure were.

You said, Funny guys.

You were a last minute addition.

I was the control group.

Polly Shore fell out.

I've been so happy for both of you because you've got this crazy smash hit only murders in the building. And I was initially very, very happy for both of you. And I love the show. And then I saw so much signage everywhere.

I once did an intro for Tom Hanks, he was getting AFI award, and the bit was something like this. I'd say, you know, when I first saw Tom in Splash or on the TV show, it was a bosom, yeah.

Saving private Ryan.

Saving private Ryan.

Saving private Ryan and I thought, Motherfucker.

Can you say that at an AFI? I guess you can, I did nice, very nice.

We can see it on your face, yeah.

If you ignore the tears.

That actually have blood in them. Um, and you both get to be so funny.

We are so lucky to have a hit at this stage of Marty's life.

No, we are.

It's fantastic, you know, and the show's fun to do, the show's fun to do. We love Selena, we love everybody we work with.

And then I, then you guys announced the cast for the third season. And I became enraged. I know, because I was like, you're you have a royal flush, but you're adding some more aces to it.

You've got Meryl Streep, yeah, I'll tell you, I'll tell you a story about Meryl Streep, yeah.

Really tear a new one, yeah.

We were, we were sitting around and we're going to start, uh, rehearsing a scene and our, you know, our head writers there, John Hoffman. And Meryl says, You know, I just want to say how happy I am that we're all here together and working so hard together. And John said, Yeah, I agree, and he said, John, that's her first line.

And it happened more than once. There's a scene on stage where she's supposed to, she's an actress, she's going on stage and she'd trip. And then the second take, she tripped again. There was a wire.

And you realize, we thought she actually tripped.

And we said, shouldn't someone move that wire? And she looked at us and said, Guys, I'm.

And she also, she was supposed to do a song with a with an orchestra, and she'd she'd start to sing. And she goes, I'm sorry, I can't hear the rhythm, and they said, Well, can we? No, that was her, that was her line, that's her line, and it just every time we go, when are they going to fix that rhythm thing? I can't hear it.

I did a thing. It was for Norm MacDonald here in New York, and they had some gathering. And I was, I guess, the MC, for lack of a better word. But I gave the first talk, but I went up on stage and went head over heels. Fall. People thought it was a pratfall, but it was real. And I was, you know, made a joke of it. And everybody thought well and then moved on and then did my thing. And then I think the second person, yeah.

Thanks.

So we could be tripping anywhere.

Now we're going to go trip somewhere.

Hey, we also have Paul Rudd on our show.

I was going to say, and I love that you, you have this show that everybody agrees is fantastic.

Andrea Martin.

And you add, you add Paul Rudd, you know, you don't need Paul Rudd at this point. It's making it, it's too much.

Yes, and Andrea Martin and Tina Fey. Yes, and Jesse Williams.

You know, who wasn't? asked?

Who? Oh, I know who wasn't asked, I know who wasn't asked, because Conan has beady little eyes. They have no light in them.

In the first season, Conan did. Oh, that's Jimmy Fallon. No, no.

I mean, your name, your name came up. Oh, it came up. Yeah, oh good, you can't light the eyes.

No.

Just can't light the eyes.

He's got those Charles Grodin eyes, you can't light them, they're like a doll's eyes. Yeah, listen, you're going to figure out a way to work me into this thing.

Hey, the premise is we're doing a podcast.

I don't know what you'll be playing, but I know the title of the episode.

Oh, yes, here we go.

The circus has come to town.

My favorite thing is getting excited about the nice thing. I'm sure you're about to say, Yeah, yeah, oh good, what is it, Marty?

The absent-minded podcaster.

I love that. Yeah, oh, Marty's got something to say about me. Yeah, golly. Gee, let's have it, Marty.

Or also you can recognize it later that it was an insult, Marty said. The nicest thing about me, he says. I was a total idiot.

That's right, you're about a podcast. I have, you know, the podcast, please, that's not me talking, that's, you know, podcast magazine.

Absolutely yes.

Incredible, you reminded me of a joke. I don't know why we're doing a show next weekend, so these jokes are going through my mind. It was Marty would talk about me playing the banjo, which he always insults, of course.

Well, you have that great joke. It has deliverance. What is that? Oh yeah, I hope I didn't just ruin it.

What is it? Touring around with Steve is a lot like the movie deliverance. It's all fun and games until the banjos come.

Yeah, you kindly had me to your apartment once.

I remember the first time I ever met you.

You do no.

Actually, I do.

No i do.

All the life went out of you when you said, No, that was really fun.

I saw you rise up and then fall down. No, you came to our apartment and I met you. Or was it?

No, no, we had worked together on SNL. I was very shy and I remembered I don't want to get in Steve, so I was writing things but not approaching you. I was in the background.

Steve Rossi.

Yeah, exactly, so we. He knocks on a door and you answer, and you have us into your place. And I was like, This is too much. I've I've just been put into this situation and I need to navigate this.

Oh my god.

I thought, Oh shit, that's funny.

That's a perfect reaction to where you're painting.

Whenever, whenever in studio, I remember once, every now and then, you'd be in the studio at 6a rehearsing. And the lights would go out because of some situation in the building, Rockefeller Center, some situation, the lights would just go out. And Andy would always instantly scream My pearls.

Andy Who?

Andy Richter.

Hilarious.

Yeah, it was just my pearls and.

Oh, I got to remember that, but I have to give him credit.

No, you don't.

No, you don't, no, just take it. Andy was fine.

I know I'll blow it, my pearls.

What was it, Pearls?

My Pez.

My pez, how did you guys decide? We're going to start working together as a two-hander, a two-hander act. When did that come about? And I know it.

I'll tell you what, it's a boring story, so I'm going to give it to you.

No, no, no, it was 2011.

What do we have for breakfast?

You had scrambled eggs, I had fresh toast. Come on, man, I had syrup. No, and we interviewed each other and that was it.

Well, the funny part is we were interviewing each other about comedy for a comedy festival, right? So we could talk about comedy. Kind of like we're doing here. But, you know, to comedy people, it's kind of interesting. So we thought, Hey, let's do that again.

First of all, that was great, yeah.

Anyway, I was saying that.

No, I think you said it really.

But I didn't think I got to the part.

Oh, you didn't need to.

This reminds me of I made the mistake once of, and you know it, it's like wearing the shorts, but I knew.

Well, they love when the boss is attacked.

That was also just me realizing, why did I get into this? Why did I lather myself up with bacon grease and then climb into this Piranha pool? Why did I do that?

My wife is very wise about talking about what you eat, she said. You're allowed to talk about what you do eat, but you're not allowed to talk about what you don't eat.

That's very good, I like that. Yeah, I like that a lot.

I mean, if this podcast, if we go away with one thing, that's it.

It's like, with me beats, I don't eat beets.

One thing I was curious about is when you come up with a great new insult for the other. Do you ever try it out in the moment on stage? Do you ever try to surprise each other?

Not really, but sometimes we've come up with things on stage.

And then we'll go right to the prompter afterwards and say, Oh right, we'll remember.

What prompter?

That if we had a prompter, let's say if we had a prompter.

Yeah, so you're saying, if we had a prompter and we came up with a joke, we would go over and talk.

I mean, now we just go to our own minds and lock it in.

Well, we were talking earlier about people you've met, and I know Steve that you got to meet, or kind of meet Elvis. I did.

I've told the story a million times, so I don't know if it's worthwhile.

Well, I just love it.

Well, I was. It was 1971 and I was opening for Ann-Margret at the Hilton in Las Vegas, which is no longer there for good reason.

It's like they tore it down the following day.

The worst comedy room? Yeah, it was a ceiling that's like 80 feet high, yeah, so the laughter rose above the audience's head, about two feet.

Jesus.

And we said, sure, and he was, uh, he wasn't. He was a gun. He liked artful guns, like an engraved thing, and he was very cautious. He they were loaded.

Yeah.

To get me out of this.

Do you remember what he was wearing? Yes.

All white, It was Elvis Slim, and he had the all white. And he wore that big buckle that the Hilton had given him to him. For biggest show ever in the history of the world, right? But he was very sweet and very nice.

Yeah, and that comes across when you look at the documentary.

That's a famous face, though.

Elvis Presley Jesus Well, also the reason I wanted to cause I know that you met Frank Sinatra? Yes.

No, I was at George Slaughter's house.

Oh, George, slaughter's house, okay?

It was after a Sinatra Shirley MacLaine concert at the Greek Theater and we all went back to his house. And Diana Shore was there. She was a big fan of SCTV. Oh great, she's going on about it, and I'm thrilled to meet Diana Shore.

I know well of you.

I can't believe that.

Yeah, I know well of you, that's not guys and dolls now. He did, Yeah, anyway. Then he said, Would you like a drink?

He starts, Julie, beat the crap out of this guy.

Are you a moron? So I frank now it was. When you meet those people, it is surreal. But you know, I used to have that with Mike Nichols and I knew him for 20 years, that I was still in awe.

I had, I mean, this is someone he both have met a billion times. But Lauren once asked me to go to a. He said, Would you like to go to a Yankee game with me? and I said, Yeah, I'd love to do that. And there was a playoff game on the Red Sox. And so we're. I get in the car and he says, we're picking up.

Um, I'm just going back over it, cause I kept remembering this great joke. And I think it was, uh, Shecky Green's joke about Frank, and it might've been Don Rickles, but I think it was Shecky Green, he said. He said, And it, Frank's in the audience. He said, Frank saved my life one night. You know this joke? He says. Frank saved my life one night.

And then there's the famous Rickles joke, which I'm story, which I'm sure is true, which is Rickles. Asking Frank. He's like, I'm meeting, I'm dating this young girl, could you this young woman? It would really mean so much if you just came through the lobby and and walked through the restaurant and said hello to me in front of her. That would really help me seal the deal. And so Frank Sinatra comes through and walks up to Rickles and his date and says, Uh, hey, Don.

Is that last part true?

It was a it was a fountain, it was a fountain of acid. That's the part that's less funny, Frank had it constructed.

They killed Don Rickles.

Yeah, they did, yeah. He never lived past 1961. Um, guys, I'm going to let you go because you have it's been made.

Wouldn't you like to get some part of this interview that's usable?

You're a young lad, you haven't. You've listened to some of my? I'm going to say this is my favorite episode, maybe ever, this is one of my. this is a spectacular episode.

I'm just going back over why we're doing it.

It's because of your admiration for me and my work.

Well, that's a very, very famous podcast.

I understand that. Yeah, I know.

And so we should be honored to be part of it.

I am.

You couldn't say it with a straight face.