Episode 519: Sharon Kinne- La Pistolera Pt.2

2023-12-11 01:02:12

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Hey, weirdos.

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I'm Ash.

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And I'm Alayna.

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And this is Morbid.

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It's Morbid.

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I always have to repeat it.

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I don't know why.

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It's a weird routine that I do.

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It's entirely possible that I do that too, but I don't know.

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I think we both do it.

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Sometimes I'm a self-aware queen, and other times I'm a Delulu queen.

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Delulu queen.

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We live in a grand Delulu.

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Yeah, I'm usually, I'm pretty self-aware of my annoying traits.

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I think.

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I'm not going to change them, but I'm aware of them.

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That's the most Capricorn shit you've ever said.

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I know I'm annoying, but fuck you.

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Yeah, that's straight up.

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I know I'm annoying, but deal with it.

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That's straight up how I feel.

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Unapologetic.

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I love it.

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Yeah, I'm very self-aware, but like, there's no way I'm changing.

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Good for you.

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You know what?

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I'll grow, but I won't change.

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Good.

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But like, in growth, there is change.

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Nah, not in my growth.

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She's something, everybody.

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She's a girly.

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She's a girly.

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She's out here.

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I am out here.

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She's out here in these streets, not changing, but growing, question mark.

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We don't understand it.

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But you know what?

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I don't claim her.

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The girlies who get it, get it.

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You know what?

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I do claim you, though.

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I can't even say that.

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My fellow Capricorns get it.

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We grow.

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We do not change.

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I honestly, I really feel as though you're, we were just talking about this.

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I feel like you're becoming more and more of a Virgo with each passing day.

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I can, I definitely have Virgo.

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I mean, it's in my big three, isn't it?

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Well, that's what I'm saying, because you're a Virgo rising.

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And I heard that, like, the older you get, like, the more you go through life,

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you kind of morph more into your rising sign.

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Mine is Sagittarius.

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I feel that.

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And I like Saggies.

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So, like, I morph into a Saggie.

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Yeah.

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Saggies, I feel like, maybe they, like, don't give as much of a fuck about things as Geminis do.

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I hope.

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I don't know.

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It's just a hope, I think, of mine.

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It's just a hope.

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Maybe they hope not to.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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Well, that was astrology with Ash.

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You were just like, but you're becoming a Virgo.

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Yeah, you are.

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I just, I feel it.

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Because Dave is a Virgo, and I'm noticing a lot of attributes of Dave that you are.

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Yeah, Dave and I are very, have found each other, realizing that we're very alike.

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You are.

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Yeah.

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There's moments where we're just like, huh.

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Well, and Drew is a Capricorn, and, like, he definitely possesses, like, some Capricorn qualities for sure.

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He's a January Capricorn.

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He's a January Capricorn, which is different, but he's also a Taurus rising.

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And I was saying to him that lately I feel like he comes off way more Taurus.

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But they also say that you come off to other people like, like your rising sign is what you present to other people, I'm pretty sure.

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So I present a Virgo.

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Yeah, and that makes sense.

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I feel like Virgos are misunderstood, and sometimes I feel like you're misunderstood.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Capricorns are too.

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Yeah, definitely.

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We're both in those.

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Yeah, and then you got Cancer in there, which just, like, fucks it all up.

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Which is really wild.

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Yeah, your big signs are chaotic.

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They're very, they're scary.

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Mine are super fucking chaotic, too.

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Mine are just scary.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting that we both have water moons.

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I just realized that.

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Look at that.

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Because I'm a Pisces moon, which I don't like to claim out loud, but here we are.

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You know, I have, actually, never mind, I'm not going to say that.

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Anyways.

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Let's get into the story.

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Yeah.

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Now that we've all discussed our risings and big threes.

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Yeah, I hope you guys yelled yours out at us, too.

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Yeah, I hope you did.

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I heard it.

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That's what I hope for us.

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Oh, my God.

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Is that when we go through these little weird, like, intros that we just start talking about,

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Chip, that you guys are just yelling stuff back.

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I hope so.

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It feels that way.

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Yeah.

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I feel like my friends are out there in their cars.

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And they're not too long, so I feel like you can hang in and, like, yell back at us for

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a minute, and then we're like, ah, right.

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Yeah.

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Ah, right.

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Getting back on track.

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So, yeah, let's get back on track.

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Let's get back on track.

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This is Sharon Kinney, a.k.a. La Pistolera.

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I can't say it in American accent.

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Very pretty.

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But that's the case that we're covering.

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We're in part two of that.

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And in part one, we covered, you know, Sharon's, I would call it a failed marriage to her first

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husband.

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I would also call that a failed marriage.

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Yeah, his untimely and wildly, wildly suspicious death.

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Yes.

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We covered her affair with a married man named Walter.

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And then we found out that Walter's wife, Patricia, had been murdered.

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And Sharon had not only been the one to find her, but was also the last person to be seen

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with her the very day that she went missing.

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And then finally, at the end of part one, Sharon was arrested right after Patricia's

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funeral.

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So there's that.

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I've said it like 42 times, but I am just going to say it one more time.

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Trial heavy in the beginning of this one.

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Stick with me.

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I'm sticking.

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I'm here.

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I'm glad you are required by contract to be here.

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So while that means a lot to me that you're not going anywhere, it's also just the law.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's very true.

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Contractually obligated to be here.

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I appreciate you and I love you.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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We're all in this together.

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That's good.

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We're just not all under the same contracts.

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No.

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But the next morning, June 1st, after, you know, she was arrested, Sharon appeared before

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Magistrate J.J. Brady in an independence courtroom where she was formally arraigned with the

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first degree murder of Patricia Jones and a preliminary hearing was scheduled for June

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16th.

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In the meantime, she was held on $20,000 bond, which friends and relatives actually

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wasted no time pulling together, and she was released that very afternoon.

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What?

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I feel like even that speaks to, like, the manipulation she was able to conjure.

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Yeah.

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Like, friends and relatives were like, yeah, I know that two people have been mysteriously

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shot or murdered around you lately in a span of two months, but, like, I don't think you

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have anything to do with it.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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She's a high-level manipulator.

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She's a wily one.

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That's what we've been discovering.

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But then, after the arraignment for Patricia's murder, the Sheriff's Department actually

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asked District Attorney William Collette to file charges against Sharon for the murder

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of her husband.

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There you go.

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I was waiting for that.

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He did that later that afternoon.

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But the biggest issue for the prosecutor's office was the lack of forensic evidence connecting

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Sharon to both murders.

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And remember, it's the 60s, so they didn't have, like, a shit ton that they could do.

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Like, there wasn't any DNA.

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There was DNA to test, but there weren't any tests yet to figure it out.

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Very true.

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So they knew she was the last person to be seen with Patricia Jones, and she had been

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uncooperative from the start of the investigation.

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But with the fourth bullet or the 20, or, excuse me, without the fourth bullet or the

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.22 caliber pistol used in the shooting, prosecutors knew that getting a conviction would be an

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uphill battle.

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But they were ready to climb uphill.

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Investigators, citizen volunteers, and even a troop of Boy Scouts had scoured the crime

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scene with metal detectors, like I mentioned in part one, but still they hadn't found

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any evidence.

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But then, finally, on June 2nd, a sergeant with the sheriff's office located the fourth

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slug lodged about six inches into the ground directly under where Patricia's body had

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been found.

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Oh, so it was lodged in there.

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It was lodged into the earth.

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So then you wonder...

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I mean, I don't know if I'm being, like, super...

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No, you go for it.

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You theorize.

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Because we were saying how we, like, they believed initially that she was brought there

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and probably dumped because of the lack of blood.

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And then they found that barn.

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So my thought process here is because that barn kind of, like, disappeared, you said?

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It does feel like it, like, it kind of does disappear because they've, they theorized

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that maybe she was shot there because there was some evidence that, like, some, something

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was shot there.

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Yeah.

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Or somebody shot there.

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But the cause of death was the shot to the head.

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Yes.

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So I'm wondering if all that happened somewhere else.

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She was dumped there and they did one more shot to the stomach to try to confuse the

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whole thing.

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Maybe.

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And that's why there's no blood because she had already died from the blood, from the

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shot to the head.

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So it's not flowing.

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So it's not flowing.

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That's actually brilliant.

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That's not some investigator type shit.

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That's just me over here being an investigator.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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That makes a lot of sense.

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What are you, writing, like, a novel about murder or something?

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No.

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No.

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No, never.

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Yeah.

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That, I didn't even think of that.

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Could have been it.

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That definitely could have been it.

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It's pretty, it's pretty shady.

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Because they never really account for the lack of blood at the scene.

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Yeah.

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So maybe that's, it could be why.

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Yeah.

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It's just like an overkill kind of thing to confuse things.

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Or just like an angry overkill.

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Yeah, like one more.

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You know, one more.

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Mm-hmm.

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You're right.

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But anyway, finding that missing slug was huge.

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Yeah.

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That was a huge win.

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Regardless.

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But it was immediately followed by a pretty big blow once they realized that the coroner

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had sent Patricia's body to the mortuary with the two remaining slugs still in the body,

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which had then been buried.

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Come on, everybody.

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So not, so yeah, he sent her body off to the mortuary and she had already been buried with

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those slugs still in her.

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Great.

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A spokesperson for the sheriff's office told reporters,

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we feel there was a negligence at the time of the autopsy.

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You feel that?

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They did feel that.

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I also feel that.

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I feel that from, you know, decades after.

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Me too.

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I still feel that.

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I still feel it in my bones.

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And according to the sheriff, investigators had made the explicit request for the coroner

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to hold the body for additional testing and removal of the remaining slugs.

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But the coroner disregarded the request, sent Patricia's body to the mortuary where she

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was prepared for burial, destroying what could have been vital evidence in this case.

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Why the fuck?

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She's a murder victim.

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Why are you sending her off with evidence inside of her body?

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It gets worse.

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The more investigators dug into Patricia's case, the worse things looked for the prosecution.

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Not only had legit evidence been buried with the body, but the embalming process actually

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occurred before the coroner performed the autopsy.

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Shut the fuck up.

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What?

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They embalmed the body first before he did the autopsy.

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What?

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What?

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Colette told the press, it's just all botched up.

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How badly this series of mistakes will hurt us will have to be determined later.

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This is not the first case they messed up for us, and it probably won't be the last.

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How do you even?

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How?

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And also, if this is not the first case that they've messed up for you and you're pretty

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confident it's not going to be the last, uh, we think it's time to hire a new coroner?

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Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that coroner is not good at their job.

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Like, what?

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Also, I wonder if this, where, where did this take place?

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Independence, Missouri.

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I wonder if this is a, this is one of those cases against coroners, like, against, like,

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um, voted-in coroners.

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Oh.

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Because it's like, this could be a case where this guy had no fucking business doing any

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of this shit.

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It kind of sounds like it.

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That's what it sounds like.

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I'm going to look this shit up.

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Go for it.

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Because it does sound like it.

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According to the prosecutor's office, the coroner even tried to cover up his mistakes

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at multiple points in the investigation.

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What the fuck?

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He told detectives, this is wild, you're going to, you're going to, I don't even know what

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you're going to do, but you're going to lose your mind at this.

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Oh no.

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He told detectives finding the slugs in the body would be like looking for a needle in

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a haystack.

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Literally shut the fuck up.

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What?

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Like, you have literal entrance wounds.

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That's the thing.

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Like, slugs don't appear in a body.

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There's a fucking exit wound that you can follow pretty quickly.

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Looking for a needle in a haystack?

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Looking for a needle in a haystack.

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It's a bullet.

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Are you kidding me?

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Like, what are you saying?

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Is this guy all right?

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Who is this man?

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No, because I'm, I'm not done yet.

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This is what's really going to send you.

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He also told them that he did not want to conduct tests on the stomach contents because

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it would be, and I quote, too messy.

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This guy had to have been voted in.

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He's not a real fucking medical, there's no way.

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Too messy.

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Like, that's your.

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Too messy.

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Nothing.

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Smelly and.

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What?

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Like, literally.

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That's the field you went into, brother.

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You walk into that room and it's just, your mess smells everything.

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Of course.

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What are you doing?

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Have you ever, honey, coroner, dear coroner from 1950, whatever, or 1960, whatever.

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Have you performed an autopsy before?

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Because I don't think you have.

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There's no way you have if you're like, that would be messy.

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Oh, no, he had.

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He had because he had also.

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He had fucked up.

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He had fucked up cases for them in the past.

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I'm without words.

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I think you're right.

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I didn't, I forgot about that whole thing where like they were.

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I'm looking it up.

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Voted in, yeah.

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I'm looking it up because this is not.

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Too messy, he said.

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This is not, no.

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Yeah.

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No.

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But fortunately for the prosecution, moving away from that for a second, fortunately for

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the prosecution, Patricia's husband, Walter Jones, did actually allow them to exhume Patricia's

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body so that a proper autopsy could be conducted.

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Well, thank goodness.

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Because basically you can't even call it a proper autopsy at that point because she's

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already been fucking embalmed, but they could do way better than this guy did.

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Yeah.

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Now, in addition to retrieving the remaining bullets, the new pathologist, like a legit

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one, Dr. Charles Wheeler, he was able to determine that what Patricia ate before the murder.

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She had pickles and salami, which that's a girl dinner.

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That is.

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That truly is.

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And I would eat that and I want that right now.

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But he also confirmed that she had not been sexually assaulted and he was able to confirm

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the sequence in which the bullets had entered the body.

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So this guy's legit.

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Yeah.

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Now, the new autopsy results were encouraging to the prosecution because they not only retrieved

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those remaining slugs, but they also concluded that the murder was not motivated by sexual

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deviance or robbery, leaving the most likely explanation to be a personal grudge.

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Why else would this woman have been murdered?

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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Now, for Sharon, the investigation into both Patricia and James's deaths were immediately

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a big inconvenience.

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With the murder case reopened or opened and James's death, the insurance company stopped

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any payments on her claims, which left her with little money for her expensive defense

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attorneys or her expensive or her excessive spending and basic needs.

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Yeah.

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So she was like in a bad place.

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Now, in response, she ended up putting her house on the market.

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She sold her car and she hoped that the money from those two things would keep her afloat

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until her payments resumed because she believed they would.

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Yeah, of course.

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Now, as detectives and the prosecution kept building the case against her or the cases,

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the introduction of Sharon's defense team slowed things down considerably because at

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every step of the way, they challenged almost everything the prosecution said or did or

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tried to admit or anything.

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Of course.

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Anything.

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And because of that, actually a full year passed before either case finally went to

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trial.

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And when they did finally go to trial, things did not look as good as the prosecution had

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hoped.

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Uh-oh.

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Yeah.

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She struck him with her motor vehicle.

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She had been under the influence and then she left him there.

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In January 2022, local woman Karen Reed was implicated in the mysterious death of her

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boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keefe.

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It was alleged that after an innocent night out for drinks with friends, Karen and John

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got into a lover's quarrel en route to the next location.

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What happens next depends on who you ask.

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Was it a crime of passion?

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If you believe the prosecution, it's because the evidence was so compelling.

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This was clearly an intentional act.

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And his cause of death was blunt force trauma with hypothermia.

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Or a corrupt police cover-up.

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If you believe the defense theory, however, this was all a cover-up to prevent one of

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their own from going down.

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Everyone had an opinion.

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And after the 10-week trial, the jury could not come to a unanimous decision.

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Sharon's trial for the murder of Patricia Jones began June 12, 1961,

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with opening statements being given on the afternoon of June 14.

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In his statement for the prosecution, J. Arnett Hill presented the state's case.

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They believed Sharon Kinney had been having an affair with Walter Jones,

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and after he refused to divorce his wife, she lured Patricia to this meeting place and shot her to death.

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Once she killed Patricia, Sharon dumped her body in an area known to be frequented by young people

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and staged the scene to quote, give indications that a crime of sexual passion had occurred.

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Yeah, fully.

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Yeah, like, to me, I'm like, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But also, we have the background knowledge of everything else that has gone on in her life.

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Absolutely.

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Unfortunately, the jury did not.

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Yeah.

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Did you get anywhere yet, by the way?

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I did.

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So, I did see that you were, because this is called a coroner at this point.

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They do now in Jackson County have, they have a medical examiner.

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Oh, okay.

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And she's a woman.

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She looks like badass.

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I don't know.

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I'm just saying.

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Hell yeah.

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She's the chief medical examiner.

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Let's go, girl.

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But she's a medical examiner.

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She is a doctor.

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She is a forensic pathologist, like she is there.

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But it says in the state of Missouri, larger urban counties operate under medical examiner

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jurisdiction, while smaller counties by statute operate under coroner jurisdiction.

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And it says coroners from several rural Missouri counties contract with the Jackson County

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medical examiner's office for autopsy services when needed.

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But I'm assuming back in 1960, they just had an elected coroner, because that's the

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difference between an Emmy and a coroner.

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Right.

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Because a coroner is usually an elected lay person that has no fucking business doing

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It's so wild that that's like still something that happens.

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Yeah.

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So, I think that's probably what happened here, is that was an elected official who

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had no business doing this.

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I mean, if it's not, if that's not the case, I'm appalled.

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And if it is, I'm still appalled.

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I would be willing to bet a lot that this was an elected official that is not a medical

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doctor.

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I would think so, because the fact that he said it was going to be too messy, and also

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