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Hey, there. You are about to listen to an outstanding episode of Terminally Online. The show where we're joined by Cricut hosts and staffers to share the things we've seen on the internet. That made us realize we need to go outside and touch some grass. Some have called Terminally Online the loosest show at Cricut, and they're right. It's chaos.

Welcome to Terminally Online, the Cricut subscription show. I'm Elijah Kuck.

I'm Jon Favreau, I'm Dan Pfeiffer.

And I'm Priyanka Arabindi, I co-host What a day. Thank you all for having me here today.

This is so exciting, thanks for joining us.

Great to have you, Priyanka, been overdue. Yeah, I know very, very. This is a chance for us to commiserate about being way too online as we make the shows here at Cricut Media and cover the news.

Oh, what a question. It's a good one, Dan.

That if Barack Obama played more golf with racist Republicans, more would get done.

More golf is a real one.

More everything, more dinners.

If he had a bourbon with Mitch McConnell, if he went to a tanning salon with John Boehner, any one of those things would be hard for us.

Yeah, this is related to that one. But just the whole idea that Obama was too aloof, too aloof. It's like, I don't know a more personable, charismatic politician.

Too aloof to go to Cafe Milano with several ambassadors and some fundraisers.

Right, exactly.

We have a follow up to that question. Do you have a favorite political or media narrative that's happening right now? Just one that you particularly enjoy?

Like, legitimately enjoy or hate watch?

For me, I just Ron Desantis is being unlikable, and it being like a feedback cycle of unlikeableness. And then another story about it is something I particularly enjoy.

I'm enjoying, like Donald Trump, just continually incriminating himself just in public, coming up with new excuses that are probably only be used against him at trial. I think that's kind of fun.

Yeah, I think I probably with Elijah that I very much enjoy. Just the Ron DeSantis clowning himself every time he goes up there, it's pretty perfect.

I also genuinely enjoy Chris Christie kicking the shit out of Donald Trump.

Just get back on the Lincoln Project YouTube page over there.

Yes, yeah, no, I enjoy it because I think he's a hero who should be a president. Yeah, look, you like Donald Trump, you want to defend Donald Trump? I understand that you don't want him to get a lot of criticism, so that's fine.

I want credible criticism.

I was served a Chris Christie TikTok like, not from an official Chris Christie account, but like something trying to make him, like, doing this look cool. And I was like, Wow, what have I done on the internet that they think I need? This content made me question a lot of things, but it is.

PRIyanka That is the best evidence yet that the Chinese government is in control.

It's in there with all the other outfits of the day, that I'm normally served.

All right, that'll wrap up our audience q&a for the week. Let's go ahead and jump in to the terminally online segment here. Dan, when did you realize that you were terminally online this week?

I think it was yesterday, I guess. Yeah, it was probably yesterday. Unlike John, I really still use my phone and I'm very proud of it. And I was scrolling through Twitter and I stumbled on somehow. I'm not even sure how I found it, but it was an old Ron DESantis tweet from 2015. Wow, already.

Yep, definitely green screen.

Short sleeve blue button down. That makes them look a little bit like Detective Sipowitz. In NYPD blog. And the text on this footage says Casey DeSantis Colon, a man of integrity and honor.

It does look like they are modeling clothes for T.J. Maxx, like, I think it's very, it's just they look like it's really wild.

I mean, there's so much here, it's just an odd choice. They don't look human, they look quite photoshopped. He at the time was running for Senate in Florida, I believe.

A real beach.

A real beach, not the green screen at your local sears, which is where I think this was taken. And then somehow they allowed there to be printed on this photo. Casey DESantis a man of integrity and honor, Now in defense of the 2015 era. Ron DESantis Social Team Above this, in the tweet, was a quote from Casey DeSantis calling Ron DeSantis a man of integrity, of honor.

I mean, also. But even forget the picture for a second. Ron DESantis just tweeting a picture of tweeting a quote that was an endorsement from his own wife about him is fucking weird. Yeah, I'm just gonna like tweet a quote from Emily Emily. You know, John Favreau is the best, I love John.

She would never say that publicly.

I know that's why I would have to make it up and tweet it.

Reminds me of Chris Pratt and when his wife had to be like, you know, when everyone was like, saying, Chris Pratt was the worst of all the Hollywood, Chris's. He's this great guy. And it was like, why would you ever think that this was the appropriate response? That is what it made me think of. I also saw that photo with zero context and was like, I'm perplexed because Casey Desantis, to my knowledge, is not a man. But I, too, was not, once again, not inspired to do any further research.

They obviously did this at a photo studio with a green screen. Like, what was the backup choice?

It was that, or fucking Cinderella's Castle at Disney.

Oh, another option.

That was it where they got married. Yeah, yeah.

What do you guys think of the DESantis campaign strategy? To just be like, you know who people don't hate is Ron's wife, you know you hate him, but what about his wife? Is that a winning strategy?

I mean, I don't know if it's a winning strategy, it's probably a better strategy than using him all the time.

Like, every once in a while, when you have a candidate who is not the way you want. What you do is you go out and get friends from their life and send them out to knock on doors. John Kerry famously had a lot of his Vietnam vet friends who would go to her in Iowa, New Hampshire, et cetera. But what do you do if the candidate has no friends?

You make him a wife guy, bring out the wife.

Brian DeSantis Famous Wife guy.

That was brutal. I think. The going from the fundraising in present day back to 2015 puts you in at least a hospital at four. For how long?

Yeah, I would say that. Can I just say one thing that I've been wanting to say for a long time about Ron DeSantis Disney wedding?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh boy.

So I was at Disneyland with my family for my son Jack's second birthday, and we were staying at a hotel. And there was a Disney wedding taking place on the property. So we watched from the balcony and what we saw was the bride arrive in a giant, horse-drawn Cinderella's carriage. So what I need to know...?

Is there a picture of Casey Desantis?

And they left, and then the bride and groom left in, said Cinderella Carriage.

Wow, we need it.

I also think it would have sort of double the impact, right? If we get this picture. On one hand, most of America will think they look like buffoons and they will be correct. But the people who are with Ron DeSantis, who know that he has taken on the woke scolds at Disney, they will not be happy to see pictures of Ron DeSantis and Casey DeSantis having a Disney wedding.

It's the ultimate lose-lose.

Yes, America will accept hypocrisy, and they will accept buffoonery from their politicians. they will not accept both.

Wow, that's for next week. I hope someone can come back with that photo. I feel like if anyone could, it would be one of you two.

Yeah, these are Trump's tax returns, this is the 2024 version of it. Do we agree that Dan is a four here? Do we want to put him all the way? Terminal?

I'd say, like, three, three, yeah, I think that's a three, I think that's a three.

Okay, just go to the doctor. John, what was the moment you realized that you were too online this week?

All right, here's where I realized I was too online a couple of days ago. Someone at Crooked, I can't remember, who posted a video in the Slack from Twitter where Roseanne Barr says that Donald Trump was the first woman president. There's no explanation for why, there's no context, you're missing there.

And nobody died in the Holocaust either, that's the truth. It should happen, six million Jews should die right now because they cause all the problems in the world. But it never happened, but it never happened.

As you can imagine, these comments caused a stir. They were widely condemned. The Holocaust Museum Twitter account put out a statement, Anti-defamation League put out a statement. But then Roseanne's son and Theo Vaughn again. This comedian who's the host of the podcast, she went on, said that it's obvious Roseanne was being sarcastic and that the clip was taken completely out of context.

The truth is that Biden got 81 million votes by winning 36 counties, and that is just incredible. It really, really is. And that of these 81 million supporters who gave him more votes than any president has ever gotten before, he came with a mandate. You can't say that like, you know.

Because you're part Jewish, right? part of your family is Jewish.

You're all Jewish.

And a lot of Hollywood is Jewish. Yeah, it's like, a lot of Hollywood is a Jewish business. Really well, they started Hollywood.

Yeah.

Right?

But so was it weird?

Just like rap, black people started rap.

Yeah.

But, you know, and people should be glad that it's Jewish, too, because if Jews were not controlling Hollywood, all you'd have was fucking fishing shows.

Yeah.

Oh my God, I wish people, let's say.

I just want to ask you guys, do you think the context helped or hurt her case?

I think it definitely changed my Pulitzer vote for Theo Vaughn, who doesn't seem to be really good at follow-up questions.

That is unreal.

I'm more confused. I'm more confused than ever with that context. I don't think I want any more context ever again.

Well, so I, of course, I was. This is when I was terminally ill. I, like, went deep into all the tweets about this. And there's a lot of stories about this, a lot of headlines about this. Not just the United States, but all over the world, as you can imagine, many headlines in Israel about this. So here's the thing, if we're going to believe her, that she was just being sarcastic about the Holocaust, which is again, something you always want to be sarcastic about. You always want to tell a lot of jokes about the Holocaust.

I'm sad that most people will only, like most of our content, will only hear this. The fact that, during this interview, Roseanne Barr is both smoking a cigarette and drinking some substance out of a pink toddler sippy cup.

What was that?

I was very distracted by that throughout the whole experience, the beginning, it was kind of giving Elon Musk on Joe Rogan. I was like, what's happening here? And then very quickly it becomes a sippy cup. It's all very confusing.

And then she goes from the election denial to the Holocaust joke and air quotes here, and then just seamlessly goes into. Jews control Hollywood, something about fishing movies and then Black people and hip hop. I mean, it was wild.

It was really bad, so I saw this organically as well. I saw both the Roseanne Barr video where she says Donald Trump was the first woman president. I went down that same wormhole and then ended up with this video. Okay, as a Jewish person, I'm very offended by this.

And I'll tell you, I watched way too much of that whole interview because I was trying to find the part. Because I didn't see the Theo Vaughn clip of the whole context. First, I was just looking at the full interview and I was trying to find the right part of it. There's a lot of other crazy shit in there, let me tell you, and it was a big waste of my time.

Did you do it for the show because you knew you had to have something here? Or you were in the middle of going down the rabbit hole and realized it could also be used for this show?

I would say, as soon as I went from the Trump is the first woman president clip to first seeing her talk about the Holocaust. I was like, Oh, that could be a terminally ill thing. But then I started doing my research because I do my own research. Of course, that's what you're supposed to do.

As you do, Kyrie Irving, Yes.

And then I went out, then I really went down the rabbit hole.

I agree with the ranking on you, which is not great, but I would say on one hand, I'm a zero. Because I didn't even see this in Slack, so I missed the whole thing. I am living in blissful ignorance of Roseanne Barr's comments, this Theophan person, any of that?

Oh, you did know that, okay?

I did know that.

That's cool.

So yeah, John, definitely terminal.

I'm terminal, okay, cool.

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Am I supposed to be rating myself for that? Because I also am kind of in Dan's camp? Like this did not even cross my radar.

That's what I was hoping for.

Yeah.

This one does fit on just something I talk about on Pod Save America all the time. It's just polarization is a real thing. Theo Vaughn is incredibly popular comedian. I see his clips pop up on my algorithm every now and then. And there's a lot of people who are just sitting there, nodding along, just being like, Yep, preach it.

Yeah, I'd never heard of him before this.

You see him on TikTok, Twitter, Instagram. Where do you encounter Mr. Vaughn?

TikTok, it always has Priyanka, you know, it always has like a video game under it.

Yes, that's how they keep you watching. Like, the things that can become a little boring or, like, start to not make sense. As they, like, have half and half of a screen. And it's like, whatever candy crush, not candy crush. It's like temple Run, like some kind of video game like that.

Subway surfer.

Where you're just like, What? yes, exactly, it's very weird.

Yeah, so I feel like we're all terminal for this, we're all just revealing we're very terminal for this. So thanks for bringing out the worst of us, John.

That's what I'm here for, that's what I'm here for.

When were you terminally online this week?

Yeah, listen, after the last 20 minutes, I don't know if I'm calling myself terminally anymore. I think my time online has changed very drastically over the last few years, so terminally online, but in a different way. But for the purposes of the show. I feel like maybe the past day or two, when all the barbie marketing has kind of coincided with this Oppenheimer marketing to become Barbenheimer. It is now in the New York Times. So I feel like that probably brings me down to a zero.

I have never heard of this term.

What never?

Before I saw you put it in slack, today, never.

Oh my god, no.

I've seen all the Barbie marketing and all the stories about the Barbie stuff. I didn't know about the Oppenheimer thing.

Okay.

But yeah, let's back up for a second. There's a Barbie movie coming out, and on the same day that Barbie comes out, a movie called Oppenheimer about the atomic Bomb comes out. And these movies could not be more different.

Thank you for explaining that the movie about Barbie is different than the movie about the atomic bomb is what you're saying.

Yeah, it's much grimmer, it's much more grim, yeah.

But apparently there are all these people who are prepping for the release day. I think it's like July 21st, they're prepping for this release day. And they're trying to do a double header and they're trying to decide like, which do I watch first, which do I watch?

I have so many questions about this, what someone tell me? The Venn diagram of people who are so excited about the Barbie film that they are preparing for it a month away.

Can I help you here? yeah.

Yeah.

So one, the American theater experience is dying. People are looking for reasons to go to the theater. Marvel comic book movies, which had been driving theater going, are sort of falling before us. And so this you have two movies from two of America's greatest directors, Greta Gerwig on Barbie.

Yeah.

On Oppenheimer.

Oh, it's a Christopher Nolan movie. Okay, yeah.

And Christopher Nolan movies are event movies, and do I seem interested in either of these? No, but you can sort of see how this becomes a thing for people to do. Who like, really like movies and have been wanting non-Marvel D.C. fare to come to the movies. And it happens to come on the same day.

Do these people have jobs?

They work at Crooked, a lot of them work at Crooked.

All of them are employed by you actually, yeah.

Look, I want to see both movies. I mean, I don't know that, I need to prepare right now, it's only June 28th, but I do want to see both movies.

Well, people are preparing their schedule, they're trying to decide which tickets do I buy first. Because I think there is one tweet that was like, people who are doing Barbie first are crazy. Like, it's gotta be like, you have your coffee, you have your cigarette, you see Oppenheimer first, then you go to brunch, like, decompress a little bit, and then you do barbie.

Feature, double, double feature, I gotta say.

Double feature. I found a shirt, there are shirts on Etsy, they're like half and half. It's, yeah, there's a lot here.

There's some great online memes about this, yes.

I presume none of these people have small children.

Probably not. Between the cost of a movie and the cost of a babysitter and the opportunity to spend what would add up to almost six hours. I'm not sure anyone with children would spend it.

Yeah.

Before Charlie was born, I was talking to Ben Rhodes about having kids, and I was like, So what changes? And he goes, Here's the biggest thing that will change. You will never go to a movie again. For years, he goes. It's a very specific thing, because should you get out of the house and find a babysitter at some point? And you have a whole bunch of options. You will select dinner with friends, parties. the last thing you will select is go sit in a movie theater. With this. One night that we got off from parenting.

I know I've been in the movies one time since Kyla was born five years ago, and it was to see D.C. Super Pets with Kyla.

Yeah, we went to see Clifford, the big red Dog with Charlie, and he left after 20 minutes.

I was going to say I heard that was scary for kids.

He just, he was over it, he wasn't scared.

Wasn't into it.

Get me out of here, he goes. Because they can't, they don't sit still for longer than 20 minutes.

I thought I was bad. I'm like, not usually a regular movie goer, but I did make it this year to see Megan, so I guess I had something.

I don't think you're very online, Priyanka.

I know, I don't think so either.

I'm very excited about the prospect of going to see this double feature just for the meme, just because it seems like such a unique experience.

I just want to speak in defense of Priyanka here. I think she is a little bit online for this. I think. Elijah, you are too online to make that judgment. Most people in this country, if they didn't know what fucking Barbenheimer is, they would not know. I would say 95 of people have no fucking idea what that is.

JOHN I appreciate that, I appreciate it, but I know that this is kid stuff. Hello guys, but I know that I'm terminally online in very different ways.

I call that progress.

This is a very important point that relates to possibly the core flaw in this show is being really, really, really online about one thing does not mean that you are not online. If you're unfamiliar about, being online with a narrow set of interests is not better than being online with a wide set of interests.

That is true.

Well, we're in agreement that the Holocaust denial Jews in Hollywood, that's a five.

Yes, if you watched a YouTube video of Roseanne Barr doing an interview with a MAGA comedian, that's a five.

Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, John, your point is well taken. I was with friends the other day. A friend asked if I wanted to go see Oppenheimer with him, and I was like, I want to go see Barbenheimer. And he said, What are you fucking talking about?

Is that a ticketed event? Did you go as media like? I'm so curious.

So I just rolled up, you know, I was just at Sheraton here in Greensboro, North Carolina. Drove over, walked in, I said, Hey, can I watch? And they said, Yeah, there's an overflow room for uncredentialed people. So I went in there and I was just sitting there with a bunch of Republicans.

Oh, Shadow app.

Chair position Yeah, shadow app, Oh God, electronic ballots and the app malfunctioned.

Of course it did.

Oh god.

And the room turned on itself like crazy. They were like fighting, you know, some woman? She interrupted, and she said that she was appalled and she felt like she was in a third world leftist country. People were demanding to nullify the votes. In the room I was in, people were trying to, you know, get on the app and like, vote themselves to prove that it was like corrupt, that it didn't work.

Which, by itself, is quite an online thing to say.

Yes, exactly. And they didn't get through everything they needed to get through. They needed to vote on a new party platform, they needed to vote on a vice chair. They just didn't do it because Trump was coming.

Dominion strikes again. That who made the app, I don't know.

They did not say who made the app, but I don't think it was Dominion.

Did the ghost of Hugo Chavez come and did he grow up? The app again? That's very online.

No, he did look. It worked its way in all the jokes that we have about it were right there in the room.

Like, playing out before your eyes, that's like terminally online, seeping into your offline life that's so wild, rare.

He has to be a zero, right? Yeah, he told us a story about literally leaving the house.

That's fair, I get it, like, I understand the instinct to knock off a point for that. But like, he's so aware of everything that's happened in the real world and also online, to, you know, in what happened in his offline life, like he's been thinking about online.

Yeah, I understood every very online reference they made, like when they said New Maricopa County, I was like, Oh yeah, I get what you're talking about, Yep.

Yeah, unfortunately, we all get that.

I just feel like, however we score this. We should just recognize that we want to create an incentive structure for Elijah to leave the house.

Yeah, this is what I never know about. This game is a high score, good, like I came in today wanting to get a five and I fucking got it.

I mean, the last time I did the show with you, you spent the first seven minutes talking about how little online you were and brought you back to a screen time.

Yeah, that's true, that's true. Twitter is not on the phone.

Mazel Tov, Congratulations on your well-balanced life.

That's right.

I just did an interview for offline to do terminally online, so there's a lot going on in my life right now.

Every day, I just want to congratulate you for moving from an iPhone to an iPad.

Okay, it's not on the iPad, it's on the iPad.

I feel like I deserve some credit here that my love of content made me go over to this event. I mean, like, I put on a little disguise.

That's true, that's what inspired you?

Yeah, no, the VSA team's applauding you.

Yeah, I put on khakis and like a polo shirt for it, so I would blend in better.

Look, you did original reporting from crooked media, which does not happen often. You are a roving correspondent.

My one note is, the next time you go to a Republican event like that, you should check in at the media table and say, Elijah Cohn crooked media. And they'll be like, Yeah, I bet.

Man, I was trying to hide it, like, I was really trying to hide it. I was like, I just want to watch. Just a guy just here to watch, just to the politics and joy.

Just here to watch.

Yeah.

I would love to be a fly on the wall. But the experience of you like trying to get dressed and looking at your closet and being like, what will help me blend in the most with this crowd? I feel like that would be something I would enjoy.

I feel like I have a window into this because not to break down the fourth wall here. But we had a meeting that Elijah was in one hour ago and he was wearing a different t-shirt in that meeting. He was wearing a Budweiser t-shirt for that one. But then he decided to dress up for this by putting on a circa 2017 pod Save the World shirt.

Yeah.

Pre-AirPods, these AirBuds have wires in them.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, a shirt so old that has wired AirPods on it.

You're lucky you didn't wear that woke Budweiser t-shirt to the North Carolina event.

I mean, what a world where, just like six months ago, you would have chosen the Budweiser t-shirt as proof that you were a red-blooded American.

No target, no Budweiser.

No chick-fil-a.

No chick-fil-a.

I mean, we're like six months away from not being able to wear your Donald Trump shirt to one of these things.

Or Ron DeSantis, because he got married at Disney, you know?

Fair enough, fair enough.

Look, the real reason I took off the shirt was because I have a meeting with our CEO and CFO. That just got put on right after this. And they're not going to like the Budweiser shirt. I don't want to have to explain that one, so.

I think Lucinda would absolutely love that shirt.

Yeah, maybe.

We'll never know, we'll never know.

So what's my rating? where did we land zero or I don't get any credit here?

Yeah, you get credit, I'm going to give you a two.

Yeah, that's fair, I give that.

So I'm a two deal with it at home.

But at heart, you're like a five just as a person.

Yeah, you're always yeah.

You should know that.

You're still the most terminally online person.

Yes, yes, I don't want you to feel sad that you got a two this week.

Thanks guys, in the best possible way, in the best possible way. It's a compliment.

I feel so fulfilled. So I'm a two. I'll just deal with it at home. Dan and Priyanka are threes. They just should go to a doctor, but it's not that serious then, John. Congratulations.

Don't tell Max.

I won't.

He's so offline, he'll never know.

He will know, yeah.

Well, we'll go ahead and wrap up the show here with an installment of the Advice column, the best named segment at Crooked Media.

Oh, right, I forgot about this.

Oh, yeah, I didn't even know about this, how fun.

Dan knows when I name segments because it's political. Experts react or advice column. No fun puns here.

No, I'm to the YouTube algorithm.

Yeah, Stay once, that's their name on Discord subscriber named Stay Once wants to know. I'm a licensed attorney in Utah and I'm eyeing politics as a future, given that I'm a liberal, leading moderate in a state where I appear to be far left. Would it be wiser to enter a traditional electoral race or apply for an upcoming judicial opening? And if you guys don't have an answer to that, just what office would y'all run?

Wow, I'd maybe apply for that judicial opening.

Yeah.

No, I think, unless they want to run in Salt Lake City.

It really depends what city you live in.

Yeah, you want to run for, you want to be mayor of Salt Lake City. Maybe I wouldn't be running for anything statewide in Utah unless the last name is Romney.

I have to know more about the judicial hiring process in Utah, to know is that a government appointment is that magistrate judge sort of thing with the civil service, who knows? But I agree with John that if you are living in a blue area, start local, right?

That's right, Utah's weird. It's always a little bit more moderate.

So what offices would we run for, and where Dan is now waiting out Chris Coons to retire in Delaware? Because we got people running for Carper's seat, Lisa Blunt, Rochester, we got now someone running for her seat whose name is Sarah McBride.

Sarah McBride Yep.

There's only one more statewide Delawarean left there, and that's Chris Coons.

I would say Lisa Blunt Rochester and Sarah McBride are highly qualified, highly appealing, actual residents of Delaware, which makes sense.

Yeah, that's true, that's true.

You guys have joked about this, Dan, running in Delaware so much that I think you're serious, I was wondering.

I was like, Oh, are we? Is that happening?

I don't know. I like to keep stringing the audience along.

That's also it's a little bit of psychological torture to move home.

Dan has never said no.

I don't think I'd want to run for Congress, I think I'd want to like if there was one office to run for, it'd be like governor.

Oh, interesting.

Why is that? What's your logic?

If you're a governor, you can get a lot of shit done. If I was younger, maybe right? Like, if you were going to live your whole life in Congress and just kind of go up through the ranks? Yeah, that's one thing, but I don't know. I think it'd be more fun to be a governor somewhere.

Any state.

California is kind of a big one. Why? Well, that's the other thing is, no, you need a state. Well, you don't. I do need a state with a capital.

Hey, we sell out shows in Sacramento, Sacramento's great.

I'm here to defend Sacramento.

Yeah, light the beam.

You know what? I had one work trip to Sacramento that was just in the middle of the summer.

I feel like you've opened up a content door to Sacramento now, and this won't be the last we've heard of it.

Yeah.

Priyanka, Where would you run? What would you run for? I don't know.

I honestly feel like I don't know if you were like, governor, I would be like, Oh, cool, I'll come work in your office. Like, I don't know if I feel like I want to be like the one making the big decisions.

I hear you, let me just say you're hired.

I like being on a team, I think it's fun, I think I have good vibes. I think that is like something I actually really would enjoy. That's probably what I would do.

Elijah, are you running in North Carolina?

I think, yeah, you know, start a local North Carolina. Love Greensboro, love my city and my state. But if I was going to be involved in politics outside of media, it'd definitely be like, ambassadorship to, like, you know, France or somewhere cool. Those are the best positions, appointed positions.

I mean, a Gordon Sondland reference in 2023?

Speaking of terminally online.

Or knowledgeable about his industry?

That's on the top of the dome, too. I will say, so that'll go ahead and wrap up terminally online this week. Thank you all so much for your questions, thanks for listening and we'll see you all next week.

Bye everyone.

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