#2012 - Gad Saad
2023-07-26 03:07:21
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How are you, sir? Oh my god, I'm excited to see you.
Good to see you, it's always great to see you.
I think this is the ninth time I appear. So, am I entering, kind of Hall of Fame status?
Yeah, there's like, after five, anybody with more than five.
That should be like the top line on my CV. Forget about all the other bullshit. Nine times on Joe Rogan.
We've had some fun conversations.
Yeah, before we start, today, July 25th, is the release of my latest book. Here's a copy for you, sir.
Thank you very much. The Sad Truths About Happiness. Eight Secrets for Leading the Good Life.
Boom. Alright. Please read it. I will. You'll enjoy it.
Did you do the audiobook?
I swear to God, the number one thing I was worried that you were going to ask me was that. And you lead off with that. So, here's what happened.
An actor does it.
So, he has a beautiful voice.
I insisted. I said, Joe Rogan berated me on his show for maybe 15 minutes. Listen to him. They pitched it to the audio publisher. The audio publisher said, sorry, we do in-house narration.
So, I think for the next book, I'll put it as part of the contract.
Yeah, it has to be. They're silly. They're silly, especially when you're a public figure. Like, there's hours and hours and hours, and hours and hours and hours of you talking.
Indeed.
Now, when people want to hear your words, they want to hear them through your mouth.
And it's personal stories.
Yes. It makes no sense.
I'm sold. Believe me, I fought the fight. That's so crazy.
I know. But it's such a silly fight to have when someone's a professional public speaker. Yeah. Like yourself. Like, it, doesn't make any sense.
With a very velvety voice.
Velvety. Smooth. And, you know, who's closer to the subject matter?
Right? Indeed. Come on.
You know the truth behind the words. Like, you're going to say these things. If you're talking about, especially like, real life experiences, you're saying them as you.
I lead off, by the way, in the first chapter to talk about sort of existential happiness, about how I came very close to being aborted in Lebanon. I don't want somebody else to be telling that story. Right. Right. Right.
Of course.
Your story is wild. Yeah. You know, what I find about people like yourself that have been through, like, a really scary thing. Really scary. Like, genuinely scary.
Like, scary threats are your life. War zone stuff. Folks like yourself have so much less patience for nonsense.
And that's why I sometimes can appear irascible. Yeah. When I go after. Because sometimes people will say, you know, when I meet you, you seem so much nicer and warmer than how you are on social media. But I'm not trying to be mean on social media.
It's that I'm pissed off at the bullshit. And so it comes across as though, you know, I'm cantankerous and combative. But I'm just really fighting, hopefully, the good fight.
The real problem with social media is the problem with human beings. It's tribal group, think. And it overwhelms these groups of people that you associate with. And then narratives get formed. And you can't stray outside those narratives.
You can't even look at objective reality. You can't look at data. You can't look. It just becomes so crazy. The ideology and the adherence to that ideology trumps everything.
It trumps the truth. It trumps. You're willing, as long as the politician is on your side, to ignore craziness, corruption, horrible shit. You ignore all of it.
Perfect example of that. I hate to say that I've seen his feed. Meathead from All in the Family. Rob Reiner. Have you ever gone to his...
I've read a couple of tweets and I'm like, I'm out. I love his work too much.
I know. I know. It's hard to then. like his work. He is so overwhelmingly obsessed with Trump.
Stephen King is another guy who fits that description.
Something happens to old liberals with a ton of money.
It's like something happens to those old creative types. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that you're arguing with people online about it all day long. If you're Rob Reiner or if you're Stephen King. Like putting nasty tweets out.
It's like, come on.
I actually wrote, maybe it was shameless plugging of my book, but I responded to Rob Reiner. I said, let me send you a copy of my book. Man, there's so much that you have to be happy about. Stop being mired endlessly in vitriol. I mean, that's all he does.
I mean, imagine this guy, how many things he's got to be grateful about. He's a creative guy, a talented guy. And he spends all day obsessing on issues that ultimately he's got no control over.
Well, people viewed Trump as an existential threat to the very fundamentals of the country. They thought that he was going to come in and he was going to represent corruption on a level that we've never seen before. But the problem with doing that and saying that is that it opens the door to examining all the other corruption. How much corruption is there? How much money are you guys making?
Where is this money coming from? There's so much corruption that's readily available that once you start opening the door to calling someone a monster, then everyone gets to look at you and go, hey, but what about you guys? What are you doing? What about drone bombings? Let's talk about some real problems.
What about the fentanyl crisis? What about the borders where criminals are coming through? How many are being sent back? What's the numbers? What's the numbers?
I mean, a lot of them are good people that just want to find a better way to live and good for them. And I would do it too. If I could sneak across into America and be assimilated, I would fucking do it. Why wouldn't you? If you've got a bad roll of the dice and you're living in somewhere that's less favorable and you get the opportunity to, just, all you have to do is get across the river and they let you in.
But how many of those people shouldn't be here? How many of those people are dangerous? How many? What's the number? It's not zero.
What's the number?
Well, I could tell you that we've talked about this in the past, when we talked about people who come from certain cultures where there is rampant anti-Semitism. Yes. And so if you let people that are coming from cultures where, when they're pulled, somewhere between 90 to 99% of them will exhibit rampant Jew hatred, it doesn't take much of a sociologist or a survey analyst to recognize that, out of all those people that are coming in, you're going to have an increase of Jew hatred. Yesterday I was out with some friends here in Austin. And so one of them asked me, have you seen an uptake on Jew hatred?
Are you exposed to more? I say, it's endless. I mean, it's usually on social media.
Do you think it's ramped up? Or do you think now that Elon has taken over Twitter and allowed much more free speech?
Hard for me to tell. I really don't know. But there is kind of a normalized... Now, many of them are behind anonymous accounts. Of course.
But there is kind of a cavalier normalization of just saying... So, for example, I think someone had retweeted a promotional thing about my book. And someone said, why are you promoting the Jew? You're like, my God, this guy could be your son's teacher. He could be the grocer at the store.
You know what? I have a real concern with that. And I also have a real concern with vested entities like organizations that would want people to be at each other's throats. Stirring up things with fake social media posts. Because this is a real problem that's happening in the world right now.
Someone tweeted a bunch of different examples of where dozens and dozens of accounts are saying the same inflammatory things with the exact same wordage. Exact. And they're all like... They have numbers and letters in their accounts. Just random accounts.
And you go to their page. It looks kind of real. They have a photo. There's them with a flag. And you go through it.
But you get this sense like, oh, you're a bot. You're not even a real person. So you're an agent of. you're stirring up bullshit. So there's a certain aspect of our culture.
I don't know what the percentage is. But there's a certain aspect of the conversations online that are being flavored by fake accounts that are designed to get people upset with each other. It's like psychological warfare on a level that no one anticipated. And no one's prepared for. Because when you have the two things we already discussed.
Like this adherence to the ideology, no matter what. No matter what. Like, there's no... You can't objectively, logically defend any of the things that are in opposition of it. And then you have this.
So are you... I noticed. I mean, obviously, we follow each other on Twitter. You almost never. I mean, short of the recent thing you did with Peter Hotez.
You almost never weigh in on anything. Was that sort of a conscious thing for you to step back?
Yeah. Well, with that one, it was like, okay, this is crazy. You're saying that he made some crazy tweet about neo-fascist leaders.
Yeah, I saw that.
What are you talking about? Like with Robert Kennedy Jr. I'm like, this is dangerous. Like, what you're saying is totally untrue. You know it's untrue.
And you're willing to just say it. Because the more you can discredit someone who's in opposition to some of your ideas. The more you can somehow or another. in your weird game of checkers, you're playing. Like elevate yourself.
You don't think people know what you're doing? Like that's like the most clear... Neo-fascist? Like what the fuck are you saying?
Did you feel more angry at the fact that you had already had a conversation with him? And so there was some kind of personal connection between you two? I mean Einstein is not your best friend. For sure.
I've had him on. at least... Was he on twice? Twice. I've had him on twice.
I was very nice to him. Even in disagreement with him in issues of health. I was very nice to him. But you can't just say stuff like that. And, you know, it's like.
I just wanted to say like, have a debate with the guy. Yeah. Like, have a debate with the guy.
So what ended up happening? I think it got up to like two million dollars.
He's not going to do it. He won't do it. You know, I don't think he wants to do it. You know, and there's the idea that, like Robert Kennedy, would be too silver-tongued. Like, stop, come on.
Because he's a lawyer, you know, and he's really good at arguing. stuff. Like, if you either have facts or you don't have facts. Right. And if you're scared to debate the facts, I have to go, what are these facts?
What's bothering you? What are you worried that he might bring up? I mean, what are we saying?
It could be the case. So, for example, I've been often asked, why don't you debate creationists about evolution? And I take the position there of Richard Dawkins, which is it's not that I'm too haughty to debate anyone. It's that there's almost no chance that I could present any evidence that would cause you to alter your position. Yeah.
So it's really a losing proposition. So could it be that Peter Hotez is coming from that perspective?
It could, but you know what I would say to that? Even in your case, it is preposterous for someone to not believe that at least there's a process of evolution at this stage. Right. It's kind of crazy, because there's evidence of things that are happening where things are adapting to their environment right now that we've tracked.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, there's a little antelope in the Congo that swims underwater and eats fish?
Is that right? Yeah.
It's called a duiker. I think it's called a duiker. D-I-K-E-R. I think that's how you say it. But this little animal evolved, lived on grasslands and the grasslands became rainforests.
and when the grasslands, these little prairie animals were trapped inside the Congo. There's an amazing BBC documentary about it. But they've got like, these. things are evolving. Like they're figuring out how to swim.
But believe me, having spent 30 years trying to convince some of my academic colleagues about the value of evolution and studying human behavior, they'll go la la la, I don't want to hear it.
With human behavior. Yeah. And especially with, you know, certain narratives. So this one is just swimming in the water. But these motherfuckers can go underwater.
The duikers that they were talking about in the Congo, they can swim underwater for like 100 yards.
Why do I feel that the crocodile is about to hit at any second now?
Because we've seen too many of those videos.
That is arguably one of the scariest. Scenarios? Yes.
The scariest. The fucking scariest. I have to pause. Something happened with my video. Oh.
Right now. Oh. It's mixing your two things really strangely. Do we gotta reboot? Not a reboot.
I just gotta figure out what happened. Oh, okay.
But we got everything else?
No, yeah. It's just, yeah, when I cut to your camera, it's blending them together in a strange way. People are only listening to audio. This is a special segment of the podcast. It's only just for you.
There you go.
Because the video's fucked. Should we stop talking? I mean, you can keep talking. It's just that the video looks weird. So I don't want to be a distraction.
All right. Well, let's fix it. We'll pause. We'll be right back. We're back.
All right.
A little technical difficulties.
I just want to close the parenthesis on something that happened from last show. Oh. Incredible story. You ready?
Yeah.
That actually speaks about connecting with people. So last show, you had asked me, or not. you had asked me, we were talking about who would be some guests that we'd really want to have on our respective shows, and you probably don't remember what my two celebrities were. Do you, by any chance?
I don't remember.
Clint Eastwood. And first, I appreciate his politics. I've been watching him since I was a kid in Lebanon. Number two was Burt Bacharach. Do you remember who that is?
I don't remember the name.
Burt Bacharach is the music composer who's basically written songs for everybody. He was featured in one of the Austin Powers movies where the guy says, ladies and gentlemen, Burt Bacharach. Anyways, after our chat aired, I go on my Instagram, I have a personal DM, private DM from what looks like the account of Burt Bacharach, who's arguably the biggest musical composer in the United States. So I'm extremely excited. It turns out it was his son who said, oh, your clip with Joe Rogan was passed on to me, and I think it would be great, for, I'd love for my dad to come on your show.
Now, cut to the punchline. It never ended up happening. He recently passed away, so perhaps he wasn't, I mean, he was like 94, 95.. But just the fact that you and I are having a conversation, someone else picks it up, and then my word can, my world can intersect with Burt Bacharach, whom there is no conceivable place where his word and her world and mine would ever connect. That's the beauty of life.
Wow, that is the beauty of life. That's awesome.
Isn't that amazing? Yeah. You are a connector, sir.
I try to be. Clint Eastwood would be an interesting guy to talk to. Like, the guy still works. He's like 93 years old, still out there making movies. Still enjoys it.
I remember in Lebanon when I, you know, I only learned English when I moved to Canada when I was 11, and I got all the communication I needed to get. Even though there wasn't much dialogue in the Spaghetti Westerns, I would look at him and I would say, that's the man, you know?
Remember Every Which Way But Loose? Of course. He hung around with an orangutan.
So that's a bit later, right? That's a fucking movie. That's in the 70s, right?
I believe so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe it was the 70s.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He played a bare knuckle boxer.
That's right.
Who traveled around with an orangutan. That's right.
Yeah, I think that sounds like 77.. But I'm talking in the 60s. I'm talking, you know, 65, 67, 68, when I'm, you know, four or five years old, and I'm watching this guy in Lebanon. Wow. That's the power of, you know, the male archetype.
That is still Every Which Way, But Loose, right? I'm not conflating two movies, right? That's the movie where he was the bare knuckle boxer, isn't it?
I think that sounds right.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I think at the time, his love interest in that movie.
What the hell was that, Jamie? What was that? Jesus, Jamie. You got the wrong tab. Open up, son.
I've heard the trailer. How dare you?
How about taking in a new movie?
Okay. Which I like.
There's a lot.
I guess that's what this trailer is. I don't know why there's nothing on it. Oh, you can't see the video? I don't know yet.
Oh, what is happening? Okay.
Yeah. But it's weird. Oh, there's a video. That's the one.
Yeah, I guess so.
I don't know what that voice is over it. It seems like someone was...
Oh, I said 77.. It's 78.. There you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is a dumbass movie.
Those movies are great, though. I love movies from that era. Like, ridiculous. Like, Smokey and the Bandit. Yeah.
I mean, come on, man. Jackie Gleason. You got Burt Reynolds. Sally Field.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Come on. That's a fun movie.
Yeah, yeah.
Jackie Gleason plays a cop. It's hilarious.
Yeah, yeah. What's your favorite movie of all time, if you have to pick one?
I really don't think I have one. But you know what I watched recently, I re-watched, is 2001, Space Odyssey. I forgot how good that was. That movie is amazing. It's not just amazing, it's amazing visually.
And it's from 1968.. Yeah, it's amazing. The special effects are so good. Like, all through it. Like, even the apes in the beginning, you know, the scene where they're evolving.
Yeah. When they encounter the monolith. The fucking special effects on the apes is pretty goddamn good for 1968.. Yeah, yeah.
My all-time favorite, the original 12 Angry Men. I first saw, and actually it speaks to what we talked about earlier, about how you can't get someone to change their mind when they're in a tribal mindset. Because I watched the movie for the first time in a first semester. I was an MBA student, and I was taking an organizational behavior class where the professor assigned us that movie to watch it to demonstrate group dynamics. Because, for those of you who don't, have you seen it, Joe?
I don't think I have.
Oh, you need to. Rent it tonight. Who's in it? It's Henry Fonda. That's it.
That's the one.
Okay, I think I have, but it was a long, long time ago.
So let me tell you the premise. Twelve guys get together in a room. They're trying to discuss whether a guy should be found guilty. They take a poll. Eleven, say he's absolutely guilty.
Let's go home. One guy, Henry Fonda, says, hey, let's sit and talk about it. The rest of the movie is how he gets each of the eleven other guys to flip their positions. And so that's why I had watched it in that MBA course, because it demonstrates how there are techniques you can use to try to persuade people. Of course, today you could almost never do it.
I could never convince Rob Reiner of anything.
I mean, I wouldn't necessarily say that. I think some people are just really deeply cemented in their belief systems. And maybe they can relax.
You're a human being. If you're a human being and you're willing to look at objective truth, you can realize that there's some other things afoot. There's a tribal aspect to all of our ideological problems that makes objective reasoning a giant problem. It gets in the way of everything, because people are so tribally committed right now. And they're tribally committed to this idea that the other side is the end of the world if they take power.
And there's all these different things that are bounced back around, these societal issues that keep getting bounced back around. Why aren't these resolved? Like the Roe v. Wade one, and now they're talking about gay marriage, doing the same thing with gay marriage. Why do you want to do this?
Are you doing this? because you just want people to squabble about shit? Because that's what it seems like. Because that's the only reason why you would have Supreme Court conversations about gay marriage in 2023.. Why would you?
Fuck. Why? What?
We've already had that debate. We're gone. We passed that.
We passed that. So if people even want to bring it up for debate, is that real? Or is this one of those things that keeps us culturally squabbling? And it keeps people ideologically connected to one group and opposed, with all their vitriol, the other group. They're monsters.
They're evil. They're the ruin of society. And this fucking bipolar aspect to our society, it's fed by social media. It's fed by these fake accounts. It's fed by soulless commentators.
The saddest part is when that tribalism comes into your own family. So here's an incredible story. I've appeared on Tucker Carlson's old show several times on television, but his long-form podcast that he used to do, he had invited us, meaning my family and I, to Florida to do his show. He was super gracious, super warm with everybody, with my kids and so on. And so I put out a tweet just thanking him for his hospitality.
Hey, Tucker, it was so nice to meet you. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to chat, blah, blah, blah. A cousin of mine, Joe, who went through the Lebanese Civil War with me and who was my best friend growing up in Lebanon. So you would think that if there's ever a relationship that's cemented in the trials and tribulations of our childhood, it would be that relationship. So he puts out a tweet and he says something.
I mean, I don't remember exactly, although I quoted in the book on happiness, because I'm basically arguing, don't live your life like my cousin. He puts out a tweet saying something like, have you no shame? So he decides to publicly shame me for being associated or agreeing to go on Tucker Carlson's show. That shows you what tribalism can do to the human mind. It takes something as difficult as what we went through through the Lebanese Civil War and it erases it, because he can't believe that I could do something as grotesque as to talk to Tucker Carlson.
Yeah, and if you asked him for examples, specific examples of why Tucker Carlson is so horrible, that's where it would get interesting. Because some people might be able to say some things they found disagreeable, but most people are just sticking to a narrative. There's just this narrative that he is evil incarnate, he is a transphobe, or whatever it is.
He's a Putin stooge.
Yeah, he's a Putin stooge. There's all these different things, but they want to ignore all evidence that he's a lovely guy.
And he really is.
By all accounts, by all accounts. All the people that I know that have had interactions with him say he's a very lovely guy. Including my friend Steve Rinella, he had him on a podcast. And these people, they had these ideas of who he was before he came on his podcast. And he's like, they all came away like, I really like him.
He's a really nice guy. Even if you don't agree with his politics, he seems like a really nice guy.
Gracious, down to earth. What I love, you know how you often say if you want to know whether the date that you're out with is a good person, see how he or she treats the server at the restaurant? Sure. So the way he interacted with my children, right? He was focused on them.
So how are you doing? How are you enjoying? So he's taking his time. He's not acting haughty and I'm this big star. He is focused on my children.
I thought that was really lovely. That's what I was trying to convey in that tweet. But to my cousin, that was beyond the pale.
Yeah, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate that someone would turn on you like that.
Yeah.
It's just so foolish. It's so foolish because it's, first of all, that should be something that you would have a conversation with somebody about. Like, if I care about someone, they're talking to someone that I find egregious. I think you would have a conversation with them. You call them up.
Hey, man, this is what I think. You tell me what you think. I want to know what you think. There are certain narratives that you can't. Like.
anything on Fox News. is the Hitler. It's the Hitler. It's the evil.
Well, I'll be on the Hitler channel tomorrow when I go to Greg Gutfeld.
Yeah, it's like, I mean, I think they're trying to reform that in some sort of a way. And I think Fox News is getting a lot of pushback from people on the right that are very concerned with some of the decisions they're making. They're kind of going down the same path that a lot of these other corporations have gone down.
Do you have a sense of what happened? Do you have any?
I don't know. So I don't know what happened with Tucker Carlson. I don't know why he got fired. I know as much as the average person who reads Reddit. I know some conspiracies.
I know he was kind of a wild fellow when you think about what he was doing on a major television show implicating the CIA in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And he's saying it with utmost certainty.
So you think that the reason of firing him was that they thought that he didn't adhere to some journalistic ethic or rigor or something like that?
I don't know. That could be the case. I don't know. I would think that when you have a network that's run by advertising, what you do for income, I would imagine there's a lot of pressure by those people, those advertisers, to eliminate threats to their business. So if you've got some wild dude on Fox News who's saying a bunch of shit about whatever it is, whether it's why we're in Ukraine, whether it's why you're mandating vaccines, having that kind of stuff on regular television, it's a big problem to anybody that's selling advertisement.
that's in those businesses.
Apparently, Budweiser didn't learn that lesson.
Well, see, the difference between Budweiser and pharmaceutical drug companies is that Budweiser is not prescribed.
Right.
It's not recommended by your doctor.
Right.
You don't go to CVS to pick it up. It's different. And so this is something that you can't really criticize a brand and say, yeah, we don't buy Pfizer around these parts anymore. That doesn't work. It's not going to work.
You can do that with Budweiser, though. And you can do that with, like, that's probably going to happen with some other stuff, too. Like, people are upset at the Country Music Channel. Oh, yeah, yeah. The Jason Aldean song.
Yeah, Jason Aldean song. Try that in a small town. Yeah. The level of outrage. Now, I'm not saying that's the greatest song the world's ever known, you know, but the level of outrage coming from people that are upset about that song is so strange.
When there are hundreds of rap songs out there that are infinitely worse and also enjoyable.
Misogynistic, qualifying violence. Oh, yeah.
And no complaints at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we're not even talking about old stuff. There's new stuff, too. There's hip-hop.
There's wild rock songs. There's a lot of wild shit. And to be focusing on that one. And it's the racial aspect of it, that was crazy. Because, like, the real Antifa problems that were happening during the BLM, I think there was a lot of white people doing that.
Wasn't it? It was a lot of, like, lost liberal whites who were very angry, who decided to take up this movement and smash things. So, like, the racial aspect of it, there's nothing racial about the lyrics.
Or how about the Tracy Allman controversy?
No, I did not.
So, she wrote in the, I don't know if you remember, I think it was 1988, she had this iconic song, Fast Car. Yes.
Oh, right, right, right.
And then this, I guess he's a country musician.
Tracy Chapman.
Chapman. That's Allman. Oh, she's an actress, right? She's a comedian. Yes.
Tracy Chapman.
Chapman, yeah.
And then this singer asked for her permission, I guess, to do a cover and so on. It's amazing. And then people came out that, you know, the white guy is usurping this.
Yeah, well, but that's always going to happen. You're always going to have a certain amount of people to say that. Yeah. It doesn't mean it's real. It also, and apparently she's happy that he's doing it.
Well, no kidding.
Everybody's good. And it's a great song. I mean, it's really good. He didn't even change the gender, like when he sang it. Yeah, yeah.
You know? Yeah. I can become a checkout girl. It says checkout girl. Right.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what else is up? I think we were going to talk about what my impression of some of the prices in Austin.
Oh, yeah, you were telling me that an espresso was $8..
So, yeah, so yesterday I went out with, actually I was at the hotel and two friends came by to, one of whom I think has been on your show, Michael Malice.
Yeah, I love that dude.
Yeah, he's lovely. And the other guy is a professor at UT Austin. who's really, Richard Lowery, who's really fighting. He's very much of an academic, honey badger, fighting against all the woke stuff. And so we were just hanging out.
One of the guys ordered a Diet Coke and two of us ordered two espressos. The bill came. It was, with the tip, $28.. And I'm thinking, this is like Oprah money. Who can afford these prices?
You tell me. What's going on in Austin?
I have no idea. I didn't go to that place.
I don't know. But, I mean, in general, the real estate, everything is completely doubled, tripled. It's going, I mean, I understand that it's because it's a hot place.
Yeah, but espresso shouldn't be $8, right? Which is espresso cost.
Well, in Montreal it'll be $4 or $5 is normal. Montreal would be maybe, for an espresso, so it's a short espresso, single espresso, $3.50..
It's hard for people to believe. But when I was growing up, there was no Starbucks. Right. People did not, they did not like coffee like they like coffee. now.
They are the greatest drug dealers the world's ever known. They're slinging that sweet caffeine all over this country. And that's what it is. It's the best drug dealing operation the world's ever known. Because it's a super mild, productive drug that everybody enjoys.
It feels like a warm hug.
I feel the requisite drug conversations coming up. Here we go on a 30-minute conversation.
No, but this is like a good drug.
Whatever bad effects you get from coffee, they're so minimal. There's even links to good health benefits from it. I think there's worry. People used to worry about dehydration, but I don't think they worry about that as much anymore when it comes to drinking coffee. They used to think that if you drank a lot of coffee, you would get dehydrated.
But there's a certain amount of hydration you're actually getting from drinking coffee, too. So it's kind of complicated, because it is kind of a diuretic, but you're also drinking it.
That's a perfect segue into one of the chapters of the book. I talk about everything in moderation.
Aristotle already talked about the golden mean. If a soldier is too cowardly, it's not good. If he's too reckless, he's going to die. Like most things, the sweet spot is in the middle. In that chapter, I go through a bewildering number of phenomena.
All of which adhere to that inverted view. Too little is not good. Too much is not good. And the ideal point is in the middle. Exercise intensity, inverted view.
Alcohol consumption, inverted view. Coffee consumption, inverted view. Fish consumption, inverted view. And so I thought that was a really cool chapter to cover, because it's arguably the most universal law that we can find. So many things adhere to that inverted view.
And I think we had discussed this last time that I was on the show. The ancient Greeks were already aware of it. Aristotle, in his Michael Machian Ethics talks exactly. I mean he doesn't call it the inverted view. He calls it the golden mean.
And so to our earlier conversation. the last time I was here in going through the research for this book. The amount of insights I found from Seneca, Epictetus, Aristotle, Marcus Aurelius was just breathtaking. It was unbelievable.
Yeah, I just got back from Greece.
Was that right?
Yeah, I was in Greece for two weeks. And I saw the Parthenon and we went to Ulysses. Went, to Dallos. Went, to a bunch of different islands. It was really interesting, man.
We checked out a bunch of ruins. And it's just so hard to even wrap your head around what was going on there 2,000 plus years ago.
Yeah, indeed. I did five islands. So maybe we can compare notes. I did Corfu, Crete, Naxos, Santorini. And the fifth one, I'm leaving.
to the end. I asked the captain, take us. At the time I was traveling with a buddy of mine after school. This is like 1990.. I said take us to an island that's completely void of tourists.
And so he dropped us off on an island, volcanic island called Pholigandros. And we spent, I think, maybe two days there. Not a single tourist. Just hanging out with the locals. They didn't speak a word of French or English.
And it was just magical. Wow. Where did you go? Which islands did you go to?
We went to a bunch of them. I can't remember all the names. Mykonos.
All right. But that's tons of tourists, right?
Yeah, there was a lot of people there. We went to, oh, my God. I'm not going to remember. A bunch of weird ones. But it was really fun.
And it was relaxing. But the most mind-blowing thing was seeing the Parthenon. And seeing Ulysses and walking around there.
Yeah, we just came back from Portugal. We did 16 days in Portugal. First time ever.
I think it's Ulysses. I'm saying Ulysses. It's Ulysses.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, really enjoyed Portugal. With the exception, apologies to all of my Portuguese listeners and fans. Not a very attractive language.
You don't like their language?
I don't like their language.
Do you hear it coming out of Brazil? It sounds amazing.
Brazilian Portuguese is nicer than Portuguese Portuguese. Oh, no. I'm stealing here some. I think it was a comedian who said this. But who said something like, Portuguese is akin to someone having a perpetual stroke.
In the way that, you know, fazal, wow. There's kind of a twisting of the mouth that appears unnatural. And I can see that. Because I found that it wasn't the most pleasant. So now I'm going to get hate mail from Portuguese people.
Yeah, they're going to be very mad at you. Because Brazilian Portuguese is beautiful. It's got a flow. It's got a flow, yeah. It's like a dance.
Italian, you know, it's a universally loved language. French is spoken in France. now. I'm going to upset the next group of people. Quebec.
French is an affront to human dignity. What? Yes, sir. I said it. What?
Yes. It's horrifying.
I can't believe what you're saying.
Now listen to this. My wife is able to switch her French depending on whom she's speaking with. So, if she's speaking with someone who speaks international French, she'll speak in a regular manner. Not Parisian French, but like an international French. I speak an international French because we're from Lebanon.
When she speaks to a Quebecer, she turns into a complete Quebecer. And oftentimes I say, how did you just do that? That sounds so inauthentic. She goes, well, no, because if I speak in the regular French, then it'll come across as haughty. But that to me is so strange because that would be like I speak with an Oxford accent with one person.
Right. And then I turn into the Southern drawl with the other person, depending on who. That doesn't sound – there's a falsity to that.
There's a good argument. There's a good argument that there's a falsity to that. Yeah. But there's also a good argument that, like, there's like a cultural, agreed upon way of communicating. You know, like if you started talking like that today, people would go, what are you doing, man?
Right. We don't talk like that anymore.
Do you think I have an accent in English?
You don't have an accent. You have a very distinct way of talking.
Okay. So, you couldn't say, oh, you're American or Canadian.
Well, you have – there's that. Like. your words are very clear, but there's like there's something going on. Right. Yeah.
It's clear there's something going on there. Right. But that's a fascinating thing about a person that's able to speak multiple languages. It's like you're speaking English, but you're speaking English perfectly, with, like, a little bit of a twist to it. Right.
Which is, I guess, an accent. So, I guess the answer is yes.
Arguably, my only regret as a parent so far, may it be the only one that I ever experienced, has been that we haven't passed on our linguistic heritage, we meaning my wife and I, to our children. So, I speak Arabic as my mother tongue, French, English, and Hebrew. My wife speaks Armenian. And so, between the two of us, we've got five languages, and yet our children only speak French and English. And the reason for that is because if I were to speak to them in Arabic or Hebrew, my wife would be locked out.
And if she speaks to them in Armenian, I would be locked out. And so, we ended up just agreeing on the two languages that we both speak. But now, both our children are telling us that they regret. Because when they see me meeting someone who's Arabic, and we break out the beautiful Arabic, at least my son has been saying, you know, Daddy, you should only speak to me in Arabic. But now it feels as if it's a vocabulary lesson, right?
So, I'm telling him, here is how you say, he goes, no, but just speak to me.
Right.
But that's easy to do when you're, you know, one year old, when you're 11, 12, 13.. It feels false to start speaking to you in Arabic when you don't speak a word of Arabic, you know?
Yeah, but that's a great way for him to learn.
Yeah, indeed.
Wouldn't it be? Yeah, of course. Because he'd have to keep up.
He'd have to keep up.
Yeah. That's what they say, like, if you really want to learn a language, really want to learn it, move to a place.
Oh, absolutely. I mean, one of the things that I regret the most is that I haven't been able to return ever to Lebanon. Because if I were to go on a visiting professorship, to, say, American University of Beirut, for a year, they're going to come back flawless Arabic speakers. And especially, I mean, now my daughter's 14, he's 11.. So, they're sort of entering that period where they're pretty much soon not going to be able to ever speak it like a native speaker.
There's something magical that happens around puberty where if you learn a language after that period, you can never speak it without an accent.
Really?
Yeah. Wow. And it really is. And no one exactly knows what causes that mechanism. So, for example, I learned English at 11, and that was the genesis for why I asked you, do I have an accent?
Because I would expect that the time at which I learned it, I snuck in just before that period. Had I learned it when I was 13,, 14, 15, I could have spoken it perfectly, but you would have detected a much stronger accent.
That's interesting. Yeah. That's a strange thing about human development, and just the sounds that we all agree upon. that equal the words.
Well, there are tons of sounds in Arabic. Let's see if you can do them. You ready? First time ever on The Joe Rogan Experience. Give me a try.
Okay. So, for example, my last name, everybody, all Americans, will say sad. You just extend the A. But the proper way to say it, it's God side. Sad.
Right.
It's like Arnold. Like if Arnold was going to say it.
It's sort of like, exactly. Or, for example, can you say not there's and they're coming from different parts from my throat.
What? Yeah. Those are all.
So, if I say the Arabic people are going to laugh at this. That means you're shit. Okay.
Okay.
It's a K.
Okay.
That means you're an ass. Okay. You're an idiot.
Say it again.
The second one?
Yeah.
But see, you're saying K. It's H.
Okay.
First time ever? Are we breaking new ground?
Oh, yeah. For sure. I've never even tried to say these words. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, it's Arabic. Earlier, I said some derogatory things about Portuguese and about French Canadian. So, let me be fair and say not Arabic. Hebrew, which is also, you know, one of them from my heritage, is a violently ugly language.
On the other hand, Arabic, as spoken by the Lebanese. And I'm not saying this because I'm Lebanese. Because, you know, Arabic comes in many different dialects, right? There's Iraqi Arabic. There is North African Arabic.
There's Egyptian Arabic. The Lebanese Arabic is really the Italian of Arabic dialects. Get ready for some comments now, coming your way.
Isn't it weird how, when they have horror movies, whenever someone's, like, calling a demon, they always have to do it in an old language?
Meaning? Like what?
It's always in Latin or something. Oh, right. Okay. They're always reading from some book. they're not supposed to be reading from.
What does it say? And they're like... And then the demons come. Like, you have to say the magic old words that people don't understand. There's probably some weird...
You're a psychologist. Yes. You understand that shit.
That's interesting. What's going on there? Yeah. You're putting me on the... It's always, right?
It's always like a dead language. Or an old language.
Well, I think it's because of that. So, because it's an extinct language, it's somehow...
Calling demons.
It's calling demons that exist in another world. I think it's as simple as that.
What a dumb concept that the way to call demons is like by saying a word. Like making a noise with your mouth. It's the perfect frequency.
Or say Candyman in front of the mirror, three times. Scariest movie of all times, as we were talking earlier about our favorite movie, Halloween, first one, Jamie Lee Curtis.
Is it really?
Till today, I would probably have a heart... See, what scares me about horror movies is not the supernatural stuff. It's the being startled. You see what I mean? Yeah.
So, often times when I'm watching a horror movie, I will block my ears because it's that sudden sound that really scares me.
I think if I had to pick an all time scariest movie, I think I would say the first Alien.
Love that movie.
The first Alien movie, that is a scary movie. It's very different than all the other Alien movies. Because in all the other Alien movies, the Aliens are kind of out in the open and you shoot a bunch of them. They're coming from all over the place. It's way unrealistic, by the way.
We can get into that.
Have you seen the documentary of the making of Alien? I have. Isn't it amazing?
It's amazing. That HR, how do you say his name? Geiger? HR. Geiger?
The artist that designed it? The artist, yeah. Oh my God. Unbelievable. What a unique vision.
Unreal.
His art was so strange. That creature that he created was fucking amazing. It was literally like the ultimate terrifying alien predator.
And a feminist empowerment, because the alien is a female.
Oh, the big one. The mother.
The mother is a girl.
The second one. But this movie is so fucking good. It's so good and it's so scary. It's a great sci-fi movie, but it's also fucking scary. Like you're talking about being startled.
Yeah, yeah. And that alien in this movie is elusive and intelligent and traps people. Yeah. And you get to see it in brief glances. And then in the new movies after that, like aliens, it's kind of a different thing going on.
Because you can kill them easy. Yeah, yeah. I just blasted a bunch of them. And then the mother is at you, but you've got a robot body, so you're all good. Like so much ridiculousness that it just hurts my feelings.
Have you ever seen 1980, Brian De Palma's Dressed to Kill? Which is kind of a precursor to all the transgender stuff that we hear today. Have you seen that movie? No. Oh, it's fantastic.
Michael Caine, Angie Dickinson.
You're amazing, Jamie. It comes out. You're a wizard. You have to see this movie, Joe.
Is she supposedly transgender in this movie? No.
So what happens is – can I give away some stuff?
Yeah, it's a spoiler.
It's a spoiler.
From the 20s. 43 years old. You got it.
Well, but if somebody wants to see it. So she is sexually frustrated with her in her marriage. So she goes to see a psychiatrist, played by Michael Caine, who, as she's telling him her sexual stories, is becoming aroused. But he turns out to be a guy who wants to become a transsexual, him the psychiatrist. And so he doesn't like the idea of being aroused as a male, because it is then attacking his desire to make the transition into being a female.
And so, Dressed to Kill, the movie, is him dressing up as a – there you go. That's Michael Caine.
Oh, my God.
It's phenomenal. I saw it as a 15-year-old. I think that was my first exposure to transsexual operations.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is an amazing movie. I highly, highly recommend it.
1980?.
1980. 1980. 15 years old.
Wow.
This was the year, by the way, that year when my – not this is a weird segue, but when my parents were freed in Lebanon after having been kidnapped by Fatah in 1980.. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I remember I was 15 years old. Another thing that happened to me when I was 15 years old, I broke my nose in soccer and then had to have it reset by the surgeon.
And so for about a week, I wore a face cast.
Did you get it fixed where you can breathe out of both nostrils?
I think I can, yeah. But, yeah, it was –.
That is so important. If anybody out here is listening and you have a deviated septum, get that fixed. If you can. If it's safe to do, because it's like the benefits of being able to breathe out of your nose.
Speaking of athletics, I remember many years ago I had come on the show where I was singing the glory of, yeah, Lionel Messi. And you were like, who? Right. Who's Lionel Messi? And then you mentioned some MMA fighter that I'd never heard of.
And I remember your exact response. You looked at me and said, how dare you, sir? Let me flip it back to you. So are you now – you are a Messi fan. finally?
You've come around to the truth?
Well, he's an amazing soccer player.
Oh, that goal.
There's no denying.
Okay, well, let me – since I'm on the number one show in the world – He's a wizard.
Didn't? they offer him like some fucking insane amount of money, and he just said no?
Saudi Arabia.
How much did they offer him? A different guy just got offered a billion dollars for one year.
Yeah, Mbappe. What? Mbappe, Mbappe.
What? A billion for a year? Well, $330 of that is so that he can transfer to the team, and then $771 is for his services to play soccer for a year.
Jesus. He's buying everybody, the Saudis.
Jesus. LeBron said if they offered him, he'd take off. They have so much money.
But let me tell you something.
LeBron will become Saudi Arabian king. He'll be the king of basketball over there.
That's right.
What? That is so crazy. Yep, yep.
The December 18, 2022 World Cup final. You talk about the power, the emotional power of sports, right? My family and I were sitting and watching the World Cup final, and the extent to which we were emotionally vested in Messi winning the World Cup can only demonstrate the beauty of sports, right? Because here's a guy that we've never met him. We're not Argentinian, right?
He doesn't know that we're alive, and yet it's life and death for us that he should win. I mean, it was so harrowing. I don't know if you watched the game, but at one point, my son, who's 11 years old, said, I can't watch this anymore. I'm going to have a heart attack. That's the power of sports, that it can pull us in, and it can make us truly try.
And in my case, before you interject, it was kind of driven. My desire for him to win was driven by really a purity strand. It was that it seemed cosmically unjust for the greatest soccer player of all time to not have won the World Cup. So when he won it, to me, it seemed like the world is right. Beauty has won.
I get it. That's awesome.
And I should add, what a guy, right? Humble, sweet, family man.
What's fascinating to me is as happy as they are, the people on the other team that were rooting for them, they're devastated right now. That's the weird thing about sports. You can get so attached to what's happening that a loss is like really a loss. Can't believe we fucking lost to Kansas City.
Well, in my first book ever, 2007, Evolutionary Basic Consumption, I talk about studies, not my studies, I was citing other works, that looked at what happens to the testosterone levels of fans as a function of whether their team wins or loses.
How do you test that?
Well, it's been tested. You just take salivary assays of fans as their team is winning or losing.
Oh, you can get the testosterone levels from that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting.
It's not surprising, as you would know as a fighter, that if you and I fight and you defeat me, your testosterone level goes up, my testosterone level goes down.
Like a video game.
Like a video game. Except what's happening here is that there is a vicarious endocrinological response. The fans are having the same increases in their testosterone levels, or decreases as a function of their team, winning or not. That's quite extraordinary. And that shows you why we become so bonded to our favorite players and so on.
We are really going through this battle with them.
Yeah, it's really the case with fighters. When people have a fighter that they're really a giant fan of and that person gets beaten in a devastating manner, it's heartbreaking.
There's even studies, by the way, that have looked at what happens to sexual behavior of fans after their team wins or loses. So let's say, if your wife is upset that you haven't been producing in the bedroom, she should pray that the husband's favorite team wins, because if he wins, he has an increase in testosterone level, increases their libidinal drive. We're animals.
It's just attaching so much of your own emotions to something completely out of control and just rooting on it.
Do you have a fan in any sport where you've ever been that vested in?
Well, there was one time I remember when I was a kid. I was a giant fan of Donald Curry. Donald Curry was the welterweight boxing champion at the time. And he had a rivalry with this other guy, Milton McCrory. And Donald Curry knocked him out.
He became my favorite boxer. And then Donald Curry, he got beat by this guy, Lloyd Hunnigan. It was a devastating loss. People couldn't believe. Lloyd Hunnigan beat Donald Curry.
And it was like Donald Curry might be on the downslide, but I was still a giant fan of his. And then Donald Curry fought Mike McCallum. And Mike McCallum hit him with a left hook to the body and a left hook to the chin and put him out. Like out cold, and I couldn't believe it. And I ran.
Here. it is right here. I ran out of the house. Watch this. Boom.
Out cold.
The one with the black shorts is your guy, right?
The guy down is my guy.
So I misremembered it. It wasn't a left hook to the body. It was like he goes with a right hand and then a left hook behind it. But he, just, he, KO'd, KO'd Donald Curry. And I couldn't believe it.
And so I put on my running shoes. I couldn't stay home. I just couldn't deal with it. I couldn't deal with it. And I went running in the snow.
And I ran. Wait, no, when I was in the snow. I'm thinking of another story. It was another time when someone lost. I went running in the snow.
I don't think it was in the snow. I think it was warm. I don't remember, but I remember. I went running. And as I'm running, and I'm running down the road, I'm thinking to myself, I am never going to be this invested in someone else winning or losing ever again.
I was so devastated that he lost.
What was the bond? His technique.
His technique was perfect. He was crisp. Like he was coiled. They called him, what was his nickname? Something Cobra.
Here comes Jamie.
I forget what his nickname was. But his technique was so crisp. Lone Star Cobra. Lone Star Cobra.
There you go.
He was out of Fort Worth. And his technique was so sharp. I just really, I always admired guys who were able to find like the shortest path to connecting with a shot. Where it's just like the technique is so dialed in. Yeah.
There's guys that, like, Gervonta Davis, is like that. Their technique is so dialed in. That when you watch them uncork, it's like, oh, my God. The efficiency of it. And so I was just a giant fan of the guy.
I just loved. as a person who like, really enjoyed technique. I like watching someone who's exceptional at it.
I recently put, maybe a few months ago, I put out sort of a hypothetical what if? scenario. Where I, I think this was on Twitter, where I asked people who follow me, would I be able to step on an NFL field and, under any circumstance, simply get a single yard as a running back? Right? So in other words.
Right. So now, for example, if I go into a boxing ring with someone, the only way I'm going to survive is if I keep running around long enough. Because the singular time that they hit me, I'm unlikely to be able to withstand that. Right. So that's, I'm gone.
Right? If I play basketball, I think I have enough skills that I can receive the ball and pass it off to someone. Right? And so then I started thinking, what about other sports? Could the average person who doesn't play that sport survive long enough to do something?
I'm obviously not going to get 100 yards, but a single yard. What are your thoughts? I thought maybe I was being presumptuous. Maybe now I'm an old guy. But I thought that it could be possible for the front line to make enough of a hole for me to run through for one yard, and I would just drop.
I just need to get a single yard.
Yeah, that's possible.
But a lot of people thought there's no chance that that would happen, because they would catch you in the backfield, they would tackle you, and then you would die.
Well, they probably could do that, too. That could happen as well. But if the defense is so strong that they can just create a small enough opening for you to go one yard, I think that's reasonable. Yeah. It would suck for you, though, dude.
They're going to pile on top of you. You're never going to be the same again.
Especially since I've lost so much weight, at least before, I looked like a linebacker, a fat linebacker.
Yeah, you don't want that happening to you. What was that? What just happened there? Watch again. Watch this guy.
This is the running back trying to get the ball to get one yard. Watch this. Bam! His helmet's off and he's hurt. Oh, my goodness.
Oh, my God. He got tackled. And that's one of five guys that are going to try to stop you from doing that. Tackled. These guys are so powerful.
So Jamie is in the camp of. I'm not getting a single yard.
There's a lot of other variables. But it is possible that the defense could have prevented that. if the defense is extraordinary and the guys are on point. And there's, you know, games, things happen, right? People are trying to control things and people are charging forward.
It's possible that there's an opening just big enough for anyone to get three yards. Or one yard, rather, three feet.
Do you think you could step on a soccer field and look anything short of a complete moron?
No. No, impossible.
I actually saw you recently, and I was really delighted to hear that, where you were singing the praises of how fit soccer players are.
Oh, my God. We went to see the games here in Austin. And when you watch professionals, first of all, here's one reason why soccer is problematic for television. They don't get breaks. Yeah.
So there's no breaks. Like, you know, we'll be right back with another word from Nabisco. There's none of that. So if you have commercials, like, you have to interrupt the play of the game. And then people have to catch up.
And then it's not, is it not? live now? Or are you going to, like, have half of a commercial and half of the game? Like, what are you going to do? How are you going to do that?
Because they don't stop. They just keep going. And you have to be insanely fit. Those guys look like thoroughbreds. Like, their legs were just fucking shredded.
So there was a study a few years ago, I can't cite what it was, that looked at who were the fittest athletes. Number one was soccer.
It has to be.
Do you know what number two was?
No.
Squash players. Why? I'm guessing because there are a lot of those very, very quick accelerations that you have to engage in to be able to get. The ball is very dead, right? And so you really have to have this incredible quickness to be able to.
What a weird thing for an elite athlete to choose.
Jamie, can we check the rankings?
I could describe squash.
You know, I tried to play it. I got very claustrophobic. Really? I'm being serious.
Let me see what it looks like. Show me a squash game. It's like a racquetball, right?
No, but with a ball that's more dead. Racquetball, the ball has a lot more, give. It bounces more.
I was just trying to look. I found other sports that sound like they would be more, but I didn't find it in a scientific study.
My wife has been trying to get me into pickleball. What are our thoughts about that?
I hear people like it.
Have I just lost a few testosterone points?
No. Come on, man. People like pickleball.
Well, apparently there's a whole craze of pickleball now, because it's not quite as difficult as tennis. You don't have to cover as much ground. It's still a racquet game.
It looks like a lot of damage to the knees, son. That's what I'm looking at right there.
In terms of squash, we're talking?
You're running around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of fucking explosive movements for old guys like us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Best, stick to yoga.
Pickleball, you can play with a beer in your hand. Yeah, pickleball. Pickleball's the way to go, son.
By the way, and I'm not going to call it ping pong, table tennis.
Oh, my God. Insane. I watch a lot of it.
When I was a graduate student, there was a fellow student. We were roughly the same level, so we could have these long rallies. We'd play for two, three hours. We'd be drenched.
Oh, it's very, very, very athletic. It's also amazing to watch. Their reads, knowing where the ball's coming, and to be able to get to the side of the table, and they'll whack it over there, and then step sideways, and dudes are hitting them behind their backs.
It's wild.
It's wild. It's beautiful. Those exchanges are so fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're just this little ball, just tracking this little ball, whacking it with your thing.
Now that you said that you went to the soccer match here, that's because Austin has a team, right?
Oh, yeah. It's the only real professional team in town.
So are you willing, on your show, to commit to inviting Dr. Gad Saad to a game when Inter-Miami comes over? Because Gad should see Lionel Messi in person?
I would be happy to do that if I am going to be here while that is happening. So I have a lot of commitments. I don't necessarily know when that is.
But would you want to go?
Yes, yes, yes, yes. If I was free, I would 100% want to go with you. Oh! I really enjoyed it. Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
That's amazing. You just made my day. You made me happy.
Matthew McConaughey, who's the coolest, such a good guy. He's one of the owners too, so he's there.
Of Austin? Yeah. Oh, is that right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not missaying that, right? I don't think so. But yeah, they just actually played here right before Messi joined the team. I don't want to misstate his position.
He's something. I think he's one of the owners. I unfortunately don't pay attention to that, but I do pay attention to him. He's a super cool guy. Yeah.
And he was with us explaining it to us. He loves it. He fucking loves it.
You know who else is surprisingly into soccer? Do you know the Canadian actor Ryan Reynolds?
Oh, no shit.
Have you heard? He is the part owner of Rexham.
He's co-owner. Okay. I knew he was. I just wanted to be sure.
Let's do Ryan.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rexham. W-R-E-X.
Yeah, Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, they purchased a team, right? Yeah. What a wild baller move. I'm going to purchase a sports team.
They got good. They got good after they purchased them? Yeah, yeah. It's got the magic touch.
Speaking of Blake Lively, I actually have her in the current book that came out today as a manifestation of a truly beautiful woman. Do we agree on that?
Oh, she's gorgeous.
She's phenomenal.
Yeah, truly beautiful.
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