#2049- Coleman Hughes

What's up? Good to see you, man, what's cracking?

I looked into this and the part people don't know about this story is really the full unfolding of it. It goes back to the 1930s. New York State made a constitutional amendment to the state constitution, which required the state to provide housing for the homeless, essentially. And it was sort of vaguely worded. So in the 80s and 90s, the courts in New York began interpreting that more and more strictly.

Almost no other state, I'm not sure if any other state actually has something in its state constitution requiring that kind of a thing. So basically, what happened is the judges ended up interpreting this more strictly. Obviously, the original purpose of this is for New Yorkers that are homeless to be housed. But they ended up interpreting it so strictly that when the Republican governors in Texas and Florida began sending a few thousand migrants up to New York City as kind of an FU to the liberal cities that have declared themselves sanctuary cities without actually having to deal with the kind of border crisis that Texas does, the first few thousand found that legally. New York had to house them.

And then word got down to Mexico that if you make it to New York City, you will not be turned away. Legally, you don't even have to be a citizen for the state amendment to apply to you. So what began as a few, let's say the first 10 or 15,000 were sent by the Republican governors as a kind of political tactic, has now become tens and tens, and tens and tens of thousands coming of their own volition to New York City. And it's the only state in the country where Mayor Adams has no legal recourse to send people elsewhere. He actually cannot do it.

He's tried to do executive orders, but he legally can't because it's in the state constitution. It's above his power. And now it's taken on a life of its own way, over and above what the Republican governors started. So this is why he's going to the national media and literally saying, I can't do anything about this. I'm trying to do something about this, but I can't.

And we're putting people up in Airbnbs for $100 a night, and the city will be bankrupt in X number of years if we don't find a solution to this.

And if they go there, these places that are, essentially, they're charitably minded and they would like to house people that are down on their luck, but now people are sort of taking advantage of that loophole and just swarming.

And again, I don't even blame people for doing this, because it's exactly what I would do if I were born in Guatemala or Syria. I would say, hey, I'm a refugee. This is my story. And I would probably lie about it in order to get a better life than the one life that I had. But this is just a true side effect of those compassionate laws is that people abuse them.

You get immigration pools that are vastly proportionally male, which is how you know that they're not refugees, because where are the women? Right.

And it's a side effect of the intended compassionate immigration policy. This is how this works. Thomas Sowell's great quote, there are no solutions, there are only trade-offs. The policy has a trade-off. It's more compassionate, but it also leads to, in the case of New York, what could be a serious fiscal crisis.

But it's just wild that there's no requirements. It's like there's no background checks. There's no checks to see if you're on a terrorist watch list. You're just letting people through. Biden administration will begin deporting Venezuelan migrants directly to Venezuela.

I mean, that is just so transparent.

Officials said that some migrants have already been identified for deportation. Starting today, the United States will begin direct repatriations of Venezuelan nationals back to their home country. In fact, we have already identified individuals in our custody today who will be removed promptly in the coming days, a senior official said. Venezuelans make up a large share of border crossings, and for years the U.S. has generally been unable to deport them because of frosty diplomatic relations with Venezuela.

Mexico has agreed to take some, but it remains a difficult issue for the administration and for cities receiving migrants. That is so transparent. Interesting. The fact that they're saying Venezuelans and that they're communicating with the Venezuelan government to deport these people, that's so gross. So gross.

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They're essentially doing the same thing that Trump did. They all do it. Obama talked about it in like 2013.. They've all talked about it.

And then when in New York City, during COVID, they implemented the policy that to get into any restaurant, any gym, anywhere in the city, you needed VaxCard plus ID.

So me paying attention to the discourse for the past few years, I thought to myself, where is everyone on the left that said Black people don't have IDs? Shouldn't they be calling this policy racist and saying that we are excluding all of the restaurants and gyms and so forth to Black people because you need VaxCard plus ID and Black people can't get IDs? I'm doing the math here. I didn't hear a single peep from anyone of the usual suspects. And I said, this is how you know.

it's a fake belief. They never really believed that Black people can't get IDs.

Well, no, the truth is that, you know, every disease has a different racial profile in terms of who it affects. Hispanics, for whatever reason, no one understands it. Hispanics have the lowest maternal mortality rates, lower than white people. Nobody gets it. It could be any number of things.

There are many cancers that preferentially – some kill Black people more often, some kill white people more often. If you look at the CDC charts, you'll just find every disease has its own profile. and rather than say, okay, this disease is racist because it has a disproportion, we should all back off the R word a little bit and realize that these things are very complicated, multifactorial, and to reduce it all to racism is just very –. we've gotten into this thing where we have a hammer and everything looks like a nail and the media knows that racism stories get clicks, so everything becomes about that.

The good part is it's given rise in a major way to independent journalism. So many people have lost faith in what they deem to be corrupt, very biased, and obviously corporate-influenced mainstream media, because they'll hide certain narratives. If it's Fox News, they will never criticize the right. Everything is about the left. If it's CNN, everything is about the right being fools and the left being the ones that are on the right side of history.

It's just shitty journalism.

It's very funny.

so many factors were never discussed, and one of the big ones that seems to affect the African-American community more than other people is vitamin D deficiencies. The reason why there's so much melanin in African-American skin is because people in Africa deal with very hot climates and direct contact with sunlight, and so they have protection from that. The reason why people became white is because they moved to areas that are covered with clouds, like England. It's not a fucking coincidence that people there are pale as paper. It's because they're basically a solar panel for vitamin D.

Their body's trying to produce more vitamin D, and the way to do that is to produce less melanin. My friend who was a doctor in New York City said that when he was a doctor and he would find sick people that would come to the hospital and he would test them for levels of vitamin D, he would find oftentimes undetectable levels of vitamin T in some African-Americans who weren't supplementing and weren't getting sun exposure. And he's like, it is catastrophic for your health. It's catastrophic for your immune system. And none of this was ever discussed, of course, because there was a binary solution.

Like, it was this experimental mRNA vaccine or nothing, and any other solution was conspiracy theory, foolishness, anything else to improve your health, even on top of that vaccine, even saying, yes, you should get vaccinated, but also you should lose weight. Also, you should take vitamins and you should exercise, and you should eat better and don't drink, don't smoke. Do these things that are going to improve your overall metabolic health. There was zero of that, because it wasn't journalism. It was all promoted by people who are advertising on these mainstream media platforms, and that was what it is, and that's what we're dealing with.

And again, it's good and it is bad. The good thing is it's led people, I think, to have the lowest level of trust ever in mainstream media in our lifetimes. I mean, there was a recent CNN ratings poll. They got like 43,000 people watching CNN, which is insane. I mean, that is like an average comedian with 100,000 followers.

real. That's nuts. It's nuts that this massive, major, worldwide international news organization is getting 43,000 people watching their show, but it's because people have completely lost faith in whether or not these people are telling the truth.

and what I came out feeling was that it wasn't that I agreed with RFK about every claim that he made. In fact, there are certain claims that he made that I double-checked that were flat-out wrong. It's that I felt the version of RFK portrayed in the mainstream media was a totally different person from the real RFK, and that there was a framing put around him that was so obviously uncharitable and bad faith. So, for example, if I told you, if I'm one of those people that was obsessed with getting fluoride out of the water, and that was my cause in life, as a journalist, what would you label me?

Well... Coleman Hughes, the...

Right. If I was someone that wanted to take, like, my mother's whole thing,

was she wanted to take high-fructose corn syrup out of food. She was very, this was a big issue for her. Would you call her an anti-high-fructose corn syrup addict, as a journalist, or an anti-food activist? Well, no.

So, RFK Jr., you know, and I don't think he's right about this, but, just as a matter of journalistic accuracy, his whole project with vaccines has been to take stuff out of the vaccines that he thinks is toxic, right? His most anti-vax, quote-unquote book is Thimerosal, Let the Science Speak. He's trying to take the thimerosal out of vaccines. Now, if I were describing this guy, even if I disagreed with every word he said as a journalist, I would call him an anti-thimerosal activist, not an anti-vaccine activist. Right.

Because why would you advocate taking A out of B if you thought B was also poison? What's the point of taking poison out of poison? Right. So, the framing of him in the mainstream media as an anti-vaccine activist, to me, seemed already like not at all the framing an objective journalist would put on the issue, even if he's wrong about the facts. And that clear bias in the treatment of him, rather than treating him like a normal politician and, you know, putting your perspective on it, putting this framing on him as a crazy guy, as a crackpot, that seemed to me, I think that is really what rubbed me the wrong way about how so many people were treating him.

And then these women came to him and they said, you are researching all these toxins and pollutants that get released in the water. I want you to do this with vaccines. And they started talking to him. And this woman came to his door and she said, I'm not leaving until you look at this. And she gave him a stack of files and documents and he started looking at it.

He started looking at the difference between ethyl mercury and mercury, or methyl mercury and ethyl mercury. What's the difference? And which ones are toxic? And why are they in the vaccines in the first place? And like, why are the manufacturers that make vaccines not liable at all for adverse effects?

And so he starts doing a deep dive in this and he finds out that it's all foreboding, right? This is all forbidden subject. If you talk about it, you'll be labeled a vaccine denier or an anti-vaccine person, which is like the worst anti-science pejorative that someone can label on someone who wants to be taken seriously. And he realizes that he has to go down this road. And I can't believe, he's like, I can't believe I have to go down this road, but I have to go down this road.

And he starts researching. And he starts talking about it openly and frankly, courageously. And there is some very bizarre, you know, correlation, not necessary, causality, right? Because it's not really being openly studied in terms of like, it's not like, it's not being discussed in mainstream media. It's not something that's being discussed openly in universities and taught in schools and medical school, but there seems to be a very, a rise in adverse effects and all sorts of issues that people are having once they started adding more vaccines to the rollout, which also happened right after they made these vaccines and the companies that manufacture them no longer liable for any adverse effects.

And it's sketchy stuff, because you can't talk about it. And whenever there's something that you can't talk about, it gets real weird because you can't just look at it and say, okay, what is actually going on? objectively? Let's not signal to everyone that I'm on the side of science and I'm the side of reason and I'm on the side of, you know,

what's best for the whole world. Let's just look at what is actually happening, and no one wants to do that, because if you even just start dipping your toes in those waters, people are like, wait, what are you saying? Are you a vaccine skeptic? Are you a vaccine denier? Are you anti-vax?

Which is not something that he's like, I've been vaccinated. My whole family's been vaccinated. This is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is there are proven effects that mercury and aluminum have on human beings, particularly in their developmental stage, that seem to be detrimental. So why aren't we looking at this?

The experts have been so dismissive of any skepticism, right? Yes. Generally, skepticism is a good thing. You're taught to be a skeptic, right? But the word is pejorative in this case.

And rather than really.

compassionately going into the evidence and saying, I'm going to go all the way down the rabbit hole with you and as an expert, I'm not going to talk down to you, but I'm going to explain to you what I may know that you don't, and I'm going to go into it with an open mind, knowing that some vaccines have turned out to be unnecessary in the past. Some vaccines have caused damage in the past. Rather than make the whole area taboo and just making everyone feel like a non-person who's there, the best experts should shine a light on it. Really, they should shine a light on it. And then someone, people wouldn't be necessarily running to a lawyer, an environmental lawyer, for their narratives about this issue.

And I think that that's what happens when the expert class abandons a particular line of inquiry.

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Around 2000,, the rota shield, the rotavirus vaccine, 7 of the 13 people responsible for approving that vaccine at the CDC and the FDA, 7 of 13,. so a majority, had direct financial ties to companies that were producing that exact kind of vaccine right at the time. Yeah. So you have to think to yourself, common sense, that's insane. That can't be how the system should work.

But as a journalist, our job is not to trust the government. Our job is to verify. And the status quo, I looked into it recently, is that the CDC and the FDA, they're still allowed to appoint members of those panels who have conflicts of interest, so long as they're below a certain bar of conflict of interest. Now, who determines where the bar is? They determine where the bar is.

And they're not required by law at all to report their deliberations publicly. So, as an objective outsider, I would like to believe, I would like to believe that CDC and the FDA, I don't think they're evil people, I don't think they're lizard people, I think they're whatever. I would like to believe that they're making good decisions. But as a journalist, you have to be able to verify it, or else why should I trust? So if they're self-policing and not required to report, I think people should be, this is my problem.

When Rand Paul is aggressively pressing Fauci about conflicts of interest in Congress, journalists should be like, this guy's doing our job. We're supposed to be doing this. Instead, they label him as some kind of bad person. Journalists are supposed to aggressively police the government. And when you don't do that, you end up getting people doing the job for you and they may not do it perfectly and they may overstep.

But shouldn't the response be, how come mainstream journalism isn't pressing Fauci like that? We should have done it, and we should have done it 10 times harder and more precisely than Rand Paul did it. That should be the response, not Rand Paul's a conspiracy theorist.

It's not a documentary. It's like a docudrama series.

What was the exact wording? Some believe it is not addictive. Like who the fuck uses that for something that's going to be prescribed to millions of people? That's insanity. And it turns out, oh my God, it's very addictive.

Oh my God, it caused a massive opiate crisis that didn't exist anywhere else in the world. The United States had this opioid crisis that it was unparalleled. There was nothing like it anywhere else in the world. And it was directly because of the influence that these massive companies had, the amount of money they were spreading around, the revolving door between the FDA and these pharmaceutical drug companies, and the repercussions on millions of Americans. Who knows how many people died of overdoses?

Who knows how many families were wrecked? How many lives were lost, just destroyed by addiction from something that was prescribed to them as being safe and effective by doctors?

Yeah.

When Bill Clinton bombed the Al-Shifa factory in Sudan that was said to have weapons, turned out to have medicine, turned out to have no link to Al-Qaeda,

Hitchens wrote that he did this to distract the public from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Now, that's possible. I can't rule it out. I'm not saying it's something he wouldn't do, but without direct evidence for it, my bar is that I don't jump to the worst motives. That's not how I tend to think.

Because what, like, my take on it from a clearly, obviously a non-scientist, is if I was a researcher and my education was in viruses, and specifically coronaviruses, I would be looking to do research on coronaviruses, and gain-of-function research is one way, whether it's dangerous or not, and the Obama administration, Obama outlawed it, he stopped it in 2014,. right? It's sketchy work, because what you're doing is you're making viruses worse. But are you doing it specifically to release them on people, or are you doing it to understand the viruses?

So they don't have a bad bone in their body, but if it can be done, they will do it, because it's cool, and they will justify it to get funding. They have to justify it in terms of a public health rationale. The truth is, they're nerds, and they want to do it because it's cool, and I don't blame them. But the government's responsibility is to say, that is over the line, and that is likely to leak, given how common lab leaks are. We cannot be intentionally making viruses more deadly.

It's just people.

Like, what is rabies? Rabies is a disease that affects animals, that makes them fearless and aggressive and makes them want to transmit that disease to you by biting you. And if you give it to human beings, it's like 100% fatal or 99% fatal, unless you take care of it within a certain time period. And with animals, it's fatal. And, you know, they have to get rabies shots.

It's one excellent example of how vaccines have really helped people. Vaccines have helped human beings avoid getting fucking rabies. You know, rabies is scary. Rabies is essentially a real zombie virus. Because it turns...

Have you ever seen an animal that has rabies? They just have no fear of you. They just want to come after you and bite you like a fucking zombie. So it's... Like, if I was a guy who was researching rabies, I would go, how do we make this even crazier?

How do we turn this into someone who, like, no longer needs oxygen and can just fucking exist in a zombie state? You don't need blood pumping to your muscles anymore. Now this parasite has taken over your body, which exists in the cordyceps mushrooms. Have you ever seen that?

So before the cordyceps mushrooms blow and the spores spray through the air and infect all the other ants, these ants recognize, oh, this motherfucker's got it. We gotta get him out of here. And they'll carry him way the fuck out of town. Like, there's some sort of memory or some knowledge or understanding of the danger of this specific fungus that's growing on this dead ant.

The reason why they tell women to stop, you can't touch cat litter. Because some insane amount of feral. cats have toxoplasmosis. Like, probably all of them.

Or some hormonal switch.

And it happens quickly. I believe it happens. the metamorphosis starts to take place within like six weeks or something. See if you can find that. But what happens is a body sends a signal, or the mind sends a signal to the body, or the system knows that you're on your own now, motherfucker.

So your whole body changes. Your snout extends. The males grow tusks. They get furry, thicker hair. They literally become a wild boar.

I used to think a wild boar was a different thing. No, it's the same thing. Wow. It's one genus. It's Sucropha.

It's one specific animal. If you domesticate it, it's cute and it's babe. It's a pig. If you don't, it's this fucking plague of mammals that can have three litters a year. It starts having a litter when it's six months old.

Within a couple of years, they're 200 pounds and they eat constantly. And all they do is eat and fuck and make more pigs. And they're smart.

What it is is a bunch of people that are, like, you're saying, scientists who figure things out because it's cool. And they get married to people who just want to make money. And so they're stock market psychos. And there's a lot of psychos out there. And the psychos say, okay, we got this thing and we're making X, but I think we can get to Z.

We just got to get this guy to say this and this regulation to pass, and then we're in Z. And this guy is thinking of himself doing coke off a stripper's ass on a yacht. That's what he's thinking of. He's not thinking of saving the world. But the scientists that are making all this stuff, they're just fucking scientists.

And part of the problem with getting the money attached to the regulatory body and attached to the scientists is because then there's someone who doles out the funding. And maybe that guy is connected to the money side. And maybe that guy was actually a doctor. And now you've got this crazy situation when these doctors can't even tell the truth. Scientists can't tell the truth.

They can't talk openly about the reservations that they have about some of these specific types of research that they're doing. Like, hey, should we be doing this? They can't say anything. They can't. Because they're connected.

And if they get ostracized from that system, they're fucked. Their career is fucked. There's no recourse. They don't have anything to fall back on. So we've got a system, much like our governmental system, much like our media, that's captured by money.

And it's not that the journalists are bad people. It's just. that's the fucking game they're playing. That's the game they're playing.

Right. But that should be. the job of mainstream journalists is to pressure, test everything. When you don't do it, my point is, it's left to the RFK juniors of the world, who end up getting certain things very wrong because they're one person. Right.

It's not what they do. And so, for example, like I told you, I was really going through all the claims in RFK Junior's book, because some of them are just insane, turn out to be true. Some of them are insane, turn out not to be true.

that said one in 300..

then it's...

You can't debate a conspiracy theorist. I don't think any of that is true.

He was telling me that people that live in tropical climates, like, the vast majority of them, have some kind of parasites. You know, which is just, you know, and what he wanted to talk about was that. I think when COVID came along, there was this psychological angst that was overwhelming, even to people that are fairly good at keeping their shit together. Like, I think of myself as someone who's pretty good at keeping my shit together. I don't freak out too much about things.

And so, with COVID, I was like, all right, well, I guess this is a real thing, and we're going to have to, you know, hole up in the house for a while and two weeks to flatten the curve and make sure we have food and power. You start thinking about things like, okay, if I needed to get food for my family, if I needed to get out of here, how much gas do I need? Like, there's a real air. There's a feeling in the air where, like, okay, we're in an unprecedented state of the unknown and chaos, and this could get worse. Like, this virus could mutate into something that's just killing everybody.

That level of anxiety prompts people to look for solutions that are very binary, and it prompts people to dig their heels into what their decision is to do this. Like, should we go into the basement in the horror movie, or should we get the fuck out of here? I think we should get the fuck out of here. Let's go in the... We've got to go in the basement.

We've got to go in the basement. There's these decisions that people make in these traumatic situations. Like, do we hide? Do we run? What do we do?

And when they have a decision that they've made, like, the decision, there's only one decision. This decision is this. We have to take this one vaccine. That's the only thing that we can do. And everybody starts thinking, okay, well, wait, fine.

We have a solution. And everybody that's opposed to that, you're fucking it up! You're fucking it up for everybody! And I think that was the feeling in the air, and I certainly felt that when I... When CNN, was saying I was taking horse dewormer, like, when I was being attacked for taking out...

When I said that I was taking monoclonal antibodies and IV vitamins, all these other things, too, I was just saying, this is what I took, and now I'm better. Thank you. I gotta cancel my shows. That's all it was. It wasn't some political declaration or some anti-vaccine.

It was just. there was a reality of what I took. I told everybody what I took. But there's this feeling from everybody, you're fucking this up! You're gonna make sure people don't do it!

Because people wanted to believe that there was a way out of this. that was very binary, very simple. This is our solution. Everybody get on board. Everybody who's not on board is ruining it for the world.

And you saw the fucking cruel way people would talk... People who would think of themselves as compassionate, progressive people, right? Progressives, left-wing people, would... The worst thing about unvaccinated people dying because they didn't trust pharmaceutical drug companies that are captured by money and the media that is captured by them, their money, and the regulatory... The fact that people were just unwilling to look at the big picture because they wanted that fucking solution.

And I think when you're a person who's on the side of that solution and you're genuinely doing work to try to solve real problems that people have with parasites and diseases and all these different things, and then you're getting attacked. And then it turns out that, man, maybe a lot of the shit you said wasn't right. Now you're kind of stuck because you don't want to debate this. Because, even though you probably did it for all the right reasons, if you look at the actual effectiveness and whether or not it actually did what it was promised to do, it didn't do any of those things. And it did certainly cause some adverse problems in people that may or may not have had any problem with COVID.

They might have gotten over it quickly, like I did. So. now you're fucked. Now you're fucked. And now you're in this situation where you kind of have to defend it all the time.

And to go on a debate and talk about that, you would be so filled with anxiety because it brings us back to the decisions that people make during times of extreme crisis. We always want to think that the evil things that people have done in the past, false flag events, and all these different things that people have done in the past in order to start wars so that they can make more money, we want to think that that stops. Like, oh, we don't do that anymore. We don't do that anymore. It's a childlike impulse that I personally experienced when I was a young boy.

When I was a young boy, we were living in San Francisco, and my mom and my stepdad were hippies. And we lived in this, like, very progressive, very, like, hippie area. And when the Vietnam War ended, everybody was so happy. And there was this feeling. And I said to myself, I remember saying, oh, this is so good.

There's not going to be any wars. They figured out, the wars are bad. I remember thinking this when I guess I was like 10 or 11 or something like that, going, okay, there's no more war. Thank God. Because I don't want to go to war.

All that Gulf of Tonkin, shit and all that, they don't do that anymore. They don't do that anymore. They don't do that anymore. That's like people figured that out.

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the belief is that, and I think we'll know more about this in a few years, that a few things happened all at the same time. It was a perfect storm. First, Hamas has been planning this attack for two years. And one of the leaders of Hamas actually said that they've been strategically lulling Israel to sleep by making it seem like they're no longer interested in a conflict. the past two years.

And Israel, even just a week before the attack, allowed more Gazans to come over the border and work in Israel as basically a reward for good behavior, right? They thought Hamas has gone into this mode, where they're more concerned about the economics of the Gaza Strip than about attacking Israel. So Israel was asleep at the wheel. Israel also had transferred a lot of IDF that would normally be at the Gaza border to the West Bank. It was also the Sabbath.

It was also a major holiday.

It's also, they've had the biggest protests in a generation, almost the same way America was during 2020.. Israel has been for the past several months over their judicial reform. So you put it all together.

So basically, in Israel, the president and their Congress have a lot more power than in America. Historically, the Supreme Court doesn't have the power to say no to that. But over the past 30 years, the Supreme Court has been basically grabbing more power for itself under these things called basic laws, where they can now say to the Knesset, no, you cannot implement that policy in the West Bank. It violates human rights. They have more powers to check the majority party.

And that's come to a head now, because the Supreme Court is perceived as left-wing and sympathetic to the Palestinians. Just like in America. right now, the Supreme Court is perceived as right-wing.

And Benjamin Netanyahu is obviously Likud. He's the right-wing party and he's gone into coalition with these ultra kind of right-wing religious.

And so it's come to a head where, basically, the right in Israel feels the Supreme Court is just expanding its own power and is anti-democratic. And now they want to, judicial reform is basically stripping the Supreme Court of the power it's grabbed for itself over the past 30 years. Now, the left in Israel views the Supreme Court as the only protection against human rights violations and the violations of minority rights. So the left feels the Supreme Court is a great defender of Israeli human rights. And the right feels that the Supreme Court is an undemocratic institution that's been expanding its own power for 30 years and now needs to be reined in so that the majority can govern.

That's torn apart the country. It's absolutely the number one issue. every day, protests all over Israel. So you put all this together with Hamas, backed by Iran, and you also throw in the fact that Israel and Saudi Arabia are on the verge of a peace deal, which is huge. It would be the biggest news in the Middle East in a very long time if Israel and Saudi Arabia made peace.

It would basically put kind of the death nail in the coffin for Hamas, because Saudi Arabia is the biggest holdout now in terms of who has not made peace with Israel. So Hamas, from the point of view of Hamas and Iran, they think this is a last chance, kind of. We have to attack now, kill this deal, or we're dead forever. And they plan this thing meticulously for two years, intentionally lulling the Israelis to sleep.

And they have brilliant success, much more success than they expected to. Now, some people have said it's an inside job. I don't believe it is. I think if it is, we'll know that from reporting that comes out in the next two years. But at this point, I believe the theory that it was an incredibly successful attack by Hamas and a perfect storm.

Didn't we learn anything from World War II? Didn't we learn anything from the Holocaust? Didn't we learn anything from human beings' ability to other human beings to just turn them into a thing that's not them, dehumanize them? And that there's this impulse to do so that existed forever? because when we were tribal people that probably barely had a language, you had to be absolutely terrified of marauding male tribes that came over your border and wanted to kill you and take your resources and steal your women, because that's what they did.

And so we have this ability to look at other human beings as an other and get ruthless and horrifyingly violent, because that was the only way for us to survive for thousands of years. So it's ingrained in our system. But now it exists in the context of global war. and it exists in a time where you can manipulate media and spread false narratives, and governments are allowed to use propaganda. They're allowed to lie to people if it's for the overall better good of the nation.

It's wild. And that's the root of the issue. The root of the issue is how every human being sort of reluctantly admits that there's almost no way to stop all wars. Right now, if you had a magic solution to stop all wars in the world, what would it be? It doesn't exist.

That's terrifying, because the thing that we are scared of the most is global thermonuclear war. The thing that everybody should be the most terrified of. That we get so stupid that we wipe every human being off the face of the planet and we're more than capable of doing it some insane number of times over. And that they're playing with the very first steps of that game. They've moved the first pawn out onto the chessboard of the global thermonuclear war, chess game.

That is fucking the world. Everybody. Every single nation that's involved in every conflict. All these people controlling resources over a group of gigantic people with their representative, and they're saying these people are the bad people and they're saying you're the bad people. It's just like human beings have always done.

It's literally a part of our system.

Those of us that have been lucky enough to live in safety and security, we may not realize the violence we're capable of, because we've never had to survive. Right.

But I do believe that there is a difference. You mentioned the lessons of World War II, right? We were capable of violence. Hitler was capable of violence. But we were not the same as Hitler.

And that what they did on October 7th with the barbaric slaughter, that's the point for them. That is what they want to do to all of Israel. And the difference is that Israel, though, like the American army, there's been many excesses, much to criticize. If Israel wanted to annihilate Hamas and the Palestinians the same way, Hamas wants to annihilate Israel, Hamas would be gone and there would be no Palestinians in Gaza. We know that Israel could obliterate them overnight.

Why don't they? Well, for mixed reasons, but because they don't want to. They want to live in peace fundamentally. And so I don't think the two sides are equivalent. here, though they're both capable of that universal among humans, which is cruelty.

I don't think these two sides are the same. I really think this is a situation where there is a good guy and a bad guy.

And obviously this is monstrous, if so. Why would Israel bomb a hospital? Israel is known to have at least a policy of not bombing hospitals because Israel feels that it wants to generally respect what a war crime is, right? That's the policy, at least. So this went viral.

Then it turned out. actually most likely... It actually turned out 100%. the hospital wasn't bombed. It was the parking lot next to the hospital.

So that was the first inaccuracy in the story. Then it turned out it's very, very unlikely to be an Israeli airstrike and was almost certainly not a Hamas rocket, but a Palestinian Islamic Jihad. This is the other Palestinian terror group in Gaza. They launched a bunch of rockets. One of them was a dud and landed in the hospital parking lot.

And this is on video. Al Jazeera showed the video by accident, and that's part of how it's been confirmed.

It kind of blew up, and then you see a big explosion in Gaza right at that time. Turns out that's the exact time the hospital allegedly blew up. So that's how they knew. it was a rocket from inside, an accidental rocket from inside Gaza, rather than the Israelis airstriking it. So then all the New York Times, BBC, they all started slowly changing their headlines from 500 killed in Israeli airstrike to 500 killed in blast.

to, you know, at this point they may be saying parking lot next to hospital killed only 50 to 100 people. This is still an evolving story, and we're talking on Thursday.

as fact, and then has had to backpedal.

Rachel Levy, they can't touch it. Leave it alone. Get out of there. It's too hot.

I'm thinking we have to destroy Hamas. The same way, when we were bombed during Pearl Harbor, nobody thought, well, what's the diplomatic solution to Japan? We thought, these people want to destroy us. We have to destroy them. There are some situations that can be resolved at the negotiating table.

But there are others that have to be resolved through war, because one side is committed to the destruction of the other. And you can only get to the negotiating table when you've retaliated militarily.

There's been a lot of them. Yeah.

That Israelis are not the indigenous people. It's settler colonialism. And that resistance is justified and that we ought to side with the resistance. We ought to side with the resistance even when they go overboard. That's their basic perspective in a nutshell.

shelter. Captured him and they have no idea where he is and they hope he's okay.

Leave it where it is. It's so scary that people are still willing to do things like that. But it is real. That's what we have to all understand. You can have these utopian perspectives of how you think the world should be, and I side with a lot of what they think about the inequality of the world.

I just have different solutions than them. My solution is not redistribution of wealth. My solution is figure out what's wrong with communities and rebuild them. The fact that we have these impoverished communities and that we've never spent any real engineering and money to try to solve these crises that have led to so many people coming out of these places and just being fucked from the jump and having no examples of people living good lives, no examples of people that are involved in crime, and just being swarmed by negativity and bad influences constantly. And the fact that we expect these people to rise past, that is complete and total insanity.

But for a large percentage of what we supposedly think of as a community, which is the United States, we should think of ourselves as a big community. We've ignored people that are fucked. It's like there's places that are just fucked, and we have to do something to fix that. If you don't do something to fix that, you're going to keep this disparity. You're going to keep this problem.

And the problem is far more... It's more solvable than so many other things that we try to tackle. We're trying to figure out how to cool the earth down.

That's great too, but let's fucking figure out how to make the country a better place.

instead of just saying that rich people are the problem. There's a lot of problems with rich people. There's a lot of problems with influencers. There's a lot of problems with people that have the ability to change laws and people that have the ability to sell you things that they know will kill you. They know are going to kill a certain number of you, and they can still sell them to you.

They can just say, hey, some may believe it's not addictive. Yay! And then they cut it loose.

Use the water pipes as rockets? Yeah. They make pipes into rockets.

Billions of dollars has been thrown by Europe, by America, at helping the Gazans, because they are living in conditions that are indescribably horrible. A third world doesn't even justify how Gazans are living, but they're living under a terrorist party that actually doesn't care whether they live or die, because any Palestinian that dies from an Israeli airstrike, they go straight to heaven, according to Hamas. So Hamas, and they genuinely believe this. This is why I think people in the West, they don't remember what it's like to truly believe in religion, because the West has been pretty much secularized at this point, outside of some pockets. People that still believe in religion really believe it.

Yeah. Like during the Iran-Iraq War, the Iranians, they would send 13-year-old, 12-year-old boys over to be cannon fodder. They would throw them at Saddam Hussein, and they would give them a key around their necks to get them into heaven.

And the boys believed it.

You have to realize that people really believe these kinds of things, and you can't... So many people analyze a situation without putting themselves really in the shoes of a true believer.

I mean, there was the big atheist movement that existed for quite a while. It seems they've kind of dissipated into something else.

risk your face getting shot off because of information that may or may not be bullshit? You? Who's going to go? Oh, you want people other than you to go and represent what you think of as the good thing? Because you don't know these people, and if they die, it doesn't feel like anything to you.

But those people have families, and those people have children, and there's got to be a way that we minimize the amount of violence in the world, specifically the amount of violence. that doesn't make any sense. And this kind of violence doesn't make any sense. It's fucking terrifying. And if you have true believers that don't think it's terrifying and think it makes total sense, and you don't realize that people like that exist in the world, that that is a real thing.

That's always been real. That was the Nazis. That is a real thing.

Yeah. You can't address that like we would want to address, I don't know, if we had some dispute with Britain nowadays.

You know, we've all seen Wild Wild Country. We've all seen documentaries on cults. Human beings are extremely malleable. I mean, it's not like all the people that moved to the cities just decided to move there because they're Democrats. Like, I'm a Democrat.

I'm going to move to where the other Democrats are and find my people. That's not what's going on. There's a hive mind aspect to human beings that just can't be ignored, because we don't want to be ostracized socially. We don't want to be kicked out of the tribe. So we're terrified of stepping out of line.

And so when you are in a terrible situation, you're much more likely to believe that someone put you there. You're much more likely to believe that there's an oppressor. You're much more likely to believe that that person's taking from you. If that's what you're told from the time you were young and you're told that the solution is to become a martyr and you're going to get to go to heaven, you can talk people into that with no options. It is real.

It's a real thing. And I don't know how to re-engineer that. I don't know how to solve that once people have already been down that path.

I think that's the hard truth, that the land was partitioned between an Israel and a Palestinian state in 1947.. The Palestinians rejected the partition and attacked, and that was the War of Independence. That was an opportunity for a solution. There was an opportunity, when it was occupied by Jordan and Egypt, for them to create a Palestinian state, but it wasn't in their interest, so they didn't do it. There was an opportunity in 2000, was the closest opportunity, when Yasser Arafat and Ehud Barak met at Camp David with Clinton.

and Arafat walked away. And the difference between now and then is that Israeli society is now moving more and more to the right. And what that means in Israel is less and less. are they seeking a two-state solution, compared to 2000 or 2008,, when two-state solutions were offered.

And part of the reason Israeli society is moving to the right is because the ultra-Orthodox, or what we call Hasidic, often in America, in New York, they have communities. in Brooklyn, they have six kids per family, something like that. And so they started out as a tiny minority in Israel 75 years ago, and now a third, a third, of kids under a certain age, might be 18, are ultra-Orthodox. And they have more right-wing views, they're generally more pro-settling the West Bank, anti-two-state solution. So I fear that the Palestinian side rejected the only options, the only times that they were offered a state, and that those offers are not going to be forthcoming again in the future, because of how Israeli society is changing.

And so it's a very grim situation, because it seems like there's no solution, no solution that does not involve horrible bloodshed.

It's natural. It's not like everyone on side A is pure. No, they're all humans. And when you're dealing with a group of people that want you dead, and you want them dead, they do horrible things. Like Abby Martin, who was on my podcast, talked about her experience going back and forth from Israel to Palestine, how scary it was talking to people that had been shot by soldiers, and people who were shot in the dick on purpose, and do crazy shit.

That's real, too. That's real, too.

I mean, there was a guy once... God, I forget the story. I think he was running for some office, and they labeled him as like a war hero. And he was kind of running with it. And then I believe he dropped out and then just started admitting the horrific things that he had to do during Vietnam.

And I think it involved... I don't even want to say. Do you know that story, Jamie?

I forget exactly what he said, so I want to keep going.

I don't think there's ever been an army that just truly behaved like a saint down to the last man. It's not... It's not real. It's not. I think that is, to your point, a fantasy standard that outsiders, who've never had to get their hands dirty to survive...

But obviously, it's a standard we should ideally want to hold people to. We should encourage the world's armies to behave better.

If a country is going to wage a just war, if you're going to say you have the right to wage war in this situation, I don't think that can be revoked. the second you find a soldier that does something horrible. Because by that logic, we could not wage World War II. Right.

Sometimes at nighttime, I think about Ukraine and Russia and I think about what's going on right now with Israel and Palestine, and I get so terrified. I get so terrified of the possibility of it just going off the rails and then nukes being on the table. Because I just... I know we haven't used one since 1945, but I feel like that is one of those things. when you look at history, like the invention of the bow and arrow, the invention of the atlatl, 2,000 years later.

How long before someone shot someone with it? Did they wait a while? You know, was it a few years? Was it a few months before someone shot someone with an arrow once they first invented it? Just because it's been...

Let's go to 100 years. In overall history of human beings, 100 years ain't shit. If you look at the 1700s, do you really think there's a big differentiation between 1720 and 1790? Or is there that much of a difference? I bet there's not.

I bet if someone did something today with a nuclear bomb, history would look at it the same way we look at every other thing that takes place over long periods of time. Oh, then there was the invention of the wheel, and then, X amount of years later, they put a fucking gun on top of that thing and started mowing people down. And this is just blips in time. We're just in the middle of it. So we think, well, mutually assured destruction is what's kept us from dying.

But has it? Or are we just waiting? Are we waiting for this fucking stupid game, this chess game, to reach a point where it's checkmate? Reach, a point where someone flips the table over? Because if you're dealing with people that aren't afraid to die, and you're dealing with people that are willing to kill everyone that opposes them because they genuinely think they're doing the will of God, they get a hold of a nuke.

If they're willing to kill, I've always said this, how many people is it acceptable to kill in one shot? If you say they bombed and killed thousands, well, that number seems to be reasonable for us. We're like, well, thousands of people died in 9-11 too, and that sucks, and that's really awful that thousands of people are dying. But if someone dumps a nuke and it kills a million people instantly, is that more horrific?

To them. To us, it scares the shit out of us because of mutually assured destruction. But is that more horrific to someone who really believes they're doing the right thing? If it's okay to kill a thousand people.

But you could see how a sociopath or a psychopath would go in that direction.

you know, you and your wife getting a bunch of embryos, 15 or 20 embryos, doing polygenic analysis on those embryos and telling you which ones are going to turn out taller, which ones are going to turn out smarter, which ones are going to turn out less likely to be depressed. If you have a history of schizophrenia in your family, we can tell you that correlates with this set of genes and this one's less likely. So you're scoring your own embryos, which people already do, but now they just score it based on what's the biggest embryo, which is...

That might not be the way to go, kids. It might not be just bigger.

Yeah, see if you can find that, because I know I butchered that. If you're a scientist out there, sorry.

It was a mistake. Guys, we're just trying to kill this thing that doesn't really kill any people anymore. New research suggests that a controversial gene-editing experiment to make children resistant, not even immune, resistant to HIV, may have also enhanced their ability to learn and form memories. Yeah, you don't think that's an accident?

This guy. Man with the world's highest IQ, Christopher Langan, is gaining a following on the far right. So are you saying that this guy is a white supremacist?

they've likened him to Alex Jones with a thesaurus. Langan, now in his 60s, has been a curiosity for nearly 25 years, a man who has clocked his own IQ somewhere north of 190.. Albert Einstein wasn't quite there, apparently, who has mostly worked as a bouncer in a bar, never attained any significant professional roles or published any serious academic work. He's been the subject of several profiles, from Esquire Magazine to Malcolm Gladwell. He makes an appearance in Outliers, the documentarian, Errol Morris, even interviewed Langan.

He's an interesting guy. He's very intelligent. Like, when you hear him talk, he's obviously able to, like, retain an incredible amount of information in his brain. But over the years, it says in this article, but over the years, he has garnered a following that overlaps considerably with fans of the far right internet content. Okay.

Overlaps doesn't mean he's far right. Right? We can agree to that. He invades against the academic establishment for not accepting his papers about his proprietary theory of everything. He frequently touts his IQ.

Okay. So, he's got flaws. Inviting the interest of alt-right readers. Okay. What does that mean?

Inviting the interest of alt-right readers. Just because people read him.

Look what he's saying, though. He's inviting the interest. He's not saying this. It's saying he's inviting the interest of people who believe. And writers who subscribe to the belief that IQ is racially determined and a sign of racial superiority.

It's not him saying that. It's saying that people who, like him, think something fucked up. One of Langen's posts, an obituary for the intelligent gorilla Coco, wherein Langen suggested the U.S. would do better to admit African gorillas as refugees than African people, was praised by the Daily Stormer, the Neo-Nazi blog. So what did he actually say, though?

Give me a second. Because it seems like they would put that quote in there if that quote was so... Probably. Yeah, it was such a problem. Why don't...

But...

You know, he knows he's smart, too.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that they're stupid. It just means that they have flaws.

IQ is one thing, but intellectual honesty.

and general psychological, mental maturity, emotional maturity, two totally different things.

We all do. I shouldn't just repeat things that I read in one article without having done the primary source stuff.

It's not possible, especially when you're talking about all the events and all the things in the world. It's just... You're going to fuck things up. Do you find anything about that guy's quote? I'm trying...

There's a lot about him, so I'm trying to dig through that. I'd just like to see the quote that he said about African gorillas. I don't think it's actually a quote. He's got a blog where he talks about... He's got a long writing...

He writes... He's got tons of writing. Right. He's got a sub stack. This guy's been writing for a long time.

Yeah. That's why there's so many profiles on him. Mm-hmm. There's videos asking if he's completely made up, if all this is bullshit. Well, I just think he doesn't have the sort of academic...

You know, he doesn't have PhDs, and he's not accepted in... It's not... So even if he's really intelligent, people are going to dismiss him just because he's not a part of that system. Mm-hmm.

But I want to know what he said. that made them say that.

That's not him. You can't do that. That's bullshit. That's not journalism. It's...

Mm-hmm. And I think that this thing with China, where you're saying that it's overall good to increase a child's intelligence. Like, who would say that's not good? Like, would you rather it could be dull-witted? Like, well, this Billy could be dull.

Or what we can do with CRISPR is, by a significant margin, increase his ability to memorize things, and you'd go, oh, yeah, what do I have to do? That's really safe and effective. We're just going to do this little gene editing. And then, all of a sudden, Billy's a fucking genius. Of course you would do that.

Yeah, I would. And that's just the beginning. That's the beginning. We're going to...