#2057 - Dale Brisby
2023-11-03 03:02:28
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I feel like I shouldn't have these on either. Show me that hat, bro. Let's go. Oh.
There's a couple, I hope I didn't overdo it.
I've been here for three years. It's about time I wore one of these fucking hats.
This is, uh, my brother made this belt and buckle.
Oh, nice. That was an idea I had. Oh, that's very cool.
Oh, fuck, yeah. Oh, it's got my name on it and everything?
Yeah, it's a handmade.
It's got a little elk antler. Look at that, folks. It's Christmas. Leigh-Louis Gibbons made that. Christmas, really?
I hope that fits.
I hope it fits, too. Here we go. I got a fat head.
Oh, it's backwards. Oh. Oh, my gosh.
Is that good? Bro, that fits. Fits. How's it look, Jamie? All right.
You fucking...
Honestly, I don't know how they're supposed to fit. That's pretty close. Because they stick up a lot, and I feel like that's not how it's supposed to be, but everybody says that is how it's supposed to be. So it does. There's like two modes that you can put it in.
Yeah. You know, like, there's. just like... If you're just out and about, you can put it in. If you're just out, honky tonking, or then if you're about to, like, you know, get on a bronc or something.
I'm getting serious.
And you just pull it down, and it makes your ears crunch.
No.
That's like a fight mode.
I think maybe this is too small.
Does it stretch? It's a three-eighths.
Does it stretch?
A little bit, but I'll get you a half.
Heat it up? Steam it. Steam it.
Made here in Texas. Are they? It's American hat made in Texas.
Feels like an American hat made in Texas.
I'll get you a half. That's a three-eighths.
It's pretty close. It's right about there. You can almost... Feels like I'm fucking real Texan, goddammit.
That's what I was thinking. I was like, my man's needs a cowboy hat.
I definitely need one. Now I have one. We're good. Now I feel complete. I'm real close to saying y'all.
Yeah. I'm getting close a couple times.
Right around the corner.
I've been here for three years now.
Yeah. I'm never moving.
I fucking love this place. Do you? Yeah. Love it.
I can't imagine living anywhere else.
Texas is fun. It's just like you go everywhere else and there's so many rules, you're like, why? Yeah. Why do you guys have all these rules? Do we really need them?
Does it make you better? Does it make society better? Does it make you safer? Fuck out of here.
I feel like in Texas, you can experience true freedom.
Yeah. Well, this is a crazy place. Do you ever read the history of the place? Do you guys ever read any books on how this place was sort of established, like when they conquered the Comanches and the Texas Rangers?
The Llano Estacado and all that. Wow.
The history is just so insane. No wonder why they resisted becoming a state for so long. We got this.
It's brutal. Yeah. Some of those stories are just like- Oh my God. You got to set them down and come back to them.
Yeah. Empire of the Summer Moon is like that. There's some of the horrific tales of torture and what they. ... Those Comanches were some wild folks.
They were some wild folks. I mean, if I could have an invisible bubble and go back in time and just experience it without them knowing I was there, I would love to see what that was like.
Yeah.
It was a brutal time, man.
I feel like- Have you seen Lonesome Dove?
Yes.
Yeah. I feel like it's probably pretty close to what it was like. Yeah. I mean, just guessing.
I mean, everyone's, just sort of trying to recreate those moments and try to. ... But I think ... It's just hard to believe that just ... I mean, when did they really conquer this area?
It was like the 1800s. Less than 200 years ago.
Not that long ago.
Not that long ago. This place was wild.
Yeah. Wild. My great-great-granddad was a Texas Ranger, and he actually met Quanah Parker. Whoa. Yeah.
Sitting in a teepee with him. Whoa.
He wrote a book. It's like really wild times of back in the day and homesteading. But it was like, I'm not that far away from meeting that guy. I mean, obviously, you can't meet your great-great-granddad, but you can almost reach out and talk to.
him about a human life, like how long ago it was. I would say. like 1776, United States was established. People lived to be 100.. That's three people ago.
Three people ago.
That's three people ago.
That's three people ago.
I mean, when you think about it that way, you're like, wait, for real? Three people ago was 1776, but yeah, you put them birth to death. That's real.
That's real.
That's real. That is all fucking snap of the fingers when it comes to human history. It's nothing.
Yeah. Yeah. That's why people go to talking about changing, like, I don't know, we're changing pretty fast.
It's changing pretty fast here right now.
I think maybe we could slow down a little bit.
I wish we could. I had Elon Musk on the other day. We're talking about AI, like slowing down artificial intelligence. And he's basically like, yeah, I said maybe we should do that, but no one's going to listen.
Yeah. He went to that conference at the end of it.
It's fucking scary shit, dude. Because as quickly as the world changed for the Native Americans, when the Europeans moved here, that that world is going to change even quicker for us. if AI takes over. It's the Terminator, man.
And he's like, he's so close to it and he's worried about it. The way he talked about, you know, just like the extinction people and you guys are like, that's a whole nother world. I didn't realize. like people that don't value human life are in charge of this. It's like, it gets a little scary.
Yeah. There's some people out there that are not well and they miss the point and they probably don't have anybody around them. that gets it. But anybody that says like, I don't want to have kids, and why would you have kids today? I would never want to bring a kid up in this world.
People had kids before they figured out floors.
Right.
That's why we're here. Yeah. Like, don't you like people? This is my thing. Like, you don't want to have kids.
Like, how do you think people get made? You need kids and then they become people that you like. Right. Like, yeah, it's a lot of responsibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's difficult. It's hard. And if shit goes wrong for them, it feels terrible for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The world's crazy.
But there's more books and medicine and information now than ever. Yeah. There's problems. Yeah. There's never been a time when people have been alive ever that didn't have problems.
We create fucking problems.
We just kind of swapped them for the early days. You know, it's just different problems.
Yeah. We don't have to worry about starving to death anymore. Now we have to worry about being too fat and eating ourselves to death.
It's a different problem. We just got to put them on carnivore.
That would help.
Yep.
That would help. But then the people that are thinking they should eat bugs and only vegetables are freaking out.
Yeah.
You know, because there's this mantra that people chant out that, like, you, need to stop eating meat to save the world. Like, that's not going to work, kids. That's not going to do it. That's not going to do it. You want to say we should get rid of factory farming?
Yeah. Horrific conditions that animals live under, there's no reason for that. They should be living like regenerative farming. We should figure that out. Animals should live like animals are supposed to live.
They shouldn't be stuffed into little cages and, you know, fucking pumped by machines to get their milk out. Like, it would be nice if things were more natural, like, like if you get like a good regenerative farm, like White Oaks Pastures or someplace like that, what they do is just recreate nature in a contained environment. Yeah. Cattles roam, chickens roam, you use the manure to fertilize your food. That's how people are supposed to do it.
Yeah.
Vertical integration. Yeah.
It's supposed to be, it's supposed to be like an ecosystem that it all, nature knows how to do it. It all works together. And when it does that, it's basically carbon neutral, which is really incredible. But instead of concentrating on the things we're doing wrong, they just, they have. like this blanket solution.
We eliminate meat and save the planet. Like you're still not going to save the planet. Like it's not, and it's not saving the planet. It's saving the human impact of the planet. And unless China's on board and unless India's on board, you're not going to put a dent in.
that. Right. It just seems like.
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Yeah, like. maybe it is making an impact, but like if everything else that's going on is going to cause it, I mean, how much of an impact at what cost? You know, like Jordan Peterson talks about with, are there some other things we could be doing with, like helping poverty, you know, raising up the impoverished.
That would be much better.
You know what I mean? Like all these resources that are going towards certain things. Like. I'm not saying we shouldn't do some of it, but are there some other ways that I kind of threw out the playbook? as far as like nutrition, somebody said half the people that die of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.
I think it was on Huberman that I heard that.
And I mean, you can fact check me, but like, I'm pretty sure, like Huberman has said that, but like 50% of the people that died of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol and that, like high cholesterol, it just made me question everything. I'm not trying to make like some scientific claim, cause I'm a cowboy, but it made me, it's like maybe meat is less of an enemy than what mainstream is trying to tell everybody. That's the main point.
Meat is eaten by 95% of the people on the planet. And we have since the beginning of time. If meat was killing everybody, that would have killed us off a long time ago. Meats the most nutrient, dense food you can eat. We just have all these problems in this country in terms of what narratives are being spread and what information is being spread.
And one of the big ones that started it off was, was it the fifties or the sixties with the sugar industry? So the 1950s, the sugar industry paid off the scientists to fake this study, to fake these results and have it say that saturated fat is the cause of heart disease and not sugar, because there was an obvious increase. So here it is. Documents show the trade group called Sugar Research Foundation, known today as the Sugar Association, paid three Harvard scientists the equivalent of about $50,000 in today's dollars to publish a 1967 review of research on sugar, fat and heart disease. So it was a complete bullshit heart paper that these guys created that had everyone, including me, when I was growing up, and most people that have listened to this that haven't looked into it.
We thought that saturated fat was causing heart disease, when really it was sugar. The massive overconsumption of sugar. that started when people started adding sugar to everything, adding corn syrup to everything. When they subsidized corn, they had all this corn, turned it into corn syrup, started adding this sweetener to everything. And, like people, started getting fat as fuck and having heart attacks.
And the sugar industry is like, we got to blame somebody else. Who are we going to blame? Let's blame this thing that people have been eating since the beginning of time. Let's blame saturated fat. And let's say, you know, the dietary cholesterol affects your overall health and, like, goddamn, cholesterol is like literally what you need to form hormones.
Cholesterol, it's a building block of your human body. It's like, it's critical. It's a critical thing. And there's LDL and HDL, and to try to figure out what's well, you need, like a, like a Huberman, to sit down and break something like that down to you. And then there's also hereditary issues that people have.
Some people really should be on a low cholesterol diet and some people have heart disease they're born with. There's a lot of factors. Yeah.
Yeah. The, um, the carbs and the sugar.
That's the big one, man. That's the big one. You can cut that shit out of your life. You'll be better off. You'll be better off.
A lot better off. And I don't mean all carbs.
Aren't you on it right now?
I'm on the carnivore diet. Yeah. But I did eat a pizza with Elon Musk.
Minus the pizza.
Couldn't stop. Couldn't stop. Thank God, Jamie took it away.
And then you got mad at him for taking it away.
I know. I was like fucking, I was like a golem in the ring.
My precious. My precious. My precious. How many of those slices did you smoke down?
At least five or six, right?
There's only two left.
It's a heal. He had like one or two. I ate most of the pie.
That's why he took it. He wanted a piece.
He didn't want a piece. He did not. He was not interested in fish. Jamie is an anti-fish man.
That's right. You said that.
You know how people are pulling all the fish out of the ocean? Jamie is not responsible for any of that. He lives guilt-free about the fish genocide. Nothing to do with that.
If I had a piece of pizza, it would wreck me right now.
Well, you just got done working out with Tim Kennedy.
Yes.
That's not a good idea to do anything where you have to be functional for the rest of the day.
My man, Ty, in there that was with us?
Yeah.
We got done with the warm-up and he went in the bathroom and started throwing up. The warm-up.
Tim's warm-ups are way more extreme than most people's workouts.
Yeah. And he does that all the time. He's not fucking around just for you. He didn't have to torture you. He'll just take you and do what he does, and that'll torture you by itself.
Well, I got him a ticket last night to your show, and that was how he repaid me. By torturing you? He was like, all right, I'll go with you. Yeah, I worked out for you.
Listen, he was planning on torturing you. anyway. He told me when he was sitting in here, he told me he was going to get you. Yeah, I don't work out with that fucking dude. Get out of here, man.
He did. That's a real savage right there. Yeah. Bonafide. Like I was saying, I bet that dude makes his gum bleed every time he brushes his teeth.
He does everything hard.
Yeah, he works out the way you would expect him to, after you have a conversation with him.
Oh, yeah, he's intense. Yeah. But, you know, we need people like that.
I'd like to see him and Cam work out together.
Oh, it'd be fun. Yeah. Has he not done Cam's show yet?
Not yet.
Oh, he needs to do Cam's show. He's talked about it. Oh, they have to do it. Yeah.
Those are the only two times I've thrown up in workouts.
Him and Cam.
Him and Cam.
Yeah, Cam, is all about reps. He'll make you do like 100 reps of 135 pounds. I was like, what the fuck are we doing, dude?
We got off that mountain and went straight to the bow rack. And I kept going into the bathroom. We're adjusting my bow. And I kept going to the bathroom and Wayne was like, I think you need to check on him. And Cam was like, oh, he's fine.
We just, it was like 12 miles. And I was throwing up, it was coming out both ends.
Him and Tim. They're the only ones that got me like that.
It's hard to shoot after you're that tired too. Yeah. It's hard to stay like, stay stable. If I come here after lifting and I try to shoot, my arms are just, they don't communicate well. No.
My arm doesn't want to stay steady. This arm's all shaky. It's just, he, you know, he calls it lift, run, shoot. But I fucking think it should be shoot, lift, run. I don't think you should, I don't, when I practice like archery in the morning, I don't do jack shit.
before I practice archery. Yeah. I want to be loose. I loosen my arms up a little, I would take some breathing exercises. I don't want to be out of breath.
I don't be anything. Like. I know on the mountains, there's going to be moments where you're out of breath and all that stuff. But I feel like getting in shape. is the solution for that.
Right. I don't think the solution is try to shoot when you're exhausted. You just develop bad habits. But Cam doesn't really shoot before he, he calls it lift, run, shoot, but he really shoots before he lifts. Yeah.
He'll tell you the same thing. Like, you know, you really want to be, you want to have confidence in your shooting. And the only way to do that really is to be like relaxed and not, not exhausted. You don't want your arms exhausted. The whole idea is like, you're trying to build repetition over, you need thousands of reps to be able to execute the way he does.
Yeah. You know, you watch him every fucking day. He does the same way every day, his muscle memory is just built into him.
Yeah. It was, it was intense being up there. There's a lot of similarities between him and Tim, you know, being around him, and I'm sure you're pretty similar to both of those guys, but.
I'm a little more loose than those fellows. I like to get fucked up. I like to party a little. I like to have fun. Yeah.
You're also a comedian.
So yeah, it's different, but it's far. in the comedian world, I'm about as disciplined as it gets.
I can tell.
In the comedian world, my, my life, the way I live is a little odd.
Well, if you're thinking about what I think, you're thinking like, how long, that was, like an hour last night that you were on stage.
I had two shows too. I had a 10 o'clock too.
And I just kept thinking like, damn, like that's a lot of work. And the timing of it. And like, I can't imagine the work you have to put, cause like I got comedian in my bio, but that's really like YouTube, you know, YouTube is a little different than stand up.
Yeah, it is. It's different cause. you're not doing in front of a live audience, but it's still being funny. You know, I'm not dismissive of YouTube comedians. You know, there's a lot of people that don't like when YouTubers go and do live shows.
Like should be happy that anyone's doing live shows. Let's have fun. Like, what do you give a fuck? You know, like some comedians don't like it when comedians use music or when they use props, or when they use this or that, like who gives a fuck? Yeah.
Just go, have fun.
Right.
Put on a good show. You can put on a good show with a slideshow. If you're good at it. Right. Figure out a way to put together a great show with slides.
Pauly Shore's there this weekend and he's got this great show of, like the history of his life. Like all these jokes written into it and everything, but he shows all these slides of him like as a young kid and all kinds of shit.
That's hilarious.
About him being babysat by Sam Kennison. So it's like, you could do comedy all kinds of ways, and Pauly does it regular way too, but he put together this thing like, yeah, why not? You know, fucking? do a YouTube comedy show. Do fucking TikTok.
Who gives a shit? Yeah. Have fun.
Yeah. That's, I guess my life was just kind of pointing a different direction with, you know, rodeoing, and you know, that was kind of my deal, you know, and that's what all my time has been. my entire life is like in, in and around an arena or on the back of a horse out in a pasture. But I've always had a respect for standup comedians. That's kind of my skydiving, I guess.
Maybe one day.
You should try it.
Yeah.
Yeah. Just sit down, come up with some stuff to talk about, fuck around, practice it, record it, see what it sounds like, you know, maybe try some jokes out on your friends, you know, maybe sneak it in there. If you have a couple of beers, just fucking dip your toes in, who knows, man.
Most of the time with cameras, we'll do one take, but yeah, you don't get that second take on stage.
No, you don't. But you learn how to knock it. You don't get that second take on a horse either.
That's a hundred percent, true. Yeah.
I mean, it's like with a lot of, you don't get that second take or you're shooting an arrow at a bull. Right. It's like, you know, there's a lot of things in life. you don't get a second take. That's a good point.
You can prepare as much as you can prepare. Yeah. And then you got to figure out how to go with the flow, you know, figure out the thing. And that's, what's fun. What's fun is you don't know what's going to happen.
like we, that's some of the most fun things in life. You have fucking no idea where it's going to go.
Well, it's crazy about the, the standup part is whenever, guys, you guys go to talking to the crowd, like Matt Rife that he had on the other day and like his crowd work and stuff.
Oh, he's great at that. Yeah.
I could, that's where I think it's like, you're able to still be funny, but I mean like it's improv.
Oh yeah. Yeah. A real crazy guy who's really good at that. It's really fun to watch because they're just making a show out of thin air and fucking around with people. Hinchcliffe's really good at that.
Andrew Schultz is amazing at that. He might be the best at it. He's really good at that. Yeah.
That Hinchcliffe was hilarious.
Oh, he's a man. He's a maniac.
His delivery, just throw, you know, he's setting something up, and then it just, yeah.
This kid, Rick Ingram out of LA, he's one of the best ever at crowd work. He's fucking amazing at it. He'll do his whole show with crowd work. He's really, he's got baked in bits too that he could go to, you know, if like someone's from a specific place, and it's fucking genius. Yeah.
He's a master at that, but it's, you know, it's, it's a bunch of different ways to do it. Yeah. You know, you could, you could do it. I feel like anybody could do it if you're funny. Right.
You're definitely funny. Yes, sir.
No, I appreciate it. I feel like, you know, like I would get on a bull or a horse and like have a certain feeling, and then that would be completely different for me. I'm sure it'd be swapped for a lot of you guys. You know, if you had to switch and get on a bull, obviously, but.
Oh yeah. Every new crazy thing is a totally different experience, you know, like I can't imagine riding a fucking bull. That was one of the one times on Fear Factor where I told the producers, don't do it, don't do it. I got there and they had these, one of the girls was like 98 pounds, this tiny little lady, and they had her riding this bull. I go, dude, don't, don't do this to these people.
And the fucking, the stunt men are some of the hardest dudes you will ever meet. Those dudes are not worried about broken bones. They break them all the time. They're not worried about shit. So they're not worried about themselves getting injured.
They take precautions, you know, they, they're professional, but they're definitely not worried about these fuckers getting injured either. They don't want them to get injured, but they'll put them in danger. And I was like, these are fucking bulls. And the, the, the stunt guy, he was hilarious. He always had a dip in his mouth and he was on set so often that he stopped spitting his dip because he couldn't like carry around a cup.
So he just started swallowing it. Yeah. So he swallows his dip. What kind of a man is there swallowing dip for decades? There's a lot of them.
That kind of dude. Yeah. And so he was like, don't worry, boo. They're stunt bulls. I go, they're stunt bulls.
I go, is that bull? No. He's a stunt bull. I bet he thinks he's a fucking bull. I bet he has no idea what a stunt bull is.
Yeah. And the stunt bull is like a less aggressive.
For sure. Yeah.
That thing was aggressive as fuck.
I call them, I call like the one I have, he would be like my bucket list bull. because, like, if somebody just wanted to get on a bull for the hell of it, like, I would put them on this one black bull, we call him trunk. He just jumps and kicks around there and he's a little, he's kind of predictable and he's not mean at the end of it. And then we've got some other bulls that, you know, we'll get it on in the gate and then be mean and might try to kill you. But I imagine I vaguely remember the show and what I remember about it, it would be like something probably a notch or two above trunk, like my bucket list type bull ride.
Like if you were to get on a bull, I would put you on trunk.
Yeah, it's not going to happen. I'm so not interested in that. Right. They don't want me on there. I don't want to be on there.
We've got a relationship that way. We've got a good agreement.
And normally I try to talk people out of it.
Good.
Like I got my whole program like revolves around, like interns coming in. Like my Netflix show, was those, like my interns learning how to rodeo, and they, and so I've got guys coming in that want to ride bulls, want to ride Bronx. And I'll tell them, like all the things, like, listen, number one, you could die or worse, you know, you could die from the neck down and not the neck up, you know, and I'll just be real with them. I'll have three or four of those conversations and if they still want to do it, well, then I'll teach them, you know, because there's, there are some precautions you can take to minimize risk, but there's always risk.
Yeah. You get, you might get kicked. Yep. Stepped on. Yeah.
You might get stomped. You get stomped by a bull. Good Lord. Have you been stomped?
Oh yeah.
What does that feel like?
Uh, I broke, I broke a lot of bones like this. I broke my sternum. Like, you know, getting kicked, you know, stepped on in the chest that, that one's pretty bad, but a lot of the worst ones would be like concussions. That's the, those are the ones that'll stick with you. You know, those bones will heal, but the concussions will kind of, you know, that CTE, that's something that's not measured in rodeo.
Right. You know what I mean?
Right.
You get some guys that all of a sudden start getting knocked out, just, they can think about getting jerked down and it might knock them out.
Yeah. That gets sketchy, right? Yeah. When the chin goes. Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just like fighters. You get knocked out too many times and you get knocked out really easily. Right. It's very spooky to see. When I see it in fighters, it makes me very concerned.
Sometimes you got a guy who's just maybe had just too many fights and they used to be real durable, and then you see him get dinged once and you see like instantly the legs go and you're like, Oh my God, he barely got touched and he got rocked.
Yeah. And there's just, I'm sure, with fighters too, there's just this, once that sport grabs a hold of your soul, it's so hard to let it go.
And it's the most exciting moments of your life is winning and, and, and competing. And that, that high is so high that regular life seems like a dull gray. And I think it's very hard for them. And it's also hard for them because their identity gets wrapped up in being a fighter. A lot of my friends that have retired, they've real, they really struggle, like trying to figure out who they are afterwards.
And then they entertain one more fight and then, and it's like, but they don't really want to fight. They just want something that makes them excited again.
Yes, sir. And there's kind of a, I think the winning and going down the road is part of it. And then you, you have those certain individuals that, and I think, I mean, you know, a lot of them in that world. I feel like Cowboy is definitely one of them, Cerrone, but like in rodeo, when there's somebody that is in love with the actual fight, you know, like, I think, a lot of people, and these guys get weeded out. They don't have that long of a career in rodeo.
I'm sure fighting is the same that like, they like to have fought, they like to have ridden bulls, but then you get those guys who, like, cameras, are off, nobody's there. And they don't like, they want to get on a bronc, that they love the thrill of that fight, not on your head. The gate opens and it's, it's you and it's so pure and so pure. And, I'm sure, like a fighter that is just, they're just hungry for it. Yeah.
The actual between the bells, that's what's scary. Maybe all of them that on your level, they're all like that. I think they would have to be.
I guess to a degree, once they get to the highest level, I mean, that, that is who they are. You know, like Donald, I mean, he's a pure fighter, but Donald is also very, he has a lot of interests. I'm not worried about Donald transitioning, cause he's, he, I think he has a legit possibility to be a movie star. I think he could do it. If any of those guys could do, I mean, movies are always looking for like a real hard looking cowboy, motherfucker, and Donald's that guy.
Yeah. I mean, he's perfect for movies. I, I could see him, like Randy Couture's, turned into a career in films, you know, with the expendables movies and all kinds of other shit. I could see Donald doing that easy. Yeah.
100%.
Yeah. Chuck did it a little. Yeah. We're working on a comedy. I don't know if you saw his short that he did at his ranch the other day on Halloween.
He put out like a 10 minute, like, like a little mini movie. Donald did. Yeah. It was, it's, it's really cool. It was very well put together.
and, uh, we're working on, he and I are doing like a comedy where.
Nice.
Yeah. So I got a guy working for me. That's writing it right now. Beautiful. So it'll be fun.
I love Donald. Yeah. He's a wild boy.
Yeah. He wants you to come out to his, uh, kid's camp. That seems to be his passion.
What is his kid's camp?
Uh, it's, it's in the summer, in June. He does like, he just has kids come out and they just learn to be like miniature Cowboys, Ceronis. Like they, they, we shoot bows, guns. Um, they roll every day and they just, there's sessions, campfire sessions at night.
That's awesome.
50, 60 kid. That's his, that's probably the thing he's most passionate about, now that he's done fighting.
That's beautiful.
He talks about it all the time.
He's got a good heart.
Yeah.
He really does.
Yeah.
It's a good man. But he told a story on this podcast about getting trapped in a cave while cave diving with this dude, and the dude panicked and the cave got filled up with mud. You couldn't see anything. One of the, even though he was right there and I knew he survived, like it was one of the most fucking terrifying stories I've ever heard in my life, because he was running out of air and he couldn't figure out how to get out of the cave because it was all filled with silt. So he's like searching around for the opening to try to figure out how to get out.
Yeah. That's an intense story. Yeah.
about his family, thinking about his kids and his wife, and never see them again. He's going to die in this cave. Like fuck.
But he's got that never quit attitude.
Yeah. And also like don't go cave diving with people who panic. Yeah. You know, just people who panic are dangerous.
Don't do anything with people that panic.
Don't do anything. Like you, have to experience panic many times in your life and figure out how to manage that before you start fucking around in caves. Yeah. That should not be the first time you really panic.
I'm nervous. if a situation went down that I, I'm not saying I'd be some badass. I'm just saying like I might be too desensitized, having been around rodeo, like an emergency situation would be like, we'd be eight, nine, 10 seconds into it before. I'm like, oh man, we need to do something. Right.
Just cause, like seeing guys get crashed in the arena and, and like having to help them, you know, situations like that.
Right.
I don't know, but I'm sure fighters are the same way, but.
They definitely get desensitized to people getting hurt.
Yep.
For sure. You know, one time, uh, my wife, uh, she had like a, one of those SUVs with a hatchback thing and she was taking something out of the back and the corner of the door was above her head and she didn't know. And she stood up and slammed it, the corner of it, right into the top of her head, and blood starts trickling down her face. She was freaking out. And I looked at it, I'm like, it's like that big, it's like a little cut.
We could superglue it. I was like, it's nothing. Yeah. I was like, to me, it was like, if it was, that was my head, I'd be like, oh, it's just a little cut. It's no big deal.
But you're like, blood! And I'm like, oh my God, I'm so, it's a person I love more than anyone and I'm so desensitized to like a little cut. Yeah. I'm like, this is nothing. Yeah.
This is like a, barely an injury. I'm so used to seeing people just busted open, their fucking eyelids hanging off their face and they're like, don't stop the fight. Let them fight. You know, you're so used to seeing guys that probably have a broken hand cause they haven't thrown it in two rounds. You're so used to seeing guys get fucked.
I've seen so many guys, I've seen like four guys have their legs snapped from checking kicks. now. I see, you see so many injuries.
Yeah.
I get so desensitized to seeing people just getting fucking knocked into another dimension with a head kick. It's so normal.
I rodeoed with a guy, um, we went together for years. Ross Sherrod. He was a Marine. So he came back from Iraq and started riding bareback horses. And he got, he got, uh, jerked down into like a pipe fence and, just like, crushed his face.
Like, had to, like surgery and like, and he just never knocked out, just like stood up and he's just a little stocky, you know, Marine, you know, like, door to door, Marine. And he, just like, walks out and was like, I'm going to go down here to the hospital. Just blood everywhere, broken eye socket, broken everything. And, uh, you know, we helped him. And, uh, but it made me think, you know, like, I feel like I've seen quite a bit of injuries with the rodeo arena, but I can't imagine guys like Ross or even Tim who have done MMA and been to Afghanistan.
Yeah. That's a different level of seeing people get fucked up. Yeah.
Watch somebody come out without an arm, not just an arm broken.
Well, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, she has that white streak in her hair that, that came when she was deployed, when she was working on these medical units. Dang. Yeah. That's where she got that just from the horrors of seeing all these people shot up, blown up, just the stress of their lives, trying to put them back together again. Yeah.
Dang.
Yeah. Yeah. That's something you can't unsee.
Yeah. Yeah. There's, I mean, and there's so many people in this world that have experienced nothing right. And this floating around, not, not having any experience with any kind of chaos.
Yeah. I think, a little bit of pain here and there is, uh, I don't know, just to show you what the good times mean.
It gives you some perspective. Perspective. For sure. Yeah. And seeing how vulnerable the human body is, you know, we're vulnerable as shit.
Yep.
Whether we like to think of it or not, and think of yourself as a badass, you're still made out of basically a fucking meat water balloon. Right. You know, it's.
It'll, it'll, it'll make it. Is this water open? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Let's grab that.
It'll make a guy come to Jesus on the back of the chutes. That's for sure.
Oh yeah.
Especially coming back from an injury.
Oh, I would imagine, you know, cause, then you're going to get back on the horse. Right. Literally.
Yep.
Yeah. How did you start rodeoing? When, how old were you?
I mean, I was born into it. My dad was, I was kind of, I was on the rough, roughy end of the arena. So like if you go to a rodeo arena, there'll be timed event side and a rough stock side. The timed event is like a team roping, a calf roping, barrel racing. And then the rough stock end is the bucking horses, bucking bulls, bull fighters, pickup men.
There's five things you can do down there. Bareback, saddle, bronc, bull riding, and then the pickup man and the bullfighters. So there's five jobs you do on that rough stock end. And my dad did all those. And so like, I grew up like a roughy, so to speak, and fell in love with all of it.
And, uh, you know, it's kind of two stories. Bull riding. I'm the greatest of all time and the most humble, you know, I'm sick and tired of YouTube pulling down all my bull rides. You know, it just gets old.
Do they pull your bull rides down?
I'm just so, I'm just so violent, just so violent. But bronc riding has been like the thing that I've chased. And like, that's what, that's one of the last things my dad did. And bronc riding, it's similar to bull riding, except it's a horse, not a bull. And, uh, but yeah, I got started young and got on my first bull whenever I was like 10 or 12..
Oh, my God.
You know, and, uh, and then it was all down here from there. I mean, I had a little bit of fear involved, but I just knew that was the path I was going on, no matter what. And my dad didn't push me, you know, but he, that's just, that was in our blood. That's just what we did. And I was going to do it, whether he pushed me or not.
And, uh, and then I, just, once it got, once that fight, experiencing that fight of every night, I wasn't much for the party. And there's, there's a lot of guys that all of it together, the party and then that lifestyle, like I enjoyed having a good time. But for me, being behind the shoots, getting ready for that fight, that was what kept me coming back.
I would imagine very few people party as hard as rodeo guys.
I would, I would agree with that a hundred percent.
In Vegas, there's a lot of times where UFC events, or I'll do a comedy event and they'll align with when the rodeo is in town, and those dudes are just different. Like you could see it in their fucking face. You know, they're just different.
I'm usually driving them. Yeah. I'm usually driving them. Yeah. I've always been, you know, the sober one of the group.
But um, how'd you avoid the partying?
My dad did it. And so, like, just when I was a kid, like I, just kinda, I'm not really ever succumbed to peer pressure. Like I just kind of was going to be on this path. And, uh, he was like John Wayne mixed with Woodrow Cole, mixed with Billy Graham. Like he was like a Christian man, hard cowboy, kind of, but still a hard ass.
And it was, so I kinda, he didn't like, tell me, like, you can never drink, but I just didn't. And then, before I knew it, I looked it back and I just hadn't drank and I was having a pretty good time. I'm like the old Vaughn. Like when I get something, I get it. And I knew that if I got that, it would get me.
Like. I just know that.
Yeah. That's why I've avoided cocaine.
I don't, I don't do cocaine. I do like the way it smells, but I don't.
I've never even smelled it.
I'm just kidding. I haven't done that either.
I had a friend of mine when I was in high school and his cousin started selling it and his cousin, like it's almost like a dude who got bit by a vampire. Like he became a different person. Like he became, he lost a lot of weight, got really skinny, wasn't eating. And him and his girl would. just, they had an apartment that was like in the attic of this house.
And they would just sit in their apartment and like, do coke and watch movies and, and sell coke. And his life, kind of just like, slipped away into this very bizarre addiction thing. And this was like, I guess I was like 16 or 17 when that was happening to him. And I remember thinking like, fuck, that drug, whatever that is, that drug, fucking, grabs you. I don't want to have nothing to do with that.
It seems like one of those forks in the road. And like when you do try it or do it a little bit, like it's going to take you down, this other, like your life, takes a turn. Like that, seems like a good illustration of, it's. just like, what would he have been like had he never done that? You know?
Right. Right. Like it, just, that, and maybe that's kind of the way I viewed alcohol, but.
Well, it certainly is the case for some people. I mean, if I had an alcoholic in my family, maybe I would have avoided alcohol too.
That was kind of me too. Yeah. I didn't have that.
Yeah. If you have that too, and you see how it could wreck someone's life. It's hard, man. It's having control over your urges. And especially if you have a physical addiction, you know, like you get physically addicted to alcohol.
That is one of the ones that if you kick it too quick, you'll die. Yeah. Alcohol and benzos, Xanax, when people just try to kick that cold turkey, there's a possibility you could die. Yeah. Scary shit.
Yeah. I thought it was my sternum. I went in, I had some big life stuff happening and I was like, went in my doctor. I thought, like, you know, something with my, cause, my old man died of a heart attack. Actually while I was at a rodeo and like in the arena.
But anyways, I had, like some, some chest pain and he went in and doctor was like, well, do you have anything big going on? I was like, yeah. And then he started talking about Xanax and all this. And I was like, I guess half ass, like panic attacks or whatever. I don't know.
And I was like, oh, that's what it, okay. Forget. we had this conversation. I just walked out. Like, I didn't want no part of like, I just, that kind of stuff.
would, those kind of drug or pills or whatever you want to call them would just grab me and not let go. I think.
Well, that's Jordan Peterson. I mean, he, it took him like a full year to recover. So it took him a long time to kick it and then a full year to get back to normal again.
Yeah.
That's that Xanax stuff. Scary. And they're just willing to give it to you. They're like, Hey Dale, what are you freaking out a little bit here? Take this.
This is our anti freak out pill.
Yeah. It'll only cost you.
Apparently, it's amazing. I've never done it, but apparently people have done it. They go, oh, like all of a sudden. life is a breeze. Like we.
And I'm sure when there's like, it was for me in that moment, like there's this professional telling you, you should take it. Makes it like, oh man, this guy said I should fucking stethoscope on. Yeah. He's legit.
He's got a pocket protector. Yeah. That's like Dale Brisby.
I got this buckle on. You might as well listen to me about bull riding.
Must listen. Yeah. It's, and they want you to try it out, and unfortunately they're incentivized to do that, which is even scarier. Yeah. And also a lot of people want it.
Right. So if you're a doctor and you've got someone who's got a lot of anxiety and you say, would you like Xanax? Like, yes, I would. And then, boom, they got it. And they're like, thank you, doctor.
I feel so much better. Well, he did his job, I guess. I don't know. Yes. Just not for me.
Yeah.
Me neither.
So you didn't have a, like. the sternum wasn't like rebroken or anything. It was just a panic thing. Yeah.
It was just, I was just short of breath, you know, and that's, it was kind of the start of me, like starting to look into, like, you know, cholesterol and whatnot. And like really, and, uh, it ultimately led to like, I'm just going to change my diet around. And, but that, that had nothing to do with the panic attacks, but that was kind of, it, it snowballed into like me, changing my diet and doing all kinds of different things.
Just realizing you got to get control of yourself. Yeah. For sure.
But there's a lot of people that argue that I went the opposite direction now, just eating all meat.
Yeah. Yeah. Those people, I think they should try it.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, the best I've ever felt, right. I feel my best when I don't fuck around with bread and carbs. I don't think salads are a problem, but I do think there's a real concern about the amount of glyphosate that gets into people's system from, from monocrop, monocrop agriculture. That's real. I don't know how much that's doing to you.
And I know that there's been many times in the past where people have dismissed the health concerns about a certain substance. And then later on, you find out, you know, that that fucking kills people, causes cancer and it's a real problem and it's contributing to all these autoimmune issues and this and that, and that and this. And like, oh, now we know, but it took 10 years for people to figure it out. There's a lot of like, very legitimate people that are sounding the alarm about the dangers of glyphosate and the fact that, when they do, they did this blood test, like this study on people, and they found that like 90, something percent of the people had glyphosate in their blood. Even if it's a small amount, like, there's a lot of apologists who want to say, it's oh, it's a small amount and it's very safe.
Like a small amount of something that kills, kills you and causes cancer doesn't, I don't like that. And it doesn't sound good in any way, shape or form. I don't think that should be dismissed, especially when we don't have long-term studies. And how long have they been using this shit? A couple of decades?
Who fucking knows what it's doing to us?
I don't know. What I do know about is like the beef, you know, and like, well, I say I know more about that than I do. vegetables and farming. And like, I'm a fan of, you know, I just watched this, you know, calf grow and I fed him out and then I took him and got him processed. And now I'm eating him.
Yeah. And like, there's just something to that where I just, I don't know, that seems like natural to me. Yeah. And that seems like the way God designed it. And I like grain finished, but some people like grass fed, I think, whatever.
And but that just, I don't know, I just don't feel like that's wrong.
I don't think it's wrong either. And I think there's a reality of life and death that a lot of people avoid. And they think that by not eating meat, you're somehow or another making life better for them. If you wanted them to live, naturally, they would get killed by wolves, and it'd be horrible. The way they get killed, they get their fucking hamstrings torn off and they get taken down, and they immediately tear their guts out and they swarm them.
And it's a horrific death, horrific, long, painful death. And if it's not that they're freezing to death, and if it's not that it's mountain lions, it's not that it's bears, it's not that it's starving. And that's the reality of being an animal in the wild. And if you think that somehow or another, like pasture raised animals that are just chilling, having a good time, eating grass, not a concern in the world. And then one day they get fed into a chute and they get a bolt in their brain, takes a second, they're instantly dead.
That's a better death, a better life, all the above.
100%. I went to the sale barn the other day and I took an old bull, old bucking bull there. He was probably like 10.. Like if you're eating beef, odds are that sucker didn't live past a little over a year, like at the most. And so, like this joker had an extra nine years on his life as a bucking bull, and it's pretty laid back.
You know, he does his deal once, twice a week. And when I sold him, I bought another bull, just I thought he looked cool. And now he's at my house and he's a bucking bull, a practice bull. But those other order buyers that were in the sale barn, if they'd have bought that bull, like he was going to go, I guess this is just like an extension of what you're saying. And like, even with rodeo, people that argue with it, like, man, if anything, I'm giving them a better life, you know?
But regardless, whether that bull would have come to be a bucking bull at my house or gone to, you know, be burger, I don't know.
Is that what they would normally do to them? when they're done with them? They turn them into burger?
Yeah. So whenever you get like an older cow, an older bull, the steaks from them are just not as good. Like you want a young, either, like I said, grain fed for me to like this perfect point. You got people in the feedlot that'll watch them be like, that, one's ready. And that's what, like if you go to these steak houses and get a prime ribeye, like that was a calf that was, I mean, that was not an old steer.
You know, he probably weighed 11, 1200 pounds. And once he got to that weight, it was his time.
And a steer is a castrated bull, right? Correct. So how old are they when they castrate them?
Uh, we'll usually do it pretty young, like maybe three months old.
Yeah. And the whole idea with that is, if they grow up like that, then their meat is more tender. Then they get bigger.
Their hormones just go a completely different direction. You know, and you can tell, like in a pasture, my dad could tell just even a six month old, just he'll come down the chute, he'll look at his head and he'd be like, uh, we've got a heifer, got a bull. But like when they're older, like a year or two, you can tell out in the pasture, like that's not a steer. That's a bull. Like the way they grow is much different.
Like a bull is going to be more lean, a steer is going to have more fat to them.
And heifers will be that way too. They don't, they're, they're not as good to eat as like a steer. Like if you're getting a prime steak somewhere, it's probably a steer. How come? Again, like those hormones, like they're just there.
So like a steer is going to be more muscular than a heifer. Like he just doesn't have the focus of like reproduction. that she does, you know? And now he does, he doesn't have any focus of reproduction now that you castrated him. And so, like, he's all about, his only deal is he's going to grow and sleep.
He's going to eat and sleep. And so you grow them and eat them to this perfect point in the feedlot. They'll start on a cow calf. There's three phases. When they're born, it's called cow calf.
And that's the more sexy part of cowboying and ranching is like, you see them out in the pasture. And then that middle phase is the stalker phase. And uh, and that's where, like a yearling, you'll wean them at like 600 pounds and almost a year. Then you'll send them to a wheat pasture and they'll be there, for, you know, they'll gain, however much weight, maybe get to like 900.. And then they'll go to the feedlot till maybe 1200 pounds.
So that's the third phase is the feedlot and they'll get finished out and then they'll get slaughtered.
Have you ever eaten an old bull?
Yeah. Yeah. So I had an old bull get crippled and I was like, well, let's just try it. Like I got some rib eyes now that I'm on carnivore, like I need the meat, you know? Right.
And I had this old bull get crippled. And sometimes when they get real bad crippled, you don't want to take them to the cell barn. So we'll just process them. And uh, it is so much tougher. It's so much tougher.
Like they wouldn't even sell it at the grocery store. Like a, like a 10 year old bull. If you get that rib eye, it's just not good.
Did you try different ways of cooking it? Did you try like, cause? I would think that would be, there's probably some ways you could.
doctor it up. And when I say it's not good, I'm talking like compared to a prime one steak.
But is it more like wild game? Like what is it?
Yeah. It's just, it's just, it's going to be harder to chew through, you know, like an old bull. It's just going to be harder to, even the tenderloins, even the tenderloins. But now those are going to be better than like your sirloins, but they're still not going to be, there'll be a noticeable difference between like that and a little over a year old steer that got processed.
Because I've always felt that steaks are kind of unnaturally tender. anyway. It's kind of weird that when you see the difference between like eating an elk steak and eating like a beef steak, it's like, you're used to like, if you eat an elk steak, you're used to chewing through it. That's what meat is supposed to be like, like dense fibers.
If you like the round steaks of an elk, then that would be similar to like a ribeye, maybe of an old bull, bovine bull.
Because I know there's a place in Vegas that, uh, that we eat at all the time. It's called Bizarre Meats. And one of the things that they have on the menu is old cows. Like he likes, he likes the different flavor that you get from an older cow. And so it's like, they have that as an option.
I've tried it. It's really good.
I was about to say, I'm sure those guys, as good as they are, like, I just got like this griddle, I throw it on and you know what I mean? And so I'll sear it. Maybe sometimes if it's real thick, I'll throw it in the oven, but they probably got all kinds of tips and tricks that they can make a nine-year-old bull taste good.
Well, they do it slowly, over hardwood. So what they'll do is they have a fire and one of those Argentine grills, you know, that cranks and lowers and raises it, the grill works, grill. And so they'll have it up on high and it's getting just barely touched by the flames, a lot of smoke, and they'll slowly bring it up to temperature then. And then they drop it down and sear it at the end.
And it's, it sounds amazing.
It's pretty amazing.
When I'm at my house, I like to cook them all the same way. That way I can kind of judge them the same way. You know what I mean?
If it takes, you know what I mean, then I'll know. But if I got to do all that extra stuff and it's three meals a day, so like sometimes I'm just trying to have lunch, you know, and I just need to, yeah, I need to do a quick eat and go.
Yeah. I get it. I get it. Yeah. It's, um, so.
when you started and you were 10 years old, what was the, when was the first time you got fucked up?
I went to, I was at Charlie Thompson's. he's in Lubbock.
And my dad was like, my dad used to work for Charlie. He started, he's this old stock contractor. And uh, he's like, Charlie, I need something for him that I don't know, just jump kick. And he put me on this big bastard. And I was maybe, I was, I don't think I was 13,, I was maybe 12..
And for me it was big, but so like before, that, like eight, nine, 10, like I'm riding steers and stuff like that. So then, like, but my first bull was, it was right around 12 and this joker came out big spotted bull. They come up in the front end and everything in bull riding is counterintuitive. So like when they come up, you've got to go up with them. And then, but your, your intuition is telling you to get back away from their head.
And uh, well, I mean this big scary bull, so, like, first thing I did is get back. Well then, when he drops, if you're back, he's going to like whip you down and it's called getting jerked down. And it's the only time that I got jerked down. Cause every time after that I jerked the bull up. is what happened.
I'm just kidding, but he jerked me down, smashed my face and it didn't look like Ross's from that bareback ride. But for a 12 year old, it was pretty bad. I didn't, I wasn't wearing a helmet. So you went face to head, face to the top of his head.
Oh God, which would, it's like a brick.
I was, I would have been what's called hat down. And now, these days, like everybody, wears helmets, you know, like JB Mooney, good friend of mine. And me and him are two of the arguable goats, you know, and uh, anyhow, JB, he's one of the last ones, like he's Marlboro man and he's, he would go hat down. And but, like usually in a lineup, you'd see one or two guys doing that and everybody else is wearing a helmet these days. Yeah.
It seems like a helmet would be a good move.
Yeah, especially like I make all my interns like new guys. If you're an established bull rider and you show up at my house to get on a few, that's one thing. But if you're new, you're wearing a helmet every time.
I mean, it just seems like it could save a lot of people now.
For sure.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But is there a thing still, like a bravado, about being a no helmet rider?
There's just something to it. Damn.
It's just, it's gotta be like a motorcycle rider too, right?
I don't know. There's just something cowboy about it. Like. I hate to say that because, like kids out there that might be listening to this, like I think you need to wear a helmet, but like when JB Mooney is wearing, like, there's just something to that, like ride or die. Like this is, this is, it's just, damn, I don't know.
That's what I'm saying.
There's something to it.
Yeah.
I don't suggest it, but like when he, when he's got that Marlboro and like, I, don't even smoke and I don't think you should smoke, but when JB is smoking a cigarette and he puts that, he'll be in AT&T stadium and he puts that cigarette down and uh,
he's, that's, he's cowboy. That's a cowboy.
Show me a video of him riding. Okay.
There's a, yeah, there's, I mean, Bushwhacker, is obvious, is one of the greatest. Yeah. That's in Houston. There's a bow sheath fighting.
Does the audience appreciate it more when someone's just wearing that cowboy hat?
Yes. Kai Hamilton, on the shoots, he goes hat down all the time too.
That is so crazy. watching that thing kick and watching him stay on it. That is fucking nuts.
Yeah. He's. uh, there's a reason, people, there's probably some goat emojis on that. Yeah. Like, I saw a couple of them.
Yeah. People, yeah. G-O-A-T. Yeah. I mean, that's it.
He, just, so, in the PBR you can have, there's a point during the bull ride when you can pick your bull. It's called the draft and like they'll, they'll come certain times. There he is. Damn. I want to run something in the shoot right now.
This gets your blood going.
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. This is in Austin. I mean, obviously.
Look at him, go. That is crazy.
There's Weston. He was there when we first.
How many times do these guys get blown out knees, ankles?
He he's had too many surgeries to count, died on operating tables, like both shoulders done. He just broke his neck the other day and uh, that might've been the end of it for him. He did announce that, that he was done, but it took, and one of my buddies, Randy, was like, man, I'm sorry. It had to be like this. You had to go out like this, you know, breaking it.
And he said, man, this is what he was going to take.
What did he say? Break his neck? Like. what's the extension of the extent of the injury?
Like get to the hospital and they say, okay, lay right here and don't move till the surgeon gets here. Cause you could be paralyzed if you make a move.
Oh God.
If you make the wrong move. I've had two buddies this summer. go down like that. Another one is a bronc rider, Jacob's Crawley. Like they're like, do not move until a surgeon flies in and does this surgery.
And that was his back, but it was JB's neck. Scary.
That's scary shit.
And that, that's like, that's the worst of the worst kind of situation. You know what I mean?
But I'm not suggesting people go try this, like get on the other end of the arena, you know, do team roping, do some calf roping. Like, like, I don't know, like I just can't, I just have to be down here. It got in my blood and I can't get it out. And I'm, I'm going in for a surgery next week. for what my shoulder, but I've had two back surgeries.
I've had like six surgeries, like in the last five or six years, like it. just, I got to a point, I went several years with no injuries. And then all of a sudden, it kind of like in your youth, you, just like, you're just hitting the fence, you're hitting the ground, you're getting stepped on. And then all of a sudden, like once they start, I don't know, but I'm going to get my shoulder redone.
Is the shoulders from falling?
It's, it's dislocated five times. Oh yeah. Three of them were in the last few months. Jesus. From riding.
That was all from bucking horses.
And is it, are you getting the shoulder dislocated from hanging on or are you getting the shoulder dislocated from getting bucked off?
No, like the way I landed, like the first time it came out, like it was right before my back surgery. Cause I didn't realize I was hurt. And I kept bucking off, weird on bucking horses. And when I hit the ground, my elbow drove and it came out the front. And so, like there's, you kind of have a little bit of a socket that your shoulders in.
It's not like your hip, but, and so the bone broke off the front. And so now it's like, I was trying to turn a horse the other day. Like I just reached down, he was running off with me and I reached down to turn him and my shoulder came out. And so we just kept running off. Like it, it'll just get easier and easier at this point.
So that's when I got out of surgery.
What's the extent of the injury? What's going on in there? Ligament tears?
That bone that holds it in.
Oh, so it's broken off. Yes, sir. Also it has to be screwed back in place.
He'll take, there's another bone above that they can use and he'll graph it and he'll screw it down to essentially remake that socket.
Oh, God, damn dude.
But it, it's bad, but also, like I'm FaceTiming JV while he's in a neck brace, you know, like, it's like, I'm not going to complain. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I went to go visit Jacob's and he's, and he's like.
So this is the video of the break of his neck? Yeah.
Yeah. I haven't seen it.
It's not from super close up, but you can definitely see what happens here. It's not good.
So here he is.
Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, he landed neck first.
And then his, like, he ain't going to get pulled out of there by a stretcher. Like he's walking out. If his legs work, he's walking out, but he's hurting right there. Oh God. They told him he shouldn't have been able to walk out, but he didn't get jerked down there.
It was just the way he landed on the back of his neck. Like his vertebrae got like twisted in there. It like broke it and twisted it and somehow.
So did they have to fuse his neck? Yes. Oh God. Yeah.
Like maybe a couple of vertebrae.
Fused a couple of them.
It's serious. Like I said, try calf roping.
But I guess, once you do that, the thrill of it is probably very difficult to recreate anything else in life.
Yes, sir. When you were talking about that a while ago, with fighters, like. that's what I was envisioning. Like. what level of fight is there outside of getting on a bull, you know?
Same thing for, maybe like Tim Kennedy when he got back from Afghanistan.
Well, I didn't know. you guys call it bull fighting. This is interesting. Like, what is the difference between bull riding and bull fighting?
I'm sorry. I was talking while that video was playing. There's guys around the bull ride that are bull fighters and their role is to, when he gets bucked off, they go in and distract that bull. Right. So I think that was Nate.
Justice was fighting bulls there at that rodeo and he snuck in, got that bull's attention, so JB can get out.
And so you're basically goading the bull to attack you.
Correct. But you got on cleats and pads and you're, you know, yeah, that's Nate.
And uh, Oh, look how he fell.
And I think that's, that's either Nathan Harp or Cody Webster around to the right. Like. he's already getting that bull's attention. So like, and we're talking about like the best of the best bull fighters. So that JB's got no chance at getting hooked a second time.
Right.
Goddamn. The way he landed. That is crazy.
Yeah. Oh, there's certain ways you get thrown into the, into the air. That's like scary. That I've, the scariest moments are like when you're flying through the air and you can't, you can't control how you land. Right.
Another scary moment is when you get hung up. There's a bad hang up on my, on my Instagram. It was like two or three videos ago. Like when you get hung up by your hand, it's bad. But when you get hung up by your foot, it's, and this kid almost dies, like in my arena at my house.
But like, cause. then you can't do anything when you're on it. When you're hung up by your foot, by your hand, you're standing up. So your head's not under the bull.
Yeah, that's a Tyler Kips on a bull. we call prison Mike, good bull ride. Now he's about to get off.
And see his foot, see his foot is hung. So at first, like that's how you work a normal hang up when they're hung up by their hand. That's my brother right there, Leroy.
I don't know. That's not really protocol.
And then my brother comes in with a knife and cut, look at him dragging. At that point, he's out of harm's way because his head is so far away from that.
Right.
But you can see his foot.
Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh man.
So right there, like where he could like, if he went under that bull, that's where we're talking about. If you got stepped on, like he could, he could have just died. And I'd been in that situation. So when I saw him in it, like, it, was like, okay, he's either going to die here or we got to get him out. Like one of the two, we either get him out or he dies.
Right.
And anyway, Tim commented on it, but it's a, and that kind of stuff, it's can happen really with any, there's accidents that can happen with horses or bulls outside of rough stock. Like you could just have a horse buck with you out in the pasture and little things like that. They're more rare. But when you go to rough stock, like riding bucking bulls and bucking horses, you kind.
of ask for that, but it's such a strange subculture that most people aren't aware of.
It's a niche. Yeah.
But it's a very passionate niche and the people that are involved in it, man, it is everything to them. I think a lot of people, their eyes got open to it a little bit from Yellowstone, from that series.
Yeah. Taylor, Sheridan. He's amazing. He's the man.
He's the man. Yeah. He's a cool dude.
He is.
You know, he owns that four sixes ranch in Texas, it's 270,000 acres.
I'm supposed to be there right now.
Oh, really? Yeah. You going there after this?
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