You Have To Change Your Habits To Change Your Life
2024-07-05 01:57:56
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Hi guys, how are you today? Better than we deserve? what's up in your world? Oh, I'm trying to get there on.
your level. I am calling today to ask you guys kind of what you think my next steps might be. I've gotten myself into quite the mess. I have followed all of the rules of never opening a credit card in my life. I'm 27 and I've made it this far without one, and I've kind of gotten to a point where I am desperate enough that I am.
I have been riding the line of wanting to open one this week because of all of my debt problems that I'm having. Yeah, debt problems are always solved by more debt. what do you mean?
So I've kind of gotten myself into predicament with bills that are owed and my shovel is not nearly big enough and I feel like I'm running myself into the ground trying to do side hustles. and I just graduated in June and started as a hairstylist, and the money is just not there like I thought it was going to be. and I know you kind of have to get clientele and build up your marketing and all that stuff. and after I signed my apartment lease, I found out that I was pregnant. so I'm six months into that journey now and I have bitten off way more than I can chew, as far as what I can afford.
Okay,
what does your husband make? I'm not married. Oh, okay, where is the father in?
the picture?
Financially not. he is excited about the baby and all that good stuff, but financially not contributing at all.
Well, I guess I'll.
just start there. he really doesn't have that option, morally or legally. if you father a child in the United States of America, you get to pay child support. that's how that works. so sorry, Bubba, you're gonna.
you get to step up and participate in the financial side of the equation. Why does he not work, or is he?
just a twerp?
I would you know it's more of. I think. I think it's more of a laziness problem if I'm speaking from my own, from my own perspective. So you have.
an apartment rent. you're not making any money. are you behind on your apartment?
rent? Yes. How far? At the moment, 15 days, and they're wanting to file eviction.
paperwork today. After 15 days, pretty hard. Okay, it's your first time missing a.
payment?
Yes, it is, and that's, I think, why I'm in panic mode. You mean you've.
never been late and after 15 days they're filing eviction? Correct yep and.
they said that that's just their policy. I guess I don't really know how to fight.
that part of it. Yeah, it may take four months or something in Indianapolis, I don't know. that may be why they go ahead and get started. I don't know what the law is there. but um, you need to find that out.
okay, because fear of the unknown is more fearful than fear of the known. so you need to find out what the law is in the area, how long it's going to take them to evict you and what the what you can do to make that right. How much is your apartment rent?
It is $1,500.
a month. Okay, and what are you making with hair?
Just with hair, is probably about $1,200 a month. What about other side hustles? Side hustles included? I've been able to pull about $2,500.. Okay, and you didn't pay your rent.
what did you pay instead?
I have a car payment that I pay monthly. How much is it? It is $250.. Is it current? No, it is not.
So you didn't pay it either. What did you pay? So I have paid my Wi-Fi bills, my electricity, all of my utilities are up-to-date. You.
made $3,700. where did it go? I mean I understand $500 of that may be going.
towards those basic bills. Oh, no, no, no, the total of all of my income is $2,500 a.
month. Oh, okay, so you make $1,300 with the side hustles. Correct. Got it. That's still a.
big chunk of change that is unexplained.
Yes, and I think part of it is probably the trade-off with some of those side hustles. so I've been doing a lot of things with my car. so here in the last 30 days is really when it has absolutely crashed, and I think this is kind of just a rough patch for me because I've been able to keep up, but here in the last 30 days it's just been kind of a disaster.
and I've fallen behind in the last 30 days. Okay, here's the thing. you have to find a way to make actual money net of expenses. so driving your car around with door dash and making no net profit on the door dashing doesn't make sense. if that's what's happening after you pay your car expenses right like gas, okay, so you might be better off doing something else, but $1,300 on side hustles, tells me.
you're not working much.
You know, I feel like I am not really sure how the money turnaround isn't working out. I am constantly working as far as those side hustles go. definitely I know things have flipped as far as building my hair business and trying to get clients in through the door with that, and I've heard that this is a slow season for that anyway, because it's been back to school. but. How many hours are you cutting hair?
I would say probably about
30 hours a week. Yeah, and you're working about another 20 hours a week, so you've got another 20 hours. you need to be working a week. that's what I'm talking about. Okay.
Except for the part that you're six months pregnant, which makes us very difficult. I do realize that, but we've got to change, like you mentioned, the shovel equation. then the second equation we have to change is the prioritization. okay, the first thing you buy is food. the second thing you buy is lights and water.
the third thing you buy is rent. the fourth thing you buy is car payment. so you make enough right now to. I don't know what you're netting on that side hustle, but you make enough gross coming in to have been current with everything if you had it properly prioritized. do you follow me?
yes, okay. so what we've got to do in this crisis situation is we have to figure out where we can come up with $1,500, the fastest, from all sources and new sources, what we can sell and what you can go do from there. how old are you 27? okay, well, Kathy, it sounds like you're alone and pregnant and scared. you're putting on a pretty chipper face, but if I were in your shoes, I can imagine the terror I'd be feeling.
so here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna set up a Ramsey coach to help you as my gift because I've been 27 and scared and I know how it feels and tell Bubba if he's gonna make a baby, he gets to pay. that's how this crap works this.
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Yolanda's with us in Atlanta. hi, Yolanda, how are you good, Dave? how are you better than I deserve what's up?
well, I am calling because I have a life estate, or my mom has a life estate and I am the we Nanderman is what it's called, I guess when I looked it up and yes, the remainder men and I got concerned because I've heard you talk many times when people call in about having property wheeled or whatever to them prior to the person death and the in the tax ramifications that that involves you.
got it. that's what's going on. you're now the owner of the property. well, my mom is still. no, no, no, you're the owner of the property.
she has rights to stay in the property as long as she's alive. that's a life estate, okay, but it's.
already dated to you. can should I reverse it? can I reverse it? how long has been going on? I think it occurred in 20, I want to say 2018.
I'm not sure. I think it was who did it that my mom did it. I know my mom with an attorney or, yes, with.
an attorney, I would check your tax pro and ask them and check an attorney and see, I don't know, since it's been sitting there so long, if you can reverse that or not. if you did last month, you could just flip the paperwork back over and I wouldn't think anything about it. but it's been sitting there for three or four years now, five years now, and I don't know honestly, and I would make sure I had Georgia law, which is what's going to apply here. is, I assume that's where. where's the house?
Florida? Oh, Florida law. oh, Florida's got some wicked, weird real estate laws Florida, Texas, California in the column of weird real estate laws, and so they're actually weird. good, most of the time, but not always, and because it's an income tax free state, there's no state income tax there. so yeah, so check out.
yeah, I think I'd talk to a tax pro, talk to an attorney, and if you can undo it, I think if you run the calculation on it, you're going to see that it's going to benefit you to undo it. because, basically, when you sell the house after her death, you're going to be paying capital gains on everything over what she paid for it. oh no, because the house was gifted to you. you got her basis for tax purposes. double-check my tax advice, because I'm not always right, but on this one I'm right.
okay, let me ask you one other.
question, if you have time. mm-hmm. should I go back to the attorney who set it up?
would that be death? after you've talked to a tax pro and you're armed with knowledge, okay, because otherwise he or she may give you the arrogant attorney answer like I'm never wrong because I have a law degree, which, of course, we all know is absolute horsecrap. I agree with you here. yeah, so go ahead, yeah, in other words, you need to go back to this attorney after you talk to tax pro and go look, you're gonna cost me with this an extra forty fifty thousand bucks in.
taxes. what's the property worth? by the way, the property is worth 347, and when my mom bought the house and my mom and dad had the house bill, the house was.
built for 40 K. so you got a 300 K gain. give or take upon her death, and that is a gain you would not have to pay taxes on. if she willed it to you, now that it's already in your name, you're probably going to have to pay if I got my. if I got my answer right here, as a remainder, I'm almost positive.
this is true. so three, 15, so $50,000. swing, you're gonna pay 50 grand in taxes because they screwed up. so yeah, I'm gonna go talk to my tax pro. verify that.
Dave is not crazy. okay, which is possible, but it's possible. I'm crazy. it's also possible. I'm wrong, but you know this is going downhill fast, George, but well, it's like going a.
whole life salesman going. I want to undo this policy. they're gonna try to talk.
you out of it most likely. so that's why you go. look, because of this, my basis is gonna be this and I'm gonna have to pay taxes of 46,000 bucks because you did this. instead. she could have just stayed in her own stinking house and left it to me in the will, and I wouldn't had to pay these taxes.
because you get it. you get what's called a stepped up basis upon her death. your basis becomes what the value of the house is at market value at the time of the house at time of death. so if she dies and the house is worth 360, you sell it for 360. you have zero gain.
you put a hundred percent of those dollars in your pocket. the way it is now, you're gonna pay taxes on everything over what she paid for it, or about $300,000 gain. so it's just. it's just dumb, but yeah, but double check all of that and if it's true, then talk to this attorney about undoing it. he or she doesn't want to undo it.
I'm talking to another attorney about undoing it. if I can pull that off five years into this deal in Georgia I don't know if you can or not you may be stuck. I hope I'm not in Florida. it's not the end of the world, it's not the end of Florida. I keep saying Georgia, but yeah, you're in Georgia, she's.
yeah, I'm in Georgia. yes, I'll get my story straight eventually, so
a lot of people do life estates because they're trying to avoid probate. is that?
the main reason yes, or they just don't know the basics of this basic tax thing we're talking about here, and it's a very basic. it's not a if it's. if it's more than basic about taxes, I don't know it, because I don't know anything about taxes. there's about four or five tax things I know. this just falls into the heading and one of them I know, and it's because I've run into it on different things lots of times over the years.
but yeah, and it's just kind of it's like I call it street law, where someone says, yeah, we're just gonna give Bubba the house while I'm still alive, that way sister won't get it. you know that kind of crap. and this is the. that's just street law and it's street law, meaning you think you can just do whatever the flip you want. there's no tax implications to it.
you can give Bubba the house, but there's gift tax implications and or capital gains implications when you give Bubba the house or in this case not Bubba but Yolanda, but yeah. but I mean it's and sometimes people do that to keep, it's not as much in a state planning thing. it's they somehow get in their head that the government's going to get more if they let it happen through a will and the government gets less if you let it happen through a will, even if it's a probates, even if it's a state where the probate tax is a little high, yeah.
probably cheaper than that tax implication yes, less than capital gains.
tax, but there's not. I don't think there's a state that has a higher probate than capital gains. so it's more about control and lack of legal and tax knowledge usually than it is some kind of sophisticated argument that that you're there but you can. I mean you can use a life estate if you want to. it's okay, especially if you're not planning on selling the property like if it's a family farm and you were going to pass it down 100%.
it's going to be generational. we're just not going to be selling it then. sure you know, that's fine. you go ahead and do a life estate and the next generation keeps farming it and the, the old people, get to stay in the farmhouse, you know. and for life estate, that kind of stuff that's lots of people do that.
there's nothing wrong with that at all. but but again it's in Yolanda's case. it's handcuffed her big time as to what she can do with this property someday, when God forbid her.
mother passes, but we're all gonna pass. so was there a right way to do it? would you say, if you want to do it, do a trust, if you want to avoid probate, is there a?
better scenario for that? I'd really I would not make avoiding probate my primary goal in life, because all probate is is the court system that executes the will, and so if you leave a will, the will is probated, meaning that the probate court enforces the will. that's all it means. now some tax. some states have higher taxes on the size of the estate, and if you can avoid probate with a trust or with some other mechanisms, you're moving it outside of that probate tax.
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thanks for joining us, America. this is the Ramsey show. George Campbell, Ramsey personality, is my co-host today. Joshua's in Seattle. hi, Joshua, welcome to the show.
hey there, how y'all doing better than we deserve, sir.
what's up. so I am a 30 year old single dad. just got divorced earlier this year and I'm in about $38,000 worth of debt of my own. I feel like I'm living paycheck to paycheck and I don't know where to start to just get out of this. I've reached an emotional point where I'm done.
I've had enough. I know I need to set up a budget, but I'm not sure how or anything like that or what the first.
step would be. I'm so sorry about your situation, Joshua. how long ago was the divorce? when was it finalized? it was finalized in January, okay, and coming out.
of this. what kind of debt is that? $38,000. so it is personal loans I took out a while ago and credit card debt. okay, what's your income?
$65,000. okay, what do you do for work? I'm a plumber. cool, how old are the kids? six and three.
you're a full-time custody. I have 50% custody. well, we can definitely help you.
and we'll give you some resources as well to with this process. number one getting on a budget. you're right, that is the key, and it's a difficult thing to do, and part of this you might need to deal with the kind of the trauma on the emotional side. to just get you know. you got the wind knocked out of you and so part of it is you get back up and going.
how am I gonna move forward with this new life, and what does this look like? and once we do that, then we can focus on the finances. but it feels like you're just treading water. are you able to cover your bills every month? put food on the table.
I'm able to cover my bills.
every month I can somewhat put food on the table. I've got friends and an adopted family around that. they helped me out quite a bit with making sure that I'm fed and the kids are fed. that's good. that's what we want you to cover first.
everything else can wait. and if that means talking to the creditors, the credit card companies, the lenders and saying, hey, here's my situation, here's what I can do right now. that's okay. how much do you own your car? I own my car.
outright. how much is your rent? so I actually have a mortgage and it comes out to two thousand a month, and your take-home pay is what. so my take-home pay is right, around 4,500 a month. but then I also get disability from the Navy and that comes out to 1,500 a month.
okay, so you're bringing home 6,000. yeah, right.
right at it. your house payments awful high, but it's 33% of your time. you have a, and that's that's left over. yeah, that wasn't what you signed up for. that's left over from the divorce, but that's part of what's tanking your monthly budget.
so yeah, getting on a written plan will make you feel like you've gotten a raise getting on the budget and right. so that's gonna be very important. but if we take your $6,000 put at the top of the page and we take food out first and we take lights and water out second and we take house payment out third, your truck is paid for. so you just got to put gas and insurance on it. that's it.
and you know you've got some money here. you shouldn't be like begging food off of friends. you're just disorganized. you're just disorganized and have the crap beat out of because it's been a hard year, but you've got. mathematically, you're okay.
you can. you can work through this. obviously you need to cut up the credit cards and stop the borrowing. you can't. you can't dig it.
you know you can't dig your way out of a hole. you got a. you know you can't just keep get out of a hole while you're digging out the bottom. you can't just keep digging. so no more debt, chop them up, get on a written plan, take care of food first, lights and water second, house third.
then you've got money left. out of that I mean there's right two, three thousand bucks laying there to do some stuff with, and we can begin to work on this. and then the other thing too is on the days you don't have the kids. I'd pick up extra time as a plumber. you can make some serious money in overtime or side jobs.
one of the two right. and you know, an extra thousand bucks a month on this debt makes it go away a lot faster. okay, yeah, that's a short-term fix, but it's a short-term problem if we get.
after it. so do you have any cash right now? anything in savings? I got about a hundred dollars, mm-hmm. so, step one we've got to get a buffer between you and life, and that's going to be a starter emergency fund of $1,000, and we're going to get that as quickly as possible.
we're talking a few weeks here. then we're going to move on to the debt snowball, which is where we pay off all the debt, smallest to largest, regardless of the interest rate. we're going to walk you through this in Financial Peace University. that's going to be our gift to you. nine videos in there also with that, every dollar that'll help you create this budget.
income, minus expenses should equal zero a zero base budget. every dollar should have a job and you're going to get to work and over the next 18 to 24 months you're going to bust it to get to a place where these kids see your sacrifice and you can put food on the table without having to.
worry about anyone else. yeah, less than one month I want a thousand dollars. less than a month later, I went through these credit cards gone, and so you're gonna list them smallest, largest. you're gonna knock off the little ones first and get some momentum, like George is talking about. hang on, we'll get you signed up, Austin, get you signed up for Financial Peace University.
which end of the class or where you're learning how to handle money? and this all goes in your rear view mirror, then, and this is the year of life change for you. so some of it bad, some of it good, and we're here to walk with you. so hang on, Austin, I'll pick up. Joseph is with us.
Joseph is in Salt Lake City. hi, Joseph, how are you? I'm doing.
pretty good. how about yourself better than I deserve? how can we help? so I'm 21 years old. I just came back from a summer of selling pest control and I and I made a hundred and seventeen thousand dollars.
I, I don't have. I didn't pay for myself to go to college, I don't have any car debt, I don't have any mortgage or anything like that, and I was just wondering what your best advice would be going forward. I read Dave Ramsey going growing up. my parents have been helping me through it and I've got an emergency fund set aside for ten grand, and I mean I could start going into investments like Roth IRAs or, I don't know, trying to like save for a house. you know, save for a house, so I can just buy it after college.
what would you recommend I do at this point in my life? so is this your?
long-term plan. do you want to stay in pest control? do you enjoy it? um, I mean.
I'll probably do it for the next five years. but you said you're going to college and I read yeah, I'm going to college right now. I currently go every fall and winter. it's 10k total for that and I pay for myself to go to college. during the summertime.
I go sell pest control. so I'll probably do that for five years until I graduate, and then I'll just get some kind of job. I'll probably go into business management degree or something like that. what it? what are you studying in college?
I'm studying business management currently.
okay, did you want to be an entrepreneur and run your own business? yeah, that was.
always the dream to do, but you know, just life beats down sometimes. so going to college right now, because I know that's a very good thing to do at my age and I can always have that as a fallback. but yeah, definitely I would go ahead and.
finish that degree as fast as possible, and you've got. how much did you have?
saved out of this hundred grand. so I have a hundred and seventeen grand is what I came back with. okay, after taxes it'll probably be about 88 grand. I'm gonna pay my tithing on that. got my emergency fund in the two semesters and and I bought a car in cash, because you know I needed a car our stuff.
what did you buy? how much you spent on the car? it was nine grand. I got a 2007 Ford.
Mustang, perfect, love it, very good, all right. so yeah, all I'm gonna do is what cash is left after all the different things you listed out there. I'm just gonna stack cash. it's college insurance plan, it's ensuring that you go through college after that. it's ensuring that you go through college.
you don't need to start Roth IRAs, you don't need to start a house fund. you need to go through college debt-free, and you've got this lined up. so you pay your taxes, you pay your tithe, you pay for the car, you set your emergency fund aside and then you stack cash and if you graduate from college with 50 or 60 grand in that account, then we can talk about starting to invest then, or buying a home. then just take it easy man. you're just a go-getter.
so far ahead of the game. you're a go-getter man. you're a hustler. it's good hustle and grind man. you're doing great big piles of cash.
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thanks for joining us everybody. Tracy is next up in Lynchburg, Virginia. hi, Tracy.
how are you? Oh, Dave and George, I'm so excited to be here, and only by the grace of God I am better than I deserve. Good for you. how can we help? Okay so I had my.
I had it moment back in August. since then, I've paid off $15,000. I'm still $70,000 in debt. I make $90,000. I'm 51 years old and I've been divorced for a year and a half.
I work at a company. I've been with them for it was, it was an amicable split. it was the best thing for both of us and God has seen us both through. so I'm very grateful for having a good relationship with him ending this, but it was what we needed to do. so I worked for a company.
I'm still working for a company for 30 years. back in 2009, they froze their pension and we got a notice back in September that they are actually terminating the pension, which will take place next year. we don't get a benefits report until March, but I know that we have three options that we have to make a decision for in July. one would be a lump sum distribution, the second is to roll it over and the third is to start monthly annuity payments. at that time I have Googled this till I am my.
eyeballs want to pop out of my head. there's only four thousand answers on.
Google. I'm sure I know and I cannot get a clear answer, and I know that, and I'm uncertain. I'm sure there's going to be penalty. no, there's not. no, you're gonna.
roll it. you're gonna roll it to an IRA zero penalties. you're gonna take the lump sum and put it into an IRA. get with a smart investor pro. they'll help you do the paperwork properly.
it's a direct transfer rollover. there's no penalties, there's no taxes and it will grow from that point. tax deferred. you're going to use a traditional IRA that way, there's no taxes. if you roll it to a Roth, it's taxable.
but don't do that and don't, okay? that was another question. you don't want to make it because it'll be taxable. then you make all of that income because it's gonna be a sizable lump sum. you've been there a while.
I've been there a while.
and I was there 17 years when they froze it. yeah, but I mean you're gonna have.
it's gonna be. it's gonna be a hundred grand plus in it, isn't it okay, so you?
wouldn't? you would not take the lump sum. no, you're gonna get taxed it, you're.
gonna get taxed and taxed and penalties? yeah, no, you know, taxed, at least taxed. I'm not sure if they close it. if you're penalized, I'm not positive off the top of my head, doesn't matter. you're not gonna do that.
you're gonna do a traditional IRA direct transfer rollover with your smart investor pro in the four types of mutual funds. we talked about growth, growth and income, aggressive growth and international, and, by the way, this is great news. it is, I'm so excited.
I've listened to you forever and, like I said, a fire got lit under me back in August and I'm like I make too much money on my own to be drowning like this and I'm taking charge. and when that came in the mail I knew I knew it was the Lord saying this is good news. so I have a 401k at work. it's traditional one and I have $300,000 in there currently. do I put that in that one, or do I know in a?
separate one. no, it's not. you cannot add it to a 401k. that's not an option you can. okay, yeah, I would just roll it to an IRA with a smart investor pro.
you pick the mutual funds. you're in total control. this money is leaving this company and will have nothing to do with them. ever again, when you die, that money is laying there. in the meantime, it is earning more than it would have made in the pension, and so it's good news all the way around, but just just if you don't have a smart investor pro.
go to Ramsey solutions.
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the one that best suits you. yes, a lot of people call in with pension questions, Dave, and if you have the option, let's say a listeners going. I started a new job. they're giving me the option of a pension or 401k. we would say go for the 401k, because you have way more control over it and it stays with you usually.
and that's assuming that they are putting something into the 401k, since they don't have to put something into the pension. if they give you that option, usually they're doing some kind of really sweet match in the 401k and the company would rather you go to the 401k. it's better for both of you yeah, the company and them because the company doesn't have to keep up and manage your investments. your 401k is your own investment. so that's a good point, George.
very good point. Ryan is in Baltimore. hey, Ryan, welcome to the Ramsey. show how you.
doing guys better than we deserve. what's up? so I got a couple questions for you. my wife and I've been married for two years and we'll be out of consumer debt and but in the February we don't have a house. we're currently renting right now for my grandmother.
so once we're done paying off the rest of our debt, we'll obviously be saving up for a down payment on our house. once we're out of debt and we're done throwing everything extra towards that, we'll probably be making $5,000 a month after I'm on the expenses. so while we're doing that, should we be putting that five thousand roughly into mutual funds or just putting it into savings? and right now we're also investing about 500 a month into two retirement accounts as well 500 total, 250 each. okay, Ryan, how long you been listening to the show for consistently about the last month and a half?
I took Dave Ramsey's class in high school when I was in school, so I've been kind of like on and off with Dave Ramsey for a while now. cool, well you're, you're.
doing some good things, you're just doing them all at once and not in the right order. so if you're walking through the baby steps, you should be putting all of your effort, every single penny of margin, towards the debt, which means we're not investing currently. and there was a spot in between. you said hey, once we're debt-free, we're gonna get the down payment, but you were missing the fully funded emergency fund. see, do you currently have savings for the for the?
emergency. so technically right now we do, but I'm kind of not walking through the baby steps originally, like we've got about 16,000 sitting in savings, where she's gonna pay off the car totally will still have like two or three thousand left after that. I'm sorry. how much do you have? it's about 26,000.
and what's in?
savings 16 16 savings 16. so if you took that down to one, that would leave you.
with 15, you could throw it this debt. yep, that's what we plan on doing today.
today. yes, yeah, okay, I was. maybe step one's a thousand. baby step two is pay off all of your debts once all of your debts are paid off. baby step three is build an emergency fund.
so you go back to that $1,000 account and you raise it up to a fully funded emergency fund of three to six months of expenses. then you start saving for the down payment on your home. until then you don't restart your retirement plan, which you stop today. okay, because I want that $500 added to that 5,000 and make it 6,000. because you tighten up the budget, because I want and that means your debt free in two months.
and then then you build your emergency fund. let's call that 15,000 and three more months. then you I'm making that up, but that's if that's what it is and then, in three more months, you've got it starting to have five, four more months. you're starting to have a good down payment. this time next year you start shopping for houses and you'll have a good down payment with a fully funded emergency fund and no debt, and you restart your retirement at that point.
and the reason for all this is not.
because we're trying to be legalistic, Ryan, not because Dave said so, but because it actually freaking works when you do it in this order, with intensity, with focus, and we've seen so many people do it the right way and we've seen a lot do it the wrong way and six months later, they're calling us saying your plan didn't work and we're going. you didn't do our plan. you did your plan, that your.
version of our plans, which is not our planet. don't go, don't do, don't be Dave.
ish, which is what we call it. go all in on this stuff and I promise you, you're gonna call us back and say I did it. I paid off all the debt. we got our home. now we have a fully funded emergency fund.
we're investing for the future. man, it gives you such peace and confidence. this has nothing to do with it being the.
Ramsey way or Ramsey ish. it has to do with what is the fastest, right way to become wealthy, what is the most efficient use that moves you along the process? the fastest and the easiest. and that's what this system is, and we've used it for so many years that we've proven that that's the case. and so, yeah, total focus on baby steps.
one, two, three, two. you get there, then do your down payment, then restart your emergency fund and you'll be in a really good shape. so well done, well done, this is the Ramsey show.
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all right Courtney's with us. Courtney is in Colorado Springs. hi, Courtney, welcome to the Ramsey show. hi, thank you so much for.
having me sure what's up. my question is how do I protect, or how does my husband and I protect our finances against his money-hungry ex-wife? money-hungry ex-wife.
why would you have any access to your finances? she's called the ex-wife for a.
reason. um, basically our main concern is if you pull more child support when she.
finds out that you've been married. I'm sorry. would she get child support increased because he got a raise? is that what you said? um, because we got married, could she?
she doesn't get more child support because you got married. child support is based on his income, not yours, gotcha, okay. so how else would the crazy ex have access to your husband's money? that was the only way I was.
thinking. I heard that they do yearly audit. they do someone. they do because
your husband. your husband has children and he should support those children, and the law agrees with that idea. correct, and if he gets more money as his income, he's supposed to give more to his children. that's, that's not a money hungry ex. that's just dad taking care of his kids.
right? she contacted him, is she?
making threats, or is this just all kind of in your head right now, of what could?
happen. um, she hasn't contacted him. I guess this is me trying to make sure we.
protect ourselves. okay, well, you're in good shape. as long as your husband is willing to give the legal percentage of his income to his children under the law for child support, which even legally and morally should do. if you, if you want protection from that, I can't help you. but as long as he's willing to do that, you don't need protection from anything else.
she can't get anything else, she has no access. and or if your husband is spineless and just gives her money because she yells at him or something, I mean, is he got that problem? um, no, she's not okay, so he's not. he doesn't just hand her money, just cuz she puffs up or something right, correct, okay, that's just a behavior issue. that's not a legal or a financial issue.
but yeah, I mean sometimes people are intimidated by their exes or whatever, and we have to just kind of correct that by saying, you know, X in front is a reason. yes, X means no more, no more, what that means we're.
making sure the courts decide how this goes down, not his emotions or her, and so that that's the important part, it sounds like this is largely right now just a.
fear versus a reality. yeah, like you have discovered that no one likes your husband's ex. oh well, that's really you know. you know she's a greedy jerk. okay, whatever, that's fine, no trouble, but she's still over there and she's the ex, and the only involvement you have is just around the children, and so we'll try to be nice and pleasant and give the appropriate amount of child support.
as long as you're trying to do that, then I don't think you're gonna have any issues. there's nothing. nothing she can. just you know. or unless she shows up at the doorstep and your husband just caves and starts handing her money, but that's a husband issue, that's not a protection issue, then yeah, this was simpler than I.
thought it'd be. I thought there was some crazy stuff going on, but it's just child support, as far as we can tell. yeah, so very reasonable. well, there's a real.
dynamic. when you're the new wife and the ex is over there in the distance crazy, mm-hmm, there's still a connection. that's a dynamic. yeah, those kids are still.
gonna be in his life, so you have to learn to manage it, yeah, and so it's a.
thing. questions in Missouri. hi, Christian, how are you hello? I'm good.
good, how can we help? I joined the Navy and I'm leaving for boot camp in June. they cover most of your expenses, and so I have most of my five foundations covered. after I get my $500 emergency fund set up, am I ready to start going to step five because I paid cash for my car. they pay for college and I don't have any daily expenses that most civilians have to pay for.
what should I do with the $2,000 paycheck I get? yeah, so you're 18. yes, sir, thank you for.
serving your country, sir, and thanks for going through the personal finance curriculum. I can tell by the way you're talking, it stuck with you. you went to.
that in high school, didn't you? I'm actually still in it. I'm graduating in May and I'm taking it this year. oh wow, fantastic. so boot camp is.
immediately after graduation. huh, yes, sir, Wow, look at you. okay, well, we will graduate you from the high school curriculum to the adult curriculum, which will mean you start with a fully funded emergency fund, which is three to six months of expenses. you're making $2,000 a month. most things are furnished.
so we might call that emergency fund $5,000, not 500. 500 is for high school students. yes, sir, okay, but now you're. you're gonna leave high school and enter the land of grown-ups. so we're gonna put you on a grown-up plan, and that's gonna be a right.
so your first goal is gonna be a $5,000 emergency when you have no debt.
right, correct, okay, you paid cash for the car and so, beyond the emergency fund, you can begin investing with earned income and maybe fully fund a Roth IRA, and there's probably some retirement options through the Navy, I imagine. okay, maybe a.
TSP question is. in this curriculum we learn everything interest rates based on a 12% interest rate for compound interest. how do I actually get that good?
of an interest rate. look at your TSP in the Navy. it's the thrift savings plan. they have a Roth version. you'll do that if you look at the C plan, in that it's north of 11%, it's not quite 12 right now.
average at the C plan. the C plan, it's the common stock plan. okay, I wouldn't put it all in there. I would put some in the S and in the I. the I is international.
s is small-cap. C is common stock. those three, and I'd probably put 80% in the C and 10 in the S and 10 in the I. and that's your retirement plan, Roth thrift savings plan, the TSP with the military. okay, okay, and when you leave the military you can roll.
that out to an IRA. if you want to, okay, how much would you recommend me putting?
in that retirement fund, 15% of your income after you have your $5,000 set aside. okay, you're very wise. to get ahead of this, Christian. I want you to continue all the way through boot camp to give, to make sure you are writing down each month before the month begins, where every dollar goes, because there's a lot of really stupid stuff. 18 year olds in the military do with money, and I don't want you doing any of that.
a lot of crazy crap out there, son. so just be careful, continue to be calm and wise, like you are right now, and you're gonna.
do really well. you'll be so wealthy, my friend. thank you again for your service.
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George Campbell Ramsey personality is my co-host today. open phones at triple eight, eight, two, five, five, two, two, five. I was just telling George a story in Austin. you need to hear this too. in 2012.
I took a call here on the air from a guy who had a side hustle and he said I love my side hustle more than I like my job. when can I quit my job and do the side hustle? I want to double down. my parents say I'm crazy for doubling down. my wife says I'm half crazy for quitting my job.
he was a pharmacist, so he'd spent a lot of money and a lot of time getting to be a pharmacist. and he said I want to quit pharmacy. I want to go into this whole other side of things in the gun industry and I'm like, okay, so I'm a gun guy. so I'm talking to him and listening to him, I'm like, yeah, that's pretty cool. so I said how much do you make?
and he said I made 65,000 on my side hustle. how much you make as a pharmacist this year? this is 2012. he said 60,000. well, double down.
I'm on your team. I if I would advise your wife that you should go after this. it's what you love. it's your passion. I would advise your mom and dad that they're very sweet, but they're wrong and that you should go after this.
so a couple weeks ago I was out west and I visited the guys business. he did 70 million last year. that hurts my brain, Wow, and he acts like I did it and I'm like I didn't do anything. I talked to you for five minutes. you've worked for oh, you know what.
11, 12 years on your business. you built your business. I didn't build your business. I'm so proud of you, though I'll take credit for lighting a fire, but dude you, you burned the forest down, man, way to go, way to go, man. that's pretty cool.
we don't always get to hear the. the other follow-up, 11 years later, to taking some of you guys calls out here. so some of y'all like tell us if we.
screwed it up 12 years later or whatever. yeah, goodness, pretty good for him, pretty.
cool. I'm impressed with him, sharp young guy to. obviously Todd is in Fort Wayne.
hey, Todd, welcome to the Ramsey show. hey, Dave, thanks for taking my call. sure, what's up? got a quick question for you. back in 2009, 2010, when there's a big recession that we all heard about, my business went in pretty deep and since then I paid back everybody I can and taking care of all that.
but I've got one credit card that went after me in in 2002 collections and took me to small I guess you call it small claims court. so I seen that I got a letter for a judgment against me, but at that time I was still trying to get my head above water. how long ago was the judgment? it was 2015, August of 2008 years ago. okay, was the first one?
yes, the first one, yeah, the amount was about, I know, two, three thousand dollars, but of course, with all their fees, that judgment was for 8,000 round numbers and anyway, I just got another certified letter today. I didn't know how to for sure how to contact these guys. I just knew it was out there, but they've added 2,000 to it anyway. it says they have 14 days to congest. I'm assuming a court hearing.
I didn't know the first time I could do.
that, but I don't think they, I don't think they get to have a court hearing on this one. okay, because it's gone too long. yeah, so let's do a little. let's learn a couple things here. number one you owe these people some money and you're not disputing.
that agreed, yes, yes, and the original balance was what I.
don't know for sure. it was like 3,000 or something with their fee, the original.
I'm talking about fees. I'm talking about what you actually owe them. oh the first.
one was $79.
97, so $8,000. no, no, no, no, no, that was with the fees. okay, when you had.
a credit card before it went to collections. the balance on the credit card was $3,000, wasn't it? yeah? somewhere around there, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. okay, so here's the thing.
if they said they've added more, another 2,000, so it's not $10,000 right? yes, okay, there's a whole industry out there that most people don't even know is out there, called debt buyers, and they buy old bad.
probably uncollectible debt. probably uncollectible because the person has already filed bankruptcy and they don't get anything. but they still will buy the debt, sometimes not knowing that, or the debt has gone too long and it's past the statute of limitations in that county or that city, or that town or that state, and so it's not collectible, which I think is probably the case with yours. anyway, they probably get zero technically, legally, but they buy old bad debt. now let me tell you what they pay for it a nickel on the dollar, maybe less.
yeah. so this guy calling you or certified lettering you is that with a $10,000 bill, likely has 250 to $500 invested in your account.
okay, that's good information. if you're going to call him and offer him 3,000 bucks, yeah, yeah, I want to do right by this debt. I'm willing to pay $3,000. that's all I'm willing to pay. if you want one dollar more, I'm going to give that to a lawyer and I'm gonna fight you to the death, because I don't think you can collect this at all because it's gone too long.
so this is a case this.
letter from the our County Courthouse or court. does that make a difference?
nope, it's not. the court didn't buy the debt. some duper bought the debt. okay, so the dupers brought you to the County Courthouse. you got a is a duper's name.
on there. yeah, the collection agency, and there's a lawyer name on it, the lawyers.
who you call. call the lawyer. okay, cuz here's the deal. they are not in the business. this is not like if I owed you money and you were pissed and got a lawyer and sued me.
okay, this is a conveyor belt at a factory and it's the junkyard. it's not even a factory. it's a conveyor belt at the junkyard and they're running like 9,000 parts a minute down the conveyor belt and you're one tiny little part. okay, all right, let me give you another example, just for fun. okay, a couple of Christmases ago I decided to take advantage of this knowledge to do a fun charitable thing for our team.
we bought eight thousand accounts from a debt buyer totaling ten million dollars worth of debt. our purpose in buying it was we were going to call all eight thousand people. we have a thousand employees, so each of them got to call eight people and tell them their debt is forgiven in Jesus name for Christmas. so we bought ten million dollars worth of debt to do that for two hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars. two and a half cents on the dollar.
yeah, that's amazing. yeah. so I'm telling you this is how this works, so that that's who you're dealing with. you're one of eight thousand in a package. only you didn't.
the package wasn't bought by me, so you got to go deal with the people, but it's still. I had eight thousand people that were in this one package for two and a half cents on two point five, nine cents on the dollar. all right, and that that's how this, that's how this industry works, man. so the and what do they want? they want more than they've got in it, because this is a business for them, not a charitable event.
so they got 250 or 500. grant $500 in your deal. you offer them 3,000 and you stand firm and argue with them about 30 times. they're going to take it. get it in writing.
do not give them electronic access to your checking account. those two things are very important, okay. so I think you should pay them what you owe them, which is three grand. okay, you got the three grand. yep, my deal, very cool.
does that tell you what you need to know? yes, perfect, thank you, cool, thank you so.
they're hoping a few people in this giant pile will pay that eight or ten.
grand to make this whole operation work. no, they, they never get it. 99% of the accounts aren't collectible. that's why they're worth nothing. because I mean, what are you?
what are the chances of collecting on something from 2010, 13 years ago, 13 years ago, if you can even find the guy, I mean they're just saying glory, hallelujah, that they even found it right, had trouble making the calls we couldn't. even old cell phone numbers, bad numbers. we had a with. you know, we had a what, I bet you, one out of one out of eight was probably bad, or two out of eight with the information we had, with the accounts we bought were bad which.
tells you they had bad information when they bought it. well, yeah, because it's.
old. I mean how many people got the same cell phone number 13 years later? you know, and or whatever, the same address. and you know you don't send a change of address to people you owe money to if you're on the run, you know. so it doesn't happen that way.
so it's an interesting world, but it's a very high and all high number low performance world, and if you'll keep that in mind when you're dealing with them, it's not personal, it's just a transaction for them. this is the Ramsey show.
George Camel Ramsey personality is my co-host today. open phones this hour. triple-8 825-5225 in the lobby of Ramsey. solutions on the debt-free stage. Jason and Jody are with us.
hey guys, how are you good? how are you, Dave, better than we deserve? where do you guys live? Jacksonville Florida. oh, welcome to Nashville.
good to have you all right, and how much debt have you guys paid?
off a total of 365,000. Wow, how long did this take, about seven years and ten.
months all right and your range of income during that seven years and ten.
months. so we started out at about 80, a little under 80, and we're now about a hundred and seventy five. excellent, what do you guys do for a living? so I am a.
wireless communications engineer and I do. adoptions from foster care excellent, Wow, very cool, okay, 365,000 was what kind of debt? so 86,000 was consumer and the.
rest of it was actually the house. you paid off your house looking at weird.
people. way to go. you guys, what's this house worth? so right now it's close to about 400. way to go.
very cool, and how much do you guys have in your retirement accounts? probably about a hundred and sixty between the two of us. way to go. you're heading towards millionaire halfway there. way to go.
congratulations. how's it feel to have your house paid off? wonderful, it's amazing. it's just. there's so much you can do now.
we can do now without a payment. amen, amen. so what started you on this journey seven years and ten months ago? it actually started earlier than that. my sister she's seven years older than me and I.
I just graduated college and was unemployed, looking for a job, and I was babysitting her twin twin boys. my nephews and she had your book on on her coffee table wasn't using it, so I read it and I thought well, I mean I don't have any money coming in. so I of course made every excuse and put it back down, and then we had our first son and both of us were kind of like we need to do something to change this, and a couple of my friends at work were also doing, or we're doing, Financial Peace University at their church, and so that's how we got connected. okay, so you went to Financial Peace. we didn't actually go through.
I just listened to your podcast all the way through. still listen to it. when we were in here, it was the Baker Street was playing and my son. is that why we're here? this is why we listen to this every day.
he's been hearing that since before he was born like it. very cool, alright. so, Jason, how'd she get you?
fired up about this. you know, I kind of just followed along and I saw things. you know snowballing, and this is this is really working. I I think I'll jump on board to. yeah, engineer mindset, you're like alright, this is a process.
it works. I'm on board. yes, I have to have to see facts. yeah, absolutely, I don't blame you.
me too. well done, you guys. well done, that's a long slog, but you got the house and everything done. seven years, that's about the average people paying off.
their house in about seven years. yeah, did you pre decide you're gonna pass the house at the end of the consumer debt? what made you just keep going? we did I.
mean it was. we just didn't like being in debt, and once you saw those numbers go down, it's like we can do the rest of it. no problem, yeah, we reach over and knock it out. yeah, fun, because you're definitely not normal anymore, I love it. so when someone says how'd you get out of debt, how'd you pay off your house at this young age, what do you tell them?
well, you know, you tell them what.
everybody says that you know you have to be on the same page, you have to support everybody. but what really set it, really got it going for us, was that when I got that new job, we continued to live off of the original salaries that we were making. but that extra money all went to debt. and I tell you, it really got that snowball going really fast for us. yeah, the one lesson you make avoid lifestyle creep.
that's what they call it. you get a raise and you just spend it. you don't know where it went, but you guys went. no, we're gonna keep living on less, so we have more margin to pay off this debt. that's it we also.
I had my.
grandparents lived in Central Florida for 60 years in the same house, without any central air conditioning. whoa and I always reminded myself and Jason when we were going through things and we're trying to figure out if we should buy this or not. it was always thinking, deciphering want versus need. and so if my grandparents, at 80 years old, can stay in a house with no central air and eating in Florida, in Florida, yeah, we can. we can live without the air conditioning in our car right now.
Wow, and then you get there and now you can do anything you want to do. yep, so what's your first big thing to do now that you don't know us? think and dime in the world to anybody? well, we did a Disney trip with one of our close friends and her girls, and that was exciting and expensive. yes, it is Disney's proud of their services, and then he'd be in here.
we took our plate first flight as a family of five, which was a big deal. yeah, it is. yeah. so probably a good little Southwest jump from Jacksonville to Nashville. you got it.
yeah, I've done that one myself a time or two, excellent they.
went from Disneyland to Ramsey. solutions which one's better and yeah, I don't know which one's cheaper. kids can't decide yeah, this one's free, yeah, we're not.
gonna charge you for the ride. I'm just saying you know, and the cookies are free. so it's quite the opposite. it's a Disney inverse relationship. oh my gosh way to go.
you guys so proud of you, congratulations. who was cheering you on from the outside? so we had friends, and my mom, his parents, my sister, my really good friend Robin Staley, and her late husband, Tim, were big fans and went through this journey with us. yeah, way to go, very cool, you guys. congratulations.
very cool. we've got a copy of the baby steps millionaires book for you, the total money makeover book and financial peace membership for you to either go through it now or give it to somebody now that you're here. baby steps, millionaires, definitely your next step in your situation. you're on your way. that's called the live and give bundle, live and give box, and so we'll give that to you at the break here and let's bring the guys up and introduce them hot with.
their names and ages. so we got. we got Vincent, we got Victor and we got Henry at three, almost six and nine. all right, ready to go? ready to go?
look at those good guys. I'm matching blue polos. yeah, I didn't have anything to do with that by.
the way. well, their family tree has been changed, their lives have been changed and they don't even completely understand what you two have done for them, but you're in really really good shape. congratulations. well done, Jason and Jody. Henry, Victor and Vincent, Jacksonville, Florida, 365 house and everything paid off.
seven years and ten months make an 80 to 175, count it down.
let's hear a debt-free scream. ready, guys, three, two, one.
well done, you guys. that's what it's about just steadily plowing through right there. now a whole nother life completely changed. so, George, that means that we've now done 53 debt-free screams this year. Wow, since the beginning of the year, for a total of just under 10 million dollars in debt paid off total.
that's pretty incredible. so all kinds of backgrounds, all kinds of incomes, all kinds of family situations, everybody's doing it, and you've done this for 30.
years now and the best part is that's encouraging to me is that anyone, at any point, can just decide. I mean that's just a. it's like a magic trick. you can just wake up and go. I don't want to live with three hundred sixty thousand dollars worth of debt anymore.
I want things to be different and then you just slowly but surely follow a proven process and pay it off. yep, you get after it there's.
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for having me on sure what's up. so basically, I have the ability to totally pay off my home right now, but I am getting married in July and my my fiance she's in medical school and by the time her student loans are due she's gonna have around 300,000 in student loans to pay off. and I was just trying to get some advice on how I could potentially what I should do with with my house right now, because I have that three-year buffer until any payments are due to help my fiance. so she's got three years of school left. yeah, how she pays for that I'll, just so I'll be helping her.
she's, she's just taking straight loans. I'm saying after you're married, what is your income? okay, so right now I have a fairly volatile income, but my salary is is 110, and how much do you have in savings? I have 275 thousand savings right now. okay, what's it take for her to finish school after July?
how much? yes, the grand total for her to.
finish up is going to be 300,000, the total of our whole schooling. but she's already started, hasn't she? yes, okay, how much does it take from this point forward to finish?
so she's already so. so it'll be. that's going to be the entire total, so I'm not. I'm not exactly sure what she's taking out so far. that'd be good information to.
get, since you're marrying her. yeah, what's left on your mortgage? so I have.
one. I know that, but it's gonna be 300,000. whenever, whenever it's all said.
and done, but it's not all said and done yet. okay, so she's already been in school.
what a year she's been. she's been in school. she's finishing her second year.
okay and she's got three more to go. yes, if we call 300 into five, that'd be 60,000 a year, if we're guessing right.
no, so it's. it's gonna be 300 total. I got that whenever she's okay.
but my point is what here's what I'm trying to lead towards and you don't have the numbers and you're trying to box me into some kind of corner, or you just truly don't know. so the deal is this what I want you guys to do is I want you to pay cash from this point forward with your money after, from July forward, after you're married. I don't want her to take out any more loans. I want to use your 275 for her to finish school. no more loans.
and my guess is she probably has between 50 and 100 right now. that's my guess, okay, and so she probably needs another 200 or so to get through school. but let's budget and set aside of your cash what it takes for her to finish med school. that's most important, because the first step to getting out of debt is not going further in. right.
okay, do no more harm, similar to her Hippocratic Oath she'll take later. right, do no more harm, okay. so we're gonna. just we're gonna cash flow now, whatever cash you have, above what it takes for her to finish from today forward. then we're gonna start talking about paying off her student loans.
then, once those are gone, we're gonna work towards paying off your house. that's working. the baby steps first, borrow no more. second, begin to address the existing debts that are there. third, we have an emergency fund.
fourth, we build and we start to pay off the house. and maybe step six, that's what you've got it, but you, what you've got to ascertain, to do, that is, you've got to find out what it takes in cash from July forward for her to finish school. and that is a number less than 300, because 300 is all in correct right. okay, we got.
there. yeah, the goal is not to take any new loans when July hits and you guys are married. so cash flow the wedding cash for the honeymoon. let's come back, let's look at the pile of money. we have our incomes, our debt load and begin to.
pay it all off, yeah. and then, when she graduates and is an MD, hopefully her income will be north of 200 pretty quick. and your income. so you're gonna have a three, four hundred thousand dollar household income and you'll finish paying off the house very quickly at that point with what's going on. so you've done a great job saving money.
you're signing up for a debt ride. that's part of what goes with July. you've got a big old debt ride, but we're not going to just keep piling on the debt while we reduce the debt over on the other side on the house. that doesn't make sense at all. in a sense, that's like borrowing student loans to pay off your house.
mathematically, it's about the same thing. it's just a balance. we balance pay off 300 out 300. yeah, it's a. you know exactly.
we're gonna pay off 300 on the house, but we're gonna take out 300 over here on student loans. so that's the same as borrowing on student loans to pay off your house, which we wouldn't tell you to do that and nobody would do that on purpose either. it's just a. but that's the net result of all this trying to.
hide the pee under a shell thing when people talk about day. we took a call earlier and someone said is it fair? because it's not, it's not her fault. I went into this debt and we just walked him through this and went hey, you, you saved up hundreds of thousands of dollars and all of a sudden you get married and you go oh but I worked so hard for that I got to pay off her medical debt. how do you overcome that?
you are marrying a doctor, so there's a help. there's a there. there's a play tit-for-tat, quid pro quo here you should.
be able to get a great income out of this show as you go along. so there's an.
attitude and mindset that goes along with getting married. that's hard for people to stomach in this very independence driven world. well, we got. I worked hard for this, Dave. I shouldn't have to pay off their loans there is.
that mentality? yeah, but he wasn't saying that, he was just trying to.
figure out the best strategy. I was impressed by him because he was so quick to go. all right, I'm gonna pay off her debt. I'm gonna cash for her med school.
which is our door to a pal mouse which is wise. that's what he's asking. so it wasn't. it wasn't a tight hold on it, but that's a that. that's how we'd handle it, Daniel.
the other thing that I want everybody to be careful of and we've seen it in the last hour be careful of your language. Jesus said out of the abundance of the heart your mouth speaks. so I was forced to. I'm trapped, I'm. I can't do this in our area.
you can't do this, and all of these absolutism type statements and verbiages indicate a victim mentality, indicate you're stuck and you're not stuck. and when Daniel kept saying all in all, in all in, it's like. it presupposes that debt is the only way to do this, and it's not presupposed because you called the place where we don't do it. we presuppose quite the opposite, and so don't presuppose all in. we're not doing all in, we're not going.
that. that's not the plan we're on anymore. just change. she's marrying you and you got money. there you go.
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to the Ramsey show. hi, oh my gosh. I'm so excited to talk to you guys, you too, what's up? so I have a situation that feels complicated to me, but likely not to you guys, which is why I'm calling. I am the sole provider for my family and employed as a therapist, a mental health therapist in private practice, and I make good money over $200,000 a year.
and yeah, over 10 years it's been. it's been amazing, but I'm paid pretty irregularly, mostly by insurance companies, and I usually know by, like Sunday evening, kind of what my deposits are gonna look like, but they tend to be slightly different each week. and then I also get kind of random payments, like you know, copayments from patients or just kind of paper checks. I just I'm not. I don't have like.
it's sort of predictable, but like also, not pretty long you've been doing this. how long have I been doing this?
over 10 years actually, so over the over the course of a year, it's very predictable. over the course of six months, it's fairly predictable over the course of one week. it's not correct, okay, so give us some. what's your question?
so I'm, we're struggling to budget as far as the kind of grocery shopping weekly versus monthly, like just kind of really trying to understand our money better. we've kind of banked on like we just make good money and so we money just sort of disappears. and I'm trying to do better. we're trying, my husband are trying to better. but one caveat question.
I want to throw him under the bus. he also refuses to drop the coffee stand and wants to keep it in the budget and I want to mix it from the budget. so I want you guys to give me some. I mean buying a.
cup of coffee at a coffee stand. this is not your problem. you need to lose that battle and win the war. he needs a budget line item. he gets his coffee and we get a budget together that we both work on.
that accomplishes our overall goals. coffee is not keeping you from doing that. I agree. all right, that one's under the bus. he, you lose.
he wins next. all right, George, how do we do an?
irregular income. so the simplest way to look at this is look at what a low month would be for you guys. we know it's not going to be zero, right. so what would be?
a low month. a low month would be 12,000. okay. so we start there. we'll input that.
in the budget and when more money comes in, we'll just add that income into the budget. on the income side got me yeah. then on the expense side we're gonna do it a little differently because it's irregular. we're gonna make a prioritized spending plan. so let's have our four walls.
we got to cover the bills. you know, the rent, the mortgage, all of that stuff, food, food on the table you.
should have a food budget that is fixed, that easily fits within $12,000, and it should not have to change based on the irregularity of the income. other things will change based on the irregularity, but not food. okay, because it's first now.
are you at risk of running out of money, even while in that bad month of $12,000, or are you just trying to go? hey, we should be saving more with all of our.
expenses. well, no, we're not at risk of running out of money. I just don't feel like we're throwing enough at our snowballs. we have perfect. yeah, we're not at risk of running out of money.
as far as our our needs go, I just feel like it. every after that it sort of just disappears, gotcha, and but it's not.
disappearing into the coffee stand. there's other places on other money.
leaks. well, it's what she's saying, I think, and I don't put words in your mouth. this is disappearing into the disorganization and the chaos, and I want to get a handle on this so I can feel like I'm doing a good job.
correct. like it's like one week all I'll pay the Comcast bill and then the next week I'll pay, you know, a different bill, and I just don't feel like I'm organized enough. and so I feel like you know I want to have a better understanding, and I was thinking similarly what you were saying. if I just created an idea of budget and then whatever kind of comes extra, I could.
even just throw out our snowball. if you can live on the 12,000 without touching it and you get to everything you need to do. you could run a budget on 12,000 and every extra dollar above that goes to your debt snowball. that's an easy fix. okay, if you need 13,000 to live, but 12 is your low, then you've got to add a thousand to those last few things before you start the debt snowball.
that's what.
George is saying yeah, so, including our business expenses, we need about 9,000 to.
tell your business needs to be running separately. yeah, the business is running separately. you don't have it included. okay, the it's not. it's not running separately if it's included hello.
so here's the thing. we run a business budget and then when we bring money home from our net profits after paying the business expenses, then we work with that. so your business expenses run what.
my business expenses are monthly is only $2,300. okay, all right, so you actually.
have a low of 9,700. yes, because you're not bringing home that 2,300, correct? okay? so you know. so so that, based on what we're doing, I need to have, you need to have that separated out and keep it set completely separate.
run a separate set of books, separate checking account, separate everything for the business we.
actually give ourselves a weekly paycheck. we give ourselves, but that.
doesn't matter. you got it, you got, and then you need to cash out the rest of the profits beyond your weekly paycheck and beyond your expenses out of the business account over into the personal account. but the same principle will still work, because the same math applies. I just split it apart. so okay, so you're still okay, 9,700, I'll still do it.
if 2,300 stayed at the office, you can still do it on 9,700 and everything else to go to the debt snowball and then some. so in the 9,700, some of its going to the debt snowball. but that's just how much more we put on the debt snowball, and every every dollar premium will cause you to be able to do that. we've got a thing in there called paycheck planning that works really well for the irregular income, and you and your husband can sit down together and lay the whole thing out on the app or on the desktop, whichever you choose to do with every dollar, and it'll lay all out. and and we'll give you three months free and get you started on the every dollar premium.
okay, awesome, cool, thank you guys. all right, hang on, we'll have the team pick up and give you three months for every dollar premium, because that'll that'll.
do it perfectly? oh yeah, and it'll help him see where's all this money going. what did we decide we were gonna do this month? yeah, and then the only choice.
you're making is eight dollars, or whatever the flipping coffee is. it's ridiculous, but I mean eight dollars is not going to get you out of debt that aren't caught, but but you are going to start looking at everything, including.
the coffee, you'll see how much money you're wasting. how much more can we?
throw? how far are we going to cut our lifestyle versus the debt we have, versus the $200,000 well, not really $175,000 income that we have? this is the Ramsey show.
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George Camel Ramsey personality is my co-host today. April is in Idaho Falls, Idaho. hi, April, how are you? hi Dave? hey, what's up so we actually live in.
beautiful Salmon, Idaho. it's a remote vacation destination. my husband and I have been remotely working for the last two years. we have 1.4 million million in cash. we owe 360,000 on our house.
my question is we're officially debt-free? if we pay that house off, our jobs are kind of going away, so we can move back to a city, get stable jobs. I run a business in Boise, Idaho, and that business kind of needs my help. or else it's gonna. it's gonna.
I'm gonna have to half of the year full year. my husband can't get his really good job back, or we could buy a second home somewhere else and kind of do the snowbird lifestyle. my question is that we have seven children ages 19 to 6, and we did skip baby step number five. so how important is it that we keep our income higher, be more stable, support them through college, or do we kind of go for the dreamy the dreams, I guess and try to work on careers that we love, in places we love to live and the kids fend for themselves, kind of just turn them loose. well, I mean I don't know.
part of our idea is going to Florida half a year working there. my husband's a nurse. he can travel nurse. I can start another side gig. or do you mind?
half the year when we live in Idaho, they can go to school there. we can support them, I guess, with housing, but not as much with money. what's your current house worth?
with the mortgage on it 700,000, okay, and you owe about half of that. you could pay it off today. you're thinking about selling this and moving for work. no, we.
would like, we would pay this. my number one option is to pay this house off, enhance it so it's more rentable, because we can add things to it, because it's a destination in the wilderness, and so we can add some more rental options to it, make money off of it while we're not here and then we could buy a second home for cash and, like Florida or Arizona, somewhere warm. my husband can make pretty good money in nursing, travel, nursing, and then I would probably get a seasonal side gig in the winter and then in the summer I would run my business in Boise half of the year, but it's kind of messy that way. that's kind of what I.
want to ask is that sounds like? that sounds like empty nesters. that doesn't.
sound like seven kids. yeah, I know we would probably net 200,000 a year if we did the snowbird kind of lifestyle with our kids and we would probably net 400,000 if we went back to the city and kept things stable. could you do the 400,000?
option until we get college taken care of and kind of get our financial.
situation in order. how old is the youngest six? no, like a 10-year plan.
we're going to graduate four kids in five years. I don't think there's a wrong.
answer. unless it, unless you call me up later and say the children were forced to get student loans because they're not forced to do that. no, they're not. and
they I mean our oldest kids did a lot of dual credit, so they have two years done of school. our younger kids are already working on dual credit. my youngest probably will go first dollars and you cash flow their school with.
their help and can they, with your help, cash flow their school if you do your?
snowbird option. we just make less that way the other way would be. I know you.
make less. I said, can they get through college without debt if you do the snowboard option or bird option? I think so I do. I don't want to just dream this. I want to lay it out on paper.
kid, kid number one's gonna need X, kid number two is gonna need. why kid number three is gonna need to see. kid number four is gonna need a kid number five gonna need. be we lay out the money, we look at it and the kids gonna do this. they're gonna get the credits, they're gonna go, they're gonna work, they're gonna go to this school, it's gonna cost what.
it's gonna cost a certain amount of money and here's how much we have and we're gonna tear into this million dollars in order to do this with their, in order to supplement what they can't cover so they don't have student loans and what you can't cash flow. cuz, you did the snowbird option. if you can pull all that off, I'm fine with it, and you're gonna haul them back and forth from Florida to Boise, right, okay, as long as you want to do all that, I'm good with it. but it kind of sounds like your snowbird thing is like as if you didn't have children or something. I know I mean cuz cuz, when I said haul them back and forth you, and.
did you hear yourself? yeah, I mean the ones that live with us would have to go back and forth, the ones that are launching. which two of them are? you know they can? just I don't.
we only got five to haul. yeah, how old are you two? 46 and.
47. I'll give you a medium plan halfway between. probably doesn't work, though that might work. I mean you could go to the 400 for three years mm-hmm and that would launch the vast majority of the kiddos and then the snowbird wouldn't involve hauling as many children on its back right. that's what I was thinking.
maybe we just need a little more time. I'd be unstable. yeah, I mean you can do.
either one. but part of the downside for me, on your plan, is hauling a whole truck load of kids back and forth twice a year, because you're upsetting teenagers, social networks and family and everything else you're resetting. I mean Sharon and I, it's just us. we can run back and forth and stay wherever, and I mean we don't. nobody cares, particularly except grandkids griping about Mimi not being around.
but other than that, I mean there's no, we're not hauling people around, it's just me and her. we can go with a backpack and go. but you guys, you got a lot of stuff. you're moving around, a lot of human beings you're moving around there. so it's just however you want to do it.
but mathematically, be sure, whatever plan you're gonna do, that you map it all the way out. begin with the end in mind, as Stephen Covey said, and that's where I was thinking if she could.
use the 400,000 income, and quickly. you know, front load a bunch of 529 for the young kids cash flow, the older ones that can get him in a good spot. yeah, do that.
for two or three years, not forever, not necessarily till the six-year-old leaves.
and the snowbird plan becomes maybe a five, seven, you're not even up, maybe a.
three or four I mean you could do it for three or four should have already got a million bucks clear, plus a house clear. so you know approaching a two million dollar net worth already. so well done, by the way, on that, April, awesome, well done. so I just want you to be really intentional and thoughtful and just map this out, the whole thing out like it was a business plan, and you know you're estimating your cash needs and your cash sources and my cash sources, my income, my needs or tuition and travel and whatever else we're doing here. and do we do that on 200 and deplete the million, or do we do that on 400 for three years and then we'd never touch the million?
probably you know something like that somewhere in. there is your answer. but just run it. run it accountants would call it a sources and uses. okay, what's your income sources and what are your uses?
and map that out through the last kid getting through college and then let's figure out which way we're gonna go, and that'll give you an answer that feels it, that feels peaceful, but just kind of going. well, I think I might know that doesn't.
work in the next family movie night. everyone watch borrowed future as a family, because that will spark the conversations about how we're gonna go to college debt-free and that'll get a moving. but I don't like the option of they all just figured out and get, go, get student loans. yeah, we can do better than.
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how are you well? how are you better than I deserve? welcome, where do?
you guys live, so we're from Tulsa, Oklahoma. oh fun, welcome to Nashville. how much debt did you pay? so we paid off about a hundred and eighty two thousand.
good for you. how long did that take? too long, but about eight years. okay, good, and.
what was your range of income during that time? so we started about 70,000, 70, 75 and then up to about 125. cool, what do you all do for a living? so I'm a mechanic at a Lexus dealer in Tulsa, mm-hmm. after I graduated college, I ended.
up and the nonprofit field for about seven and a half years, but now I'm a stay-at-home dog mom, I have a network marketing business and I'm a part-time.
barista okay, good for you, cool, all right, what kind of debt was the 182?
thousand. so it was student loan for her and then our mortgage. I paid off your.
house. look at it, weird people. I love it. so what is this house worth in Tulsa?
it's worth about 280 now. way to go, guys, nice house. we're seeing it on YouTube.
here. nice picture, yeah, and it's all yours. how old are you two weirdos? so I'm 33. I just turned 32 last and you have a paid-for house.
yes, do you know anyone? that's 33 with a paid-for house other than George? yeah, he was a huge.
inspiration. for us that means the world. well, I'm amazed that this trend keeps happening. I think we're seeing it more and more a lot of 20s, 30s, late 20s, early.
30s coming in here with a paid-off house. do you know I mean any of your friend group got a paid-for house? I don't think so. yeah, they'd be talking about it if.
they did. yeah, where did this idea even come from? how'd you guys get started on?
this Ramsey way eight years ago? yeah, yeah, good question. so right after I graduated, college is when we got married and we actually got a Financial Peace University membership as a wedding gift, and so I'd love to give a shout out to Tracy, a family friend who gifted that to us, and that changed everything for our family. so we took it about three months after we got married and I remember sitting there the second or third week and and I was like we have to teach this, like we people need to know about this, and so we went through the class and we kind of did things a little, a little out of order. we actually like bought our home during the class, but it turns out we did it right.
we put 20% down. it's a 15-year loan, all of that. so all of that was right. but then we, you know, ventured on the the student loan, and we got that done. it was 38,000 and we got that done in 22 months.
good, so we knocked that out pretty quickly and so and right after that class was over, we started teaching. so we've coordinated nearly 15.
classes now. oh, thank you, super coordinators. yeah, you gotta follow the.
stuff. at that point I'm looking at you. have you led one since, paying off the?
house. we had one this summer, so we got to celebrate with them, and then we'll have another one in January. so really kept us accountable, you know, working with each of the classes and sharing our story and all of that. so it's like your.
personal trainer having a six-pack. good sign I'm in the right place. yes, when I'm.
in your class way to go. yes, we're excited, so we in a lot of ways, I guess a huge part of our story is. you know, we've had emergencies come up, just like anybody else. we've replaced our AC unit. I had a four-night hospital stay and we also.
Jacob is working on his bachelor's, and so we're cash flowing that, and so that's part of the reason why maybe it's taking a little bit longer and what.
are you studying Jacob, mechanical engineering? oh, very good, yeah, okay, how much longer do you have about a year? oh, wow, good for you, that's gonna be a great.
break for you. yeah, but it's been a been an almost five year process, yeah, but all part-time, yeah, exactly so. and as newlyweds, we've, we've done a lot of traveling, we've done a couple of international trips, we've been all over the United States, but all with cash, all without credit cards, and so that certainly has, you know, extended our. you know our deadline, I guess, but the goal was always to pay off our home seven years early, yeah, and that's exactly what we did. so it's a goal.
yeah, it's been really exciting, really well, once you're.
out of baby steps two and three. travel is allowed. it just slows down. you know, it slows down how much you put on baby step six. or buying a car is allowed or going to school is allowed.
it just slows down how much you put on baby step six. but you still did all of that and did the house in seven years? yes, yeah, that's.
pretty cool living proof. this stuff still works. yes, every day, yeah, and in a lot of ways to. Jacob and I are both natural givers, and so, outside of our mortgage, our giving category in our budget was actually one of the largest, and so we were kind of practicing baby step seven, even kind of before we got there. yeah, so you know the travel and the giving part of that.
you know we give to things that we're passionate about. yeah, I couldn't wait to do that. hey man.
good for you. yeah, good for you. okay, now, how's it feel when you walk through the?
backyard and you don't have any payment feels nice. it really does. I mean you don't. we don't necessarily like worried if that payment was going to be there the first of the month, but it's nice not having to like, even having to worry.
about that if y'all walk back in the backyard and stood and looked at the?
house and went that's ours, mm-hmm. yeah, front back pictures, yeah, neighbors are.
going. what are they doing? a lot of celebrating over there. good for you. what do you tell people in your class?
the secret to getting out of debt is oh man.
number one on my list is tithing. that's been just the forefront of our mind. why do you think that is man? when you live life like this, you know it's just better than open-handed. yes, yeah, it's just better than you can.
then you can dream or imagine, and so blessings have come from that. and certainly you know, since we have led 15 Financial Peace University classes, we watch the videos 15 times, and so you know just keeping up with that and having a group to walk through that with has been a really crucial part. so you know the.
accountability and the open-handedness. yeah, what about you, Jacob? I think it's a.
lot of it is not living above your means. I mean that we've, you know, not been in any kind of dire straight situation, but we've also not like saying oh, I need to go into debt for to do this, or I need to put this money towards a trip and not pay off what we need to pay off. so I think it's it's knowing what you need as opposed to just what you want. yeah, it's intention out right, yeah.
yeah, way to go, guys, I'm so proud of you. thank you. who was? uh, who was cheering?
you on everybody, everybody, yeah, a lot of my parents instilled a lot of this into into me from the get-go, so they've always been kind of that driving force for me, especially not before we got married and then since, since we've been married, they've been, you know, a constant cheerleading team. so, and then her grandma, then our friends, you know who know that we're on this journey or were on this journey. you know they've always been super supportive, and our church family, our community group, you know we were surrounded by a huge support team.
wow, that's awesome. that makes a big difference. yeah, and you guys are in your.
early 30s. you got no payments. give me something you're excited to do in the give save spend category with no payments now? yeah, for sure. yeah, I mean.
making our giving budget a little bit larger. now we're updating our home, so, like you know, updating the outdoor space and replacing windows, things like that.
adulting. yeah, adulting exactly. yes, any big trips. now you're like this is the big debt-free trip. yeah, actually, next May we're gonna go to Italy.
so we actually, at a fundraising gala prior to kovat, we won the one, a trip through a silent auction, and kovat kind of ruined that a little bit, couldn't go. well, now we are three years on from it, we're actually going to get to go on it, and even in a better financial place than we were then to go. so that's that we're gonna kind of use that as our celebratory. yeah, that's awesome, it's a.
good trip. yeah, well done, y'all, that's fun. yes well, congratulations. we're very proud of you. we've got the live and give bundle for you, because you've been doing a lot of both living in, giving, so baby steps, millionaires, book.
you'll be there very soon if you're not already. I didn't ask how much you have in retirement how.
much do you have in retirement? we probably have. hmm, I think we have probably about a hundred grand now. okay, I already said the house is worth 300.
close to it. yeah, so you're about 400 a million almost on your. you're on your way to baby steps, millionaire. right, good, yeah, we got that book for you and that's your next step. and next stop and total money makeover book, maybe to give to one of your class members and a financial peace University membership.
if you find somebody that can't go, we'll assist you and you're giving your generosity plunge that you're taking. that's awesome. so congratulations, you guys. thank you. all right, Jacob and Taylor.
Tulsa, Oklahoma, 182,000 paid off house and everything count it down. let's hear a debt-free scream Wow, excellent, excellent, this is the Ramsey show.
our scripture of the day, James 1 5. if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God who gives generously to all, without reproach, and it will be given to him. Charlie Munger says it is remarkable how much long-term advantage people like us have gotten by trying to be consistently not stupid instead of trying to be intelligent. George, that's like right up the alley of your whole YouTube show. oh absolutely, if you'll just not be stupid, you have a mark, you have a marketplace.
advantage, absolutely, and Charlie Munger rest his soul passed away recently, but, man, that advice is timeless, so I'm still using it today, just trying to help.
people avoid the stupid, those clips of him and Warren Buffett together sitting.
and talking, Larry, are fabulous. they're so brilliant and they have so much wit.
yeah, they're. just well, they're dry, they don't this? it's like two old man.
Muppets. that's what it reminds me. it's pretty funny the two guys in the.
balcony, but but with a lot of a lot more wisdom. Statler and Waldorf yeah, a lot more wisdom than a Muppet, yeah, but yeah, they're just they. just don't give that's.
classic old men. don't give a rip. I can't wait to get there. let me know how it is.
Dave, when you're there, don't care what you think. I've been there since I was a young guy. don't care what you think. it's kind of lost the need for that started it early. Max is in Boston.
hey, Max, welcome to the Ramsey show, thank you.
for having me excited to be here. just last week blew through Total Bunny makeover in just like two days and it really spoke to me and I've realized that I just I have tracked all my like spending for the last almost nine months since the beginning of March. I have absolutely no idea how to just go about like the right behaviors. like I see it and I feel like I'm not saving enough money that I need to be for my future goals. like I know I want to buy an engagement ring for my girlfriend, I know that I want to start doing those next kind of things in life, and I'm just not.
I feel like I'm behind, but I feel like I'm not in a terrible spot. I'm like how to navigate money. I guess how old are you just turned 30 in October. well, the good news is you got.
plenty of time to reroute this ship. so what is your current financial picture?
do you have much debt? I have twelve, you know, twelve hundred dollars with no interest for mattress I got a couple years ago. that's it. that's it so a.
twelve hundred bucks would get you completely debt-free. but you're living paycheck to paycheck, you're. are you making good money? what's your income, my?
income. all my gross income for this year will be ninety one thousand. Wow, but I'm still. yeah, you have anything in the bank. yeah, I got.
um, I got thirteen hundred in checking, eighty five hundred in savings, twenty nine thousand in a 401k. I was very lucky. you had a grandma who left some money behind. so I have seventy two thousand five hundred in an investment account and then three thousands in crypto, and so that's that's what I'm working with. you got plenty of money, so.
yeah, I feel the stress, the beauty. you read, the totally makeover. so let me tell you those baby steps. they work. as long as you don't think you're unique or special.
I need to mess with them. it works, and so you already have a thousand bucks. you have the money in savings to pay off the mattress today. let's get that out of your head. it's living rent free in your head right now it is.
so get that out of the picture. now we can work on a fully funded emergency fund, which you could have very quickly, making ninety one thousand. you already have a.
good start. so by the investment account, create the emergency. yeah, you already have it sitting there, so you're in. you're in baby steps. four or five and six.
if you move some money around cash in the crypto, pay off the mattress. build your emergency fund out of the money that you've got it for your fingertips. if you can't quite get there on the three to six months, use a little bit the investment money and move it in there and go that route, you know. and then you're a baby step for start investing 15% of your income into retirement. do you own a home yet?
no, I rent. okay, you thinking about buying a house, I don't.
think I'll be ready for that for a few years. I think what does ready mean?
emotionally or financially? financially why you make plenty of money? I'm not.
really saving time. I'm paying 1,900 in rent. my total, like living expenses, about 2,500. what's your take-home pay? take home, it's going to be, to read some math, about 58 718 for this year.
so you can save 3,000 bucks a month in one year.
that's 36,000. with some of the money you've got from your grandmother, you've.
got enough for a good down payment in a year. so I should use that on a down payment and not just let it ride in some of it. yeah, okay, the problem is max.
you're just doing a lot of once and they're all good things. savings great. investing is great. paying off debt is great, but when you do it with some focus intensity, like mattresses gone tomorrow, all right, next up, we got to get the emergency fund. great, we got that.
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