Your Emergency Fund Is A Force Field Between You And Life

2024-03-04 01:58:12

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Live from the headquarters of Ramsey Solutions, it's the Ramsey Show, where we help people

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build wealth, do work that they love, and create amazing relationships.

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I'm George Campbell, joined by Jade Warshaw this hour.

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The number to call is 888-825-5225.

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Don't be scared.

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You jump in, we'll talk about your life and your money.

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That's all we want to do is help you take the right next step, and maybe talk you off

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a ledge if you're about to do something stupid.

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That's always a fun call.

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That's the preventative medicine versus the emergency surgery.

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All right, let's kick it off with Maria in Denver, Colorado.

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What's going on, Maria?

3Speaker 3
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Hi, thanks for taking my call.

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I purchased a home from a meth addict, and I'm now $33,000 in debt because I had to

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do remediations on the home after I closed.

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I'm just curious how I should best pay this off and salvage my credit.

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I did receive a settlement from the owner after discovering this problem, but I still

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have probably 80K in repairs to make to the home, and so I'm just curious how I can pay

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it down and salvage my credit.

2Speaker 2
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So how much total debt do you have outside of a mortgage?

3Speaker 3
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The $33,000, I don't have any other debt outside of my mortgage.

2Speaker 2
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How many cards is that across?

3Speaker 3
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Across three cards.

1Speaker 1
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How much money are you bringing in every month?

3Speaker 3
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I'm bringing in about $4,000, no, probably $5,500.

1Speaker 1
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$5,500, and then what portion of that is your mortgage payment?

3Speaker 3
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$2,800.

1Speaker 1
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Yipes.

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All right, we got troubles, we got troubles.

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So tell me a little bit more about this, did you call it a remediation?

3Speaker 3
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Yeah, so they had to rip out the kitchen, all the doors, all the lighting, anything

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porous, anything wood.

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So I basically bought the home and then they stripped it.

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I found out two days after closing that she had a drone problem.

2Speaker 2
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Did none of this come up in the inspection?

1Speaker 1
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That's my question.

3Speaker 3
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No, yeah, none of it came up in the inspection.

1Speaker 1
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So how did it come up?

3Speaker 3
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I received a police report that I had requested two days after closing.

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I had received every other police report and they had some police activity at this property

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because I did my due diligence and I looked through it, but I didn't receive the one

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report that had the previous owner handing over the mess to the police at her home saying

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she had a problem until two days after closing.

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I don't know what happened to that one report that held it up, but every other report was

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about a dog or about...

1Speaker 1
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So she was cooking meth in the house.

3Speaker 3
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No, no, not cooking, just doing this.

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Even at that level, you still have to remediate.

1Speaker 1
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Oh my goodness.

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And you said there's still $80,000 of repairs.

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Is this related to that or this is just other repairs that you were planning on doing?

3Speaker 3
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It's related.

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They stripped the home after I purchased it, and so I couldn't really go back and take...

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I couldn't, like, undo the loan.

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Essentially, I sued her and I got...

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Thankfully, I got about $60,000 back, but still...

1Speaker 1
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So what happened to that?

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Yeah, what happened to that $60,000?

3Speaker 3
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So I have that, and that's my question is, how do I pay down?

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Like, do I pay it on one month's sum?

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Because I'm just worried that if I pay off my debt in one month's sum, it's going to

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crash my credit more.

2Speaker 2
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I would not be conservative with your credit right now.

1Speaker 1
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Me neither.

2Speaker 2
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You got bigger problems and bigger fish to fry.

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I would knock out all the credit card debt today, the rest becomes your emergency fund,

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and then we cash flow the rest of the repairs.

3Speaker 3
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Okay.

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And so just make the rest of the repairs as...

1Speaker 1
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On cash.

2Speaker 2
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As you're able to.

3Speaker 3
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And on cash?

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Yeah.

2Speaker 2
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Okay.

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But leave three to six months of expenses in there for actual emergencies, which is

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not known repairs.

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Okay.

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Because we want to avoid you going further into debt.

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I don't know why you're concerned about the credit at this point.

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You're not going to go take out more debt, are you?

3Speaker 3
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No, but it just...

1Speaker 1
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And you've got...

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Listen, you've got a home.

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You're going to make a mortgage payment every single month.

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You're going to be just fine.

2Speaker 2
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The credit score will settle itself.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah.

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And you're not planning on taking out more credit.

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So...

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No.

3Speaker 3
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Okay.

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You're right.

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You're right.

2Speaker 2
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That's the only point of having a good credit score is so you can access more debt.

3Speaker 3
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Yeah.

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Well, I do want to...

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I was planning to start buying other homes and...

2Speaker 2
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No, no, no, no.

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We're done buying homes right now.

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We need to focus on our problems today, and we can become real estate moguls down the

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line when you have a paid-for property and money in the bank to pay cash.

1Speaker 1
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Well, here's the thing, Maria.

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We're not...

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And hear us when we say we're not...

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The point of...

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We're not intentionally trying to tank your credit.

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However, George and I both know that when you set down the path of paying off debt,

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you're also simultaneously saying, not only am I paying off this debt, but I'm not going

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to borrow money in the future.

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Otherwise, what's the point of paying off debt?

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Just so you can get more and pay it off again?

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That doesn't really make sense.

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So there's kind of this assumption that if you're paying off your debt, if you're working

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this hard to do that, if you're taking this lump sum and you're being diligent in that

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way, you kind of have to think about the future and go, okay, well, if I've done all

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this work, then in the future, I'm going to pay cash.

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The same way you're going to pay cash for these other remediations that have to take

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place.

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In the same way, in the future, if you do choose to buy real estate, you'll save up

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and pay cash for it.

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Even though that sounds like a mountain load of cash, it's just good to kind of draw that

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line in the sand.

3Speaker 3
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Okay.

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Well, great.

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Then that makes my solution easy.

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Just pay down and work with the remaining cash.

2Speaker 2
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Well, I'm equally as worried, Maria, about this mortgage.

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It's 51% of your take-home pay.

1Speaker 1
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Oh, yeah.

3Speaker 3
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Well, I have two roommates.

1Speaker 1
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Okay.

3Speaker 3
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So I'm not paying it all myself.

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No.

1Speaker 1
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But...

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Go ahead, George.

2Speaker 2
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Well, I'm just...

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There's a lot going on here now with the roommate situation and making these repairs.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah.

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Are they chipping in?

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Yeah.

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I want to know, can we have some clarity?

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So you own the house.

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Are they chipping in at all for any of the repairs?

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Tell us more.

2Speaker 2
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Because you're the landlord, so it's on you legally.

1Speaker 1
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Oh, I guess that's true.

2Speaker 2
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But are you increasing the rent to help cover some of this?

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Or what's the deal there?

3Speaker 3
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No, rent is staying the same with them.

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They are helping with the repairs by helping come in and actually do the repairs.

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So their time, they're paying me with their time.

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Right.

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And that's fine.

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So that's been helpful.

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And then also, my mortgage lender offered two years free refinancing.

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I think that hopefully, if all goes well, not predicting the future, but if all goes well, I'll be able to refinance.

2Speaker 2
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So if the rates drop, they're saying, we're not going to charge you to refinance.

3Speaker 3
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Exactly.

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Okay.

1Speaker 1
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The only thing that makes me worried about this situation is when people own homes, but

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they can't afford the rent on their own, so they have roommates.

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I always like a situation where you can float the rent on your own and you can do the mortgage

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on your own.

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You don't need the roommates in order for it to not be dangerous for you.

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And I don't like the fact that this would be dangerous for you if something happened

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with the roommates.

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That's my only red flag on this.

3Speaker 3
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Well, I can definitely float the rent myself.

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So what I told you, the mortgage, I guess I should clarify, that also includes utilities,

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insurance, all of the things bundled.

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I have no car debt.

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I have no other debt.

1Speaker 1
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Okay.

3Speaker 3
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My monthly expenses include cell phone, my cell phone, and that's more or less that

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outside of food.

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Okay.

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So I can definitely float the rent on my own.

2Speaker 2
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Well, I'd focus on just knocking out this credit card debt today.

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Cut up the cards, don't look back, use the rest of the emergency fund and cash flow the

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rest of these repairs.

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Do not go into debt ever again.

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I'm sorry you're going through this.

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That's crazy.

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Goodness gracious.

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These inspectors.

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That's crazy.

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Should I just go become an inspector?

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I'm like, it looks good, guys.

1Speaker 1
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I don't understand how that was missed.

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It's crazy.

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Wow.

2Speaker 2
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All right.

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This is the Ramsey Show.

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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show.

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I'm George Campbell joined by Jade Warshaw.

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The number to call is 888-825-5225.

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Well, it's time for our long running segment, Jade.

1Speaker 1
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And by long running, you mean this is the third time?

2Speaker 2
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Third time.

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Okay.

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It's long for me, you know.

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So it's called pick a side.

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And this is where we have two people on the line and we have to help them kind of settle

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a debate.

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And you and I, at the end of it, have to pick a side after we hear them out and hear their

1Speaker 1
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case.

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I enjoy this thoroughly.

2Speaker 2
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I'd pitch Judge George for the name of this segment.

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They didn't like that.

1Speaker 1
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Judge George?

2Speaker 2
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I wanted a little gavel.

1Speaker 1
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Oh.

2Speaker 2
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Just a little baby gavel.

1Speaker 1
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Then I'm going to pitch Judge Jade.

2Speaker 2
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Oh, dang.

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That's so much cooler.

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All right.

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I give up.

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Here we go.

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Let's see what Jennifer and Joe have to say in Denver, Colorado.

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What's going on, guys?

3Speaker 3
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Hi.

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Yeah, I'm ready to buy a new car and my husband thinks I'm fine with the one that I have.

1Speaker 1
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Ooh.

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Wow.

2Speaker 2
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All right.

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Joe, what do you have to say for yourself?

3Speaker 3
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Well, I do agree that she needs a new car.

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She just wants to spend way too much on a new car.

2Speaker 2
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What does she want to spend?

3Speaker 3
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50,000.

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Okay.

1Speaker 1
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That's a lot of money.

2Speaker 2
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And that's the most you guys have ever spent on anything outside of a house, I'm guessing?

3Speaker 3
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Yes.

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Yes.

2Speaker 2
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Okay.

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Where are you guys at financially?

3Speaker 3
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We're on baby step seven.

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Yes.

2Speaker 2
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Paid for a house.

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No debt.

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Love it.

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And what's your net worth?

3Speaker 3
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It would be what our house is worth.

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Yes.

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600,000.

1Speaker 1
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Plus retirement?

3Speaker 3
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700.

2Speaker 2
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So not quite a million?

3Speaker 3
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No.

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Okay.

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Nope.

2Speaker 2
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All right.

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And what's the household income?

3Speaker 3
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150 approximately.

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So last year we did 150.

1Speaker 1
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Okay.

2Speaker 2
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And how much cash do you guys have in the bank?

3Speaker 3
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We have our emergency fund right now of 10,000.

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And I got 10,000 in my business account.

1Speaker 1
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So 10,000 and 10,000.

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If you were to buy this car, A, were you thinking of getting something brand spanking new?

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And two, how are you going to pay for it?

3Speaker 3
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I would want to save up for it.

00:11:00.86 – 00:11:01.04

Okay.

00:11:01.34 – 00:11:03.58

And I don't necessarily want something new.

00:11:04.18 – 00:11:07.26

It's just what I want just came out.

00:11:07.62 – 00:11:13.30

So I want to wait a couple of years until I can buy one a couple years old.

1Speaker 1
00:11:13.42 – 00:11:14.18

What kind of car is it?

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Can you tell us?

3Speaker 3
00:11:15.74 – 00:11:17.68

It's the Toyota Grand Highlander.

00:11:18.26 – 00:11:18.70

Highlander.

2Speaker 2
00:11:19.00 – 00:11:20.34

Where's John Delaney when we need him?

00:11:20.48 – 00:11:21.48

That's what he ended up getting.

1Speaker 1
00:11:22.04 – 00:11:23.62

I need like a picture of a Highlander.

00:11:23.84 – 00:11:25.36

I don't really know what that is.

00:11:25.42 – 00:11:26.06

I'm going to Google it.

2Speaker 2
00:11:26.86 – 00:11:27.76

They're beautiful.

00:11:28.08 – 00:11:28.88

Really great cars.

00:11:29.02 – 00:11:29.22

Okay.

00:11:29.40 – 00:11:31.40

So what is the car you're currently driving?

3Speaker 3
00:11:32.24 – 00:11:34.98

I have a 2007 Acura MDX.

00:11:35.32 – 00:11:38.14

And it's getting close to 200,000 miles on it.

2Speaker 2
00:11:38.26 – 00:11:39.42

Oh, she's just getting started.

1Speaker 1
00:11:39.52 – 00:11:40.82

That's a nice little ride though.

2Speaker 2
00:11:40.82 – 00:11:41.68

The MDX is invincible.

00:11:42.00 – 00:11:42.22

Okay.

00:11:42.64 – 00:11:43.26

Love that.

00:11:43.32 – 00:11:44.04

And what is he driving?

00:11:44.14 – 00:11:44.60

I'm curious.

3Speaker 3
00:11:45.72 – 00:11:49.20

I have a 2004 GMC pickup truck.

00:11:49.98 – 00:11:54.24

And then we also have a 2020 Transit Connect van.

00:11:54.24 – 00:11:57.56

I'm self-employed, and so I use that van for work.

2Speaker 2
00:11:57.72 – 00:11:58.04

Cool.

00:11:58.64 – 00:11:59.02

Okay.

00:11:59.42 – 00:12:00.64

Might be time for both of you to upgrade.

00:12:00.66 – 00:12:00.96

I know, right?

00:12:00.96 – 00:12:02.68

Baby step seven, living like no one else.

00:12:02.82 – 00:12:03.48

I know, that's right.

00:12:03.62 – 00:12:06.82

So I'm guessing you guys have a sizable margin in your budget now to save up.

00:12:06.86 – 00:12:10.38

How much could you throw every single month just to kind of a side savings account?

3Speaker 3
00:12:11.96 – 00:12:14.56

Oh, I think we could have it saved in six months.

2Speaker 2
00:12:14.96 – 00:12:15.36

Wow.

3Speaker 3
00:12:15.54 – 00:12:15.94

Yes.

00:12:16.54 – 00:12:16.82

Yeah.

00:12:16.96 – 00:12:17.72

That's pretty impressive.

00:12:17.74 – 00:12:18.30

That's pretty simple.

00:12:19.16 – 00:12:21.98

So, yeah, I mean, we could save $5,000, $6,000 a month.

2Speaker 2
00:12:22.18 – 00:12:22.80

That's great.

3Speaker 3
00:12:22.80 – 00:12:23.46

At all of our expenses.

2Speaker 2
00:12:23.92 – 00:12:24.02

Okay.

1Speaker 1
00:12:24.40 – 00:12:30.16

So tell us, Joe, what you would do if it were your choice.

00:12:30.22 – 00:12:34.50

Obviously, we know Jennifer wants this $50,000 Toyota Highlander, slightly used.

00:12:35.00 – 00:12:37.34

In your book, what's something a little bit more reasonable?

3Speaker 3
00:12:38.64 – 00:12:40.78

$30,000, $35,000.

00:12:41.32 – 00:12:45.42

Maybe not the Grand Highlander, but the regular Highlander.

1Speaker 1
00:12:45.50 – 00:12:46.44

That's what I'm looking at.

00:12:46.50 – 00:12:50.20

This one I'm looking at is like $30,000 2023 Highlander LE.

00:12:50.42 – 00:12:51.22

Is that not the one?

3Speaker 3
00:12:52.04 – 00:12:54.12

No, I want the Grand Highlander.

1Speaker 1
00:12:54.14 – 00:12:55.12

You want the big boy.

3Speaker 3
00:12:56.04 – 00:12:58.44

They just came out in 2024.

1Speaker 1
00:12:58.86 – 00:12:59.10

Okay.

00:12:59.20 – 00:12:59.62

Got you, got you.

2Speaker 2
00:12:59.62 – 00:13:00.30

Joe, I'm curious.

00:13:00.52 – 00:13:02.32

Where'd you get that $35,000 number from?

00:13:03.70 – 00:13:04.52

Just your heart?

3Speaker 3
00:13:05.42 – 00:13:06.74

Oh, yeah, just my heart.

2Speaker 2
00:13:06.90 – 00:13:07.18

Yeah.

3Speaker 3
00:13:07.50 – 00:13:11.50

I mean, I look on Craigslist and you can find the regular Highlanders.

1Speaker 1
00:13:11.56 – 00:13:12.08

Yeah, I see one.

3Speaker 3
00:13:12.38 – 00:13:16.22

With 30,000 miles for $30,000 or so.

1Speaker 1
00:13:16.66 – 00:13:17.74

Yeah, I see what's going on here.

00:13:17.90 – 00:13:18.20

Okay.

00:13:18.56 – 00:13:19.00

Interesting.

2Speaker 2
00:13:19.00 – 00:13:20.26

Oh, all right.

00:13:20.32 – 00:13:21.66

We have a lot of information here.

3Speaker 3
00:13:22.52 – 00:13:27.28

I feel like, you know, we've been doing Dave Ramsey's Baby Steps for a long time.

00:13:27.38 – 00:13:29.30

I feel like I've been living like nobody else.

00:13:29.96 – 00:13:31.20

We're on Baby Steps 7.

00:13:31.32 – 00:13:32.86

When do I get to live like nobody else?

1Speaker 1
00:13:32.98 – 00:13:33.84

Listen, I feel that.

00:13:34.00 – 00:13:39.20

So tell me, when was the last time you did an activity that you would call a live like no one else?

00:13:39.56 – 00:13:40.06

The latter.

2Speaker 2
00:13:41.70 – 00:13:43.18

Like at least a couple of grand.

00:13:43.30 – 00:13:43.44

Yeah.

00:13:43.44 – 00:13:44.82

Where you're like, we dropped some money on this.

3Speaker 3
00:13:46.58 – 00:13:48.22

We went to the Dominican.

00:13:48.74 – 00:13:49.06

Yeah.

00:13:49.46 – 00:13:49.70

Okay.

1Speaker 1
00:13:50.64 – 00:13:51.26

When was that?

3Speaker 3
00:13:52.60 – 00:13:53.38

Last month.

2Speaker 2
00:13:53.80 – 00:13:54.20

Nice.

00:13:54.78 – 00:13:56.06

So you guys are enjoying life.

00:13:57.08 – 00:13:57.42

Yes.

00:13:57.58 – 00:14:01.42

So we would say you've driven like no one else, now it's time to drive like no one else.

00:14:01.66 – 00:14:06.22

You've driven the hooptie Dave car, now it's time to drive the Dave car.

00:14:06.40 – 00:14:06.76

You know what I'm saying?

00:14:06.78 – 00:14:06.92

All right.

1Speaker 1
00:14:07.06 – 00:14:07.86

I've made up my mind.

00:14:07.98 – 00:14:09.72

I know how I'm going to vote.

3Speaker 3
00:14:10.48 – 00:14:15.56

I got in a car accident a couple months ago, so it zinged up on the side.

1Speaker 1
00:14:15.60 – 00:14:16.44

Man, listen.

00:14:16.66 – 00:14:17.54

You keep playing.

00:14:17.84 – 00:14:18.64

Tell us more.

2Speaker 2
00:14:19.20 – 00:14:19.68

She's like.

00:14:19.68 – 00:14:20.62

She's really playing it up.

3Speaker 3
00:14:21.20 – 00:14:23.94

All these stupid little things don't work on it anymore.

00:14:24.06 – 00:14:25.84

Like you cannot reset my clock.

00:14:25.96 – 00:14:28.06

You can't tell what time it is in there.

1Speaker 1
00:14:28.18 – 00:14:30.06

Jennifer, I call those special features.

3Speaker 3
00:14:31.30 – 00:14:32.72

My seatbelt doesn't go back.

2Speaker 2
00:14:33.30 – 00:14:34.68

Listen, I got my phone in the car.

00:14:34.74 – 00:14:35.96

I got my Apple Watch in the car.

00:14:36.02 – 00:14:37.10

I know what time it is.

00:14:37.40 – 00:14:37.96

It's fine.

00:14:38.14 – 00:14:39.08

That's not a big deal.

00:14:39.08 – 00:14:40.38

But I'm with you.

00:14:40.58 – 00:14:40.90

Okay.

00:14:41.00 – 00:14:41.58

Can I vote?

1Speaker 1
00:14:42.34 – 00:14:43.42

I know what my vote is.

00:14:43.48 – 00:14:44.38

Are we casting votes?

2Speaker 2
00:14:44.56 – 00:14:45.60

I think we're casting votes.

00:14:45.72 – 00:14:47.08

Are you guys ready to hear the verdict?

1Speaker 1
00:14:48.68 – 00:14:49.70

Let's say it on three.

2Speaker 2
00:14:50.02 – 00:14:50.32

All right.

00:14:50.70 – 00:14:52.70

The name of the person that we think is right.

1Speaker 1
00:14:53.14 – 00:14:53.54

Yes.

00:14:53.62 – 00:14:55.18

Say the name of the person you think is right on three.

00:14:55.98 – 00:14:57.76

One, two, three.

00:14:58.04 – 00:14:58.38

Jennifer.

00:14:58.80 – 00:14:59.14

Yeah!

2Speaker 2
00:14:59.66 – 00:15:00.24

Oh, my.

00:15:00.26 – 00:15:02.38

Jennifer, you just won a brand new.

00:15:02.68 – 00:15:03.24

I'm just kidding.

1Speaker 1
00:15:03.60 – 00:15:04.08

Toyota Highlander.

2Speaker 2
00:15:05.28 – 00:15:06.04

That'd be fantastic.

00:15:06.56 – 00:15:06.72

Wow.

00:15:06.72 – 00:15:08.22

A dinette set from Broil Hill.

1Speaker 1
00:15:09.22 – 00:15:09.32

What do you think?

00:15:09.44 – 00:15:10.00

Are you shocked?

3Speaker 3
00:15:11.42 – 00:15:11.76

No.

00:15:12.10 – 00:15:12.80

I'm shocked.

2Speaker 2
00:15:14.04 – 00:15:15.10

Of course, Joe is shocked.

00:15:15.12 – 00:15:16.54

Here's the thing, because I know this.

00:15:16.66 – 00:15:18.98

We bought my wife a new to us car.

00:15:19.10 – 00:15:24.58

It was a slightly used luxury car, and it hurt my soul, Joe, to write that check.

00:15:24.76 – 00:15:24.80

Yeah.

00:15:25.02 – 00:15:28.50

But I also knew this is part of living the plan.

1Speaker 1
00:15:28.56 – 00:15:29.08

It's part of the plan.

2Speaker 2
00:15:29.24 – 00:15:32.18

And I have a hard time letting go and writing a big check like that.

00:15:32.50 – 00:15:36.26

But when you pay for it in cash, you go, oh, my gosh, that was a lot.

00:15:36.32 – 00:15:38.38

And then you go, this is paid for.

00:15:38.38 – 00:15:39.30

This is amazing.

00:15:39.46 – 00:15:43.26

This is a huge blessing, and it's why we lived like this for so many years.

00:15:43.42 – 00:15:44.90

And so I think you guys are doing the right thing.

00:15:45.00 – 00:15:48.86

Just so you know the parameters here, you don't want all things with motors and wheels

00:15:48.86 – 00:15:50.74

to be more than half of your annual income.

00:15:51.60 – 00:15:52.38

So that's where I'm going.

00:15:52.44 – 00:15:53.80

All right, $150,000 is your income.

00:15:54.16 – 00:15:56.08

Everything you own should be $75,000.

1Speaker 1
00:15:56.46 – 00:15:59.66

Listen, Joe, you could turn around and get yourself a $50,000 car and be all right.

2Speaker 2
00:15:59.88 – 00:16:01.74

Now, what is the transit connect worth?

3Speaker 3
00:16:03.60 – 00:16:05.46

About $20,000, I guess.

2Speaker 2
00:16:06.26 – 00:16:06.40

Yeah.

00:16:06.40 – 00:16:09.38

So even the $20,000 plus the $50,000 for hers, that would be $70,000.

00:16:09.78 – 00:16:11.20

You still got some wiggle room there.

00:16:12.50 – 00:16:13.50

Not too much.

00:16:13.82 – 00:16:14.24

Not too much.

00:16:14.34 – 00:16:16.88

And maybe you wait three years, and you get the Highlander.

00:16:16.94 – 00:16:22.22

But I think you go for it, and two years from now, and you get a two-year-old Grand Highlander.

00:16:22.76 – 00:16:25.72

And if you can't wait that long, then just go for a normal Highlander,

00:16:25.74 – 00:16:26.76

and you can always upgrade later.

00:16:27.28 – 00:16:29.56

Nothing says you have to drive this car for the next 20 years,

00:16:29.62 – 00:16:31.02

which is kind of how you guys have been living.

3Speaker 3
00:16:32.24 – 00:16:32.60

Right.

2Speaker 2
00:16:33.94 – 00:16:36.12

I feel like Joe is really disappointed in us.

00:16:36.22 – 00:16:36.58

He was waiting.

00:16:36.76 – 00:16:38.40

No, you shouldn't spend more than $30,000.

00:16:39.72 – 00:16:43.88

But I think that will help you guys to go, okay, half of our income shouldn't be tied up in these things.

00:16:44.08 – 00:16:44.22

Yeah.

00:16:44.32 – 00:16:48.24

That means we do need to scale back because this transit plus the car Joe is going to get

00:16:48.24 – 00:16:52.20

plus the car Jennifer is going to get, it's going to add up to be a large part of our world.

00:16:52.60 – 00:16:57.12

And then once you hit millionaire status, you can go buy that brand-new car, and here's why.

00:16:57.16 – 00:16:59.10

It's not a fundamentalist thing.

00:16:59.10 – 00:17:03.02

It's just that too much of your world would be tied up in a depreciating asset.

00:17:03.20 – 00:17:07.76

But when you have a million-dollar net worth, you can stomach that hit on depreciation a little easier.

00:17:08.40 – 00:17:10.08

And so you guys will be there in no time.

00:17:10.16 – 00:17:10.80

How old are you two?

3Speaker 3
00:17:12.12 – 00:17:12.64

I'm 45.

00:17:13.22 – 00:17:14.32

And I'm 56.

2Speaker 2
00:17:14.42 – 00:17:15.18

Oh, my goodness.

00:17:15.36 – 00:17:18.96

You've got so much time to live and drive like no one else.

00:17:19.54 – 00:17:20.32

And you know what, Joe?

00:17:20.34 – 00:17:22.00

I think it should be time for you to upgrade after.

00:17:22.08 – 00:17:23.32

What is your dream car, Joe?

1Speaker 1
00:17:23.44 – 00:17:24.92

It's a $30,000 car.

00:17:24.98 – 00:17:25.62

We know that.

3Speaker 3
00:17:25.96 – 00:17:27.32

It's the one he's got.

00:17:27.32 – 00:17:29.18

I actually love my truck.

2Speaker 2
00:17:30.14 – 00:17:31.54

He wants another GMC pickup.

1Speaker 1
00:17:32.42 – 00:17:34.60

No, he wants to keep the one he has.

3Speaker 3
00:17:34.76 – 00:17:35.68

I like the one I got.

2Speaker 2
00:17:36.06 – 00:17:36.78

That's amazing.

3Speaker 3
00:17:36.78 – 00:17:37.14

I'm happy with it.

00:17:37.58 – 00:17:38.64

It's got an 8-foot bed.

00:17:38.72 – 00:17:40.04

It's got the diesel, and I'm good.

00:17:40.22 – 00:17:40.84

Thank you, Joe.

2Speaker 2
00:17:40.84 – 00:17:42.48

They don't make those 8-foot beds anymore.

00:17:42.64 – 00:17:45.80

All these new pavement princesses out here got the tiniest little beds.

00:17:45.88 – 00:17:47.58

I'm like, what are we even buying pickup trucks for anymore?

1Speaker 1
00:17:47.92 – 00:17:49.68

So then, Joe, real quick, tell us.

00:17:49.70 – 00:17:53.26

If you could spend $30,000 on anything, not a vehicle, what is your thing?

00:17:53.58 – 00:17:55.18

Like, what's your live like no one else thing?

3Speaker 3
00:17:56.22 – 00:17:57.38

I would do a boat.

1Speaker 1
00:17:58.00 – 00:17:58.62

Hey, okay.

00:17:58.86 – 00:17:59.22

There we go.

00:17:59.22 – 00:18:00.08

Now we got it.

2Speaker 2
00:18:01.10 – 00:18:02.00

Joe's in the boat.

00:18:02.38 – 00:18:05.08

Thank you guys so much for the call and for letting us have some fun.

00:18:05.52 – 00:18:11.94

Excited for you guys to make that cash purchase of that beautiful new-to-you car very, very soon.

00:18:12.34 – 00:18:13.48

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