Julian Assange Extradition Hearing, Egypt Buffer Zone, Louisiana Special Session

2024-02-20 00:13:46

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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is in a London courtroom today, he's trying to stop his extradition

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to the United States.

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Yeah, in the U.S. he'd face spying charges and could end up in prison for decades.

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What are his chances?

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I'm A. Martinez, that's Leila Fadl, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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A planned Israeli invasion of the southern city of Rafah in Gaza may force Palestinians

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into Egypt despite its objections.

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So how is Egypt preparing on the other side of that border, and what will it mean for

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the more than one million Palestinians in Rafah displaced by Israel's war against

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Hamas?

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And Louisiana's legislature is in a special session that threatens to undo some of the

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state's recent criminal justice reforms.

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Lawmakers will consider over two dozen bills, including a bill that would make state executions

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London's High Court begins weighing Julian Assange's fate today.

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The two-day hearing will determine whether the WikiLeaks founder will be extradited to

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the U.S. to face spying charges.

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This case goes back to the 2010 publication of hundreds of thousands of classified U.S.

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government documents related to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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NPR's Lauren Freyer is at our bureau in London and joins us now.

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Good morning, Lauren.

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Good morning, Laila.

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So, bring us up to speed on Julian Assange.

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I mean, I have this image of him on a balcony of the Ecuadorian embassy in London where

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he was taking refuge for years.

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Where is he now?

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He was there.

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Now, he's in a high-security prison here in London, Belmarsh Prison, and he's been there

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for the past five years.

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Before that, he was, if your memory serves you correctly, in the Ecuadorian embassy in

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London.

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Here's a recap.

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In 2010, Assange was arrested here in London at the behest of Sweden, where two women had

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accused him of rape and sexual assault.

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He jumped bail in that case, took refuge in that Ecuadorian embassy.

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After seven years, the Ecuadorians evicted him, and he was arrested by the U.K. for breaching

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that bail.

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Now, the Swedish charges have since been dropped, but in the meantime, the U.S. has charged

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him with 17 counts of espionage and one count of computer misuse.

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Whew.

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Lots of twists and turns there.

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I mean, OK.

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So, this goes back to Chelsea Manning and her leak of U.S. military files during the

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Iraq War, right?

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Exactly.

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So, Chelsea Manning was a U.S. Army intelligence analyst in Baghdad.

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In early 2010, she leaked hundreds of thousands of secret files to WikiLeaks, which shared

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them with media organizations and published them.

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And this was one of the biggest security breaches in the U.S. military ever.

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It included this now-infamous, then-classified video of a 2007 U.S. helicopter attack that

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killed about a dozen people in Baghdad, including two Reuters journalists.

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Yeah, of course.

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I remember that video really well.

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It became an important story for the public to know.

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You and I were both based in Baghdad at the time.

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Chelsea Manning went to prison, and her sentence was commuted by then-President Obama.

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But the case against Assange still remains.

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It does.

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And it actually could have implications for media, like you and me.

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Essentially, Assange's lawyers say he is a publisher.

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Reporters without borders and other press freedom groups say this case sets a dangerous

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precedent for journalists to be charged with espionage for work that they do that's in

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the public interest.

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Now, Assange's lawyers also say they're concerned about his health.

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Last week, I interviewed Assange's wife, Stella Assange.

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She is a lawyer whom he married in 2022 while in prison, and they have two children together.

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Here's what she had to say.

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Well, it's impossible to describe what we've been through and Julian's life is at stake

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in a bogus case that criminalizes journalism.

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She says her husband is at risk of suicide, and he is obsessed with this idea that the

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CIA wants to kill him, so he doesn't want to be transferred to the U.S.

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So let's talk about exactly what the U.K. court will decide today, or in the next couple

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days.

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Yeah, there are two U.K. judges who are deciding whether Assange can appeal an extradition

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order that has already been signed by the U.K. government.

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So the U.K. is not weighing whether Assange is a journalist.

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They're only weighing whether he can be extradited safely.

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The question of guilt or the validity of his defense will be decided at a U.S. trial if

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that happens.

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So after two days of arguments today and tomorrow, the judges could announce their decision tomorrow

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night.

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It could take a couple weeks.

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Assange's wife told me, though, that she's not optimistic, and she thinks he could actually

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be on a plane to the U.S. within days.

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That's NPR's Lauren Frayer in London.

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Thank you, Lauren.

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You're welcome.

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More than half of Gaza's population has sought shelter in the southern region of Rafah, across

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the border from Egypt.

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Israel is warning of an impending ground invasion in that area if hostages aren't freed by Hamas.

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And the Biden administration is warning Israel not to advance without first ensuring the

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more than one million people sheltering there have an opportunity to seek safety somewhere

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else.

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NPR's Ayah Batraoui is following all of this and joins us now from Dubai.

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Good morning, Ayah.

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Good morning, Laila.

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So let's start with Rafah.

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What's the situation there for people?

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Well, as you note, at least a million people have fled their homes and have sought shelter

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in Rafah, many of them living in makeshift tents after being pushed from their homes

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by Israeli ground operations in other areas like the north.

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And there was hope that Rafah would be a safe zone, but it's not.

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There is no safe place in Gaza for civilians and people are growing desperate.

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The number of aid trucks entering Gaza has fluctuated dramatically in recent days.

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From one day to the next, some days a hundred trucks go in, on other days just a fraction

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of that.

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And now there's growing concern about hunger, disease and hospitals collapsing.

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You know, already more than 29,000 people in Gaza, most of the women and children have

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been killed by direct violence in this war.

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According to the health ministry there, a war that began October 7th when Hamas attacked

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Israel.

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And in that attack, they took 240 hostages and 1,200 people were killed, according to

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Israeli officials.

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Yeah.

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And some of those hostages have been released and some still remain.

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Israel has carried out airstrikes on Rafah.

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What do we know about their impact?

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Israel says Hamas battalions are active in Rafah, but civilians have also suffered there.

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I mean, there are so many stories of loss and trauma.

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And here's one from Sunday.

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Around two dozen people were sheltering in a home in Rafah when an airstrike hit the

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house.

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Just five people survived.

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Now, among those killed, Leila, in that airstrike were a newlywed couple.

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They'd been engaged for about a year and decided to go ahead and tie the knot on Thursday.

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NPR's producer in Gaza, Anas Baba, spoke to the bride's father, Abdel Salam Adib, about

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his daughter, Mariam Adib.

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And here's what he said.

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He says his daughter had only been married for two days when she and her husband were

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killed and that they didn't even get a chance to experience life and see the world.

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He says, I wish I could say goodbye to her, kiss her and hug her.

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Her body's still under the rubble.

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Wow.

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It's really hard to hear the helplessness of all these families and stories like this.

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Now, of course, the Biden administration continues to back Israel's war in Gaza against Hamas,

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providing weapons and aid to Israel's military.

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But the president has also cautioned Israel against rushing into a ground invasion of

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Rafah.

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What do we know, though, about Israel's plans?

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Well, Israel's war cabinet has been vague about Rafah, just as they've been unclear

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about where this war is headed and what the future of Gaza is going to look like.

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Now, there has been a push by mediators to get a truce in place, preferably before the

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start of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which begins in about three weeks.

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But over the weekend, a member of Israel's war cabinet said that if hostages aren't freed

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by Ramadan, fighting would continue everywhere in Gaza, including in Rafah.

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Egypt has expressed real concern about the possibility that a ground invasion of Rafah

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would push Palestinians across the border into its territory.

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How's that affecting relations between Egypt and Israel?

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Relations are really tense.

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I mean, there haven't been any direct calls between Egypt's president, Israel's prime

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minister, but Egypt is still trying to get Hamas and Israel to agree to a ceasefire of

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some kind.

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Now, as a precaution, Egyptian security officials tell NPR Egypt is constructing a walled off

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security zone that could take up to 150,000 Palestinians on its side of the border in

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case people do break through and breach Egypt's border.

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Egypt is very concerned that any displacement of Palestinians into Egypt would be permanent

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and that it would drag Egypt into the war.

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NPR's Eya Batraoui in Dubai, thank you, Eya.

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Thank you, Leila.

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As in many states, people in Louisiana are worried about rising crime.

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Yeah, and the state legislature opened a special session this week to consider dozens of bills

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meant to address that.

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But the proposed measures also threaten to undo some of the state's recent criminal justice

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reforms, including a controversial proposal that would make it easier to carry out death

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sentences.

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WRKF's Molly Ryan covers the Louisiana state government and joins us now from Baton Rouge.

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Hi, Molly.

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Hi.

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So we mentioned this proposed legislation that would make state executions easier.

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What's in that bill?

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So basically, there's been a bill that's been filed that would expand the methods of execution

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in Louisiana to include electrocution and nitrogen gas hypoxia.

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Right now, only lethal injection is allowed, but it's been hard to source those drugs.

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And Louisiana hasn't executed anyone since 2010.

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There's currently around 60 people on Louisiana's death row.

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Here's the state's new Republican governor, Jeff Flandry, opening the session yesterday

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and inviting family members of murder victims to come to the Capitol.

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Capital punishment is lawful.

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And we intend to fulfill a legal duty to resume it for the justice of these families.

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But there's also a lot of opposition to this bill from lawmakers and even TV and film producers

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are talking about possibly boycotting the state as a filming location if this passes

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because they don't want to see the state resume executions.

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So you know some pretty significant opposition there.

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What other measures might come out of this special session and are there similar concerns?

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Yeah, well, there are several bills that look to limit parole eligibility and cut back on

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the reduced sentences that incarcerated individuals can earn for good behavior.

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There's also a bill that would lower the age in Louisiana at which someone can be tried

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as an adult from 18 to 17.

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And there are several bills that would increase penalties for certain crimes like carjacking

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and distributing fentanyl.

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So overall, the governor and lawmakers are looking to just get much tougher in terms

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of dealing with crime.

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And these items have all raised concerns from Democrats and Louisiana's legislative black

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caucus, which said that these bills will disproportionately affect black men.

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They also said that the bills are reactive and don't address the root issue of crime,

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so they don't think it will help anything.

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Now, Molly, Louisiana made big changes in its criminal justice system since 2016, and

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these bills would undo some of that work.

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Why go back on those policies now?

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There's a lot of angst in Louisiana about crime like there is in a lot of the country.

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And crime rates in Louisiana are relatively high compared to other places in the country,

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but have dropped in some of the state's biggest cities.

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And Louisiana's new GOP governor, Jeff Landry, he campaigned on a platform that would get

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tough on crime and promised voters on the campaign trail that he would call this session.

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So that's a big reason why we're here.

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These policies are likely to be popular with a lot of Republican voters in Louisiana.

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But as I mentioned before, others are worried that these bills won't address the root issues

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of crime like mental health and education.

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WRKF's Molly Ryan in Baton Rouge, thank you so much, Molly.

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Thank you.

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That's Up First for Tuesday, February 20th.

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